Open 902: Frienemies Blitz | Postgame

[Doctor Drew]

Go go go

Hurry hurry hurry

Dragons never move this fast.

Nor does std

VOTE: std

[Doctor Drew]

Wait, wasn't all this T-Bones idea? And he hasn't even shown up yet??

Some suss mod play this game so far.

[Doctor Drew]

Next person to make the most convincing scum case explaining why Drew is scum gets my vote for the rest of the day

Drew has been scum in 100% of the games played with T-Bone up to this point.

That is a lock solid case, please hand over your vote to me

[Doctor Drew]

Next person to make the most convincing scum case explaining why Drew is scum gets my vote for the rest of the day

Pro tip: you cant

Why not? You have tried before when I wasn't scum.

[Doctor Drew]

Next person to make the most convincing scum case explaining why Drew is scum gets my vote for the rest of the day

Pro tip: you cant

Why not? You have tried before when I wasn't scum.

So you're scum now?

I was wondering if someone would twist the wording I used lol.

I am not scum, but python has tried making a case for me other games where I also wasn't scum.

[Doctor Drew]

Prodding Doctor Drew

Ahhh!

Forgot about the super fast prod times.

Will be back in a bit

[Doctor Drew]

fluffy pink balloon feels like LHF to me a bit

If he's LHF then why am I the only one pushing him

Tunnely Black feels like townBlack I think?

Ok for real now, be back in a few

[Doctor Drew]

Tbh I think ranger/light/python is 3 town right now

Elaborate

Elaborate on why not.

Ftr, I do town read python.....but no real read so far on the other two.

So the more info the better

[Doctor Drew]

Tbh I think ranger/light/python is 3 town right now

Elaborate

Elaborate on why not.

Ftr, I do town read python.....but no real read so far on the other two.

So the more info the better

Any other reads, keeping in mind shorter deadlines?
What's your threshold?

I think I underestimated the effects of the time constraints here, gun to my head you, python, Ranger are town......Nae and std for scum

So the more info the better

15 pages in... got any thoughts so far besides that?

Should I grab food on the way home or cook something is my main thought right now.

Game related, see above

Tbh I think ranger/light/python is 3 town right now

Elaborate

Elaborate on why not.

Ftr, I do town read python.....but no real read so far on the other two.

So the more info the better

This post might be just too wacky to come from scum

That post is a 0 on the Drewmometer, where's the wack

Ya seriously, figured std would know I am capable of way more wackiness as scum

[Doctor Drew]

So the more info the better

15 pages in... got any thoughts so far besides that?

Also, didn't really sink in until I read this again after I posted

But, what thoughts exactly did I give?

This seems a bit like posting to post.

(Is that a little better python?)

[Doctor Drew]

But, what thoughts exactly did I give?

This seems a bit like posting to post.

Townread on python

Ok fair enough, I meant the post more for gob to explain things and giving my town read on python was an aside lol

[Doctor Drew]

im thinking we lim python

Would definitely go you over Python

[Doctor Drew]

Elaborate on why not. Ftr, I do town read python.....but no real read so far on the other two. So the more info the better

This post might be just too wacky to come from scum

I agree, tentatively. I think a scum-Drew would be more inclined to effort, not lurk.

Tbf I am not trying to lurk, just find that this time of the day is when I can mafia the most.

[Doctor Drew]

im thinking we lim python

Would definitely go you over Python

Wow same here we'd also lim gob over ourselves

Hi5

What if you are jester though?

[Doctor Drew]

@Mod, also V/LA this weekend

[Doctor Drew]

@Mod, also V/LA this weekend

Mod

Didn't realize the no v/la thing

I can rescind that just won't be too active until much later tonight est or late tomorrow night maybe.

If you need to replace me then I understand

[Doctor Drew]

why python

I feel like Dannflors analysis said it wel enough. For me i have sorta ruled out a lot of others, but python consistently does moves that i feel are anti-town.

i dont feel as strongly on anyone, except maybe T-bone as their is a contrast in how T-bone was talking about the V/LA stuff and how T-bone talked about everything else. Feels like scum

I have a few minutes, but are you really taking T-Bone going a bit into list mod mode and commenting on the v/la stuff.......as a scum tell?

Python, scale of 1-10, how high is this on the Drew Post Meter(or DPM for short)?

[Doctor Drew]

Oh please elaborate I can't wait

Also I will allow an Ausuka vote, but thanks for thinking of me.

[Doctor Drew]

why python

I feel like Dannflors analysis said it wel enough. For me i have sorta ruled out a lot of others, but python consistently does moves that i feel are anti-town.

i dont feel as strongly on anyone, except maybe T-bone as their is a contrast in how T-bone was talking about the V/LA stuff and how T-bone talked about everything else. Feels like scum

I have a few minutes, but are you really taking T-Bone going a bit into list mod mode and commenting on the v/la stuff.......as a scum tell?

Python, scale of 1-10, how high is this on the Drew Post Meter(or DPM for short)?

Well, not even listmod mode. Questioning v/la has always been a pet peeve of mine.

But also I was pretty snarky about Black so was that post really different from the rest of my snark? Am I losing my edge? Who do I need to call a coward to get it back?

You can tell me to fuck off all you want if that helps T-Bone get his groove back.

[Doctor Drew]

Scum team might be ranger+light+python

wtf mindmeld with nairys

So why arent we voting python?

i am

Nice. Ive found you towny btw idk why others havent. no offense but i think sometimes you can be lhf type

why vote me instead of naerys who is top wagon?

Strange how gob seems to TR Naerys but then suggests her as an alternative to voting him instead of suggesting a SR of his.

Thank you for reminding me of the contradiction

VOTE: Gob

[Doctor Drew]

Scum team might be ranger+light+python

wtf mindmeld with nairys

So why arent we voting python?

i am

Nice. Ive found you towny btw idk why others havent. no offense but i think sometimes you can be lhf type

why vote me instead of naerys who is top wagon?

Strange how gob seems to TR Naerys but then suggests her as an alternative to voting him instead of suggesting a SR of his.

I think gob has a point though. LG went from the top wagon to a vanity wagon this late into D1 even though they are her bottom two scumreads. I haven't had the chance to look at the case yet but I saw the readslist

[Doctor Drew]

Scum team might be ranger+light+python

wtf mindmeld with nairys

So why arent we voting python?

i am

Nice. Ive found you towny btw idk why others havent. no offense but i think sometimes you can be lhf type

why vote me instead of naerys who is top wagon?

