SitMOA II - [Endgame] The end...

[CryMeARiver]

/confirm!

[CryMeARiver]

11/16 confirmed I believe
Did I miss whether this was a night start or day start?

[CryMeARiver]

14/16 confirmed I believe

Did I miss whether this was a night start or day start?

[CryMeARiver]

14/16 confirmed I believe

Did I miss whether this was a night start or day start?

Day start, durr.

I've taken a LONG break from MS and usually only play quick games on EM where night starts are actually MORE common than day starts, so I just thought I'd ask because I didn't see it in the rules haha my bad!

[CryMeARiver]

1. Beefster (Post 3)

2. Katy

3. CooLDoG (Post 31)
4. Nachomamma8
5. gandalf5166 (Post 12)
6. rewq455 (Post 34)
7. Tasky (Post 14)

8. Albert B. Rampage

9. CryMeARiver (Post 8)
10. Bunnylover (Post 7)
11. vezokpiraka (Post 30)
12. SnakePlissken (Post 26)
13. ThAdmiral (Post 13)
14. chesskid3 (Post 4)
15. Riceballtail (Post 9)
16. malthusis (Post 10)
17. Katsuki (Post 5)

By my count, only 15/17 confirmed, though SnowBunny has it wrong that Albert did confirm and rewq didn't. Still waiting on one more to begin chesskid!

[CryMeARiver]

1. Beefster (Post 3)

2. Katy

3. CooLDoG (Post 31)
4. Nachomamma8 (Post 42)
5. gandalf5166 (Post 12)
6. rewq455 (Post 34)
7. Tasky (Post 14)

8. Albert B. Rampage

9. CryMeARiver (Post 8)
10. Bunnylover (Post 7)
11. vezokpiraka (Post 30)
12. SnakePlissken (Post 26)
13. ThAdmiral (Post 13)
14. chesskid3 (Post 4)
15. Riceballtail (Post 9)
16. malthusis (Post 10)
17. Katsuki (Post 5)

By my count, only 15/17 confirmed, though SnowBunny has it wrong that Albert did confirm and rewq didn't. Still waiting on one more to begin chesskid!

Now it's 15/17 lol

[CryMeARiver]

Searched Albert's posts and he posted at 3:40 today in another game though Katy hasn't posted in 4 days, come on Albert! Where are you?

[CryMeARiver]

/confirm

While I don't find Cooldog's post to be scummy, I find it kind of a townie not realizing what he's posting, you have no thoughts at this point?

Vote: NachoMamma

(Wouldn't normally put as much as a vote on this, but I feel it's the best place for a vote as of now. Yes I did feel the need to explain that lol )

[CryMeARiver]

oops wrong game, my fucking bad.

I lol'd!

[CryMeARiver]

/confirm

While I don't find Cooldog's post to be scummy, I find it kind of a townie not realizing what he's posting, you have no thoughts at this point?

Vote: NachoMamma

(Wouldn't normally put as much as a vote on this, but I feel it's the best place for a vote as of now. Yes I did feel the need to explain that lol )

Vote: CMAR

Only a post THIS scummy could make me give up my policy lynch of gandalf.

Oh beautiful, he responds and OMGUS's - not sure if he misunderstood my post or not but still a weird response in my opinion
Care to explain why you are voting me or are you just gonna call me out and not explain (voting without a reason = so freakin annoying)?

[CryMeARiver]

Vote Faraday

Possible could be an assassin.
So I just want to see if this vote shows.
On the mafiawiki site, it says that assassin must find a way to post on the thread at least once per day.
Or some role was like that I know <_<.

Seriously? Link me up to this role because I've never come across it haha

[CryMeARiver]

@cry,

I've just done a wiki search and have come up with zilch.

However, he could be that so having one vote on him might not be a bad idea. The role "assassin" refers to a role used in a specific game "Assassin in the Palace", or " * The version created by Dragon Phoenix is a Mafia Goon with the ability to make one or more daykills. It has also been used under other names. * In mith's version, the Assassin recieves a target from the Mafia each night, and tries to get this player lynched. Another variant can have his vote bought several times during the game. " (from wiki, with receives spelled wrong).

Yeah I found that but didn't see the role he was talkin about so I asked him to link me to it

What's the bolded part?

[CryMeARiver]

@cry, I've just done a wiki search and have come up with zilch.

However, he could be that so having one vote on him might not be a bad idea.

The role "assassin" refers to a role used in a specific game "Assassin in the Palace", or " * The version created by Dragon Phoenix is a Mafia Goon with the ability to make one or more daykills. It has also been used under other names. * In mith's version, the Assassin recieves a target from the Mafia each night, and tries to get this player lynched. Another variant can have his vote bought several times during the game. " (from wiki, with receives spelled wrong).

Yeah I found that but didn't see the role he was talkin about so I asked him to link me to it

What's the bolded part?

EBOWP

[CryMeARiver]

There's no difference... What was the point of the edit?

...the bolded part? At least on my computer...?

[CryMeARiver]

what the hell is going on
Farady posts in the wrong thread by accident and we go off a ridiculous tangent?

He posted the exact same thing in Deathnote's thread. Obvious accidental post is obvious. Moving along.

Yes, but I think the bolded part was CoolDog referring to something else? no? It doesn't fit in what he was saying...just trying to get an explanation

[CryMeARiver]

I think he's referring to whatever Bunnylover was referring to

Oh duh, okay, moving on - we only have 3 weeks! I prefer we find Katsuki's role from the last one of these so people can claim safely lol
Need some more activity!

[CryMeARiver]

Actually, there is a more important lynch than snake's right now, which I was reminded of by Katy's post.

VOTE: drmyshottyizsik

Would definitely be my vote if he was in the game

[CryMeARiver]

That is true Katy.
<_< I couldn't find the role.

Oh wait I found the problem.
Assassin
You must find a reason to post in the game thread at least once each game day. You may not reveal that you are actually in the game. Once each night you must PM me one member to be assassinated. You must survive until the end of the game to win.
It wasn't on the wiki which was the problem.
The reason I remembered it was due to SSK Random Mafia when we had a Town Assassin which we all thought was an Anti-Town role.
Apologize for the misconception :<.

Link?

[CryMeARiver]

I bet you anything that I will be a vanilla townie. Shall we just confirm me as town right now?

There's likely something to this actually. I personally am considering Albert clear as any mafia would have pointed out that they are missing a partner (partners are usually pointed out in role pm on this site, yes?) and I doubt that Snow_bunny would forget a 3rd party member.

To me it seems like gandalf is doing plain stupid shit to the point where he could even be a jester haha mark my words when it happens UNVOTE: Unvote; VOTE: Vote Gandalf I mean, what was with the whole "let me leave my suspect behind and vote someone whose not even in the game to just throw the game off track" then "I'll vote him again" for a reason I don't understand? How is the post you quoted of snake him being too certain gandalf?

[CryMeARiver]

I bet you anything that I will be a vanilla townie. Shall we just confirm me as town right now?

There's likely something to this actually. I personally am considering Albert clear as any mafia would have pointed out that they are missing a partner (partners are usually pointed out in role pm on this site, yes?) and I doubt that Snow_bunny would forget a 3rd party member.

To me it seems like gandalf is doing plain stupid shit to the point where he could even be a jester haha mark my words when it happens UNVOTE: Unvote; VOTE: Vote Gandalf I mean, what was with the whole "let me leave my suspect behind and vote someone whose not even in the game to just throw the game off track" then "I'll vote him again" for a reason I don't understand? How is the post you quoted of snake him being too certain gandalf?

EBWOP
UNVOTE: Nacho; VOTE: Gandalf

[CryMeARiver]

Grab: Ring

Just in case it has to be bolded.

This doesn't seem right...

VOTE: Katsuki

[CryMeARiver]

Grab: Ring

Just in case it has to be bolded.

This doesn't seem right...

VOTE: Katsuki

Though FOS Tasky, Kat's post seems like a "I know I'm gonna die, might as well distance myself from my partner" vote as well as Tasky is just as much a culprit as Kat for the gandalf wagon.

[CryMeARiver]

If a vig doesn't work, we can always lynch Kat tomorrow.

There's your hole in your plan.

Vigs don't always work. Lynches do.

Why are you so hesitant to lynch a CONFIRMED SCUM? You even said it yourself, that he's scum, why do you want to change the lynch target?

I'm technically in a V/LA state right now since I won't get home til super late, but I lol'd at the bolded.

At this point in my reading, I am completely stunned at another quicklynch, happy that it resulted in scum, and surprised by him not dying. So far, the only thing that has been suggested is that town created this second lynch chance but I'm not so sure about that. It seems like Kat set himself up (claiming Barbarian, but not giving anything else away though he was supposedly "lynched") for what was about to happen. It might have been a resurrection type thing from the scum side. But that's kind of purposeless since it didn't proceed into a night phase...I'm not sure where I'm going with this and my mind is spinning from lack of sleep but it seems to me like Kat expected this to happen. I'll post more tomorrow.

[CryMeARiver]

@People who are trying to get Kats to claim: I read some of the stuff from the first Sorcerers Wizards game and if you try to get him to claim any abilities, I'm pinging you as possible 3rd party

[CryMeARiver]

Isn't Gandalf confirmed town?

Eh, I couldn't remember who else had asked for a claim from Kat besides Malt, but yes, I suppose you are correct.
Oh, if you're a freakin protective role, do not freakin wifom this shit tonight. If gandalf freakin dies tonight, I might freakin replace out and then come back to find out who the moron doc was, and then...nah I'll eventually get over it but you get the point. Ugh, back to work.

[CryMeARiver]

Hey hey just sayin', there's multiple scumteams out there. Rewq was my buddy, and we'll be down to one after my lynch.

And with that, Magneto bids adieu.

Don't trust scummy scum scum.

I only count 7: Albert, Beefy, Katy, RBT, gandalf, Tasky, Snake
VOTE: Katsuki
P.S. Malt reads funny in ISO.

[CryMeARiver]

I'm very suspicious of beefster as well for suggesting we let katsuki stay alive and get a vig to take care of him. Without giving away too much I don't believe katsuki can successfully receive damage at night. I'm thinking katsuki is a very powerful role and beefster wanted Kat to get to night to use his ability. This is also probably why the lynch save was used on Kat.
I'm in favor of people with damage dealing abilities putting the hurt on beefster, and Katy seems like a good option as well as per what Gandalf said.

In case it's not a lynch yet

Vote: katsuki

Same thing rewq did to look protown. That turned out well. Also, you've been on every quick bw without a reason.

[CryMeARiver]

Hmm.

I won't vote. For now. One oops hammer is enough for me.

Do we something important to discuss about or do we lynch Kat?

He flipped scum. He has already been lynched again at this point. You contributed nothing with this post.

[CryMeARiver]

I think I actually believe Kats though. Something about the setup just makes me think 2 scumteams.

Assume you're referring to this post:

Hey hey just sayin', there's multiple scumteams out there. Rewq was my buddy, and we'll be down to one after my lynch.

And with that, Magneto bids adieu.

Gandalf: Never trust scum. I don't know why he might lie, but then again, why would he tell us the truth? His wincon isn't necessarily over.

Also, what the hell does the bolded mean?

When everyone chimes in with some opinions and everything that needs to be discussed is, I'll be happy to hammer Katsuki myself.

WTF is this?? Does no one pay attention? I hammered at the top of page 11 and made it quite clear I was hammering his ass. Why the hell are people still speculating on Kat's alignment? HE ADMITTED HE WAS SCUM. OPEN YOUR EYES.

Tasky is probably scum actually.

And we should listen to you....... why? Anything you say is WIFOM that we're far better off not even listening to. But since you said it and I'm bored anyways, I'll look at his ISO to be sure.

Seriously? You just said you believed him on one thing and everything else he says is WIFOM? EVERYTHING he says is wifom. Don't. Believe. Him. His wincon can still be achieved so he is STILL playing the game, not spilling everything.

4) Those yelling out he claimed scum, re-read the thread please. He flipped scum.

Bottom of Page 10. He claimed scum.

By my reads almost the entire town is scum right now, so either A) I need to narrow my scumdar or B) You all need to stop being idiotic scum.

[CryMeARiver]

@CrymeaRiver: I was reading and typing in chronological order (so none of my response are bias from things I read before hand).
So on number 4, I didn't see he admitted he is scum.

Yeah I wasn't sure, that's why I didn't attack you hard.

[CryMeARiver]

You're forgetting that I called two scumteams earlier.

This:

To everyone who thinks Kats is lying about the size of his team: Why would Kats do this? The only way it fits is if both Beefster AND Katy are on his team. We would kill Beefster, and then we would assume that Katy couldn't be sorc-scum(remember, I hadn't brought up Snake-scum yet when he said that).

