Mini Normal 2327: Bird Species (Game Over)

[Black]

You already tried to fade me and it didn't work. The next logical step is to shoot me

Okay maybe it is for you when you play vigi, but we do things a little different where i come from

Yeah, I shoot people I think are scum

Why did you exaggerate your scumread on me?

[Black]

It's pretty obvious your progression is fake and you're just making stuff up on the fly

Sorry it has to be this way gob but hey, at least you outted the Vig! Mission accomplished for you

[Black]

It's pretty obvious your progression is fake and you're just making stuff up on the fly

Sorry it has to be this way gob but hey, at least you outted the Vig! Mission accomplished for you

Ive been totally consistent. You have been poisoning the well and trying to catargorize my actions or straight up inventing stuff like me tryi my to get you to claim

If you're scum you're trying to get me to claim. It's not hard to understand why I think that

[Black]

Gut's yelling me it's Gob and Black together doing theater.

I'll have to consult with my gut over this while dreaming.

RN trying to push this narrative after he already said he was going to sleep is pretty scummy

[Black]

The plan seems to be to try to fade me over his scum buddy gob and when I flip town he'll say "oh well I guess they're not partnered, maybe gob is town"

[Black]

Rude

[Black]

I need to say it before I go to sleep.

1) There's no way there's two Vigs in thus game, so one if Gob/Snow are lying and thus Scum.

2) Some of Black's recent posts pinged my gut. I play based on gut. Her over-reactions piqued my interest. Haven't even poked at her, just said she pinged my gut (OMG!), and she responded more than what seemed normal. When I awake I'll probably reach out a singular claw and give a little tickle. That ought to be fun. See you soon.

My response to your faulty logic has been perfectly fine. You can't even explain why you're voting for me over the guy you think is fake claiming Vig. "Gut" just isn't going to cut it here. You're choosing gut over logic which makes me feel like there's an agenda there

[Black]

Gut's yelling me it's Gob and Black together doing theater.

I'll have to consult with my gut over this while dreaming.

RN trying to push this narrative after he already said he was going to sleep is pretty scummy

Trying to throw everything including the floorboards, eh?

You're scummy af, that's not my problem

[Black]

"one of Snow/gob is scum and I think it's gob, but I'm going to vote for the player I think could be gob's scumbuddy"

This isn't a townie thought progression

[Black]

Gut's yelling me it's Gob and Black together doing theater.

I'll have to consult with my gut over this while dreaming.

my gut reaction was the same. something about gob and blacks back and forth feels manufactured. I can't pinpoint where though. I think gob is a goon but we'll know that at the end of the day

Yeah, that. The exchanges felt... odd. Not natural.

Help me fade gob then

[Black]

Gut's yelling me it's Gob and Black together doing theater.

I'll have to consult with my gut over this while dreaming.

my gut reaction was the same. something about gob and blacks back and forth feels manufactured. I can't pinpoint where though. I think gob is a goon but we'll know that at the end of the day

Yeah, that. The exchanges felt... odd. Not natural.

Help me fade gob then

Why the rush?

Why do you think I can't just launch you first and then savage the other two?

There's no rush. I just don't think you'll actually help me fade gob despite thinking he's scum

Why would you rather fade me first over gob anyway?

[Black]

Also why do you keep posting despite saying several times you're going to bed? It feels like you have this need to keep up with the thread because someone is calling you scum. It's giving nervous energy

[Black]

Gut's yelling me it's Gob and Black together doing theater.

I'll have to consult with my gut over this while dreaming.

my gut reaction was the same. something about gob and blacks back and forth feels manufactured. I can't pinpoint where though. I think gob is a goon but we'll know that at the end of the day

Yeah, that. The exchanges felt... odd. Not natural.

Help me fade gob then

Why the rush?

Why do you think I can't just launch you first and then savage the other two?

There's no rush. I just don't think you'll actually help me fade gob despite thinking he's scum

Why would you rather fade me first over gob anyway?

...

Why do you keep constantly rushing to conclusions?

I haven't even done anything and you're all twitchy.

Rushing to conclusions? Just answer the question dude lol. Stop trying to paint my questions as something they are not

You're voting for me over gob so clearly you would rather fade me over him. Why is that?

[Black]

If anything it's RN's vote that is making Black nervous. The vote is working well.
Posting after feeling sleepy means nothing. There can be many valid reasons for that.

I'm not nervous at all

[Black]

If anything it's RN's vote that is making Black nervous. The vote is working well.
Posting after feeling sleepy means nothing. There can be many valid reasons for that.

I'm not nervous at all

...your reactions tell me otherwise.

Answer my question

[Black]

Will you please explain why you would rather fade me over gob?

[Black]

I don't understand why you are being so difficult

[Black]

So your gut read on me being scum is stronger than your gut read on gob being scum? Am I understanding that correctly?

[Black]

I don't understand why you are being so difficult

You think this is difficult?

I mean yeah. You accused me of jumping to conclusions even though apparently my conclusion was correct

Like wut?

[Black]

So your gut read on me being scum is stronger than your gut read on gob being scum? Am I understanding that correctly?

Currently, yeah.

Your last 20+ posts in response to me simply saying my gut has an idea on you haven't helped you.

So let me get this straight

You think one of gob/Snow is definitely scum, and you think it's probably gob

You have a gut feeling that I'm scum with gob

You would rather fade me over gob because your gut is telling you I'm more likely to be scum than him, despite you previously stating that one of Snow/gob is scum

This doesn't add up

[Black]

Gut pinging on Gob and Black.

VOTE: Black

Then why not just vote gob?

I can sort those two out later: one of them is clearly Scum.

This one is really starting my gut.

This is NOT a townie thought process

[Black]

"one of Snow/gob is scum and I think it's gob, but I'm going to vote for the player I think could be gob's scumbuddy"

This isn't a townie thought progression

I agree!

Finally some logic in the thread. Sheesh

[Black]

I feel like these conversations with RN and NAS have made my brain melt

[Black]

What are the odds of rn and black being tvt and scum is actually not saying much as NAS said

It's possible

I really don't understand RN's progression if he's town though

[Black]

Also what was the benefit of gob claiming right now. Did he think his partner would get heat today or something?

If he's scum then he wanted to out the Vig. He started pushing me when he realized the Vig was one-shot

[Black]

Gob + Black + Hu Tao?

strong possibility. HT jumping after the wagon stabilises isn't earning her any towncred

Why is Hu scummy for voting for gob?

[Black]

Also what was the benefit of gob claiming right now. Did he think his partner would get heat today or something?

If he's scum then he wanted to out the Vig. He started pushing me when he realized the Vig was one-shot

Which post made him realize the Vig was one-shot?

