Mini Normal 2319: Flavorless Hell | Day 5

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Cele

Let's all make sure you have plenty of time for your party.

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Doctor Drew

This feels like a name I would call Alianna.

You are too easy to expose, Amaretto

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Doctor Drew

This feels like a name I would call Alianna.

You are too easy to expose, Amaretto

i will be your alianna as long as it makes you think i'm town and you'll let me pocket you

Well I am not gonna think you are town if you are voting me, Angola

[Doctor Drew]

but you're scum

i think alianna would vote for scum if she were town here

Alianna wouldn't be so sure of herself.

So maybe you are the scum!!

[Doctor Drew]

Alvarium really is off here, but I so am I.

VOTE: Gob

[Doctor Drew]

Alvarium really is off here, but I so am I.

VOTE: Gob

I am so off I can't type a proper sentence.

[Doctor Drew]

True

Join the terrible Gob wagon.

[Doctor Drew]

True

Join the terrible Gob wagon.

Hu Tao is the one who started it...

Woah, this is coming full circle.

VOTE: Hu

[Doctor Drew]

There's probably one scum in Drew/Hu Tao and I'm leaning Hu Tao

VOTE: Hu Tao

Nah it's me, I am trying to open wolf even more this game.

[Doctor Drew]

(let's see if they buy that Hu)

[Doctor Drew]

Altaria locktown

More from me tomorrow.

why though?

I feel like Dragon is a hot take sort of player

[Doctor Drew]

Altaria locktown

More from me tomorrow.

why though?

I feel like Dragon is a hot take sort of player

i mean he's right about me but i would like to see how he got there

I will ask in our PT how he got there and get back to you.

[Doctor Drew]

Altaria locktown

More from me tomorrow.

why though?

I feel like Dragon is a hot take sort of player

i mean he's right about me but i would like to see how he got there

I will ask in our PT how he got there and get back to you.

Arent you just admitting you’re mafia here?

VOTE: Doctor Drew

Yes, yes I am.

I mean I'm literally just said a few posts ago I wasn't gonna open wolf even this game even more than I normally do.

[Doctor Drew]

Oh jeez I can't type a proper sentence though lol.

[Doctor Drew]

Gob, how seriously did you really take Drew's openwolfing? Are you actually that level-0 of a thinker or do you think he's cheeky scum playing games?

Tbf, both can be true.

I think Gob can be a player to react first thinking they caught someone without giving it some real thought first.

But, the lack of follow up and how certain they were that I.....slipped or something? Does seem like a noobScum play maybe?

I added question marks since I find it hard to believe that scum* would vote me like that, but I need to hear more from Gob to say they are town.


*also that would mean Gob is bussing, also a terrible play, I am the one who

knocks

busses.

[Doctor Drew]

Like how can you hope to find scum Day 1 when everything is a crapshoot, as you say, without having a few people you trust?

I don't expect to find scum day 1

This vibes like gera from Mafia has a cop, those vibes being town.

[Doctor Drew]

Aliana replaces Galron.

well it was a good theory while it lasted drew

Am I just too drunk or am I seeing double Alianna?

[Doctor Drew]

I read page 1 and saw there was apparently another me and repped in for the lolz.
I'm trying to multitask right now so we'll see when I can read up properly.

What is your read on me and why am I scum?

[Doctor Drew]

If I had to make a readslist:

{

Aliana

}
{

Altaria

}
{

geraintm

,

ssbm_Kyouko

}
{

DragonEater70

}
{

Hu Tao

}
{

Umlaut

,

Celebloki

,

gob

,

Doctor Drew

}

Bottom 2 tiers are null. Hu Tao gets her own tier because she's more "conflicted null" than "true null."

P-edit: Interesting, which game was it? I co-modded one where he was scum but I didn't pay much attention.

Never seen you put me at the complete bottom of your reads list before(I think?)

Fooling you once has had quite the affect on you Allagash lol.

But I like it, gives me some spiciness to play with.

[Doctor Drew]

If I had to make a readslist:

{

Aliana

}
{

Altaria

}
{

geraintm

,

ssbm_Kyouko

}
{

DragonEater70

}
{

Hu Tao

}
{

Umlaut

,

Celebloki

,

gob

,

Doctor Drew

}

Bottom 2 tiers are null. Hu Tao gets her own tier because she's more "conflicted null" than "true null."

P-edit: Interesting, which game was it? I co-modded one where he was scum but I didn't pay much attention.

Never seen you put me at the complete bottom of your reads list before(I think?)

Fooling you once has had quite the affect on you Allagash lol.

But I like it, gives me some spiciness to play with.

Oh read that again and I am just null?

Boo-urns, though I guess this means this is probably typical non-committal townAndover.

[Doctor Drew]

Okay fiiiiiiiiiiiine, you can be scum.

VOTE: Doctor Drew

@Altaria - I see what you mean there. I've been looking through gob's completed games for a towngame but it's taken me quite a while to find one.

Yay!

Best Thanksgiving ever

[Doctor Drew]

Okay fiiiiiiiiiiiine, you can be scum.

VOTE: Doctor Drew

@Altaria - I see what you mean there. I've been looking through gob's completed games for a towngame but it's taken me quite a while to find one.

Man does everyone just blindly follow meta on this site?

What is a better town strategy? Looking up a players meta to understand how they play as certain alingments?

Or....

Voting players who shit post?

I will leave that on the table for discussion amongst the class

[Doctor Drew]

Briefly skimmed gob's ISO in DEFCON and it does seem better, though I don't have the context of actually looking at the interactions.

Defcon probably isn't the best meta source haha

[Doctor Drew]

Okay fiiiiiiiiiiiine, you can be scum.

VOTE: Doctor Drew

@Altaria - I see what you mean there. I've been looking through gob's completed games for a towngame but it's taken me quite a while to find one.

Man does everyone just blindly follow meta on this site?

What is a better town strategy? Looking up a players meta to understand how they play as certain alingments?

Or....

Voting players who shit post?

I will leave that on the table for discussion amongst the class

I like this post and I 110% agree with it, but somehow it makes me a little uneasy. There is no logical reason why.

Must be shading your buddy!

P-edit: Oh, why so?

Defcon was basically a meme game.

I nuked my buddy because I let Firebringer control my nuke, and almost rode that to a scum victory(Now that is some open wolfing lol)

It is so hard to get a solid read on anyone that game......was so fucking fun to play though.

[Doctor Drew]

Ah.
Unfortunately, it seems to be gob's only completed towngame that isn't from ages ago.