This implies you believe Kat's entire post: "Hey hey just sayin', there's multiple scumteams out there. Rewq was my buddy, and we'll be down to one after my lynch."

[CryMeARiver]

When everyone chimes in with some opinions and everything that needs to be discussed is, I'll be happy to hammer Katsuki myself.

WTF is this?? Does no one pay attention? I hammered at the top of page 11 and made it quite clear I was hammering his ass. Why the hell are people still speculating on Kat's alignment? HE ADMITTED HE WAS SCUM. OPEN YOUR EYES.

Post#209

I would rather lynch

Kat a CONFIRMED SCUM

then hope vigs do it considering I'd rather lynch a person who I know is scum then one I know who could be scum.

But getting back to the main point, it would be nice to hear from the faces who haven't shown up yet (RBT) and the ones who haven't posted anything other then fluff (Thad off the top of my head, probably a few more I can't think of).

Post #215

Barbarian =/= Sorceror

My role PM says barbarian, not barbarian sorceror. Hence I believe deathmiller.

Stop spouting BS,

scum.

The only town faction in this game is WIZARD, anyone else is scum or at least a third-party, I.E NOT TOWN.

Post #220

Beefster use your goddamn head for two seconds.

-Protection From Energy (Two-shot): Target player is protected from killing attemps that night.
-Repulsion (One-shot): You can't be targeted that night.
-Polymorph (One-shot): Target player can't be the target of investigative effects that night.

Add to that this bastard just picked up a scroll of unknown powers.

We will lynch him TODAY.

If what you said is true, I seriously think that Beefster is probably

Katsuki's scum partner

. Maybe we can use our "double-dipping vigs" on you, Beef

Post#224

Yeah ABR, nice to see you ignoring the DEATHMILLER/ANTIDEATHMILLER abilities present in the last SitMOA.

Nice for you to ignore the fact that YOU

CLAIMED SCUM

BEFORE THE FLIP.

I can use caps too

Post #226

Stop spouting nonsense. If you were town, you would have mentioned that as the first thing of your post.

You claimed non-town, you flipped non-town, and you think you can somehow avoid a lynch? That's just hilarious.

Post #260

First off, we did have a way of knowing

Katsuki was scum

: he hammered an innocent townie for no reason. The fact that you say this wagon had no reason and yet you jumped on it eagerly is amazingly ironic. The reason that vezok (and me, too) are hesitant is because we want to actually discuss things instead of doing another 24 hour quick-lynch. When everyone chimes in with some opinions and everything that needs to be discussed is, I'll be happy to hammer Katsuki myself.

I don't know what you've been reading to think that I didn't believe that Katsuki is Scum.....

I'm not gonna finish reading the quotes because it's clear you misunderstood my statement. You said you'd be glad to hammer him. Here is the way things went chronologically:
I hammered Kat and clearly showed that it WAS the hammer
TheAdmiral put a completely useless vote on Kat to attempt to seem more protown (as rewq did yesterday)
Vezo said he didn't want to hammer Kat (who by then was CONFIRMED scum) after he had already been hammered
You said you'd be glad to hammer him after he had already been hammered.

I was pointing out the fact you said that you'd be glad to hammer him. Not doubting the fact that you didn't think he was scum.

@Gandalf: If there IS more than 1 scum team, it's common courtesy for there to be different colors.

[CryMeARiver]

I'll take your word for Vez but Tasky I will not.

I have all the motivation in helping town find the other scum team. It should go without saying as to why.

That saying, I advise you professors to massclaim, there is one more scum in there (possibly ABR). I can't see snow just including one scum prof in there.

1) You seem pretty convinced of another scum team.
2) What the hell are you babbling about?

[CryMeARiver]

Pick up Vial

[CryMeARiver]

Who damaged me this night?

You still read as healthy

[CryMeARiver]

Wait. I have an idea. Leave the dagger for gandalf as he is the most clear one here.

[CryMeARiver]

Pick up Dagger

sorry about the other one.

Vote: Bunnylover

[CryMeARiver]

Wait. I have an idea. Leave the dagger for gandalf as he is the most clear one here.

X_X I"M SORRY I DIDN'T SEE THIS D:.
._. I would have gone with this if I had.

Vezo, are you sure your damaged?

Hmmmm, It does make sense as you did pick up the axe in your first post, so it seems you may have been reading a post and then posting, but my vote stays here for now.

PREVIEW EDIT: I did not say she was lying, I was just letting her know. But yes, it is possible.

[CryMeARiver]

Wait. I have an idea. Leave the dagger for gandalf as he is the most clear one here.

X_X I"M SORRY I DIDN'T SEE THIS D:.
._. I would have gone with this if I had.

Vezo, are you sure your damaged?

Hmmmm, It does make sense as you did pick up the axe in your first post, so it seems you may have been reading a post and then posting, but my vote stays here for now.

PREVIEW EDIT: I did not say she was lying, I was just letting her know. But yes, it is possible.

I understand why your vote is their, I just feel stupid for doing that.

Do you think it would be smart to let Gandalf, or any other confirmed townies receive obvious damage items, or should we spread them out?

I don't understand the basis for this question. We have no confirmed townies besides gandalf. There are no other "obvious damage items" left. But I suppose the answer to your hypothetical situation would be to spread them out amongst the other confirmed townies? I mean, if we have multiple, they must get the items...

[CryMeARiver]

It says in the rules that you can drop an item by PM'ing the mod your choice if you want to change your mind and leave the dagger for Gandalf.

It does? I don't recall reading that, can you quote it? *goes to check rules*

[CryMeARiver]

"A player can choose to leave an item unattended without using its ability slot, or even during the day, by PM'ing me its choice. "

I pm'ed the mod asking about this. It doesn't sound like the item would be able to be picked up again. If that is the case (I just lose the item and it disappears) then do ya'll want me to still drop it?

I think you're right.

1. Beefster, the geometer (Wizards), was

stabbed

and frozen to death on Night 3.

Just remember, we'll be watching

[CryMeARiver]

Well, it's nice to see someone helped me out with Beefster(although it looks like it was CoolDog).

I'm trying to decide whether we should lynch Snake and then kill Katy if he doesn't flip sorcerer or lynch Katy and kill Snake.

The problem is that in order to kill Katy tonight, we would have to damage her today before we saw Snake's flip.

Why? If multiple people attacked her...

Neither Katy or Snake have specifically stuck out to me, I'm gonna go reread them.

[CryMeARiver]

We probably have four scum alive at this point. One sorcerer, two yellow, and one third party. If I had to categorize my suspects:
Katy= sorcerer
vezok=yellow
Snake= yellow, maybe TP, but probably not sorcerer.
ThAd= Probably TP.
And my backups:
RBT and Tasky.

Do you honestly think the mod would put 8 scum against 9 town? I wouldn't think there are more then 2 non-town are alive right now.

Speculation about the setup gets us nowhere. Now if someone KNOW something about the setup, then you should tell us. Otherwise, don't speculate - scumhunt.

[CryMeARiver]

I'll respond to Gandalf's earlier posts later, but for now, I agree with Malt on his bandwagon analysis, but...

We probably have four scum alive at this point. One sorcerer, two yellow, and one third party. If I had to categorize my suspects:
Katy= sorcerer
vezok=yellow
Snake= yellow, maybe TP, but probably not sorcerer.
ThAd= Probably TP.
And my backups:
RBT and Tasky.

Do you honestly think the mod would put 8 scum against 9 town? I wouldn't think there are more then 2 non-town are alive right now.

Speculation about the setup gets us nowhere. Now if someone KNOW something about the setup, then you should tell us. Otherwise, don't speculate - scumhunt.

That's not speculation, that's just common sense

This is definitely speculation. Speculation on the setup choice of the mod. Speculation on ABR's role. Speculation of the sizes of scum teams.

[CryMeARiver]

Oh, I'm almost certain that Kat was telling the truth now by the way.

Highly likely. I suspect two teams of three scum each. Either way, I know for 100% certain that there are six scum in the game. Would the last living professor like to confirm it, or are you scum too?

For those who are wondering what some of these antics that may have occurred are, there was a council of six people of whom had the ability to conjure a ritual each night. We provided you with both the false lynch on Kat (although, we wished it was a townie instead), as well as a night of global spell roleblocking. Last night, we chose to ask the mod any one question of the setup, and we decided on how many anti-town players there were. Our answer was six.

The council consisted of: Myself, Katsuki, Nacho, Beefster, Chesskid, and one other player, of whom never posted in the QT. We were not confirmed as town, and used aliases. Three of us must be alive to cast a ritual, so we cannot affect the game any longer with them.

For revealing this information, I will probably die tonight. May it prove useful.

@Malt: No, I'm not scum, but thanks for playing.

If you used aliases, how do you know of all the people that were in the QT? Were you told when they died?
If not, could the last presence possibly have been ABR? Or perhaps chesskid (he was only removed from the game)?
Also, is that what Katsuki's statements were about? Something about Magneto (I remember WTFing about it lol)?

Oh, now I know who ProfessorX was. Chess is really bad at logging in to the right account >.>

Explain for those of us who have no idea what you're talking about please.

@RBT: Thoughts on the actual ingame discussion?

[CryMeARiver]

How did you find out who each other were since you used aliases?
I am willing to beat that either You or The unknown person will flip yellow scum. I am leaning on the unknown person because otherwise you would have no need to post what you just post.

Both Nacho and Beef posted with their actual names on accident. ProfessorX stopped posting after Chess disappeared (and was extremely vocal, thus his sudden absence was pretty assured as a link). Katsuki admitted to his name Magneto in the council while being lynched in game. I posted using Autumn-Tail (hah, see that breadcrumb?). I highly doubt the last person will come forward, as they are scum.

Could the last presence possibly have been ABR? Or perhaps chesskid (they were only removed from the game)?
@RBT: Thoughts on actual ingame discussion?

[CryMeARiver]

Got an answer from the mod.
I can drop my item, and anyone else can pick it up.
Also, do you all want to know what the item does?
And do you all want me to drop it so gandalf can pick it up?

Wait on that one...Gandalf, do you happen to have anything considered a weapon in your arsenal?

[CryMeARiver]

Got an answer from the mod.
I can drop my item, and anyone else can pick it up.
Also, do you all want to know what the item does?
And do you all want me to drop it so gandalf can pick it up?

Wait on that one...Gandalf, do you happen to have anything considered a weapon in your arsenal?

Hmmm I reread this and it might be portrayed as scummy so I'm going to go ahead and explain myself - the item I picked up (the vial), I thought it might have been some sort of health potion, but it's in actuality an addition to a weapon (which I don't have). So if gandalf has a weapon, I'm gonna go ahead and drop it for him.

[CryMeARiver]

I don't have a weapon right now.

Guess I'll just keep it for now then Need some more activity

Unvote; Vote RBT

[CryMeARiver]

Hmm I'm kind of thinking that we should get anyone whose not considered protown at the moment to drop any items we know them to have picked up for a clear or someone else protown enough because I don't know if I trust vezo with the scroll and I definitely don't trust RBT with the axe

[CryMeARiver]

@Katy:Maybe. But then, why would scum waste their governor like that? Same logic. Maybe you guys seriously thought that the death miller thing would work. The reason I think you are scum is that it seemed like you were defending Kats instead of attacking his wagoners.

Please show me where you think I am defending Katsuki before the flip, because I've just reviewed all my posts and I don't see it.

I think CMAR is a nice candidate for a Mageslayer. His interaction with CooLDog and his place on both quickwagons gives me a good feeling about that one.

VOTE: CryMeaRiver

1) I didn't even remember CoolDog was in the game til he died, must've been some interaction I had with him
2) I don't remember where I was on the gandalf wagon, but I remember I voted him a) for an actual reason b) everyone else just bw'd without actual reasons. I was on the first Kat wagon early if I recall and I hammered the 2nd Kat wagon as he was already scum while others like Malt and Vezo were hesitant to vote.
3) You have fun with your invalid reasoning.

Hi guys, haven't quite caught up yet but I just want to respond to this post from yesterday as I think it is pretty bad:

I'm very suspicious of beefster as well for suggesting we let katsuki stay alive and get a vig to take care of him. Without giving away too much I don't believe katsuki can successfully receive damage at night. I'm thinking katsuki is a very powerful role and beefster wanted Kat to get to night to use his ability. This is also probably why the lynch save was used on Kat.
I'm in favor of people with damage dealing abilities putting the hurt on beefster, and Katy seems like a good option as well as per what Gandalf said.

In case it's not a lynch yet

Vote: katsuki

Same thing rewq did to look protown. That turned out well. Also, you've been on every quick bw without a reason.