Snow claimed 1-shot

[Black]

I agree RN's posting has been really questionable

I ask him why he scumreads gob, he says he doesn't

I ask him why he would rather fade me over gob, he says I'm jumping to conclusions

Like I don't get RN's motive here if he's town. It doesn't make sense to me

[Black]

I'm not sure why so many people are thinking I'm scum with gob

[Black]

I'm not sure why so many people are thinking I'm scum with gob

remember certain game where you succesfully distanced and won as a scum? the memory is still fresh

Yeah I get that. I understand why people think it's possible, but likely? Idk

[Black]

Also what was the benefit of gob claiming right now. Did he think his partner would get heat today or something?

If he's scum then he wanted to out the Vig. He started pushing me when he realized the Vig was one-shot

Which post made him realize the Vig was one-shot?

Snow claimed 1-shot

Snow never claimed 1-shot

Oh true. He could be an odd-night Vig

[Black]

Snow to be clear you should NOT reveal that

[Black]

Why did you assume that Black?

I wasn't thinking about other gated Vig roles

[Black]

sus people:
gob
NotAScum
RN
StD

Town:
Smiley
Snow

Hu,Black,shaddowez are null

Why StD in the sus pool?

Do you townread StD?

[Black]

Gob should be our target today for sure. The possible scum team is gob + black + ht

I'm OK with launching Gob.

However, if it turns out he's Scum I cannot stress enough putting scrutiny on Black.

Who do you think is scum in a town!gob world?

[Black]

o7 gob

[Black]

VOTE: Random Nurse

I think the way he initially sided with gob to try and get me faded indicates he was part of the scum agenda. There's a chance he was just scumsiding as town, I just don't think the thought process of "gob is lying scum, but my gut is telling me Black is his partner so I want to go Black first" makes any sense for a townie to have. He didn't back off of me and switch to gob until gob's lim was inevitable

I have a theory on the third but I want to keep that under wraps for now

[Black]

T3->NotScum->Nurse------->Black--> (everyone else not in my keep category)

This would describe where i'm at in terms of priority launch order right now.

My thoughts about T3 212 still hold up. I'm not sure what to make of there 449 walkback. Gut instinct, it feels bad to me to 180 on their position given the other posts within the ISO but I probs need to think on it more.

I'm taking NotScum's 464 as a sign they may become easier to get a read on from day 2 onward (otherwise they'd probs be on the same rank as T3 for not providing much to work with)


VOTE: T3

Out of curiosity what's your reasoning for me being there?

I would hate to think you're being opportunistic.

This feels overly defensive

If it means preventing a no-lim I am open to hammering.

VOTE: T3

Clock is running out.

VOTE: no lim

Are you new?

We NEED info Night 1. Please put your vote back on T3.

While these posts aren't inherently scummy, the desperation I'm sensing here feels more of the scummy nature. In particular I don't like the way Nurse addresses Ari here. He accuses her of being new instead of being scum and asks her to put her vote back on T3. I think this is an indication that Nurse knew Ari was town

[Black]

I think in general the way RN doesn't really sus any of the "no lim" crowd is pretty noteworthy to me. I think town!RN would find this behavior scummy, but he doesn't really seem too bothered by it. At least not in a "I'm trying to figure out your alignment" kind of way

[Black]

Smiley town

I think one of Nurse/NAS is scum but probably not both. This is a gut feeling based on 474. The way Nurse asks this makes me think they're unpartnered

Currently I'm feeling like NAS is just newtown but I should probably reevaluate

[Black]

Well it looks like I copied Smiley's thought there but I swear I didn't

[Black]

What if there are two vigs who both shot cakez

I don't like this line of thought.

I don't see how there'd be two Vigs in a 13-player game. Doesn't fit.

What if there are two vigs who both shot cakez

I don't like this line of thought.

I don't see how there'd be two Vigs in a 13-player game. Doesn't fit.

Can it be that town has 2 vigs at the expense of lifting another power role?

I highly, highly doubt it, because now you're talking three potential kills in one night.

No, I don't see that as a possibility one bit, and I do challenge Scum to offer me their heads if they disagree.

Gut pinging on Gob and Black.

I mean yeah it doesn't feel very logical to want to fade me instead of the guy you think is fake claiming Vig

…


Did I say that?

I said my gut pinged on both Gob and you. That’s it.

Over-extend much?

This fourth quote doesn't go with the first three quotes. RN is of the mindset that there cannot be two Vigs, and he thinks one of Snow/gob is lying scum (994). It feels weird that RN gets defensive and acts like I'm accusing him of taking some absurd stance by saying he wants to fade me over someone he thinks is fake claiming Vig. This reaction feels really bad

[Black]

I mean yeah it doesn't feel very logical to want to fade me instead of the guy you think is fake claiming Vig

…


Did I say that?

I said my gut pinged on both Gob and you. That’s it.

Over-extend much?

Why do you scumread gob?

I didn’t say that.

I just feel two Vigs can’t exist and between Gob and Snow my gut pinged on Gob.

Can’t exactly explain intuition.

Also why is RN so reluctant to express a scumread on Gob here? If he's scum then maybe he thinks it'll hurt or discredit the Mafia's attempted push on me

[Black]

I need to say it before I go to sleep.

1) There's no way there's two Vigs in thus game, so one if Gob/Snow are lying and thus Scum.

2) Some of Black's recent posts pinged my gut. I play based on gut. Her over-reactions piqued my interest. Haven't even poked at her, just said she pinged my gut (OMG!), and she responded more than what seemed normal. When I awake I'll probably reach out a singular claw and give a little tickle. That ought to be fun. See you soon.

This just feels like an overjustification to vote for me over gob. If scum's plan was to try and get me faded over gob then this fits in so freaking perfectly

Gut pinging on Gob and Black.

VOTE: Black

Then why not just vote gob?

I can sort those two out later: one of them is clearly Scum.

This one is really starting my gut.

"One is clearly scum but I'm going with gut instead" just can't be a townie progression here. This had to have been part of an agenda to fade me

[Black]

Looking through Gob's early day 1. I feel pretty confident that StD is also town here. I feel the repeated attempts at an StD push from Gob suggest that's not partnered either. I feel especially that 203 using an oog argument in order to attempt an StD push feels a bit dishonest in such a manner that I'd believe would be unlikely to come from scumbuddies distancing. It's tricky to explain, but To me, it just intuitively feels like StD is town here based on Gob's day 1 interaction with them.

I agree. I think if RN flips scum then StD is even more likely town based on a theory I have that all the "no-lim" crowd was town and that's why RN couldn't really sus them. We already know Ari and Snow were town. If NAS is town then I would think StD would be too in this scum!RN world

[Black]

Smiley what are your thoughts on Hu Tao

[Black]

I think in general I feel pretty good about her atm. I'm currently combing through Gob at the moment though, so that maybe could change things.

