Open 322: C9++ [Game Over - Scum Win]

[Kcdaspot]

VOTE: NS
UNVOTE:
VOTE: NS
UNVOTE:
VOTE: zmuffinman

[Kcdaspot]

what you don't like me NS?

[Kcdaspot]

I have a feeling that if i tried to sheep you i wouldn't be able to keep up.

[Kcdaspot]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: projectmatt

cool beans

[Kcdaspot]

unvote

Vote: Big Sleep

I'm sheeping NS?

REHEHEHEHEHEEEEAAAAAALLY?

[Kcdaspot]

oh.

i misread that.

[Kcdaspot]

UNVOTE:

[Kcdaspot]

inb4 PM.

[Kcdaspot]

meh... i'll just

VOTE: zmuffinman

again.

[Kcdaspot]

GO NS
GO NS
GO NS
GO NS

[Kcdaspot]

hmmm....

MOD: Are alignments the same as last time?

I don't buy this yet.

[Kcdaspot]

UNVOTE:

[Kcdaspot]

get votes off right now.

there is no guarantee that he's scum now.

[Kcdaspot]

in other news

VOTE: Joshy boi

when opportunity strikes....

[Kcdaspot]

nope. sorry z.

you are free to vote donjosh thoo.

[Kcdaspot]

VOTE: projectmatt

^serious vote, everyone should sheep it.

Not without some reason.

a donjosh vote is a vote for victory!

[Kcdaspot]

this thread has a amazing lack of Scruffy and a vampire.

[Kcdaspot]

VOTE: projectmatt

^serious vote, everyone should sheep it.

thoo i see what you mean...

[Kcdaspot]

I definitely see what you mean zmuffin...

josh is scummier until further notice thoo.

[Kcdaspot]

OH JOY. TWO SCUM CONFIRMED.

BEST GAME EVER.

[Kcdaspot]

DCJ.

i know you are town.

Rvs is done. we got to scum bussing each other.

pickawagon

[Kcdaspot]

OH JOY. TWO SCUM CONFIRMED.

No.

bus harder.

[Kcdaspot]

AS I SAID

[Kcdaspot]

Anyway since page 1 and 2 are full of complete nonsense, would someone mind filling me in with their version of the game so far?
Aka a brief summary kthxbai.

Well first Nobody Special vote/unvoted every sigle player
Big Sleep flaked

Then kcda OMGUS wagoned

projectmatt sheeped
Thats pretty much it

I love my vote.

voted you AFTER you voted bigsheep.

[sarcasm]oh wow so much OMGUS, yep[/sarcasm]

Kc's unofficial Vote count:

Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 6

bv310

- 1 - Amor - (L-5)

DonJosh

- 3 - don_johnson, projectmatt, Kcdaspot - (L-3)

Kcdaspot

- 1 - Darkcoffeejazz - (L-5)

projectmatt

- 3 - SGRaaize, zMuffinMan, DonJosh - (L-3)

Players not voting: bv310, Honest Abel, Nobody Special

[Kcdaspot]

...

i'm close to retracting my scum read on projectmatt

[Kcdaspot]

lurk and a quick wagon vote on donjosh is why i'm suspicious of you.

recent posts have been townie...

not... there... yet...

opinions on NS and DCJ

[Kcdaspot]

..lurking.

I believe I had posted the same amount as you had in the first page, KDCA. Then I went offline and came back. Are you referring to active lurking?

Also, "quick wagon vote" is not a valid excuse to suspect when there is a valid reason for quick voting.

I don't have any magical reads on either of the two yet. Though, like I said, if DonJosh flips scum, DCJ is probably town. I will explain if it turns out true.

I still have my eye on you.

el wrong-o

it was during late 2nd page early third when the red flag on you came up.

thoughts on NS?

[Kcdaspot]

also yur vote on donjosh was still hella scummy brah.

[Kcdaspot]

STILL loving my vote.

[Kcdaspot]

good deal of nulls, yeah sure early game but you've STILL have done nothing to prove your townieness.

[Kcdaspot]

@ Projectmatt: both town.

[Kcdaspot]

so like this is what I have:

town:

kcda
NS
jazz
donjosh

scum:

projectmatt

--

Why is projectmatt scum?

Tried way too hard to 'fit in' and be like NS/kcda on p1. Typical of scum trying to fit in with town. <- that was the initial reasoning for my vote
Subsequent posts from him don't make me feel any better about his alignment. Weak case on DonJosh, who's like Easy Target A, seems like he's trying way too hard to justify his vote and, well, DonJosh isn't even playing like scum, IMO.
The dichotomy between jazz and donjosh that projectmatt created is also worthy of note. It's a cop-out thing to say, because he's not entitled to back it up if DonJosh is town.

ummmm... so why is donjosh town?

[Kcdaspot]

DCJ is town. confirmed.

[Kcdaspot]

It appears that I forgot about this game immediately after opening the PM saying it was open. -_-

...

possible second scum detected.

[Kcdaspot]

Yes this means that Projectmatt is null/town

[Kcdaspot]

oh wait... hang on...

[Kcdaspot]

I'm just posting to avoid a possible prod, will read this thread eventually

too many people being scummy

[Kcdaspot]

I agree to the points about Projectmatt thoo my gut says he's just not that scummy...

Donjosh is the lynch.

[Kcdaspot]

question one: I'm game for a L-1 claim.

question two: same reason you are. why is that? :goodposting:

[Kcdaspot]

Amor is mixed up on a newb town I THINK. it's yet to be seen really.
Bv needs to post moar like NOW.
and DO NOT GIVE ME THAT SHIT SGR.

Too much has happened for for you not having a opinion.
That is a lame excuse to lurk. Quick thoughts PLEASE.

[Kcdaspot]

Amor is mixed up on a newb town I

THOUGHT

.

anyone else get stupid weird vibes from Projectmatt - Honest Abel convo?

[Kcdaspot]

all right...

donjosh isn't scum.

