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1. If we want to lynch X today or test the theory that it just won't work (I don't think Unlynchables necessarily have to force a no-lynch if he is telling the truth as town or scum unlynchable), we need to have a mayor. If he doesn't die and is still mayor then he'll be a prime night kill target anyway (I'm guessing there are multiple killing factions because most large games have them).Battle Mage wrote:[No, why did you vote him for Mayor? 0.o'
Ugh, im such a dumbass. Whats a vampire?
2. MS wiki article on Vampire : It's basically the Judas role but with a werewolf theme it seems even more likely to be present. It doesn't change my opinion of X's claim, actually, because now that he's claimed unlynchable there might be a killing faction that would get him at night anyway.
Our issue is whether we get rid of X now or wait until tomorrow and if he's still alive we have to wonder why.
Also I'm probably not the best mayor candidate. I like to think I'm pro-town when I'm town but I've been wrong about who's scum alot of times. In fact, that's my meta as town.-
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My top two guesses are 1) UNK SK and 2) Scum Unlynchable. It's still early in the day so maybe that will change but I'm just going to start from the vantage point of suspecting X based on his oddly timed claim.Juls wrote:You think Xtoxm may be a vampire but still want to lynch him? And you wanted him to be mayor (as of this post)? I don't follow your logic.
Do you think a vampire could make themselves a target this early in the game? One that wants to be scum more than town I would think, but they have the unique opportunity to switch sides when one begins to gain leverage and day 1 is not the day you can tell that sort of thing. That's why I'm thinking it's possibly SK, because he did not handle being SK well last time (Mini 695).
It was mostly a joke because I put that as my "meta" on my wiki page for all to see and obeyJuls wrote:Plus, I don't like you saying that you have a "meta" of not finding scum. I have seen you play very well as town...granted its been in marathons but that is even a harder scenario for town. I have also seen you play very well as scum. Can you link some games where you sucked as town? It seems to me you are setting yourself to take part in mislynches.
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I agree that at this point X might as well give us a flavor claim. I’m still not sure if he explicitly knows that an attempted lynch on him results in an automatic no lynch and end of day action.
If there are multiple killing factions out there it is possible X is already a prime NK target and other power target, so I think that we can make better lynch candidates today. If he’s still the most scummy by the end of the day, let him hang; otherwise, we can deal with him later on if he isn’t NKed.
@Mufasa - Why do you want to be lynched? I’m sure we can make that happen if you’re scum.
@ MikeSC – That’s a lot of jester talk. A lot of people shun the idea of jesters even in a theme game unless it specifically states that there could be jesters or that it’s bastard modded style. Are you uncomfortable with testing his claim?
@ Ztife – It seems like you’re not ready to enter the serious stage of the game, but already we’ve had a serious uninhibited claim? So what’s the problem? Also, you’re plan to be mayor takes a lot of your scumhunting and puts it on others. I don’t care about placing blame on a mislynch because people can look genuinely scummy and they are mislynched even with a strong majority of people on board the lynch, but you should vote for whoever you think is scummy and not piggy back on others (especially if you are not sure they are town).
Re: Juls post 99 – Do you think he could be Vampire because he wants to be scum now, or do you have another reason why he might be a vampire?
Firestarter and ZONEACE, where are you???
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Yes and I think he needs to flavor claim and answer those other questions before we can know more. Also, I think the least likely Xtoxm role is Vanilla because he doesn't seem like the type of player to fake claim for being bored.The Fonz wrote:Do you feel that Xtoxm is lying to us?
This aggression theory talk doesn't seem very useful but I don't see anyone using it as a crutch right now to avoid talking about the issues with players like X.
As far as a mayor, BM has a few joke/fluff posts (jester joke claim, really?) already but he's still asking questions which is good. Another good mayor might be Dr Pepper, it feels like he's in the game and interpreting already.-
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Most likely --->
non-lynchproof scum - Because I've seen him self-destruct and claim SK before and then say he would use his power to only kill scum.
other town power (vampire) - The claim ensures that some people will want to either lynch him or night kill him at some point, which is not a risk for this role. I don't think it's as likely because he can play good as town and why wouldn't he try a few days scumhunting and see if we're winning or not?
