New York 134: Planet of Hats (Scum Win!)
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I dislike the speed with which the DK wagon has developed, though I happen to know that many of it's key proponents have good reasons for desiring a PL. I wouldn't mind being rid of him, but would prefer scumhunting to rule D1 and for both DK and Jilynne to have the opportunity to prove themselves less useless than they have in the past.
I will confer with my other head before placing a vote.
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@glowball & sanchocolates:
Swag136 wrote:I'll be honest, I've never played with DK, but people don't seem to like him too much. I jumped on a bandwagon. If it really bothers you I'll unvote.
What part of our reaction to this, coupled with the suspicion we'd already expressed, was not clear? My partner, in particular, insists this is tantamount to an outright scum claim. I'm more willing to see newbishness in it, but definitely think it warrants our vote for now.
Reck and Thor also voted for Swag following the above quote...why no questioning of them?
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I'm here.
I'm not especially good at shaking things up (that's a forte of my partner,) but I am pretty good at observing. When I mix it up too much I tend to get tunnel vision and lose perspective. So I've been watching and listening.
Swag lynch is good, DK policy vig or perhaps D2 lynch is worth considering. Parabollocks continues to be subtle scum, Reck is in his Town meta. Thor is as hard to read as ever. Peregrine always seems scummy to me, but no more than usual right now. KoC I scummier than normal, especially the "I don't want to contribute unless there's a threat to me" stance (protip: Town is always under threat. Scum isn't.) Jily is textbook VI, and therefore unreadable.
Those are the ones that stick out to me. Haven't seen my partner at all in a couple days.
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I am the Queen of England.
You going to vote me now too, chkballin? Thor is obvTown and obvjoking.
On a serious note, both my partner and I are experiencing some access issues. Expected in his case, not so in mine. If they don't rectify themselves in due course we will seek to replace out. I'll post my updated reads and comments soon, some time when it is not half past midnight. Tomorrow evening perhaps.
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Taro wrote:Glowball wagon is quite obviously scumdriven.
Too many bandwagon dissolution on day 1 for it to not be excessively suspect.
Swag is scum, Glowball is def town.
I get the same feeling. Probably not the first 1-2 people on glowball, but there's probably scum in where the wagon picked up steam.
Swag remains caught scum. It's probably why he flaked on us. Caught in the first couple of pages + newbie.
Apologies to his replacement, that's a tough slot to fill.
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kryptinen wrote:Thor665 wrote:Now, how about you answer my question - "whooooah, what's up with this CrAzY speed wagon of craaaaaaaaaaaziness!!!1! ....Vote: Speedwagon"
I wanted to know your reasoning, or if you had any.
Ballin has a vote that he needs to explain. Especially when he left it there even after it was made clear you were joking. The best way to get people to pay attention and start answering questions is to vote them. It was also to see if there were any more scumslips or hilarious antics under pressure.
I think it's the best place for my vote to hang out until Swag's replacement says something else but "lol swag was so scummy".
Palisade immediately after that wrote:Hey, Thor. Reck. You down for a Krypt lynch?-
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Reck, at this point it would probable behoove all of us to simply ignore anything that DK posts. He's going to get vig'd tonight. There's no other vig option that even remotely compares. So why not just ignore his punk ass?
Also, I'd like to hear your reasoning for the "Godhammer" comment following our vote on kryptinen.
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We apologize for our continued dearth of activity. Both of us are having limited access troubles, though mine are drawing to a close.
PBuG continues to compound the scumminess of his precessor. Swag's slip is no less valid now than then. I get the sense that Reck and Krew is not Town vs Town. My partner has strong conviction on that pairing, but I am less certain. We will vote for who we both agree is scum.
Vote: PBuG
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xRECKONERx wrote:someone up above wrote:@ Reck Krypt flipped town, are you still aiming for Palisade?
Oh shit I totally forgot about that connection, fuck yes I am, dead scum is dead
Vote: Palisade
Would also lynch SleepyKrew or KoC.