Strange how gob seems to TR Naerys but then suggests her as an alternative to voting him instead of suggesting a SR of his.

Thank you for reminding me of the contradiction

VOTE: Gob

Oh hi. I hope your pseudo-V/LA is going well. I'm here for 5 min before I pass tf out

I expected to be passed out drunk by now, but drank to much coffee beforehand, so here I am

[Doctor Drew]

Don't yellow M&M me

Your defense of Gob is worthy of it

[Doctor Drew]

Don't yellow M&M me

Your defense of Gob is worthy of it

I wouldn't say I'm defending him, I just see where he's coming from with the question

Why would scum not ride the bigger wagon so close to eod? Especially when they scum read them......unless are buddies

Why would town call them out for said vote on them(speaking of gob) in this regard?

I think Light is been pretty townie, or is fooling me good.

If gob is town then I could get behind a nae/light yeet

[Doctor Drew]

Why are there multiple people lowkey(and not so lowkey) defending gob??

[Doctor Drew]

Well, Dave and Dann specifically.

[Doctor Drew]

Drew's vote for gob felt pretty opportunistic. His iso shades gob a fair amount so it could be legit, but I'm not a big fan of the vote post itself or the posting about it after.

[Doctor Drew]

That holds regardless of gob's alignment.

You immediately attack my vote on Gob when I voted them, Dann then calls me scum(and makes an associative so loosely goosey with light, who is also on the Gob wagon).

Even Ranger is questioning Light, and specifically her read on gob(even though she is still on the wagon.....I think).

So ya, lowkey and not so lowkey, you, Dann, and Ranger are defending gob.

So, why?

[Doctor Drew]

You immediately attack my vote on Gob when I voted them

What's your definition of immediately?
I voted gob after you, then switched to Python, didn't like that wagon given its composition and went to T-bone I think?
Some time later I decided to check if you had a position on gob before you voted.
I suppose it's plausible you might think of all that as a short time if you weren't here for it, but if you look at timestamps it was clearly not immediate, not to mention I even voted with you before rethinking...

I honestly missed your vote on gob, I did get the timing of it all wrong(in regards to you at least).

Hold on, gotta check something

Pre Edit: Jackson? I thought something seemed off about Rangers read list haha

[Doctor Drew]

Why are there multiple people lowkey(and not so lowkey) defending gob??

Do you consider it unreasonable to defend gob here?

Less the actual defense, then the why of the defense.

I agree with you that the last post feels like townGob, I feel like at least one of (Dann, Dave, Ranger) is scum trying to use my vote/case on gob to push me.

Ranger really isn't, and would be way more nuanced as scum since she is on the wagon, but keeps pushing Light, who as I said Dann already called me buddies with them.

Dave didn't have an issue with my vote on gob until Dann really started to push me more.

I am starting to think gob was just a pawn(most likely not scum here), and Dann is the connecting lynchpin here

VOTE: Dann

[Doctor Drew]

Why are there multiple people lowkey(and not so lowkey) defending gob??

Do you consider it unreasonable to defend gob here?

Less the actual defense, then the why of the defense.

I agree with you that the last post feels like townGob, I feel like at least one of (Dann, Dave, Ranger) is scum trying to use my vote/case on gob to push me.

Ranger really isn't, and would be way more nuanced as scum since she is on the wagon, but keeps pushing Light, who as I said Dann already called me buddies with them.

Dave didn't have an issue with my vote on gob until Dann really started to push me more.

I am starting to think gob was just a pawn(most likely not scum here), and Dann is the connecting lynchpin here

VOTE: Dann

What do you mean exactly by "the why of the defense" it feels clear to me you just dislike that people are defending gob at all, rather than you asking why people are defending. "Why are there multiple" instead of "why are multiple".

Wut?

Dann didn't start his real push on me until I voted Gob, Dave didn't have an issue with my vote until Dann really pushed me, Ranger has been throwing shade at Light(and even trying to get Dann on her side), even though she has gob lowish on her list.

Something is amiss in all that.

[Doctor Drew]

Also, gob does not have a style as town that you will say 'oh he is clearly town here'

So for three people to make sure he isn't the lim means that:

A. He is scum
B. He is being used by scum

[Doctor Drew]

I don't hate drew but that would mean I would have to pretend I can ever be wrong on my GTH solve

bad news for you

I have some unfortunate news for you(or possibly what you are looking for) as well

[Doctor Drew]

I'M AFRAID I HAVE SOME BAD NEWS

[Doctor Drew]

I'M AFRAID I HAVE SOME BAD NEWS

But, you are ok with basically limming anyone?

[Doctor Drew]

I'M AFRAID I HAVE SOME BAD NEWS

image tag wrapped in a url tag that doesn't lead to the same domain is cursed as hell

Maybe I should have......used python(I don't even know if that joke even works here lol)

[Doctor Drew]

Maybe I should have......used python(I don't even know if that joke even works here lol)

Reminds me of the good ol' joke
"I like to use large fancy words so I can sound more photosynthesis"

Also, fuck you python, it was just a pic to reference what Bone posted, which he clearly got the reference.

Don't make me snap vote you here

(all jokes here btw, python is the homie)

[Doctor Drew]

I should change my username from JacksonVirgo to
usesRust or usesTypescript for sure

T-Bone can you do this for me? hehehe

This game ain't big enough for two uses

Everyone likes to useDrew though

[Doctor Drew]

I realize Dann might be a vanity wagon

VOTE: Gob

Definitely prefer this over Bone Zone and doesn't use image hosting websites(python)

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Dannflor

Nah I hate that post from Drew

I mean, not sure what you mean there......but I am all for Dann(clearly)

VOTE: Dann

[Doctor Drew]

then why vote Dannflor, that's insane

The other two aren't happening, Drew dropped off of a Dann read (who was my third in my hero solve) which made me want to be there even more just because it felt off

And yet here I am back there.

Literally why wait until I unvote Dann to start a flash wagon on Dann?

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Doctor Drew

Let's see where this leads. Drew never voted for python yesterday... quite strange. Unlike Ranger who you can make the argument did an anti-wolf play as Jackson just did. Then JV themself, who also did not vote for Python. However there was a replacement and you can make the case that JV was working on his own solve with Black and stuff.