-Question for anyone who has played werewolf theme before: How many other types of roles can be resurrected?
lynchproof town - I'm less inclined to believe this because lynchproof sounds more believable to me as a L-1 claim. The way he claimed felt like he was baiting us to test him out instead of keep votes off him.
lynchproof scum - I feel like he would know that lynchproof doesn't confirm him as town, even though he said it would, so why gambit for that reason? This may go up depending on his answers.
other town power (all else) - I don't see how he'd want to draw attention to himself by claiming a power role and risk getting killed at night if we get to L-1 and he re-claims.
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@Shinnen: Have you read the various posts about Xtoxm's meta? A few of us have given small impressions. I don't think we should talk too much more about how we think X plays as town and scum, because we need to see how he's playing this game.
I got the feeling that Fonz didn't want to be mayor. The Fonz, is it just you don't think you would be a good mayor, or you don't want to accept mayor?-
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No, I’ll take it if people think I’ll use it best.Firestarter wrote:Scared of the Mayor position? Why?
Good point. Maybe a scum mayor wouldn’t want to risk implicating a scum partner by having them succeed as mayor. In any case we’ll have to look closely at that successor should this scenario happen.Firestarter wrote:if Xtomx is scum and is lynched, what are the chances he'll choose a partner next? Set-up for mis-lynch/various mis-lynches?
I like The Fonz's idea that the mayor can be someone who looks pro-town but isn't one of the strongest voices of pressuring people and bringing forth suspicions. For that reason I wouldn't prefer The Fonz, Juls or Yos.
BM is still a good choice, even though he's a veteran and reasonably active, I feel that he's playing a little more passively than he could be today and joking a little too much. I'd like that extra spotlight on him if he's mayor too.
I don't think Percy looks suspicious for his opinion on how vanilla townies should not want to get killed, although I agree with the fonz that vanilla's should not be concerned with playing to survive the night.
Zwet needs to say something other than X is WIFOM. His entire contribution to this point is that we should not lynch Xtoxm right now, which doesn't seem like an issue until we 1) have a mayor and 2) hear enough from Xtoxm to feel he is truly scum.
I don't like Shadow Knight's night plan. We don't know if a vig exists and we shouldn't publicly direct him because the public includes scum who can influence the vidge.
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@Xtoxm: Can you confirm that an attempt to lynch you will result in an automatic no lynch situation and go directly to night? Please answer truthfully
As far as electing a scummy or towny mayor, I think that would be hard to come to a consensus day 1 and reads are weaker on day 1 so it’s a difficult strategy to realize. I think the mayor should be able to scumhunt on their own and vote on their own, so just because they may be wrong or disagree with you doesn’t mean they should be suspected more than a 1-voter. I’d rather give the towny player another vote to help a town-filled wagon. And we should treat them as any other player when it comes to deciding if they should be lynched.
How does that stop him from turning into a vamp if that is his power? We don’t know if we have a vig, specifically one that can control their shot, and we shouldn’t be trying to direct him anyway.MikeSC6 wrote:He could be a vamp that chooses when to resurrect. It would be awful to get to lynch or lose and then have him turn up and make us lose it, or something like that. I'm all for directing a vigilante his way tonight.
BM: Where are you, why were you so active in the first few pages and not so much now?
I could go for a DizzyIzzy or Shadow Knight mayor too. They are pretty vocal and focusing more on scum finding than theory talk. I’d like the benefit of watching their moves closer and giving them more power to scumhunt.
We can decide what to do with Xtoxm after he gets into the game. He’s got no reason to avoid this game and I’d like to hear his opinion in all matters.-
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X, no one can attempt to lynch you until a mayor is decided. Why are you being anti-town now?Xtoxm wrote:If lynching me would have killed me i'd have just self hammered. The role I have means it is not unfair on the replacement.