Good point

Nuke: Gob

[Doctor Drew]

@Aliana - on my phone so can't quote properly, but the reason for scum in Hu Tao / Drew boils down to both off them having some early interactions with other people that felt a bit stilted.
I still feel Drew is playing weird here with his constant scum claiming and the way he interacts with people feels like he's trying to be townread more than to sort them.
Hu Tao I actually don't know if she's scummy anymore, I guess her saying it was a misunderstanding is more likely to come from town.
UNVOTE: Hu Tao

Also the reason I was okay with townbinning you is because I liked your vibes, I guess

I said you like to take some hot takes.

But you really seem like you are saying things just to say things.

(Will this post get me some town cred?)

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Dragon

Lol, literally just said defcon is not a good game for a meta read on anyone.

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Dragon

Lol, literally just said defcon is not a good game for a meta read on anyone.

So you voting me for doing the same thing Aliana did while I was clearly responding to things from last page?

Wtf Drew.

No I am voting you because you are throwing out reads with no substance behind them.

[Doctor Drew]

@Aliana - on my phone so can't quote properly, but the reason for scum in Hu Tao / Drew boils down to both off them having some early interactions with other people that felt a bit stilted.
I still feel Drew is playing weird here with his constant scum claiming and the way he interacts with people feels like he's trying to be townread more than to sort them.
Hu Tao I actually don't know if she's scummy anymore, I guess her saying it was a misunderstanding is more likely to come from town.
UNVOTE: Hu Tao

Also the reason I was okay with townbinning you is because I liked your vibes, I guess

I said you like to take some hot takes.

But you really seem like you are saying things just to say things.

(Will this post get me some town cred?)

[Doctor Drew]

Altaria locktown

More from me tomorrow.

There's probably one scum in Drew/Hu Tao and I'm leaning Hu Tao

VOTE: Hu Tao

I feel fine townbinning Aliana for now

might change this later though

First two posts where just as you repped in.

Last post was just after Artichoke repped in.

You even struggled to explain why you townbinned here as well.

[Doctor Drew]

You are throwing reads out into the world, with no substance to back them up

[Doctor Drew]

Struggled to explain? I said pretty explicity that Aliana had towny vibes. Also I did like her catch up but that's not what she asked about.

From barely posting after a repp in??

[Doctor Drew]

I can tell you from experience that it's extremely easy to spot scum Alianna by tone, and this was her town tone

what does aliana's scum tone sound like?

I guess it's easier for me to describe it by how it doesn't sound:
It doesn't sound light hearted
it doesn't sound natural
It doesn't sound confident

Can you link me to a scum Aliana game?

[Doctor Drew]

I can tell you from experience that it's extremely easy to spot scum Alianna by tone, and this was her town tone

what does aliana's scum tone sound like?

I guess it's easier for me to describe it by how it doesn't sound:
It doesn't sound light hearted
it doesn't sound natural
It doesn't sound confident

Lol, when has townAliana ever sounded confident?

[Doctor Drew]

Like he's playing to an audience in a very obvious way

Yup, you are correct.

I don't actually know if this is alignment indicative though because he was also playing to an audience in Open 890 and was town (coincidentally the audience was the mod).

Nope it isn't AI

those types of posts are common from drew regardless of alignment iirc

Yup

i think they are nai at best

And Yup.

I will always joke around with Alianna, I will always be performative. I am like that with other players I enjoy playing with as well. Like I would find it weird as well if you were lock towning me for it as well.

And all this started since I was trying to guess if Altaria was an Alianna alt(not gonna use joke names for them anymore though, only will confuse myself lol).

So if anything this is all Altaria's fault and should probably be a policy lim

[Doctor Drew]

Kyoko, I admire the effort you are putting in here, but really?

The nickname thing was because I always would call Alianna by different things that start with A, and again thinking Altaria and her were the same, I rolled with it.

And you even admit 'hey it's RVS, but check this out!'. I was shit posting, plain and simple, I even came into this game with the intent of shit posting more than usual(at least early in the game). I then decided I was just going to open wolf like I was scum, mainly to amuse myself......but also to see how this would fly with others.

Also, no I wasn't trying to sort Altaria with my PT comment, I was having fun as I have said.

And now, here we are

[Doctor Drew]

Actually I'll answer my own question, the case in 304 isn't bad. Well, some of it is bad but at least I like the point about 36.

VOTE: Drew

Being a co-founder of the Whiskey Pocket, I didn't think you would betray me like this.

It is so funny how I have been the the lynchpin of this game, really fueling my ego though.

And is funny to see how it got to this from my perspective, though I feel like leaning into me open wolfing is becoming detrimental to town so I am trying to dial it back a bit.

Like I said though, is giving some interesting reads here on how people are making some very impressive olympic level mental gymnastics to call me scum lol.

[Doctor Drew]

I'm actually getting a lot of deja vu reading this game from Open 890. Except this time instead of Drew using Alianna as his mod audience, he can interact directly with her. And the vibe between DE and Drew seems similar too.

Care to share what my and Dragon's alignments were as well?

[Doctor Drew]

I'm actually getting a lot of deja vu reading this game from Open 890. Except this time instead of Drew using Alianna as his mod audience, he can interact directly with her. And the vibe between DE and Drew seems similar too.

Care to share what my and Dragon's alignments were as well?

Drew Town and DE Scum. There was a pretty big push on drew at one point and a lot of people shading drew for performing for Alianna. I guess my point for my previous post is that I am tending more towards TRing Drew from how this game is going.

Sorry I was being a bit too snarky there lol, just was piggy backing on your read that this day is kinda going similar as D1 there as well.

I don't have Aisa here to soul read me though......then make a 180 at the last minute lol.

[Doctor Drew]

i would be down with an umlaut wagon btw. i think i want to lim within dragon and umlaut today

Still down to vote Umlaut?

Personally I will would prefer Dragon.

[Doctor Drew]

I am pretty nai on Umlaut. Dragoneater I feel over explains themselves too much. Which is a sign of mafia.

ACTUALLY WITH THIS SAID

UNVOTE: Dragoneater[/unote]

We should actually keep Dragon Eater alive and instead vote someone else. DragonEater can be shot at night or something.
But generally it's bad practice to vote off the obv-wolf Day 1, since it makes the other ones harder to catch.

Are you literally saying that voting scum on D1 is a bad town strat??

[Doctor Drew]

@Kyouko

Also interested in your read on Dragon, looking through your ISO I see some commentary on other people's votes there but not much on Dragon himself.

