Mini 1243: Magician Mafia (Game Over)

[4nxi3ty]

vote: crab canon

to even things up

[4nxi3ty]

1. it's your soul

Doi
/facehitsdesk

[4nxi3ty]

@shift, are you trying to say you'd rather avoid interactions between players like saulres and junpei?

[4nxi3ty]

I don't think interaction should be considered stupid or a consequence, it allows us to see what a player is doing like buddying for example.

[4nxi3ty]

Ah k, first theme game. Vi you don't need to post that much, it makes me look bad.

[4nxi3ty]

hmm, i think you got your timer mixed up?

pedit: @ vi

[4nxi3ty]

didn't think it was post restriction just thought vi was over achieving.

just a comment on choice in flavour.

[4nxi3ty]

^ post by Juls

nope.

unvote

[4nxi3ty]

im a little behind will catchup this week tho.
why was shift defending the wagon on me?

[4nxi3ty]

@shift if your not too busy saying the votes on me are silly, could you distance more from saulres. If that doesn't work maybe you could try distancing from ace.

@Junpei, using only random questions to get a baseline on people is a bad idea. you will only get vague reads and it makes you look scummy.

[4nxi3ty]

ace im gonna plead the fifth.

[4nxi3ty]

duh what are you trying to say.

[4nxi3ty]

...sigh

[4nxi3ty]

Hmm.

Shiftscum?

yup that looks like the case, at least he has more of a tendency to flail.

vote: crab canon

[4nxi3ty]

Finally got a chance to catch up. First a couple of questions:

1)

*opens mystery box to reveal

a one-shot Cult Cop ability

I wiki'd what a Cult is, and I know what a Cop is -- what's a "Cult Cop"? A member of a Cult with Cop abilities, or a Cop who can detect if someone's Cult or not?

2)

The fact that Vi concurred with another vote meant to me that there was something scummy about saulres

Why does Vi's opinion hold so much sway over you, Junpei?

Okay, now the case and the vote:

4ni3ty: In the post right before this one, you agree with Amrun that Shift looks like scum, so you promptly follow Vi's solo-wagon onto Crab Canon? That's seems curious to me.

In 34 you interact with Vi saying her -- (digression: Vi could you please gesture something to indicate your gender?) -- saying her posts make you look bad. In 24 you say interaction "allows us to see what a player is doing like buddying for example". Using your own advice, I looked at the interaction in 34, and it sure feels like buddying with Vi.

Whether Vi is scum or not, both of the above points seem like buddying. Whether it's scum buddying a scumbuddy or scum false-buddying to set someone up later, it's too suspicious for me to ignore.

Your 105 is bizarre as well.

*

You tell shift he needs to

distance

from me and ace. Funny, I never saw him

buddying

with me or Ace.

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All I saw was tunneling on me and hoping Ace would contribute. I don't know what you were trying to accomplish with that post, but it seems misdirecting, and scummy.

So, yeah. Scumvibes all around.

VOTE: 4nxi3ty

cmon there is no cult in this game. also is it okay for townies to buddy?

[4nxi3ty]

Nice of you to finally join Ace, hopefully you'll see the light soon.In post 74, saulres wrote:In post 67, Shift wrote:Ace not posting yet is ridiculous, so are Saul, Spring, and Riggs not voting anyone.In post 15, Shift wrote:I DO WHAT I WANTI don't really like RQS but I know some players like to throw fits when someone doesn't answer your questions.Hypocrite much?Way to take me out of context, and out of all the things you could take out of context you decide on a joke. Flail harder.Context was Amrun asking me why I hadn't confirmed yet (I was the last to confirm) with an RVS vote. I said "I DO WHAT I WANT" as a joke, real reason was I went to bed before he sent out PMs and I had been at school all day.There is a big difference between joke answering why you were the last to confirm IN YOUR FIRST POST and not voting anyone despite posting multiple times.tl;dr: Taking jokes out of context, still hasn't voted, flailing scum

[4nxi3ty]

are you sure shift wasn't buddying with ace?

