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In post 149, Furcolow wrote:your reason was "i'm going to sheep"
that is not a reason for "this is why i'm voting the person i'm sheeping on"
it was more like im going to be an idiot and proxy my vote to whoever does action A.
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In post 164, Chronopie wrote:By LoL, Mos and Espy mean League of Legends.
You should join us. (That goes for everyone)
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In post 370, Magister Ludi wrote:Why would Katsuki even be in danger of being lynched?
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In post 435, gandalf5166 wrote:In post 425, Mastermind of Sin wrote:I'm thinking Gandalf is a failed Jester. Someone kill him tonight.
If I was a jester, why would I have switched my claim? I was finally starting to build up a wagon.
In post 405, gandalf5166 wrote:The pointlessness is intentional. I'd rather not risk potentially voting off everyone on my scumteam but me and then recovering my memories and being absolutely fucked. I'll give opinions, but mostly I'm just trying to stay alive until I get my memories back. I might vote if you need it because we're getting close to deadline, but other than that, don't expect me to be a driving force. I think both of the current wagons are probably scum, if that helps.
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In post 440, Empking wrote:In post 439, Mastermind of Sin wrote:Also, based on the sample role pm in the OP, you should know exactly whether or not you are mafia, regardless of flavor knowledge.
They're claiming not to know their role at all.
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In post 557, MagnaofIllusion wrote:
Meh. I don’t have any reason to see Kats or KKB as Town. Sorry, I have only so much room in my heart for players who specifically play useless when possibly Town and that space is currently occupied by my Ellie-Town read and a small bit of MoS maybe Town.
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I'm a little worried. I've never seen Furcolow be this verbose and cohesive in his arguments with people. Usually he's on the level of vezok or benmage, from what I've seen. I don't have a scum-meta on Furcolow, though. Can anyone speak to whether he tends to put in more effort when he's scum?Permanent V/LA.-
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In post 730, Ellibereth wrote:FEYSAL REPLACED KATSU WHO I DON'T THINK IS A RAGEQUITTER AS SCUM.
If anyone can show me contrary meta I'll be onboard though with Feysal's lolflavor and all that.
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FTR...
In post 519, MagnaofIllusion wrote:
Ellie wrote: I think Katsu is town here. He wouldn't have replaced out as scum.
Um, why? He’s just come off a rather bad string of scum losses where he was killed fairly early. Getting significant heat Day 1 as scum, especially from little ol Me, is certainly something I could see causing scum him to throw up his hands in a tantrum.
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Vitamin wrote:See above. Having played with Kats face-to-face, this is my intuition about it.
Meh, I don’t buy it. See dram’s latest Large Theme Atomic Mafia and look at DGB. She basically played to her ‘Town meta’ that was supported by ‘face-to-face’ interaction and replaced out under pressure. Tada what do you know … she was scum.
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In post 753, kanyeknowsbest wrote:hey mos did you know that dgb and katsuki are, in fact, two different people?
ludi, im definitely opposed to my lynch, sorry if that wasnt clear!
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That and in the last week since I asked that question, I've spent 3 days on V/LA followed by my first 3 days in a new job, during which I came down with something and spent 14 hours sleeping yesterday, from the time I came home from work until the time I had to get up and leave again. So yea...haven't really had much time to do a lot of research. Just sayin'.Permanent V/LA.-
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In post 883, Herodotus wrote:
MOS post 439 holds gandalf (and implicitly andrius) to an unreasonable standard of role PM clarity for a bastard game. Besides, why bother arguing that a player is a jester?
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@Herodotus: My point is that I have no inclination to help a third-party jester win when we can be lynching scum instead. I trust myself to be able to find scum better than I trust random vig X who I don't know. If I have to choose whether to use a town lynch to help a jester win or a town vig kill to make a jester lose, I'm going to choose the one that gives us a better chance of getting scum with the other death and has the added bonus of not letting a jester win when they have failed to fool us and thus don't deserve the win.Permanent V/LA.-
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In post 999, Andrius wrote:Like he said earlier what reason does he have to lie?
What reason does he have not to? There is no way we can confirm his information...even if he does have contact with the Seraphs, it's hella easy to just feed us some verifiable truths and then lie through his teeth about other things. I'm taking it with a grain of salt, especially since the existence of the Seraphs have absolutely no relevance to me right now. I can't kill them, so I don't really care which ones are on which side. Talking about Seraph alignment is just a really good way to avoid talking about something that truly matters, like which of the people we can actually lynch might be scum.
