Mini Normal 2322: Game Over

Hu Tao · Post Post #133 (isolation #1) » Tue Dec 19, 2023 5:53 pm

In post 9, Thomith wrote: VOTE: Hu Tao

Hello

This vote is invalid as it was posted on Hu Taown Tuesday. Thank you for understanding.

Hu Tao · Post Post #134 (isolation #2) » Tue Dec 19, 2023 5:53 pm

In post 41, DragonEater70 wrote: So is this game dead already? That sucks.

Btw I am an Alien Novice Death-Millerizer 2-Shot Vigilante.

Sus post. How is it dead? It's been less than a day?

Hu Tao · Post Post #135 (isolation #3) » Tue Dec 19, 2023 5:55 pm

In post 61, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 58, cw357 wrote:
In post 54, Flavor Leaf wrote: i think shitposting is still just a mask, and can be alignment indicative either way. I dont think there's enough to discern a correct answer with Pavowski at all. I lean town, but wouldnt die on that hill.
ok actually the ones who are all on people for not doing tasks are able to tell because they're not doing tasks themselves
I find this mega-sussy

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Flavor Leaf
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Also these 2 sentiments don't add up.

I'm not on anyone, nor do I plan to be.

VOTE: Flavor

But let's get a Flavor wagon going.

Hu Tao · Post Post #136 (isolation #4) » Tue Dec 19, 2023 5:56 pm

In post 73, cw357 wrote: see under my name how it says townie
AHA PROOF

now stfu if ur a dumbass and can't read it doesnt help anyone u r trying to get us to eject a crewmate!

HE IS TRYING TO GET US TO EJECT A CREWMATE!!!!!!! D: D: D:

I love your energy bestie

Hu Tao · Post Post #137 (isolation #5) » Tue Dec 19, 2023 5:58 pm

In post 104, cw357 wrote:
In post 103, Pavowski wrote: If this is some kind of strat, it is not my favorite
its ok ur still my fave

ROLECLAIM NOW OR ELSE YOU ARE IMPOSTOR AUTOMATICLALY1!!!!!!!!!!

Okay I take it back

Hu Tao · Post Post #138 (isolation #6) » Tue Dec 19, 2023 5:59 pm

In post 120, Joyboy wrote: THIS IS MY PEEK!!!!!!!!!

I expect gear 5 play from you this game then.

Hu Tao · Post Post #140 (isolation #7) » Tue Dec 19, 2023 6:31 pm

I haven't even done anything how am I town?

Hu Tao · Post Post #141 (isolation #8) » Tue Dec 19, 2023 6:31 pm

And I'm also not sure what I just read

Hu Tao · Post Post #144 (isolation #9) » Tue Dec 19, 2023 6:39 pm

I'm Taown and it was a Tuesday. But Hu Tao Tuesday is something FL came up with

Hu Tao · Post Post #264 (isolation #10) » Wed Dec 20, 2023 9:42 am

In post 168, Purplemango wrote:
In post 166, DragonEater70 wrote:
In post 8, Purplemango wrote: Hellooo
Hey Purple, if you were a night 0 cop, who would be your guilty? And who would be your inno?
Idk why is send without anything, anyoway i don't really know what its means, but you'll be guilty

This is do funny to me, I'm not sure why

Hu Tao · Post Post #265 (isolation #11) » Wed Dec 20, 2023 9:42 am

Hu Tao · Post Post #266 (isolation #12) » Wed Dec 20, 2023 9:44 am

In post 202, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: My role is "Informed Hu Taownie" btw and I win if Hu Tao survives or is NKed. I'm informed of the existence of a "Take Hu Daownie" who will win if they hammer Hu Tao so be on the lookout for any suspicious Hu Tao shaders keeping their votes off the wagon

Hu Tao · Post Post #267 (isolation #13) » Wed Dec 20, 2023 9:45 am

In post 205, Thomith wrote: Im not sure how I feel about Laplacian voting with me.

Why? It's pretty early on so I don't see the issue. Also you seem different but I'm not sure why. Maybe I'm paranoid.

Hu Tao · Post Post #268 (isolation #14) » Wed Dec 20, 2023 9:46 am

In post 209, DragonEater70 wrote: It means "I read this person's post and was thinking whether I should vote them or not based on the post, and I concluded that I don't want to vote them. And then I decided that simply passively not voting is not enough, I should be actively not voting them"

And basically the heal tag is a way to actively not vote someone I guess.

Since when have you started doing this?

Hu Tao · Post Post #269 (isolation #15) » Wed Dec 20, 2023 9:47 am

In post 236, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
In post 233, HighPrincessErinys wrote: Lemme check myself before taking someone this one is wary of at face value
Okay checks out thank you :salute:
VOTE: Laplacian

Looks like you're just voting them since you're getting heat too.

VOTE: HPE

Hu Tao · Post Post #270 (isolation #16) » Wed Dec 20, 2023 9:50 am

Might be because I don't see the reason for the Lap scumread though

Hu Tao · Post Post #271 (isolation #17) » Wed Dec 20, 2023 9:51 am

In post 238, Thomith wrote:
In post 230, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
In post 199, DragonEater70 wrote: I won't steal it

However, I'll use this pagebottom to say I'm fine with a Pav/Flavor/Dragon town core for now

And I'm also going to revote HPE

VOTE: HPE
snoreeee mimimimimi. includes self in the towncore too...
Do you think DE70 putting himself in his towncore is suspicious?

I think you thinking it's suspicious is suspicious. Sounds like an NAI thing regardless of who does it.

Hu Tao · Post Post #277 (isolation #18) » Wed Dec 20, 2023 9:56 am

In post 240, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
In post 236, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
In post 233, HighPrincessErinys wrote: Lemme check myself before taking someone this one is wary of at face value
Okay checks out thank you :salute:
VOTE: Laplacian
To elaborate this one disagrees on Abne doing nothing but illusory acts of help, but more importantly just doesn't really think there's that "comedic veneer" from Pavowski and that 46 and 51 are secretly totally serious. ESPECIALLY not a fan of the sudden mood change after a reread, compare and contrast how 226 and 228 talk about Pavowski. Still don't like those early posts but certainly willing to write things off. It reeks of "scum failed to get people to kill this guy so they're walking away and saying 'yeah but i think they're cool now'".

Okay. You actually explained the read nvm.

UNVOTE:

Hu Tao · Post Post #279 (isolation #19) » Wed Dec 20, 2023 9:57 am

In post 249, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: Attention all scum, you have 1 day to bus Lap for towncred, after that it's going to look sus

(expired on 2023-12-21 14:00:00)

Am I missing something??

Hu Tao · Post Post #280 (isolation #20) » Wed Dec 20, 2023 9:58 am

In post 250, DragonEater70 wrote: It's really hard to sheep Flavor when he doesn't give me scumreads to work with btw

This is flavor most of the time in the beginning of games, not sure why you're surprised

Hu Tao · Post Post #281 (isolation #21) » Wed Dec 20, 2023 9:58 am

In post 253, Joyboy wrote: IF YOUR NAME IS ON THIS LIST I AM GOING TO FIGHT YOU

Purplemango
Hu Tao
Laplacian
cw357
geraintm

Bring it on

Hu Tao · Post Post #283 (isolation #22) » Wed Dec 20, 2023 9:59 am

In post 254, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: It'd be weirdly straightforward but it feels like it could just be {Laplacian, DE, ???}

Dragon feels like he wants anything
but
for the focus to be on Laplacian and Laplacian feels like he knows he's toast and is trying to Distance from DE before he goes down

This is wild because I feel like we see things completely different right now. I don't think dragon is that scummy ATM.

Hu Tao · Post Post #285 (isolation #23) » Wed Dec 20, 2023 10:00 am

In post 273, Thomith wrote:
In post 271, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 238, Thomith wrote:
In post 230, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
In post 199, DragonEater70 wrote: I won't steal it

However, I'll use this pagebottom to say I'm fine with a Pav/Flavor/Dragon town core for now

And I'm also going to revote HPE

VOTE: HPE
snoreeee mimimimimi. includes self in the towncore too...
Do you think DE70 putting himself in his towncore is suspicious?
I think you thinking it's suspicious is suspicious. Sounds like an NAI thing regardless of who does it.
I wasn't saying it was suspicious, I was getting HPE to clarify because I wasn't sure if it was suggesting DE70 was suspicious for doing that.

Ah okay. I misunderstood

Hu Tao · Post Post #290 (isolation #24) » Wed Dec 20, 2023 10:05 am

Okay I need someone who scumreads lap to explain the lap scumread. Preferably Kyouko. I feel like I usually see eye to eye with her but this game, I'm not. I haven't seen her as scum yet so I'm a bit worried about that tbh.

Hu Tao · Post Post #291 (isolation #25) » Wed Dec 20, 2023 10:06 am

In post 288, Pavowski wrote: Hey Hu, who (lol?) are you feeling towny on right now? Just curious.

Flavor since I've seen him do this as town. Dragon is a maybe. Think that's it. I usually don't give townreads or scumreads too easy though.