UNVOTE:

[Kcdaspot]

VOTE: projectmatt

L-1

claim. now.

[Kcdaspot]

I SEE YOU SCRUFFY

[Kcdaspot]

Abel flashing some e-peen now.

[Kcdaspot]

because every vote MUST have a reason right?

no vote may be based on gut right?

IT MUST VE DIS WAY.

[Kcdaspot]

yawn.

if bv plays the prod dodge he's scum.

and well have our scum team.

Projectmatt.
Honest abel
Bv.

thoo bv's slot could be replaced by SGR.

[Kcdaspot]

annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd why?


NS.

as stated DCJ is town. he will not be lynched. nonnegotiable.

[Kcdaspot]

annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd why?


NS.

as stated DCJ is town. he will not be lynched. nonnegotiable.

I want to ask you something, but I'll refrain for now. I bet you can guess what it is, though.

"why is DCJ town?"

[Kcdaspot]

I've been meaning to ask that myself, actually.

At least, your reasoning for it.

this.

you are legit scumhunting and :goodposting:

[Kcdaspot]

Not to play Devil's Advocate, but I can't say I've been scumhunting all that hard.

TBH it's more of the :goodposting: than scumhunting

Scum don't question town reads.

[Kcdaspot]

Apathetic = does not care.

*looks over Donjosh posts*

NOPE.

[Kcdaspot]

cool at least you are trying thoo.

keep going. maybe your scumminess will disappear in a cloud of smoke.

[Kcdaspot]

RALLY missing the godot avi.

[Kcdaspot]

NS is a lesser town read of mine.

BUT ONCE EVERYONE GETS A DECENT POST I CAN OFFICAILLY SAY WHATS WHAT.
(SGR, bv Get the fuck in here)

I can only play Quicknotes reads right now.

and right now? NS be town.

[Kcdaspot]

NS: for comforts sake PLEASE make with some quick reads.

[Kcdaspot]

also DCJ: <3

[Kcdaspot]

NS: for comforts sake PLEASE make with some quick reads.

[Kcdaspot]

3 of those 5 work. 2 and 4 seem odd.

[Kcdaspot]

2 is a scumtell that I do a ton of my reads on, and nobody else seems to even notice it exists.

Maybe it's not substantial enough to be widely considered a scumtell.

This confirmed to me that you two are not scum together.

and... this wall WAS coherent....

hmmzors...

UNVOTE:

[Kcdaspot]

your last few posts have been town-ish too...

[Kcdaspot]

Silly DCJ.

You don't know about the moonbeams.

[Kcdaspot]

.......... this late in the game? really?

[Kcdaspot]

EBWOP.

Late in yes we may joke. but stuff like that especially right there sux hella bad yo. town read took a hit.. bit you're still town.

[Kcdaspot]

let me know if this is a good thing to consider or not.

....... yeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaahhhhh.

my scum list is looking better.

[Kcdaspot]

>bv posts elsewhere.
>not here.

Gents. I have a proposition.

VOTE: Bv

get him to L-1

[Kcdaspot]

projectmatt solidified himself in a grey zone with me.

Abe is still scum.

Vote the lurkerscum and force him contribute for the glory of Sparta.

[Kcdaspot]

Another terrible post from Honest Abel just from a quick scanning is "You know this is my second game, right?". Hey, this is my third game. It's not an excuse to be play terribly and make no logical sense whatsoever.

I wasn't using it as an excuse to play terrible and make no logical sense. I'm playing beautifully and making lots of logical sense. The comment had more to do with someone calling me scummy for asking for advice/thoughts on a tell.

Yeah i think i look good when i look in a mirror too.

Does that mean everyone else will think i look good? NO IT DOES NOT.

[Kcdaspot]

You want to let lurkers slide on through in this game? Be my guest.

JSYK: You were warned.

[Kcdaspot]

I'm playing beautifully and making lots of logical sense.

I've thought about the ways I could respond to this and every single one makes me come off as a giant douchebag

Or you can let the actual douchebag respond.

[Kcdaspot]

lurking isn't a scumtell

your choice.

[Kcdaspot]

Town can't win if there are people not contributing.

[Kcdaspot]

NS: vote BV


Abe... you just lost your right to post.

[Kcdaspot]

Town can't win if there are people not contributing.

Been saying this for a while. Are you acting superior or just sheeping me? Remains to be seen.

Don't make get on your wagon buddy. cuz once I do I will fate-tunnel you.

You will not like me then.

[Kcdaspot]

Good now stand in the corner like a good boy and let the grown-ups argue.

When you are needed you will be called on.

[Kcdaspot]

projectmatt... beware the AtE, like godot sez

[Kcdaspot]

.............. ninjas....

[Kcdaspot]

Why isn't NS's vote on someone?

abel

is

was town, btw.

why?

[Kcdaspot]

why?

That wasn't scum replacing out.

so thats a gut town read?

[Kcdaspot]

Meh, abel started out on the wrong foot regardless. I agree that him replacing out is null.

I can't see town posting like he has... maybe i've developed "noob goggles" where you don't consider the experience of a person.

[Kcdaspot]

..... has DCJ been riding my thunder?

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaiiiit a minute.

[Kcdaspot]

I've read over DCJ's Iso.

It IS in fact alot a fluff when you boil it down. but when he pointed out his own scumminess all of it dissipated.

DCJ... can you post content now? lets see your thinking, whos really scum and why?

[Kcdaspot]

srsly now that i look at his Iso it looks like scumposting but i can't get over the fact that he points himself out...

[Kcdaspot]

you can never overthink by too much in mafia.... especially in a open.

[Kcdaspot]

content plz thank you.

[Kcdaspot]

Wait... you have 2 mafia and the rest is town?

we have 3 scum among us.

[Kcdaspot]

..... you are missing three.

prolly the guys who have not posted.

[Kcdaspot]

:\ ... still bugs me.

[Kcdaspot]

I called josh town didn't I...

hmmmmm...

you know what i may be completely wrong, and i'll have to come to terms with that.

oh and SGR.. i thought for once...

you think there is scum in the lurkers as well.

hmm... let me sit on this.