[4nxi3ty]

yeh yeh i messed up the formatting click the link if it really bothers you.

[4nxi3ty]

so which is it, is shift distancing from ace or buddying?

[4nxi3ty]

...votes don't have to be used for pressure.

for instance seeing aces response to my revote.

[4nxi3ty]

saulres/shift/ace/cc=scumteam?

getting major scum vibes from all four. thinking either same faction, two different factions, or one faction and a third party.

when i originaly placed my vote on CC i thought the crab was null and was trying to gauge ace. afterwards sottyrulez brought up some valid points and this fluffy interaction with saulres got my attention. so looks like crab wil be a very informative dish.

[4nxi3ty]

sottyrulez brought up some valid points and this fluffy interaction with saulres got my attention. so looks like crab wil be a very informative dish.

lol, answering saulres' question is a fluffy interaction in your opinion?

Which points that sotty made do you feel are strong?

This is going to be an epic day if scum go all in versus me today. This is my favorite type of game

what exactly were you trying to accomplish by answering saulres' question?

oh an you might want to stop being so defensive, if all your gonna do is twist words there is no point in arguing with you

[4nxi3ty]

do you agree with junpei, that not answering questions=scum?

or maybe ignoring some questions to avoid circular arguements is better?

[4nxi3ty]

...votes don't have to be used for pressure.

for instance seeing aces response to my revote.

I don't think 4nxi3ty is scum, he just has no idea what he's doing. Junpei should post some reads.

saulres/shift/ace/cc=scumteam?

getting major scum vibes from all four. thinking either same faction, two different factions, or one faction and a third party.

when i originaly placed my vote on CC i thought the crab was null and was trying to gauge ace. afterwards sottyrulez brought up some valid points and this fluffy interaction with saulres got my attention. so looks like crab wil be a very informative dish.

Usually I'd say that this wagon is just misguided but under the circumstances of how it started (a couple weak votes before the attack began) I'm more inclined to see it as a scum-driven counterwagon.

i believe the wagon he is referring to is the one on CC(which implies that i am scum for a weak vote).

[4nxi3ty]

crab canon twists more than a machine at a twizzler factory XD.

[4nxi3ty]

never had a twizzler?

[4nxi3ty]

most of your responses to sottyrulez have been arguements over the words he uses and not the points he makes.

[4nxi3ty]

His early posts were very WTF and I wasn't sure what kind of player we had here. But from post 105 onward he picks it up and starts scum hunting. He pokes Shift for the strange defense of his wagon he gave in post 67, something we noted on our read. It really comes out of left field.

ok, and you said that what 4nxi3ty said about us also turned you around. what exactly did he say about us that changed your opinion of him?

It's funny, I knew your response was going to be something along those lines. I think your statement can be interpreted to have that effect. At the very least, you were attempting to cut off a line of discussion. (About Vi's post restriction.) Personally my thoughts would have expanded to figuring out more about what Vi can respond to and how Vi might be able to communicate with us more clearly without having to talk about the apparent post restriction. (Which it seems Vi is unable to discuss.) Your apparent reaction was, STOP ASKING ABOUT THE POST RESTRICTION BECAUSE OMG MODKILL.

I don't think my statement can be interpreted to have that effect at all actually. I explicitly said 'stop asking about the post restriction' I believe. I don't see how that implies 'stop communicating with Vi.' And yes, I was cutting off that line of discussion because I think it's scummy to repeatedly try to press a player about something that has the potential to get them modkilled. Asking them once to clarify? Sure, that's cool if you think it's necessary. Repeatedly trying to goad the player into posting about it when it's already been made clear there is a risk of modkill? I'm going to stop that. Even IF the player asking is town and the player replying is scum, it's kind of against the integrity of the game, don't you think? I find it pretty ludicrous that you somehow find that scummy.

Character setup speculation, now that's a great reason to think someone is town.

Again, it's not like I'm calling Vi clear town on my speculation, just giving an opinion. You seem awfully antagonistic over nothing.

What was the point of it other than to dissent from other's reads? Why just him, in particular, at that point in time?