Hu Tao · Post Post #294 (isolation #26) » Wed Dec 20, 2023 10:10 am

In post 293, Pavowski wrote:
In post 291, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 288, Pavowski wrote: Hey Hu, who (lol?) are you feeling towny on right now? Just curious.
Flavor since I've seen him do this as town. Dragon is a maybe. Think that's it. I usually don't give townreads or scumreads too easy though.
Well that's something, at least

What about you?

Hu Tao · Post Post #317 (isolation #27) » Wed Dec 20, 2023 11:02 am

In post 299, Pavowski wrote:
In post 294, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 293, Pavowski wrote:
In post 291, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 288, Pavowski wrote: Hey Hu, who (lol?) are you feeling towny on right now? Just curious.
Flavor since I've seen him do this as town. Dragon is a maybe. Think that's it. I usually don't give townreads or scumreads too easy though.
Well that's something, at least
What about you?
For the moment I think:
kyouko is town (maybe a little over-tunneled on Lap for this early in the game, but who among us),
Dragon may be town (see my earlier response to him),
cw is very likely town, which is a bummer cuz if they follow their current trend it'll get them yeeted
on a personal note I just really want Flavor to be town, if he's scum his pockets are getting crowded
and I slightly townlean the doll

and for reference, this is my first go-round with almost everybody in this list (save kyouko and Abnegation, but again, it's been a *while*) so I have no meta for anybody

Who do you think could be scum so far?

Hu Tao · Post Post #319 (isolation #28) » Wed Dec 20, 2023 11:05 am

In post 312, Flavor Leaf wrote: Kyouko feels a little too tunneled onto Lap, but idk if that’s a scum thing to be right now.

She could just be tunneled. I do agree if lap is town that scum is likely on the wagon already

Hu Tao · Post Post #321 (isolation #29) » Wed Dec 20, 2023 11:06 am

All roads always lead back to this VOTE: HPE

Hu Tao · Post Post #322 (isolation #30) » Wed Dec 20, 2023 11:10 am

Only thing holding me back is I always scumread it early. HPE has a habit of doing something scummy early and then it's town after flip. Just like the smugglers game. Kyouko, taking your tunnel out of consideration, thoughts on HPE?

Hu Tao · Post Post #325 (isolation #31) » Wed Dec 20, 2023 11:12 am

Asking kyouko since she was the only one I'm that game where me and hpe was tvt

Hu Tao · Post Post #326 (isolation #32) » Wed Dec 20, 2023 11:13 am

In post 324, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 319, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 312, Flavor Leaf wrote: Kyouko feels a little too tunneled onto Lap, but idk if that’s a scum thing to be right now.
She could just be tunneled. I do agree if lap is town that scum is likely on the wagon already
is it out of their scum range to fake a tunnel as scum?

I've never seen her as scum, so that's why I was confused when I didn't see eye to eye for her for once. So maybe

Hu Tao · Post Post #383 (isolation #33) » Wed Dec 20, 2023 5:19 pm

In post 334, Thomith wrote:
In post 332, HighPrincessErinys wrote: No idea what to make of HT going and throwing hands with me only to later see the exact thing she was asking about was posted previously.
To be fair, from what I remember from a previous Micro, Hu Tao catch ups usually involve them posting comments as she is reading the thread, so this could be genuine.

Yep, I post as I read.

Hu Tao · Post Post #384 (isolation #34) » Wed Dec 20, 2023 5:21 pm

In post 338, Flavor Leaf wrote: i just have a hard time seeing Dragon play this way as scum. it's over the line of too much as scum, that i think it's just genuine.

im pocketed cuz of it if they are scum, though, so ill have to break out of that later in the game if it turns out they are, but thats not a Day 1 thing

I don't think he can't play this way as scum, but I don't think he's done anything that scummy.

Hu Tao · Post Post #385 (isolation #35) » Wed Dec 20, 2023 5:22 pm

In post 346, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
In post 345, DragonEater70 wrote:
In post 336, HighPrincessErinys wrote: Yeah this one doesn't think 47 was a normal or towny way of getting out of RVS like at all.
Hmm okay

Would you vote Thomith here?

In post 339, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
In post 338, Flavor Leaf wrote: i just have a hard time seeing Dragon play this way as scum. it's over the line of too much as scum, that i think it's just genuine.

im pocketed cuz of it if they are scum, though, so ill have to break out of that later in the game if it turns out they are, but thats not a Day 1 thing
This one doesn't think Dragon is scum tbh just not playing so well lmao
Sadly this makes me slightly less confident about the scumread
If Lap and HT stopped existing, sure.

Hu Tao · Post Post #386 (isolation #36) » Wed Dec 20, 2023 5:26 pm

In post 373, Pavowski wrote:
In post 368, geraintm wrote:
In post 329, Flavor Leaf wrote: I barely remember much of geraint, but i think that's a good thing with geraint slightly, and i expect to be able to read em if they're scum anyways.

yep, ive done nothing. i know you can read me, so i am happy to not vote you on day 1 and skip to day 2
In post 369, geraintm wrote: VOTE: Laplacian
Do not like

Not saying that he can't be scum but this is peak Gera. I don't think I've seen him as scum either though.

Hu Tao · Post Post #388 (isolation #37) » Wed Dec 20, 2023 5:32 pm

In post 387, DragonEater70 wrote:
In post 376, Laplacian wrote: Getting more sus on Dragoneater. Despite having the most posts by a good 60% margin, their posts are proportionally low-content and fell back to the sheeping post from page 1 when Pav called out his weird vote pattern in 358. Their push for HPE feels legit though and not like a preemptive bus, so I'm feeling 1 scum between DE and HPE.
Don't love this thought tbh

Do you usually love when someone scumreads you?

Hu Tao · Post Post #399 (isolation #38) » Wed Dec 20, 2023 7:09 pm

In post 395, DragonEater70 wrote:
In post 393, Laplacian wrote: I'm at E-2, no shit I'm in survival mode. The two leading votes are basically me vs you right now, and I know I'm town while you've been exuding scum vibes, so ofc I'm going to try to get people to vote smart instead of following ssmb's train tunnel to a mislim.
Then actually find and vote scum

? He's saying he's voting someone who is scummy. What do you mean

Hu Tao · Post Post #401 (isolation #39) » Wed Dec 20, 2023 7:14 pm

I'm not against voting abneg either. I'll sleep on it though. Goodnight~

Hu Tao · Post Post #428 (isolation #40) » Thu Dec 21, 2023 3:40 am

In post 413, Thomith wrote: I want to say I feel like this is Hu Taown, but want to see a but more before I commit to that.

See more what?

Hu Tao · Post Post #429 (isolation #41) » Thu Dec 21, 2023 3:42 am

In post 420, DragonEater70 wrote: Did you know that on mobile if you are in the editor & preview thingy you just mark the post number and click "post" tag and it will link it? Like this:

56
106
228

Thanks for this knowledge

Hu Tao · Post Post #432 (isolation #42) » Thu Dec 21, 2023 3:44 am

In post 430, Purplemango wrote:
In post 415, DragonEater70 wrote:
In post 411, Thomith wrote:
In post 410, DragonEater70 wrote: Btw Purple is town according to my soulread
Is this a soul read you can explain, or is just as simple as it's a soul read?

I know Purple irl (sort of) and have played like 8-10 chat mafia games with him.

As scum his solving is batantly fake, which it isn't here.

Therefore he is town.
Who are you

Hu Tao · Post Post #433 (isolation #43) » Thu Dec 21, 2023 3:44 am

In post 431, Thomith wrote:
In post 428, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 413, Thomith wrote: I want to say I feel like this is Hu Taown, but want to see a but more before I commit to that.
See more what?
More of your posting generally before I'll feel more confident sorting you.

Last time I was scum and fooled you. Could I not be doing the same here?

Hu Tao · Post Post #469 (isolation #44) » Thu Dec 21, 2023 6:27 am

In post 457, cw357 wrote:
In post 247, Joyboy wrote: VOTE: CW
THIS MEAT IS TERRIBLE! HEALTHY BUT TERRIBLE!
LETS GET IT OUT OF HERE SO WE CAN GET TO THE GOOD MEAT TOMORROW
people who actively try to pl are auto-impostor
VOTE: Joyboy

I actually agree with this. Policy elims are terrible

Hu Tao · Post Post #471 (isolation #45) » Thu Dec 21, 2023 6:31 am

In post 467, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
In post 269, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 236, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
In post 233, HighPrincessErinys wrote: Lemme check myself before taking someone this one is wary of at face value
Okay checks out thank you :salute:
VOTE: Laplacian
Looks like you're just voting them since you're getting heat too.

VOTE: HPE
My reaction when I read this the first time through was "what heat", and rereading, trying to be less tunneled on Laplacian and more aware of what else is going on in the thread, I still think "what heat"? Must be Thomith/DE? Or was it just DE at this point when it voted Laplacian?

When I post I read in real time. So at the time of that post there were discussions about HPE. So it looks like it just voted to push the lap narrative.

Hu Tao · Post Post #472 (isolation #46) » Thu Dec 21, 2023 6:33 am

Kyouko did you ever reply to my post asking if you see any similarities between this game and the smugglers game for HPE? I have a tendency to scumread HPE a lot, so not sure.