As for Dragon, nothing has pinged me so far and he is one of the more active posters (but it's not shitposting). I think he is probably town simply because he has been active and engaged, and if he is scum it is difficult to maintain that level of activity and engagement without getting caught.

I haven't looked into why people are voting for Dragon yet, as I've been more focused on Drew, but I know nobody has posted anything about Dragon that was persuasive enough to catch my eye while I have been playing from my phone.

Well thanks for the subtle shade on me.

Why is someone town because they are active and engaged, and why is someone not town for shit posting?

[Doctor Drew]

I am pretty nai on Umlaut. Dragoneater I feel over explains themselves too much. Which is a sign of mafia.

ACTUALLY WITH THIS SAID

UNVOTE: Dragoneater[/unote]

We should actually keep Dragon Eater alive and instead vote someone else. DragonEater can be shot at night or something.
But generally it's bad practice to vote off the obv-wolf Day 1, since it makes the other ones harder to catch.

Are you literally saying that voting scum on D1 is a bad town strat??

It depends on the setup, generally. The idea is that if you keep obv!maf alive to spew the other and anti-spew others.

I will disagree with this 100 times out of 100.

[Doctor Drew]

This is me saying I am declaring intent.

Cheers.

[Doctor Drew]

How do we go from signalling Gob to claim, to flash wagon in Hu?

This seems off.

[Doctor Drew]

How do we go from signalling Gob to claim, to flash wagon in Hu?

This seems off.

i think the speed and nature of the gob wagon is what feels off here. i think it's more likely there is scum pushing gob than gob being scum

As opposed to the speed and nature of the wagon on Hu??

[Doctor Drew]

How do we go from signalling Gob to claim, to flash wagon in Hu?

This seems off.

i think the speed and nature of the gob wagon is what feels off here. i think it's more likely there is scum pushing gob than gob being scum

As opposed to the speed and nature of the wagon on Hu??

???

there's two votes on hu tao and both of them have reasons behind them

....that happened just as gob was about to be limmed.

[Doctor Drew]

How do we go from signalling Gob to claim, to flash wagon in Hu?

This seems off.

i think the speed and nature of the gob wagon is what feels off here. i think it's more likely there is scum pushing gob than gob being scum

As opposed to the speed and nature of the wagon on Hu??

???

there's two votes on hu tao and both of them have reasons behind them

....that happened just as gob was about to be limmed.

why are you so sure gob is scum here?

Why are you so adamant they aren't?

And the issue with voting Hu isn't a content issue I have......just the timing to finally push her happened just as Gob was basically about to be limmed.

Do you understand my issue with you?

[Doctor Drew]

How do we go from signalling Gob to claim, to flash wagon in Hu?

This seems off.

i think the speed and nature of the gob wagon is what feels off here. i think it's more likely there is scum pushing gob than gob being scum

As opposed to the speed and nature of the wagon on Hu??

???

there's two votes on hu tao and both of them have reasons behind them

....that happened just as gob was about to be limmed.

why are you so sure gob is scum here?

Why are you so adamant they aren't?

And the issue with voting Hu isn't a content issue I have......just the timing to finally push her happened just as Gob was basically about to be limmed.

Do you understand my issue with you?

This is certainly a Drew post.

How is that a Drew post? You don't agree that the timing is odd?

drew my issue with you is you haven't really said much about or interacted with gob at all and suddenly you're fine hammering him because what...he thinks voting scum D1 is a bad idea? yes that's a pretty crappy opinion but how does that make him scum? i could maybe see if you thought he was scum with dragon but dragon claimed JK so i doubt that's how you feel

Well that is false that I didn't interact with Gob when I literally did as they protected Dragon.

And do you buy Dragons claim at face value? I don't, but can worry about that tomorrow.

What we can do is lim the person who bent over backwards trying to protect, who they even admit is scummy, with shoddy logic at best.

Or lim Hu, who is disengaged I guess?

[Doctor Drew]

How do we go from signalling Gob to claim, to flash wagon in Hu?

This seems off.

i think the speed and nature of the gob wagon is what feels off here. i think it's more likely there is scum pushing gob than gob being scum

And why exactly does fast wagon = scum pushing? I hear this rhetoric a lot but what is the actual reasoning behind it?

it doesn't. i just have a feeling gob

is

limbait and that's an easy thing for scum to push

But the speed and nature of the wagon are what gave you the feeling that gob is limbait being pushed by scum?

i've been going back and forth on gob. the wagon dynamics made it swing the other way for now

You keep mentioning this, can you elaborate?

[Doctor Drew]

Aliana, but I am not even calling Altaria scum here.

Did you think I was?

[Doctor Drew]

Aliana, but I am not even calling Altaria scum here.

Did you think I was?

Lol, maybe I don't get what you were saying.
I thought you were implying Altaria was jumping on a counterwagon to save her buddy gob.

I want to understand why not gob over Hu.

If she is scum then will just expose herself.

[Doctor Drew]

Aliana, but I am not even calling Altaria scum here.

Did you think I was?

Lol, maybe I don't get what you were saying.
I thought you were implying Altaria was jumping on a counterwagon to save her buddy gob.

I want to understand why not gob over Hu.

If she is scum then will just expose herself.

how? she is barely playing the game. why do you think she will expose herself but gob won't?

I meant you will expose yourself as scum.

Was talking to Aliana about my read on you if that wasn't clear.

[Doctor Drew]

Aliana, but I am not even calling Altaria scum here.

Did you think I was?

Lol, maybe I don't get what you were saying.
I thought you were implying Altaria was jumping on a counterwagon to save her buddy gob.

I want to understand why not gob over Hu.

If she is scum then will just expose herself.

how? she is barely playing the game. why do you think she will expose herself but gob won't?

I meant you will expose yourself as scum.

Was talking to Aliana about my read on you if that wasn't clear.

ok

why do you townread hu tao?

You missing everything I am saying if you ask me this question.

[Doctor Drew]

Aliana, but I am not even calling Altaria scum here.

Did you think I was?

Lol, maybe I don't get what you were saying.
I thought you were implying Altaria was jumping on a counterwagon to save her buddy gob.

I want to understand why not gob over Hu.

If she is scum then will just expose herself.

how? she is barely playing the game. why do you think she will expose herself but gob won't?

I meant you will expose yourself as scum.

Was talking to Aliana about my read on you if that wasn't clear.

ok

why do you townread hu tao?

You missing everything I am saying if you ask me this question.

i want you to talk about your read on hu tao. can't you stop with the snark for two seconds and cooperate with me?

That wasn't snark at all, you are completely missing my point here is what I am saying.