Speaking of which, feels like Gob was consistently transitioning between feeling neutral on Naerys and shading/scumreading her. Would say it feels less partnery to me right now

Why does this behavior make them feel less partnery?

[Black]

Naerys what are your team theories atm

[Black]

sus people:
gob
NotAScum
RN
StD

Town:
Smiley
Snow

Hu,Black,shaddowez are null

lotta sus people and only four town. Seems fake to me

I think I'm more wary of Naerys because I'm not sure why gob would townspew her like this after he fake claimed Vig and there was a real possibility that he would be faded

[Black]

Gob what are your reads

You Snow, i think NAS js townie. Smiley, Narrys. Like them

Why do you like Naerys

Seems good to me

He does townread Naerys here. He wouldn't really elaborate though

[Black]

Okay i think the team is snow and black + someone else.

Anyway there is no reason to lim Snow here today. Lets get Black.

There is no snese in limming a conf-scum.

what? you can't be serious

There is no snese in limming a conf-scum.

what? you can't be serious

i am serious. Ill lim Snow over most others thiuhh, today.

I want to say this is unpartnered, but could be theatre

[Black]

VOTE: Black

It is clear to me that Black and Gob are teammates.

How confident are you that Hu is our third?

[Black]

Black needs to go. Her attempt at distancing was poor and awkward. It never felt a genuine interaction between gob and Black, her response was over the top and showy. Just go and read her iso and tell me it's a genuine attempt to find a scum, she seemed to have made her mind throughout the conversation with gob. It wasn't genuine at all.

VOTE: Black

You're completely wrong. I'm clearly trying to solve the game, and I was right about gob. You say that I had my mind made up but you seem to be ignoring the context. I thought gob was scum D1, and Snow had been one of the towniest players ever to exist. Once he counterclaimed gob I just knew gob was scum

[Black]

VOTE: Black

It is clear to me that Black and Gob are teammates.

Black needs to go. Her attempt at distancing was poor and awkward. It never felt a genuine interaction between gob and Black, her response was over the top and showy. Just go and read her iso and tell me it's a genuine attempt to find a scum, she seemed to have made her mind throughout the conversation with gob. It wasn't genuine at all.

VOTE: Black

I will say even though I only think one of these two is scum, these posts back to back is a little jarring

[Black]

Awfully quick of Black to vote gob without giving the guy a chance to explain. Also I doubt a real vig would outright claim vig when they can just kill the imposter during night

I tried to explain in my 787. 2 wagons, one against a townie, need to understand who is on the 2nd for D2 analysis. I have figured out that Cakez would be under fire at D2 anyway.
Don't understand Gob's motive. At first I even did not realise he was claiming Vig's role. Probably to find out who is Vig. But why a scummy me would have made a claim to challenge Gob-Vig if no-one is really pushing me?

Why did you wait to claim vig? I guess you had to discuss it in the pt first

This defense of gob mixed with shade on Snow feels bad

[Black]

Honestly I don't really care if you think I'm scummy. We have guaranteed scum within gob/snow and I'm excited about that prospect

or could it be that they're both town? Notice gob hasn't actually claimed he's vig, it's implied. But he could've another town power role and just doesn't want to give it away. This'd also explain why he doesn't want to lim Snow. And this'd also explain why you'd be so excited to kill either of them

gob makes a lot of tongue in cheek posts. I didn't even take his cakez claim seriously at first

I seriously doubt there's two vigs in a game of 13. Not saying it's impossible, but the chance is astronomically small. I'm more inclined to believe snow here, mafia are more likely to fake claim first than to counter claim to the real role. But one thing in that case is, other than by guessing, how did gob figure out the vig killed cakez?

More defending gob

[Black]

SmileyDude1, what do you think of Black? Do you think she's honest in her assessments or have some ulterior motive like I suspect?

Here it seems like NAS is trying to get a feel for how much support a Black wagon could get

[Black]

Gob is probably a goon. It's not hard to guess cakez got killed by vig and gob is used to lure vig. Black is his scummate and now is just distancing

Hmmmm

[Black]

VOTE: NotAScum

[Black]

Black and HT, would you two explain what were you doing last night?

D1 threadplays are pretty much worthless. I'm more interested in what you guys did last night.

What was this about?

[Black]

NAS why are you asking everyone if they performed actions N1? You do realize this information only helps scum right?

[Black]

NAS why are you asking everyone if they performed actions N1? You do realize this information only helps scum right?

I didn't ask everyone, only 3 people. And these information can help certain town roles too.

This is an awful take. You're trying to out the town power roles. That's extremely anti-town

[Black]

Smiley what are your thoughts on Hu Tao

Looking at Hu Tao+ Gob, I think I feel marginally worse about her than I did before. Looking at it from Gob's end, the most notable interactions for me were 129 where Gob accuses Hu Tao of a slip (This feels +town for Hu Tao. I feel like scum usually don't go for that method of distancing), 499 and 500 where he proclaims T3 as town after Hu Tao said she'd rather vote there (feels like shade), 749 where he calls Hu Tao his friend (eyebrow-raising though probs incorrect to read too much into it) and 1096 which could just as feasibly be distancing given the period in which he said that.

Looking at it from Hu Tao's end. The early part of the day 2 interactions are tough for me to parse. Looking back, the early push on you feels kind of bad and they also initially defended Gob during the vig CC stuff. Though I think their progression in regards to this feels perfectly reasonable, transitioning to agreement that it's just Gob when she realizes that he's not dropping the CC. I also think the way they approached this situation doesn't feel like it's informed. Like I feel like if you're scum in that position when Gob makes the vig claim, it makes more sense to stray away from Gob in case they get CCed (which is what happened). Instead, Hu Tao holds onto Gob town narrative for longer then what i'd expect in the event they were his scum partner.

Would probs put them in the same tier as Naerys. They generally feel towny to me, I wouldn't rule them out completely but I don't feel like looking there today.

(Smiley, Black, StD)
(Hu Tao, Naerys)
(Shaddowez) <--- This one's mostly here due to not getting another chance to look at them yet, a placeholder so to speak.
(Nurse, NotScum)

I mean it's obvious I'm not partnered with Gob because of how I saw him claim vig and thought he was doing it to take a night kill

You are absolutely not cleared here

[Black]

I can see Gob/RN here

What happened to this

[Black]

VOTE: Random Nurse

[Black]

Mmhmm

[Black]

I have a theory on the third but I want to keep that under wraps for now

I might as well reveal this now. The third is Hu

[Black]

I don't think StD has done anything to deserve a townread but I have a gut feeling that he's town

[Black]

I can see Gob/RN here

What happened to this

I think it's one of RN or NAS and I'm leaning NAS. I've seen RN be this stubborn on me before and he was town so I could see that here.