To conclude, I don't know if MoI is scum or not, but I'm certainly not going to sheep to whatever he's saying like it's the gospel.Permanent V/LA.-
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In post 1009, Herodotus wrote:
@Mas: Is that correct? Do you think either of them is groupscum? Are there any people you believe to be groupscum?
I'm assuming that this is a typo and that you meant to direct these questions to me.
I'm honestly not sure what to think of their claims just yet. Claiming third party doesn't really make someone actually third party, there are plenty of gambits out there. However, claiming third party as town is retardedly bad, as evidenced by the recently concluded Mafiascum Fantasy Camp game (thanks, GreyICE). Most people have the common sense to avoid something that idiotic, so I'm left to conclude that they are either third party or scum. Given that conclusion and the fact that Feysal has a killing role, I'm more than content to see him hang.
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In post 1016, MagnaofIllusion wrote:
Again … what reason do I have to make up anything. If I did either Seraph could easily invite someone else into the QT who could directly refute my statements. This is once again either stupid or scummy paranoia.
How do we know the Seraphs could do that?
Oh wait, cuz you told us they could. -.-
Again, I'm not saying you're obvscum or anything, I just don't feel like it's prudent to take everything you say as face value until I have good reason to. I feel like you're just distracting us away from actually lynching scum at this point, whether or not you intend to.
quote="In post 1024 , Herodotus"]No typo, Mastermind of Sin, I just left off some letters.
Finding a third party and having no suspects beyond that isn't a way to win as town. Suppose Feysal is the lynch; what next?[/quote]
For less confusion, you're better off using MoS instead of Mas when addressing me. I would have thought you were talking to someone else if you hadn't just been talking about me in the sentence before.
I'm going to cross that bridge when I come to it. It's not like I'm not looking, I just haven't seen anyone else do something that jumped out at me as scummy yet. The game is still young, and I generally take time to ramp up to the point where I have a multitude of solid reads on people, at least in a large game anyway.Permanent V/LA.-
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In post 1058, MagnaofIllusion wrote:
MoS wrote:How do we know the Seraphs could do that?
Oh wait, cuz you told us they could. -.-
Oh, so you think there is any likelihood that the Seraphs don’t have a means to actively contact Town? Please explain to me why you would think that.
I have no idea what the Seraphs can do.
MoS wrote:I feel like you're just distracting us away from actually lynching scum at this point, whether or not you intend to.
Actually … that’s exactly what you are doing. You’ve parked your vote on Feysal (which isn’t a bad thing) and pretty much done no significant scum-hunting outside of him today.
You talked about Jester policy and diverted into this little sidebar about the Seraphs.
Wait, so basically you're blaming me for responding to the people who have endlessly asked me questions regarding these two topics? I made one comment on each and left them well enough alone (the Jester thing because I simply wanted to make it clear why I wasn't trying to lynch him, and the Seraph thing because I wanted to make sure people weren't sheeping blindly like idiots). You people brought them back up and won't stop talking about them.Permanent V/LA.-
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In post 1079, MagnaofIllusion wrote:MoS wrote:I have no idea what the Seraphs can do.
Did you not play in / read / research any of the other games with the Seraph mechanic (Vi’s MoHo games)?
Did you not play in / read / research the signup thread for this game?
MoS wrote:Wait, so basically you're blaming me for responding to the people who have endlessly asked me questions regarding these two topics?
No, I’m blaming you for going out of your way to make non-scumhunting avenues of discussion as opposed to scum-hunting. You were the one who broached the paranioa “maybe MoI is making it all up” line of discussion.
It's not going out of my way to say things that need to be brought up. That doesn't mean I want to spend all my time in this game arguing about them. Persistence is the problem here, and that wasn't remotely my fault. Unless you're suggesting that I should have simply ignored the questions being directed at me so you could attack me for doing so?
Meanwhile once again you’ve done no significant scum-hunting today. Outside Feysal I have no idea who you suspect.
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In post 1083, MagnaofIllusion wrote:MoS wrote:Did you not play in / read / research the signup thread for this game?
Ok, so not willing to answer the question and attempt to deflect noted. Why is that?
I *did* answer the question. I didn't deflect at all.
Were you or were you not aware of how Seraphs have operated in the past games?
See above.