Just as Gob was about to be limmed you, and Umlaut for that matter, swooped in and took the heat off of Gob and placed it onto Hu.

I am trying to figure out why you, and again Umlaut, chose THIS VERY MOMENT to do so when if you had suspicions of Hu beforehand like you claim, you could have pushed her.

Why only now, at this very specific moment in the day, do you try to move the imminent lim off of gob onto to someone else.

I will only defend Hu since this jump seems so so suss, and now you are just getting super defensive and acting like I am the one being obtuse here, instead of understanding what my issue is that I keep saying.

[Doctor Drew]

I will only defend Hu since this jump seems so so suss, and now you are just getting super defensive and acting like I am the one being obtuse here, instead of understanding what my issue is that I keep saying.

i thought you weren't calling me scum here? now it's "so so suss"?

also super defensive? what the heck...

You lashed out at me with some shade saying I was being snarky and so hard to talk to, that is classic defensive behavior.

And I am still not calling you scum, but as I said earlier, you will expose yourself if you are.

[Doctor Drew]

any crumbs?

VOTE: gob

i would also be ok with umlaut here

I mean I'm also okay with either

i'm assuming your preference is gob since your vote is there. can you go over your umlaut read?

This is me saying I am declaring intent.

Cheers.

I'm also starting to get sus of Gob but I'm not sure why.

I'm also fine with a gob flash wagon

VOTE: gob

i don't like this after hu tao also voted for dragon with little to no reason. it just feels like she just wants to lim someone instead of trying to figure out who might be scum. obviously this read dissipates if gob flips scum but yeah

After a quick backtrack iso of you, I saw no mention of any read of Hu, at least in your last 20 posts or so before these quotes.

You even say you are fine with either Gob or Umlaut, yet once Aliana(who btw, you have been throwing suspicion at since that) put Gob at E-1, and then I declared intent......THAT is the moment you pushed for Hu(and strangely enough not Umlaut who you just previously said you were ok with limming).

So, can you take a step back and instead of acting like I am being an asshole here and understand why i don't like what is going on here?

[Doctor Drew]

for the last time. it was the wagon gaining so much traction that made me think it could be a mislim. when i wrote 444 that was the moment i thought it could be hu, not 20 posts before that

i have no clue why you can't seem to grasp this

Listen I have suspicions you are exposing yourself as scum, just to be fully honest.

But, we seem to also have a massive communication issue here, and I honestly don't want you make you all angry to a point where you rage quit the game here.

So let's take a step back here.

I don't believe Hu is scum, I am not gonna call that a strong read since she really scares me and I can't read her well.......so I wouldn't argue with you calling her scum, per se.

It is just the timing of how it all went down here really screams to me that you didn't think the Gob wagon would move so quickly so you panicked to get another wagon going, and how you didn't start the wagon on Umlaut, and instead followed him onto Hu, while throwing a bit of shade onto Aliana who put Gob at e-1.

[Doctor Drew]

It is just the timing of how it all went down here really screams to me that you didn't think the Gob wagon would move so quickly so you panicked to get another wagon going, and how you didn't start the wagon on Umlaut, and instead followed him onto Hu, while throwing a bit of shade onto Aliana who put Gob at e-1

i thought that scum was pushing the gob wagon. i didn't vote for umlaut because he wasn't part of that. i'm not saying this was a great read but it's how i felt in the moment. this is also why i was sus of aliana. i didn't like how she casually joined the wagon because i was under the impression she still felt like he was limbait

i'm giving you your intent back. if gob flips scum I'll eat my words and let you push me as his partner tomorrow. i really don't care anymore

Scum or town, don't act defeatist like this, I apologize if I made you feel like this, but this is just a game we are playing.

[Doctor Drew]

I will only defend Hu since this jump seems so so suss, and now you are just getting super defensive and acting like I am the one being obtuse here, instead of understanding what my issue is that I keep saying.

i thought you weren't calling me scum here? now it's "so so suss"?

also super defensive? what the heck...

You lashed out at me with some shade saying I was being snarky and so hard to talk to, that is classic defensive behavior.

And I am still not calling you scum, but as I said earlier, you will expose yourself if you are.

for the last time. it was the wagon gaining so much traction that made me think it could be a mislim. when i wrote 444 that was the moment i thought it could be hu, not 20 posts before that

i have no clue why you can't seem to grasp this

Listen I have suspicions you are exposing yourself as scum, just to be fully honest.

But, we seem to also have a massive communication issue here, and I honestly don't want you make you all angry to a point where you rage quit the game here.

So let's take a step back here.

I don't believe Hu is scum, I am not gonna call that a strong read since she really scares me and I can't read her well.......so I wouldn't argue with you calling her scum, per se.

It is just the timing of how it all went down here really screams to me that you didn't think the Gob wagon would move so quickly so you panicked to get another wagon going, and how you didn't start the wagon on Umlaut, and instead followed him onto Hu, while throwing a bit of shade onto Aliana who put Gob at e-1.

Okay, Drew is officially the towniest town that has ever towned. The towniness is just radiating off of these posts.
I suppose I could try to explain it if requested, but it is not something that is easily explainable imo.
God, I hope I'm not getting fooled again.

I never would betray your trust again

[Doctor Drew]

If you flip scum, I will flip a table.

I hope you have an extra table available....

I mean, totally nothing to worry about

[Doctor Drew]

I'm just going to wait to see what Dragon has to say before I make any conclusions.

Well there goes that

I knew it!

[Doctor Drew]

well if it makes you feel any better, I recently decided I'd only meta read people based on completed games I've played with them. I did some meta diving when I came back from hiatus and was in Open 890. Everyone in that game was talking about meta and I felt lost. I went and read some games and decided after that game I wasn't going to do that again.

So at least for now I am blind to your meta lol.

Imo, this is the right way to do meta.

Specific games you have played with said person and how they interacted with you and how they interacted in a similar game state.

[Doctor Drew]

Also remember, Dragon could have jailed the NK target as well.

[Doctor Drew]

i feel like i did so good...

Naur.. You did great. Didn't know it was you. Makes me want to make a secret account now

I used to think everyone was a Hectic alt, now I just think everyone is an Alianna alt.

[Doctor Drew]

Didn't someone run a game a few years back where everyone was given a secret alt they had to play under?

I even wanna say if you alt slipped you were mod killed.

[Doctor Drew]

Anywho to keep things game related.

I really think it is Umlaut as scum.

Definitely could be a deep wolf here though.

I don't really think that Alt would hard defend Gob like that as a buddy, and then just give up. But I still can't shake the feeling that she is.