People were giving their reads of him. I've been keeping an eye on him, but I really am having a hard time getting a clear read on him. As above, this seems way too antagonistic for what I'd expect from you too. Frankly, it feels to me like you guys are reaching for any reason to vote for us. You really believe the stuff you're citing or are you just trying to pressure us?

would you consider antagonistic or misrepresent a buzzword?

[4nxi3ty]

yup cc behaviour recently has been more about turning the argument on the person pressuring them, than actually scumhunting.

[4nxi3ty]

good aim

unvote,vote: ace

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[4nxi3ty]

*carries a magic hat over to vi*
*the weight of it is pressing down on his hands*

*slips on some seafood on the floor*

not you. I mean SR and

ace suddenly turning tail

.

*Anxiety

*goes back to the side*
*and waits with junpei and amrun who are looking suspiciously at him*

[4nxi3ty]

Saulres did overreact earlier, but his later post make it seem like it's his personaly rather than his alignement that reacts the way he did. Ace was a bit quick to jump to the rescue though. Not really seeing the Junpei case, and the quicklynch bit seems a bit thin to use as an argument.

:^good posting:
saul/crab/ace/shift=dangerous(same team)
are those correct?

*takes ace's picture*
*places it in corner of junpei's mirror*

[4nxi3ty]

i didn't want to go through the whole case so i just picked the points i felt were most important at this juncture.

CC's vote:

...votes don't have to be used for pressure.

for instance seeing aces response to my revote.

when i originaly placed my vote on CC i thought the crab was null and was trying to gauge ace. afterwards sottyrulez brought up some valid points

i stated my reasons for voting CC and if you disagree with sotty's points that's okay for now.

blatant misrep:

do you agree with junpei, that not answering questions=scum?

or maybe ignoring some questions to avoid circular arguements is better?

this post was mostly directed at CC to figure out the responses that were going on at the time. it was not my intention to misreprensent you though i do see how it can come off that way.

*shakes pant leg*
*collects firework that falls out of pant leg*
*aims rocket between Crab Canon and sottyrulez*
*lights rocket*
*runs in other direction*

*waits for smoke to clear*
*

confirms vote on ace5993

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good aim

unvote,vote: ace

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i'll let you decide if there was a good reason to stop the 1v1 between sottyrulez and crab canon. Also i had already recieved a reaction post from ace.

[4nxi3ty]

*finds magic bullet*
*ponders*
*looks at reflection in mirror*

[4nxi3ty]

*looks at audience*
*shrugs*
*looks at stage*
*sits down*

*takes out cigarette*
*lights it*
*exahles juniper smoke*
*shakes head*

*places to the side*

*takes out another*
*lights it.inhales deeply*
*exhales green smoke*

*holds cigarette in one hand*
*makes fist of the other*
*ties the two with string*
*lights string*
*sparks ignite*
*cigarettes disappear*

*Shouts*

*waits til next act*

[4nxi3ty]

*looks at ace*
*looks at clock*
*holds weight menacingly overhead*

[4nxi3ty]

*alarm rings early*
*sighs*
*stands up*
*tears card with ace of spades*

*places lamp post in pile of dirt*
*levitates pile dangerously above self*
*notices soil is good*
*says the magic words : lamp is buried:*

*dirt falls*
*rescue team rushes in*
*they only find the body of a scarecrow*

*reappears*
*high fives rescue team*
*encourages audience to unravel mystery*

*says a tenative 'aloha' to leaky scarecrow, crowd control, fire-fuel ace, and shifty lurk*

[4nxi3ty]

If sotty and crab both turn up town (as I think they are)

*nods head somewhat slowly*

*shows amrun two cards*
*places one face up *
*places other face down*
*draws rainbow on the first*

*looks at saulres*
*looks inquisitively at boss*

[4nxi3ty]

@junpei

what exactly was i faking. i never said or implied that i had a post restriction. think about that for a while before making a final decision about me.

[4nxi3ty]

it looks like springlullaby will be the deciding vote.

i don't want to comment on others until i hear from her, unless fishy really wants clarification on ace.