MoS wrote:It's not going out of my way to say things that need to be brought up. That doesn't mean I want to spend all my time in this game arguing about them. Persistence is the problem here, and that wasn't remotely my fault. Unless you're suggesting that I should have simply ignored the questions being directed at me so you could attack me for doing so?
The huge issue I have is that you aren’t bringing up / discussing anything that is remotely scum-hunting related. Jester talk is all game theory and your “I don’t think we should trust MoI’s info” is at worst pointless fluff (since you can’t provide a reasonable reason why I’d stand to gain anything by doing so) and at worst scum seeking to undermine the information coming into thread.
1) Why do you think game theory is unimportant? Game theory is the very thing that drives logical mafia play, and it's an integral part of the game. It's ridiculous that you would try to say we should ignore game theory or that discussing it is scummy. Talking about game theory in a way that does not apply to your reads is scummy. Game theory itself is not inherently scummy. The possibility that gandalf was a jester has actually implications on how I read him and handled that situation. If I didn't think he was a jester, I would have tried to lynch him. My comments regarding the jester business went directly to explaining why I was not voting him and did not think he was a good lynch.
2) How do you not understand what a person stands to gain by having everyone sheep the hell out of them all game? God, I wish IS was here so he could talk some sense into you people.
MoS wrote:Me neither, obviously, or I would have said something by now.
Not buying it. Lack of scum-hunting is 100% due to you.
Into the scum-pool with you MoS ....
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In post 1111, Furcolow wrote:Also, MoS, who had gained from ACTING like a jester in your mind? Gandalf.
What if he just has the wool pulled over your eyes in an epic WIFOM?
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In post 1114, chamber wrote:In post 1113, Mastermind of Sin wrote:In post 1111, Furcolow wrote:Also, MoS, who had gained from ACTING like a jester in your mind? Gandalf.
What if he just has the wool pulled over your eyes in an epic WIFOM?
What does he stand to gain by getting himself killed?
Stop being dumb.
Serious questions deserve serious answers. Stop being a troll.
In post 1116, MagnaofIllusion wrote:MoS wrote:I *did* answer the question. I didn't deflect at all.
No, answering the question actually entails saying “Yes, I did or no I did not have any experience / research how Seraphs worked in MoHO, etc.”.
What you did was be Katsuki like. Great work …
At this point I’m going to assume your stance doesn’t flow from ignorance. Thus it is scummy.
Are you seriously THAT dense/unmotivated?
MoS wrote:1) Why do you think game theory is unimportant? Game theory is the very thing that drives logical mafia play, and it's an integral part of the game. It's ridiculous that you would try to say we should ignore game theory or that discussing it is scummy. Talking about game theory in a way that does not apply to your reads is scummy. Game theory itself is not inherently scummy. The possibility that gandalf was a jester has actually implications on how I read him and handled that situation. If I didn't think he was a jester, I would have tried to lynch him. My comments regarding the jester business went directly to explaining why I was not voting him and did not think he was a good lynch.
Game theory talk is absolutely fluff. Sorry, it is. You should be discussing why particular players are scummy for their actions, not arguing whether handling Gandalf in the manner you did is justified based on your take on Jester handling Game Theory.
Fact– in a large theme the odds of a Jester ending the game are pretty much non-existant. (See Box Mafia for a recent example). So Jester speculation in the context of a Non-game ending Jester is pointless. If someone plays scummy you lynch them. Even if they are a Jester they aren’t going to help catch scum and lynching them prevents their hanging around to be a willing mislynch in LYLO. Vigging works to but specifically singling Gandalf out to not be hung but vigged was an exercise in non-Town helpfulness.
Fact #1- THIS IS A BASTARD GAME.
Fact #2- It is always optimal play to vig a jester rather than lynching them. Why the hell would you give someone the satisfaction of winning when they aren't town-aligned? That's retarded.
MoS wrote:2) How do you not understand what a person stands to gain by having everyone sheep the hell out of them all game? God, I wish IS was here so he could talk some sense into you people.
This is basically fear-mongering. No-one is even sheeping me as evidenced by the general unwillingness to hang Feysal. All I am doing is providing information for Town to use.
1) Sheeping is not limited to who you choose to vote. People are sheeping you by blindly believing any information you put forth. Do you deny it?
2) Hilariously enough, I'm voting Feysal. xD But that's because it's a good lynch and has nothing to do with anything you've said.