Hu Tao · Post Post #473 (isolation #47) » Thu Dec 21, 2023 6:39 am

Looking back I thought hpe had more votes at the time but I think it was just dragon voting and unvoting. I also unvoted HPE when it explained the reasoning later on in a different post.

Hu Tao · Post Post #478 (isolation #48) » Thu Dec 21, 2023 6:51 am

In post 475, Laplacian wrote: Glad cw is back and toning down the memes. However, they pop back in within 30 minutes of Kyouko saying cw had valid thoughts. Could just be good timing, but I'm also thinking scum chat coaching. Like, "tone it down before you get policied, go contribute next time you're mentioned"

I could see cw doing it on purpose to see who would try to ask for a policy Elim. Which is why I wouldn't hate a joyboy vote either.

Hu Tao · Post Post #479 (isolation #49) » Thu Dec 21, 2023 6:52 am

In post 476, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
In post 472, Hu Tao wrote: Kyouko did you ever reply to my post asking if you see any similarities between this game and the smugglers game for HPE? I have a tendency to scumread HPE a lot, so not sure.
just now, that's why I've been rereading, though earlier I did mention in a long and roundabout way that my smugglers game experience did not help me learn how to read anyone - after I solved the mechs I was shitposting and not really paying attention - before then I was looking for some basic "paired/not paired" reads to help make a 3x3

That's fair

Hu Tao · Post Post #498 (isolation #50) » Thu Dec 21, 2023 9:20 am

In post 483, Flavor Leaf wrote: Vote when you’re ready.

Don’t let anyone scare ya into voting, sometimes i don’t vote by this time

Same

Hu Tao · Post Post #501 (isolation #51) » Thu Dec 21, 2023 9:27 am

I'm not sure who to vote anymore

Hu Tao · Post Post #509 (isolation #52) » Thu Dec 21, 2023 9:44 am

VOTE: Joyboy

Hu Tao · Post Post #596 (isolation #53) » Sat Dec 23, 2023 12:56 pm

Santa brought us coal for Christmas

Hu Tao · Post Post #597 (isolation #54) » Sat Dec 23, 2023 12:57 pm

In post 595, Pavowski wrote: Serious question, how much should we speculate on mech if at all? I'm more used to open / partially open setups but don't wanna jump the gun

I mean, cop is dead. Might as well discuss whatever now

Hu Tao · Post Post #629 (isolation #55) » Sat Dec 23, 2023 2:02 pm

In post 599, Pavowski wrote:
In post 509, Hu Tao wrote: VOTE: Joyboy
Can you explain this vote to me?

Yeah. I think I explained before the vote but let me check

Hu Tao · Post Post #633 (isolation #56) » Sat Dec 23, 2023 2:04 pm

In post 599, Pavowski wrote:
In post 509, Hu Tao wrote: VOTE: Joyboy
Can you explain this vote to me?

In post 469, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 457, cw357 wrote:
In post 247, Joyboy wrote: VOTE: CW
THIS MEAT IS TERRIBLE! HEALTHY BUT TERRIBLE!
LETS GET IT OUT OF HERE SO WE CAN GET TO THE GOOD MEAT TOMORROW
people who actively try to pl are auto-impostor
VOTE: Joyboy
I actually agree with this. Policy elims are terrible

In post 478, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 475, Laplacian wrote: Glad cw is back and toning down the memes. However, they pop back in within 30 minutes of Kyouko saying cw had valid thoughts. Could just be good timing, but I'm also thinking scum chat coaching. Like, "tone it down before you get policied, go contribute next time you're mentioned"
I could see cw doing it on purpose to see who would try to ask for a policy Elim. Which is why I wouldn't hate a joyboy vote either.

Hu Tao · Post Post #635 (isolation #57) » Sat Dec 23, 2023 2:11 pm

In post 601, Flavor Leaf wrote: Imagine a vigilante in this game shooting anybody but CW

I think cw started making sense later in the day though. But before then yes

Hu Tao · Post Post #636 (isolation #58) » Sat Dec 23, 2023 2:12 pm

In post 604, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 603, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
In post 108, Abnegation wrote:
In post 107, cw357 wrote:
In post 106, Laplacian wrote: Can we policy elim cw? Or modkill?
dont be sus
time to roleclaim
i hardclaim 1-shot dayvig.

dayvig: cw537

we were so close to perfection
Could be a sign CW is scum and threat killed Abnegation.

Probably not that reason. I'm guessing since most people scumread abneg later in the day

Hu Tao · Post Post #637 (isolation #59) » Sat Dec 23, 2023 2:12 pm

In post 606, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
In post 604, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 603, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
In post 108, Abnegation wrote:
In post 107, cw357 wrote:
In post 106, Laplacian wrote: Can we policy elim cw? Or modkill?
dont be sus
time to roleclaim
i hardclaim 1-shot dayvig.

dayvig: cw537

we were so close to perfection
Could be a sign CW is scum and threat killed Abnegation.

In post 605, Flavor Leaf wrote: VOTE: CW
This one doesn't really get this idea. Abne was widely scumread, and Thomith was generally townbinned (iirc). Abne was pretty vigged, not nightkilled.

Agreed. I don't think Thom would have been vigged in any scenario

Hu Tao · Post Post #638 (isolation #60) » Sat Dec 23, 2023 2:16 pm

In post 625, Flavor Leaf wrote: You can ask Hu Tao, claim Vanilla Day 1, FL will fade

True. He will even vote himself if he claims VT

Hu Tao · Post Post #639 (isolation #61) » Sat Dec 23, 2023 2:18 pm

I'm going to assume not all scum were on Lap. So it's probably easier to find the scum off the wagon.

Hu Tao · Post Post #641 (isolation #62) » Sat Dec 23, 2023 2:20 pm

Scum did kill off the wagon though. Unless Thom softed and was killed for that reason

Hu Tao · Post Post #642 (isolation #63) » Sat Dec 23, 2023 2:20 pm

In post 640, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 639, Hu Tao wrote: I'm going to assume not all scum were on Lap. So it's probably easier to find the scum off the wagon.
It could go either way. I think at least 1 scum. Dragon and I rushed the end, so

I feel this is a situation where we should go for who’s scummiest and not avoid going off wagon for the sake of it.

Yeah was just thinking that too

Hu Tao · Post Post #644 (isolation #64) » Sat Dec 23, 2023 2:22 pm

How come

Hu Tao · Post Post #649 (isolation #65) » Sat Dec 23, 2023 4:14 pm

VOTE: Joyboy

Hu Tao · Post Post #653 (isolation #66) » Sat Dec 23, 2023 5:49 pm

In post 650, cw357 wrote: I'm going to make a barrage of posts here cuz why not

First of all I would like to make something very clear:
The only reason I stopped amogus-posting and calling people "big daddy" and threatening to kidnap them, etc. was because the site mods threatened me with a ban. I'm not an idiot nor am I a newbie (on other sites) and I don't need to be told how to play by a theoretical scum partner, I would just ignore them. Thus this pretty much puts the "scumpartner told cw to cool it" theory dead in the water.

My top 4 scum picks right now are DE/HPE/Flavor/Joyboy, will elaborate

I checked your previous game day 1 and I figured you might be doing it for a reason, so I didn't say anything. Since you posted normally there

Hu Tao · Post Post #656 (isolation #67) » Sat Dec 23, 2023 5:57 pm

Hu Tao · Post Post #657 (isolation #68) » Sat Dec 23, 2023 5:58 pm

Also I agree joyboy seems the best vote today so far

Hu Tao · Post Post #669 (isolation #69) » Sat Dec 23, 2023 6:12 pm

In post 662, Flavor Leaf wrote: We could just be town vs town.

I still think they’re a big liability for the day.

I'm thinking you could be town vs town. Which is why I think joyboy has to be scum in that case. I just don't see a scenario he's town this game. But maybe I'm tunneled idk

Hu Tao · Post Post #671 (isolation #70) » Sat Dec 23, 2023 6:12 pm

In post 663, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 659, DragonEater70 wrote:
In post 601, Flavor Leaf wrote: Imagine a vigilante in this game shooting anybody but CW
I imagine the vigilante was hard scumreading Abneg
Yeah you should probs Vig Hu Tao or CW tonight.

Hu Tao · Post Post #673 (isolation #71) » Sat Dec 23, 2023 6:15 pm

In post 665, DragonEater70 wrote:
In post 635, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 601, Flavor Leaf wrote: Imagine a vigilante in this game shooting anybody but CW
I think cw started making sense later in the day though. But before then yes
Which quote of cw made sense to you?

Look at his iso. 457 and onward he started making sense

Hu Tao · Post Post #679 (isolation #72) » Sat Dec 23, 2023 6:21 pm

In post 666, Flavor Leaf wrote: I can kinda see a world where Joyboy is scum, but I do think, if Joyboy is town, that’s a very low info fade that scum would want today.

I'm okay with going for another vote but I think joyboy should be vigged then at the very least.

Hu Tao · Post Post #683 (isolation #73) » Sat Dec 23, 2023 6:22 pm

By making sense, I'm not saying I agree. Just saying he's not trolling anymore

Hu Tao · Post Post #694 (isolation #74) » Sat Dec 23, 2023 6:26 pm

In post 686, DragonEater70 wrote:
In post 683, Hu Tao wrote: By making sense, I'm not saying I agree. Just saying he's not trolling anymore
Why does that make them town?

