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[DragonEater70]

Hi!

I'm going to sheep Flavor Leaf Day 1 because I am lazy

[DragonEater70]

Means I'll vote what he votes

[DragonEater70]

Hi!

I'm going to sheep Flavor Leaf Day 1 because I am lazy

What does sheep someone mean?

Follow them.
Basically DE70 is not going to have an opinion of his own today and will just do what Flavor does.

I will have an opinion, I just won't try very hard to push it

[DragonEater70]

Also hi Thomith

Do you have an opinion on sheeping people day 1?

[DragonEater70]

Good mooooooooorning

If anybody has a reason we shouldn't VOTE: Flavor today, I'd love to hear it

It's not fun?

[DragonEater70]

there's other reasons for Dragoneater to state the sheeping comment other than what comes across at face value. They could be reaction testing me. They could be trying to setup an early pocket (I think this is rather bold if so because it would always illicit some people attacking the idea).

Lies! I am just lazy.

In fact I have prepared meticulous notes on how for every combination of alignments we may have, sheeping you assists me in being lazy without hurting my wincon:

If Flavor is town, then we lim a VT Day 1 and then Day 2 / Day 3 Flavor will magically solve the game. So I get to win this game without putting in any effort.

If Flavor is scum, then we lim a VT Day 1 no matter what I try to do, so I might as well enjoy being lazy.

If I'm scum and Flavor is town, I get a free miselim Day 1 on a VT by sheeping Flavor, and really don't have to put any effort into it.

If I'm scum and Flavor is also scum, I can not only help him lim the people he wants to remove from the game without having to make up convincing reasons, but will also look unpartnered with him because who ever heard of scum doing that?

[DragonEater70]

Though, thinking about it, I wouldn't

mind

pocketing Flavor, but that would probably require more effort than I am willing to put in for Day 1.

[DragonEater70]

I'm really tired

How are you, fellow nerd?

[DragonEater70]

That's good!

[DragonEater70]

So is this game dead already? That sucks.

Btw I am an Alien Novice Death-Millerizer 2-Shot Vigilante.

[DragonEater70]

A. WTF did I just read

B. Some nice alignment indicative commentary:

*pokes thread with a stick*

What, do you people have jobs or something?

Somebody vote Kyouko for that smell thing, that was weird, wasn't it?

That way I can defend her and be all "nah that's totally normal, actually"

I'm finding myself not liking this post. Its giving me a weird gut ping that it feels fake but I dont know how to explain it fully.

You mentioned earlier that we were early on in the day, but here you are acting like there is a sense of urgency that feels like a subtle contradiction.

Why are you trying to get other people to vote Kyouko for something that you find weird? Why not lead the charge yourself if you want to get the game moving?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Pavowski

Thomith don't you think maybe you're jumping the gun a bit? Pavowski's post seems a little, teensy tiny bit, blatantly, shitposty.

Second post by HPE that pinged me as scummy

VOTE: HPE

i think shitposting is still just a mask, and can be alignment indicative either way. I dont think there's enough to discern a correct answer with Pavowski at all. I lean town, but wouldnt die on that hill.

ok actually the ones who are all on people for not doing tasks are able to tell because they're not doing tasks themselves
I find this mega-sussy

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Flavor Leaf
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Also these 2 sentiments don't add up.

I'm not on anyone, nor do I plan to be.

VOTE: Flavor

But let's get a Flavor wagon going.

I'm torn between sheeping you and voting scum.

I guess I'll sheep any vote that isn't a self vote.

Though, thinking about it, I wouldn't

mind

pocketing Flavor, but that would probably require more effort than I am willing to put in for Day 1.

could be joke
i do see jokes here
but are jokes allowed?? :/

This checks out. Dragon town.

too jumpy, but not sussy-jumpy
more incompetent jumpy
imaginge you say someone venting adn you said

OHH MY GOODNESS BIG DADDY I SEE THE IMPROSOTR
but it was just an engineer
well that makes me think he do be just a jumpy conslusioner idk idk idk
*snipped rest of post*

cw is probably town

Spicy take, CW, lapalacian, HPE, and Pavowski are all town.

Why's HPE town?

Agree about the others probably

if you think flattery is gonna let you pocket me, well i gotta tell ya, you're probably right.

DragonEater's already doing a decent job making his pocket comfy.

Alright, I got a town core in Pavowski and DragonEater. Anyone's welcome at the table thus far to see what we're cooking, promise you some good flavor.

I'mma reverse pocket.

Yeah I could work with that

Can we policy elim cw? Or modkill?

modkills are generally reserved for breaches of game integrity.
idk what cw is doing but i skimmed his iso and i get the vibe he's just town playing weirdly so i would hope we don't have to policy him.
need to read rest of game though.

I think the point of a policy elim is that you do it without regard to the person's alignment, becayse they are harming thread health etc etc

kinda up for the policy if it continues. they already claimed vanilla, and yall know i love fading vanillas day 1.

Yep

Laplacian is scum you nerds you can policy the shitposter tomorrow

Reason?

going to read everything this one missed in a sec here but saw a bunch of votes moving around Pavowski so time to UNVOTE: Pavowski before something stupid happens

Another scum post

*snipped cw quotes*
well, i was hoping you might do something to convince me/the town that you wouldn't be a good policy execution, but so far, this isn't very persuasive. i get the impression that you're not willing to engage with the game in good faith regardless of your alignment. i don't intend to fight for a policy execution here, but as of now, i don't mind one. i'd like to have some more discussion before though if that's what we do, game's only just started.

p-edit: yes it is.

Kinda think this is sliiiightly scummy for the "I am not going to push a policy lim but I don't oppose one", since it could come from scum not wanting to initiate an anti-town play while still wanting to support it, BUT I do think town could also say this, so right now it's a very small scumlean.

So is this game dead already? That sucks.

Btw I am an Alien Novice Death-Millerizer 2-Shot Vigilante.

Sus post. How is it dead? It's been less than a day?

Sus post. How is it sus? It's just an RVS post?

Seriously though, I think Hu Taown is in town.

[DragonEater70]

I haven't even done anything how am I town?

Trust me sis

[DragonEater70]

VOTE: Hu Tao

Hello

This vote is invalid as it was posted on Hu Taown Tuesday. Thank you for understanding.

What is Hu Taown Tuesday?

[DragonEater70]

Damn, another game where Dragon ain't trying his best...

Uhhh

Which other game is this referencing? I don't think we've ever been in a game as same alignment so it's a weird poke

[DragonEater70]

RVS wit no RV what da hell

VOTE: Pavowski

Obviously this one

[DragonEater70]

*pokes thread with a stick*

What, do you people have jobs or something?

Somebody vote Kyouko for that smell thing, that was weird, wasn't it?

That way I can defend her and be all "nah that's totally normal, actually"

I'm finding myself not liking this post. Its giving me a weird gut ping that it feels fake but I dont know how to explain it fully.

You mentioned earlier that we were early on in the day, but here you are acting like there is a sense of urgency that feels like a subtle contradiction.

Why are you trying to get other people to vote Kyouko for something that you find weird? Why not lead the charge yourself if you want to get the game moving?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Pavowski

Thomith don't you think maybe you're jumping the gun a bit? Pavowski's post seems a little, teensy tiny bit, blatantly, shitposty.

Second post by HPE that pinged me as scummy

VOTE: HPE

i don't see it.
why do you think it's scummy?

It just doesn't feel like how town would naturally react to that post, I guess?

[DragonEater70]

Like I think town would rather ask Thomith about their read instead of trying to stop him?