[4nxi3ty]

*laughs like a ninja*

*nods*
*brings out typewriter*
*sees keys are spaced very far apart*

[4nxi3ty]

meh.

I really don't like Shift's weak jump to a policy lynch when sotty is at L-2, why do you think springlullaby is a better choice than sotty right now? Here's a hint, we aren't policy lynching today (although springlullaby isn't a bad choice for other reasons). Put up a genuine case on someone or get back on sotty.

Confirm vote: 4nxi3ty

I highly suggest everyone else policy lynch him until he stops posting like that.

Unless Vi converted him?

unvote, vote: saulres

[4nxi3ty]

since a lot of people aren't paying attention, i will explain these two quotes:

Confirm vote: 4nxi3ty

I highly suggest everyone else policy lynch him until he stops posting like that.

Unless Vi converted him?

here is saul's original reasons for voting me. he gets scumvibes from me yet pushes a policy lynch later. this is not an accurate thought process if he were town.

I really don't like Shift's weak jump to a policy lynch when sotty is at L-2, why do you think springlullaby is a better choice than sotty right now? Here's a hint, we aren't policy lynching today (although springlullaby isn't a bad choice for other reasons). Put up a genuine case on someone or get back on sotty.

ace completely ignores saulres' policy lynch reason even though saulres has been significantly more scummy than shift.

that being said i am up for either a saulres or ace lynch. however, if i push a lynch between ace and sotty more people are gonna vote for sotty,ie. vote for saulres or mislynch sotty.

[4nxi3ty]

explain your reasons for voting me.

[4nxi3ty]

what error?

[4nxi3ty]

your being vague. am i scum or am i detrimental to town? is it an error to vote for sotty when i am your top scum read? or was it an error to policy lynch me?

[4nxi3ty]

please commit to saying i am scum or saying i am anti-town(they are two different things). you can't have your cake and eat it.

[4nxi3ty]

who do you think is more scummy, me or sotty?

[4nxi3ty]

please commit.

[4nxi3ty]

whatever, i am willing to hammer shift if it makes it that far.

[4nxi3ty]

since a lot of people aren't paying attention, i will explain these two quotes:

Confirm vote: 4nxi3ty

I highly suggest everyone else policy lynch him until he stops posting like that.

Unless Vi converted him?

here is saul's original reasons for voting me. he gets scumvibes from me yet pushes a policy lynch later. this is not an accurate thought process if he were town.

I really don't like Shift's weak jump to a policy lynch when sotty is at L-2, why do you think springlullaby is a better choice than sotty right now? Here's a hint, we aren't policy lynching today (although springlullaby isn't a bad choice for other reasons). Put up a genuine case on someone or get back on sotty.

ace completely ignores saulres' policy lynch reason even though saulres has been significantly more scummy than shift.

that being said i am up for either a saulres or ace lynch. however, if i push a lynch between ace and sotty more people are gonna vote for sotty,ie. vote for saulres or mislynch sotty.

/smashes head against wall

[4nxi3ty]

Again, I don't understand why you're being obstinate toward very specific questions that should be easy to answer if you're town.

I was answering saulres' question because he asked. Presumably, he wanted to get a better read on me and answering his question would help him do that. I don't see a reason to ignore questions asked to me.

do you agree with junpei, that not answering questions=scum?

or maybe ignoring some questions to avoid circular arguements is better?

CC i am still waiting for an answer to those two questions, i don't need whole a case on what is scummy, just a simple answer to the questions and why you chose to answer saulres and not me.

[4nxi3ty]

0.Oo.0O.o

This day just went from bad to worse.

Do you really want to lynch A LURKER?

Do you seriously think a SL or RIGGS flip will provide more info than a ACE or SOTTY(this name should be saul) flip...?

[4nxi3ty]

CC i did not ask you to discuss theory or sotty or junpei or that interaction between you and saul.

I asked you to simply answer the questions and explain why it took so long to respond to me.

[4nxi3ty]

pls don't belittle me and the same goes for ace who has been doing it all game. i have already stated that i would vote for ace.