Question: Can you confirm from your role PM that a hammer attempt on you will result in a automatic no lynch and end of day? Or will we just keep playing and get a chance to lynch someone else?-
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This is a good point.dingoatemybaby wrote:If millar is telling the truth, X was still trying to sabotage him even after asking for a replacement. Why say this
if he was just a vanilla townie who was feeling guilty about not fully participating?Xtoxm wrote:If lynching me would have killed me i'd have just self hammered. The role I have means it is not unfair on the replacement.
I've taken another look at the Incognito-brand meta on Xtoxm. It's hard because he left pretty early but a X-scum commits alot of IIOA while a X-town will mention other players. As either scum or town he will blurt things out without thinking of repercussions. Incog has explained this in quite a few games but it seems to hold true, especially for the games Juls shared.
Now his fake claim could have been done by a X-town if he proceeded to use this gambit to catch scum. He voted Gorrad and said BM was his scumpartner, but these weren't strong posts. He gave up easily without much scumhunting, so the gambit looks more like a scum one than town.
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millar's little one liners are without hesitation and his village idiot claim is just too over the top to look natural. It looks to me like he wants us to think he's a jester, so while he's baiting us to lynch him he's hoping we call his bluff and back off. Anyone see it differently?
A Yos mayor is fine by me. I don't like BM's disappearance. He said alot of little stuff early on while joking. I wouldn't call him likeliest town.
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Hmm, this is an odd turn of events. Theoretically there may not even be any scum to lynch today given that 8 people are unlynchable. But the chance of one scum in our group is much greater than all in theirs.
What do you mean by "good con voyage"? Why do you want to lynch someone who you think has had a great contribution? Also, we can't lynch BM because he's away collecting mysterious plants. You're not reading close enough.Mufasa wrote:I'm not believing that one haha so reviewing day one the most likely person to lynch is Battle Mage for his contribution is so great that he needs to be lynched on the simple matter that he has a good con voyage.
@Mod: Why is Xtoxm in the 'men remaining' list? Shouldn't millar not count towards the vote, so it's 11 alive with 7 to lynch?-
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No, there's a much greater chance of 1+ scum than 0 scum here.Mufasa wrote:
Is this a suggestion for a no lynch?Jahudo wrote:Hmm, this is an odd turn of events. Theoretically there may not even be any scum to lynch today given that 8 people are unlynchable. But the chance of one scum in our group is much greater than all in theirs.
Answer the question:Jahudo wrote:What do you mean by "good con voyage"? Why do you want to lynch someone who you think has had a great contribution? Also, we can't lynch BM because he's away collecting mysterious plants. You're not reading close enough.-
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You have a point there. In the OP both your role and Shadow Knight's role are listed in blue. Typically a third party is a different color.millar13 wrote:Noticed I am the same colour as the other town players?
I have no problem with millar continuing to play the game as if he has a vote.
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You said this on page 21 (Here is the Link) but when asked to clarify you didn’t and then came the hammer. Can you go back and explain where and how Yos rolefished?zwetschenwasser wrote:Yos blatantly rolefished last page, and noone noticed.
Do you have a better idea now of what feels off about BM?Dr Pepper wrote:I dont want Battlemage as a major. Something just feels off to me right now. I cant put my finger on it. I just have a mild suspicion of him.
Fixed. This still needs an explanation…he has a good conveying of what? The game? Mufasa, you voted Battle Mage for mayor day 1 so I’ll ask again: Why do you want to lynch him today?Mufasa wrote:so reviewing day one the most likely person to lynch is Battle Mage for his contribution is so great that he needs to be lynched on the simple matter that he has a goodcon voyageconveying.-
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I'd rather let Zoneace get Zone-replaced since he hasn't been posting in other games either. He last posted 7 days ago. He was prodded 1 day ago. If he doesn't show up soon we may see his replacement by mid-week.
I'm growing more suspicious of Mufasa's awareness of the game. His characterization of BM looks very general and could be applied to other players. Also his self-vote, while not really bad by itself, was made on page 4 when the discussion was shifting away from votes to more serious matters.