[DragonEater70]

Damn, another game where Dragon ain't trying his best...

Uhhh

Which other game is this referencing? I don't think we've ever been in a game as same alignment so it's a weird poke

You got like almost instantly caught out as scum in u-pic and barely survived because Aureal appealed to you typically acting like a goofus

Okay yeah

That didn't have anything to do with trying though, it was just a mech focused game (or at least gave an impression of being mech focused) and I absolutely despise mech as scum.

Basically, I felt that game was townsided as fuck because the town could confirm their troll roles while scum had completely different roles that couldn't be confirmed the same way.

[DragonEater70]

Like I think town would rather ask Thomith about their read instead of trying to stop him?

So you're also jumping the gun and making the implication that you think me and Pavowski are partnered because this one scratched it's head at Thomith's overreaction.

No, I never said you were partnered wtf

You are the one jumping the gun

[DragonEater70]

Like I think town would rather ask Thomith about their read instead of trying to stop him?

So you're also jumping the gun and making the implication that you think me and Pavowski are partnered because this one scratched it's head at Thomith's overreaction.

No, I never said you were partnered wtf

You are the one jumping the gun

Then what the hell else were you gonna try to make with that point? Do you think scum just

ask

people to stop potential wagons on random townies when there isn't even any towncred for doing so? Is that your theorem?

My "theorem" is that scum don't react the same as town, and that you reacted differently to how I would expect town to react

However, I won't be pushing this point any further

[DragonEater70]

UNVOTE:

[DragonEater70]

Flavor who do you scumread outside of yourself?

[DragonEater70]

Okay

Hopefully the rest of the playerlist shows up soon

[DragonEater70]

Hellooo

Hey Purple, if you were a night 0 cop, who would be your guilty? And who would be your inno?

[DragonEater70]

Rolecop is just a cop that checks your role

[DragonEater70]

Are you town?

[DragonEater70]

Oh I said cop not rolecop

A cop is someone who checks if you are mafia or town

Night 0 means he can use his ability before game starts

[DragonEater70]

I only eat evil dragons. Meaning dragons who are scum. Meaning I kill scum so I am town.

Pedit: okay nice then you are third party. @Abnegation is also third party (she's a jester), so you could work together to win.

[DragonEater70]

Cool

[DragonEater70]

HEAL: gera

[DragonEater70]

I don't want to vote Flavor, that's why I am not voting him.

[DragonEater70]

I also don't want to vote gera as implied by 178

[DragonEater70]

Pav, do you mind explaining your thought process for townreading me off that post?

[DragonEater70]

How about one of the following:

A mango

A purple elephant

A purple heart

The moon

A purple moon

[DragonEater70]

Spoiler: cool purple moon pic

[DragonEater70]

[DragonEater70]

I won't steal it

However, I'll use this pagebottom to say I'm fine with a Pav/Flavor/Dragon town core for now

And I'm also going to revote HPE

VOTE: HPE

[DragonEater70]

HEAL: kyo

[DragonEater70]

It means "I read this person's post and was thinking whether I should vote them or not based on the post, and I concluded that I don't want to vote them. And then I decided that simply passively not voting is not enough, I should be actively not voting them"

And basically the heal tag is a way to actively not vote someone I guess.

[DragonEater70]

Another way to put it is if I were voting them before, I would be unvoting them now.

[DragonEater70]

Oh

You mean that it says the image is too big, right?

Here's what you do (on a computer):

Spoiler:

Search "fotor" on Google. Open it.

Upload the photo you want to use. Choose on the left the "resize" option, and make sure the lock icon looks locked. Then change the size to 150 x 150 and press apply.

Then download it and it will be correct size.

[DragonEater70]

Okay can you just send me by PM the image you are trying to use as an avatar and I see what's the problem

[DragonEater70]

cw

Can you be a dearie and act like you care about how other human beings feel?

Like if you don't care, at least pretend you do.

[DragonEater70]

I won't steal it

However, I'll use this pagebottom to say I'm fine with a Pav/Flavor/Dragon town core for now

And I'm also going to revote HPE

VOTE: HPE

snoreeee mimimimimi. includes self in the towncore too...

You do realize Flavor suggested that towncore, right? I just said I'm okay with it because I started to see Pav as town.

[DragonEater70]

I don't like how DE70 emphasizes early on how lazy they are, and yet posts extensive quote walls that seem the opposite of lazy. I don't know his meta - maybe this is lazy for him - but it's enough to make me pay attention. Not worthy of swapping vote, but would hop on a train for them if someone makes a good case.

Pavowski - still dont like that early post combo, but everything since then has had good vibes. Hades, edibles, first game in a few years, and the exact same reaction I had to joyboy showing up. Close enough to my thoughts and tastes that he's probably town.

UNVOTE:

Lol

Multiquoting is not the opposite of lazy

If you actually read the "quote wall", the points I made were extremely lazily written.

[DragonEater70]

Joyboy do you have pronouns and/or reads?

Also why are you reacting to page 1 after you reacted to later pages???

[DragonEater70]

It's really hard to sheep Flavor when he doesn't give me scumreads to work with btw

[DragonEater70]

So you are scumreading me just for not pushing your scumread? That's a pretty crazy preflip association but okay

[DragonEater70]

Okay that at least answers my question on whether Joyboy has reads

Still curious on if they have pronouns

[DragonEater70]

Dragon feels like he wants anything

but

for the focus to be on Laplacian

A weird claim to make when I haven't made a single post about Lap, have not tried to counterwagon their wagon, and have generally given zero quacks about them being wagoned.

[DragonEater70]

Oh and apparently I did question your scumread on them and you didn't answer me

So it's quite dubious to say that I am the one diverting attention away

[DragonEater70]

It means "I read this person's post and was thinking whether I should vote them or not based on the post, and I concluded that I don't want to vote them. And then I decided that simply passively not voting is not enough, I should be actively not voting them"

And basically the heal tag is a way to actively not vote someone I guess.

Since when have you started doing this?

Since I read Gera's post and felt a need to anti-vote Gera

[DragonEater70]

Might be because I don't see the reason for the Lap scumread though

No, you are correct that HPE's jump on Lap is bad.

[DragonEater70]

I won't steal it

However, I'll use this pagebottom to say I'm fine with a Pav/Flavor/Dragon town core for now

And I'm also going to revote HPE

VOTE: HPE

snoreeee mimimimimi. includes self in the towncore too...

Do you think DE70 putting himself in his towncore is suspicious?

I think you thinking it's suspicious is suspicious. Sounds like an NAI thing regardless of who does it.

I don't think Thom was saying it was sus, I think he was trying to figure out whether HPE said it thought it was sus

[DragonEater70]

Nah it's just felt like a pattern, I'm pretty focused on Laplacian rn and it's felt a couple of times like when you post it's meant to distract from that.

K

Kinda don't really care to respond to every point of your whole scum case on me, it's too kooky for me to even bother with.

The gist of it is you're wrong, you never did give a good reasoning for voting Lap. That "hint" you quoted is incredibly unclear and I still have no idea what it means. Even 206 doesn't really give me a reason to think your vote there is more than an RVS vote.

All of the quotes you show of me not caring about the Lap wagon are easily explained by the fact that I simply do not care about that wagon. I have no read on Lap. I do have a scumread on HPE though and I think its jump on the wagon is scummy. But not because Lap is town, because 240 is a horrible and over-explainly post. And it also scumreads Lap for... rereading the game and having a different read on Pav? Which is scummy because...?

I think you are extremely tunneled on Lap and are just forcing perceived associations to fit your solve

[DragonEater70]

In fact, I have town read Lap since early.