Then you have T-Bone, who I think looks scummy on the surface, but in actuality is pretty towny and has been solving. It's weird T-bone didn't vote Python but the content is solid enough.

I wasn't gonna vote python yesterday, they are someone who appears towning to me, until they don't. So I didn't see them as scum on Day 1, therefore I didn't vote them, simple as that.

And considering I essentially wanted the lim pool between Dann and Dave(and somewhat you) yesterday, I would say that is very unlikely Dave and I are buddies lol.

Besides the obvious little wrinkle that I am town

[Doctor Drew]

That's to say I think one is off and one is on

Well if we're looking off, i think we can shrink that to people who never voted python. Taking yourself out, its T-Bone/Dr.Drew/Ranger. Ranger is (objectively imo) a 50/50. Could be TWTBAWing.

T-bone as i explained before feeling pretty towny.

So its Drew/Ranger imo, and I think a lot of people r feeling Ranger is towny.

Do you agree with this logic? If so, why not?

Also, I almost always will buss my buddy in a scenario like D1.

You don't think there was any scum on the python wagon?

[Doctor Drew]

VC 1.15

Votecount 1.15

usesPython (4):

gob, Naerys, Dannflor, humaneatingmonkey

gob (3):

light_ganski, Black, Ranger

Dannflor (2):

usesPython, Doctor Drew

T-Bone (2):

davesaz, Save The Dragons

davesaz (1):

T-Bone

JacksonVirgo (1):

JacksonVirgo

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to secure an elimination.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2024-01-29 17:40:53).

Mod notes:

• Combined mod ISO

The saddest part about this day is we're probably dead here anyways cause the only viable CW is gob and that only gets to 6 votes with light/Black/Ranger/Python/Drew/Dave since gob/Naerys/Dann/HEM/STD/T-Bone/JV all townread gob

Why would Python say this? I didn't even townread gob.
Then JV and Python started the Black counterwagon - with daveas.
Why won't they just do gob - if scum? Is gob scum?
Why is Python so sad?

I need someone with triple-digit IQ to weigh in on this.

Listen, I definitely do not get all the town reading of Gob.

But wouldn't this analysis of yours make JV and Dave look worse?

[Doctor Drew]

> Triple-digit IQ
> Doctor

checks out.

But wouldn't this analysis of yours make JV and Dave look worse?

Look worse, how? What's your take on the game so far?

Wait till you find out what I scored on the SAT's!

I am just saying, if JV and Dave started a CW......wouldn't that make them seem worse then Gob?

Since it seems you are trying to implicate Gob here.

[Doctor Drew]

Is Gob implicated, in your opinion?

Because I'm presenting the votecount, the scum's very indicative post, and questions. I don't think they necessarily implicate gob, moreso bringing up valid questions on why it happened the way it did. If people townreading gob see this, and chime in, then we'll learn what they think about it.

So, do you think JV and Dave look bad here? What's your take on that?

Imo, no Gob isn't.....this is why I don't get what you are trying to say here with python's post.

I think the way you are presenting things as far as the cw on Black, do make JV and Dave look bad(and I have been one of the few to think Dave isn't as townie as people think........and JV has been one to call Dave super townie).

Again, I think it is a real possibility that Gob is being used by scum, python isn't a dummy and I don't think they would kinda soft defend a buddy in the way you think they are.

[Doctor Drew]

Is Gob implicated, in your opinion?

Because I'm presenting the votecount, the scum's very indicative post, and questions. I don't think they necessarily implicate gob, moreso bringing up valid questions on why it happened the way it did. If people townreading gob see this, and chime in, then we'll learn what they think about it.

So, do you think JV and Dave look bad here? What's your take on that?

Imo, no Gob isn't.....this is why I don't get what you are trying to say here with python's post.

I think the way you are presenting things as far as the cw on Black, do make JV and Dave look bad(and I have been one of the few to think Dave isn't as townie as people think........and JV has been one to call Dave super townie).

Again, I think it is a real possibility that Gob is being used by scum, python isn't a dummy and I don't think they would kinda soft defend a buddy in the way you think they are.

In fact, and I think python and I are similar in this regard as scum, we both would read the tea leaves that we could be the lim and do whatever we can to make someone else seem like our buddy......at least on a very surface level.

Shout out python in the dead thread, we should probably hydra in a game soon

[Doctor Drew]

Is it possible they exaggerated to act defeated/defeatist to try and gather sympathy?

Moreso, as I said, I almost guarantee it was to promote the discussion we are having now.

[Doctor Drew]

But if there's a tiny glimmer that gob could have been the elimination (AND NOT HIM), then i think they should have played that hand. It means the hand wasn't available to be played.

Python would know how it would look if they took the initiative to push Gob first, they wanted someone else to take the initiative.

Instead the push happened on Black

[Doctor Drew]

I hope so, I like gob a lot

I don't......but I am kinda low key not liking this under the radar push of Gob by Human

[Doctor Drew]

Keep saying that until it's true, Dr Drew

Well, then what was your goal when making a post that makes gob look bad......and then asking for help to figure it out?

This is me trying to figure it out.

[Doctor Drew]

To ask for help to figure it out? As we did? That's the entire point.

Let's say that I really am pushing for gob, so what? Why are you not liking it?

I literally said I don't like how you are trying to push gob, yet acting like you are not pushing gob.

And you are pushing gob.

[Doctor Drew]

I am not pushing gob. How does that make you feel?

Yet you are trying to

How does me saying you are make you feel?

[Doctor Drew]

Well, I'm never thrilled to be gaslit in front of my fucking face. But I can cope.

Oh finally real emotion instead of these closed off responses you have been giving lol.

I have been saying quite a bit here I think you are trying for a push on gob.

I have been in the minority saying that gob isn't obvtown, and think he is scummy.

But your push here, and yes it is a push, makes me question what your intentions are here.

Like it seems you saw there was support for a gob lim in that python post, and latched onto it.

[Doctor Drew]

Okay buddy.

Legit not trying to piss you off.

But I also don't legit trust your intentions with your initial questioning of the python quote, and of me.

[Doctor Drew]

WTF I Was wary of python since beginning

Exactly the issue.

?
python was pretty obvious sus with their vote switching in rvs

Wait, this is what started the suspicions of python? No wonder I didn't pick up on anything lol.

[Doctor Drew]

Me sticking to limming python beats any scum points you may try to throw at me

You sticking to Python is precisely the giveaway.

Town players often have doubts.