I'm not 100% on them being town. I thought originally doing the trolling as a way of baiting scum into pushing for a policy elimination

Hu Tao · Post Post #698 (isolation #75) » Sat Dec 23, 2023 6:27 pm

But I don't really think they are scum tho

Hu Tao · Post Post #783 (isolation #76) » Sat Dec 23, 2023 7:29 pm

In post 706, Joyboy wrote: COME AT ME!
I'LL FIGHT ALL OF YOU!

This isn't very Luffy like.

Hu Tao · Post Post #793 (isolation #77) » Sat Dec 23, 2023 7:33 pm

In post 723, DragonEater70 wrote: Fun fact:

When Flavor said I should vig cw, I wanted to respond with "I agree, you should vig cw tonight while I stay home like a good townie", but I didn't because I thought that moght make people think I'm actually the vig

Anyhow, VOTE: Flavor

He's not a N1 vig.

Hu Tao · Post Post #800 (isolation #78) » Sat Dec 23, 2023 7:35 pm

In post 740, DragonEater70 wrote:
@mod could you please confirm there's no error in the wiki, in setup creation or in the tagging of the setup as Simple, and that N1 roles are impossible in this game?

Oh wait. You're serious in your scumread of FL for that? I thought it was a joke

Hu Tao · Post Post #801 (isolation #79) » Sat Dec 23, 2023 7:36 pm

In post 745, DragonEater70 wrote:
In post 741, Flavor Leaf wrote: Night 1’s not my modifier, just wanted to WIFOM scum to have them wonder if I have another shot or not.

You looking scared, DragonEater.

I was 100% making it look like it was you. You been trying to pocket me all game.
Scared about what

I correctly read you as the vig, just voted you cause your claim made no sense

UNVOTE:

Oh okay figured

Hu Tao · Post Post #807 (isolation #80) » Sat Dec 23, 2023 7:40 pm

In post 752, Flavor Leaf wrote: Can we kill CW now so I don’t have to waste a potential vig kill if i have one on them?

Do you not think joyboy is basically trolling worse than cw was now? I'm fine with cw vote out with joyboy vig shot though if it comes down to it.

Hu Tao · Post Post #811 (isolation #81) » Sat Dec 23, 2023 7:42 pm

In post 763, cw357 wrote: Flavor/HPE/DE have no opinions, all they care about is getting rid of town as non-suspiciously as possible and coordinating their votes to do so

Do you really think all 3 scum would be pushing you? Also thought you had joyboy scum?

Hu Tao · Post Post #819 (isolation #82) » Sat Dec 23, 2023 7:46 pm

In post 779, Purplemango wrote:
In post 714, Joyboy wrote: VOTE: PURPLE
FIGHT ME!!!!
I missed that you voted for me, is it serious? If so, is there a particular reason?
(I probably won't answer too much because I'm at school)
Also what does fight means

This is so funny and wholesome to me for some reason

Hu Tao · Post Post #820 (isolation #83) » Sat Dec 23, 2023 7:47 pm

In post 788, Flavor Leaf wrote: @Hu Tao - bus your buddy and I’ll shoot somewhere else tonight so you can still talk your way out of it

Okay which is my buddy

Hu Tao · Post Post #822 (isolation #84) » Sat Dec 23, 2023 7:48 pm

In post 792, cw357 wrote: Why is flavor confirmed town?

You've clearly played mafia before... why would there be a 2nd kill?

Hu Tao · Post Post #826 (isolation #85) » Sat Dec 23, 2023 7:50 pm

In post 817, DragonEater70 wrote: UNVOTE: cw

Reading HPE's purple quotes helped me realize they are probably both town. Maybe.

Kinda want to vote Gera

Is Gera any different as scum? Cause he's the same as his town games so far

Hu Tao · Post Post #833 (isolation #86) » Sat Dec 23, 2023 7:54 pm

In post 829, Flavor Leaf wrote: I am vetoing Geraint, Purple, Joyboy,

They are the lowest info slots, personally, they become super easy to read (low info slots). So i think we should get someone higher profile today.

I'm fine with that. I agree info is key with our cop gone

Hu Tao · Post Post #839 (isolation #87) » Sat Dec 23, 2023 7:57 pm

In post 831, Flavor Leaf wrote: Pav’s alright.

So here’s the thing,

If we’re in a world where it’s 3 town, 3 scum, and CW is there as a 4th town, do we trust CW to vote correctly in that situation?

This is also a fair point.

Hu Tao · Post Post #840 (isolation #88) » Sat Dec 23, 2023 8:01 pm

Only reads I'm comfortable with right now is Flavor and dragon Town. Joyboy is sus but I'm not 100% on him being scum

Hu Tao · Post Post #844 (isolation #89) » Sat Dec 23, 2023 8:19 pm

In post 842, Flavor Leaf wrote: I’m not entirely comfortable with Dragon for town right now.

There’s a world where it’s Dragon-CW even.

Look how Dragon immediately started softing something like 1-shot BP too, and they are doing a lot to try and find someone other than CW.

I think that's just him not trying to be vigged not worth stressing over. Thoughts on kyouko?

Hu Tao · Post Post #880 (isolation #90) » Sun Dec 24, 2023 4:11 am

In post 854, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 852, DragonEater70 wrote: Hmm

Why's Kyou scum?
The lap push feels off on a reread. I just reread most of the game, and Lap was doing a good amount of work. And i was town reading it.

I don’t think i realized how much people were discrediting them.

This is how I felt day 1. It's why I said kyouko felt off to me

Hu Tao · Post Post #881 (isolation #91) » Sun Dec 24, 2023 4:13 am

In post 864, DragonEater70 wrote:
In post 861, Purplemango wrote: Why pav is scum?
Here's why:
In post 863, Pavowski wrote:
In post 718, DragonEater70 wrote:
In post 710, Flavor Leaf wrote: You know what, maybe I’ll make this easier for yall

I’m a Night 1 Vig. I killed Abnegation.

I’ve been playing this day phase trying to act like it wasn’t me, so I could pull this out later, but I’m ready to play as IC.
Is this a serious claim?
Trying to catch up this morning and this is the strangest thing. Why make like you're gonna scumcase Abnegation next day then shoot overnight? You didn't "act like it wasn't you" for very long, some of the plist hasn't even checked in yet

Hu Tao · Post Post #882 (isolation #92) » Sun Dec 24, 2023 4:18 am

I guess I wouldn't hate a pav vote either

Hu Tao · Post Post #889 (isolation #93) » Sun Dec 24, 2023 4:59 am

In post 887, cw357 wrote: im still pissed that I was (presumably?) wrong about flavor
UNVOTE:

How does this change your reads

Hu Tao · Post Post #904 (isolation #94) » Sun Dec 24, 2023 9:45 am

In post 890, Pavowski wrote:
In post 882, Hu Tao wrote: I guess I wouldn't hate a pav vote either

In post 883, DragonEater70 wrote:
In post 870, Pavowski wrote: I promise I'm not deliberately spamming the thread, but I hate wall posting. Between my last post and some notes I took at the end of d1 when I got home and the thread was locked have me really considering Purple/Dragon as two of the three scum (It would be 3 in a normal, right?). And given they know each other IRL...

scum!Purple / scum!Dragon works
town!Purple / scum!Dragon works
scum!Purple / town!Dragon doesn't work
town!Purple / town!Dragon could work but that means I have to find 3 scum in HPE, Kyouko, Joy, CW, Gera, Hu Tao. Possible? Yes. Likely? Feels like no.

Purple, what's your take on Dragon right now?

In post 871, Flavor Leaf wrote: I don’t get the relation between the two.

Dragon was goading purple into voting on Day 1, though, and i think purple lack of voting is kinda townie
There's no relation

Pav isn't making sense and is just trying to divert attention elsewhere, IMO
This.

Specifically I don't think Ive said much of anything about Hu or Dragon but this morning I say they could both be scum and suddenly Hu could go for a pav vote and you say I'm diverting and not making sense even though I think my read on you/purple is pretty basic.

So yes, I found these posts funny.

Why am I scum before this?

Hu Tao · Post Post #905 (isolation #95) » Sun Dec 24, 2023 9:45 am

In post 893, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
In post 741, Flavor Leaf wrote: Night 1’s not my modifier, just wanted to WIFOM scum to have them wonder if I have another shot or not.

You looking scared, DragonEater.

I was 100% making it look like it was you. You been trying to pocket me all game.
VOTE: FL

No way

Hu Tao · Post Post #906 (isolation #96) » Sun Dec 24, 2023 9:48 am

In post 896, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
In post 12, Thomith wrote:
In post 10, Purplemango wrote:
In post 7, DragonEater70 wrote: Hi!

I'm going to sheep Flavor Leaf Day 1 because I am lazy
What does sheep someone mean?
Follow them.
Basically DE70 is not going to have an opinion of his own today and will just do what Flavor does.