And he didn't make any contributions or observations on his own. He supported the BM, Yos and Fonz mayor wagons and the X lynch after others did and he didn't distinguish himself from the crowd. To me it looks like trying to imitate the group's thoughts, rather than expound on them or challenge them. That's a safe move for town that don't want to get in trouble but it's an even safer move for scum that want to stay under the radar.
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I don't find the early fullclaim suspicious. There was enough interest in lynching millar that L-3 could have easily been L-1 and an explanation of Xtoxm and millar's "partial claims" were absolutely necessary.
It's not really rolefishing if the fish jumps out of the water and into the boat like X did by saying he was unlynchable.-
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@Zwet: Are you only concerned with the first paragraph? What about paragraphs 2 and 3?Percy wrote:Firstly, asking for someone at L-1 to claim is not rolefishing. Secondly, you made a big deal out of it (HOW COME NO-ONE NOTICED?! or something to that effect) when everyone else could see it for what it was.
Now you've said that it was to start discussion on Yos. It failed. Do you still want to talk about Yos? What is your opinion of him now?
Also, the WIFOM surrounding millar hasnotgone. People are still talking about whether we can assume he's a stumped townie or something more malevolent. I think it's a terrible idea to lynch a Jester (or some other related role), but you seem to think that if someone might be a Jester you might as well lynch them just to be sure. Is this correct?-
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He's a woman in this game so he went into the forrest.dingoatemybaby wrote:I've found the Fonz to be the most townie, though it seems he has not posted in a while.
@Fonz. You here?
I think Mufasa is scum. Let's discuss how he should have more votes. I'll go first. I think Mufasa is lurking, selective reading, and wishy-washy on his opinions of people. That is why I think Mufasa is scum.-
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Re-read day 2 and see if you can find why this is a moot point.Mufasa wrote:Battle Mage to me hasn't posted a post since I had put out an accusation and has really let the rest of you rip into me as to why I had accused him smart move but I find him a wee bit lurkish without saying he would be gone sofos BM [/]-
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Percy makes good points here. Mufasa may have limited access but has not made a clear distinction between pro-town and anti-town. The pressure on him is justified and Zwet, at first, appears to be over-reacting. But it looks more like Zwet is just trying to explain his position and I don’t see anything wrong with the one he takes or how he’s been taking it in response to accusations on him.Percy wrote:If he really is just a confused, busy pro-town player, then he's playing like a confused, busy anti-town player. Making excuses for him is more than a little bizarre. He's also at L-3, by my count. Why do you think he's in such a great deal of danger?
Did you think Percy was doing this intentionally? Do you think any town player would do it? If so, why?dingoatemybaby wrote:That seems to me a way to keep a vote out there which won't really do anything. It is an easy way to avoid committing to an actual lynch.-
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Let's let millar resolve this dispute
But seriously we need to hear from other people now. Barrylocke what do you think?
Where is tubby?
Do you think this makes a certain player look more scummy or towny?Mufasa wrote:According to the vote count from before dingo he had already voted for you and it seemed like he wanted to make sure you knew where he stands.
I don't like seeing ad hom. I used to think it was a solid scumtell from certain people but it hasn't been very reliable in other games. In this situation I think frustration is setting in on both sides, so it is less an alignment tell, but I can't be completely sure. What do other people think?-
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Actually yes, let's go back and focus on this part.
Originally I thought the way Dr. Pepper investigated the original dingo post using inference was a pro-town move but upon re-looking at how they have continued the discussion I am not so sure that Dr. Pepper is tunnel-visioned on the conclusion drawn from that inference.dingoatemybaby wrote:Note that you still refuse to provide a single example of me saying the things you claim I said. If my own words condemn me, why can't you find any to demonstrate it?
And maybe you can explain how you interpret this
to thisdingoatemybaby wrote:I'm not asking him to change his vote.Dr Pepper wrote:dingo is trying to get a vote changed without providing a solid reason.
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Do you think Pepper was lying and misrepresenting dingo on this issue?Percy wrote:I think dingo was arguing all along that I was using a scum tactic, as I said before. His posts just don't make sense otherwise. Pointing this out is again off-topic and inconsistent with his other lines of attack against dingo.