Why do you think only one of them is scum?

[Black]

I don't think StD has done anything to deserve a townread but I have a gut feeling that he's town

Interesting we have similar reads but you still scumread me. Why am I scum?

I don't think your reads would be particularly hard to fake if you are scum

I think gob's partners are within {RN/NAS, Naerys, Hu Tao} and I think you're scummier than Naerys

[Black]

NAS might be a gob partner

Guess you're thinking it's me gob and NAS now

This felt overly self-conscious and framed in a way that makes me think you were trying to figure out how I was reading you at the time

[Black]

@RN would you be willing to vote Hu today?

[Black]

im always cryin like a bitch

Arent you dead? Or did you get revive somehow?

He's dead and breaking the rules

[Black]

NAS do you understand that outting the town PRs is more beneficial to the scum team than town?

[Black]

I want to talk to you about this because I'm having a hard time understanding why you keep asking people what they did N1

[Black]

I keep forgetting shaddow exists in this game. I suppose he should go into my PoE as well

[Black]

I am less sure on Black being town. I think her reads lately have been sus. And I don't see her reasoning for scumreading me. Even if she thought it was me and RN that's contingent on RN being scum. And has yet to say reasons why I'm scum independently

I actually think there's a world where both RN/NAS are town and you're scum with someone like Naerys or shaddow

You think my reads lately have been sus? That doesn't seem very truthful considering you just said we had similar reads and tried to use that as a reason why I should townread you

I scumread you because you're in the PoE and you haven't done anything that has made me go "oh I guess Hu is town"

This "I'm not sure about Black anymore" feels completely fake

[Black]

I think if I hadn't revealed that I think Hu is probably scum then she wouldn't have flipped on me like she just did, and I think that implies she's probably scum

[Black]

Scum!Hu can't keep a townread on me because her townread on me was an attempt to pocket me. Now that it's not working she has to reverse course and put me back in the PoE

[Black]

VOTE: Hu Tao

Kinda want to resolve this before RN/NAS tbh

[Black]

UNVOTE:

Actually that's not a good vote that's not going to go anywhere. I need to solve in rn/nas/black now.

Smiley can you tell me what you think of what I said about Black's recent push on me?

This is Hu Tao posturing to push me btw

[Black]

I am less sure on Black being town. I think her reads lately have been sus. And I don't see her reasoning for scumreading me. Even if she thought it was me and RN that's contingent on RN being scum. And has yet to say reasons why I'm scum independently

I actually think there's a world where both RN/NAS are town and you're scum with someone like Naerys or shaddow

You think my reads lately have been sus? That doesn't seem very truthful considering you just said we had similar reads and tried to use that as a reason why I should townread you

I scumread you because you're in the PoE and you haven't done anything that has made me go "oh I guess Hu is town"

This "I'm not sure about Black anymore" feels completely fake

Yes. Because you're looking like you might be setting up to miselim me today and someone else tomorrow in rn/Nas whoever is town

Why would you assume I'm trying to mislim you today if you townread me? Wouldn't your first thought be "oh maybe Black actually thinks I'm scum"

[Black]

Yep. Just as I thought. Hu is confscum

[Black]

Yeah I think I was wrong sorry RN. I should have listened to you yesterday

More votes on Hu please

[Black]

What are the odds of rn and black being tvt and scum is actually not saying much as NAS said

It's possible

I really don't understand RN's progression if he's town though

Hm.

Gut's screaming at me that it's Black and she simply cannot abide.

That said, if you want to launch between Gob and Snow have at it. I'd be more inclined to launch Gob currently, pending further scrutiny.

Gob + Black + Hu Tao?

strong possibility. HT jumping after the wagon stabilises isn't earning her any towncred

Why is Hu scummy for voting for gob?

RN is always paranoid. So he could actually be town here. I won't rule it out. NAS I'm unsure

Hm.

Gut's screaming at me that it's Black and she simply cannot abide.

That said, if you want to launch between Gob and Snow have at it. I'd be more inclined to launch Gob currently, pending further scrutiny.

Remember when your gut kept screaming at me I was scum and I was town. Try to think in a world black is town for a bit

Look at this jump from yesterday from black

My reads are notoriously fluid when I'm town. This isn't the "gotcha" that you think it is

[Black]

VOTE: Dragons

I feel most confident in this.

there is no way this is true

Ding ding

Hu is lying scum

Feel free to join the wagon fenrir

[Black]

Notice how YESTERDAY I said I prefer NAS over RN. But it is only TODAY that she has an issue with it.

I had an issue with it yesterday, I just wanted to keep my theory under wraps for a bit

[Black]

VOTE: Dragons

I feel most confident in this.

there is no way this is true

Why are you town

This is a weird question

[Black]

Notice how YESTERDAY I said I prefer NAS over RN. But it is only TODAY that she has an issue with it.

I had an issue with it yesterday, I just wanted to keep my theory under wraps for a bit

This is a lie. Because you asked RN why me voting gob was scummy

And? Why is it strange that I want one theoretical partner to talk about the other?

[Black]

Hu is openwolfing at this point

I caught gob. Trust me here and help me fade Hu

@RN @NAS - if you think Hu is my partner you should tag along

[Black]

If Hu flips green I'll gladly lay down and die D3

[Black]

Hu is openwolfing at this point

I caught gob. Trust me here and help me fade Hu

@RN @NAS - if you think Hu is my partner you should tag along

TAKING CREDIT FOR CATCHING GOB LMAO

Yep. I called him out as scum D1 and I led the push D2 after he was cc'd

[Black]

VOTE: gob

this is me catching gob on post 41 (ignore any other posts) so basically i win

get on my level

[Black]

VOTE: Dragons

I feel most confident in this.

there is no way this is true

Why are you town

the thing you said was you were most confident in me being scum and I really doubt that part, that you'd actually feel most confident about me, not whether or not i'm scum

VOTE: hu tao

Maybe you misunderstood or you're scum. Because I think Naerys Shadow Smiley are town. RN/Nas/black I don't see as a team. So you're left. Why would I not be confident?

"Maybe you misunderstood or you're scum"

*Proceeds to explain that StD has to be scum in her process of elimination*

[Black]

There's no way town!Hu completely disregards her townread on me simply because I started to push her

Vote scum, guys

[Black]

Hu, what do you think about Black + STD?

I'm assuming you townread Hu all of the sudden?

[Black]

Oof. I hope you feel better Naerys

[Black]

Oh cool so RN is just ignoring me

You're real fun to play with buddy

[Black]

I hope RN is scum because if he's town then he's just actively throwing the game

[Black]

I'm a town PR. I'd rather not reveal my role as it would greatly benefit scum if I do

[Black]

I'm a town PR. I'd rather not reveal my role as it would greatly benefit scum if I do

Yeah, I get you need more time to formulate a fake claim.