First of all it is not at all similar to what rewq did. This is rewq's post:

Ok. Now I'm tempted.

Unvote

Vote: gandalf

L-1, bitches.

Will explain the Katy thing tonight, final is due in 4 hours and I still have like 1/4 of it to go I'm so not finishing.

L-1 is a bit far chess. I was about to Random Vote Gandalf, and if I had earlier before reading this post he would have been lynched. Obv scum tell.
VOTE: chesskid3

WHOA

RVS lynch on Gandalf......... I am not sure what just happened.

Can you explain why mine is the "same" as this?

Secondly I admit that I was voting for gandalf day 1 but that was a joke vote. The next time I got on he had already been lynched, hammered by scum-katsuki.

Thirdly I clearly did have a reason to vote katsuki:

retarded hammer

vote: katsuki

Furthermore why would you sling mud that I had "been on every quick bw" when the only one I had actually joined was the Katsuki one, who, if you remember, actually turned out to be scum.

Just had to get that off my chest. Will post again when I've read whats happened today.

Yep, reread both the posts and it seems I was exaggerating a bit.

@rbt and the council thing - I doubt rbt would be lying about the amount of anti-town roles, as if 6 died and we still played on it would be her death sentence.

In which case why provide us with this information if she is scum?

I am fairly certain she is town.

Sighhhhhh, You and gandalf both (gandalf was trying to make sense out of what a confirmed scum was telling us). IF rbt WAS scum, she would lie to you. Which would mean all of this information she is telling us would serve best to her advantage. I'm not saying that she is necessarily scum, but I hate when people say "She wouldn't lie about this, she must be town" because in reality scum lies about everything to get their wincon. My vote on her is just to gain activity from her as I said before.

[CryMeARiver]

Just skimming (more depth later):

I don't want malt to get the scroll, if malt doesn't object, I'll give him the vial for the scroll (my item is useless)

LOL @ Snake taking the scroll
LOL @ RBT seemingly having been paying attention to the game the entire time
I'll read it up later but for now

Unvote: RBT Vote: Snake

[CryMeARiver]

DONT QUICKLYNCH

IN FACT, EVERYBODY UNVOTE UNTIL WE GET THIS SORTED OUT

unvote

Only 3 votes, but okay LOL not another one

Unvote

Do you object to what I proposed gandalf and malt?

[CryMeARiver]

Assuming there's a yellow-scum in the Council, they know what the scroll is already anyway.

Vote stays.

Wait, are you saying that YOU know what the scroll does? So you are confirming that it does do something? If what you say is true, we need to skip everything and just have me pick up the scroll to be sure it tells us what it does. If it doesn't we can just assume vezok didn't read his QT.

There are so many factors behind the possibilities of him not knowing what a scroll does. Perhaps he actually has to open it (don't). Also, RBT you know what that specific scroll does? You know who had it and dropped it? You know that there isn't more than one type of scroll in the game? If you know for a fact that THAT specific scroll has a good effect, say so and we will let gandalf get it. If you don't, malt or I would be happy to pick it up.

Also, malt, you didn't say anything about what I asked you... You want the vial (if you can use it)? It's useless to me and gandalf, but dangerous in the hands of scum, so if you want it, speak up and I'll give it to you and take the scroll. I still don't trust vezo with it.

[CryMeARiver]

Assuming there's a yellow-scum in the Council, they know what the scroll is already anyway.

Vote stays.

Wait, are you saying that YOU know what the scroll does? So you are confirming that it does do something? If what you say is true, we need to skip everything and just have me pick up the scroll to be sure it tells us what it does. If it doesn't we can just assume vezok didn't read his QT.

There are so many factors behind the possibilities of him not knowing what a scroll does. Perhaps he actually has to open it (don't). Also, RBT you know what that specific scroll does? You know who had it and dropped it? You know that there isn't more than one type of scroll in the game? If you know for a fact that THAT specific scroll has a good effect, say so and we will let gandalf get it. If you don't, malt or I would be happy to pick it up.

Also, malt, you didn't say anything about what I asked you... You want the vial (if you can use it)? It's useless to me and gandalf, but dangerous in the hands of scum, so if you want it, speak up and I'll give it to you and take the scroll. I still don't trust vezo with it.

Oh and this plan would also involve gandalf getting the dagger/axe of course.

[CryMeARiver]

If he had to open it, the mod surely would have told him as such.

Yo gandalf, catch!

Drop Vial

[CryMeARiver]

If he had to open it, the mod surely would have told him as such.

Yo gandalf, catch!

Drop Vial

By the way, this is on the basis that you will obtain either the axe or the dagger soon

[CryMeARiver]

If he had to open it, the mod surely would have told him as such.

Yo gandalf, catch!

Drop Vial

Sorry to triple post but if mafia gets this, they could literally automatically win, so hurry up and pick it up (since you were online I figured you could get it quick!) HURRY...

[CryMeARiver]

Gandalf also here you go (I thought it was done through the mod x-x)

Drop Dagger

Shit no, he can only pick up one item per 24 hours, picking this up ONLY until he can get another item so scumscum like Snake doesn't inb4gandalf again. NOT for any of my purposes.

Pickup Dagger.

[CryMeARiver]

PICK UP VIAL

Why woul they auto-win lol?

Awww you didn't give it enough time for someone to pick up the bait lol . Kind of a slim chance at it happening, but hey, might as well try it

[CryMeARiver]

Damn me for being online so often >.>

I actually considered that it might be a gambit. Unfortunately, only after I freaked out and immediately picked it up.

Anyway, once you get the axe or dagger (your choice), you should be able to use the vial to its potential (if the axe and dagger are what their names portray them to be) - Not gonna tell you what the vial does in thread because scum might have certain specific protections. I'll let the mod let you know.

Gandalf - lead the item parade please - which item should go where?

[CryMeARiver]

For the record, I will continue to hold the axe. While I trust it in the hands of Gandalf, I think I'll keep it for the night. I might go down, but I'll take someone with me.

If your axe has any kind of retaliatory affects (assuming gandalf attacks you like he said he would) or gandalf asks you to drop the axe and you don't, you get lynched. You're walking on thin ice with that kind of attitude towards a clear (which is very rare in MS and should be taken advantage of).

[CryMeARiver]

When did I say I would be attacking RBT? I'm attacking Snake tonight.

That said, I'm comfortable giving RBT the axe. While he was a void the first two days, he has been acting pretty pro-town now that he's making content. I'm happy with the dagger, although I'll be looking at the scroll first. Only looking at it, as I do want to make sure I can read it before we consider vezok confirmed yellow. Then I'll probably give it to someone else since I can only make one action a night anyways. In fact, I may not even need the dagger, since I can summon a weapon(mentioned this D1 if you remember). That'll depend on whether using the vial is a full action or not.

Oh, I mixed up you and malt, in one of malt's posts he said Katy and RBT were the only possible two sorcerers or something and that we should lynch one and kill the other. My bad.
Using the vial does NOT use up your full action. If you want the dagger just say so!

For the record, I will continue to hold the axe. While I trust it in the hands of Gandalf, I think I'll keep it for the night. I might go down, but I'll take someone with me.

If your axe has any kind of retaliatory affects (assuming gandalf attacks you like he said he would) or gandalf asks you to drop the axe and you don't, you get lynched. You're walking on thin ice with that kind of attitude towards a clear (which is very rare in MS and should be taken advantage of).

Gandalf gets to tell people what to do. You don't.

I'm frankly more convinced rbt is town than you.

Did you even read what I said? I've been the one telling everyone to sheep gandalf and give gandalf their items if he wants them - don't try to pull that shit with me.

[CryMeARiver]

@cryme: gandalf is capable of organizing item drops etc. for himself.

Wait. I have an idea. Leave the dagger for gandalf as he is the most clear one here.

Got an answer from the mod.
I can drop my item, and anyone else can pick it up.
Also, do you all want to know what the item does?
And do you all want me to drop it so gandalf can pick it up?

Wait on that one...Gandalf, do you happen to have anything considered a weapon in your arsenal?

Hmm I'm kind of thinking that we should get anyone whose not considered protown at the moment to drop any items we know them to have picked up for a clear or someone else protown enough because I don't know if I trust vezo with the scroll and I definitely don't trust RBT with the axe

If he had to open it, the mod surely would have told him as such.

Yo gandalf, catch!

Drop Vial

If he had to open it, the mod surely would have told him as such.

Yo gandalf, catch!

Drop Vial

By the way, this is on the basis that you will obtain either the axe or the dagger soon

Damn me for being online so often >.>

I actually considered that it might be a gambit. Unfortunately, only after I freaked out and immediately picked it up.

Anyway, once you get the axe or dagger (your choice), you should be able to use the vial to its potential (if the axe and dagger are what their names portray them to be) - Not gonna tell you what the vial does in thread because scum might have certain specific protections. I'll let the mod let you know.

Gandalf - lead the item parade please - which item should go where?

For the record, I will continue to hold the axe. While I trust it in the hands of Gandalf, I think I'll keep it for the night. I might go down, but I'll take someone with me.

If your axe has any kind of

retaliatory affects (assuming gandalf attacks you like he said he would) or gandalf asks you to drop the axe and you don't,

you get lynched. You're walking on thin ice with that kind of attitude towards a clear (which is very rare in MS and should be taken advantage of).

Tell your story walking Admiral.

Unvote; Vote Tasky

Said he was scummy long ago and his lack of content and raping of items confirms it.
@Gandalf: I'll drop the dagger but it's actually super lame and I doubt CoolDog would have used this last night so I don't see any reason for you to have it - that being said, I don't want it

Drop Dagger

[CryMeARiver]

If town doesn't mind, I would like the dagger (back).

Gandalf can pick it up to make sure if he wants, but trust me, it's not a problem even if scum obtains it.

[CryMeARiver]

Malt should have the dagger: I'll summon my own weapon. I just want to see what malt does with it.

Tasky, I don't want the scroll to use it. I want it for info reasons.

You heard him mates. Though to warn you, it's pretty gay

Drop Dagger

[CryMeARiver]

I agree that Tasky's excuses are REALLY forced. I'll vote for him as soon as I get to see how the scroll works.

I'm starting to think differently. I mean if there was a chance that he wouldn't be able to read it and that this would prove him to be scum then picking up the scroll is a pretty risky move.

Yeah, but I'm pretty sure at this point that the whole "only scum doesn't know what it does" thing is crap.

I'll take a go at the scroll if you can't do anything with it lol feel like we're playin hot potato

[CryMeARiver]

Btw, gandalf, noticed this:

Gandalf, don't bother attacking me overnight your energies are best served elsewhere.

I say you save Katy (or chose a new target for tonight) for the night due to this. Also, in light of recent happenings, Snake has been rather protown. We might want to reconsider tomorrow, but I say he should live til tomorrow. I find Tasky as the best lynch today personally.

[CryMeARiver]

Well, we know that something can be done with the scroll. I think I have an idea of what it does, and I think it's in the town's best interest for me to use it.

We'll lynch Tasky, and I'll attack Katy. However, anyone else who wants to help with Katy can feel free(I'll explain why later, but basically circumstances are different since Katy is sorcerer-scum).

...how did we deduce Katy was sorcerer scum again? I still don't see any commanding evidence...

[CryMeARiver]

...how did we deduce Katy was sorcerer scum again? I still don't see any commanding evidence...

Because I wasn't in favor of the quick lynch on Katsuki (before we saw the flip). Because you know, lynching someone really quickly without even leaving time for discussion is always best play (IF they turn out to be scum that is).

I understand though - the quick lynches haven't left much time for building solid cases on anyone. There's not much to go on, so I understand why people leapt to the idea that a person who wasn't on that Katsuki wagon was scum with Katsuki. I've explained that I wasn't even online during that whole time. And if I have to take a hit at night, so be it. It's better that than a mislynch.

And Malthusis has predictably laid it out as me or RBT are the ONLY possibilities for sorceror-scum, which of course is not true. I think people are pretty much missing out on this possibility: Katsuki's scumbuddy bussed him EARLY on for placing the hammer, not predicting that there would be yet another quicklynch and they wouldn't have a chance to backpedal later.

This is all true.

@Crymeariver - Ive just been going back through various peoples comments and this kind of jumped out at me

Unvote; Vote Tasky

Said he was scummy long ago and his lack of content and

raping of items confirms it.

While im neither here nor there with Tasky at the moment, you mention people 'Playing Hot Potato' with items, however you seem to be the worst for it.