UNVOTE:

[Kcdaspot]

ooo boy here we go...

i think its established that either PM or Josh is scum.

amor... why?

[Kcdaspot]

.... i read the setup as 3 scum:

3 maf or 2 maf one SK.

[Kcdaspot]

???????????????????

hang on...

I may just be a idiot now.

[Kcdaspot]

i'm a idiot...

hmm i know now why i discounted it...

7 ts in a row, odds of getting one t is 1:2

1:128 chance of getting all Ts... i'm not buying that there are just 2 scum straight off.

[Kcdaspot]

Nah.

I think you're scum.

you know what i think you were saving that read from earlier too...

i know i'm not scum from A post in 13-14 page game.

[Kcdaspot]

if anything... i think me flip flopping on PM and donjosh is the basis. correct?

[Kcdaspot]

NS... you just became scummy as fuck.


VOTE: NS

I'm sorry i can't let that go.

[Kcdaspot]

OH WOW...

HOLY HELL...

Nice catch

Thanks.

That's why I love this setup.

P-Edit: Muffy, honey, you are simply wrong (this early in the game, at least).

Muffy -- Damn. You're right.

Kcda, but now you have to work harder to be town. Works for me!

What's wrong here folks?


He "loves this setup".

AND HE FORGETS THE MAIN MECHANIC OF IT? Well maybe not completely forget but....

WOW.

[Kcdaspot]

... I admit... PM or Donjosh didn't well me up with excitement like Big sleep did.

BUT THIS DOES.

[Kcdaspot]

Apparently you're seeing something I'm not then.

JESUS FUCK MAN


ISO HIM

WHAT HAS HE DONE?

instruct a newb
ask questions
demand VCs.
and called someone scum beyond a reasonable doubt TWICE. BOTH WITH VERY FLAWED REASONING, THAT WAS EASILY DISPROVEN WITHIN MOMENTS.

[Kcdaspot]

YEEEEE HAAAAAA

I'M FIRED UP NOW.

[Kcdaspot]

You're mental, that's what

you

are.

BEST REBUTTAL EVER OHMYGOD YOU ARE DEFINITELY NOT SCUMS NOWS

[Kcdaspot]

MOONBEAMS MOTHERFUCKS.

I CAUGHT ONE.

[Kcdaspot]

f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5

DCJ tell me you see it, please oh

god

SOMEONEINCREDIBLYAWESOME please, see it.

[Kcdaspot]

ffs

thinkaboutit.

Vote: Big Sleep

Not random.

'Sheeping' generally means following someone else's vote with little or no reasoning of your own.

Anyway since page 1 and 2 are full of complete nonsense, would someone mind filling me in with their version of the game so far?
Aka a brief summary kthxbai.

People posted, people voted.

RTFT.

antitown much?

How in the hell do I have the SECOND-HIGHEST number of posts in the thread and be LURKING?

That's it, my mind has just been BLOWN.

To SMITHEREENS.

But if you guys knew that a reroll happened, why jump on Big Sleep for switching out?

Because I forgot.

Also I may be a bit slower than the rest of you, but I'm not seeing where yer all getting your reads from.
But then it takes me 10 or 20 pages to actually get to the meat of a game on Day 1, as far as MafiaScum games go.

So who knows.

Don't feel bad. I usually don't get anything of substance until Day 2.

DarkCoffeeMochaJazz, can I call you MochaBlues?

in posting order, the four posts were taken at random:
Fluff
Bullshit
BIG O PILE OF BULLSHIT
Big fluff.

ACTIVE LURKING AT IT'S FINEST.

[Kcdaspot]

hmm saw NS just now down there vvv

where did he go?

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

[Kcdaspot]

Can I have whatever it is you're smoking?

OH HAI.

nothing to say?

at all?

c'mon NS, I wanna play.

skool me in your scum ways.

[Kcdaspot]

doesn't wanna play with me... how sad...

lynch him pl0x

[Kcdaspot]

WHY???

DCJ do you want to play a game of mafia?

if so then are you willing to look at what other people say?

scrutinize it?

Get some truth from it?

maybe someone is going crazy in thread, maybe it's not THAT he's going crazy it's what he's going crazy about?

maybe that need investigating... maybe you should see what the hubbub is all about, process it and give a honest word on if that player is right or wrong instead of posting uselessness.

HMMMM?

[Kcdaspot]

Or are you just wanting to post stupid shit?

CUZ WE HAVE A FORUM FOR THAT.

NOW. NS IS SCUM, I SAID MY CASE. LOOK OVER HIS ISO CAREFULLY

IS HE SCUM Y/N? WHY?

[Kcdaspot]

okay...

okay... i'm sorry... I don't know how sincere it will look as text on a page but i can't console you religion or how you practice or respect it right now. I've just had a "ohshitEUREKA" moment.

I have adrenaline pumping through my veins.

TL;DR this is game, on the internet. yes i know I am another person ON the internet. but it's the internet, if you take most of what you see here with value, if you take every word this 22 year old, living with his mother, virgin with emotional stock, you are doing it wrong.

words are as sharp as knives ONLY if you allow them to.

If i do something similar outside this setting, PM me we'll talk and work it out. but I'm a highly competitive person playing a game here. What I say or do is not totally and equivalently vindictive of the kind of person i am outside this setting.

That's my speil, that probably as good of a apology as i can make right now.

i'm sorry

now please, let's lynch scum.

[Kcdaspot]

That Tl;dr is SOOOO in the wrong place.

[Kcdaspot]

okay soo....

apology accepted?

[Kcdaspot]

OH WOW...

HOLY HELL...

Nice catch

Thanks.

That's why I love this setup.

P-Edit: Muffy, honey, you are simply wrong (this early in the game, at least).

Muffy -- Damn. You're right.

Kcda, but now you have to work harder to be town. Works for me!

What's wrong here folks?