[Doctor Drew]

I think we just wait for dragon. Not sure why scum wouldn't kill the JK claim though...

Well, he could be lying about being JK as well.

I like to imagine we're all here sitting in a conference room around a table and when Dragon finally walks in, we're all just staring at him silently.

He awkwardly walks to his seat and opens up his briefcase, let's out a nervous cough, then asks how everyone's lunch was.

[Doctor Drew]

If we kill the JK target and they are town then we'll need to determine if a) Dragon is lying or b) scum no-killed to frame someone. This may be obvious but I felt like saying it

I already have my theories for who it could be in scenario B

If scum no-killed, that means they felt that framing someone was worth leaving a claimed JK alive another night and giving town an extra execution. Not saying it's impossible but might say something about the kind of position they were in.

'Sometime Enchant is just scum' applies here.

Realistically the most obvious thing that happened was that scum tried to NK someone and it was blocked in some way, even if Dragon is scum who lied about being the JK.

I don't think scum is really in any position to get cute here.

[Doctor Drew]

Plot twist - we're in a 2 scum game, dragon went v/la overnight and accidentally failed to submit the kill :>

I will blacklist Dragon if this is the case haha.

[Doctor Drew]

Well if Dragon is being truthful, there is no way imo Black would be the NK target.

Joke response, Altaria isn't in the game Dragon, you are a liar.

[Doctor Drew]

It just doesn't make a lot of sense for scum to target me over Dragon

Pardon me for not fully believing you would be the NK target, even if Dragon is actually the JK.

My gut is telling me we YOLO this and kick Black outta here.

[Doctor Drew]

Like Dragon is posting elsewhere on the site but he just forgot about a game in which he's a PR and scum was faded D1? Doesn't seem very likely to me

It might be just as simple as he is scum and is basically giving up.

[Doctor Drew]

Whoops XD

I wish I was cool enough to reaction test but nah my memory just stinks

All your brainpower was used to not alt-slip, and we know how well that went

But seriously, I thought that was a reaction test as well.

I was this close to 'hammering'

[Doctor Drew]

@Drew - how do you feel about yeeting Umlaut into the stratosphere today?

Kinda wanna let things play out a bit more

[Doctor Drew]

@Drew - how do you feel about yeeting Umlaut into the stratosphere today?

Kinda wanna let things play out a bit more

Patience is not one of my virtues lol. I WANT BLOOD!!!!!!!!
(but you are probably right)

Women

Amirite?

[Doctor Drew]

Meh I am bored.

VOTE: Umlaut

E-1

[Doctor Drew]

Okay so need Drew to claim. Umlaut to confirm they are VT and then ssbm to full claim after

Oh

VT

[Doctor Drew]

Yes. Did you target me because you townread me or did you think I was scum?

Townread

Still townreading you

I just don't believe this. With 1 scum left as jk you jail scummiest people to create clears. Not people you think might be killed.

But where would the scum motivation be behind this?

Especially when everyone has been saying that we should lim whoever Dragon jailed.

[Doctor Drew]

Well same question as last day to Dragon.

[Doctor Drew]

pushing certain ideas along

I don't feel like responding to everything Black posted about me since it can basically be summed up by the quote I posted by Black.

[Doctor Drew]

these are some of the posts that stood out to me. it's not the strongest read but for page 8 it feels good enough. i also just want gob to do something instead of "taking it easy" and not taking things seriously so hopefully this helps

why is titus scum

why not?

I don't think it's Roden.

Feel like its not Gamma here.

Feel like its not Gamma here.

Why

Why not

I was just throwing it out there lol

I was just throwing it out there lol

So there's no reason why you feel like it can't be her? You're just saying it to say it? What's the point?

I like saying out of pocket shit to see what people say

Okay I just looked at gob's ISO in DEFCON 6 and yeah this isn't town!gob

VOTE: gob

VOTE: Dragon

Lol, literally just said defcon is not a good game for a meta read on anyone.

This feels so bad

How? Did you play in that game?

I challenge you to find a good meta read from that game.

Ok I guess I am responding to Black's posts lol.

[Doctor Drew]

pushing certain ideas along

I don't feel like responding to everything Black posted about me since it can basically be summed up by the quote I posted by Black.

I'm thinking critically about the game and as a result these ideas are being formed in my head. I don't see the same from you. You're just coasting off of everyone else's ideas

How exactly am I 'coasting off of everyone's else's ideas'?

[Doctor Drew]

How? Did you play in that game?

I challenge you to find a good meta read from that game.

It feels like a bad reason to vote for Dragon and a chainsaw defense of gob. The whole "I literally just said DEFCON isn't a good game to meta read anyone" felt like you were annoyed that he didn't listen to you and that he should have taken your word for it instead of forming his own opinion

And I will stand by that Defcon is a terrible game for Alianna, Dragon, you, or anyone to get a solid meta read on.

That was my point.

Don't use shit meta to form a read on someone is my greater point.

[Doctor Drew]

@Black - the main reason I townread Drew was because of his interactions with you around EoD1. His treatment of your slot felt very...un-opportunistic, if you will.
I don't think the change in reads after learning you were jailed is scum-indicative. Sure, it's not consistent with thinking you weren't a likely gob partner, but between those posts there was a very important piece of mechanical info revealed, and it is consistent with his more recent previous posts stating that he didn't think scum would "get cute" and that you weren't a likely kill target. I know I've 180'd on reads like that as town after similar mech info was revealed.

Yeah that interaction is probably the main thing keeping me from full on scumreading Drew here. I think he became pretty appeasing in that argument though and I see that from scum a lot. The post to you where he said that he's not calling me scum (473) and then asking us to take a step back (495). I feel like town!Drew would lean more into the scumread of me instead of the on-the-fence thing he was doing there. But then again he could have also done this because he could tell I was getting frustrated, so it's just not a solid read. None of it is, but my gut is still telling me it's just Drew

It was exactly that I could tell you were getting frustrated, and like I said in that post, we were having an issue with communication and I didn't want you getting upset beyond the confines of this game.

But I still feel, especially now that Umlaut flipped town, that you are very very suss about how you tried to push things off of Gob there.

I am prepared to vote you pending who Dragons says they JK'ed

Pre Edit: The only read that matters is this one on you above ^^

[Doctor Drew]

Unfortunately it's not the only read that matters because I'm town. So if you're town too then you need to consider this as a possibility in case I'm flipped today, otherwise it'll be pretty obvious that you don't have the town's best interest in mind and you're not trying to solve the game

In a world where you know I'm town, what do your other reads look like?