Scum is on Lap right now.

Sheep me on HPE?

[DragonEater70]

I just find it interesting

Ah, the classic scum tactic of contradicting themself at the earliest convenience after something is pointed out as scummy. Truly classic.

[DragonEater70]

Anyone scumreading Lap for changing posting style is either mega tunneled or scum

Kyo is clearly mega tunneled and HPE is clearly scum, btw

[DragonEater70]

*sigh*

Just vote one and I'll sheep you

[DragonEater70]

This is a post to remember going forward.

Funny, it also pinged me a bit.

[DragonEater70]

Why is this pinging you both?

There's a certain possibility it's trying to defuse a scumread on a partner, I guess. I don't think it's +scum for Abnegation, but I do think if Abneg is scum she's more likely to be scum with HPE than random.

[DragonEater70]

what's the HPE case? I reread ISO, and I dont necessarily feel it.

44 pinged me, can't say more than that

53 is weird to me because why does it care that thomith is "jumping the gun" in RVS? You kinda have to force scumreads in RVS if you ever wanna get out of it. I don't feel HPE's reaction is the natural town reaction.

240 presents something that is either NAI or towny (change in the way Lap looks at Pav,

after a reread, mind you

) as scummy to justify a vote, and it's also over-explainy in my opinion.

[DragonEater70]

Yeah this one doesn't think 47 was a normal or towny way of getting out of RVS like at all.

Hmm okay

Would you vote Thomith here?

i just have a hard time seeing Dragon play this way as scum. it's over the line of too much as scum, that i think it's just genuine.

im pocketed cuz of it if they are scum, though, so ill have to break out of that later in the game if it turns out they are, but thats not a Day 1 thing

This one doesn't think Dragon is scum tbh just not playing so well lmao

Sadly this makes me slightly less confident about the scumread

[DragonEater70]

Sorry I thought I replied to Pav:

44 seems entirely benign -- DE is it that you "can't" say more -- because there's nothing more to say -- or that you "won't -- because you don't want to?

The first

I just disagree on 53 because that sentiment from HPE was also my feeling. I agree we have to get out of RVS sometime, but I did feel like Thom was trying real hard to make something out of what I felt was pretty obviously Not a Thing

Yeah that does change my view on HPE

Re: 240, I gave thoughts on Lap's change of heart before: how the change of heart looks depends entirely on what you think of Lap going in. Given HPE's professed scumread there, reading Lap in that light makes sense.

I guess that fair

I saw it as NAI because I didn't have a read

[DragonEater70]

UNVOTE:

[DragonEater70]

i just have a hard time seeing Dragon play this way as scum. it's over the line of too much as scum, that i think it's just genuine.

im pocketed cuz of it if they are scum, though, so ill have to break out of that later in the game if it turns out they are, but thats not a Day 1 thing

Flavor, I'll be very disappointed if you are scum btw

[DragonEater70]

It’s interesting, because that’s one of the things that make me want to stay on HPE for a bit longer.

Explain so I can (finally!) sheep you?

[DragonEater70]

UNVOTE:

Dragon begs Flavor to vote HPE with him

Flavor does

Dragon unvotes HPE

This game is neat

Well, I wanted to sheep Flavor, not for Flavor to sheep me!

[DragonEater70]

To be fair, you set yourself up for disappointment.

Lucky for you, it’s not happening this game. I am not reverse pocketing you.

Oh I know

Still, I was so happy with that townread and it would wreck my hurt if it turns out to be a fake one

[DragonEater70]

It’s interesting, because that’s one of the things that make me want to stay on HPE for a bit longer.

Explain so I can (finally!) sheep you?

Prior to Thomith’s last post, I felt like it was a possible out to stay on their track.

It’s early Day 1, why is HPE shutting further pressure down in that way?

In addition, they also seemed to scumread Joyboy earlier. It feels like they were trying to not spread too thin.

I’m not sure it’s a correct reason, but it’s what i felt as soon as it started.

I'll be honest I'm not fully tracking with the Joyboy thing, but the Thomith thing makes sense
VOTE: HPE

[DragonEater70]

To be fair, you set yourself up for disappointment.

Lucky for you, it’s not happening this game. I am not reverse pocketing you.

Oh I know

Still, I was so happy with that townread and it would wreck my

heart

if it turns out to be a fake one

EBWOP

[DragonEater70]

If scum!Dragon gets away with this for the whole game I am going to be so pissed off.

Please redirect me to this post after the game if we reach that eventuality

[DragonEater70]

Getting more sus on Dragoneater. Despite having the most posts by a good 60% margin, their posts are proportionally low-content and fell back to the sheeping post from page 1 when Pav called out his weird vote pattern in 358. Their push for HPE feels legit though and not like a preemptive bus, so I'm feeling 1 scum between DE and HPE.

Don't love this thought tbh

[DragonEater70]

Tbh no

But I meant the thought process sucks

More than usual? IDK

[DragonEater70]

Like it felt like a bad faith read in an attempt to present an alt wagon rather than a real read

[DragonEater70]

I had already expressed doubts about both you and HPE earlier, this is just saying XOR instead of OR. It's not an alt wagon if it's just tightening down what I've already said.

Your earlier doubts you expressed on me were kinda stupid and don't even align with your current ones, so I don't really feel bad for ignoring them

Like earlier you shaded me for not being lazy enough and now you are shading me for being too lazy. Pick one narrative please.

[DragonEater70]

I'm at E-2, no shit I'm in survival mode. The two leading votes are basically me vs you right now, and I know I'm town while you've been exuding scum vibes, so ofc I'm going to try to get people to vote smart instead of following ssmb's train tunnel to a mislim.

Then actually find and vote scum

[DragonEater70]

If you think it's Abnegation make a case on her, don't sit and throw shade at me/HPE hoping somebody buys it and moves off

If you think it's one of us then vote us

[DragonEater70]

Okay

VOTE: Abneg

[DragonEater70]

She's not saying anything useful

Who do you think we should vote?

[DragonEater70]

Pretty clear tbh

I mostly agree with you on the townreads

[DragonEater70]

VOTE: Laplacian

Gonna elaborate or just vote and run?

I am doing what I can to progress the game

Do you mind chiming with your opinion on the HPE wagon? That would probably progress the game more than a naked vote.

Oh also the Abneg wagon

[DragonEater70]

Btw Purple is town according to my soulread

[DragonEater70]

Btw Purple is town according to my soulread

Is this a soul read you can explain, or is just as simple as it's a soul read?

I know Purple irl (sort of) and have played like 8-10 chat mafia games with him.

As scum his solving is batantly fake, which it isn't here.

Therefore he is town.

I'm honestly kind of feeling like HPE is being quite genuine with their posting.

FL tentatively town.
You (DE70) Tentatively town
Kyouko leantown.

I have no idea how to read Joyboy or cw right now

I'm still not so sure about Laplacian or gera.

Gut feeling at least one scum is being vocal right now, just not too sure who. (This is to say, I doubt all scum are just not saying alot).

HPE being genuine = being town, in your opinion?

Do you have any scum leans? Because that's a pretty big list of town leans / nulls.

[DragonEater70]

What do you scumread Lap for?

[DragonEater70]

Did you know that on mobile if you are in the editor & preview thingy you just mark the post number and click "post" tag and it will link it? Like this:

56
106
228

[DragonEater70]

What do you scumread Lap for?

Their posting seems to be trying to clutch at easy NAI things to see what sticks.

I'm on mobile so cant link to posts easily so will just put post numbers.