He "loves this setup".

AND HE FORGETS THE MAIN MECHANIC OF IT? Well maybe not completely forget but....

WOW.

ffs

thinkaboutit.

Vote: Big Sleep

Not random.

'Sheeping' generally means following someone else's vote with little or no reasoning of your own.

Anyway since page 1 and 2 are full of complete nonsense, would someone mind filling me in with their version of the game so far?
Aka a brief summary kthxbai.

People posted, people voted.

RTFT.

antitown much?

How in the hell do I have the SECOND-HIGHEST number of posts in the thread and be LURKING?

That's it, my mind has just been BLOWN.

To SMITHEREENS.

But if you guys knew that a reroll happened, why jump on Big Sleep for switching out?

Because I forgot.

Also I may be a bit slower than the rest of you, but I'm not seeing where yer all getting your reads from.
But then it takes me 10 or 20 pages to actually get to the meat of a game on Day 1, as far as MafiaScum games go.

So who knows.

Don't feel bad. I usually don't get anything of substance until Day 2.

DarkCoffeeMochaJazz, can I call you MochaBlues?

in posting order, the four posts were taken at random:
Fluff
Bullshit
BIG O PILE OF BULLSHIT
Big fluff.

ACTIVE LURKING AT IT'S FINEST.

srsly read his iso.

find where he activly contributes to the game.. no find something UNEQUIVOCALLY town in there.

you won't

don't let this guy coast. I've put pressure on him and he's just dismissed me outright calling me high.

PLEASE DON'T LET THIS FLY

Fixed tags

[Kcdaspot]

mod: the above post needs to be fixed.

[Kcdaspot]

and that one too...

[Kcdaspot]

ugh..

please everyone take a good close look at NS please?

i am now exhausted and need to sleep.

hopefully by tomorrow afternoon there will be EITHER a healthy wagon or a pretty damned good reason that he is town.

[Kcdaspot]

why is donjosh still alive?

kc: ns is one of those characters that always reads as scum to me. best course of action is to wait until day 2. if he doesn't kick it up a notch then you bring the pressure. right now, its painfully obvious that josh is scum. seriously, why does he have to wait for you to be sober before placing a vote?

...I don't like it still...

okay you know what? DJ. Will you promise me that you'll lynch NS tomorrow if and when he starts hitting the red flags?

if you do I'll vote Donjosh

[Kcdaspot]

Thank you.

VOTE: donjosh

[Kcdaspot]

SGR isn't in this game...

[Kcdaspot]

NOT SGR... BIG SLEEP...

he's not in this game...

[Kcdaspot]

VOTE: bv

This is pressure vote.

can't wait for NS's uberpost of alleged town awesome (as advertised by Don John)

[Kcdaspot]

miller do not show as maf on death

they only show as maf it cops...

check the mafiascum wiki.

[Kcdaspot]

Oh, FFS -- the day JUST STARTED.

I'm SO not a morning person.

VOTE: NS

I'm not having this today.

[Kcdaspot]

I'd rather not check the wiki.

Not my fault that Miller doesn't work the same way here as it does on EpicMafia though.

over defensive much?

Just saying, it's important to know how some roles work here.

[Kcdaspot]

2. All votes must be made in the following format: Vote: Gman. Unvotes are not required, although try to use them as they make things easier for the mod!

Don't have to.

also,

I'd rather not check the wiki.

Not my fault

that Miller doesn't work the same way here as it does on EpicMafia though.

"Don't blame me for wxyzblahblah"

that's how it looked. i was just pointing it out brah.

[Kcdaspot]

I'd rather not check the wiki.

Not my fault that Miller doesn't work the same way here as it does on EpicMafia though.

What the holy fuck.

No, seriously.

What. The. Fuck.

Vote: Darkcoffeejazz

hey.

he pinged my radar too but his D1 is better.

convince me.

[Kcdaspot]

... that's your reason?

GO READ D1.

DCJ is town. anti-town, but town.

[Kcdaspot]

Don john: wagon is a go.

[Kcdaspot]

It's not my fault you're an idiot, and can't be arsed to play the game you're actually playing instead of a game on some other forum that -- I hate to break it to you --

you aren't playing on.

I see no content of value here NS.

MAKE A CASE.

[Kcdaspot]

Woah, Darkcoffeejazz, you have played in EpicMafia for two years? What's your name over there

same thing i believe.

Vote NS please.

[Kcdaspot]

that's not a vote for NS either.

[Kcdaspot]

we are gonna be waiting quite a while then.

[Kcdaspot]

^^^ town, gentleman, and a scholar

[Kcdaspot]

.... abel vote ns.

[Kcdaspot]

What kind of fluff, holier-than-thou nonsense post is that?

Question for Kcd: why is DCJ town? I know you've said "look at his Day 1," but could you at least provide me a context in which to look at his posts? I don't quite agree with the town assessment for a couple reasons. I want to be able to see what you see so I can decide for myself.

I know i said this somewhere but:

scum don't point out their own scumminess. That asks for attention.

reading over... i'm kind of sad you decided to stay..

[Kcdaspot]

well? what's good about his read on you?

defend him, why is he town?

[Kcdaspot]

Also, have you considered that his questioning of your town read on him and the two times he's tried to alienate you with somewhat derisive posts are due to the fact that you're basically molesting him with affection?

abel... dont put you in the corner again.

do not question moonbeams. in time you will understand.

[Kcdaspot]

shorthand reads evolved... my definition anyway.\

It's a type of logic that useally goes unquestioned especially when the player in question wiff the moonbeam logic looks town.

I saw a small towntell early (that i won't reveal for secret meta awesomesause sake) that become a huge towntell when he questioned his town read.

it's literally reading between the lines. if you can't do it yet someone who you have a town read on can, it's good idea to to look where he's looking. see if you can't get a glimpse of he sees. if you see SOMETHING along those lines the moonbeamer is prolly on the right track...

that's really the best i can explain it. you just have to find that sort of play elsewhere that is correct and deduce why it's correct.