In post 16, Thomith wrote:
In post 14, DragonEater70 wrote:
In post 12, Thomith wrote:
In post 10, Purplemango wrote:
In post 7, DragonEater70 wrote: Hi!

I'm going to sheep Flavor Leaf Day 1 because I am lazy
What does sheep someone mean?
Follow them.
Basically DE70 is not going to have an opinion of his own today and will just do what Flavor does.
I will have an opinion, I just won't try very hard to push it
I know I was just giving you shit
Damn it Thomith... FBI, really?

How did you even see that? I had to look it over like 5 times to see what you even meant by that

Hu Tao · Post Post #907 (isolation #97) » Sun Dec 24, 2023 9:49 am

In post 898, Pavowski wrote:
In post 896, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
In post 12, Thomith wrote:
In post 10, Purplemango wrote:
In post 7, DragonEater70 wrote: Hi!

I'm going to sheep Flavor Leaf Day 1 because I am lazy
What does sheep someone mean?
Follow them.
Basically DE70 is not going to have an opinion of his own today and will just do what Flavor does.

In post 16, Thomith wrote:
In post 14, DragonEater70 wrote:
In post 12, Thomith wrote:
In post 10, Purplemango wrote:
In post 7, DragonEater70 wrote: Hi!

I'm going to sheep Flavor Leaf Day 1 because I am lazy
What does sheep someone mean?
Follow them.
Basically DE70 is not going to have an opinion of his own today and will just do what Flavor does.
I will have an opinion, I just won't try very hard to push it
I know I was just giving you shit
Damn it Thomith... FBI, really?
It's moments like this that make me realize I am not meant for this game

Maybe me too

Hu Tao · Post Post #909 (isolation #98) » Sun Dec 24, 2023 10:05 am

Can someone voting dragon explain that? I don't see it

Hu Tao · Post Post #911 (isolation #99) » Sun Dec 24, 2023 10:08 am

Kyouko posted the cop soft that Thom did

Hu Tao · Sun Dec 24, 2023 11:25 am

In post 915, Pavowski wrote: Speaking of Geraint, where is that dude

Holiday probably

Hu Tao · Sun Dec 24, 2023 11:29 am

In post 919, cw357 wrote:
MY READS

WELCOME TO AMOGUS CITY

He got that drip frfr

The nice list
Flavor
Pavowski
Joyboy

The neutral list
HighPrincessErinys
geraintm
Purplemango

The naught list (impostors are venting and sabotaging our tasks like taking care of navigation but then the oxygen starts to run out??!?!?!??!!)
Kyouku
DragonEater
Hu Tao

further developments could cause me to downgrade either joyboy or purplemango and swap them with a scumread, unlikely though

T
A
K
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I
T
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Unfortunately 1 and probably 2 of your scumreads are wrong. So might need to rethink it

Hu Tao · Sun Dec 24, 2023 11:55 am

In post 929, Pavowski wrote:
In post 926, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 919, cw357 wrote:
MY READS

WELCOME TO AMOGUS CITY

He got that drip frfr

The nice list
Flavor
Pavowski
Joyboy

The neutral list
HighPrincessErinys
geraintm
Purplemango

The naught list (impostors are venting and sabotaging our tasks like taking care of navigation but then the oxygen starts to run out??!?!?!??!!)
Kyouku
DragonEater
Hu Tao

further developments could cause me to downgrade either joyboy or purplemango and swap them with a scumread, unlikely though

T
A
K
E
I
T
O
R
L
E[color=#0040FF]A[color=#00FFFF]V[color=#FFFFFF]E [color=#800000]I[color=#408040]T
[/color][/color][/color][/color][/color]

Unfortunately 1 and probably 2 of your scumreads are wrong. So might need to rethink it
See it's posts like this that make it hard for me to TR you. The 1 is presumably yourself, The other is .... ?? You tell CW to rethink but offer nothing to help the process along

I've said my reads, flavor and dragon Town

Hu Tao · Post Post #942 (isolation #103) » Sun Dec 24, 2023 4:45 pm

I've been town reading dragon since day 1

Hu Tao · Post Post #948 (isolation #104) » Sun Dec 24, 2023 7:55 pm

In post 943, Flavor Leaf wrote: I think I’m still team fade CW

If he's town and we don't vote out town today I think we lose tomorrow. Because he will push on me or dragon tomorrow. So I agree.

Hu Tao · Post Post #949 (isolation #105) » Sun Dec 24, 2023 7:57 pm

In post 948, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 943, Flavor Leaf wrote: I think I’m still team fade CW
If he's town and we don't vote him out today and vote out town today I think we lose tomorrow. Because he will push on me or dragon tomorrow. So I agree.

Fixed

Hu Tao · Post Post #971 (isolation #106) » Mon Dec 25, 2023 9:19 am

In post 959, Flavor Leaf wrote: I feel I was close to a full solve with CW, Pavowski, HPE. HPE’s AtE is strong, though, so I think they could be town, but then there’s a scum in the lurkers, so

I don't think cw and joyboy are scum together. So if cw is scum I think it's Gera in the lurkers. I'm not sure.

Hu Tao · Post Post #972 (isolation #107) » Mon Dec 25, 2023 9:21 am

In post 964, cw357 wrote:
In post 949, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 948, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 943, Flavor Leaf wrote: I think I’m still team fade CW
If he's town and we don't vote him out today and vote out town today I think we lose tomorrow. Because he will push on me or dragon tomorrow. So I agree.
Fixed
lol this is the most blatant de/hu Tao w/w post I’ve seen yet

How so?

Hu Tao · Post Post #973 (isolation #108) » Mon Dec 25, 2023 9:22 am

In post 967, DragonEater70 wrote: If all my town reads are correct (which is 100% not the case), then the following are town:
Purple, Flavor, Dragon, HPE, cw, Kyouko, Hu Tao

Meaning the scum team is exactly Gera/Pav/Joyboy

However like I said this is incorrect

What I think is pretty likely is there's 0 scum in Purple/Dragon/Flavor/Kyo, 1 scum in cw/HPE/Hu Tao, and 2 scum in Gera/Pav/Joyboy

Pav is my most confident SR but I would 100% go for Gera/Joyboy. I think fading one and vigging another out of these three will give us a scum flip 95% of the time.

I don't hate this plan

Hu Tao · Post Post #974 (isolation #109) » Mon Dec 25, 2023 9:23 am

In post 968, DragonEater70 wrote:
In post 589, D1 Final VC wrote:
Votecount 1.6

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to eliminate. Day 1 ends in (expired on 2024-01-02 07:27:34).

Votecount
Laplacian
(7)
-
ssbm_kyouko
,
Abnegation
, Pavowski, HighPrincessErinys, geraintm,
DragonEater70
,
Flavor Leaf

Joyboy (2)
- cw357, Hu Tao

cw357 (1)
- Joyboy

HighPrincessErinys (1)
-
Laplacian

Not Voting (2)
-
Purplemango
,
Thomith

Flavour

Dark green - conftown
Light green - confident these are town / conftown FMPOV only

Based on this we can rule out HPE/Pav/Gera scum team as well as Hu/cw/Joy scum team. However cw and Hu Tao have individually high partner equity with Joyboy (distancing).

Pav's vote looks less opportunistic than I remembered.

Maybe the solve is like 2 out of cw/Joy/Hu Tao + 1 out of HPE/Gera. I need to look at combined ISOs to confirm likelihood of this.

Okay let's go joyboy if you think I'm just scum bussing.

Hu Tao · Post Post #975 (isolation #110) » Mon Dec 25, 2023 9:23 am

In post 969, DragonEater70 wrote: Okay Hu Tao is never scum with Joyboy (and on reread of ISO is town)

Hu Tao · Post Post #976 (isolation #111) » Mon Dec 25, 2023 9:24 am

Are you calling me or joyboy town there?

Hu Tao · Post Post #979 (isolation #112) » Mon Dec 25, 2023 1:02 pm

In post 978, Flavor Leaf wrote: If CW is town, and Hu Tao/Dragon town, if I’m dead, CW voting one of Hu Tao/Dragon is game over.

Yep pretty much what will happen imo

Hu Tao · Post Post #981 (isolation #113) » Mon Dec 25, 2023 2:09 pm

Merry Christmas to all

Hu Tao · Post Post #983 (isolation #114) » Mon Dec 25, 2023 2:15 pm

How terrible would a mass claim be right now. Because as of right now, I feel like if we don't get scum today or by vig shot, we lose effectively.

Hu Tao · Post Post #987 (isolation #115) » Mon Dec 25, 2023 2:41 pm

In post 985, cw357 wrote: i am vt

not opposed to a hu tao wagon, who's feeling it?

maybe hu tao/dragon/hpe is scumteam?

If I'm scum why would you listen to me and claim?

Mostly was asking flavor since he's the clear

Hu Tao · Mon Dec 25, 2023 5:26 pm

In post 999, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 997, Pavowski wrote:
In post 989, Flavor Leaf wrote: Pavowski/cw and Hu Tao/DragonEater are an obv split.

If we fade in Hu Tao/DE, I’m vigging Pavowski if they flip town, and vice versa.
Wait what? I misread or I'm just being stupid. If Hu Tao/DE flips town you vig me, but what's the vice versa -- if you flip me/CW town you'll shoot Hu Tao/ DE?
yeah probably Hu Tao.