Maybe the inference is wrong. It's impossible to say.Dr. Pepper wrote:The tunnel vision thing occured mostly because dingo did not acknowledge the inference from the post 638 existed. dingo went to instead correct me with some sort of superiority complex. After repeating and reinforcing myself we arrive to part two.
You did misrepresent dingo by saying explicitly that dingo was trying to get Percy to change his vote.Dr. Pepper wrote:A) dingo is telling the truth and and Dr Pepper is lying. In this situation Dr Pepper should be the lynch for today.
The base assumption is "criticize" yes? But weren't you technically judging the merits of Percy's decision to vote for a lurker? You don't have to judge with suspicion or condemnation. Are you saying you were completely devoid of judgment on what Percy did?Dr. Pepper wrote:
You can see that Pepper's base assumption is incorrect, and you give him the benifit of the doubt, assuming he meant something other than what he said. But he consistently makes that same incorrect base assumption. THAT is why I call him a liar.dingo wrote:OK, one question. Why criticize him for his statement then?
Who is the scumbuddy in this case? Zoneace?Yosarian2 wrote:When one scum is defending a scumbudy, they usually want to try to somehow discourage other people to vote for him (or to keep their vote on him, or whatever), but they don't want to LOOK like they're defending their buddy; in fact, if asked, they'll usually deny that that's what they're trying to do. And that's kind of the vibe I was getting from dingo's "clarifications".-
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Dang I actually messed up that quote, but yeah I see that you've remained consistent on what has been meant. There is reasonable room in your original posts for this meaning too, which doesn't now look like a judgment of persuasion or suspicion. It possibly could have turned into that if Percy continued to do things that, in your history, were scum tells like avoiding a real contribution and keeping the vote on the lurker indefinitely.
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Do you think Dr Pepper is more likely scum than Dingo? Do you think either are likely scum?Firestarter wrote:Re; Dingo & Percy..
I think its plain to see that Dingo wasn't asking Percy to remove his vote.
Same questions for Barrylocke and Mufasa: Do you think either Dr Pepper or Dingo are more likely scum? Do you think either is likely scum?-
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Repeating questions:
Are these people still around: Firestarter and Barrylocke? They have not taken a stand on the important issues of the day. It looks discouraging and slightly suspicious that they are under the radar.Jahudo wrote:
Do you think Dr Pepper is more likely scum than Dingo? Do you think either are likely scum?Firestarter wrote:Re; Dingo & Percy..
I think its plain to see that Dingo wasn't asking Percy to remove his vote.
Same questions for Barrylocke and Mufasa: Do you think either Dr Pepper or Dingo are more likely scum? Do you think either is likely scum?
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@Mike: Alot of it comes in posts after those that you PbPa'ed. Take Dr. Pepper's post 716 for instance, where he said:
He's taken the initial inference that dingoDr. Pepper wrote:dingo earned my FoS for his repeated critisms of Percy's vote plan. His opinion was made known. It was responded to by myself repeatedly and Yos in post 649. dingo keeps pushing for Percy to change the vote style only because someone might be scumiier. I have repeatedly asked dingo to provide a better target and he hasnt. dingo is trying to get a vote changed without providing a solid reason. I find these actions of his to be either misleading or paranoid.wantedto change Percy's vote, to a recollection that dingoactually triedto get a vote changed. This is a misrepresentation that attempts to boost Dr. Pepper's case but cannot be proven by what dingo said in 643 and other posts.-
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I'm not sure either; I've just read the wiki article on it. It's like they are a vanilla townie that can return as scum if they die. So maybe if they are NK'ed we won't know if and they'll remain a player but a scum player? I don't know how they can pull it off if they are lynched.zwetschenwasser wrote:I never truly understood what a vampire was. Could you explain please?
We should hear him out tomorrow because he could be trying to WIFOM us one way or the other. But he definitely cannot remain alive in this game much longer.dingoatemybaby wrote:In that case, we shouldn't be taking advice from him anyway.-
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Misrepresenting dingo in order to assume suspicion. It is plainly there but perhaps not intentional (that's the matter of opinion).Yosarian2 wrote:I would, but I honestly have absolutly no idea why we lynched Pepper today, and no one seemed interested in explaining their votes to me. I was *here*, and I don't understand what happened.