[Kcdaspot]

tl;dr?

towntell logik 401

[Kcdaspot]

Joined : January 05, 2010...

>newb

... i don't wanna wagon switch... MUST RESIST

[Kcdaspot]

srsly DCJ vote NS.

[Kcdaspot]

If anyone else can explain to me why I shouldn't question Kcd's read of DCJ, please do so. I also reserve the right not to agree with it even if I begin to understand it. Otherwise, Kcd, I'm going to have to request again an explanation of why you are molesting DCJ by pairing bottomless town reads with strange affection and sheltering him from suspicion.

eeh scum cant see or fake moonbeams.

you posts have just been "i don't understand."

you can't lurk? nope cuz you are WAY too busy defending yourself with lengthy posts.

yeah... VOTE COUNT PLZ

PEDIT: if you don't get it know you never will.

you are sooo hanging this game.

[Kcdaspot]

I'm going to bed in about 30 minutes. Not V\LA yet. :3

HEY, KDCA, should I put a vote on Nobody Special before I leave? I'm not fully convinced yet. I want to give him time to "re-group" before I call him scum, but dammit, it's tempting to stop waiting and give in to my gut.

....

vote NS. Now.

This was not and is not a drill.

[Kcdaspot]

Kcd, my posts conversing with

you

have been "I don't understand" because you haven't mastered the art of the fucking comma. Maybe the reason you are reluctant to explain anything is because when you try, it turns out like #487. The way you are being so condescending and evasive is just fucking nonsense. I do not like that I am being misled and, in fact, mistreated by people I have town reads on. This is not a fun game nor a learning experience. This is a blood pressurizer.

Kcd, why don't you discuss NS or SGR with me? You are talking to me like I don't belong in this game because I'm inexperienced. I do not appreciate being talked down to.

Sorry for the attitude here, but I'm getting fed up again.

...

you wanna prove yourself. TAKE YOUR EGOTISTIC FMPOV AtE BS OUT OF YOUR POSTS.

good post: "I think W is scum/town cuase this post/xyz."
bad post: "THIS GUY IS SCUM CUZ HE HURT MAH FEELINGS AND I DON'T LIKE THAT."

you are doing NOTHING but the latter.

I'm sad that you didn't replace out, because as you are right now as a mafia player, unless someone else takes that slot, IT WILL NEVER BE OF USE.

You'll change.. i know you will and it will be for the better.

but it won't happen in this game.

lurk some games, play a couple of more newb games. You are in over your head kid.

PEDIT: AtE AGAIN. "HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IF I BLAHBLAHBLAH"

THAT.
IS.
NOT.
CONTENT.

That's YOU. whining!

[Kcdaspot]

Sorry KCD, but my vote isn't going to change. Not yet at least.

why?

[Kcdaspot]

Abel's slot COULD become useful.

NS is confscum.

...
..
..

VOTE: abel

fuck off.

[Kcdaspot]

you were never pro town. stay you ass in the newb queue and just go away.

[Kcdaspot]

mmkay when you wake up quiz me something:

I only heard about this setup two days ago, and it seemed interesting to me. So I joined when I stumbled upon the replacement request.

It keeps evading me that the game only started yesterday (?), so sorry for asking for a prod and calling out lurkers. However, I think it's unwise to lynch before everyone has gotten a chance to contribute to the thread in some way. We do have four weeks per Day. I just read another C9++ game that was over in 9 pages, which is ridiculous, so maybe that's just how you guys play.

What's convenient about agreeing with wagons? Both players have exhibited scummy behavior, and are actually the only people I think have done so thus far in the thread. projectmatt much moreso than DonJosh, but still.

I could have shown up late as I did and disagreed with both wagons, sure, but the events of the thread would lead anyone to vote on one wagon or the other. I would have joined the projectmatt wagon if not for the fact that there are some non-contributors hanging out.

----

These are fair enough explanations, although it does make it seem like you're not paying enough attention.

I joined in late assuming that the game had been going for a while, but it had only just started.

Wait, seriously? You're saying that it's not convenient and safe to head into a thread and say "I agree with what everyone else said" instead of coming up with an original thought or examining one of the other nine players in the game? And the whole "anyone else would do this" bit is both false and a cop-out.

I believe I brought up different reasons why I thought projectmatt and DonJosh were acting scummy. Please read my initial post again in the context of what had already been said and you will see this. I didn't agree with everyone else. I acknowledged that the vote count aligned with my reads. projectmatt answered my questions about the particular reasons I found him scummy, and both answers seem relatively reasonable.

Overall Abel's posts really strike me as trying too hard to be town. He tried to set himself up as the ur-townie when he came into the thread being all "you guys need to post bettar" and then posted a ton of irrelevant set-up stuff.

People usually think I'm scummy early on for posting a lot and trying to get things serious quickly. However, I am here because I like playing a thoughtful game.

The early spammy posts from everyone who was posting were not helpful. I pointed this out and tried to take the thread in a more serious direction. I'm sorry you don't think my questions about posts #33-#41 were helpful,

but I admitted that it was my personal confusion that led me to ask about them, and I did think it could help me get a better read on NS, DonJosh and Kcd knowing what they were referring to.

Now that your motives are a little clearer, I'm prepared to ascribe a temporary town read to you.

This is so qualified as to be completely meaningless. Is there any doubt that you would or could go back on being "prepared to ascribe a temporary town read" if necessary? Calling the read "temporary" is just adding in an escape clause for if the wind starts blowing in a different direction.

It is meaningless. Proclaiming town reads always are. Which is why there was nothing to my statement.

The point of me calling the read "temporary" is that I'm prepared to move on to pressuring/questioning someone else in the interest of putting the focus on more than a single person in Day 1. Once what I think is a fair amount of discussion/contribution has occurred, I'll take into account what has happened in the Day and decide to vote.

Most of the focus has been on projectmatt so far;

I'm not unused to the focus being on

me

in Day 1 — it usually is because I post a lot and I try to get the most people interacting in the thread, which draws a lot of attention.