We will wait for Dragons then, whenever they decide to show up lol.

But I do love when someone says that you are 'anti town' because said person doesn't agree with how you approach the game.

Did you have the town's best interests in mind when you scrambled to get the lim off of Gob?

I will answer that for you, no.....no you didn't

[Doctor Drew]

I absolutely did. I thought gob was a mislim and I was trying to avoid that. Me being wrong about gob doesn't change my intentions

If you're really just gonna avoid giving reads on everyone else then I'm fine with just fading you here. We will wait for Dragon but I'm pretty sure you only want to do that because you're the one no-killing and trying to frame people

[Doctor Drew]

I think I want Drew --> slightly smaller gap than before --> Hu Tao at this point. Refusing to solve outside of a tunnel just feels really anti-town at this point

So saying you are scum is scummy?

[Doctor Drew]

I've given my read. I led on scum day 1. I'm trying to play the game optimally so I don't know what else you want from me.

I want you to try harder but I guess I can't expect everyone to play like me

I mean I asked you why town!Drew would avoid voting me or Umlaut after we hopped off of gob and your answer was "not sure". I want you to think critically about this and help me solve this if you're town, but like I said I can't really expect that from someone unwilling to do so. It's just frustrating

I will admit this confused me a bit since I was on umlauts mislim, and have stated intend to vote you pending Dragons result here......but you are talking D1 heh.

I wanted Gob as the lim, and wasn't going to push another wagon on someone else when I felt pretty good about Gob flipping scum, I mean I did declare intent. I mean I guess if I was trying to save a buddy I would start voting someone else at that point.......

I just wanted to make sure that what you were doing was exposed as much as possible

[Doctor Drew]

I wanted Gob as the lim, and wasn't going to push another wagon on someone else when I felt pretty good about Gob flipping scum, I mean I did declare intent. I mean I guess if I was trying to save a buddy I would start voting someone else at that point.......

Why didn't you vote for gob once we unvoted?

Your seemingly giving up and voting Gob did give me slight pause, then it was bedtime for me and Gera hammered when I asleep. Before everything happened between you and me, do you not believe that I would have hammered Gob?

Drew, it feels like you're in a cooperative mood. It's ok if you think I'm scum. I just want to know what your worldview would be when I flip town

If we flip you, and I am wrong, then I will go from there.

That is a bridge I don't think I will have to cross, but will cross it if it happens.

Again, all pending what Dragons says about his night action...... hopefully happens sooner than later lol.

Also my post I made about saying the person Dragon jailed could have been the target of the NK that Cele brought back up......no one had mentioned that possibility up until that point and everyone has just happy to send that person to hell, so figured it would be good to mention it. I like how that gets turned into 'Drew was scared he might have had his NK blocked' lol.

[Doctor Drew]

All I'm asking is for you to show me that you're town and you're too stubborn to even do that

I'm tunneling this for the rest of the day and idgaf

Why is the burden on me to 'show my towniness' to you? You are a good player, you should have an idea one way or another by now(if you are town). Plus we again are in a holding pattern until we here from Dragon, but everyone seems to like talking about so far this Day, calling me sketch and such.....yet when I(and kinda Hu) call you scummy we are the ones tunneling lol.

VOTE: Drew

We wait for Dragon but nothing Dragon could say is going to convince me it's not just Drew here

K, I guess we are going to do this now then.

VOTE: Black

[Doctor Drew]

Yes. Did you target me because you townread me or did you think I was scum?

Townread

Still townreading you

We can join forces and spam Dragon's notifications though lol

[Doctor Drew]

Why is the burden on me to 'show my towniness' to you?

I was willing to reconsider on you if you showed any indication that you're trying to solve the game. Now I think it's pretty clear you're refusing to give reads on other players so you don't have to backtrack on them later when you need to

How many times do I have to say that I feel I already solved the game? I think you are scum.

If I am wrong, I will go from there.

Go look at basically any scum game of mine, I am never afraid to give reads as scum. You are spinning an objectively false narrative based off of nothing except your anger of me not letting up on calling you scum.

If I am wrong about you and we mis lim you, I will be the first to apologize I pushed you so hard, but I just don't think that is the case.

[Doctor Drew]

Like how can you hope to find scum Day 1 when everything is a crapshoot, as you say, without having a few people you trust?

I don't expect to find scum day 1

This vibes like gera from Mafia has a cop, those vibes being town.

VOTE: Dragon

Lol, literally just said defcon is not a good game for a meta read on anyone.

VOTE: Dragon

Lol, literally just said defcon is not a good game for a meta read on anyone.

So you voting me for doing the same thing Aliana did while I was clearly responding to things from last page?

Wtf Drew.

No I am voting you because you are throwing out reads with no substance behind them.

Altaria locktown

More from me tomorrow.

There's probably one scum in Drew/Hu Tao and I'm leaning Hu Tao

VOTE: Hu Tao

I feel fine townbinning Aliana for now

might change this later though

First two posts where just as you repped in.

Last post was just after Artichoke repped in.

You even struggled to explain why you townbinned here as well.

Aliana, but I am not even calling Altaria scum here.

Did you think I was?

Aliana, but I am not even calling Altaria scum here.

Did you think I was?

Lol, maybe I don't get what you were saying.
I thought you were implying Altaria was jumping on a counterwagon to save her buddy gob.

I want to understand why not gob over Hu.

If she is scum then will just expose herself.

Aliana, but I am not even calling Altaria scum here.

Did you think I was?

Lol, maybe I don't get what you were saying.
I thought you were implying Altaria was jumping on a counterwagon to save her buddy gob.

I want to understand why not gob over Hu.

If she is scum then will just expose herself.

how? she is barely playing the game. why do you think she will expose herself but gob won't?

I meant you will expose yourself as scum.

Was talking to Aliana about my read on you if that wasn't clear.

Anywho to keep things game related.

I really think it is Umlaut as scum.

Definitely could be a deep wolf here though.

I don't really think that Alt would hard defend Gob like that as a buddy, and then just give up. But I still can't shake the feeling that she is.

Well if Dragon is being truthful, there is no way imo Black would be the NK target.

Joke response, Altaria isn't in the game Dragon, you are a liar.

It just doesn't make a lot of sense for scum to target me over Dragon

Pardon me for not fully believing you would be the NK target, even if Dragon is actually the JK.

My gut is telling me we YOLO this and kick Black outta here.