[4nxi3ty]

cause there won't be enough time for claim speculation, i am willing to hammer one of my scumreads.

[4nxi3ty]

fine since sottyrulez asked nicely.

unvote,vote: ace

cc you better not switch your vote to sotty if they both get to L-1

[4nxi3ty]

Vi just wants info on her neighbor's alignment.

Junpei thinks he can catch scum by waiting till the last second.

Crab Canon has gained towncred.

Ace has successfully buddied up with junpei.

just hammer after ace has posted, okay Junpei?

[4nxi3ty]

it doesn't matter, there is no time to examine claim and i doubt springlullaby will claim before deadline. spring is either a vanilla townie or less likely a third party. if spring can claim in time, the only thing that would help us is an ability claim.

[4nxi3ty]

I don't have anything I really wanted to say, I was just attempting to make sure no one hammered me before I claimed (no reveal). I absolutely think we should wait until the last second for a lynch so springlullaby has a chance to claim.

I don't think springlullaby is scum but she's not 100% town either

, so probably preferable to a no lynch.

still don't get why ace is getting away with this.

Junpei, i am going to hammer in one hour and thirty minutes

[4nxi3ty]

i believe it is scums' turn, lets see who decides to push a lynch...

[4nxi3ty]

alright well i want saulres gone today so i am going to push that lynch like there is no tommorow and i better not see any ridiculous counterwagons forming. i will provide evidence on saulres later in the day.

since cc was the first to call me scum lets start here:

Why are all of us who have strong scum reads on ace having to compromise for the much weaker SL wagon?!?!?!

Amrun is suspicious of ace, Vi was suspicious of ace at one time, Fishy has been suspicious of ace, Junpei is ace's scumbuddy, GNR was on ace earlier, Shift is busy omgusing, Anxiety is in his own world.

Why is ace not the lynch and it's looking like SL will be?

^false anger. CC only had a strong scum read on ace after several people unvoted him(see below).

I really don't like Shift's weak jump to a policy lynch when sotty is at L-2, why do you think springlullaby is a better choice than sotty right now?

Here's a hint, we aren't policy lynching today (although springlullaby isn't a bad choice for other reasons).

Put up a genuine case on someone or get back on sotty.

You know what I'm willing to see where this wagon goes,

Unvote, Vote: springlullaby

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The timing of Shift's vote still leaves a bad taste in my mouth but I don't think it has any bearing on springlullaby's alignment and this game has been in a stall.

In no way does this mean we should be forgetting about sotty.

Yeah this is probably the scummiest thing I have seen all day.

Unvote, vote: ace

[4nxi3ty]

VOTE: SAULRES

[4nxi3ty]

i'd rather wait to see everyone's response to yesterday's flips before pushing saulres' lynch, that way i can confirm my reads.

though while we're waiting maybe you would like to explain your fencesitting on springlullaby...

Here's a hint, we aren't policy lynching today (although springlullaby isn't a bad choice for other reasons). Put up a genuine case on someone or get back on sotty.

I don't think springlullaby is scum but she's not 100% town either, so probably preferable to a no lynch.

[4nxi3ty]

no i read it, it changed after one post from spring right?

[4nxi3ty]

so springlullaby's one post must've been really convincing to change your read that easily...

right?

[4nxi3ty]

if SL's one post was so convincing as town that you felt the need to completely reverse your read Why would you post this instead of trying to stop a mislynch.

I don't think springlullaby is scum but she's not 100% town either

[4nxi3ty]

you could've put more pressure on sottyrulez earlier yet you decided to see where springlullaby's wagon would go.

also i thought you were going to pressure me about this:

spring is either a vanilla townie or less likely a third party.

This is an outright scum claim. There's absolutely no way to justify this comment, he was typing too fast and didn't stop to think about what he typed.

Vote:4nxi3ty

did you completely forget about it or was it not that important. And by the way i don't need to justify myself since i was right about spring and sotty.

lol ninja'd

[4nxi3ty]

good move

[4nxi3ty]

sure why not as long as junpei doesn't listen to you. oh and how come you didn't want to talk about sotty? whose more worried about incriminating themselves... i wonder?