Maybe it sounds like I'm trying to tell people what to do too much and that I think I'm the shit, but I'd like to point out that I am quite humble about my scumhunting abilities and that I'm not often very accurate in my suspicions.

Two post of yours quoted above, tell me WHAT PROTOWN REASON IS THERE FOR STATING THE BOLDED? None. it's fluff and AtE. and lets not forget THESE gems:

You realize this is my second game on this site, right?

Yeah i think i look good when i look in a mirror too.

Not as good as me.

Town can't win if there are people not contributing.

Been saying this for a while. Are you acting superior or just sheeping me? Remains to be seen.

Good now stand in the corner like a good boy and let the grown-ups argue.

When you are needed you will be called on.

Sounds good.

the second and 4th ones where good chances to prove yourself town but nope. you don't wanna take a risk you want to be in the backgroud posting walls of useless long shit.

Die.

[Kcdaspot]

you know i actually CAN be nice out of game.

i can't be nice in it.

[Kcdaspot]

KCD, that's some good substance you added in those posts. Though I kinda called the AtE thing... I think.
Whatever.

DCJ I know you're town but you arn't helpin a whole lot with that kind of post.

I know you got something in that bag of yours to help the Able case. c'mon already.

[Kcdaspot]

I barely have to respond to that wall..

Quote striping is never pro-town and that's why.

You could have just left in the first two and just said I'm sorry about the rest but no you want me to read through something that

I didn't have to read

that alone closes the coffin.

BUUUUUT lets do the rest for Funsies.

This post is all about me and only because Kcd asked me to do it. I don't know if this is going to be useful to read for anyone other than him, but it is more about my gameplay than it is about helping the town. Just a warning.

It keeps evading me that the game only started yesterday (?), so sorry for asking for a prod and calling out lurkers. However, I think it's unwise to lynch before everyone has gotten a chance to contribute to the thread in some way. We do have four weeks per Day. I just read another C9++ game that was over in 9 pages, which is ridiculous, so maybe that's just how you guys play.

Nothing protown about first sentence, fluff/extraneous. I firmly believe the second sentence, tell me if you disagree and why. Third and fourth go along with second as they explain why there's no reason to move the game so fast that non-posting slots should be able to cruise through to Day 3, which is probably going to happen with bv310 at this rate.

Oh hey cool scum be trying.

the second sentence is just Info w/o analysis. this doesnt tell me jack shit.
The finger pointed at bv is obvious to throw someone off, and he's being prodded too. irrelevant point is irrevelant...

I could have shown up late as I did and disagreed with both wagons, sure, but the events of the thread would lead anyone to vote on one wagon or the other. I would have joined the projectmatt wagon if not for the fact that there are some non-contributors hanging out.

This is answering someone's suspicion

that I chose matt and Josh merely because they had wagons on them already.

I can't imagine how answering people's decent questions could ever not be pro-town. In the same vein, you could say that any post where I defended my actions to someone isn't pro-town, which I still disagree with. I would hope that any pro-town would be prepared to go to any length to make themselves clear on reasoning if asked. It's as simple as cooperation. And I realize I'm not placating anyone merely by defending myself, but it's a discussion and I'm going to discuss things that involve me. Seems like a no-brainer.

Bolded: hahhahahaha. that be funny. you point fingers at bv now you trying to push something and josh, who's dead and PM, who's PoE town.

The rest is like the reason why most of your post is cut. It does nothing to help your case.

You realize this is my second game on this site, right?

Yeah i think i look good when i look in a mirror too.

Not as good as me.

Town can't win if there are people not contributing.

Been saying this for a while. Are you acting superior or just sheeping me? Remains to be seen.

Good now stand in the corner like a good boy and let the grown-ups argue.

When you are needed you will be called on.

Sounds good.

the second and 4th ones where good chances to prove yourself town but nope. you don't wanna take a risk you want to be in the backgroud posting walls of useless long shit.

I don't know how I could have proven myself town with 2 or 4; 1 was disbelief that you were talking down to me and I was dejected after having my questions disregarded, and 3 is an irrelevant stab because I didn't feel like talking very much and indeed asked to be replaced not too long after.

the 2nd and 4th. Did you try to fight me? did you try to bring something new? no to both. YOU GAVE UP. notha nail

3 you call me out for prob sheeping... a BALLSY move to try and force more town cred

Now, I have made other posts about other people. If you will read them and start discussing with me, I'd appreciate it. SGR, please.

SGR is leaning town thoo he's about as helpful as you or NS.

good to have 2 confscum

as i said gents it's a pickawagon day. one of NA and Abel has to die.

[Kcdaspot]

you want to be in the backgroud posting walls of useless long shit.

Can I ask what it is about my pressure on other players that is so useless? Is it because I'm not saying "I have this secret read that I can't tell anyone, but these dudes are definitely scum" before my posts? And the fact that you see me as being in the background, despite me trying to keep this game alive and looking into players nobody else seems to give a fuck about looking into, is retarded if only because it's skewed so subjectively that it makes me certain you are town.

You are really just not going to cooperate. This is a team game to you only so far as we are the team and you are our coach, yeah? Dealing with you has been a huge waste of time.

as said you bring nothing to the table. the rest of your posts are one-liners. your "pressure" means NOTHING w/o good points.

secret town tell is good. it's useful just in case you face them as scum later in the game or in another game entirely. if it's blatantly known it becomes less reliable. but i think it's good still.


LOLOL to the last. are you calling me a VI? if you want a real analogy we are ALL coaches shouting at each other. just some more than others.

[Kcdaspot]

... Amor can we lynch him? Please please please?

[Kcdaspot]

I'd rather not check the wiki.

Not my fault that Miller doesn't work the same way here as it does on EpicMafia though.

What the holy fuck.

No, seriously.

What. The. Fuck.

Vote: Darkcoffeejazz

This...

He plays up D2 awesome only to deliver this.