I'd say Mufasa looked opportunistic in his vote but he's already volunteered to be tomorrow's lynch so that's a good place to start when we have all the players back.
If anyone had thought or does think that the circumstances of dingo vs Pepper debate make it very likely that one or the other is scum and very unlikely that they are both town, then that's probably a debate for tomorrow too. I don't see it that way personally but I think even dingo and Pepper were proposing that.-
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A large part of Day 2 conversation began when Percy kept his vote on ZONEACE the lurker. Dingo criticized him without saying he was suspicious and from there Dingo and Dr. Pepper disagreed on any motivation Dingo had for criticizing Percy without overly suspecting him.
Now that Percy has flipped everyone should at least page through Day 2 to see his interactions and who gave a read on him. That's where I'm going to start.
Also, Mufasa says that if he is lynched today, it will trigger something that is good for the town. What do the women think of this?
Mufasa, what has to happen with the ladies?Mufasa wrote:I can promise you all that I am pro-town and my ability will help the town, but
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But dingo was also town so scum could have jumped either way. I'm hesitant to call it scum driven since it's likely that half the scum were in the female group yesterday. I'm not confidant about numbers this early but I wouldn't assume more 2 or 3 additional scum from the male group.Yosarian2 wrote:Yeah, not surpised about Percy; I thought the Dr Pepper wagon was scum driven, especally towards the end. I just wish he hadn't self hammered, we might have gotten more info that way.
There's a possibility that Mufasa is scum but more likely I feel that he is a strange role that helps him as much, if not more than everyone else if his trigger goes through. Zwet I am getting town vibes from. Kaiveran deserves a closer look though; I don't think he really took in the debate as much as made a decision to push the wagon.-
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I don't think Yos is acting scummy so I see no point in lynching him. People have different ideas about who to kill when they are scum.
Are you still talking about a player that reacts to the outcome of a lynch or night (ie: cheering at a dead scum or feeling remorse over a dead town)? Was Random Mafia 3 a night start, because otherwise how would someone commit that tell?Gorrad wrote:Absolutely! UROE in Random Mafia 3, I led an attack on him, lynching D1 based on this tell. It also caught my scumpartner, Seraphim in Bleach Mafia when I brought it up there (though I brought it up on a townie, to be fair).
The basic premise behind it is that it gains nothing for town by being said, and has a chance of outting power roles.
My own opinion is that scum will sometimes attempt genuine surprise over a flip but I've seen townies do it too, either by getting caught up in the game to forget that it is a tell or because they don't know that it's a tell. It's a minor point by itself but isn't enough for me to feel confident in a vote.
What particular scumtells are you talking about? Do YOU think they are good indicators of scum behavior?MikeSC6 wrote:In people's experience, are scumtells generally accurate? Dr Pepper was lynched partly on the back of a "scumtell" that he referred to himself in the third person I think it was.
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No, I just feel that Yos is townish based on his activity day 2. I think he was one of the few people to critically analyze what was going on between dingo and pepper, where scum wouldn't have really cared which one died (we know that now).Battle Mage wrote:I feel this is a rather off-hand response. Yos is an excellent player, and i dont expect him to commit glaring scumtells when he is mafia. Maybe this comes under "too townie to be town"? *shrug*
Well, if a scum mayor is killed I would assume someone on his wagon is much more likely to be the next mayor, as opposed to someone not on his wagon.Battle Mage wrote:Also, another thing im thinking is, bussing is unlikely to be prevalent in this game. If Yos was scum, what would his team mates do? I dont see them all hopping on the wagon, given that their team would then either lose the mayorship, or have another player implicated.
I think it's too early to tell if we have one main scum faction or two, and how many third party scum we have. These variables might affect how much scum think they can get by with bussing. If they have a big enough group but with weak powers, they are probably more likely to bus.-
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What would happen if everybody swore today?