You have picked up and dropped the Vial and then the dagger twice:

You heard him mates. Though to warn you, it's pretty gay

Drop Dagger

Now you are talking about the scroll:

I'll take a go at the scroll if you can't do anything with it lol

And being as you voted for both myself and Tasky when we picked it up does that mean if you do we should vote for you? Why do you need to grab all these items? Is it becuase you are a Sorceror trying to gain knowledge before we get our hands on them to potentialy know who to block and what types of attacks from i.e. conjured or weapon? Looks a bit scumalicious to me.

I also meant to add the only reason you dropped the dagger because it 'was pretty gay' didn't do anything exciting or helpful for a sorceror so try and look all wizard like by dropping it for someone else?

I did nothing twice.
I explained why I picked up and dropped each item at least once:
I picked up the vial because I thought it might be health potion (increase HP).
I dropped the vial because I could not use it and it's purpose was better served elsewhere (confirmed town gandalf)
I picked up the dagger because I knew Gandalf couldn't pick up more than one item in 24 hours and I didn't want scum to get it (I didn't know it's ability at the time)
I said would drop the dagger (before I knew it's ability) in 24 hours if Gandalf wanted it. Though I did say it had a gay ability, that is not the reason I dropped it. I said I would drop it first.
My comment about the scroll was because 4 or 5 people have had it and I wanted to see if I could read it.
Most of the info in those two posts are wrong. You can go with Admiral and tell your story walking as well.
(Also, what kind of info would scum gain from picking up and dropping all the items? Seems kind of pointless just to KNOW what they can do...)

[CryMeARiver]

I just noticed something:

-Items:

When a player dies, its items are left unattended on the floor.

and when did we find the scroll? right after Katsuki died. this means, it is a sourcerer-scum-objekt.
I don't know what this means, but it definitely means Snake and vezok aren't sourcerers. since they'd probably know what it does and would pick it up "to know what it is"


UNVOTE: VOTE: CMAR

Wow, way to misrep the situation there Tasky.

We also know that Beefster, ABR, and Cool died N3 too. Katsuki was lynched D3 (twice, even).

UNVOTE: VOTE:Tasky

Thanks for outing yourself so easily.

wtf are you talking about???
Katsuki dies, scroll appears, other people die in the night and other items are found

You can go with Admiral and tell your story walking as well.

It's good for fitness.

@ everyone: tasky's got a point. Katsuki dropped it, therefore it was a scum item, vis a vis scum wouldn't have been so keen to "find out what it was" as they would have already known.

The scroll was dropped after the fake lynch, not after Kat got lynched. Kat picked it up. Kat died at night. Scroll was dropped again.
2 things wrong with the above:
Tasky is assuming scum have day QT talk = mafia
The scroll was NOT a scum item. It was found on the ground before Kat died.

Also, even if the above WAS true, how the heck does this connect to me?

[CryMeARiver]

Chesskid had a scroll, which is what got shown after the first lynch on Katsuki (as he said in the QT that he was not interested in using it). This is why Kat picked it up so quickly after lynch #1. He knew it was from someone in the QT, and that it was good. Of course he wanted it. Kat probably passed in the QT that the scrolls were good, which is why we can't trust anyone who's not confirmed town with it.

Did Chess know what it did (post what it did)? If not, then Kat/his buddies shouldn't know what it did so therefore my post is still correct?

[CryMeARiver]

@ cryme: it seems pretty clear from the sequence of events that katsuki dropped the scroll when lynched the first time. As it appeared straight after the failed lynch.

Also tasky said you are scum

independent

of the scroll business. He hasn't said why, but apparently it has nothing to do with the scroll.

Chesskid had a scroll, which is what got shown after the first lynch on Katsuki (as he said in the QT that he was not interested in using it). This is why Kat picked it up so quickly after lynch #1. He knew it was from someone in the QT, and that it was good. Of course he wanted it. Kat probably passed in the QT that the scrolls were good, which is why we can't trust anyone who's not confirmed town with it.

Then why didn't it appear right after night?

Mod forgot? idk, but there is no reason Kat should have dropped it after a FAKE lynch.

That wouldn't have anything to do with bussing at all.

No scum partner would simply put a vote on a person randomly that is their buddy that's about to get lynched

. As you can see, it's nothing about you doing something that indicates you,

it's about other people doing things that cleared them.

(Note that this is only about the conversation of being sorcerers. If the spymasters are a 2nd scum faction, this has nothing to do in regards with them.)

Huge failures in logic there.

You assume that:

(1) Any person who voted for Katsuki knew that "he was about to get lynched"
(2) Any person who voted for Kastuki is cleared of being his scumbuddy.

That's simply not true.

I don't know about you, but such a fast lynch before a person even gets a chance to respond is NOT a normal occurrence in games I have played. You can tell from the reactions just after the hammer was placed that an actual lynch was not expected when it happened. Even you commented that it was "idiotic." If so many people were not expecting the lynch to actually occur at that time, then why would any sorcerers think any differently? They wouldn't have been expecting the hammer any more than anyone else and so they wouldn't have thought their buddy was "about to get lynched."

I'm not sure why you think a sorcerer could not be on that wagon, it's hardly unusual for scumbuddies to vote for each other. It happens all the time. They don't vote to lynch. They vote and then get off when their partner "explains" their actions. You are acting like scumbuddies never vote for each other when that's just not true.

I am curious to know, while we're on the subject - what makes you choose me over Bunnylover? I can see that RBT has been providing some useful info, but if your criteria is just "didn't vote for Katsuki" then why DID you decide that scum was certainly me and not Bunnylover? What is so much more townie about Bunnylover?

Anyway, I am willing to vote Tasky after the scroll stuff is resolved.

I was agreeing with you, until you tried to shift the spotlight.
I partly agree with you saying that scum can bus their buddy at any time. In Decon mafia, we had Mina vote Bob her partner when their was absoultely no pressure on Bob what so ever and that eventually lead to his and her death (or helped in it).
I will admit it is strange for them to do it, but not too strange.
Although I don't mind the spotlight shift, I know shifting the spotlight is a common tool that scum use.
My lynched was pushed in OoT mafia because I asked, "Why are you focusing on me when DGB (another player) is doing the exact same thing you are saying I did?" and apparently its terrible to do that. Although I would do that as town, as I could be bringing it up scum partnership, their is more scum motivation then town motivation to shift the spotlight and we won't know what that said person is doing until they flip.

Did I make any sense in what I posted?

@Katy: He just bleeds protown ^

[CryMeARiver]

As this seems to be causing too much confusion and derailing from the game, I admit that it was an error on my behalf. The scroll should have been dropped earlier, my bad.

Ah.

Point conceded cryme.

Boy you are gettin your exercise walkin today

[CryMeARiver]

RBT DID YOU SERIOUSLY KNOW THAT THIS WAS GOING TO HAPPEN AND YOU DIDNT FUCKING WARN ME?


THE SCROLL TOOK AWAY MY GODDAMN VOTE

You're shittin me?!?!? Like just for today or for good? We gotta analyze anyone who unaturally avoided the scroll - I thought it might give a power or protection or HP or something

[CryMeARiver]

RBT DID YOU SERIOUSLY KNOW THAT THIS WAS GOING TO HAPPEN AND YOU DIDNT FUCKING WARN ME?


THE SCROLL TOOK AWAY MY GODDAMN VOTE

You're shittin me?!?!? Like just for today or for good? We gotta analyze anyone who unaturally avoided the scroll - I thought it might give a power or protection or HP or something

The irony is killing me after I wanted the scroll so badly and 3 people took it before me

Ha same here! I still say Tasky hangs. Looking back it seems like he could have picked it up just to seem town later on when we found out it did something bad since his reasoning for actually picking it up seemed forced.

[CryMeARiver]

IT DOESNT SAY HOW LONG IT LASTS, AND ITS KILLING ME

Now that I think about it, he phrases it weird. Apparently it's a post restriction, and the terms are "posting without voting". It seems like if taking away my vote was what he really meant, then he would have just said "Your vote is gone".

So your vote for today is stuck or could you unvote if you wanted to?

[CryMeARiver]

Frankly I will say still go with the lynch.

If your lynch we know rather or not to trust your read on Snake who will join Gandalf on the confirm side.
If we do not lynch you, we do not know if you are lieing with your scum partner Snake and just saved both of ya'll.

Because you are one-shot, I would still say go with the lynch, but this is my personal opinion.

Oooo I hate everything about this post.
1) You still think he's scum? If not, then it's scummy to say "still go with the lynch".
2) Snake is not clear. Godfather or investigation immune is a very possible role among scum, especially yellow since (if Kat WAS telling the truth) there is only 2 of them (according to RBT's 6 antitown)

[CryMeARiver]

Glad to have another player back.

Before anyone decides to pick up the items, lets let Gandalf pick up all the items if their are any to be picked up.

What made you assume there were items available?

Why are there only two? 3 sorcerers+2 mageslayers=/=6 scum

And yeah, godfather is possible, but if there really is a role that builds up to a oneshot cop and there are no other cop roles(which is entirely possible, there weren't any cops in the last game and a lot of mods hate cops), then it would be stupid as fuck.

I was considering the support cleric antitown. I'm not sure if that is an antitown role...

[CryMeARiver]

Can I just point out that anyone potentially attacking me will get the damage back on themselves as Im able to cast a protective spell over myself each night.

FACEPALM

Why would you share this info? You're cleared town, so the only people who would be attacking you would be scum.

I disagree, wouldn't scum be killing rather than attempting to damage? I think a townie who finds Snake scummy would attack him to damage before a scum would as it's been clear that scum can flat out kill.

Also, if anyone has any poison healing or anything, try using it on Vez as he may have been poisoned (that's what the vial did btw).

[CryMeARiver]

By the way, did anyone notice how Katsuki was "removed from the game" later after he was lynched?

[CryMeARiver]

Have you been paying attention? Beefster was frozen and stabbed. Only scum would stab, as all town are wizards. Thus, scum clearly has a damaging ability.

I assumed the frozen was you and why do you think the stabbing had to be scum? Someone dropped a dagger that day and I can tell you now that scum wouldn't use that if they had ANY other abilities since it was practically useless.

[CryMeARiver]

Have you been paying attention? Beefster was frozen and stabbed. Only scum would stab, as all town are wizards. Thus, scum clearly has a damaging ability.

I assumed the frozen was you and why do you think the stabbing had to be scum? Someone dropped a dagger that day and I can tell you now that scum wouldn't use that if they had ANY other abilities since it was practically useless.

It would have had to do at least three damage to kill Beefster, as the spell I used dealt 5. Did the dagger do that much damage?

It did 1 - hence its lameness.

[CryMeARiver]

I am a VT.

As to the question of Beefster, perhaps an axe does more damage than a dagger?

Would axe be "stabbed" thougH?

[CryMeARiver]

Probably it's from one of the mageslayers. Them having swords would fit.

Hmmm so they've only killed one person then? I just noticed all the others have no flavor...

[CryMeARiver]

Status: Day 5

Those still fighting

1. Beefster Back from the afterlife on Day 5

2. Katy - VT

5. galdalf5166 Back from the afterlife on Day 3

9. CryMeARiver

10. Bunnylover

11. vezokpiraka - VT

12. SnakePlissken

13. ThAdmiral

15. Riceballtail

16. malthusis

Dark Green - Confirmed town
Light Green - Scummy play, but near-confirmed town
Blue - Town play

I'm gonna reread the 4 nontown.

@Gandalf: Not at this point, I don't mind.
@Admiral: Why? As the VT claims make up 2 of my 4 nontown (still unsure about RBT and Snake, but they live for now), I would like to know why you believe both are VTs.

[CryMeARiver]

Glad to have another player back.

Before anyone decides to pick up the items, lets let Gandalf pick up all the items if their are any to be picked up.

What made you assume there were items available?

Why are there only two? 3 sorcerers+2 mageslayers=/=6 scum

And yeah, godfather is possible, but if there really is a role that builds up to a oneshot cop and there are no other cop roles(which is entirely possible, there weren't any cops in the last game and a lot of mods hate cops), then it would be stupid as fuck.

I was considering the support cleric antitown. I'm not sure if that is an antitown role...

Nothing. I was just assuming since every other day we had items dropped either at the beginning of the day or a little into the day that this day it would be the same.
I just wanted to remind everyone.

Support Cleric doesn't sound anti-town to me.

Gandalf is it possible that your been redirected into attacking Vezo?

On the OP it's a different color than the rest of town.

[CryMeARiver]

It's third party, but pro-town third party, I would assume.

I don't see the sense in that statement.

[CryMeARiver]

As in, their wincon is not conflicting with town's and doesn't hurt the town.

I suppose. So you think we're looking for 2 yellow maf and a sorcerer? If so, we might analyze reactions CoolDog had with people.