MoS wrote:What, you expect me to make something up to please you? Lawl.
No Mr. Bond I expect you to die … [/off movie quote]
Seriously if you were Town you’d be scum-hunting (or should be). All you are doing is basically active lurking. Please continue to do so as it will making hanging you in the coming days much easier.
Please choose your personal definition of scumhunting:
1) Actively watching for scumtells and noting them down for personal reference.
2) Claiming people are scummy in the game thread.
3) Actively watching for scumtells and noting them down, and then sharing them with the town in thread.
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In post 1134, MagnaofIllusion wrote:MoS wrote:Are you seriously THAT dense/unmotivated?
Mafia is a game about information exchange to find scum. If you want to play “Captain Annoying” by not directly answering questions that’s not my issue. I’m not going back to look at the fricking sign-up thread once the game has started. True fact. It's not the game thread ... this is.
You could have just said “Nope, no idea” in the first place. But you chose to take the route least helpful to Town. If you are Town you don’t understand to be useful.
Again, I’ll just assume you are scum since I’d have figured by now you might have figured that out (since you joined in 2004).
I don't negotiate withterroristsidiots.
MoS wrote:Fact #1 - THIS IS A BASTARD GAME.
Fact #2 - It is always optimal play to vig a jester rather than lynching them. Why the hell would you give someone the satisfaction of winning when they aren't town-aligned? That's retarded.
Your first fact is irrelevant. This is a LARGE THEME GAME. I’m going to assume that Plum is a competent mod (history shows she is) and wouldn’t flush away the hard work she put into the game with an end-gaming Jester.
The second fact is again irrelevant. Your Jester speculation is pointless tail-chasing. If you think someone is scummy you lynch them. Worrying more about depriving someone of some secondary pride points as opposed to actively worrying about lynching scum is at best foolish and probably scummy.
And it is funny that you are pushing the “Must Vig Jester” angle so hard while voting for Feysal who appears to be the closest thing in the game to a Vig. I find those competing stances to be scummy.
Where did I say that a Jester would end the game? Stop putting words in my mouth. I'm actively worrying about lynching scum, which is why I chose NOT to lynch Gandalf, who was more likely jester than scum.
Feysal clearly doesn't have the interests of the town at heart, since he did NOT kill Gandalf last night and instead (supposedly) tried to kill Furcolow just because Furc asked him to. He's scum, and there's no way I trust him to kill who he's supposed to.
MoS wrote:Please choose your personal definition of scumhunting:
Nice way to attempt to limit the definitions to your choosing.
You are doing nothing in thread that reflects that you are actively looking for scum. Your “I don’t know who is scum” statement confirms this in my mind. Thus you are playing much more towards a scum wincon than a Town wincon.
You're more than welcome to define scumhunting in your own words. I just assumed that there would be no question as to which of those options was the correct answer. Nice deflection, though.Nowwho's being difficult?
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ooba wrote: - To consider MoI "confirmed" town based on this info (I'm looking at WoW) is wrong because this is all he's given us
Aside from the fact that you ignored the fact I delivered Feysal from the QT (as non-Town) this is rather pointless.
My Towniness should be judged completely apart for the Seraphim QT. It should be judged based on the rest of my play.
This whole portion of your post reads much like weak undermining I saw from MoS.
LoL, I love how MoI is just OMGUSing everyone who questions him now. Kid needs to get a grip and realize that we're all not sheep here.
In other news, this Kanye wagon has gone on long enough. This wagon can't be entirely scum-driven, which is a sad realization for those who are town, but let's look at a few exceptionally suspect players.
Wraith's case on Kanye is based on weak reasoning from the beginning of the game, and he hasn't bothered to expand on his suspicion of Kanye since, instead just saying he's still the "strongest scumread" and continually pushing his lynch.
Additionally, Ellibereth's reasoning for being on the Kanye wagon was "kanye was BIG SUSPECT or something". Didn't even bother to provide his own reasoning or agree with anything put forward by someone else, only joined the wagon because other people said Kanye was scummy.
Mockingjaye has almost singularly been focused on Kanye for the entire game. Her posts have been very verbose, but if you can stop your eyes from glazing over and actually look at the details, it's nearly all about Kanye. That's a hell of a lot of posting just about one player being scum. It's either tunnel vision or an attempt to look like she's contributing a lot without actually commenting on anything else that's going on in the game. (She made a brief comment on Gandalf/Andrius, hasn't said anything about MoI, and made a short argument in favor of keeping Feysal alive that actually made no sense because she's trusting a third party player to correctly report their wincon rather than just make one up that will please the town!)