56 and 106 are what pinged me originally, 56 because it seemed to be trying to grasp onto the first substantial thing someone else pointed out, and it made me worry that the situation could possibly be that Pavowski is town, and the blame could then be pushed on me in the event Pavowski gained speed and actually flipped town.

While a few people did mention about a policy lim, this (106) in conjunction with 56 pinged me as weird.

228 with the "lazy contradictions" about DE70, was another NAI thing that I feel was jumped on as an easy reason to suspect someone, as it's something easy to explain away (they contradicted themselves!) Which reads weird to me.

The survival mode thing is also something that feels anti-town to me (an anyone but me attitude doesn't seem to make sense for town to do to me), but overall that's probably NAI, because I could see panicking town doing that sometimes tbh.

Even if Laplacious is scum, because of the speed of the wagon I do think there is at least 1 scum there.

Having read this and clicked all links, I think you are town

I could see Lap as scum but I have no idea what's the VC like

[DragonEater70]

Yeah Lap can stay at E-2 for now

[DragonEater70]

I am not locking him as town forever but I'm fine giving him a Day 1 pass

Pedit: try it out!

[DragonEater70]

Did you know that on mobile if you are in the editor & preview thingy you just mark the post number and click "post" tag and it will link it? Like this:

56
106
228

Thanks for this knowledge

Velkome!

Btw Purple is town according to my soulread

Is this a soul read you can explain, or is just as simple as it's a soul read?

I know Purple irl (sort of) and have played like 8-10 chat mafia games with him.

As scum his solving is batantly fake, which it isn't here.

Therefore he is town.

Who are you

Your dad

[DragonEater70]

Purple choose one of these 3 to vote please:
HighPrincessErinys
Laplacian
Abnegation

[DragonEater70]

okay

r u gonna vote or are you waiting for me

[DragonEater70]

What roles could it fish?

[DragonEater70]

(I can say that as long as I don't try to provide evidence, yes?)

Yeah, as long as you don't take a picture of the dice

[DragonEater70]

What do you mean?

Also I seem to be the only one who thought this looked like rolefishing

You should ask Kyouko what she meant

[DragonEater70]

Does this develop into a read on cw?

[DragonEater70]

but DE if you are town you should reconsider this point

I have reconsidered, and then re-reconsodered, and then reconsidered again and re-reconsodered again.

How about that

[DragonEater70]

So I'd say I'm considering HPE until there's a very good reason to consider it

[DragonEater70]

I'd say I'm done considering HPE*

[DragonEater70]

what's the HPE case? I reread ISO, and I dont necessarily feel it.

44 pinged me, can't say more than that

53 is weird to me because why does it care that thomith is "jumping the gun" in RVS? You kinda have to force scumreads in RVS if you ever wanna get out of it. I don't feel HPE's reaction is the natural town reaction.

240 presents something that is either NAI or towny (change in the way Lap looks at Pav,

after a reread, mind you

) as scummy to justify a vote, and it's also over-explainy in my opinion.

All roads always lead back to this VOTE: HPE

I'm trying to see the case for HPE but it's just not clicking for me.

44 seems entirely benign -- DE is it that you "can't" say more -- because there's nothing more to say -- or that you "won't -- because you don't want to?

I just disagree on 53 because that sentiment from HPE was also my feeling. I agree we have to get out of RVS sometime, but I did feel like Thom was trying real hard to make something out of what I felt was pretty obviously Not a Thing

Re: 240, I gave thoughts on Lap's change of heart before: how the change of heart looks depends entirely on what you think of Lap going in. Given HPE's professed scumread there, reading Lap in that light makes sense.

All of this could be fakery of course, but That One feels legit enough to me right now.

Also I seem to be the only one who thought this looked like rolefishing

tbh i dont understand how this could fish anything
like you would have to be severely challenged at mafia to get fished by this

thom making random reads to get us out of rvs is good, impstrs wnat rvs to keep going on and on so that we make some idiotic hang choice

I get the argument that HPE's post is not worded well, tonally at least, but DE I think is being opportunistic. tbh I see a Thomith/DE scumteam here

Thomith - ppl contradict each other constantly in RVS, major opportunism factor
DE - honestly i think DE is bussing his partner here, but simultaneously saving him by saying HPE/Thomith scumteam, let's hang HPE, then HPE flips town and suspicion averted from Thomith. When people make reads I think are stupid (usually scumeads on me) I tell them to stfu all the time and that's not any different from what's going on here, albeit more mildly. People vote each other for shitposting all the time in RVS an iirc that's not a valid argument in any way, shape or form.

I'm going to try and go through post history tonight to find something AI i guess.

but shitposting is more fun tbh

I didn't get who am I bussing? Thomith? I never even shaded him, much less voted.

[DragonEater70]

(I can say that as long as I don't try to provide evidence, yes?)

Yeah, as long as you don't take a picture of the dice

I got laplacian, but if I'm not mistaken laplacian is On E-2 (?) so it's probably not such a good idea to vote for laplacian right now, maybe later
Anyway, I would prefer this out of the two because of that

Genuine question: when do you think would be a better time to vote?

[DragonEater70]

Or rather let me be a newbie coach and say that you are expected to vote when playing in this site, and not only close to deadline.

[DragonEater70]

Lap, It would be cool if instead of commentating, you'd actually talk with people.

[DragonEater70]

partially the wording, partially because i think that's a very weird thing for pav to try to pass off as serious

What does this mean

[DragonEater70]

Based on people pushing Lap, there are three options:
1. He isn't scum
2. He is being heavily bussed
3. He is scum with exactly two of joyboy/cw/Hu Tao/FL

He isn't scum with FL because FL wouldn't let a scum buddy basically VT claim and stay at E-2 without a real counterwagon

I am ignoring the possibility of him being scum with Hu Tao for now and will come back to it later

He is not scum with exactly Joyboy/cw because having vanity wagons on each other while your partner is the main wagon is the best way to lose as mafia and I get the feeling Joyboy at least has SOME level of competence in Mafia.

So barring Hu Tao partnership, we eliminate option 3.

On option 2 it's a lot quicker: is there anyone who is positioned to gain towncred from Lap flipping scum? Not really. I mean Kyo is probably not scum with Lap so would look good if he flips scum, but since she's not scum with him she isn't bussing.

So it's also not very likely scum are bussing (unless scum are just really bad).

Conclusion:
Either Lap is just town, or scum are really bad and are doing a stupid bus right now (in which case I feel fine letting Lap live a little longer since his buddies probably will be revealed through associations), or Lap is scum with Hu Tao + somebody else.

Since I currently TR Hu Tao and since I think she'd probably react differently to a wagon on buddy (either bus or hard defend), I'm fine with saying he is most likely not scum with Hu Tao, but this is not a hard no like with Flavor.

Suggestion:
Let's start a new wagon
VOTE: Abneg
(I was already voting Abneg, now voting for a different reason)

[DragonEater70]

partially the wording, partially because i think that's a very weird thing for pav to try to pass off as serious

What does this mean

laplacian is arguing that pav's 46 was made in such a way that pav could either (1) say it's a joke, or (2) say it's serious depending on which way the thread goes. i don't think (2) is realistic.

I got that

What is the "because" referring to

[DragonEater70]

While I'm obviously happy with your conclusion, why narrow a potential scum team with me + those 4 exactly? I see omitting Pav & Kyouko, but not say, Thom.