[CryMeARiver]

As in, their wincon is not conflicting with town's and doesn't hurt the town.

I suppose. So you think we're looking for 2 yellow maf and a sorcerer? If so, we might analyze reactions CoolDog had with people.

Small ISO. I found that he didn't even mention Katy however = yellow scum.

Vote: Katy

His interaction with gandalf (already clear), vez (not yellow scum), nacho (dead) and me makes me think none of those <---- are yellow scum, though I already knew that about 3 of us.

[CryMeARiver]

Wow. Today was truly an unproductive day for me. I didn't even find the time to catch up even though I had the day off.

I'll catch up tomorrow, I promise.

Do you happen to know anything about how you were revived?

[CryMeARiver]

Also, there are no connections between Kat and vezo. Vezo is yellow-scum.

Also, while vezom might EVENTUALLY die, I think seeing him flip earlier might be a good idea.

The connections ARE that they are the 2 VT claims so gandalf is assuming one of them are scum.

Yeah, if she flips scum then that would help us lower the number of scum.

Bunny's losing the number of townie points on my side all up and down this page. But this statement...sheesh

[CryMeARiver]

Oh, no, I'm surprised I didn't die last night actually.

Also, of importance I imagine, I'm the one who cleared Kat's corpse.

Was it just a magic little thing to prevent him from being revived or did something actually happen from it?

[CryMeARiver]

Godfather speculation is pointless, unless someone else wants to claim investigative powers. This isn't a bastard game.

Godfather is not a bastard role. Though I agree that speculation about the role is useless at this point - but it must be considered in a possible MYLO LYLO situation.

[CryMeARiver]

Yeah, I see that. I guess we can leave vezo alive. But I won't use my last damaging ability until he's dead.

By the way, gandalf, I don't understand this. What's the difference between using it tonight and later except...we could get rid of a scumkill tonight if you use it?

[CryMeARiver]

Yeah, I see that. I guess we can leave vezo alive. But I won't use my last damaging ability until he's dead.

By the way, gandalf, I don't understand this. What's the difference between using it tonight and later except...we could get rid of a scumkill tonight if you use it?

Get rid of a scumkill? I don't understand what you're asking, but the reason I won't use my last damage ability until he's dead is that if the poison ever expires, then I don't want to be left with no way to get rid of him except wasting a lynch.

Killing sorcerer scum tonight = getting rid of a scumkill as they will have no one left, yes?
Also, it's not a waste? It's the same effect either way.

[CryMeARiver]

Yeah, I see that. I guess we can leave vezo alive. But I won't use my last damaging ability until he's dead.

By the way, gandalf, I don't understand this. What's the difference between using it tonight and later except...we could get rid of a scumkill tonight if you use it?

Get rid of a scumkill? I don't understand what you're asking, but the reason I won't use my last damage ability until he's dead is that if the poison ever expires, then I don't want to be left with no way to get rid of him except wasting a lynch.

By the way, you're not the only one with damaging abilities . Though I'm not going into specifics (last game claim mechanics).

[CryMeARiver]

Yeahhhhhh...........

Katy's definitely scum. Do you think that ice savant is a scum role? Because it's been proven I have ice powers.

I didn't say you had a scum role. You clearly flipped town.

What I'm wondering is if scum had a resurrect-recruit power. All I'm saying is it's something to think about if people keep getting mislynched by "confirmed" townies who don't even bother to make a reasoned case.

Good thought

[CryMeARiver]

UNVOTE: Katy
Until I can read Beef's case before quick hammer.

[CryMeARiver]

I'm all caught up! This is a very controversial matter, but I want you to hear me out on this. This could be valuable to consider.

malthusis has been throwing up red flags for me since the beginning of the game.

I really hate this post

Here's a quick thought I just came up with:

It seems pretty obvious to me that sorcerer scum would not be on Katsuki's QL wagon.

WIFOM

Here are the people who voted for Katuki to get lynched:

Katsuki (8) - Albert B. Rampage, Tasky, ThAdmiral, SnakePlissken, CryMeARiver, CooLDoG, malthusis, vezokpiraka

The people who are living right now who haven't voted for Katsuki are:

Katy, Gandalf, Bunnylover, and RBT

We can eliminate Gandalf for obvious reasons (he flipped town), and I honestly think that Bunnylover is town, especially with his recent actions. That leaves only 2 people:

WIFOM

RBT and Katy

I'm sure that the last Sorcerer is one of these two.

the last sorcerer? what makes you so certain there are

3

sorcerers. Sure RBT has now confirmed that there are 6 scum overall, but that says nothing about factions.

responses in

italics

Also, a question to Katy, Bunny and RBT. Why didn't you vote for Katsuki when we knew he was scum? Or even posted after the hammer to say you would have?

I did vote for Katsuki after we knew he was scum.

I was talking about before the flip. Not voting for Katsuki after the flip would be like pasting a huge "I AM SCUM" sign in big bold letters on your forehead.

Your logic is broken. Thankfully, nobody has listened to you, scum.

FoS: malthusis

Considering SitMOA I, it may not be completely justified to consider flips confirmed information.

Oh, I'm almost certain that Kat was telling the truth now by the way.

Highly likely. I suspect two teams of three scum each. Either way, I know for 100% certain that there are six scum in the game. Would the last living professor like to confirm it, or are you scum too?

The council consisted of: Myself, Katsuki, Nacho, Beefster, Chesskid, and one other player, of whom never posted in the QT. We were not confirmed as town, and used aliases. Three of us must be alive to cast a ritual, so we cannot affect the game any longer with them.

I can confirm this as fact. I am also 90% certain that RBT is town.

I forgot to mention this earlier: it is possible that Katsuki was never in the neighborhood. He could be an ordinary sorcerer who claimed to be Magneto. (We had aliases) The real Magneto could be lurking in the QT...

And I think it's you!

Oh, now I know who ProfessorX was. Chess is really bad at logging in to the right account >.>

Hmmmm....... That's really irritating. But RBT is probably town. Other professor, if you're town, speak up.

Actually, ABR could be that last professor. Were you told when the other professors died?

Here's my original thought process:

You're in the neighborhood? Why would you kill me if you knew I was in the neighborhood? It's not protown to kill off a player who can help with performing protown rituals.

And another thing: You ARE the other professor. The council could not perform rituals last night, and RBT was there, therefore there is no other professor. My bet is that you were Magnetoscum, and you agreed with your scum faction that the next lynchee would claim Magneto, and naturally you would sink into the shadows of the QT.

You are probably a deathgodfather.

But wait, there's more!

This looks fishy.

Well, it's nice to see someone helped me out with Beefster(although it looks like it was CoolDog).

I find the way he's pointing out my kill to be odd.

I just realized: Beefster's death is the only one with kill flavor. Weird, huh?

And this...

Oh, I'm almost certain that Kat was telling the truth now by the way.

Lol at Snake. You admit that you have absolutely no idea what the fuck is going on, and yet you pick up an item and act like it will tell you. Drop the item, and give it to someone WHO ACTUALLY KNOWS WHAT IS GOING ON. I mean, I'd rather you let vezok keep it. You are by definition the WORST person to hold it, regardless of your alignment. Also, this game is not going fast lol. It's halfway through D3 and we only have 16 pages. Even if malt was my TOP suspect, if I didn't know what was going on and he presumably did, I would let him have it, because he would at least have to PRETEND he used it for pro-town purposes. Whereas I couldn't, because I didn't know what was going on.

That said, I think vezok just became confirmed yellow scum. Think for a second. Scrolls are written in Draconian(I think, it might be some other language, but the point is that only spell-users can read them). So a non-caster wouldn't be able to read it. With this in mind, I want Snake to keep the scroll. Then, once he gets it, he'll tell us if he can tell what it does. Then he'll drop it and I'll pick it up. If he was right, he's confirmed non-yellow scum. Also, at this point, if I too can't read the scroll, I can announce as such and there's no harm done. Then we'll give it to ThAd(if Snake can read it, since there are only two yellow scum left), and he can try the same thing. Rinse and repeat. Until we find both yellow scum

Why did he want the scroll so badly?

I just realized what the scroll probably does..... Once I get it, I'm using it unless I CAN read it and I was wrong.

How would you know? If you think Kat was being truthful, then he was Magneto and you are his affiliate, and thus you are not a professor. Why would you be so obsessed about getting an item you thought would protect you? (In reality, it was the scroll that gives a post restriction upon use- I made it, and concealed it, thinking chesskid was in the QT as I wanted to essentially prevent him from being a dick-voter again by making him unable to vote in posts, hoping he would take the bait. Unfortunately, or rather fortunately, the scroll was used by gandalf. I already used the protection scroll in attempt to save myself from death)

And yeah, godfather is possible, but if there really is a role that builds up to a oneshot cop and there are no other cop roles(which is entirely possible, there weren't any cops in the last game and a lot of mods hate cops), then it would be stupid as fuck.

He seems to be hinting at his own role.

WARNING: WIFOM APPROACHING!
I also find it strange that gandalf has not been rekilled yet despite his "confirmed" townie status.

My conclusion, which I understand contradicts the above somewhat, but I felt it necessary to show my thought process before showing my ultimate conclusion.

Now, it has become clear. I am very confident with this logic:
*gandalf is a deathgodfather affiliated with Katsuki, the real professor.
**Katsuki fed gandalf the information from the quicktopic, including aliases.
*There is in fact another professor lurking about in the QT, likely town.
*he wanted to get lots of items to take advantage of them.
*gandalf is mercilessly abusing his "confirmed" townie status.

VOTE: gandalf

Hmmmm - I support the Malt fos, I find the reverse godfather and most everything else about gandalf (except a few coincidences that match up with the Professor QT) to be mostly WIFOM. Also, why would someone town lurk from the Professor QT?

[CryMeARiver]

In fact, I know Beefster won't go away, so here's the QT where I saw ProfX:
http://www.quicktopic.com/45/H/CzhaR5K79JJE

If that's ongoing...

[CryMeARiver]

In fact, I know Beefster won't go away, so here's the QT where I saw ProfX:
http://www.quicktopic.com/45/H/CzhaR5K79JJE

If that's ongoing...

It's a survivor game, not mafia.

Ah, btw, how does that confirm yoU?

[CryMeARiver]

I would ask specifically why you changed your mind, but you're cleared town so it doesn't matter and we have more important things to worry about.

I'd laugh quite hard if he were a reverse godfather.
I'd support Malt lynch before Katy lynch personally. I have never gotten the case against Katy really (as I think I've expressed many times). The clears may decide since we have like 2 or 3, but for now: VOTE: Malt

[CryMeARiver]

beefster if Gandalf is the deathgodfather of one of the team, wouldn't that make you the other deathgodfather since the only reason Gandalf was reserrected was because of his powers (assuming that what death godfather do) which would mean you would be the other one (2 scum team).
I just think that ridiculous logic and smack you on the head.
Also it wasn't Gandlaf who wanted the items, it was the active players who said Gandalf should have the items.
Btw since their are 3 professor (Beefster, RBT, the lurker that is unknown) doesn't that mean you 3 can preform a ritual again?
Another thing about the professor, how exactly is everyone dead who was a professor. I mean if you think about it you all were using allias so it makes no sense (unless some slipped) for them to be dead in the first place, but this is me just rambling.

I don't know, I haven't really read Malt as scummy.
I dislike CMAR vote on Malt. If you never supported Katy lynch, well you would want Malt lynch instead of Katy, why would you go with the lynch that Malt had started against Katy?

Because the clear said he would be testing VT's and I support that general method. However I don't think Katy will flip scum. In my mind, Vezo would flip scum before Katy. Also, I have expressed my misunderstanding of the Katy wagon the entire game because, as Katy insists on pointing out time after time, no one ever really answers her questions but Malt, and his are not quite sufficient.

[CryMeARiver]

@CMR: I don't see in your ISO that you expressed concern about whats happening to Katy, but I could be wrong (could have missed the post). But the thing I don't like about your vote is that you voted Katy even though you disagreed with the reason she is getting lynched and you see that no one has significant reason to lynch her.
Again you say you would rather have another person (Vezo) lynch before Katy, yet your vote goes on Malt (which is understandable since he kinda lead the Katy wagon).

Neither Katy or Snake have specifically stuck out to me, I'm gonna go reread them.

...how did we deduce Katy was sorcerer scum again? I still don't see any commanding evidence...

I actually thought there were more. But here are the two I found.

Bunny, if you look at my vote on Katy, I voted her because I analyzed CoolDog and found that CoolDog didn't even mention Katy in one of his posts. Also, I admit, I was sheeping the clear a bit with that vote. Now I realize that CoolDog didn't mention a few people in his ISO.
Yes, if it came down to Katy and vezo, I'd lean vezo. But I'd rather lynch malt before I lynch either of the VTs.