In order of scumminess, I'm thinking Ellibereth > Wraith > Mockingjaye, although it's close enough that I could see switching the first two.
With the Feysal wagon sadly stalled in favor of lynching Kanye, let's try a new tact for now.
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Maybe it's been a while since I've played with VitR (have we ever actually been in a game together?), but I'm not getting a scum feel from him. Not sure where those reads are coming from.
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Also, just remembered that Feysal replaced Katsuki, and a ton of people were claiming that slot was town because Katsuki replaced out in "frustration". Y'all can suck on that one, bitches.Permanent V/LA.-
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In post 1140, ooba wrote:And Feysal is NOT mafia.
I don't think anyone's claiming this, are they?
@MoS: Why not MoI from the kanye wagon?
I didn't realize he was actually on the wagon, I was looking at the last VC. Even so, I'm still not convinced that MoI isn't just retarded. Just because I don't trust his Seraph thing 100% does NOT mean that I think he's definitely lying. I'm just making it clear that I'm taking everything with a grain of salt. It *is* interesting that MoI is wigging out so much over a little healthy distrust, but I haven't seen enough scumtells to put MoI anywhere near the top of my list, though.Permanent V/LA.-
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In post 1146, MagnaofIllusion wrote:MoS wrote:Where did I say that a Jester would end the game? Stop putting words in my mouth. I'm actively worrying about lynching scum, which is why I chose NOT to lynch Gandalf, who was more likely jester than scum.
You never said anything of the sort. You apparently aren’t comprehending the point. A Jester ending the game is the ONLY reason to give the possibility of a Jester any thought what-so-ever. You find someone playing scummy … you lynch them.
I oppose all non-town win conditions by policy when I am town. It's as simple as that.
MoS wrote:Feysal clearly doesn't have the interests of the town at heart, since he did NOT kill Gandalf last night and instead (supposedly) tried to kill Furcolow just because Furc asked him to. He's scum, and there's no way I trust him to kill who he's supposed to.
Did Feysal call Gandalf scum? If not your desire to see Gandalf NKed doesn’t really factor into the scenario. I personally would have shot any number of players (I can think of at least 5 off-hand) before even considering Gandalf.
And yet you're the one telling me that I should consider Feysal a vig to be used to kill Gandalf...you're contradicting yourself now.
MoS wrote:LoL, I love how MoI is just OMGUSing everyone who questions him now.Kid needs to get a gripand realize that we're all not sheep here.
Oh, I’m sorry … I didn’t know I wasn’t allowed to call your scummy play out because your scummy posts happened to be directed at me. Pointless reliance on outdated Wikitells noted.
I was more referring to Ooba than myself, but your avoidance of this pattern is noted.
And the bolded is LOL indeed. News flash Tex – I guarantee if one of us is a ‘kid’ it’s you.
But since you need apparently a lesson in why undermining is an effective and classic scum move I’ll explain it to you.
Town has not reason to attach players they don’t think are scummy in a manner. Or at least competent Town doesn’t anyway.
Scum, however, when faced with a difficult target (aka someone who generally isn’t considered scummy for their play) they have to go the undermining route. That’s the route where scum don’t call someone scummy and instead resort to rhetoric. Here are some of the examples of you doing exactly that …
MoS wrote:I don't negotiate with terroristsidiots.
MoS wrote:I'm still not convinced that MoI isn't just retarded.
It’s straight from the playbook of politician everywhere … when you can’t actually attack your opponents record then demonize them.
Yup, everyone who disagrees with MoS has to be mentally challenged.
Fail. But I appreciate that you’ve made it easier to pick you out from the rest of the non-scum hunters as scum. In fact have a vote … you earned it!
UNVOTE: Kayne
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So basically you think I'm scum because you can't handle being insulted. Got it,kid.
MoS wrote:Are you on crack? Feysal has already claimed HIMSELF that he's not town...and I don't think this is another GreyICE ala UPick.
So you think that Feysal is scum. Is Furcolow scum with him? If not why would Furc lie about being targetted?
And do you think Chrono was some sort of Vig / SK shot then? Do you think we are in Multi-scum?
I need to see how these stances make sense in conjunction with the game state as we know it currently.