As far as I could tell, you were Thom's biggest scumread and he wasn't voting you or anyone else. So as your scum buddy he'd be half-heartedly bussing you, which like I said is really bad play and I choose to believe he is not doing (or if he is doing it, then his play is really poor and I can probably find him as scum easily later on)

[DragonEater70]

Based on people pushing Lap, there are three options:
1. He isn't scum
2. He is being heavily bussed
3. He is scum with exactly two of joyboy/cw/Hu Tao/FL

He isn't scum with FL because FL wouldn't let a scum buddy basically VT claim and stay at E-2 without a real counterwagon

I am ignoring the possibility of him being scum with Hu Tao for now and will come back to it later

He is not scum with exactly Joyboy/cw because having vanity wagons on each other while your partner is the main wagon is the best way to lose as mafia and I get the feeling Joyboy at least has SOME level of competence in Mafia.

So barring Hu Tao partnership, we eliminate option 3.

On option 2 it's a lot quicker: is there anyone who is positioned to gain towncred from Lap flipping scum? Not really. I mean Kyo is probably not scum with Lap so would look good if he flips scum, but since she's not scum with him she isn't bussing.

So it's also not very likely scum are bussing (unless scum are just really bad).

Conclusion:
Either Lap is just town, or scum are really bad and are doing a stupid bus right now (in which case I feel fine letting Lap live a little longer since his buddies probably will be revealed through associations), or Lap is scum with Hu Tao + somebody else.

Since I currently TR Hu Tao and since I think she'd probably react differently to a wagon on buddy (either bus or hard defend), I'm fine with saying he is most likely not scum with Hu Tao, but this is not a hard no like with Flavor.

Suggestion:
Let's start a new wagon
VOTE: Abneg
(I was already voting Abneg, now voting for a different reason)

1. You forgot to put yourself in option 3 where Lap is not being bussed and his teammates are off-wagon
2. It's pretty bold of you to assume what scum!FL would do

1+2 = {Lap,DE70,FL?}

1. I am conftown in my own eyes. You are correct that objectively I could be in option 3, but actually I'm being ruled out by option 2 because I was also scumreading Lap and poking him.

2. It's not, I know quite a bit about FL

[DragonEater70]

You are STILL tunneled.

[DragonEater70]

Also forgot about 1 scum bussing 1 scum off-wagon I think but my brain goes straight to you excluding yourself as a partner

VOTE: Joyboy

I could vote there

Also forgot about 1 scum bussing 1 scum off-wagon I think but my brain goes straight to you excluding yourself as a partner

why is that scum-indicative? i would think town are more likely to do that since they already know they're town and don't stop to consider a world where they're not town because it's not relevant to them.
the way you read into that detail reminds me a little of your past towngames though (i'm alianna). idk if you've done exactly that but it gives me a similar vibe.
i get that from some of the stuff you posted on page 12-13 too. reading really deeply into things, gives mildly conspiracy-ish vibes but not in a bad way.

I agree that Kyo is probably town for having that conspiracy theory solve

I just think she's a bit kooky with regards to making things fit. Like she got an explanation of why I made posts engaging Purple and it didn't make her re-evaluate her assessment that I was trying to draw attention away from Lap. She sees me not consider myself possible scum and her first thought is to point it out as possibly damning as a partner with Lap.

I’m probs biased because they’re hard town reading me, but DragonEater like is someone with a very limited amount of experience in-game with me, but I feel they’ve gone out of their way to hard analyze me. They also modded a scum game of mine earlier, and was invested in another of my scum game with Abneg earlier this year.

They also meta dived a town game of mine. And that’s just what I know about, so it seems they’ve put a lot of work into trying to explain how I play (which normally isn’t good to do, because I change up my scum meta often deliberately)

For instance, all 3 of my scum games this year, I had a key hard mega death tunnel, which mirrored some of my town games, but they were all incredibly deliberate, and it’s known that I’d do that now, so I have to change meta up.

I let people think they know what my meta is.

The difference with DragonEater is that they came completely out of nowhere knowing my style for me, and was not on my radar.

So if they are scum doing this, they put a lot of effort over time setting up for this exact situation, and while I think that is also possible, I feel they’ve been incredibly genuine with everything about my slot this game, and I don’t really think it makes sense for them to

Slingshot

(generally support and in-thread empowerment) the way they have been.

Which town game of yours have I meta dived?

And I agree, I do have limited in-game experience with you, but if you check my GTKAS you are listed as one of my favorite MS players and that is based partly on my experience as a mod also.
And I read a LOT of games (it's really fun tbh), so I often use meta reads from games I wasn't even a part of.

And slingshot means to support a town player as scum?

[DragonEater70]

And I think it's a pretty weird idea that I would setup for a pocket before a game even starts but I'll take it as a compliment if you think that highly of my scum prowess

I just did the meta research because I wanted to be able to read you in my town games

[DragonEater70]

You are clearly not.

[DragonEater70]

@Flavor

Okay fair

Just out of curiousity, when you said I meta dived a town game are you referring to me reading Mafia Have a Cop or something else? That comment still bothers me because I don't remember saying anything about a meta dive and I'm afraid you know more about what I did than I know.

[DragonEater70]

@Flavor

Okay fair

Just out of curiousity, when you said I meta dived a town game are you referring to me reading Mafia Have a Cop or something else? That comment still bothers me because I don't remember saying anything about a meta dive and I'm afraid you know more about what I did than I know.

Oh damn, wasn’t even talking about that game.

I remember you mentioned a game on the dead thread of the game you modded if that Multiball game I was killed Night 2 in and had the most posts in the game by end game

Lemmie check

[DragonEater70]

Well

We shall see Flavor. We shall see.

[DragonEater70]

She sees me not consider myself possible scum and her first thought is to point it out as possibly damning as a partner with Lap.

If you want to towncase Lap convincingly you're going to have to do it from an outside POV if you want it to convince people outside your own town POV.

I can make cases as though I'm town, as scum, and they can make sense because I'm pretending to be town. If you don't build your case from an outside POV it's going to be less convincing. I am wary of you pushing this towncase as truth because it looks believable, but it relies on an unconfirmed assumption that you're town.

So people can read it and nod along and be like "yeah this all makes sense" and if they don't consider the basis of all the facts you're starting from, they can be misled by scum!you

That's true

When I was writing that case, I was including myself in the people who were "maybe bussing Lap but not positioned to gain anything from it"

I guess it's a bit hard to see from my posts because I have a bad habit to delete a lot of stuff in my pedits, but I definitely started to scumread him. Well actually it shouldn't be THAT hard to see, I have at least 2-3 posts where I say I don't like things by Lap:

Spoiler:

Getting more sus on Dragoneater. Despite having the most posts by a good 60% margin, their posts are proportionally low-content and fell back to the sheeping post from page 1 when Pav called out his weird vote pattern in 358. Their push for HPE feels legit though and not like a preemptive bus, so I'm feeling 1 scum between DE and HPE.

Don't love this thought tbh

Like it felt like a bad faith read in an attempt to present an alt wagon rather than a real read

Pointing out Lap scummy (=scumread)

I'm at E-2, no shit I'm in survival mode. The two leading votes are basically me vs you right now, and I know I'm town while you've been exuding scum vibes, so ofc I'm going to try to get people to vote smart instead of following ssmb's train tunnel to a mislim.

Then actually find and vote scum

Pressuring Lap slightly

What do you scumread Lap for?

Their posting seems to be trying to clutch at easy NAI things to see what sticks.

I'm on mobile so cant link to posts easily so will just put post numbers.

56 and 106 are what pinged me originally, 56 because it seemed to be trying to grasp onto the first substantial thing someone else pointed out, and it made me worry that the situation could possibly be that Pavowski is town, and the blame could then be pushed on me in the event Pavowski gained speed and actually flipped town.