He hasn't read the thread. he hasn't shown to read the thread. The last three of his posts?

Catchup promises. No. not when you slid by D1. he Can't be allowed to slide by today.

Abel is being voted because STILL for the life of him he can not say anything not scummy. EVEN AFTER I POINTED HIS STYLE OUT TO HIM. he hasan't changed and he won't change.

Useless slot is useless Quoth the DCJ.

If i cannot have a NS lynch I will have a abel lynch and vice versa.

Nothing else. no substitutions.

[Kcdaspot]

You're too emotional to play Mafia.

(Like I'm one to talk.)

I don't have a lot of reads; see my post about not really getting going until Day 2.

I'm waiting, essentially, for the newness of the game to wear off so we can get to some real discussion. I'm really not much use Day One. I'm better after.

well?

[Kcdaspot]

yeah keep lurking...

[Kcdaspot]

it's takes NS a month to read a 22 page game.

it takes me 2 hours to read a 36 page game. (ongoing last mention of this i swear)

ooooooooooooooookay

[Kcdaspot]

OH YES YOU DID.

YOU REALLY AREN'T READING THE THREAD AREN'T YOU

[Kcdaspot]

DCJ has a subtle tell that makes hmm a prime town though it's weakening with his useless posting...

for you? 553.

that;s why your scum.

abel gets off my top scum read list.

VOTE: NS

[Kcdaspot]

thats still not reading.

[Kcdaspot]

.... i read the setup as 3 scum:

3 maf or 2 maf one SK.

???????????????????

hang on...

I may just be a idiot now.

Seems pretty belieavable

i go on to point out that the odds are 128:1 for that happening.

we have 3 scum among us. i am going to assume this no matter what.

[Kcdaspot]

or i can just read the wiki do it in my head.

theres that.

[Kcdaspot]

Surprise, shock, embarrassment, whatever you want to call it when you realize your dick has been flopping in the wind through your zipper all day.

so i take it you like what you see?

[Kcdaspot]

SGR i have to agree with you despite everything but it's only slight.

[Kcdaspot]

Yeah, I am really thinking Honest Abel is Town here, if I'm wrong, I'm gonna murder myself

SGR i have to agree with you despite everything but it's only slight.

Um... care to explain?

Why does AH continue to draw attention even after i pointed it out?

that's not scum motivated.

[Kcdaspot]

DCJ:

I'm now not liking my town read on you...

we have 24 pages of content, and virtually about as much from you as we got from NS.

please give me analysis, content, something, anything?

[Kcdaspot]

I don't see anything really that new to comment on.

have you commented on anything?

[Kcdaspot]

okay that's a load of bullshit

just because a active, loud, and obnoxious poster has a say on it doesn't automatically exclude you from having a opinion.

that town read startin' to fly south for the winter.

[Kcdaspot]

VOTE: DCJ

NOW it's your problem

[Kcdaspot]

so defend it then.

[Kcdaspot]

TBH i'm actually rooting for you to prove me wrong.

[Kcdaspot]

TBH i'm actually rooting for you to prove me wrong.

[Kcdaspot]

this is the correct wagon.

[Kcdaspot]

Abel:

I admit it. You have caught DCJ scum.

I see it now.

I'm sorry that I called you names and tried to wagon you.

you really need to let go of the lol-over-explain-everything-ego.

Lynch Vote DCJ. now.

[Kcdaspot]

First...
then..

super cool reading brah.

This doesn't read as a bus...

Damn did you spawn off of NS or something brah?

Active lurk confirmed.

oh look a wall of fluff

Well if you intend to active lurk go ahead.

Definate scum post number one FOUND

That post solidified your intent to not do shit.

The town post.

you have been using my town read on you as cover and i am not allowing it any further.

Shit should have been caught/stopped right here.

you know how I have fun? catching scum.

Now THIS is a bus.

You know i really don't think I'll find something as good as I've seen.

You have done NOTHING but fluff your way through. And opportunistic on any wagon you can find..

You did well to sheep me. Not well enough.
Vote this fool

[Kcdaspot]

There are a few things wrong with your "case", btw.

I never bus my partners on Day 1.
Fluff posts are a null read on me. Since I make them as mafia and town alike.
If something is too good to be true, it almost always is.

Meta (which you have very little of)
Sure but when they are 98% of your posts it's no long a null read.
this serves nothing for your defense.

super cool defense Brah.

[Kcdaspot]

oh... oh... NOW you're fuckin with me.

Results. Now.

[Kcdaspot]

WHY WOULD YOU INVESTIGATE CONFTOWN?

WHY?

JOHNSON WAS CONF TOWN.

[Kcdaspot]

No.

No.

No.

Way too scummy... Why did you claim? you weren't at L-1.

Why did you investigate conftown?

HE DIED last night.

no.
nononononono.

It's a bluff. I can't accept this. Not one bit.

you REALLY could have softclaimed earlier. You could've. why did you crack under me?

No.

You're scum.

100%

It's a bluff.

lynch him. now.


Pedit:
I'm not. i'm not ccing.

You've been WAY too taunty. Way too scummy.

You.
Are.
Not.
A.
Town.
PR.

I'm not having it. No sir.

[Kcdaspot]

oh.. DJ is not dead.

[Kcdaspot]

He was still WAAAY more town than you...

I JUST CAN'T ACCEPT IT.

[Kcdaspot]

L MINUS 2.

L MINUS 2.

WHY DID YOU CLAIM?

WHY?

I am not cop.

This guy, he doesn't have a town PR. He just doesn't.

OOOO I HATE THIS BUT THERE'S JUST TOO MUCH HERE TO NOT PURSUE THIS.

PEDIT:

NO FUCKING TOWN POSTS THAT

NOT A FUCKING CHANCE

[Kcdaspot]

My whole "voting Jason" thing, btw, was a Cop wanting to test his sanity slip. Not a mafia slip.

Admit that you aren't as good as you think you are, KCDA. That or just claim mafia.

I'll be happy with either.