You mind actually explaining this vote? Considering you never explained your "Godhammer" fervor D1, then completely forgot about it until reminded, your conviction looks feigned.-
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I'm rereading the thread. But right now, I'm confident that Celebloki, Ballin, and one to two of {PBuG, KoC, Parabol} (with one more name between {sancho, JDGA, Mist, Zihark, *numbers*, Taro} being scum if only one) is our scumteam. Gimme a sec to figure out which of them it is. (The result is the difference between me sheeping Thor and me demanding people sheep Me. )-
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SleepyKrew wrote:Nice defense.
What defense could we give? We haven't been actually accused of anything. The only thing that's been leveled against us (at all) is Krypt Town = GODHAMMER.
Almond, you explained the Krypt case in some detail to me after you initially suggested it on D1, but I lost the AIM log. Can you explain it to them?
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Know what? I'll sheep Thor.Unvote, Vote: KoC.sanchocolates wrote:Thor665 wrote:Yar. Looking back I think I'm going to;
Vote: Knight of Cydonia
Also, protip - when you're miller you claim miller Day 1. There is so much gak we wouldn't have even had to do if DK had been sitting behind a miller claim like he should have.What's your reason to voting him?
The scumteam has revealed itself!
Thanks, Sancho. You've made this a walk in the park for us. Celebloki, Ballin, Sancho, KoC. They die. Today.-
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Swag136 wrote:Yeah, DK, GTFO.
VOTE: DeityKabuto
Swag136 wrote:I'll be honest, I've never played with DK, but people don't seem to like him too much. I jumped on a bandwagon. If it really bothers you I'll unvote.
^This is all the reason we need to suspect you. Your predecessor made an enormous scumslip, and the fact that you completely dismiss it without acknowledgment compounds it.
Also, I'm not sure why Almond is resisting explanation of our reads, but here's his reasoning on ChkBallin:
Why was Tomie killed?
Tomie was pretty much a nobody, a weak town force not seen.
In other words, if Tomie was killed, the scum were either PR hunting or legitimately afraid of Tomie's reads.
I'm betting on the latter.
Tomie saw Ballin as scum. Tomie was also onto the trail of KoC, possibly Parabol. And definitely Sancho.-
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As of what Redhead posted, That'sof it, but not the whole story.part
KoC: Day two play makes him self-evident as scum. Plus, interactions with the other three scum fit perfectly.
PBuG as Town, not scum (Redhead doesn't know what he's talking about >.<)--his KoC suspicion post, among others. His post right above was town, too.-
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Defense of KoC.CHKBall wrote:THOR, YOU'RE BETTER THAN THIS. ;P (Eighteen)
Defense of KoC.
Scummy response.
Deflects.
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bvoigt wrote:Palisade wrote:BV, pay moar attention.
The PBuG wagon is yesterday's news. It's old stuff. It died a long time ago, and will never be starting up again.
Ever.
PBuG has proved himself to be town. He will NOT be wagoned this game, ever again.
The other wagon besides us isn't PBuG. It's KoC.
OK, why has he proven himself town?
I want an answer to this too. I don't see it, and you aren't communicating in our QT. Stop posting reads without explaining them or at least discussing them with me, asshat.
@Celebloki: It is indeed that we aren't talking. Almond is apparently reading a different game than I am, though I'm starting to agree with him about you, even sans discussion.-
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Mod: We're voting for KoC.
Semi-explained in-thread, semi-explained in-QT. Reasoning is not my strongsuit. I'd rather not waste my time explaining the read when I am NOT very good at elaborating on my reads. They're there. They just are.BV wrote:And what gave you this strong town read?
My partner might do a better job of explaining my town-read than I do, ironically enough. I'm about to do something else, so I can't spend my time trying.
That something being (now with my partner's permission) a Wall explaining why KoC, Celebloki, Sancho, and chkBallin are our scumteam. It probably won't take me more than 48 hours of work, though it depends on how much I slack off.-
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Considering I know there's AT LEAST one more vote interested in lynching us (KoC)--probably more--you guys just earned yourself a claim.