Not always. Sometimes the scum is so clear that no doubts are needed.

Are you always so certain on D1?

[Doctor Drew]

python was pretty obvious sus with their vote switching in rvs

Nice try.

Dannflor did exactly the same. 6 to 9 to 12.

Yet you dropped the push on him, and kept it on usesPython.

This is kinda the same issue I had with HEM, using one tool to find scum yet kinda putting the blinders on to ignore other issues.

Difference being that I feel HEM was being genuine even though I have issues with the methodology, Nae just seems like she is trying to think of ways to prove she isn't scum.

[Doctor Drew]

I'm sorry what

Secret conversation?

Yes. We talked to each other and said one thing, yet meant another.

Again. I have receipts. You’ll be surprised how obvious they were in hindsight, you just weren’t looking.

Let's see em. I wasn't paying attention i will admit.

Yes, a lot of talk of these receipts.

Yes rl happens and stuff, but don't keep teasing it and not showing your work.

[Doctor Drew]

DkKoba replaces JacksonVirgo

nvm, I have made an error and put JacksonVirgo on replacement before the prod expired, and they are back now, so they keep the slot.

Apologies for the inconvenience for all involved.

Well we definitely dodged that bullet

I will be back very shortly, about to go on break at work

[Doctor Drew]

Spoiler: Drew ISO

Drew's first few posts are jokes

There's an interaction with python in 86, 88 and 89 that feels strange. Python defends Drew by saying people can't scumcase him, Drew asks why not, and then python responds to him but is talking like they aren't responding to him with the whole "scumreading Drew is like a fine wine". I'm not sure why they don't say "scumreading

you

is like a fine wine." It's a weird perspective for python to have. Not super compelling partner evidence but if python was wary of interacting with their partner directly then they might have subconsciously used this verbiage

@Drew what was the townread on python in 369 about?

Drew invokes python in 377. This doesn't really feel partnered. Maybe if the plan was to interact a bunch for theatre I guess. It feels like a lot of Drew's posting is about Python around this point in the game

385 another open defense of python

391 joking with python

472 invoking python again. The amount of times Drew has talked to or mentioned python is starting to seem sus

I thought 516 was weird when I read it and I still think it's weird. Drew is completely misrepping me here, and I don't think he ever responded to me when I called him out on it

677 Drew continues his pressure on gob. I like dave's 660

@Drew what was your scumread on gob based on? I scumread him too at the time but my reasons were because of how he was interacting with my slot. I don't see any reasons for you to be suspicious of him here but maybe I'm missing it

I actually like 704 and it's the towniest post so far. It feels like Drew is thinking about the players on a deeper than surface level here

765 the threat to python to snap vote them feels bad

778 back to Gob when gob's wagon was tied 3-3 with python's. Could be scum trying to manipulate the wagons in the scum teams favor here

Drew gets pressure and switches back to Dann immediately in 786. What. This reeks of Drew knowing that going back to gob and making his wagon overtake python's was scummy

Drew's reasons for not voting python in 1216 are believable but they could still come from scum

1219 a little WIFOM here. I would like to look at Drew scumgames to see if this is actually true. Off the top of my head I know he didn't bus kyouko in a recent game together. He did try to bus StD in Wilson 7p, so there is some truth here

1272 - @Drew, does python's flip not make you feel any better about gob?

I'm not getting much in Drew's 1v1 with the monkey. Drew feels a little defensive but that's about it, probably NAI

tl;dr - Still unsure about Drew here but I have a much better feel for his slot than I did before. I would like Drew to answer some of these questions

Black, the 1272 was about me thinking HEM was trying to push gob at that time

[Doctor Drew]

I'm okay with a pool of {JV, Enchant > Doctor Drew}

Sorry, {JV > Enchant > Doctor Drew}

I definitely could do JV

[Doctor Drew]

I know who another mafia is.

I really only have a hunch but its a strong tell plus theyre in my pool of four who never voted Python.

well idk, like 80% sure

Is there a reason you are being so coy about it?

[Doctor Drew]

I hope he's leading up to a spicy reveal, and I hope double that it's someone incredibly goofy that just gets rejected by everybody immediately cuz that's hilarious

No, that is what happens to me

[Doctor Drew]

I'm not really understanding Enchant's defeatism here, it doesn't feel like its overly fitting. Like, from last I remembered the focus has been spread between a few people. Like it's Ranger, Enchant and myself wagoned right now. Enchant and myself tied as per my VC program. I don't get the "do nothing but complain". I also dislike how they put undue pressure on Black for a response that isn't really needed to begin with. That being said, a few things they've said would be weird from the perspective of a wolf. Publicly mason hunting being one of them, actually checking their ISO that's the only thing.

This is a pretty sus take on Enchant in particular

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: JacksonVirgo

I might not be around for EoD so im gonna jsut drop this here. manyli agree with waht monkey has sai dabout J_V. Furthermore, i do not like the not-caring type attitude they are taking,,

I can see the precise moment the edible kicked in lol

[Doctor Drew]

But ya

VOTE: Jackson

[Doctor Drew]

Eh, it depends on the person and their meta I guess.

Whatever. Nobody hammer please.

That means you Enchant, Drew, NAerys, monkey, Black. None of you hammer early. We need to use all the time in Blitzy

Literally am already voting Jackson

[Doctor Drew]

the third is someone like T-Bone

Or Naerys

Fuk off, thanks

Do you always lash out like this when being called scum?

[Doctor Drew]

That post is a 0 on the Drewmometer, where's the wack

leaning town on Drew aswell

Just curious how that post makes me town though

[Doctor Drew]

Personally, if I had to guess I would say Drew lazy town, I lean town on JacksonVirgo, and believe it's Naerys + Enchant. However, I know I could be wrong on my guess, so I will vote anyone not clearly town.

you vote "not clearly town" virgo but here you lean town on them
some contradictions, smh

Glad I was not the only one who saw that lol

Kinda making me rethink my Jackson vote

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Ranger

[Doctor Drew]

If we don't have the support for Jackson I'd rather go Enchant over dave or Ranger

Why over Ranger?

[Doctor Drew]

If we don't have the support for Jackson I'd rather go Enchant over dave or Ranger

Why over Ranger?

I'm torn on Ranger but I feel like she's been trying to solve the game. Dann seemed pretty convinced she was in her town meta and I generally trust his reads. Also I don't really think scum!Ranger makes the move she did at the end of D1 to save python. I've gone back and forth on this but someone said the risk far outweighs the reward and I think I agree

What about her voting Jackson, then calling him a town read?