Hu Tao · Mon Dec 25, 2023 5:33 pm

In post 1000, Pavowski wrote: Rather you shoot Dragon if you flip me/CW today but you do you boo

Maybe somebody can change my mind over the coming days, tho

I'm re-voting Dragon tomorrow

Shooting in dragon and and me seems terrible regardless of the vote today.

Hu Tao · Mon Dec 25, 2023 5:41 pm

In post 1022, Flavor Leaf wrote: Me knowing that Hu Tao could easily be trying to get me to town read them and avoid being vigged is one of the things keeping me from fully scum reading Pavowski, though. I also think it's possible it's a ScumPav, TownKyouko.

I'm town and I don't want to be vigged. Because I feel the game is in a tough state and I trust myself to solve it. It's like that one game where you were Miller and I had to find the remaining 3 scum with no misvotes remaining, and was able to do so. I trust myself to do the same here if we flip town today

Hu Tao · Mon Dec 25, 2023 5:45 pm

In post 1025, Flavor Leaf wrote: we got over a week, we can wait it out and make players like joyboy/geraint/purple come in and give thoughts. id like to hear from them/talk to them directly.

I agree

Hu Tao · Mon Dec 25, 2023 5:48 pm

In post 1033, cw357 wrote:
In post 983, Hu Tao wrote: How terrible would a mass claim be right now. Because as of right now, I feel like if we don't get scum today or by vig shot, we lose effectively.
lmfao are u just pr hunting now?
VOTE: Hu Tao (although I think I already did iirc)

?? You agreed and then complain now after I questioned you?

Hu Tao · Tue Dec 26, 2023 5:39 am

In post 1082, Flavor Leaf wrote: Why is CW so hard to get?

Because scum and town both are defending. This means scum don’t want CW faded.

It implies that CW is scum, or town who is expected to help scum win.

I think that flip is best here.

After thinking it over I think you're right. If he's town which he might be, scum want him to vote in me/dragon tomorrow.

Hu Tao · Tue Dec 26, 2023 5:41 am

In post 1089, Flavor Leaf wrote: I see CW-Hu Tao as slightly more likely than CW-Pav, but the fact I feel em both in addition to the way CW discredits, and the extreme manipulativeness potential I see from them, and the way this game started, I see CW as pretty likely to be scum.

They also pounced on Hu Tao for 'fishing' when they were hard pushing it earlier, and consistently claimed Vanilla.

Okay let's go cw then. And I think shoot pav.

Hu Tao · Tue Dec 26, 2023 5:45 am

In post 1094, Flavor Leaf wrote: Hu Tao, can you talk about the PV/CW - Hu Tao/DragonEater dynamics to me? What are your thoughts on the 4 of you, not necessarily your read, but your thoughts on the 2 v 2 as a general thing.

I think that cw is probably town but will vote wrong tomorrow so he needs to go. Still a small chance he flips scum so better now then later. Pav seems to be the one who does soft defenses of cw so I think he could be the scum that wants cw alive for tomorrow.

In terms of Dragon and me. Could dragon ve pocketing me? Idk, I don't think so. Last time I played with dragon scum he was obvious and I called it day 1. I don't see that here. I think it's weird cw tries to push that me and dragon are a pair and his read seems very surface level which is why I think there is a chance cw flips scum.

Hu Tao · Tue Dec 26, 2023 5:46 am

In post 1098, DragonEater70 wrote:
In post 1090, Flavor Leaf wrote: i just generally feel Pav's got a sense of 'if i gotta die, i gotta die, but im gonna fight trying' in a townie way, and not a scummy way.
I also saw that and it definitely gave me pause, but I feel this is more posturing about fighting than actually fighting? Like if he really had this attitude I'd expect him to push me / Hu Tao more and make sure that the "right" lim/kill happens after he dies, but instead he's like "oh okay cool you wanna kill me today? I believe in you town".

It's fake.

Thing is. Pav doesn't need to push us. Cw is doing it for him. So that's why it seems he has no need to fight it

Hu Tao · Tue Dec 26, 2023 5:48 am

In post 1110, Pavowski wrote: Never mind that was Hu Tao, damn these H names

I mentally got you and purple mixed up a few times too

Hu Tao · Tue Dec 26, 2023 7:17 am

In post 1119, DragonEater70 wrote:
In post 1114, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 1098, DragonEater70 wrote:
In post 1090, Flavor Leaf wrote: i just generally feel Pav's got a sense of 'if i gotta die, i gotta die, but im gonna fight trying' in a townie way, and not a scummy way.
I also saw that and it definitely gave me pause, but I feel this is more posturing about fighting than actually fighting? Like if he really had this attitude I'd expect him to push me / Hu Tao more and make sure that the "right" lim/kill happens after he dies, but instead he's like "oh okay cool you wanna kill me today? I believe in you town".

It's fake.
Thing is. Pav doesn't need to push us. Cw is doing it for him. So that's why it seems he has no need to fight it
You're saying this from a scum!Pav / town!cw perpective?

Yes

Hu Tao · Tue Dec 26, 2023 7:17 am

In post 1118, DragonEater70 wrote:
In post 1113, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 1094, Flavor Leaf wrote: Hu Tao, can you talk about the PV/CW - Hu Tao/DragonEater dynamics to me? What are your thoughts on the 4 of you, not necessarily your read, but your thoughts on the 2 v 2 as a general thing.
I think that cw is probably town but will vote wrong tomorrow so he needs to go. Still a small chance he flips scum so better now then later. Pav seems to be the one who does soft defenses of cw so I think he could be the scum that wants cw alive for tomorrow.

In terms of Dragon and me. Could dragon ve pocketing me? Idk, I don't think so. Last time I played with dragon scum he was obvious and I called it day 1. I don't see that here. I think it's weird cw tries to push that me and dragon are a pair and his read seems very surface level which is why I think there is a chance cw flips scum.
I'm gonna locktown Hu Tao

So that makes 4 I'm never voting - Purple, Flavor, Hu Tao and myself.

Why is purple town?

Hu Tao · Tue Dec 26, 2023 7:25 am

Since we have a cop and vig. I'm guessing scum have 2 strong pr as well. So it's possible there is a scum that is being bussed by their teammates.

Hu Tao · Tue Dec 26, 2023 8:24 am

In post 1135, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
In post 1118, DragonEater70 wrote:
In post 1113, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 1094, Flavor Leaf wrote: Hu Tao, can you talk about the PV/CW - Hu Tao/DragonEater dynamics to me? What are your thoughts on the 4 of you, not necessarily your read, but your thoughts on the 2 v 2 as a general thing.
I think that cw is probably town but will vote wrong tomorrow so he needs to go. Still a small chance he flips scum so better now then later. Pav seems to be the one who does soft defenses of cw so I think he could be the scum that wants cw alive for tomorrow.

In terms of Dragon and me. Could dragon ve pocketing me? Idk, I don't think so. Last time I played with dragon scum he was obvious and I called it day 1. I don't see that here. I think it's weird cw tries to push that me and dragon are a pair and his read seems very surface level which is why I think there is a chance cw flips scum.
I'm gonna locktown Hu Tao

So that makes 4 I'm never voting - Purple, Flavor, Hu Tao and myself.
Can you explain why Hu Tao is town? I agree with the points I'm reading from cw against Hu Tao, but I have been severely tunneled in this game up until today. Specifically you mentioned it looks like cw is opening ISOs and ignoring context, and maybe because I've been tunneled I'm missing the fact that context is missing?

I feel in isolation and without fact-checking them that the cw posts about scum!HT make sense. Flavor being conftown and Laplacian flipping town really turns this game upside down for me. I also noticed about Thomith a few days ago when looking at his ISO that from the way he talked about Hu Tao I'm pretty sure he was banking on investigating them. I haven't looked for their meta together yet but it might be HT had reason to believe that could happen if they've played together in games where Thomith was an investigative before

Didn't you call me town day 1? And you're telling me that you think I'm scum now cause of points cw of all people brought up? I don't believe this at all

Hu Tao · Tue Dec 26, 2023 8:25 am

I've played 1 game with Thom before. I fooled them when I was scum. So I'd keep them alive again if I was scum tbh.

Hu Tao · Tue Dec 26, 2023 8:26 am

In post 1137, DragonEater70 wrote:
In post 1134, Hu Tao wrote: Since we have a cop and vig. I'm guessing scum have 2 strong pr as well. So it's possible there is a scum that is being bussed by their teammates.
Who do you think is bussing / being bussed?

I'm not sure. Which is why I want more inactives to talk.

Hu Tao · Tue Dec 26, 2023 8:26 am

In post 1140, Pavowski wrote: Ok Dragon, what would scum!Purple be doing here?

Self vote is disgusting, hard to read that as towny right here

Is CW even close to getting yeeted right now? Lot of people talking about voting there but how many are actually there? Such a weird thing to do

If scum you're throwing, boo, hiss
If town you should make it as hard for scum as possible, there's like no chance you get limmed by town alone

Eh. I've self voted as town before. It's not the worst thing

Hu Tao · Tue Dec 26, 2023 9:12 am

In post 1162, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: I don't remember having a strong read on you tbh. Maybe I did say you were town? I'm pretty much resetting though. I think cw's posts make sense without context, like I said. Why do you say "cw
of all people
"? Sounds like discrediting to me, why is it significant that he made the case against you?