[CryMeARiver]

Okay, here's my claim:

I'm a Warmage (wizard). In addition to the few spells I have left, I have a spear that does 3 points of damage.

N1 Attacked Katsuki with a spell (Failed, used up slot and took 1 HP damage from something)
N2 Attacked Katsuki with spear (I have no idea whether this worked)
N3 Attacked Beefster with spear (Probably the reason behind Beefster's stabbed kill)
N4 Had Inbox problems, don't know whether I sent my action in. It was going to be stabbing Katy with my spear, though.

I don't really see the reason behind why you want me lynched beside the case on Katy. Can anybody sum it up for me?

Hmmm this flavor could easily be mageslayer or whatever (I think I remember gandalf saying something about swords) turned to town. Yes, I will attempt to sum up a case on you.

[CryMeARiver]

Dislike Malt claim because No one alive can say its true or not.
Also a Warmage sounds more like yellow scum

I've been leaning on town with Malt, and I'm sticking too that until I hear CMR case.

Just checking in and letting you know it likely won't be til tomorrow Gonna be out tonight

[CryMeARiver]

Started to read thru this (sorry for not being on yesterday) and I realized how ridiculous people are. My FOS had NOTHING to do with Malt starting the Katy bandwagon/suspicion. It had to do with his scumminess. I will provide a case now and then continue to read thru the page I missed.

[CryMeARiver]

Malt did nothing but vote CoolDog (yellow scum) D1.
He then says how he's shocked about the gandalf quicklynch and votes Kat. Good so far.

As much I agree with you ABR, the point is this: Katuski hammered a person for no good reason. Unless you're making a Jester argument here, why/do you think Katsuki isn't scum? We can figure out the sheeping scum and just plain sheep later.

This kind of seems like he's reaching for reasons not to lynch Kat. Still, not much here.

ARE YOU ALL FUCKING STUPID.
GOD DAMNIT
YOU ALL DID THE EXACT SAME SHIT THAT HAPPENED YESTERDAY.

Their is scum in that list. Their has to be, or this town is the most idiotic town I've seen.

QFT, although I'm worried that they could just be idiotic town....

You put him at L2. Yet you alienate yourself from the "idiotic town".

All of his next posts are posts saying that Kat is CONFIRMED SCUM and that we should lynch him rather than leave him for the vigs. Here's a sample:

I would rather lynch Kat a CONFIRMED SCUM then hope vigs do it considering I'd rather lynch a person who I know is scum then one I know who could be scum.

But getting back to the main point, it would be nice to hear from the faces who haven't shown up yet (RBT) and the ones who haven't posted anything other then fluff (Thad off the top of my head, probably a few more I can't think of).

I absolutely agreed with this plan, hence my vote on Kat. Malt never voted Kat the 2nd time around.
@Malt: Why did you never vote Kat despite your 10 or so posts about why we should lynch him?

When everyone chimes in with some opinions and everything that needs to be discussed is, I'll be happy to hammer Katsuki myself.

I may have found the real reason why:

A Kats claim wouldn't hurt at all, but I seriously think now that it's a lost cause since he's in "shut-up so he doesn't reveal his partners" mode once he realizes he's done.

Malt was looking for a claim before the lynch. He was hesitant in his voting Kat because he didn't want Kat to be lynched too quickly before he claimed. Remember the 3rd party role from last round? I may have just found it. Or it's just a bunch of possible speculation shit.

It seems pretty obvious to me that sorcerer scum would not be on Katsuki's QL wagon.

He used this to clear himself of sorcerer scum. In reality, a sorcerer could realize that Kat is being lynched and bus. Malt voted at the END of the Kat wagon (he realized Kat was being lynched) and then he proceeded to say only RBT and Katy could be sorcerer scum when this is not true at all (trying to clear himself). I could easily see Malt as sorcerer scum.

That wouldn't have anything to do with bussing at all. No scum partner would simply put a vote on a person randomly that is their buddy that's about to get lynched.

More lies.

Also, as stated before, I could see the flavor in this claim:

Okay, here's my claim:

I'm a Warmage (wizard). In addition to the few spells I have left, I have a spear that does 3 points of damage.

N1 Attacked Katsuki with a spell (Failed, used up slot and took 1 HP damage from something)
N2 Attacked Katsuki with spear (I have no idea whether this worked)
N3 Attacked Beefster with spear (Probably the reason behind Beefster's stabbed kill)
N4 Had Inbox problems, don't know whether I sent my action in. It was going to be stabbing Katy with my spear, though.

I don't really see the reason behind why you want me lynched beside the case on Katy. Can anybody sum it up for me?

being yellow scum.
So I've come to the point where I could see Malt being 3rd party, sorcerer scum, or yellow scum.

[CryMeARiver]

Bit late Vezok just ha,mmered.

Okay I'm not joking. I skimmed the thread before I posted that case. I saw Malt was at L1 in Snow's vote count, I saw gandalf unvote, and I saw vezo vote. I for some reason thought gandalf was voting malt at the time so I still thought it was L1.

[CryMeARiver]

I think Thad was gambiting .

But I have to agree that it was a scummy move.

unvote
vote malt

If this was a hammer on purpose, this is scummy.
If this was an OOPS hammer, 2 OOPS hammers in one game is too many.

[CryMeARiver]

Btw, you see a dagger and a spear lying on the floor.

Leave them for a clear (Beef/Gandalf)

[CryMeARiver]

By the way, based on the number of town reads I have, and the fact that there are supposedly 6 antitown players in the game, I find it likely that Albert was scum in some manner (whether Sorcerer or yellow) and unlikely that there are 3 scum left in the game.

[CryMeARiver]

Alright, clearly I need to claim. I am a Wild Mage
I can use Wild Magic. I choose a player to target. I don’t know what will happen prior to using it, but after the fact, I know what I did.
On night 1, I thought chesskid was scummy as shit. I targeted him and ended up getting a track report back. He had visited rewq. At this point I thought 2 mafia teams and he had crosskilled rewq as I still had him pinned as scum in my mind.
On night 2, I targeted chesskid again. I was hoping to either shoot him, damage him, or confirm a guilty report on him. I actually ended up using a 2 HP damage on him and keeping that ability as an unlimited. However the mod told me that my spell didn’t go thru on chesskid but I still got to keep the ability. (Did someone block me?)
Night 3, I was hoping to gain another (better) ability since the 2HP seemed kind of lame. I targeted myself and received a wand that can dispel magic (4 shot). I didn’t really understand what it did, but I found I could use it during the day, so at the beginning of the day I used it on Tasky because I found him scummy. I don’t know what it did.
Night 4, I thought I might as well use it on myself again (thinking that the mod wouldn’t let me kill myself or investigate myself as that’s bastardly) and I gained a miscellaneous ability. This one is powerful, I can remove someone from the game. It’s considered a miscellaneous ability and the person won’t flip. I assume this is similar to what happened to Albert.
Last night I thought to myself that I had enough abilities to last me the rest of the game. I figured I should target someone else. I was going to target Beefster at first, hoping to protect him, but I figured that it would be worse if I investigated him (already flipped), tracked him, or, even worse, killed him. So I decided I would use it on a protown player who wasn’t necessarily clear. I chose BunnyLover and I vigged him  Sorry Bunny! 
So at this point I have an unlimited damaging spell that takes away 2 HP which I have yet to effectively use, a wand that dispels magic with 3 more shots in it, the ability to remove a player from the game, and my wild magic. I was planning on telling you about my remove from game ability today anyway and letting you guys decide who I should use it on. Oh, and I only have 6HP so please don’t attack me tonight with more than that since killing is before miscellaneous ability on the night action resolution and that would mean I couldn’t use my remove someone from the game ability  Anyway, this item is pretty useless if you want it. Actually, I think I’m going to use it on Snake right now. Then I’ll give it to anyone if they want it.
@Gandalf: The only ones you should consider clear are yourself and Beefster. RBT is by no means clear just being a professor in my opinion and Snake had an innocent report and is by no means clear. I also found it suspicious that he got everyone to not target him by saying that he couldn’t be damaged. That seems overpowering. I do agree with the THAD lynch however, but I really hope you don’t kill me tonight. I’m hoping that we can lynch THaD, kill Katy tonight, I’ll remove snake tonight, and we’ll see if tomorrow even comes seeing as how I find it likely the scum are in those 3 ^

[CryMeARiver]

Still, nobody vote or anything like that

, because I'm not done yet, but my mom's kicking me off.

Gand: I can probably take the remaining scum-tastic player out.

If you're attacking CMAR, I'll attack Katy.

VOTE:ThAd

Pick Up Spear

Vote ThAdmiral

Okies. Got that. Im not able to post much at the moment and Ive dropped out of the rest of my games. If you need something from me ask I'll be checking in and out.

[CryMeARiver]

I guess it's too much to hope that there is another cleric. I don't see that there could be, else I would just say lynch me today, then res me at night after the flip.

My main concern is basically scum getting advantage from many players dying at once. If possible, I think the ideal outcome for tomorrow is if I am killed at night tonight. I know that if I am still alive tomorrow, I will be lynched without much thought or discussion and it will be a mislynch. I would rather be dead in the night and have town be forced to reevaluate their assumptions about the game if they are still going tomorrow.

@Katy: The only reason there are so many confirmed townies is that scum haven't even tried to kill even one of us for some reason.

>_> Yeah that's exactly what I'm worried about. That "some reason" is that not all of those confirmed townies are actually townies.

This is a protown post.

@Gandalf: Do you want the wand? Can I imprison Snake tonight?

[CryMeARiver]

Hmmmmmm........ I'm attacking CMAR tonight, and he should remove Katy from the game. Snake, target someone else.

And how else do you explain that the other professor hasn't claimed yet, CMAR? Why, as town, would you not claim? RBT is town. Undoubtedly.

Beefster: If you don't suspect Katy and CMAR, who DO you suspect?

I have no idea how it works. They need 3 Professors to use the QT from my understanding. I suppose you are right that it's likely that scum is just not posting in the QT, but that still does not clear RBT (why can more than 1 scum not be in the QT)? Also, perhaps someone's presence counts in the QT but they don't actually know about it. The "What if" 's go on and on, but we truly can't consider RBT (or Snake) clear as we don't know the mechanic behind the setup. Heck, I'm considering you and Beefy clear but in reality, as Beefy brought up earlier, there could be some crazy reverse death godfather crap going on. I do find it suspicious how neither you, Beefy, RBT, or Snake have died and makes me think it's a very real possibility that the scum could be within our little group of "clears".

@People Attacking Tonight: Please prepare your attack first. If I die without being able to attack tonight, I shall be pissed. I better not lose more than 5 HP points.

[CryMeARiver]

Alrighty then!

I am going to divulge everything I know and then hope that you are willing to cooperate as I believe it would be in our mutual best interests. All I ask is that you

please keep an open mind

...

Firstly - I am scum.

Alright. Hopefully you have allowed that to sink in. Let's push on, shall we?
I am a mageslayer. My one and only partner was cooldog and we had an interesting relationship in which he could talk to me (through snowbunny), but I could not talk back. Our tasks were as follows:
1. Kidnap or kill the archmage
2. Kill magic users
Cooldog had some sort of investigative powers and I don't know what else (as, somewhat frustratingly, he didn't tell me his entire role claim), and had found out chesskid was the archmage. I had a one shot "kidnap" ability, which I used to remove chesskid from the game.
Other than that I am not sure if cooldog has been responsible for any kills (as, once again somewhat frustratingly, he didn't tell me his actions).

My item is:
A sword which I can use to deal 4 damage to any player.

My abilities are:
- I can hit someone for 6 damage, but only if they have cast a spell that night.
- The kidnap ability I already spoke about (1-shot, used).

My actions have been:
n1 - 4 damage attack on katsuki - failed (don't know why)
n2 - 4 damage attack on beefster - failed (was protected apparently, told by snowbunny)
n3 - 6 damage attack on katy - failed (don't know why, but if katy is vanilla it makes sense that it didn't work as she wouldn't have had a night action)
n4 - 4 damage attack on vezok - worked

So as you can see I have been pretty frustrated as far as night actions go.