[Doctor Drew]

And Doctor Drew has seen me explain this exact stance before so should know better.

Reference.

I am willing to vote players who I personally don't believe are town when they are within my PoE and have a reasonably high chance of flipping scum.

It's both true JacksonVirgo is someone I currently lean town on and believe isn't town,
And that JacksonVirgo has a high chance of flipping scum, is within the PoE pool, and worth voting.

The two aren't mutually exclusive. My reads aren't perfect; my solves can be wrong; I'm willing to work with other players and pursue the elimination on a player they believe is scum if I feel their suspicions bear merit. This has always been my mafia philosophy and should be everyone's, so there's no big deal to be made and no contradiction within.

You should also know that I am not reading every post by everyone, especially in a large role madness game like Dats Uni that you linked.

I know you are capable of making head scratching plays as town, that also doesn't mean you can't make those same plays as scum.

[Doctor Drew]

I would have preferred HEM, Enchant was fine and it's exponentially better than me dead

no its really not. if ur not mafia you're quite conceited as a player.

anyway... ripperoni

Hello pot, meet kettle

[Doctor Drew]

Personally, if I had to guess I would say Drew lazy town, I lean town on JacksonVirgo, and believe it's Naerys + Enchant. However, I know I could be wrong on my guess, so I will vote anyone not clearly town.

you vote "not clearly town" virgo but here you lean town on them
some contradictions, smh

Personally, if I had to guess I would say Drew lazy town, I lean town on JacksonVirgo, and believe it's Naerys + Enchant. However, I know I could be wrong on my guess, so I will vote anyone not clearly town.

you vote "not clearly town" virgo but here you lean town on them
some contradictions, smh

Glad I was not the only one who saw that lol

Kinda making me rethink my Jackson vote

If we don't have the support for Jackson I'd rather go Enchant over dave or Ranger

Why over Ranger?

I'm torn on Ranger but I feel like she's been trying to solve the game. Dann seemed pretty convinced she was in her town meta and I generally trust his reads. Also I don't really think scum!Ranger makes the move she did at the end of D1 to save python. I've gone back and forth on this but someone said the risk far outweighs the reward and I think I agree

What about her voting Jackson, then calling him a town read?

I just wanna say y'all cannot be serious right now. Ranger clearly said her PoE is 4 and JV was the most likely to be town among those 4 based on her reads. Clear as day holy moly.

PoE: Drew, Jackson, Nae, Enchant

Drew: Lazy town

Jackson: Lean town

Nae and Enchant: Probably these two as scum

Let's vote Jackson

.....Ya see the issue???

[Doctor Drew]

I mean tbf Drew, they explained it as consolidating more so than voting cuz they thought I would flip wolf. You should argue that part instead of the contradiction between the reads and the vote

I don't believe it

Just like I do believe Ranger is using her past plays as town as a 'totally can't be me, I have done this play as town before'.

Shame it is an open game, she can't pull out her fake claim as town gambit as well lol

[Doctor Drew]

I was masons with gob and Dannflor.

Dann wanted JV. gob wanted T-Bone and JV. (I have no idea why he didn't push through yesterday).
gob thinks it can be anyone in the Enchant wagon (I agree).

I buy it.

Was thinking Jackson could have been masons with Gob since they lock towned them.

But now just could have just been a pocket attempt

[Doctor Drew]

why are we town reading Black and StD again

I don't think there's many town reading Black but to put it diplomatically STD is tunneling based on personality rather than play and that makes me think town because I think scum!STD would be looking at things in people's play that makes sense as scum. Do you know why STD thinks Ranger or I are scum? I don't. I think STD is stubborn and feels married to his reads, he decided I was scum on Day 1 and has never questioned this since. Don't get me wrong, most players do this. I definitely do this. I should have done this yesterday and kept my town read of Enchant's slot but that's on me because I let being wrong on Python shake me.

I'm going to go ahead and get out in front of this...but if you think I am scum then push me. Whether that's STD, Black, JV, or someone else. And I don't mean cast side eye about me possibly being scum. That's really boring. I mean do something about it, and do something about it today. Go through my ISO, make your case. I have been asking for this since Day 1. Yes, sorry, I'm going to make it difficult for you to eliminate me. But don't shy away.

The only person I actually believe thinks I am scum right now is STD. There is much evidence he is town but I'm not seeing it especially from JV frankly.

I am a bit confused, but are you town reading StD or not?

Pre Edit: I didn't read that whole wall of text, but I definitely want Ranger today as well

[Doctor Drew]

Collective "you"

For that

I just realised I never said "you" lmfao

Hey man, let me buy you a drink before you might be sent to the hellfire

[Doctor Drew]

I still don't understand how Ranger is surviving

[Doctor Drew]

I still don't understand how Ranger is surviving

I don’t think she’s a wolf, can you case her for me

I bought you a drink and this is how you repay me?

I have to show effort??

How about how Enchant was pushed when there was some heat brewing on her

[Doctor Drew]

i'm not voting outside of {Ranger, TBone} today and probably ever

It's your prerogative to vote town.

As opposed to yours that saves scum?

[Doctor Drew]

2. Enchant's elimination in a scum!JV world and a town!JV world.

In a town-JV world, D2 is a lot like D1; all town were wagoned. JacksonVirgo, Enchant, and myself were the only wagons I saw on D2 get above two votes, so it'd mean no scum were threatened. I'm not sure what information can be gleaned from this, scum usually can do whatever then.

In a scum-JV world, I would expect the remaining scum to loosely support Enchant as a wagon, without strongly defending JV. They'd know JacksonVirgo would be going down sooner than later; they'd want to avoid it being D2. They wouldn't benefit from hard-defending JV, nor hard-bussing them and potentially pushing the wagon through. Ergo, they would be in those who didn't park on JV all of D2 and didn't vote Enchant all of D2.

1175, 1225, 1250, 1475, 1533, [poat]1625[/post], 1675, 1754, then 1852 tell the story there.

Black stayed on JacksonVirgo the entire day, and would not be a JV buddy.
Doctor Drew hopped onto JacksonVirgo and would not be a JV buddy.
T-Bone voted Enchant and never stopped, and would not be a likely JV buddy.
davesaz never voted, so could not have been involved in trying to save JV.