If you're not going to share what your PR is then don't mention you have one.

I have my reasons. You don't get to tell me how to play

[Black]

Scumreading me for associations with gob is a lazy read and if you're town then you should reevaluate

[Black]

Ngl I wouldn't expect you to unvote here if you're scum. I guess you could be trying a LAMIST approach but I think it would be easy for you to paint my partial claim as scummy

[Black]

If you're town then my head goes back to one of RN/NAS as scum and then one of the lurkers, probably either Naerys or shaddow

[Black]

I have a hard time picturing you as town though after this weird push on me. I don't think town!you would be suspicious of me being sus of you

[Black]

I have a hard time picturing you as town though after this weird push on me. I don't think town!you would be suspicious of me being sus of you

Why wouldn't I? You started saying I was scum after I basically said the same thing as yesterday. Also if I'm town what do you think of Dragons push on me right after? Also if I'm town what do you think of RN not just voting me if he's scum?

I'm a little wary of the way Dragon seems to be following my vote around but I'm not sure if that's scum indicative. If you're town then I don't think it makes sense for RN to move to you as either alignement when it seems like there's more support for my wagon

[Black]

To clarify I think scum!RN would still vote for me since he's been pushing the Black/gob narrative for a hot minute and it would look strange for him to abandon that now

[Black]

VOTE: NAS

I still want this

Do you think his whole "who did everyone target N1?" thingy is just him being ballsy and not caring how scummy he looks? I'm almost getting TWTBAW vibes here

[Black]

I'll ask you different set of questions now, what did you do N1, SmileyDude1? Did you visit anyone? Who and why?

Like this just has to be town right? It's giving "I need information to help solve the game as town" moreso than "I need this information to win the game as scum"

[Black]

Tinfoiling a Smiley/Hu solve for post-game cred

[Black]

Any consensus on the expected number of Scum members this game?

I'm thinking it's safe to assume it's 3.

Don't bitch about me asking.

Going to bed now, and will be up later this evening. No quickhammers either.

VOTE: nurse

I think cakes vote seemed weird though. And nurses post seemed forced that I quoted. I'm fine with either of them being the elimination so far

First impressions on what happened so far.

I feel like the manner Gob has gone about the early game feels fairly aggressive in a manner that I wouldn't expect to come from scum this early into the day. I don't really agree with his rationale for limming Black here (at least on the base level of "policy lim" probs going to read through Black again afterwards to clarify my thoughts there).

Think so far I feel the worst about Nurse. From what I know of him they can be pretty aggressive at times in tone but their exchange with STD feels like there is a defensive undertone underneath there that's pinging me at the moment

Any consensus on the expected number of Scum members this game?

count the number of names in your pm

And what did you think you'd gain from your weak attempt at casting shade at me, STD?

I want you to explain your intention.

Fine.

We'll see how much it was "just a joke" as the this Day wears on.

VOTE: Random Nurse

My brain also pinged a slight bit at NotaScum's vote on 94 due to its position on the wagon and for being a bit of a sheep vote, but I realized it's not really fair to isolate it due to other votes on the wagon feeeling similar.

I mostly agree with what you're saying. Especially with RN

VOTE: random nurse

I'm going back to this for now. I'm always wrong on cakez so I'll let the vote slide for now

Either way, I think nurse is still the best vote right now based off what I said earlier

Random Nurse - unsure, leaning sus. Could just be busy
NotAScum - Is a scum
Hu Tao - Hu Taown
SmileyDude1 - Towny
Black - towny
T3 - idk
gob - gob
SirCakez - idk
Naerys - idk
Snow2697 - towniest town to ever town
shaddowez - towny based on lady interaction
Aristeia - towny
Save the Dragons - idk

T3->NotScum->Nurse------->Black--> (everyone else not in my keep category)

This would describe where i'm at in terms of priority launch order right now.

My thoughts about T3 212 still hold up. I'm not sure what to make of there 449 walkback. Gut instinct, it feels bad to me to 180 on their position given the other posts within the ISO but I probs need to think on it more.

I'm taking NotScum's 464 as a sign they may become easier to get a read on from day 2 onward (otherwise they'd probs be on the same rank as T3 for not providing much to work with)


VOTE: T3

I didn't realize NotAScum was new too. So I'm willing to give him more time. I'm fine with t3

VOTE: t3

Hu why did you vote for T3 here over RN?

[Black]

Bringing this back again

<---- My Brain after reading these last few pages

Ok given the cat's out of the bag now I think it's best for me to claim what I know.

I am a town neapolitan

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N1: Checked Black. came up not a VT
N2 Checked StD. came up a VT

I'm inclined to believe that Black is telling the truth when she claims TPR here. I think her postulating concern in her 772 about NaS rolefishing alongside the multiple instances where she expressed more worry about being forced to claim than actually being eliminated ( 824, 831, 935, 939, 946 there might be more in there though I think this sufficiently shows my point) point towards Black telling the truth in regards to being a town PR in my opinion

Hmmmm

[Black]

I think that was end of day no? And we needed an elim?

It was 4 days away from the deadline

Pedit: um ok

[Black]

You didn't sus him because he was paranoid though. That wasn't why you wanted to fade him

[Black]

Smiley what was your reasoning for targeting me N1 when it seems like there were several other people you were more suspicious of?

[Black]

Okay. My original town reads of black snow and smiley were all PR I actually wish I was scum this game

Wild that you not only townread me but thought I was a PR and still felt strongly enough that I was scum pushing you to put me at e-2

[Black]

I am less sure on Black being town. I think her reads lately have been sus. And I don't see her reasoning for scumreading me. Even if she thought it was me and RN that's contingent on RN being scum. And has yet to say reasons why I'm scum independently

I actually think there's a world where both RN/NAS are town and you're scum with someone like Naerys or shaddow

You think my reads lately have been sus? That doesn't seem very truthful considering you just said we had similar reads and tried to use that as a reason why I should townread you

I scumread you because you're in the PoE and you haven't done anything that has made me go "oh I guess Hu is town"

This "I'm not sure about Black anymore" feels completely fake

In regards to the first sentence I agree. In a world where both NaS and Nurse are town that means that the only possivle teams are Hu Tao/Shaddow, Hu Tao/Naerys, and Shaddow/Naerys. Off the top of my head I don't think Shaddow/Naerys really works here (Shaddowez most consistent push in this game has been the Naerys slot), which only leaves the Hu solves remaining there.