Now here is the interesting bit: I don't need to survive to win!
I'll say that again -

I don't need to survive to win

. The win condition of the yellow mageslayer team is based on points (I'm hoping other people have point-based win conditions as then they would be able to back this up). If we get to 8 points we satisfy our win condition.
Basically as we fulfilled the main task of our team, kidnapping the archmage, we got a heap of points (5 points). The other way we gain points is by killing magic users (1 point each, sadly not including lynches), so by killing vezo last night I ensured another point for my team, meaning I am on at least 6 points. What I am hoping is that cooldog was involved in at least one of the kills that happened before he died, which means we would be on 7 points. Which of course means that I just need to be part of one more kill and I would have satisfied my win condition.
Once again I will repeat what I believe is an important sentence:

I just have to help kill one more person and I will have satisfied my one and only win condition

. After that I would be more than happy to bow out and vote for myself or whatever else you guys want me to do.

Now I know that you will still be wanting to lynch me right now as I confirmed scum but think about it logically. I am just one man. If the claim about there being 6 anti-town roles out there is true then there are probably 2 purple sorcerer scum still alive, who therefore present a much larger threat than I do.

Basically what I am suggesting is that you lynch someone else, tell me who to use my ability on tonight and then lynch me tomorrow, or however else you want to play it from there.
I feel pretty hard done by that so many of my night actions failed on me, which probably would have seen me get to the required 8 points by now and not have to worry about begging not to be lynched. But this is the situation I find myself in.
What I am asking for is mercy - or really just kindness and good sportsmanship. As town you can choose to be both greedy (by hogging the win to yourselves when you would lose nothing by sharing) and somewhat illogical by lynching me (i.e. the lesser threat), or you can take the higher path and let me help you.

I've been 100% honest in everything I've said. I poured my heart out, bared my soul. And I throw myself at your feet.

Do what you feel is right.

What I got out of this was:
1) I'm scum
2) If you don't lynch me, I might win tonight
3) I kidnapped your town vig (and probably did other stuff)
4) There's a 3rd party at play.

@Gandalf: May I vote him please?
@ThAd: If scum win, town doesn't. That's how the game is played. We wouldn't be hogging anything by lynching you. It's in our wincon to lynch scum. But if gandalf wants to play nice and lynch you tomorrow, that's fine. But ONLY if you kill who he tells you to.

[CryMeARiver]

The rules on the first page say that if one team's wincon does not interfere with another's, the game goes on. Change of plans. ThAd, you'll help me kill CMAR tonight. Your sword will be enough. Katy can't be sorcerer scum unless the sorcerer NK isn't a spell, which is unlikely(I don't see any reason why it wouldn't be Magic Missile like last game). Especially since a vanilla goon seems equally unlikely. Well, potentially it's possible that if there are four sorcerers, then she might have chosen not to perform the NK or any night actions. But if she had night actions, I don't see why she would purposely not use them.

@CMAR: Why would we waste a lynch on him when he can help us kill scum suspects AND eliminate himself all on his own? Once he wins, he'll leave the game. I think you're just scared of the fact that he's gonna kill you. Oh. And HOW DID YOU KNOW CHESS WAS A VIG. I smell inside info.

The only real question now is who we're going to lynch today. We could lynch Katy, just to be absolutely sure. She could be an SK or something that doesn't use magic.

1) You're a fucking idiot. When I posted that post, no one had mentioned that he would kill me. Nice try though.
2) No one could make up the claim I just posted. It's real and you're wasting your kill tonight. I'm going to use wild magic on myself and hopefully receive something to kill anyone who visits me or more HP.
3) YOU ARE TRUSTING SCUM AGAIN! Why do you constantly do that? You trusted Katsuki (confirmed scum) and you're trusting what ThAd says (LITERALLY CLAIMED SCUM). The point of mafiascum is to FIND the scum and KILL the scum. Not FIND the scum and let them WIN. He could easily be lying about a) his wincon b) his powers. Scum lies. Learn2Play. Learn2Lead.

Although I am uncomfortable letting Scum get their win condition.

I'd still prefer, lynch ThAd, attack Katy, deal with CMR and RBT tomorrow?

This is the absolute right thing to do. I believe at one point you said there was no way I'm not town. You also said snake was scum at one point. You've said Katy is scum. Yet you want to lynch me who is the ONLY one who has a solid claim besides the clears and RBT.

Okay, we have two choices. We can almost certainly win(if ThAd helps us we can even account for the slight possibility that RBT could be scum), and let ThAd and CD win with us, or we can keep ThAd from winning and risk handing the game to sorcerer-scum if anything screwy happens. As far as lyching Katy then killing CMAR or vice versa, it doesn't really matter. But if we kill Katy, then we'll need your help. Plus, if katy is scum, she's probably spell-less SK, which won't let ThAd win. And I feel like ThAd should win.

1) Why the hell would claimed scum help us?
2) You have no idea what ThAd's wincon is yet you're speaking like you do.
3) There is only one sorcerer scum left likely. I like how we are COMPLETELY disregarding the fact that 1 almost confirmed town and 1 clear town said there was SIXXXXXXXXXX antitown roles, yet ThAdscum is saying there are only two of them. So there are 4 sorcerers? REALLY? YOU ARE GETTING PLAYED BY CLAIMED SCUM.
4) You. JUST. SAID. that you feel that SCUMMMMMMMMMMMMMM should win. Are you retarded?

Being as CMAR is threatening to remove me overnight, although that said I'm not worried about that, then we should lynch him and Kill Katy *Sharpens Spear*

unvote

Think about it from my point of view. Gandalf, Beefster, and myself are all clear to me. We were lynching ThAd. They were going to kill Katy. That leaves RBT and you. RBT's facts add up MUCH better than yours as I already showed. Therefore logically of course I would choose you.

Katy, it doesn't matter what scum you are. You HAVE to be scum of some kind, practically. And the fact that you're pushing so hard not to die is just making me even more suspicious. Town would realize that there are three people out of which two are scum, and VOLUNTEER to die. Do you have a reason why killing you would lose town the game?
Another stupid post seeing as how we're assuming that we have 3 antitown alive according to Beefy and RBT at this point. No. one. would. volunteer. to die. That's scummy - like selfvoting. The only way that comes into play is if it's VT sacrificing itself for a PR and that's rare.

Elaborate? Who will die?

Anyone who targets me.

One of my spells was a one-shot PGO buff to myself. Since anyone has yet to actually target me, I presume it is still up.

Two nonclears just got you not to target them by saying this. This is ridiculous that you are believing them and changing your decision to kill them SOLELY based on the fact that they are saying this. You are getting played by one of them likely. Think about it, if I had said I had this ability, you wouldn't have changed your mind of attacking me. You'd have said I was lying. This is ridiculous.

[CryMeARiver]

The rules on the first page say that if one team's wincon does not interfere with another's, the game goes on. Change of plans. ThAd, you'll help me kill CMAR tonight. Your sword will be enough. Katy can't be sorcerer scum unless the sorcerer NK isn't a spell, which is unlikely(I don't see any reason why it wouldn't be Magic Missile like last game). Especially since a vanilla goon seems equally unlikely. Well, potentially it's possible that if there are four sorcerers, then she might have chosen not to perform the NK or any night actions. But if she had night actions, I don't see why she would purposely not use them.

@CMAR: Why would we waste a lynch on him when he can help us kill scum suspects AND eliminate himself all on his own? Once he wins, he'll leave the game. I think you're just scared of the fact that he's gonna kill you. Oh. And HOW DID YOU KNOW CHESS WAS A VIG. I smell inside info.

The only real question now is who we're going to lynch today. We could lynch Katy, just to be absolutely sure. She could be an SK or something that doesn't use magic.

1) You're a fucking idiot. When I posted that post, no one had mentioned that he would kill me. Nice try though.
2) No one could make up the claim I just posted. It's real and you're wasting your kill tonight. I'm going to use wild magic on myself and hopefully receive something to kill anyone who visits me or more HP.
3) YOU ARE TRUSTING SCUM AGAIN! Why do you constantly do that? You trusted Katsuki (confirmed scum) and you're trusting what ThAd says (LITERALLY CLAIMED SCUM). The point of mafiascum is to FIND the scum and KILL the scum. Not FIND the scum and let them WIN. He could easily be lying about a) his wincon b) his powers. Scum lies. Learn2Play. Learn2Lead.

Although I am uncomfortable letting Scum get their win condition.

I'd still prefer, lynch ThAd, attack Katy, deal with CMR and RBT tomorrow?

This is the absolute right thing to do. I believe at one point you said there was no way I'm not town. You also said snake was scum at one point. You've said Katy is scum. Yet you want to lynch me who is the ONLY one who has a solid claim besides the clears and RBT.

Okay, we have two choices. We can almost certainly win(if ThAd helps us we can even account for the slight possibility that RBT could be scum), and let ThAd and CD win with us, or we can keep ThAd from winning and risk handing the game to sorcerer-scum if anything screwy happens. As far as lyching Katy then killing CMAR or vice versa, it doesn't really matter. But if we kill Katy, then we'll need your help. Plus, if katy is scum, she's probably spell-less SK, which won't let ThAd win. And I feel like ThAd should win.

1) Why the hell would claimed scum help us?
2) You have no idea what ThAd's wincon is yet you're speaking like you do.
3) There is only one sorcerer scum left likely. I like how we are COMPLETELY disregarding the fact that 1 almost confirmed town and 1 clear town said there was SIXXXXXXXXXX antitown roles, yet ThAdscum is saying there are only two of them. So there are 4 sorcerers? REALLY? YOU ARE GETTING PLAYED BY CLAIMED SCUM.
4) You. JUST. SAID. that you feel that SCUMMMMMMMMMMMMMM should win. Are you retarded?

Being as CMAR is threatening to remove me overnight, although that said I'm not worried about that, then we should lynch him and Kill Katy *Sharpens Spear*

unvote

Think about it from my point of view. Gandalf, Beefster, and myself are all clear to me. We were lynching ThAd. They were going to kill Katy. That leaves RBT and you. RBT's facts add up MUCH better than yours as I already showed. Therefore logically of course I would choose you.

Katy, it doesn't matter what scum you are. You HAVE to be scum of some kind, practically. And the fact that you're pushing so hard not to die is just making me even more suspicious. Town would realize that there are three people out of which two are scum, and VOLUNTEER to die. Do you have a reason why killing you would lose town the game?
Another stupid post seeing as how we're assuming that we have 3 antitown alive according to Beefy and RBT at this point. No. one. would. volunteer. to die. That's scummy - like selfvoting. The only way that comes into play is if it's VT sacrificing itself for a PR and that's rare.

Elaborate? Who will die?

Anyone who targets me.

One of my spells was a one-shot PGO buff to myself. Since anyone has yet to actually target me, I presume it is still up.

Two nonclears just got you not to target them by saying this. This is ridiculous that you are believing them and changing your decision to kill them SOLELY based on the fact that they are saying this. You are getting played by one of them likely. Think about it, if I had said I had this ability, you wouldn't have changed your mind of attacking me. You'd have said I was lying. This is ridiculous.

Oh. And by the way. I already said this. I TRACKED CHESSKID TO REWQ N1! GO READ MY CLAIM NOW FORREAL. KTHX.

[CryMeARiver]

Actually, I think it's gotten to this point. I purposely left something out of my Role PM.
On D2 and D3, I summoned two items. This was a two shot day spell that I received with my wild magic, but couldn't use on D1. I asked the mod whether the items were taken from other players (it just said summoned) and he said they were chosen randomly from a list of items that had already been created. The first item does nothing to my knowledge. They are "academic robes" that "make me smarter" but the mod said that they held no ability to my knowledge. On D3, I summoned a ring. I will not tell you what the ring does, however, I am dropping it

ONLY FOR BEEFSTER

. In my opinion, this further confirms that I am town. NO SCUM would ever possess an object like this. I hope Beefster will relay that to the town.

NO ONE HAMMER ANYONE BEFORE BEEFSTER GETS THIS ITEM AND POSTS (hopefully telling people I am not scum and not to freakin kill me).

Drop Ring

[CryMeARiver]

You're still ignoring the fact that there are three scum(potentially), and four people have a possibility of being one. If CMAR really can clear himself, you are definitely scum of some kind. ThAd isn't going to win just cause we waited one day to lynch him.

Oh, and ThAd, if CMAR clears himself, we're killing RBT instead.

One last time. Snake is not clear.

Also, did anyone have anything activated D2 or maybe the night after? These "academic robes" have yet to do a damn thing. Unless they're protecting me in some way I don't know about.

[CryMeARiver]

One last time. Snake is not clear.

Hence why I said "barring extreme bastardness".

Godfather /=/ bastardness.

[CryMeARiver]

In a game with one one-shot cop, yes it is.

You think the one-shot cop was the only investigative ability in this game? I respectfully disagree yet that's getting into setup speculation and I hate that. Borderline scumtell imo.

[CryMeARiver]

In a game with one one-shot cop, yes it is.