While a few people did mention about a policy lim, this (106) in conjunction with 56 pinged me as weird.

228 with the "lazy contradictions" about DE70, was another NAI thing that I feel was jumped on as an easy reason to suspect someone, as it's something easy to explain away (they contradicted themselves!) Which reads weird to me.

The survival mode thing is also something that feels anti-town to me (an anyone but me attitude doesn't seem to make sense for town to do to me), but overall that's probably NAI, because I could see panicking town doing that sometimes tbh.

Even if Laplacious is scum, because of the speed of the wagon I do think there is at least 1 scum there.

Having read this and clicked all links, I think you are town

I could see Lap as scum but I have no idea what's the VC like

Saying I could see Lap as scum

All of the above are posts that would put me into category 2, not category 3.

(I can say that as long as I don't try to provide evidence, yes?)

Yeah, as long as you don't take a picture of the dice

I got laplacian, but if I'm not mistaken laplacian is On E-2 (?) so it's probably not such a good idea to vote for laplacian right now, maybe later
Anyway, I would prefer this out of the two because of that

Genuine question: when do you think would be a better time to vote?

Or rather let me be a newbie coach and say that you are expected to vote when playing in this site, and not only close to deadline.

The last two are me egging on another player to vote Lap. Pretty weird to do as Lap's partner.

[DragonEater70]

Right now, I think all the scum are on this list:

Joyboy
Hu Tao
Pavowski
Abnegation
Geraint
Thomith
Kyouko
cw357 - small chance, but don’t wanna give them the satisfaction if they’re scum trolling here

Yes. I town read some of these players at the moment, but i expect to town read some scum.

Leaves Purple, DE, Lap, HPE as my don’t touch list. HPE wagon was good for my read there.

Purple townbin is a sheep of me? Or you have your own process?

[DragonEater70]

Also I can't believe I just had to explain why scum!me would be playing terrible if he were partnered with Lap, as town

This is something I almost never do as town

[DragonEater70]

All of your points are technically correct Kyoko, but your basic assumption is still incorrect.

You have a worldview you have developed (which is incorrect) and instead of connecting the pieces of the puzzle correctly so that they show you the truth, you try to force them together so they reflect your worldview

I don't think anything I could say would change your worldview so I am not going to bother

FWIW - the big post where I was explaining why we shouldn't push Lap right now - that post wasn't for you, it was for people who were hedging or unsure. And I am pretty sure these people didn't need a proof from me why I am not scum with Lap in order for them to understand what I was trying to say.

[DragonEater70]

Laplacian voters as of 503: ssbm_kyouko, Abnegation, Pavowski, HighPrincessErinys, geraintm

Assuming Laplacian scum it would be with 2 of these as partners:
Joyboy

Purplemango
DragonEater70

Hu Tao
Flavor Leaf
cw357

Thomith

bold=missing from 503

3. He is scum with exactly two of joyboy/cw/Hu Tao/FL

Why were purplemango and thomith not listed in scenario 3?

I already explained why

[DragonEater70]

Laplacian voters as of 503: ssbm_kyouko, Abnegation, Pavowski, HighPrincessErinys, geraintm

Assuming Laplacian scum it would be with 2 of these as partners:
Joyboy

Purplemango
DragonEater70

Hu Tao
Flavor Leaf
cw357

Thomith

bold=missing from 503

3. He is scum with exactly two of joyboy/cw/Hu Tao/FL

Why were purplemango and thomith not listed in scenario 3?

In the chance that Lap is scum, they are scum with at least one of the people on that first list.

Not liking your deep deep assumptions. Seems very black and white, red and blue. Mafia is purple and gray.

I'm speaking in the context of DE's scenario 3 in 503. I think 503 is deeply flawed and am working to get to the bottom of that. I don't think that if we flip scum!Lap that there are no scum on his wagon right now. I'm trying to figure out how DE got to where he did because the basis seems all wrong. I'm not sure if it's wrong intentionally or by oversight.

This is stupid

Not everyone is a perfectionist like yourself and the fact that you disagree with a person not providing proof why they aren't scum doesn't make that person scum. "getting to the bottom of this" is not going to give you anything AI, just frustration.

I simply can't be bothered with towncasing myself and refuting your quotes when you are the only person even remotely scumreading me (except Lap, ironically enough, but even he doesn't try to vote me).

[DragonEater70]

I kinda want to vote Lap and have him flip town just so Kyouko drops this stupid fucking issue

[DragonEater70]

Laplacian voters as of 503: ssbm_kyouko, Abnegation, Pavowski, HighPrincessErinys, geraintm

Assuming Laplacian scum it would be with 2 of these as partners:
Joyboy

Purplemango
DragonEater70

Hu Tao
Flavor Leaf
cw357

Thomith

bold=missing from 503

3. He is scum with exactly two of joyboy/cw/Hu Tao/FL

Why were purplemango and thomith not listed in scenario 3?

I already explained why

You explained Thomith but not purple - and Thomith is in the same boat as you - shading Lap but not voting him.

To me, all three of us are in the same boat of "I want to vote Lap but he's at E-2 and I don't want to pressure more than that".

All the people in this boat are in my mind equivalent to voting Lap in the context of 503. Why? Because all three of us would have voted Lap if he was at E-3 instead.

Does that make you feel better?

[DragonEater70]

do it

Nah

I hate intentionally flipping town Day 1

That's Flavor's style

If he asks me to hammer I'll hammer though

Pedit: huh okay that was quick

Yes mr Flavor

VOTE: Lap

[DragonEater70]

Kyouko just do me one favor

If Lap flips town don't start scumcasing me for TMI

This is stupid ridiculous

[DragonEater70]

Did somebody say E-1?

VOTE: Lap

It's really unfair, I wanted to be the hammer

[DragonEater70]

do it

Nah

I hate intentionally flipping town Day 1

That's Flavor's style

If he asks me to hammer I'll hammer though

Pedit: huh okay that was quick

Yes mr Flavor

VOTE: Lap

This is not something town posts lmfao
VOTE: DragonEater70
this is a symbolic i told you so vote

Cool

Enjoy being told so when I am nightkilled due to being townread by 9/11 living players who aren't me.

[DragonEater70]

Santa brought us coal for Christmas

Probably because we were naughty and killed Laplacian

@Kyo

can I be conftown for not wanting to kill him earlier?

[DragonEater70]

Imagine a vigilante in this game shooting anybody but CW

I imagine the vigilante was hard scumreading Abneg

[DragonEater70]

This one doesn't really get this idea. Abne was widely scumread, and Thomith was generally townbinned (iirc). Abne was pretty vigged, not nightkilled.

yeah

[DragonEater70]

I just think their twilight push on dragon eater is super fake.

I could see that

I’m half advocating to get rid of CW because even if they are town, I do not trust them in this game come late game.

True

But I kinda wanna reread everything and find actual scum

Lap flipping town actually makes me think Joyboy/cw viable scumteam on very surface analysis (voting each other for the "distancing" and "lolz" while third scum ensuring Lap gets limmed)

[DragonEater70]

Imagine a vigilante in this game shooting anybody but CW

I think cw started making sense later in the day though. But before then yes

Which quote of cw made sense to you?

[DragonEater70]

Imagine a vigilante in this game shooting anybody but CW

I imagine the vigilante was hard scumreading Abneg

Yeah you should probs Vig Hu Tao or CW tonight.

Meant for Mason thread my bad

[DragonEater70]

CW is probably fine actually.

Just surface level analysis town.

Who's scum?