Ergo, the likely scumbuddy for JacksonVirgo would be limited to,
{Save the Dragons, Naerys}

This is such a surface level breakdown of the votes on Jackson.

You are basically cosplaying as yourself right now

[Doctor Drew]

Aww I must have just narrowly missed T-Bone's availability

Did you purposely make your avatar my secret metal crush?

Pre Edit: I definitely agree with that Bone.....Re: wanting to have heat on me

[Doctor Drew]

I am a self-centered mafia player and just do better when I'm the center of attention. I'm the AniX of mafia if AniX played mafia (more)

Listen, I love when the main argument is about me and what my alignment is, a big part of why I loved the 9:12 game we played in together(and of course, your contribution to my sig).

So I hear ya

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Naerys

Good idea
VOTE: Naerys

VOTE: Nae

Great idea it seems

[Doctor Drew]

I still don't understand how Ranger is surviving

I would like to hear more from you

Hasn't Ranger posted enough?

Holy shit that timing

Lol, didn't even notice when she self voted

I was just looking through and had a bad feeling that you're trying to sneak under the radar

Would I do that as scum you think?

VOTE: Naerys

Good idea
VOTE: Naerys

VOTE: Nae

Great idea it seems

This is a bad vote

Honestly, getting a bit annoyed by the over dramatics while being scum read.

Especially when Jackson was at E-1, you take your vote off of him because Bone votes you?

Nah son......though I will declare intent to hammer Jackson if he is back at E-1

[Doctor Drew]

Like, why would Nae self vote there?

If you are town and being genuinely frustrated that you are being scum read, then really push for someone to hammer Jackson......ya know, the person you are voting for?

[Doctor Drew]

VC 3.04

Votecount 3.04

JacksonVirgo (3):

humaneatingmonkey, Black, Ranger

[E-2]

Naerys (3):

T-Bone, Naerys, Doctor Drew

[E-2]

T-Bone (2):

JacksonVirgo, Save The Dragons

Not Voting (1):

davesaz

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 votes to secure an elimination.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2024-02-08 01:56:12).

Mod notes:

• Combined mod ISO

I feel good having the vote between Nae and Jackson.

Looking back at a recent Rangers post, begrudgingly feeling a little better about her(and apparently I was the only one who had issues with her).

I would be shocked if Nae/Jackson doesn't contain one scum at least

[Doctor Drew]

Also hi5 everyone making sure Alianna didn't get the page top

[Doctor Drew]

Jeez, Drew comes out of the shadows and now everyone runs away.

Sad Doctor is sad

[Doctor Drew]

I would be shocked if Nae/Jackson doesn't contain one scum at least

Just because you scum-read the both of us or is there more to it

More how Nae came off your wagon to self vote.

Feels like she felt safe by self voting to save you.

Not expecting more votes on her.

[Doctor Drew]

I would be shocked if Nae/Jackson doesn't contain one scum at least

Just because you scum-read the both of us or is there more to it

More how Nae came off your wagon to self vote.

Feels like she felt safe by self voting to save you.

Not expecting more votes on her.

I mean, I don't think she was expecting more votes on her

[Doctor Drew]

Jeez, Jack comes out of the shadows and now drew runs away

Sad JV is sad

Hey bud, I am just going out for some cigarettes, I will be right back.

Pre Edit: Honestly, doesn't change much.....why would town remove their vote from you to self vote?

Let's see who flips and what they flip first though

Pre Edit2: See above(minus the bit about self vote)

Peter Edit(yes that is a thing: Stop posting heh

Counterpoint, scum didn't want to buss and realized you were at E-1 after the VC

[Doctor Drew]

Pre Edit: Honestly, doesn't change much.....why would town remove their vote from you to self vote?

Why would scum remove their vote from the likely elim to self-vote? Naerys self-voting in your logic seems to be linked to believing me as a wolf, yet you're voting her and not me. "Lets see who flips what" no, that's not what I am asking. I don't trust the thought process you have, I need you to elaborate on it.

Didn't I just say I find it likely you are both scum?

That is the only logical reason that someone who has been so over the top about being annoyed with being scum read, yet is on a wagon of someone at E-1, unvotes(onto themselves to play up the Ate a bit imo)......instead of just pushing for someone to hammer the person at E-1.

If you were annoyed at being scum read as town, yet there is someone who is on the cusp of being hammered, who btw you are voting......wouldn't you just push for someone to hammer?

Then oh look! That person flips scum, now maybe I won't be scum read so much!

Saying that last bit actually makes me think it is more likely Nae than you, Jackson.

[Doctor Drew]

Didn't I just say I find it likely you are both scum?

Yes, and I don't believe you

or

I feel like the reasoning towards you voting Naerys here over myself is clouded through the read on me. I don't believe you can realistically make the argument you did without assuming that it's because of some form of interaction with me, which you said multiple times yet keep ignoring. Referring to these quotes in particular

Spoiler: Quote List

Especially when Jackson was at E-1, you take your vote off of him because Bone votes you?

Feels like she felt safe by self voting to save you.

I mean, I don't think she was expecting more votes on her

Counterpoint, scum didn't want to buss and realized you were at E-1 after the VC

I also just said I feel like Nae would be the more likely scum as I went through typing my last post.

There doesn't seem to be a town motivation that I can think of for her to jump off you in the way she did.

[Doctor Drew]

You make the argument that it's AtE yes, which I disagree with so maybe that's making the other points you're making weighted worse but I see you link the interaction between Naerys and myself to a higher degree, or at least you're saying it more than you're not, and thus voting Naerys over me feels like you're trying to set up two mislims.

Why are you thinking Nae is a mislim?

[Doctor Drew]

And where's the scum motivation? Just trying out an AtE instead of sticking to the push on me?

If you flip town, that looks good for scumNae, no?

Especially going into lylo(which we would be at right?)

[Doctor Drew]

You seem apprehensive to say that

Wut you mean?

[Doctor Drew]

I think Naerys would much more likely stick to the wagon on me

So why didn't she?

Frustrated townie, or scum trying to secure the mislim(assuming you are town in this scenario)

Why does she hop off at this point??

[Doctor Drew]

Saying that last bit actually makes me think it is more likely Nae than you, Jackson.

Can you also elaborate on this?

I basically have, I don't think a town Nae unvotes in the way she did.

It was either to save you(you are buddies in this scenario), or to clean her hands of the mislim while using the ate she has shown as cover for it.