Like Dragon is posting elsewhere on the site but he just forgot about a game in which he's a PR and scum was faded D1? Doesn't seem very likely to me

It might be just as simple as he is scum and is basically giving up.

Yes. Did you target me because you townread me or did you think I was scum?

Townread

Still townreading you

I just don't believe this. With 1 scum left as jk you jail scummiest people to create clears. Not people you think might be killed.

But where would the scum motivation be behind this?

Especially when everyone has been saying that we should lim whoever Dragon jailed.

But here you go, more or less every post I made trying to figure people out(I left out any clear shit posting, redundant posts, or any post that has been quoted as naseum here).

Notice the progression trying to figure out Black and Dragon especially.

So ya, this all lead me to say you are scum Black.

Don't make me show my work again lol(I am a lazy man heh).

[Doctor Drew]

Also, again you are a good scum player Black.

It should be obvious why I would keep my reads close to my chest when dealing with you.

[Doctor Drew]

And now Drew is trying to justify why he's not giving reads on other players in a way that seems pretty clear that he just thought of it

We're fading this today

And you say I am hard to talk to?

I gave a read on Gera, Dragons, somewhat Alianna, and of course Gob in those quotes.

I guess I have to say the silent part out loud, why would I give my reads to someone I feel confident is scum?

What will you do with those?

Manipulate everything I post just have you have been doing?

Ya that sounds about right.

There is literally nothing I could do that you wouldn't use as a reason to call me scum.

So now, I won't do your busy work for you, I won't help you spin a false narrative on my intentions, I won't be complicit with scum plotting my own demise

I already posted quotes from me where I was clearly sorting people, you an other's, yet no comment there?

Or how about all the scum games I have where I am completely different in regards to what you are accusing scumMe of acting? How about you do some busy work for me?

Pre Edit: Ha, you just proved you didn't read anything I just quoted in regards to my progression on you

[Doctor Drew]

There is a smidge of me thinking you are open wolfing with the laughing lol.

[Doctor Drew]

There's a chance it's just Alianna/geraintm/Cele and they are just sitting back watching me and Drew go at each other, but I don't think it's super likely and we can cross that bridge after Drew and I flip

4 scum?

[Doctor Drew]

No

I'm saying it could be one of them

NGL, would be quite a game if only you, Hu, and I were town lol

[Doctor Drew]

I haven't really thought it was Cele but he has been rather appease-y and lurky so I could see it

I do slightly want to apologize to you, I still think you are likely scum lol, but I was in a mood yesterday and probably came off a bit too much like a stubborn dick.

I think you are correct, scum or town, I do need to be a bit more open with my reads. And ironically enough I have felt the same way about Cele as of late. Like as we were arguing and your read of me started to become and scum read, it did feel a little like he was trying to stoke the flame.

I promise this is not a pocket attempt haha.

Also if we have to lose Aliana, I could not think of a better person than Dann to replace her.......look at this, Drew spreading the holiday cheer all around!

[Doctor Drew]

are we also waiting for Dragon to claim who he targeted N2?

I think he is trolling us at this point.

[Doctor Drew]

I normally don't worry about Alianna since, much like she said with me, she usually town tells pretty obviously(to me at least, also like we said we have played a ton of games together).

I will say that I haven't gotten those town tells while she was here, so I definitely wouldn't say she is a strong town read, or even a town read at all.

The posts you quoted are compelling.

[Doctor Drew]

482 - kyouko votes for me because I jumped off the gob wagon
535/542 - kyouko says Dragon probably jailed the remaining scum
641 - kyouko votes for no elimination 4 minutes after Dragon reveals that he jailed me

This is why I think kyouko's plan all along was to try and no-kill N1 and no-lim D2. If she were town then her first thought should have been "oh it's obviously Black" but instead she went straight to wanting to no-lim. That's because her plan is to reduce the PoE as little as possible, just like Dann suggested

Would they no kill two nights in a row though?

[Doctor Drew]

Yeah good question

My only thought is to sow doubt? Keep the PoE as open as possible?

I don't think it's an optimal play so I can't really wrap my head around it

Exactly, is not optimal at all.

If only Dragon was here to enlighten us with some much needed info lol.

[Doctor Drew]

Dragon? More like Dragon this game longer than it needs to be

Maybe he jailed himself and lost the key.

[Doctor Drew]

Kinda want to just fade Drew here ngl but I'm still paranoid that scum is no killing

I guess only one way to find out?

VOTE: Drew

Well this is the wrong way.

I like how Black gets jailed, no prob.....I get jailed, must be scum.

I do kinda believe Dragons, I don't trust Black at all, Dann I feel worse if Black is town.

Hu could be deep wolfing, but they are the only one making sense here(at least in regards to to me lol).

Pre Edit: Black, wouldn't scum be more likely to fake a claim that 'makes sense'?

[Doctor Drew]

Dann, black said her claim made more sense then mine, hence my response.

And I am just giving my last reads since I figure no one will listen to me or Hu.

When I flip town, which btw I will, hopefully you will go back to that post you quoted and take it a bit more seriously.

[Doctor Drew]

This makes sense to me. As I said yesterday, I was expecting that Dragon had targeted Drew and that's why we had a no kill. It still makes sense to me that that is what happened, just the the JK protected the target and didn't roleblock. I can see Drew targetting Black that night.

VOTE: Doctor Drew

I believe that is E-1

The lim order should really go Black, Cele, Dann imo.

Like Black said, Cele has been just complacent with Black's read on me, apologies to Dann lol....but if Black is town Cele should be the next to go

[Doctor Drew]

And no I wouldn't be putting this effort in if I was scum here, I would self hammer just to end things.

[Doctor Drew]

I'm notoriously awful at setup and balance spec. I legit think I would need someone to help me come up with a fake claim that made sense. I've never fake claimed anything but VT

When I fake claim I go out of my way to make sure it makes sense to the game, and I am definitely not a setup spec person.

[Doctor Drew]

Pre Edit: Black, wouldn't scum be more likely to fake a claim that 'makes sense'?

Not necessarily. Weren't you the last to claim? If there are already 3 claimed PRs then a 4th PR claim wouldn't really make sense balance wise here

Plus I think certain people are probably going to just take the easy route and claim VT instead of think of something that fits. I'm not sure if you would do this but I know this type of player exists because I'm one of them

I misread your comment Drew. I think you can ignore my response because I thought you were saying you would claim a PR instead of VT

I think it's funny that you're trying to convince me I'm scum though

I am trying to convince others that you are scum and that you should be the lim tomorrow

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: no lim

[Doctor Drew]

Black is town Drew

If you’re town you need to be looking at other slots

I literally said how Cele is scummy, as long with your slot, as well

[Doctor Drew]

I would love a detailed report by Dragon and Dann(and anyone for that matter) about how I am mechanically scum, and Black isn't(calm down Dann, not saying she is scum, but we both were claimed to be jailed on Nights without a kill).