I'm still trying to parse if it's reasonable (like decently) for Nurse/NaS as both town world to exist. In terms of launching Hu Tao, my initial gut kind of tells me that I don't want NaS and Nurse both in an ELO so would want to shoot there first. I probably need to think on it more before I come to a conclusion on that including reading over Hu Tao again, with a focus on looking at her in a vacuum (there interactions with flip scum feel alright)

I think Hu is the common link in most solves and should probably be the fade today but I wouldn't be opposed to going Nurse

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Okay. My original town reads of black snow and smiley were all PR I actually wish I was scum this game

Wild that you not only townread me but thought I was a PR and still felt strongly enough that I was scum pushing you to put me at e-2

I didn't think you were PR it just so happened to be, I just found it funny

Ohhh I read it wrong, whoops

[Black]

i feel so naked now

Who do you think the scums are?

[Black]

VOTE: Random Nurse

@Smiley @Hu - care to join me here?

[Black]

Whyre voting RN? Black looks scummy and isn't a VT, good chance she's scum.

You're tunnelled

[Black]

You need something to justify the RN vote. RN doesn't feel nontown yet, whatve he done wrong exactly? Black on the other hand is confirmed non-VT, had suspicious bickering with gob and it feels like she is purposefully reading few things falsely to fit with her narrative.

Why would town!RN want to fade me instead of gob when he was under the impression that gob was lying scum?

[Black]

And Smiley already said it but I'm not purposefully interpreting things wrong. If I tried so hard to paint you as scum like you're accusing me of doing then why would I turn around and start thinking you might be town?

[Black]

I still think it's NAS over RN.

VOTE: NotAScum

You were already voting for NAS

[Black]

Why would town!RN want to fade me instead of gob when he was under the impression that gob was lying scum?

I think RN mentioned at that point that both gob and you were sus. Since everyone was going after gob, he voted you to probably gauge your reaction. At least that's how I understood it then, it was clear as day that gob was going to get limmed that day, you never were a serious option.

The vote counts say otherwise. We were tied 3-3 at one point

[Black]

Orange breasted falcon - Falco deiroleucus

The orange breasted falcon is, intuitively, recognisable by its bright orange breast, its striking yellow and black eyes and dark brown wings. However, it looks very similar to another species called the bat falcon. The best way to distinguish between the two is that the orange breasted falcon has more orange above the stripe on its chest. It's a bird of prey and a very agile flier - its eyesight is eight times better than ours.. Its habitat is Latin America - it can be found sparsely from Guatemala to Uruguay, and is probably most present in Peru and Bolivia. It is rated as Near Threatened by the IUCN. Since it is sparsely populated, and our understanding of South American ecology isn't always the best, we know little about this species - but given how the rate of deforestation is affecting similar species, we can make an educated guess they're not doing very well.

VOTECOUNT 2.1

Black (3)

- gob, Save the Dragons, Random Nurse

gob (3)

- Black, Naerys, NotAScum

Not Voting (4)

- Hu Tao, shaddowez, SmileyDude1, Snow2697

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to eliminate.

The deadline for Day 2 is in (expired on 2024-03-06 10:33:47).

Does this seem like to you that I was never a serious option?

[Black]

I have a feeling NAS is going to ignore my last two posts. It doesn't seem like he's capable of reevaluating

[Black]

Gut pinging on Gob and Black.

VOTE: Black

Then why not just vote gob?

If the scum agenda was to fade me over gob then I'm not sure scum!Hu would post this so close to the deadline when gob and I are tied 3-3

[Black]

The vote counts say otherwise. We were tied 3-3 at one point

Before RN voted you it was 3-2 and there was no VC the last few pages, so its highly possible that he couldnt have known that it was about to get equal. I think he was just testing you, rightfully so. Youre interpreting everything to fit your RN narrative.

You're doing the exact same thing. You're interpreting everything to fit the narrative of RN!town and Black!scum

You're lazy

[Black]

Yeah ok whatever. I don't really care if you think I'm town or not. We're not fading me today so you should look elsewhere

[Black]

You're doing the exact same thing. You're interpreting everything to fit the narrative of RN!town and Black!scum

You're lazy

Im not sure if RN is town or not, nothing suggests he is scum though, no sus behavior. The same cant be said about you. HT also feels sus, there is absolutely zero effort from her towards solving the game. Its always one or two liners about how she "feels" someone is scum without ever explaining why. That is a giant red flag.

He clearly has portrayed scummy behavior, you just don't want to admit it for some reason. You keep bending over backwards to justify his behavior. It's weird

Meanwhile you're accusing me of scummy behavior but you're on record saying you only think I'm scummy because of my interactions with gob. So the "scummy behavior" I'm portraying involves me endlessly pushing scum until they are faded. Yeah. That's so scummy bro

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I think NAS is town but I don't think he's going to be any help solving this game

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Yeah ok whatever. I don't really care if you think I'm town or not. We're not fading me today so you should look elsewhere

How can you possibly be sure about that? Unless youve some scumbuddy to help you ensure such outcome. You either have the most or second most votes on you. Where is this confidence coming from?

You and RN are the only players that think I'm scum and want to fade me. Your lazy push and weak reasons aren't going to be enough to convince anyone to vote with you

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He clearly has portrayed scummy behavior, you just don't want to admit it for some reason. You keep bending over backwards to justify his behavior. It's weird

I'm not counting his vote of you as scummy behavior since ofc I agree with that. I cant think of any other posts where RN has shown anything sus. Your claim of RN is sus is entirely baseless, you've no ground to suspect him. His vote of you is entirely justified.

Mmhmm. Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better

[Black]

I wish RN was more available and open with his thoughts because I think there's a chance he's town. I'm just not going to be able to find him as town if he's barely here and when he is here he's tunneled on me

[Black]

If RN and NAS are both town then this game is going to be an uphill battle

[Black]

Do you have a take on the Gob/Snow situation?

Working under the assumption that one is a vig, Snow has a much higher likelihood of being town. He wasn't in any danger of being limmed, so the only thing a cc does is put a target on him if gob ends up limmed and flips green.

Like others have said, it is possible gob was trying to cover for the real vig. However, that's a pretty long gambit - while it would be hard to believe that Cakez was the scum target and Ari was the vig, explicitly stating the target makes it a pretty high bar to hit without knowing which was which. Not infeasible in this situation, but unlikely.

I really don't like how hedgy this is

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I just read over the gob/Snow claim pages again and I can't believe people think this was theatre between me and gob

Anyway I'm kinda surprised shaddow didn't really have more to say about all this when he came in the thread later. He corrected me on the Snow one-shot thing and asked Naerys about a read. It wasn't until Smiley asked him about Gob/Snow that he gave his thoughts. I feel like town!shaddow would provide thoughts more willingly during such an crucial moment in the game

[Black]

It could be that 2 scums were in Cakez wagon (to distance themselves from a mislim) and thus they did not kill Cakez (to play against him) and killed a townie on the T3 train (to compromise other members of the T3 train). I am more inclined to look closer at Cakez wagon for scum search.