If Yos were to be lynched and flip scum, I think we would look for his scumbuddies among the people that didn't lynch him. We would also need to elect a new mayor before we lynched someone, so someone that did lynch him would get townie points.Battle Mage wrote:And i dont understand your first point about the scum mayor-please explain?-
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Is there a reason you can tell us why your action won't do the maximum amount of help? If so, what is it?Mufasa wrote:I believe that my action won't do the maximium amount of help if I am to be killed today but we'll see.
When do you think you should get lynched, if ever?
I feel that you have put this attention on yourself to explain why you shouldn't be the lynch today. If you have a decent enough reason, you'd still need to do some actual scumhunting in my mind to be pro-town. I haven't seen that yet.-
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I think Mufasa should confirm what he's only kind of explained. I'm not sure he ever said tomorrow was the best time for his role to trigger. He also didn't specifically say that the woodland gathering event was good for his role; it was just something that happened day 2 (like it could have just been because it was day 2).-
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I didn't know this was a real card game. I found the other roles but I don't see anything that resembles what Mufasa is hinting at with his role.
Does the card game have events too? Maybe that's where we get unique roles and powers.
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I don't see the way Mike is posting as scummy. I think it's just his attempts at getting into the game. I did feel, however, that he often doubts his reads like with Pepper/Dingo and Mufasa. At some point I think townies have to make a decision based on what they can find. I think scum have more reason to withhold decisions so they don't have to backtrack as far if they see a momentum shift to another lynch candidate.
I think it's worth looking at how he's tried to come to conclusions or not, but right now I don't feel the case on him.
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These people need to post more or tell us where they are on getting caught up:
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So just to make sure about this piper thing, Barrylocke was told he started dancing with Dizzy and Dizzy was told she started dancing with Barrylocke? Did they learn through the mod that Juls started dancing? Did Juls learn through the mod that those two were already dancing?
What is the river?Mufasa wrote:I was randomly assigned the river
It's strange that the "Impressionist" would have the Hunter's power as well as being a JOAT. That seems very powerful. I believe the name at least and that he probably has some of that power because Juls had already revealed that this was a semi-open setup, but I don't think the claim makes him any more or less town because Impressionist could be scum.-
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I read somewhere that Monet could perform a good Degas impression.Juls wrote:An impressionist takes on the personality of someone else so I can see that being a name but I don't see anything similar to this in the card game. I am having a hard time voting on this reason though. I guess questions to everyone:
1) could this be a scum role disguised as a town role?
2) could this be a third party role?
3) is it better to look elsewhere today and try to verify his claim?
1. If he's a werewolf then he's probably the equivalent of a Mafia Doctor or Mafia Roleblocker. His being scum already ensures he can be tested as a killer.
2. I can believe there being 2-3 third party players but any more would seem too hard to balance. We know there's a Piper and it sounds like the lovers could become third party players. I'm not sure another party would balance well.
3. Wouldn't any test require a power role to out themselves? Like, to say their weren't blocked or they got a guilty investigation? I'd rather not use him to direct kills and if he's scum a "successful protect" doesn't mean anything.-
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I'm not sure that vote count is accurate since it still lists dead people.
I say we get rid of Mufasa now because he's likely scum, but just in case he is telling the truth we should direct his vengeful kill by deciding who else is scummy and getting his input on who he'd kill. If he's town I don't think he'd be protected but theres a good chance scum want him dead if they think he's telling the full truth.
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I doubt all the scum are in the lurker group; at least one is fairly active. So I don't think we should waste a kill on a lurker. Instead we just give them more time, but they are really the people we don't want to live closer to endgame.
Say millar can't be the mayor, would you still want to use this strategy? If so, why?MikeSC6 wrote:Something I do agree with is not letting Yos survive til the endgame though. I think we should lynch Yos sooner or later before the endgame, and keep lynching until we have a townie mayor that gives the mayorship to millar. A scummy mayor would do far more damage than a townie mayor would help, in my opinion.
I don't think it's possible and I don't see why you would want to do any of this.-
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