I have no idea what the scum setup is. We could be dealing with multiple scumgroups, and/or we could have any number of SKs. I have no evidence to allow me to speculate on any of those questions. All I know is that Feysal is acting scummy and has actively claimed to be scum (with the supposed caveat that he can still win with the town, which is super lolz). I don't see how people can't understand this.Permanent V/LA.-
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In post 1134, MagnaofIllusion wrote:And it is funny that you are pushing the “Must Vig Jester” angle so hard while voting for Feysal who appears to be the closest thing in the game to a Vig. I find those competing stances to be scummy.
MoS wrote:Feysal clearly doesn't have the interests of the town at heart, since he did NOT kill Gandalf last night and instead (supposedly) tried to kill Furcolow just because Furc asked him to. He's scum, and there's no way I trust him to kill who he's supposed to.
In post 1146, MagnaofIllusion wrote:Did Feysal call Gandalf scum? If not your desire to see Gandalf NKed doesn’t really factor into the scenario. I personally would have shot any number of players (I can think of at least 5 off-hand) before even considering Gandalf.
MoS wrote:And yet you're the one telling me that I should consider Feysal a vig to be used to kill Gandalf...you're contradicting yourself now.
In post 1148, MagnaofIllusion wrote:Absolute lie. Where have I EVER advocated keeping Feysal alive and directing his shots? Please find me where that happened. Because it didn’t. And you can't. More non-scum hunting and lying on your part. Nice.
Oh yes, now you're going to try to backtrack out of this one by sayingyounever advocated directing Feysal's shots yourself...and yet here you are, attacking me for not trusting Feysal to vig Gandalf and calling that a contradiction. I'll quote it again for you in case you're blind:
In post 1134, MagnaofIllusion wrote:And it is funny that you are pushing the “Must Vig Jester” angle so hard while voting for Feysal who appears to be the closest thing in the game to a Vig. I find those competing stances to be scummy.
In post 1134, MagnaofIllusion wrote:And it is funny that you are pushing the “Must Vig Jester” angle so hard while voting for Feysal who appears to be the closest thing in the game to a Vig. I find those competing stances to be scummy.
In post 1134, MagnaofIllusion wrote:And it is funny that you are pushing the “Must Vig Jester” angle so hard while voting for Feysal who appears to be the closest thing in the game to a Vig. I find those competing stances to be scummy.
In post 1134, MagnaofIllusion wrote:And it is funny that you are pushing the “Must Vig Jester” angle so hard while voting for Feysal who appears to be the closest thing in the game to a Vig. I find those competing stances to be scummy.
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You need to pick up some reading comprehension skills, MoI...
Mastermind of Sin wrote:Oh yes, now you're going to try to backtrack out of this one by saying you never advocated directing Feysal's shots yourself...and yet here you are, attacking me for not trusting Feysal to vig Gandalf and calling that a contradiction.
Read that again, especially the second part. I'm not saying thatyoupersonally want Feysal to be kept alive and directed. I'm saying that you ATTACKED me for NOT wanting Feysal kept alive by saying thatIshould want Feysal to kill Gandalf because he's "the closest thing in the game to a Vig", and then proceeded to argue AGAINST that very attack by claiming that Feysal doesn't think Gandalf is scum and thus can't be expected to vig him.
You are contradicting yourself by holding me to a standard whereIam supposed to take the stance of using Feysal as a vig to kill Gandalf even though webothagree that Feysal will not be convinced to kill Gandalf. Your questioning of my stances involved a clear logical contradiction.
Let me spell it out even more clearly:
MoS Stance #1:Gandalf is likely a jester and should be vigged.
MoS Stance #2/MoI Stance #1:Feysal is scum and cannot be trusted to kill the people we want dead, so he needs to die.
MoI Stance #2:MoS should not want Feysal dead because he's the closest thing we have to a vig.
MoS Stance #3:MoI's Stance #2 completely contradicts the agreed upon MoS Stance #2/MoI Stance #1. If MoS believes that Feysal cannot be trusted to kill Gandalf (or anyone else we the town thinks is scum, for that matter), there is no reason for him to take the stance that Feysal should be kept alive and directed. Thus, MoI Stance #2 is logically invalid and contradictory.
Now that we've solved that mystery, let's get back to doing something productive. Someone on the Kanye wagon is scum, if not multiple people. Let's find them and hunt them down, preferably starting with Ellibereth.Permanent V/LA.-
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