He went from tunneling flavor and dragon as a pair to tunneling me and dragon as a pair after flavor was confirmed town.

Hu Tao · Tue Dec 26, 2023 9:49 am

In post 1167, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
In post 1166, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 1162, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: I don't remember having a strong read on you tbh. Maybe I did say you were town? I'm pretty much resetting though. I think cw's posts make sense without context, like I said. Why do you say "cw
of all people
"? Sounds like discrediting to me, why is it significant that he made the case against you?
He went from tunneling flavor and dragon as a pair to tunneling me and dragon as a pair after flavor was confirmed town.
this makes sense too - do you think he's partnered with Dragon or something, or did he flip around a read on you from before?

No. I think he's just tunneling dragon and dragon is town. And he saw me town reading dragon so said we were partners. Cw could be town, likely is. But if he makes it to tomorrow he's gonna vote me or dragon and we will lose assuming we don't hit scum today.

Hu Tao · Tue Dec 26, 2023 9:50 am

In post 1169, DragonEater70 wrote: Flavor halp me

I can't read Gera

Same

Hu Tao · Tue Dec 26, 2023 9:50 am

Gera has acted like this as town so I think at the very least it's nai

Hu Tao · Tue Dec 26, 2023 9:53 am

In post 983, Hu Tao wrote: How terrible would a mass claim be right now. Because as of right now, I feel like if we don't get scum today or by vig shot, we lose effectively.

In post 985, cw357 wrote: i am vt

not opposed to a hu tao wagon, who's feeling it?

maybe hu tao/dragon/hpe is scumteam?

In post 987, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 985, cw357 wrote: i am vt

not opposed to a hu tao wagon, who's feeling it?

maybe hu tao/dragon/hpe is scumteam?
If I'm scum why would you listen to me and claim?

Mostly was asking flavor since he's the clear

In post 1050, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 1033, cw357 wrote:
In post 983, Hu Tao wrote: How terrible would a mass claim be right now. Because as of right now, I feel like if we don't get scum today or by vig shot, we lose effectively.
lmfao are u just pr hunting now?
VOTE: Hu Tao (although I think I already did iirc)
?? You agreed and then complain now after I questioned you?

Kyouko. Thoughts on this interaction with cw?

Hu Tao · Tue Dec 26, 2023 12:19 pm

VOTE: Cw

I don't trust cw in a scenario where we need to vote right to win tomorrow. I think I've explained it already. I also think he just might flip scum

Hu Tao · Tue Dec 26, 2023 2:05 pm

In post 1217, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: I just also don't believe DE goes through this much effort as scum after that Normal game we just finished where he was scum - I think it was 2315. T3's "Flavorless Hell"

Yep. I made this point earlier

Hu Tao · Wed Dec 27, 2023 9:09 am

Hu Tao · Wed Dec 27, 2023 9:12 am

I agree but I've stated it like 5 times already today it feels like

Hu Tao · Wed Dec 27, 2023 9:13 am

Based on those choices cw is the vote. Vig should be pav or joyboy imo. But I'm willing to compromise on vig choices. Only person I 100% think is town here is dragon. This isn't his scum game.

Hu Tao · Wed Dec 27, 2023 11:02 am

In post 1282, Pavowski wrote: 100% agree a red flip on CW looks rough on Kyo right now FMPOV

And I already think Hu Tao is more likely scum than not, how Dragon has that slot as locktown is ? ? ?

Okay yeah. We need to hit scum today cause we lose 100% tomorrow if people think I'm scum here.

Hu Tao · Wed Dec 27, 2023 11:05 am

In post 1311, HighPrincessErinys wrote: Been already losing steam in this lategame but holy shit is this getting convoluted.

I agree. Maybe it's the holidays though

Hu Tao · Wed Dec 27, 2023 11:06 am

In post 1324, Flavor Leaf wrote: I think Pavowski fade is scum beneficial because it keeps CW-HuTao/DE alive.

It also makes it likely that I vig CW specifically, so scum felt safer going outside of CW so I would vig there.

I also agree with this. Which is why i wanted cw as the vote instead.

Hu Tao · Wed Dec 27, 2023 11:08 am

In post 1332, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
In post 1316, Flavor Leaf wrote: can you give me a short list for everyone?

Flavor Leaf

cw357
(but needs to Get Real or Get Dead)

DragonEater70

Hu Tao
ssbm_Kyouko (this one needs to bother reading her iso so fucking bad)
Purplemango

geraintm

Joyboy

Pavowski

Purplemango feels the best out of the 3 lurkers but all of them really, really need to start contributing.

Why do you have Gera below the lurkers? And why is purple the best out of the other 3 lurkers?

Hu Tao · Wed Dec 27, 2023 11:09 am

In post 1335, Flavor Leaf wrote: I am leaning Kyouko + Hu Tao + Geraint, but i dont want to preassociate that deep just yet.

I'm thinking at this point the game is doomed. Mostly cause I'm not even sure who scum is at this point. But I'm thinking an Elim and vig should clear some things up I hope.

Hu Tao · Wed Dec 27, 2023 11:10 am

In post 1339, DragonEater70 wrote: I kinda thought the claim at E-3 was towny

Same. But then again I didn't see the scumread from the beginning for lap

Hu Tao · Wed Dec 27, 2023 11:15 am

If your vig shot goes off its 7 left. If it doesn't go off it's 8 left. Assuming 3 scum and we don't get scum today then I just assume the lurkers vote me and we lose.

Hu Tao · Wed Dec 27, 2023 11:19 am

My thoughts are: Cw scumread me. If he's scum he just needs a town lurker to vote me. If he's town then scum just jumps on.

I'm assuming scum aren't 3 lurkers

Hu Tao · Wed Dec 27, 2023 11:20 am

In post 1360, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 283, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 254, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: It'd be weirdly straightforward but it feels like it could just be {Laplacian, DE, ???}

Dragon feels like he wants anything
but
for the focus to be on Laplacian and Laplacian feels like he knows he's toast and is trying to Distance from DE before he goes down
This is wild because I feel like we see things completely different right now. I don't think dragon is that scummy ATM.

In post 290, Hu Tao wrote: Okay I need someone who scumreads lap to explain the lap scumread. Preferably Kyouko. I feel like I usually see eye to eye with her but this game, I'm not. I haven't seen her as scum yet so I'm a bit worried about that tbh.

this is actually very telling if you are town, Hu Tao.

Yeah. I'm not against the kyo vote since I did say she seemed different day 1

Hu Tao · Wed Dec 27, 2023 11:21 am

Yeah. You're right. I guess I'm worried about worst case scenario which doesn't help.

Hu Tao · Wed Dec 27, 2023 2:24 pm

UNVOTE:

Hu Tao · Wed Dec 27, 2023 2:24 pm

Actually I'll just take it to e-2 VOTE: Kyouko

Hu Tao · Wed Dec 27, 2023 2:34 pm

Kyouko already said she'd be fine being vigged so I don't think she can claim pr.

Hu Tao · Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:27 pm

In post 1380, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: Dragon can you unvote so I can pull my meta tomorrow? Don't have time tonight - I am probably very obviously town here but I need to find games where I tunneled as scum and as town for yall to compare

I'll just unvote, it's fine

UNVOTE:

Hu Tao · Wed Dec 27, 2023 5:10 pm

I don't envy your decision making here

Hu Tao · Thu Dec 28, 2023 5:38 am

Well it looks like we are waiting for a replacement for joyboy anyway

Hu Tao · Thu Dec 28, 2023 10:30 am

In post 1485, Flavor Leaf wrote: Yeah, i think it’s scum indicative of one of Dragon/Hu Tao regardless of Kyouko’s alignment.

Idk which though

Not sure what that has to do with me

Hu Tao · Thu Dec 28, 2023 10:31 am

In post 1486, HighPrincessErinys wrote: Actually fucking yeah thinking about the wagon shifts is giving me a brain blast. Kyouko/Hu Tao/Pavowski team feels very possible with Pavowski re-voting and trying to play it cool and not look too suspect after HT also gets off. Maybe this one is overlooking the possibility of Dragon since he's a townlean for it and needed a nudge from Kyouko (and similarly to Pav, has said it's only a temporary unvote) but even then it feels like there's BARE MINIMUM 2 scum in Kyouko/Pav/HT/Dragon.

I removed my vote as a gesture. Especially since joyboy was getting replaced anyway, day wasn't ending

Hu Tao · Thu Dec 28, 2023 10:32 am

In post 1489, Flavor Leaf wrote: It’s the way they both wanted people to know they are very much still on the wagon. But they literally aren’t

VOTE: kyouko

Hu Tao · Thu Dec 28, 2023 12:19 pm

In post 1511, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1475, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: Gamma can read me I am safe
Genuinely, what was our last game together where we were both town and I read you correctly?

also kyouko, why did you just auto assume gamma was town here?