We Are The Vigilante.We shot Krypt last night, duh. (Who else would have?) This is an extremely scum-driven wagon, because Redhead Vig-Slipped when he posted that note from our QT (the one mentioning Tomie being the scum kill).-
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^This was Redhead's Vig-Slip. I gave him quite the chewing out in our QT for this, since the town didn't KNOW for sure that Tomie was the scum kill. We (having killed krypt) did.Palisade wrote:Also, I'm not sure why Almond is resisting explanation of our reads, but here's his reasoning on ChkBallin:
Why was Tomie killed?
Tomie was pretty much a nobody, a weak town force not seen.
In other words, if Tomie was killed, the scum were either PR hunting or legitimately afraid of Tomie's reads.
I'm betting on the latter.
Tomie saw Ballin as scum. Tomie was also onto the trail of KoC, possibly Parabol. And definitely Sancho.-
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We were confident in the Krypt kill, and had been discussing it for N2 after DK. DK got modkilled and that kind of locked us into the next one on the list. For what it's worth, I noticed KoC's vig softclaim on D1, and we discussed it, which put him on our scum list. But it was fairly soft, and we were more into a Krypt kill. But the softclaim combined with his behavior today...he's gotta go.
More later, I've been unexpectedly busy of late.
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Our apologies. We've both been busy with a combination of other games and Marathons. (With a touch of real-life V/LA-ness.)
We're planning on shooting Sancho tonight. (Actually, we were planning on Celebloki, but some people have a town-read on Celebloki for some reason. That leaves chkballin and Sancho as our secondary choices.)
Also, to clarify the timeline of actions:
My partner said there was a softclaim Day One, but I asked "What Softclaim?" and got no answer. We DID discuss it a little, but the post it was in was never mentioned. Then we got hit by mutual V/LA, which kinda killed the momentum.
When I returned, the Krypt suspicion had began, and it distracted me, to the point where I had completely forgotten about the KoC vig softclaim. We both were quite certain of Krypt being scum, confident enough to kill him after DK. When DK got modkilled, he became our # 1 choice.
The claim wasn't mentioned again until Day Two, by my partner. I once more had to ask, "what softclaim?" (actually, "I don't see a softclaim", but close enough), since I couldn't see it.
I later figured it out myself when looking at KoC in ISO, never having gotten my partner to answer. >.<
So, KoC was not in my mind at the time of the kill.
Essentially, KoC was a suspect, in the backburner of our minds, but not actively being discussed until Day Two.-
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As for PBuG: it wasn't a single post by PBuG which convinced me. It was a combination of many, overall painting the picture that PBuG is town. PBuG lacked condemning interactions with all four of our other suspects (KoC, Sancho, Celebloki, chkballin), and in fact has multiple interactions which are favorable.
Interactions with others, overall Motive, paints the picture of being town.-
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Celebloki wrote:Wraith said he quickly googled hats. I believe the NS claim and not just because it clears me. I still think chkballin is the best lynch. Palisade should shoot parabollocks. Votes stating on chkballin.
This reminded me of something I've been meaning to say for a while.
We do not intend to be manipulated.
We will accept advice, opinions, and recommendations. But wedo not trustWe will be making OUR OWN decisions on who to vig, and discussing it amongst ourselves. We will collect, analyze, and distill the evidence against the vig candidates and choose who we think most likely to be scum. We will always, however, provide an explanation of those choices after the fact, and (not speaking for my partner here) I am willing to share who I am currently leaning towards.ANYof you.
Tonight we will be vigging KoC, unless he is lynched. If KoC is lynched, we'll have a tougher choice, but I am personally leaning towards Parabollocks, chkballin and NS on the outside.
Regarding NS, the point has been made that the claim is too ridiculous to be fake...but he KNOWS it won't be cc'd, he was under no pressure to do so, his claimed innocent wasn't actually heading for the gallows in any kind of hurry, and the WIFOM of claiming cop with one already dead is perfect.
Should have claimed Deputy, the kind that receives the original Cop's results when activated. I'd have believed that.
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