You think the one-shot cop was the only investigative ability in this game? I respectfully disagree yet that's getting into setup speculation and I hate that. Borderline scumtell imo.

Why would there be an ENTIRE ROLE that boiled down to a one-shot cop if there were other cop roles?

His role title was "summoner". I doubt he told us the specifics of the role. Also, there are other investigative roles. I wouldn't consider godfather bastardly.

[CryMeARiver]

Yes, but godfathers are immune to COPS. They can still be tracked, etc.

*sigh* I guess you're right. Snake still seems scummy to me. I still think godfather is a real possibility.

[CryMeARiver]

@ cmar: What is your plan for lynch today, kill at night, and lynch tomorrow?

Lynch ThAd - You claimed scum. 1) You might have to kill 2 people to get your wincon as CoolDog might not have even killed anyone. 2) You're scum so you don't have to kill who we tell you to...because you're scum.

I'll remove Katy from the game. I WOULD suggest everyone else spreads out their damage amongst me, Snake, and RBT so that we can kill anyone we find scummy easier, but RBT and Snake both claimed that they can't be hurt by damage = Clearly one of them is lying scum.

I can't say tomorrow's lynch because I'd have to see flips and such.

Where is Beefy? He needs to come in here, pick up my ring, get the mod to tell him what it does, then look at what happened N4 and confirm me as town.

I will ask again, did anyone have anything activated by the robes I picked up D2 or maybe the night after?

[CryMeARiver]

@Gandalf - I might be being a bit thick here but can you explain to me how letting ThAd hit his win con thus scum win actually benefits the the town?

Once ThAd reaches his wincon, he leaves the game without us having to kill him. Scum gone for free is definitely good for town.

1) If he's telling the truth
2) If he kills who you want him to kill. Personally, if I were him, I'd throw a wrench into things and just kill Beef or you.
3) If CoolDog killed someone and got a point. If he didn't, then ThAd has to kill two people.

People CoolDog could have killed before he died:

N1: Rewq - I tracked Cheeskid to rewq. Likely a vig.
N2: Nachomama
Chesskid - Removed from the game - ThAd "kidnapped him". No.
N3: Beefster - Stabbed and Frozen - Claimed by Gandalf. Likely not.
Albert - Removed from game, not killed. No.
CoolDog died

So, we are depending on the fact that CoolDog killed Nacho and that the Sorcerer's killed no one the first 3 nights. Ridiculous. Are we going to let ThAd live tomorrow too when he says "Oh just one more person!"???

[CryMeARiver]

He can't kill one of us. He needs our help. Did you READ his claim?

And yes, I am going to let him live, unless he's the LAST scum alive.

No, he does not. Other people have damaging spells (like me).
6 antitown. 3 dead, maybe another dead. He's not the last scum.

[CryMeARiver]

Lol scumslip. You have damaging spells.

But i you were town, you wouldn't consider the possibility that you would use them on us.

I was talking about future days.

Nope, no scumslip. Just emphasizing he doesn't need you to get his wincon. Nice try though.
Anyway, this game's dead til Beefy comes.

[CryMeARiver]

Lol scumslip. You have damaging spells.

But i you were town, you wouldn't consider the possibility that you would use them on us.

I was talking about future days.

Nope, no scumslip. Just emphasizing he doesn't need you to get his wincon. Nice try though.
Anyway, this game's dead til Beefy comes.

No, but he needs HELP. And what motivation does he have to attempt to get help from scum to kill me or Beef when he could just kill you with me, which he knows I have NO REASON to lie about doing?

In other words. You are only looking out for his best interest. Not the best interest of the town. I could have easily said that I have 20 HP and you wouldn't be killing me. I could have claimed the ridiculous thing that RBT and Snake did saying that damage on me will return and hit you so DONT KILLZ ME BRUH and you wouldn't be killing me. You are choosing me, not because you think I'm scummy, but just so you can get ThAd out of the game when we can do that easier and without all the doubt that I try to bring your attention to but you ignore, by lynching him. Also, you are blind to the fact that Snake can be scum and RBT can be scum (yes you acknowledged it, but you're not taking it seriously). Are you trying to get me to think you're not clear? Because you sure are trying really hard.
Whatever. Beefster will tell you not to kill me I hope.

[CryMeARiver]

Actually, I think it's gotten to this point. I purposely left something out of my Role PM.
On D2 and D3, I summoned two items. This was a two shot day spell that I received with my wild magic, but couldn't use on D1. I asked the mod whether the items were taken from other players (it just said summoned) and he said they were chosen randomly from a list of items that had already been created. The first item does nothing to my knowledge. They are "academic robes" that "make me smarter" but the mod said that they held no ability to my knowledge. On D3, I summoned a ring. I will not tell you what the ring does, however, I am dropping it

ONLY FOR BEEFSTER

. In my opinion, this further confirms that I am town. NO SCUM would ever possess an object like this. I hope Beefster will relay that to the town.

NO ONE HAMMER ANYONE BEFORE BEEFSTER GETS THIS ITEM AND POSTS (hopefully telling people I am not scum and not to freakin kill me).

Drop Ring

Are you the lurking professor?

Pick up Ring

I'm suspicious of this and will not use the ring unless you tell me what it does.

FoS: CMAR

1) No, why the heck would you think that?
2) It's a passive item, you don't have to activate it. I don't want to tell scum what it does. SnowBunny will tell you.

[CryMeARiver]

Safety first. Scum claim gets the vote.

VOTE: ThAdmiral

Did you receive the item?

[CryMeARiver]

But I CAN remove you from the game.
I hope Beefy gets in here and talks about the item before the day ends. Don't attack me - should I remove Katy or Snake?

[CryMeARiver]

Don't say I didn't warn you then. DO NOT ATTACK ME, You WILL take damage. I don't think removing me from the game will work either.

@Gandalf: Do you want me to remove RBT and lynch Snake tomorrow or do you want me to try this nevertheless?

[CryMeARiver]

Don't say I didn't warn you then. DO NOT ATTACK ME, You WILL take damage. I don't think removing me from the game will work either.

Hey, if he DOES take damage, all the better. He dies AND you die.

Meh, I'm still deciding if I'll use it on RBT or Snake. Leaning snake, but if someone can, someone should try to protect me from Snake's retaliatory attack. Perhaps the Professors if it still works after this lynch.

[CryMeARiver]

CMAR: Removes Snake
Gandalf: Attacks CMAR
Snake: Attacks Katy
RBT: Takes care of CMAR with the QT and...attacks Katy?
Beef: Attacks Katy?
Katy: VT
ThAd: Gets lynched

Confirm?

You're welcome Beefy Also, I suspect I'm probably the reason there were no kills on the night Beefy was revived. Beefy understands this

Then it's settled. Here's to hoping that ThAd's telling the truth about not being on it.

Holy. Crap. MAYBE THAT'S WHAT MY ACADEMIC ROBES DO! Maybe my presence is on the Professor's QT even if I don't have direct access to it! Like, I'm not really a professor, but I have the robes so I count in the numbers! Maybe that's why they can use their stuff still!

[CryMeARiver]

That's actually a really good theory. Hmmm....

Yeah, I bet that's it too!

So can you confirm all the night actions just so there's no mixups?

[CryMeARiver]

Alright, I suppose nothing else need be resolved. Plan seems to be good.

[CryMeARiver]

Hm?
Why exactly did you shoot me, of all people?

Me

So take out the cop. But that's just bastard.

I love how CMAR tried to act like he had JUST gotten entrance to the Professor QT. That was funny. Although I guess he didn't really have a choice.

Haha I saw that I was getting banished and that was my last choice

@Snake: I didn't target you. I actually dispelled your magic during the day with my fancy wand that I summoned lol

@ThAd: Boo for you breaking rules and claiming scum

Okay, how did I play? It was pretty stunning when both my scumbuddies died so freakin quickly and people KEPT being revived and getting cleared. I'm glad I lasted until the endgame. Thought my fake claim was really good.

[CryMeARiver]

@rbt: I claimed scum in the thread, of course you knew I was scum. If id stayed silent, you would havee banished me, my only chance was to post in case of a third party in the QT.

@gandalf: thanks! I thought the flavor and the summoning items was pretty perfect! Elect me for a scummy lol

@chess: yeah you angered me. But I knew you were prof x (and pretty much who everyone else was) as I matched MS time stamps with qt posts.

Looking back I,d have changed some of my night actions, but overall ii think I played rather well. Then again I was expecting kill help from opposing mafia; which I never got, to get rid of clears. I had a feeling BL was a reviver so I had to get rid of her. I think it favored town, maybe the reviver should have had to revive both scum and town to balance it more, or scum could've had a reviver. But fmpov it was only unbalanced because my buddies died off so quickly. I think I played pretty well lasting that long and my claim was beast. Thoughts on my play? This wasthe most fun I've had on MS, pre/in for the nxt one!

[CryMeARiver]

Also, you can ask the mod, I. Thought of so many clever strategies but couldn't use them haha. I kept badgering him with questions. Thanks SB!

I did have one complaint though. The 2 professors never asked you if the could use a ritual, thhey just assumed they couldnt . Fmpov, I. Didn't like that you interfered and said they could when they didn't ask as they would have been useless and I could have spied on them. Also, I think I posted a few times about how soul drain would give me more hp in the sorcerer qt, yet you didn't inter fere and let me know thatit only recovered hp, not gave me more.

Still, my fav game I've ever played on the site. Thanks!

[CryMeARiver]

i raped your scumteam with my beastfriend

Jerk, if I had rewq or kat, I could have won.

How'd I play chess and gand?

[CryMeARiver]

I wish I had replaced out.

Sorry, CMAR.

Its aight, it would've worked if it had been for those meddling kids...and their stupid dog too

[CryMeARiver]

I'm sorry to inform all of those interested that I don't think there will be a SitMOA III.

But there will be

something

else...

Noooooo! It was too amazing! Hell I will mod it if you backup or play it!!!

Something elsee...?

[CryMeARiver]

Well, you'll have to wait for my next setup.

The upcoming mini theme or a different one...?

[CryMeARiver]

I only loosely followed after I got told I couldn't be revived because of bullshit kidnappers.
>_>
did see enough of gandalf's play to figure out it sucked though

Did you see my claim?

[CryMeARiver]

I only loosely followed after I got told I couldn't be revived because of bullshit kidnappers.
>_>
did see enough of gandalf's play to figure out it sucked though

Did you see my claim?

eh i knew it was fake because my kill on rewq was untrackable so >_>
unfair for me to judge

Ah, but from an ingame perspective I felt it was quite solid.

[CryMeARiver]

CMAR: nice gambit with having Katsuki claim Magneto... It still baffled RBT and I when we could cast rituals after losing what seems to have been 2/5 visible professors.

That was like the one strategy that S_B said I could do that I came up with, but then he randomly told you that you could use rituals when you didn't askso you knew...

[CryMeARiver]

Btw, I had a plan if gandalf was the only one to attack me like he said he would. Id have proved my townieness and imprisoned snake. Then I would have used the dispel magic wand on him and revived him. We would have lynched him and idk, but id get you to attck rbt instead of me or something something

[CryMeARiver]

As far as the game goes, I've put in my two cents worth of how amazing iit is and my minor complaints. As far as suggestions, ill save them in case you don't do a sitmoa3 because I would definitely be interested in modding it if you'd help or play!

[CryMeARiver]

erm no
the point of a setup like this
is night actions can't be truested
and you have to do good durign day
you only didn't lose horribly because I fucked rewq night 1, I swear to god, town was failtastic during day

Meaning scum was goodtastic

[CryMeARiver]

Gandalf: I don't think you would have. You would have been so focused on your quicklynch (by the way, you keep saying that you played badly, that was your demise - you were too focused on your quicklynch) that you would have only thought of Kat/Tasky imo.

@Chess: Well...yeah, but I wasn't obv scum! lol

[CryMeARiver]

No, after I died I looked at the last few posts and I was like "Rewq is definitely scum". But yeah, I probably would have lynched Kats first.

Meh, if not for rewq's twilight post and Katsuki's quickhammer, the sorcerer's would have had a great chance.

[CryMeARiver]

BTW, just in case you ever do continue this series, I have a few role suggestions
The wild mage fake claim would actually be a pretty sweet role, modified of course, and it is an actual DD character (I did my research for my fake claims haha).
Also, a reviver role that has to revive both town and mafia. Or just a 3rd party reviver role rather than a protown 3rd party reviver role (as he'd elongate the game by reviving mafia likely anyway). For that to work there'd have to be some sort of delayed flippage going on haha.

[CryMeARiver]

I actually targeted you with a damage spell that happened to remove you from the game. I thought you could be reviving people at the time.