Hu Tao · Thu Dec 28, 2023 12:45 pm

In post 1531, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
In post 1522, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 1511, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1475, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: Gamma can read me I am safe
Genuinely, what was our last game together where we were both town and I read you correctly?
also kyouko, why did you just auto assume gamma was town here?
Kyouko hasn't been very interested in Joyboy all game outside of hypothesizing him as a partner to scum!Lap (along with... 6 other players.) and some random off-hand inclusions in scumpools before suddenly changing her tune and asking others why Joyboy is scum. Now that Gamma's replaced in she's sucking up to her hoping to get bailed out meaning either:
A. scum!Kyouko thinks town!Gamma can save her hide with a "correct" townread.
or B. lol they're partnered

I don't think I agree with B. Since it looks like Kyouko was more pleading rather than anything.

Hu Tao · Thu Dec 28, 2023 12:58 pm

In post 1540, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 1497, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 1486, HighPrincessErinys wrote: Actually fucking yeah thinking about the wagon shifts is giving me a brain blast. Kyouko/Hu Tao/Pavowski team feels very possible with Pavowski re-voting and trying to play it cool and not look too suspect after HT also gets off. Maybe this one is overlooking the possibility of Dragon since he's a townlean for it and needed a nudge from Kyouko (and similarly to Pav, has said it's only a temporary unvote) but even then it feels like there's BARE MINIMUM 2 scum in Kyouko/Pav/HT/Dragon.
I removed my vote as a gesture. Especially since joyboy was getting replaced anyway, day wasn't ending
You did it after Pavowski had already done it

You know how I catch up, I read posts and react to them as I read. So I hadn't seen the unvote yet.

Hu Tao · Thu Dec 28, 2023 12:58 pm

In post 1542, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 840, Hu Tao wrote: Only reads I'm comfortable with right now is Flavor and dragon Town. Joyboy is sus but I'm not 100% on him being scum
This is pretty reasonable post which probably makes Hu Tao scum

Hu Tao · Thu Dec 28, 2023 1:01 pm

In post 1553, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
In post 1531, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
In post 1522, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 1511, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1475, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: Gamma can read me I am safe
Genuinely, what was our last game together where we were both town and I read you correctly?
also kyouko, why did you just auto assume gamma was town here?
Kyouko hasn't been very interested in Joyboy all game outside of hypothesizing him as a partner to scum!Lap (along with... 6 other players.) and some random off-hand inclusions in scumpools before suddenly changing her tune and asking others why Joyboy is scum. Now that Gamma's replaced in she's sucking up to her hoping to get bailed out meaning either:
A. scum!Kyouko thinks town!Gamma can save her hide with a "correct" townread.
or B. lol they're partnered
I asked all 3 of you for 2 top scumreads and
why
- and you told me joyboy was one of your top 2 scumreads. I don't know how you're able to ignore the context so boldly when we were literally having this conversation today

Would I prefer a joyboy/gamma vote? Yes. But flavor has made it pretty clear who the votes were going to be in

Hu Tao · Thu Dec 28, 2023 1:14 pm

Yeah dragon is pretty close to lock town for me. I'm never voting there

Hu Tao · Thu Dec 28, 2023 1:15 pm

Cw if I'm confirmed town right now, who would be scum then?

Hu Tao · Thu Dec 28, 2023 1:23 pm

I would love that vote. But it's likely not happening sadly. Flavor doesn't want cw

Hu Tao · Thu Dec 28, 2023 2:21 pm

In post 1632, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1022, Flavor Leaf wrote: Me knowing that Hu Tao could easily be trying to get me to town read them and avoid being vigged is one of the things keeping me from fully scum reading Pavowski, though. I also think it's possible it's a ScumPav, TownKyouko.
Really wish you weren’t vig since seeing Hu Tao trying to read you would probably be enlightening on her alignment.

Um? Might want to read day 1 then.

Hu Tao · Thu Dec 28, 2023 3:19 pm

I think we let gamma finish her catch up and then move on tbh. I'm getting to the point where I need to see a flip.

Hu Tao · Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:35 pm

Yeehaw

Hu Tao · Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:37 pm

I'd like to be friends with you gamma

Hu Tao · Thu Dec 28, 2023 9:02 pm

In post 1734, Flavor Leaf wrote: Hu Tao scum

You and me both know this isn't my scum game

Hu Tao · Thu Dec 28, 2023 9:09 pm

Can we just eliminate someone. I don't care who at this point. Like I said this game needs a flip. Someone is wrong in their reads and we have to find out who by a flip.

Hu Tao · Fri Dec 29, 2023 7:00 am

I would prefer gamma here. But I don't think we have the votes to do so.

Hu Tao · Fri Dec 29, 2023 7:01 am

VOTE: gamma

Let's try

Hu Tao · Fri Dec 29, 2023 7:06 am

I think joyboy/gamma is still the worst slot here

Hu Tao · Fri Dec 29, 2023 7:08 am

We both know you're not shooting me. What did gamma do to be town?

Hu Tao · Fri Dec 29, 2023 7:14 am

In post 1861, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1857, Hu Tao wrote: I think joyboy/gamma is still the worst slot here

This does not seem like a real read, you’re just coasting on your prior stance without re-evaluating.

Based on your earlier post, you said my read made sense so I'm probably scum. Still feel the same? Cause you're kinda saying here my read doesn't make sense and implying I'm still scum

Hu Tao · Fri Dec 29, 2023 7:23 am

VOTE: Kyouko

I wanted to see what others would say/do. What do you think of cw getting off kyouko?

Hu Tao · Sun Dec 31, 2023 9:13 am

I expect 2 deaths and I see none. This is so funny

Hu Tao · Sun Dec 31, 2023 9:14 am

And I was wrong to doom and gloom yesterday. So I'll be sure to not do so in the future.

Hu Tao · Sun Dec 31, 2023 9:20 am

In post 1909, DragonEater70 wrote:
In post 1908, Hu Tao wrote: And I was wrong to doom and gloom yesterday. So I'll be sure to not do so in the future.
WDYM?

Pretty much I thought we were gonna lose today. But I was wrong. I think we have a good shot to win still. So in future games I shouldnt just give up like that

Hu Tao · Sun Dec 31, 2023 9:21 am

Also I'm fine with dragon going last.

Hu Tao · Sun Dec 31, 2023 9:30 am

I don't mind just claiming now. Or do we need to go in that order

Hu Tao · Sun Dec 31, 2023 9:46 am

In post 1920, Flavor Leaf wrote: Switch Hu Tao and Pav, and I’m fine with Dragon going last

Okay I'm fine with this

Hu Tao · Sun Dec 31, 2023 9:48 am

In post 1926, Flavor Leaf wrote: Yeah, yall acting like we’re in a bad spot.

We’re in a far BETTER spot than yesterday, and acting the doom and gloom.

Kyouko death was great here.

I agree I was wrong yesterday

Hu Tao · Sun Dec 31, 2023 11:53 am

In post 1941, Flavor Leaf wrote: And 1937 is a more obv bus than how Hu Tao busses

Hu Tao · Sun Dec 31, 2023 12:15 pm

Can I claim now. I might be busy later. But if you want me to wait for hpe I can

Hu Tao · Sun Dec 31, 2023 12:15 pm

Hu Tao · Sun Dec 31, 2023 12:16 pm

Sure I can go last idc

Hu Tao · Sun Dec 31, 2023 2:27 pm

In post 1990, cw357 wrote: hpe/gamma/geraint that is
all of them i sr so it tracks lol

But I thought I was scum

Hu Tao · Sun Dec 31, 2023 3:03 pm

I think he went to sleep so we will be waiting awhile. Happy new years everyone!

Hu Tao · Sun Dec 31, 2023 6:08 pm

In post 2009, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 1790, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
In post 1789, cw357 wrote: my motivation for this game is back
you had motivation for it at all?
Imo, cw has done more this game than HPE on a giving us their thoughts level.

Agreed

Hu Tao · Sun Dec 31, 2023 8:52 pm

In post 2021, DragonEater70 wrote:
In post 2014, Flavor Leaf wrote: Cool.

Dragon scum claims today.

That’s what I was hoping for.

I tried shooting HPE.
If I was scum I would've just changed my plan and claimed doc

I believe this. Also why would dragon no kill here and give town an extra day? Makes no sense

Hu Tao · Sun Dec 31, 2023 8:54 pm

In post 2027, DragonEater70 wrote: So stop bullshitting about how I wanted to pocket you and failed, and fucking realize that I am trying to win this game for town DESPITE your anti-town antics.

We both know that the scum team is gamma/HPE + gera/pav/cw, so just STOP clowning. It's annoying.

I agree scum is in this.

Hu Tao · Sun Dec 31, 2023 8:56 pm

In post 2031, Flavor Leaf wrote: Scum is HPE/Geraint + 1 of Hu Tao/DE like most times here.

So we all have common ground that hpe/Gera has at least 1 scum. Why can't we just vote there today?

Hu Tao · Sun Dec 31, 2023 8:56 pm

In post 2037, Flavor Leaf wrote: If anything it was super beneficial because it brought this day phase.

Hu Tao your claims time

Vanilla Taown