[DragonEater70]

You can ask Hu Tao, claim Vanilla Day 1, FL will fade

True. He will even vote himself if he claims VT

Can confirm

[DragonEater70]

I do think there is scum in Pavowski or HPE, though

I am gonna ask something surprising:

Why HPE?

[DragonEater70]

Imagine a vigilante in this game shooting anybody but CW

I think cw started making sense later in the day though. But before then yes

Which quote of cw made sense to you?

Look at his iso. 457 and onward he started making sense

Kinda disagree since they've been mainly sheeping Kyouko on the horribly contrived scumcase on me

[DragonEater70]

Didn't read their posts this day phase just yet, though

one sec

[DragonEater70]

I'm going to make a barrage of posts here cuz why not

First of all I would like to make something very clear:
The only reason I stopped amogus-posting and calling people "big daddy" and threatening to kidnap them, etc. was because the site mods threatened me with a ban. I'm not an idiot nor am I a newbie (on other sites) and I don't need to be told how to play by a theoretical scum partner, I would just ignore them. Thus this pretty much puts the "scumpartner told cw to cool it" theory dead in the water.

My top 4 scum picks right now are DE/HPE/Flavor/Joyboy, will elaborate

Okay that's an unexpected but very welcome development

The laplacian push felt very artificial from DE
I've explained why I think DE is scum and can quote the posts

It appears that flavor was trying to close out the mishang upon a read of D1 without coming across as aggressive
Also him saying in #647 that "I was also kinda using CW wagon as a bait" pings hard
In my experience nobody playing this game is actually smart enough to bait anybody in actuality + if someone lolcows to "bait people" the risk of getting misinterpreted is too high

TBH I think flavor knows that I will arrive and use my super engineer skills to hide in the vents and look at cams to catch his sussy impostor action so he wants to avoid me seeing him for the sussy impostor he is

Not really convinced, I do think Flavor plays this way as town even though you are probably right that the baiting doesn't work as planned

Also please explain why I'm scum without tons of hahahahahahhahahahah in your posts, thanks.

[DragonEater70]

Wait Purplemango is still alive

Purple do you have any thoughts? When you wake up obviously since it's still early

[DragonEater70]

By making sense, I'm not saying I agree. Just saying he's not trolling anymore

Why does that make them town?

[DragonEater70]

Not always to catch a scum, sometimes it’s to catch a town.

That being Hu Tao?

[DragonEater70]

Oh Okay Hu Tao didn't say cw scum, just not insta vig

[DragonEater70]

cw town*

[DragonEater70]

I'd be down to vote any of cw/joyboy/HPE/Pav, I guess

[DragonEater70]

cw why are you making a huge case on Flavor and voting me

[DragonEater70]

flavor and DE have shown no signs of giving ANY reads on the other except "yay we're towncore" and it's pretty obvious tbh that they're scum the more I read this

fun fact: I think reading Flavor Day 1 is pointless because he does the same shit as both alignments. Day 2 and on you start seeing if he has an agenda or not (I even had that post with notes about how Flavor never gets limmed Day 1 as either alignment so might as well sheep him Day 1).

Though to be fair the lack of Analysis about my slot on Flavor's part could be legitimately construed as scummy. I'm undecided about that though because I'm pretty sure Flavor did decide to be pocketed for very little reason as town in past games though.

[DragonEater70]

I'd be down to vote any of cw/joyboy/HPE/Pav, I guess

Can you explain your townread on Flavor?

I don't have one right now

It's more I don't have a scumread on him and I can see good reasons for these people to be scum

[DragonEater70]

Actually you know

This is Christmas eve and I don't wanna spend today on MafScum

So how about we continue this chat on the 26th?

[DragonEater70]

flavor and DE have shown no signs of giving ANY reads on the other except "yay we're towncore" and it's pretty obvious tbh that they're scum the more I read this

fun fact: I think reading Flavor Day 1 is pointless because he does the same shit as both alignments. Day 2 and on you start seeing if he has an agenda or not (I even had that post with notes about how Flavor never gets limmed Day 1 as either alignment so might as well sheep him Day 1).

Though to be fair the lack of Analysis about my slot on Flavor's part could be legitimately construed as scummy. I'm undecided about that though because I'm pretty sure Flavor did decide to be pocketed for very little reason as town in past games though.

*lack of public analysis

Can you explain the read on me in the mason PT?

[DragonEater70]

You know what, maybe I’ll make this easier for yall

I’m a Night 1 Vig. I killed Abnegation.

I’ve been playing this day phase trying to act like it wasn’t me, so I could pull this out later, but I’m ready to play as IC.

Is this a serious claim?

[DragonEater70]

Fun fact:

When Flavor said I should vig cw, I wanted to respond with "I agree, you should vig cw tonight while I stay home like a good townie", but I didn't because I thought that moght make people think I'm actually the vig

Anyhow, VOTE: Flavor

He's not a N1 vig.

[DragonEater70]

Fun fact:

When Flavor said I should vig cw, I wanted to respond with "I agree, you should vig cw tonight while I stay home like a good townie", but I didn't because I thought that moght make people think I'm actually the vig

Anyhow, VOTE: Flavor

He's not a N1 vig.

ok now this is an interesting twist

Is it? This is a Simple game. N1 modifier doesn't exiat in Simples.

[DragonEater70]

@mod could you please confirm there's no error in the wiki, in setup creation or in the tagging of the setup as Simple, and that N1 roles are impossible in this game?

[DragonEater70]

Night 1’s not my modifier, just wanted to WIFOM scum to have them wonder if I have another shot or not.

You looking scared, DragonEater.

I was 100% making it look like it was you. You been trying to pocket me all game.

Scared about what

I correctly read you as the vig, just voted you cause your claim made no sense

UNVOTE:

[DragonEater70]

Anyway nobody CC'd you so

[DragonEater70]

Yeah Idk why

The vote was very half hearted tbh

[DragonEater70]

Anyways

You're just gonna have to believe me that I did in fact think you were the vig before you claimed

[DragonEater70]

I still don't get what I'd be scared of as scum? As scum I would just say "cool I can continue sheeping Flavor" and know that you are pocketed

[DragonEater70]

I still don't get what I'd be scared of as scum? As scum I would just say "cool I can continue sheeping Flavor" and know that you are pocketed

I thought about shooting you

Hmm I'd be down to be shot

I have a self confirming role
VOTE: cw

[DragonEater70]

But I think you should shoot actual scum

[DragonEater70]

Flavor if you shoot me you should probably announce that so I get conf towned

[DragonEater70]

Like incase you get nightkilled

[DragonEater70]

VOTE: Joyboy

[DragonEater70]

cw since Flavor and I are masons could you please tell me what's your next suspicion?

[DragonEater70]

Joyboy why is Purple scum

[DragonEater70]

Town:
Flavor
Kyo
l'Dragon

Mayhaps town:
Hu Taown
Purple
Cw


Perchance the scum are all here (but probably at least 2 are here):
Gera
HPE
Pav
Joyboy

[DragonEater70]

cw since Flavor and I are masons could you please tell me what's your next suspicion?

That. You. Are. Scumpartners.
"oh these two players have chat at night"
occam's razor: they are scum
what scum says: No We'Re MaSoNs

Along with HPE
but I'm fine with a flavor hang

Let me try that again

If you were cop and found out that Flavor and I were town, how would your reads look?