YOU'RE HOPING THAT CLAIM WILL CLEAR YOU.

NOT ONE CHANCE. NO. YOU DO NOT RIDE A PR LIKE THAT.

[Kcdaspot]

Oh and I'd rather claim a bit early than have scum quickhammer me because

you can't accept the fact that I'm town.

if you are town WHY POST THAT?

You're rubbing it in my face.

why do that?

What town motive do you have for talking down to another town?

... I won't accept it. I won't

I want your lynch. If you flip as you claim I will eat my deserved rope w/ a side of fries.

No cop plays like you. no cop active lurks.

Cop tries to find scum, not bandwagon.

Eat rope. Now.

[Kcdaspot]

I will see you banned if you are cop.

That is the worst thing ever. Not even pro anti-town.

Lynch confirmed.

[Kcdaspot]

EBWOP: And I was rubbing it in your face, btw. But since I'm sick of you and Empty Slot, I'm done with this game.

sick of me?

SICK OF ME?

Now you're scumplaining.

[Kcdaspot]

Well it's this or I replace out.
Besides if it helps town to get the scum who lynched the cop out of the picture... just saying.

scum claim.

[Kcdaspot]

srsly if you are town you'd have NO problem proving it.

you haven't... Die.

[Kcdaspot]

It's not THAT you claimed, it's when.

There is no way you are pro-town.

Now THAT is funny.

[Kcdaspot]

Oh and fuck off, KC. You have no idea how to play this game if you really are town.

... he says with 2 town losses.

[Kcdaspot]

By the way, Amor, what are your feelings on other players? You've been tunneling me since the beginning of the game, why not take a break?

@kcdaspot -- Can you explain the sudden reversal in your reads?

First, LOL.

Second.. since AH DID point it out i decided to keep DCJ in the back of my head.

So When i voted him I STILL thought he had somewhat of a town feel for him. When he began to be cross with me THEN it went south. The cop claim was just nail in the coffin.

[Kcdaspot]

AH...

leaning town.

Back off AH, amor is town

[Kcdaspot]

Above post is just one example in a sea of many in which you misquote and distort my statements to suit your purposes.

You seem

REAL

sure about that town read, eh?

[Kcdaspot]

Spoiler: A amor town post.

Would someone mind explaining the votes on me?

Josh's flip just further adds to my suspicion of Abel, or whoever ends up replacing him. Look at how he initially says he's suspicious of both Matt and Josh, then quickly pulls back on the Josh suspicion:

So it appears to me that the two scummiest (and indeed, only two scummy) of Day 1 are projectmatt and DonJosh (and not just because I can read the vote count). projectmatt being the far scummier of the two

Both players have exhibited scummy behavior, and are actually the only people I think have done so thus far in the thread. projectmatt much moreso than DonJosh, but still.

There's always that caveat there, that he suspects Matt more than Josh. I think this falls under the old tell about a vote and a FoS. Although Abel does neither in these posts, the intention is still there: "I suspect my buddy, but I suspect his counterwagon even more!"

In his next post he proceeds to soft-defending Josh by attacking Matt's case on him.

Based on that "wall," it seems like projectmatt finds DonJosh scummy for two reasons:

DonJosh forgot that there was a reroll (something NS also admitted)
DonJosh seemed overly defensive (something that projectmatt himself is more guilty of)

Based on what projectmatt has said and nothing else, I find a disparity between his weak suspicions of DonJosh and his confidence that DonJosh is scum. If we were to lynch DonJosh and he flips scum, projectmatt should definitely be the next move. My only concern is that DonJosh doesn't seem scummy enough to me to lynch at the moment.

This is a clear-cut case of defending someone while stating a token suspicion on them, which is clear scum-scum interaction. He's basically attacking the case against Josh and Matt is scummy for voting him, while hedging it in a language that tries to make it looks like he still suspects Josh. The last paragraph is extremely revealing. He sets up a chain lynch on Matt if Josh flips scum, despite saying that he doesn't really think Josh is scummy. Plan B is clearly taking shape here.

I'm assuming you're talking about DonJosh when you say "His reaction was panic"? Or Big Sleep? I can see that applying to DonJosh's reaction to the two-vote wagon. But since then, he hasn't been defending himself or panicking at all, it seems. Which is why I said earlier that it would be better to put more pressure on you guys.

At this point -- only one RL day since his post expressing suspicion of Josh -- he's full-on defending him. Buddylicious.

It's also worth noting that despite these suspicions Abel never voted for either one, instead eventually voting for DCJ (OMGUS, sort of) and bv310 (lurker vote).

tl;dr: Abel said he was suspicious of Josh but then proceeded to attack Matt a lot more and even defend Josh. This means they're scumbuddies.

Unvote
Vote HonestAbel

P. S.

Good job on lynching scum, everyone, will reread soon.

This looks fake as heck.

sup?

[Kcdaspot]

amor needs to back off of able too.

[Kcdaspot]

FoS to amor.

Those last two sentences...

he already got fake results.

[Kcdaspot]

This probably means nothing, but I just looked at the setup and figured out the odds of having two scum: 1/128. Seems small, but when you think about it, it's actually the highest odds out of any setup. There's a .5 chance of getting a T. There's a lot less chance of getting any other letter. So compare TTTTTTT (2 scum) to, say, TTTTTTD (3 scum and a doctor), and the comparison you're looking at is 1/128 to 1/640. Kcd's mathematics on the situation and the way everyone swallowed it was bugging me because it seemed like Ts are easier to get, and they are. I'm not particularly bothered to continue doing the math right now, but considering that only three of the remaining seven possibilities (T, TTT, TTTTT) allow for three scum, it's certain, and likely overwhelming, that the odds are in favor of us having two or four scum over having three scum.

This is the most useless post all game.

guess who already said this?

[Kcdaspot]

Don.

No.

[Kcdaspot]

Abel is creeping back on my scumdar.

Why didn't you just FoS him?

[Kcdaspot]

... he gotcha amor.. back off.