[4nxi3ty]

ace what do you think of saul coming to your aid... were you really in that much trouble?

[4nxi3ty]

@junpei

Ace has successfully buddied up with junpei.

you have an incredibly bias opinion of me and i have been trying to sever this connection for a while because of that perception. if you can't at least consider this possibility than i have to give up and move on.

[4nxi3ty]

@fishy
please don't look at one post and call it scummy, take into consideration the flow of the game as well.

[4nxi3ty]

wrong. you are town. ace has been indirectly nudging you to mislynch me.

[4nxi3ty]

^good move your are learning, much better than the start of the game.

[4nxi3ty]

^ i am 100% confused about this.

I might consider a saulres wagon but it's awful late to start that up.

would either of you be willing to lynch saulres today?

[4nxi3ty]

hmm this could potentialy change things. vi and riggs are neighbors at the start of the game and ace has a nighttime neighborizer ability, not sure if this adds up flavorwise. also interestingly this claim happens when vi is v/la.

i think it is a reasonable request for everyone to hold off on all wagons until both vi and riggs get a chance to respond.

[4nxi3ty]

unvote,vote: ace

name claim?

[4nxi3ty]

vi, i have two different theories of why your playing this out. i'll see where this goes but don't let this become a repeat of yesterday.

[4nxi3ty]

srry but i am going to have to clear this up.

do you think i am scum?

[4nxi3ty]

okay carry on than.

amrun, what do you think of there being three different neighbors flavourwise?

[4nxi3ty]

yeah but i don't really see a third magician having a neighbour ability.

[4nxi3ty]

well i would rather have a name claim from ace, the whole one-shot nighttime neighborizer is vastly different than two daytime neighbours.

[4nxi3ty]

*notices soft shelled crab is missing flavour*
*asks chef for the name of the spice*

[4nxi3ty]

lol okay i'll stop having fun.

[4nxi3ty]

maybe

[4nxi3ty]

hmmpf maybe i should go back to lynching saulres since everone thinks ace is a saint, cc will you pressure ace more or change your vote to saulres?

[4nxi3ty]

...mislynch in progress

vi if you let riggs get lynched i am going to consider you scum.

[4nxi3ty]

.............................................................................................sigh

town is so naive.

a name claim doesn't reveal power roles.

*applauds ace for brilliant fishing*

[4nxi3ty]

town is so getting owned right now.

some advice: the more scum call someone a village idiot the riskier it is to night kill them leaving a mislynch as the only option.

[4nxi3ty]

saul, who were your scum and town reads d1&2?

and what are you implying with those post?

[4nxi3ty]

fishy do you agree with vi or cc about saulres.

[4nxi3ty]

^pay attention folks

saulres ignores my questions and ace is suddenly not interested in riggs.

ace i was simply stating my read. why do you choose to pressure me about the springlullaby post and not the nameclaim?

[4nxi3ty]

^and now saulres makes an excuse for not answering two simple questions.

[4nxi3ty]

^and ace still doesn't want talk about why asked for a nameclaim

[4nxi3ty]

^and now saulres thinks using the same tactic will work for him.
^and now he suddenly has time to reply to me

[4nxi3ty]

^and now their both having trouble manufacturing a response

goodbye folks any questions you have i'll answer them tommorow

[4nxi3ty]

4nxi3ty, here are my current reads. Locke, my read on GNR comes from what you asked as well as my own analysis.

Scummy

4nxi3ty: scum
Guy_Named_Riggs: flailing newbie scum
Crab Canon (VP Baltar/Juls): High scum probability

Townish

Vi: Leaning town
Locke Lamora: Leaning town

No current opinion

Shift Luxury (Shift/Regfan)
Junpei
ace5993
Sathoris/Fishythefish
Amrun

@Mod

: I will be V/LA again starting roughly 12 hours from now and extending roughly 48 hours from then.

i asked for both your day one and day two reads, why did you intentionally ignore that part?

unvote,vote: saulres

[4nxi3ty]

here are most if not at all of saulres' posts that take a stance on someone day one, all his other posts have mainly been iioa:

The high fives were because I agreed with two of the statements. Nothing more.