If you could have that report on my desk first thing in the morning that would be lovely.

I haven't really thought it was Cele but he has been rather appease-y and lurky so I could see it

I do slightly want to apologize to you, I still think you are likely scum lol, but I was in a mood yesterday and probably came off a bit too much like a stubborn dick.

I think you are correct, scum or town, I do need to be a bit more open with my reads. And ironically enough I have felt the same way about Cele as of late. Like as we were arguing and your read of me started to become and scum read, it did feel a little like he was trying to stoke the flame.

I promise this is not a pocket attempt haha.

Also if we have to lose Aliana, I could not think of a better person than Dann to replace her.......look at this, Drew spreading the holiday cheer all around!

This does feel really weird considering I've been Drew's #1 pick for scum for awhile now

Well I have backed off that a bit, but this post was after I had been calling you a scummy piece of shit for awhile so I felt I needed to step back a bit and consider what you are saying, and look elsewhere.

Then I chuckled to myself since it seemed like I went from tunneling you very hard to agreeing with points you are making, hence the pocket comment by me.

Speaking of Cele, still think it really is Cele, somewhat for reasons described in this post you quoted, Black.

I also could see Alianna targeting me as a NK like you said Black, she knows I can read her well and would eventually catch on to her not obv towning. So if not Cele I definitely could see it as Dann.

And of course still will paranoia on you haha

[Doctor Drew]

I don’t think you’re mechanically scum drew

Was skimming at work, maybe it was just Dragon and Black saying that.

[Doctor Drew]

I wasn't really defending Hu, just she was the only person really listening to what I was saying when I was going at it with Black. I was a bit weary of how strongly she was town reading me, but I also have played a bunch with her as of late(is she should have a decent grasp of my town game).

Now that being said, I definitely could see her as a deep wolf. I feel I was probably a bit blinded by my frustration to see it earlier, but I definitely could see myself voting there.

Also Black, a bit a a funny aside. I thought about how the interactions we had earlier in the game remind me of how Flavor Leaf and I interact in basically every game where are in together(mostly both town). We butt heads and call each other scum, then have a magical moment where we realize we are both town. Sometimes happens quicker than others, but we get there lol.

You are Flavor 2.0 to me

[Doctor Drew]

Maybe that's why FL annoys me so much

I hope I'm not as annoying as him tbh

I actually really like playing with him.

But, you definitely don't as much of a healthy ego as him haha.

[Doctor Drew]

If you refuse then you are accepting defeat and we will just throw you off the cliff

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Black, do me a favor and look at this game......I need an outsiders perspective on it.

Hu was town here(a mason with Nono), I also was town(along with your best friend Flavor Leaf haha).

I, among others, were very suspicious of Hu all game and felt her play was scummy.......until I had a come to Jesus moment and realized the mason claim probably made the most sense.....blah blah won't bore you with all the details of how I won the game for town

But, does Hu look similar there to here? I kinda feel no, but something about Hu that makes me doubt every read I have on her.

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Hu

[Doctor Drew]

i hope this is correct and i didn't actually have to do anything this game

Don't be so hard on yourself, you did more than you know lol.

[Doctor Drew]

sounds ominous

Lol, didn't mean to be.....was just trying to be a bit cheeky.

[Doctor Drew]

I am kinda surprised that Cele was the NK, but I guess I was the only one really scum reading him at this point.

My paranoia for you is still there Black, but I just feel it has to be Dann at this point.

And if it is Dragon, I am ok with him playing us so well with the fake claim and losing to that.

[Doctor Drew]

It’s not me

Oops forgot I was still logged in to the hydra

[Doctor Drew]

Idk just track his reads on everyone throughout the game

He keeps reinforcing how he has paranoia on so many slots but very few town reads

Idk i just dont think he has a towny perspective on the game or has wanted to truly sort the gMe like ever

I feel bad i dismantled the fight between you two when i repped in because I thought the gane was harder than it is

This is a whole lot of words with no examples to back up anything you said here.

[Doctor Drew]

Oh I was hammered?

Fun

[Doctor Drew]

Oh I was hammered?

Fun

Are you scum

Nope

[Doctor Drew]

gg

sorry i did not give this game my fullest attention

Also, my read on you was mainly on Alianna

I was seriously afraid you'd catch me when you repped in tbh

But this was a pretty dead game from Day 1 so I understand you

I mean I lurked Day 2 and Day 3 and nobody fucking cared.

Lol, well tbf......we all were waiting for you.

I really don't hope you were lurking on purpose.

[Doctor Drew]

I was mainoy dealing with real life issues and had no brain to figure out how to win a 1 v 8 / 1v 7

Oh, I should clarify I wasn't accusing you of it. Sorry, came out more aggressive then I intended, my brain is fried from work and can't English well lol.

[Doctor Drew]

I was mainoy dealing with real life issues and had no brain to figure out how to win a 1 v 8 / 1v 7

Well it helps when you have town v town battles just originally happen, definitely has helped me out as scum before.

[Doctor Drew]

gg

sorry i did not give this game my fullest attention

Also, my read on you was mainly on Alianna

I'd ask you what towntells you weren't seeing this game, but I'm guessing you probably wouldn't tell me?

Without answering exactly what the tells are, I just feel you weren't in the game long enough to obv town.

I say this basically every game where we are in(same as Flavor as well), if you are town you will blatantly show it at some point.

And in this case, Dann scares me as scum as well, so when he repped in I said 'hmmm'

[Doctor Drew]

Gg scum

This game was funny

I appreciated your lock town read on me

I am sorry I didn't understand you were lock town as well.

You were the only one making sense!

[Doctor Drew]

It's fine. I need to be better in explaining my reads.

I would want to explain to everyone else why I was lock town though lol

[Doctor Drew]

It's fine. I need to be better in explaining my reads.

I'm sorry for a couple of things this game

I was a little rude to you when I shouldn't have been. There's no excuse for it and I need to control my frustrations better

I also struggle with two problems as town. I tunnel easily, and I'm bad at rallying people to my solve when I think I'm right. I was trying to work on the latter this game and it worked a little, the issue was I was tunneling on town. Sorry you got caught in the crosshairs of that

You are preaching to my choir lol

This is why we butted heads so much.

I think we both moved on from this, but was too late