SirCakez (4) - Save the Dragons, T3, Hu Tao, gob

Unless you don't believe gob's claim

, you're saying that both StD and Hu are scum, there's no "searching".

This is also pinging me a little. This was before Snow's CC. It just feels a little like a guilty conscious thing to say, like shaddow knows gob is fakeclaiming and is getting slightly defensive here

[Black]

@Smiley didn't you say you thought Naerys/Gob had unpartnered interactions? Can you point these out because I'm not seeing them

[Black]

Also I'm not sure I agree that shaddow/Naerys can't be partnered. It's true shaddow has been pushing Naerys for most of the game but it's been a very light push, and it almost seems like something he falls back on to seem like he's doing stuff. For example instead of commenting on the gob/Snow claim stuff he just asked Naerys a question about her StD read. I'm not sure how likely this pairing is but I think it's at least possible

[Black]

If RN and NAS are both town then this game is going to be an uphill battle

Big doubt. Since that would mean both Naerys and Shadow would be scum and I don't see that

Why not?

[Black]

Assuming Nurse and NAS both town, I feel Scum!Hu Tao probs would have been alright voting Nurse by this point in most scenarios. Keep in mind that we have 1 spare elimination left until MELO and NotScum's tunnel on Black. I think if we were in Hu Tao + Naerys/Shaddow world, you probs go along with launching Nurse, probs kill me, and go into MELO knowing that NotScum probs isn't going to be willing to go along wiith Black here. I think Hu Tao's persistent NAS preference indicates that she probably can only be scum with Nurse

I disagree. Hu Tao has already begun the shift to RN by saying she's not opposed to voting there. I actually think her reluctance to vote there is somewhat alarming, but if she's scum then it doesn't have to be with RN. She could easily be playing into the Hu/RN theory and setting him up to look like scum if she flips

[Black]

Random Nurse may have site flaked

If he's town then maybe a replacement will be able to show us that

[Black]

I could do Hu Tao

[Black]

I think I may have somewhat talked myself out of my RN scumread last night. Not fully but I'm finally considering what the solve may be if he's town

[Black]

Assuming Nurse and NAS both town, I feel Scum!Hu Tao probs would have been alright voting Nurse by this point in most scenarios. Keep in mind that we have 1 spare elimination left until MELO and NotScum's tunnel on Black. I think if we were in Hu Tao + Naerys/Shaddow world, you probs go along with launching Nurse, probs kill me, and go into MELO knowing that NotScum probs isn't going to be willing to go along wiith Black here. I think Hu Tao's persistent NAS preference indicates that she probably can only be scum with Nurse

I disagree. Hu Tao has already begun the shift to RN by saying she's not opposed to voting there. I actually think her reluctance to vote there is somewhat alarming, but if she's scum then it doesn't have to be with RN. She could easily be playing into the Hu/RN theory and setting him up to look like scum if she flips

I'm so confused with this. So I'm scum for not voting RN but also scum for willing to compromise at deadline?

I'm not arguing that these things make you scum. I'm saying they don't make you town

[Black]

Smiley. You should be suspect how everyone is willing to vote me.

What is the point of posting this?

[Black]

shaddow why did you not comment on the gob/Snow situation until you were asked about it?

[Black]

Smiley. You should be suspect how everyone is willing to vote me.

What is the point of posting this?

What's wrong with it? He's town

What is your motive here? Do you think everyone that is willing to vote for you is sus? Are you trying to convince Smiley you are town? I want to understand the thought process behind posting it

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Yes, I'm trying to convince smiley that it's sus that everyone is seemingly fine with me being eliminated but the other votes have trouble going through. I don't think everyone willing to vote me is sus clearly it's just that it seems to be the easy vote.

Even though I'm the only one that's only voted you?

Yes it's not about votes it's about willingness. And it's been that way since yesterday

So you think Smiley should consider you town because there has been a willingness to vote for you?

There's been a willingness to vote for NAS and RN as well. Are they both town?

[Black]

shaddow why did you not comment on the gob/Snow situation until you were asked about it?

I had been in the office that day, so was catching up when I got back to my hotel that evening between dinner and everything else. Timing just happened to work out that way.

When you were catching up you didn't say anything about the gob/Snow stuff though. You pointed out that Snow wasn't 1-shot and you asked Naerys about her StD read. Why did you wait until Smiley asked you about the situation before sharing your thoughts about it?

[Black]

StD do you not have a preference within your lim pool? You seem to just be following the wagons around

[Black]

UNVOTE:

No hammers yet. I want to milk this day for all it's worth

[Black]

I don't understand why I'm being voted.

I felt one if gob/snow were Scum and voted gob

, but I also felt that Black's exchanges with Gob were Scum theater. So I guess I'm getting voted because I said my gut made me think Black/gob were Scum-Scum. It makes NO sense whatsoever to try to shade/lim me for that, and it's not fair to tell me I have to try to logically explain a gut feeling. I play primarily based on gut!

This isn't true. You felt like one of gob/Snow was scum and then you voted me. That's the primary reason I'm suspicious of you. You were pivotal in our wagons being tied at 3-3 and it felt like you were trying to keep gob alive

[Black]

I don't understand why I'm being voted.

I felt one if gob/snow were Scum and voted gob

, but I also felt that Black's exchanges with Gob were Scum theater. So I guess I'm getting voted because I said my gut made me think Black/gob were Scum-Scum. It makes NO sense whatsoever to try to shade/lim me for that, and it's not fair to tell me I have to try to logically explain a gut feeling. I play primarily based on gut!

This isn't true. You felt like one of gob/Snow was scum and then you voted me. That's the primary reason I'm suspicious of you. You were pivotal in our wagons being tied at 3-3 and it felt like you were trying to keep gob alive

I thought I had voted gob.

The reason I voted you is because I felt your exchanges with gob were Scum and Scum, and after limming you I could always go back to gob and lim him next.

Why did you want to fade me before gob though? Wouldn't it have made sense from your POV to fade gob first just to be completely sure you're not wrong about our partner interactions?

Do you at least see why I think scum!you would try to fade me first, and then reevaluate on your scumbuddy gob D3 after I flipped town?

[Black]

1. NAS and Shadow is who I'm thinking at the moment. I agree that Black is likely town.

Unless there is another PR out there hiding.

This simultaneously feels like you're trying to bait out another PR and also leave the door open to push me if one does. Do you think 4 PRs is abnormal?