I do realize I am teetering on a Drew Theory here lol.....but I can't see a world where she is town

[Doctor Drew]

Also, about to drive home as well anyways lol

[Doctor Drew]

Making lunch will get back to you, answer that one tho in the meantime please

Also question for you when you get back, since you are now voting me.

If you are town and were about to be a mislim, what scum motivation would I have to vote Nae here?

[Doctor Drew]

Didn't I just say I find it likely you are both scum?

Yes, and I don't believe you

or

I feel like the reasoning towards you voting Naerys here over myself is clouded through the read on me. I don't believe you can realistically make the argument you did without assuming that it's because of some form of interaction with me, which you said multiple times yet keep ignoring. Referring to these quotes in particular

Spoiler: Quote List

Especially when Jackson was at E-1, you take your vote off of him because Bone votes you?

Feels like she felt safe by self voting to save you.

I mean, I don't think she was expecting more votes on her

Counterpoint, scum didn't want to buss and realized you were at E-1 after the VC

Wow I feel attacked

How so?

[Doctor Drew]

Making lunch will get back to you, answer that one tho in the meantime please

Also question for you when you get back, since you are now voting me.

If you are town and were about to be a mislim, what scum motivation would I have to vote Nae here?

I already said why, I think you're trying to set up two mislims. I honestly feel I'm inevitably going to be eliminated, it feels like it has to happen and I'm sure many people agree with me on this (I don't like it but who would?). Naerys is typically a linked read with me, taking into consideration your words around our slots and then Ranger being conf-bias tunnelled as well. If I go out first, it will be harder (not saying impossible) to set up the Naerys elimination after but if Naerys goes first, you can always jump back on my isolated actions such as my hard defence of Python etc. It feels like it's massively scum motivated and doesn't read to me as a genuine though process, it reeks of agenda and I don't like it

The only agenda I have is limming scum, you can disagree with my viewpoints here, but as I have been saying I don't think you are very towny as well.

As scum I just want the mislim, then go from there. Keep it simple and day by day......especially if i would be so close to victory.

I do want to hear from Bone some more here though

[Doctor Drew]

If Dave didn't hammer I would have (or probably Drew would have) so I'm not sure what the argument you're making. Someone was going to hammer.

True story, pretty sure the hammer happened when I was asleep as well....I think I remember internally saying that if they were still alive I would hammer, even though I still wasn't sure they were scum

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: JV

Focus on Drew tomorrow, thx

Echoing what everyone just said, and what I was saying about Nae yesterday(not exactly the same, but still). Unvote my man.

[Doctor Drew]

I actually kinda feel Jackson is being genuine here, would prefer Nae(as I have said).

[Doctor Drew]

I actually kinda feel Jackson is being genuine here, would prefer Nae(as I have said).

Care to elaborate? On the first bit obviously

Well I said as much yesterday I believe Nae to be scum over you.

Also would be quite the gamble for scum to put themselves at E-1 close to the end of the day, and honestly just the vibes of the end of day.

[Doctor Drew]

Anyway,

VOTE: dave

Why not Nae?

[Doctor Drew]

Anyway,

VOTE: dave

Why not Nae?

Why not you?

Do you really believe that?

[Doctor Drew]

Can't be sure I'll be back before deadline.
VOTE: JacksonVirgo

Ahh the ol hammer without knowing it is a hammer lol.

[Doctor Drew]

Can't be sure I'll be back before deadline.
VOTE: JacksonVirgo

Ahh the ol hammer without knowing it is a hammer lol.

Sure bud

That's not a hammer?

[Doctor Drew]

I am coming around on Nae a bit, still think it should be Ranger....or even Dave here

[Doctor Drew]

Cowards should have shot me

If I had a gun I would have

(Simpsons meme.gif)

[Doctor Drew]

Ranger t-bone drew should contain atleast 1 scum

I agree

[Doctor Drew]

I am coming around on Nae a bit, still think it should be Ranger....or even Dave here

Ranger t-bone drew should contain atleast 1 scum

I agree

Care to reconcile these reads?

I think you are scum......so does Nae.

Is that clear?

[Doctor Drew]

I am coming around on Nae a bit, still think it should be Ranger....or even Dave here

Ranger t-bone drew should contain atleast 1 scum

I agree

Care to reconcile these reads?

I think you are scum......so does Nae.

Is that clear?

That explains 2294.

It doesn't explain how 2294 doesn't match 2289.

I literally said you should be the lim in 2289.

What isn't clear??

[Doctor Drew]

I am coming around on Nae a bit, still think it should be Ranger....or even Dave here

Ranger t-bone drew should contain atleast 1 scum

I agree

Care to reconcile these reads?

I think you are scum......so does Nae.

Is that clear?

That explains 2294.

It doesn't explain how 2294 doesn't match 2289.

I literally said you should be the lim in 2289.

What isn't clear??

If me saying 'I am coming around a bit on Nae' is the unclear bit......I thought she was scum yesterday, but not so much now

[Doctor Drew]

The funny thing about 2294 is that Naerys lists Drew in the scum list and Drew just agrees.

Yup, because Ranger was in the list as well

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Ranger

[Doctor Drew]

Doctor Drew is being prodded.

How rude

More votes on Ranger, two more to be exact

[Doctor Drew]

To me it seems like a lot of your read is based around her pushing you

Why are you only questioning her vote on Ranger?

[Doctor Drew]

Gut says Drew but I don't have a good reason right now. I'm gonna spend some time tomorrow reading.

That's a lazy read by you, do better

[Doctor Drew]

To me it seems like a lot of your read is based around her pushing you

Why are you only questioning her vote on Ranger?

Gut says Drew but I don't have a good reason right now. I'm gonna spend some time tomorrow reading.

That's a lazy read by you, do better

What are these questions and comments accomplishing?

Jokingly giving shit to Bone, with some seriousness behind it.......is a very lazy read

Why is Black only questioning Nea's vote on Ranger, is the other point.

What is your post accomplishing?

[Doctor Drew]

i mean i can't argue that drew has about as much bite to him as a pool noodle this game

Which alignment does this typically indicate more likely for him?

Well my last scum game, coincidentally scum with std, I think you would see I had a lot more bite there.

Also a lot more bite in Boons Ahoy.

Sorry, haven't been free all day(real life day I mean lol)

[Doctor Drew]

im thinking we lim python

Would definitely go you over Python

Drew was against wagoning Python here.