[DragonEater70]

Joyboy why is Purple scum

why do you care what he thinks
and do you think he's going to tell you
you're trying to distract


Also I love the lunacy of you claiming mason with flavor (meaning you know he's conftown, since this isn't a BM game) yet you immediately voted him and said he was scum after he claimed vig

i dont even care about hpe right now, the two of you are so obviously scum that I've in effect gamesolved

I don't think Joyboy has had any actual reads this day phase, and very few reads last one

I am trying to understand if they are town with a real thought process or just scum using the gimmick to coast through the game

How is that "distracting"? What am I even distracting from? The wagon on you?

[DragonEater70]

Okay

VOTE: cw

Still want an answer from JBoy

[DragonEater70]

Why do I "know" they are not gonna give an answer? They very well may give a non-straightforward answer

What's opportunistic about sayong you are maybe town? That's extremely unopportunistic considering the wagon on you.

[DragonEater70]

VOTE: PURPLE
FIGHT ME!!!!

I missed that you voted for me, is it serious? If so, is there a particular reason?
(I probably won't answer too much because I'm at school)
Also what does fight means

Just means fight (there's no special meaning)

Do you think Joyboy does this trolling as scum? Do you think they do it as town?

[DragonEater70]

Okay

VOTE: cw

Still want an answer from JBoy

you just said you townread me, and you're saying you'll vote me cause of flavor
this reeks of no daychat although idk setup mechanics, is it closed?

It is kind of dumb for DragonEater as scum to turn and vote me like that.

There was literally a confirmed kill, so it doesn’t go right for them if scum unless someone counterclaims.

But if someone wants to counterclaim, be my guest.

It’ll be a fun night if so.

it would be dumber for town DE to vote his fellow mason, as he supposedly claims
given the choice between the two I'd go with flavor/DE w/w
DE thought you were conf-scum and wanted to be on the right side of history, it's as simple as that; doesn't clear him in any way.

I town slipped when i messed the player count up anyways.

not a townslip, the scumslip is backing off of my push and calling it "bait" when you find out it's not mylo
also if someone with 40000 posts tells me they "townslipped" I ignore it personally

There's daychat, it's in the OP

I said you were "maybe town"

Flavor raided a point against you which I agreed with so I switched back. Your posting style makes it incredibly hard to make judgment on your alignment beyond "they are town trolling" vs "they are scum trolling", so I am not going to have a strong read on you in either direction.

Also idk if you realize but Flavor is confirmed town.

[DragonEater70]

Joyboy who are your enemies? Who's in your gang?

[DragonEater70]

They claimed vig when a vig is confirmed and nobody CC'd them

[DragonEater70]

Fun fact:

When Flavor said I should vig cw, I wanted to respond with "I agree, you should vig cw tonight while I stay home like a good townie", but I didn't because I thought that moght make people think I'm actually the vig

Anyhow, VOTE: Flavor

He's not a N1 vig.

Appreciate this

[DragonEater70]

UNVOTE: cw

Reading HPE's purple quotes helped me realize they are probably both town. Maybe.

Kinda want to vote Gera

[DragonEater70]

HPE is never scum wirh cw though

[DragonEater70]

VOTE: PURPLE
FIGHT ME!!!!

I missed that you voted for me, is it serious? If so, is there a particular reason?
(I probably won't answer too much because I'm at school)
Also what does fight means

Just means fight (there's no special meaning)

Do you think Joyboy does this trolling as scum? Do you think they do it as town?

It could be both
I will assume that it is a more town thing to do because it attracts a lot of attention and there is a good chance that you will be voted for (as it really happens)
But it also works well enough as scum because it allows you to avoid real answers
I do think right now that joyboy town, that's why I need context for the reason to the vote ("i want meat!!" Doesn't really help me with that)

FYI I think "meat" means content, reads, etc. from you.

Basically they want you to share more of your thoughts about the game. For example do you think any of the active players is scum? Who?

Do you think any of the inactive players is scum? Who?

[DragonEater70]

holy shit could flavor actually be conftown

this will crumble all my reads
I don't believe it yet though

lol cw is town

[DragonEater70]

COME AT ME!
I'LL FIGHT ALL OF YOU!

This isn't very Luffy like.

THIS ISN'T VERY HU TAO LIKE

That's actually true isn't it

[DragonEater70]

VOTE: Pav

[DragonEater70]

UNVOTE: cw

Reading HPE's purple quotes helped me realize they are probably both town. Maybe.

Kinda want to vote Gera

Is Gera any different as scum? Cause he's the same as his town games so far

I have never seen Gera as scum

It's just a gut ping of I thought he would share townier thoughts as town

[DragonEater70]

Flavor, cw feels like KeyLaga from this game you repped out of: viewtopic.php?t=91890

(KL was town)

[DragonEater70]

Oh btw I should probably say GG to the scum

I'll do that later because logging out is too much effort.

[DragonEater70]

Pav’s alright.

So here’s the thing,

If we’re in a world where it’s 3 town, 3 scum, and CW is there as a 4th town, do we trust CW to vote correctly in that situation?

Depends

I wanna see how they act after everybody checks in and no one CC's you

[DragonEater70]

Pav’s alright.

So here’s the thing,

If we’re in a world where it’s 3 town, 3 scum, and CW is there as a 4th town, do we trust CW to vote correctly in that situation?

Alright as in an alright vote?

[DragonEater70]

[DragonEater70]

So Flavor

Are ya gonna vig me or what

[DragonEater70]

Honestly, we’re not in a good spot

That I agree with

[DragonEater70]

Hmm

Why's Kyou scum?

[DragonEater70]

Yeah Lap wasn't exactly scummy

I just feel Kyo's push, super tunnel on me being Lap's partner, and goading me to flip Lap is that likely to come from scum

I should probably look in her completed games to verify whether she has the capability of doing this super aggressive push as scum or not.

[DragonEater70]

Not that likely*

[DragonEater70]

Yeah I'll be looking into her scumrange tomorrow probably - heading out now with family

[DragonEater70]

Pav and Hu Tao

[DragonEater70]

Why pav is scum?

Here's why:

You know what, maybe I’ll make this easier for yall

I’m a Night 1 Vig. I killed Abnegation.

I’ve been playing this day phase trying to act like it wasn’t me, so I could pull this out later, but I’m ready to play as IC.

Is this a serious claim?

Trying to catch up this morning and this is the strangest thing. Why make like you're gonna scumcase Abnegation next day then shoot overnight? You didn't "act like it wasn't you" for very long, some of the plist hasn't even checked in yet

[DragonEater70]

I promise I'm not deliberately spamming the thread, but I hate wall posting. Between my last post and some notes I took at the end of d1 when I got home and the thread was locked have me really considering Purple/Dragon as two of the three scum (It would be 3 in a normal, right?). And given they know each other IRL...

scum!Purple / scum!Dragon works
town!Purple / scum!Dragon works
scum!Purple / town!Dragon doesn't work
town!Purple / town!Dragon could work but that means I have to find 3 scum in HPE, Kyouko, Joy, CW, Gera, Hu Tao. Possible? Yes. Likely? Feels like no.

Purple, what's your take on Dragon right now?

I don’t get the relation between the two.

Dragon was goading purple into voting on Day 1, though, and i think purple lack of voting is kinda townie

There's no relation

Pav isn't making sense and is just trying to divert attention elsewhere, IMO

[DragonEater70]

VOTE: PURPLE
FIGHT ME!!!!

I missed that you voted for me, is it serious? If so, is there a particular reason?
(I probably won't answer too much because I'm at school)
Also what does fight means

That this is Purple's first post in like 250 and since the flips is weird, v weird

It's definitely not scum indicative. Here's Purple ISO from his last (and only) town game onsite: viewtopic.php?p=13915549&f=51&t=91644&u ... #p13915549

[DragonEater70]

?

[DragonEater70]

*sigh*