[Black]

I know what I'm about to say no one will believe since it's self meta but today if I was scum there is no way I don't just go along with RN at the beginning of the day and try to push the vote away (assuming RN and I aren't partners) but even then I think it would better to bus in that's situation

What do you mean "go along with RN"? Like vote with him? Or vote for him? Neither of those make sense in a scum!you world. You were considering us both as TvT the day before and you kept mentioning wanting to go for NAS first. Voting me or RN would seem pretty unnatural and scummy tbh

[Black]

rereading time

Yay

I hope you're feeling better

[Black]

Hu do you think 4 PRs would be abnormal here

[Black]

Hu do you think 4 PRs would be abnormal here

Yes since we have a vigilante and neo. Unless scum have strong roles too but we've only seen a goon

Seems like a weird take considering we don't know what PRs the scumteam has. Vig and Neo aren't super strong power roles and can often time be a detriment to the town (vig killing a townie, neo targeting a town PR)

Most Mini Normal games I looked over have at least 4 town PRs so I'm not sure where this opinion is coming from if you're town. I fully understand where it's coming from if you're scum

[Black]

The fact that gob was the one to CC snow implies the other two scum roles are probably PRs

I think Hu is presenting faulty logic here to try to sus me if a 4th PR eventually claims

[Black]

Well Vigs are strong but they tend to hit town more often than not which greatly benefits scum. Neo's are weaker than actual cops because they can't distinguish between a town PR and scum

[Black]

Who do think is most likely to be NAS's scumbuddy?

[Black]

I'm also not sure why you would compare this game to just one game and be satisfied with your conclusion

[Black]

Also, my conclusion was just that the play was similar between the two games. While those two are two of my top SR ATM, that was based purely on play this game....I've been burned more by meta than it's worked out for me, so I try not to use it regularly.

Oh I was referring to Hu Tao's conclusion that 4 PRs would be sus here

[Black]

Also, my conclusion was just that the play was similar between the two games. While those two are two of my top SR ATM, that was based purely on play this game....I've been burned more by meta than it's worked out for me, so I try not to use it regularly.

Oh I was referring to Hu Tao's conclusion that 4 PRs would be sus here

Is it really that big a deal?

You said you think I'm town unless there is another PR. I think that is incredibly scummy, so yes it's a big deal to me

[Black]

Hmmmm

Not me being persuaded by AtE

[Black]

Is anyone besides Hu scumreading NAS?

[Black]

Is anyone beside me scum reading Black? Do remember you're only 2nd in my scumlist, your hesitation to vote HT did not go unnoticed. HT has been acting really scummy lately. Her attempt at AtE is laughable and it just solidifies my SR on her.

Are you trying to scare me into voting Hu? Because that just makes me want to vote for you tbh

[Black]

Riled up? Why are you mischaracterizing me?

[Black]

NAS popping in to shade me after I started to consider going there feels awful

[Black]

You didn't answer the question and are still getting riled up.

Can you stop saying this? I'm not riled up. I will be if you continue to say this though

[Black]

Shade you "now"? Did you forget I had a suspension on you for some time now? And I'm not the only one who felt so with your interaction with gob.

Yeah. You were quiet for awhile until I started to visibly consider moving away from Hu. Feels opportunistic for you to come in right after

[Black]

I guess it's probably +town for NAS to link me with Hu here unless Hu is his scumbuddy. If Hu is town then linking me to her doesn't really do anything

[Black]

Naerys may be frozen scum that doesn't know what to do in this game state

[Black]

Shaddow what is your current readslist

[Black]

Sorry, I wasn't accusing you of lying about being sick! I just meant from the time you posted that you were reading up until now, maybe you didn't know how to believably re-insert yourself into the game

[Black]

rereading time

Yay

I hope you're feeling better

I also hope you're feeling better. How's the reading coming along?

Yup, thanks. Considering the fact that i know i am town i am looking at those who are suspecting me, bcz all scum really needs right now is to push some LHF through. One of you/Black could be scum. What do you think about Black, btw?

It's not scummy to consider that you may be scum

[Black]

3 days huh. Hmm

[Black]

Ideally we get some game advancing content from Naerys and we can make a decision afterwards

[Black]

ping

How many Mafia games have you played in your life?

[Black]

I'm pretty sure NAS is just newtown

His other game on the site has a similar vibe to this game imo

I'm going to take NAS out of my PoE for now and I'll reevaluate later if I have to

If Smiley is lying then we might be screwed but we'll cross that bridge if we have to. Assuming Smiley is telling the truth, that means there are two scum in {shaddow; RN; Hu; Naerys}

[Black]

I think RN might be town too. The "why are people voting for me" comments just feel too guilty and I don't think scum are super likely to show visible concern about it over and over again

Still waiting on Naerys

[Black]

I think RN might be town too. The "why are people voting for me" comments just feel too guilty and I don't think scum are super likely to show visible concern about it over and over again

Still waiting on Naerys

What exactly are you waiting on? I am not a content maker, never was and never will be.

I want you to talk about your thoughts on the game and who might be scum. You do this in every game you play. For some reason this game you haven't speculated who the scum team might be. Where are your solve theories?

Honestly, i prefer to observe and ocassionally pointing stuff out that stands out. I dont like making cases bcz i suk at that

I'm not asking you to make a case. I'm looking for something specific that you do as town that you haven't done yet

[Black]

Black what do you think about shaddow?

Could be scum

[Black]

What do you think about shaddow?

[Black]

VOTE: Hu Tao

e-1

[Black]

VOTE: Hu Tao

e-1

Are you SR Hu Tao that much? Why?

In a pool of {shaddow, Hu, Naerys, RN} I think Hu has the most partner equity with the rest of the group

[Black]

Do you townread Hu and if so then why?

[Black]

I won't be around too much this weekend but if we think Hu is more likely to flip red than RN then I think we should just go Hu

[Black]

I understand your logic of maybe wanting to get more info from a RN flip but I don't feel great about him flipping red

[Black]

first

[Black]

Black
StD

shaddowez

Random Nurse

NAS/Naerys

I think we flip in the bottom tier today. I would be willing to go RN if enough people felt strongly about it

I don't have the time tonight but as soon as I can I'm going to dive into NAS/Naerys and figure out which one is more likely to complete the sweep

[Black]

Yeah we'll see about that

[Black]

Who do you think is the last scum?

[Black]

Why didn't you protect Smiley?

[Black]

Who do you think is the last scum?

i am leaning shaddow.

Why? Partnered interactions?

It seems risky for scum to decide to bus Hu after gob already died, but it's possible. Especially if the intent was to set shaddow up for end-game. I just think maybe they could have pushed something else through instead of going for the bus

[Black]

So wait, why are you wanting to launch me again Black?

I couldn't have made myself any more clear

[Black]

Yeah we'll see about that

No need to. I am odd night doctor.

I Did target Smiley at night btw. Asume scum had J-shot or roleblocker

Really strange that they would target you and not me considering I claimed PR