Yes I was, and basically said as much on D1, and even after the lim.

I can't read them well on D1, much of what they said about reading me applies to me reading them as well.

[Doctor Drew]

Naerys is willing to vote Doctor Drew.
T-Bone is presumably willing to.
davesaz is open to it.
Black allegedly has interest in the idea.

That's the entire remaining playerlist if you read STD as town.

Yes. Don't you think forcing Doctor Drew's scumbuddy to either bus or be seen as suspect for

not

putting their money where there mouth is, would be worth it?

I do.

If Doctor Drew is scum as I suspect, wagoning him does nothing but good. Either we get a scum elimination, or we go into tomorrow with the information on who was unwilling to vote Drew despite allegedly having interest to. Win-win.

Ok now do the same thing when I flip town

[Doctor Drew]

Ok now do the same thing when I flip town

I admit. If you flip town, we've already lost.

I believe the odds of a town win are higher if I push you regardless of your alignment. I happen to believe you're scum, although if it's {Naerys, Black}, you can help demonstrate it today.

A lot of the arguments you are making for scumBlack involve the false assumption that I am scum, so for that I wouldn't be comfortable voting Black.

I still do think there is scum equity in Nae though, I could be swayed to that direction

[Doctor Drew]

Have a headache today so I will prod dodge and try again tomorrow sorry all.

Once my new title gets approved, I could prescribe you something good for that

[Doctor Drew]

unless ur scum so like
bye bye argument

As I'm town, I'll be operating with the knowledge I'll flip so.

Youre allowed to do that but you can't posit your argument as fact for everyone else because we don't know your alignment and if you are scum your argument is invalid

It'll be factual in about one day, given the complete lack of traction on Doctor Drew.

Maybe because your likely buddy had a headache and/or needed to be prodded

[Doctor Drew]

I had a dream in which Black flipped scum,lol.

Listen to your dreams, they're often prophetic.

I had a dream last night that a demon was stalking me in my house and kept touching my toes while I slept.

Would have much cooler if it was a succubus

[Doctor Drew]

oof i wanna vote you just for that post

The dream post?

[Doctor Drew]

Yes lol

Listen, it was a scary dream. I woke up literally thinking I was in my parents house and the bedroom I grew up in, and felt like something was legit grabbing my feet.

I needed a minute lol

[Doctor Drew]

skimmed drew iso and i think i want to yeet him first
i feel like drew didnt do much through whole game
VOTE: drew

So effort only comes from town?

[Doctor Drew]

skimmed drew iso and i think i want to yeet him first
i feel like drew didnt do much through whole game
VOTE: drew

Tell me this post doesn't come from scum

VOTE: Nae

[Doctor Drew]

Hammer coming soon I guess

Make peace with your god drew

Unless you are polytheist

Then make peace with your gods

Unless you are atheist

Then just die I guess

Unless you are agnostic

Then ?????

More agnostic.

Also clear it is Nae(not as my God lol, as scum)

[Doctor Drew]

skimmed drew iso and i think i want to yeet him first
i feel like drew didnt do much through whole game
VOTE: drew

So effort only comes from town?

no but if ranger is scum, she puts rather good effort into it and i wouldnt mind losing to her
on the other side you are kinda stuck on "nae is scum" and then there is nothing else

You wanna explain that?

I have been adamant about about Ranger being scum, and have gone back and forth on you being scum.

And if I was scum why would I back off Ranger at this point in the day? Only would make sense in a world we are both scum(and spoiler, that is impossible).

And you aren't even calling her town lol......but for some reason now you are just fine letting her do her thing? You feel safe since she isn't calling you scum anymore?

[Doctor Drew]

can you both just vote ranger

VOTE: Ranger

[Doctor Drew]

Well I hate that even more!

nth

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Dave

Just gonna park my vote here, Bone is the only person I town read to a good degree, slightly less with Black

[Doctor Drew]

I almost want to be wrong about Dave, so I can just say that all of my reads were complete horse shit this game lol

[Doctor Drew]

I knew Drew was either scum or throwing by voting that fast. That's why you don't vote right off in mislim & lose situations.
Definitely would have swung to Black yesterday if there had been enough time.
STD felt off the entire game but I allowed myself to be dissuaded from pursuing it, largely because I don't think I've ever seen good STD.

Not throwing, just utterly confused and wanted to selfishly be correct about something.

But ya, should have held out, didn't even think about it being lylo, I was a mess this game lol

[Doctor Drew]

STD felt off the entire game but I allowed myself to be dissuaded from pursuing it, largely because I don't think I've ever seen good STD.

I've thought a lot about what you said here, probably too much, tbh. I'm not well and it's not your fault I've been dwelling on this for the past few hours and not on the fact I just won a game.

My desired response has changed from anger to hurt to indignation to a vengeful insult to honesty to honest advice.

I think I will leave it at this though.

I think some people equate the appearance of effort with playing a good game.

You were definitely able to manipulate in a very subtle way, and watching you in Wilson as well(hi5 for that victory), I definitely can say I have you be very good.

[Doctor Drew]

STD felt off the entire game but I allowed myself to be dissuaded from pursuing it, largely because I don't think I've ever seen good STD.

I've thought a lot about what you said here, probably too much, tbh. I'm not well and it's not your fault I've been dwelling on this for the past few hours and not on the fact I just won a game.

My desired response has changed from anger to hurt to indignation to a vengeful insult to honesty to honest advice.

I think I will leave it at this though.

I think some people equate the appearance of effort with playing a good game.

You were definitely able to manipulate in a very subtle way, and watching you in Wilson as well(hi5 for that victory), I definitely can say I have you be very good.

*Have seen you be very good

[Doctor Drew]

funnily enough Rangers mason fakeclaim almost won town the game on the spot by derailing the planned bus. We couldn't deny it without losing distancing cred and we couldn't claim it without losing the ability to endgame once the masons came out

I've a funny habit of derailing scum's plans with my fakeclaims.

ranger's on an entirely different level. props to her

When others play checkers, some play chess.

I play Mao.

The irony is that I was so tunneled on you connecting Black with me, so I couldn't understand your angle outside of you being scum........but like much of this game if I just stepped back for a minute I would have seen it.

I need a reverse scummie nomination for this game lol

[Doctor Drew]

We need a Darwin award thing to run alongside the scummies

I will gladly accept a banner underneath my name for 'Worst Town Performance' lol