Glad to see spring's reneged on her lurk

, though.

His reaction to my vote though is absolutely scumtastic.

It is? Please elaborate. I had seen you vote for me with no reason, in a post where you quoted Vi and no one else, so I questioned why. I don't see how that's a scumtell. If anything I'd read it as

"Vi signalled her scumbuddies to vote for the people she listed without voting for them" and you following along

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Finally got a chance to catch up. First a couple of questions:

1)

*opens mystery box to reveal

a one-shot Cult Cop ability

I wiki'd what a Cult is, and I know what a Cop is -- what's a "Cult Cop"? A member of a Cult with Cop abilities, or a Cop who can detect if someone's Cult or not?

2)

The fact that Vi concurred with another vote meant to me that there was something scummy about saulres

Why does Vi's opinion hold so much sway over you, Junpei?

Okay, now the case and the vote:

4ni3ty: In the post right before this one,

you agree with Amrun that Shift looks like scum, so you promptly follow Vi's solo-wagon onto Crab Canon? That's seems curious to me

.

In 34 you interact with Vi saying her -- (digression: Vi could you please gesture something to indicate your gender?) -- saying her posts make you look bad. In 24 you say interaction "allows us to see what a player is doing like buddying for example". Using your own advice, I looked at the interaction in 34, and it sure feels like buddying with Vi.

Whether Vi is scum or not, both of the above points seem like buddying. Whether it's scum buddying a scumbuddy or scum false-buddying to set someone up later, it's too suspicious for me to ignore.

Your 105 is bizarre as well. You tell shift he needs to distance from me and ace.

Funny, I never saw him buddying with me or Ace.

All I saw was tunneling on me and hoping Ace would contribute. I don't know what you were trying to accomplish with that post, but it seems misdirecting, and scummy.

So, yeah. Scumvibes all around

.

VOTE: 4nxi3ty

Thanks for the image-decoding, CC.

4nxi3ty got a lot better as he posted about Shift and about CC. Really not understanding saulres vote on him in 127. He seems to pick up on a lot of things that aren't actually scummy.

They're not? How are they not?

Here were my points. Please explain how they're not scummy:

Point 1: Thinks Shift is scum and then, out of nowhere, with no further explanation, votes Crab Canon. He still hasn't provided any solid reasons, eventually saying "Vibes and fluff" in 167.

Point 2: Interactions with Vi.

Based on these interactions I see 4nxi3ty being Vi's "role partner"

-- if you've figured out who Vi is then you'll know what I mean -- and it sure seems that he's buddying with her (either as scumbuddy or as a setup if they're on opposing sides).

Point 3: Strawman argument of his own that shift is either distancing or buddying with both me and Ace.

/me begins thinking about who could be the other in Vi's group of three roles is.

He knows who Vi's role is, knows who Vi's partner role is (the role not the player for sure yet, although he has his suspicions) and wonders if the third has the initials ca

.

Riggs, do you have a reason of your own to vote for Ace? You haven't provided one.

And sotty, Crab -- thanks for the advice. Rest assured I don't say everything that's on my mind, but I do try to gather more information when I have questions.

Boy this game has a lot of different bandwagons. Here I just finished my analysis of the sotty vs. cc debate,

coming up with sotty being scummier than cc, only to find that now the leading bandwagon is on ace.

Time to read again.

Welcome, fishy, fishy, fishy, ooh!

Can someone explain the wagon on Ace for me?

Near as I can tell,

it's there because Ace defended CC. Vi voted for him and then sotty and 4nxi3ty sheeped. Riggs joined it because -- well, because sotty's on it and Ace thinks sotty is scum and bussing Ace.

Do I have that right? Because I don't see what the big deal is. Is there something I'm missing?

Why are you doing that?

4nxi3ty, I served with Vi, I knew Vi, Vi was a friend of mine. 4nxi3ty, you're no Vi.*

_{*disclaimer: I haven't actually played with Vi before. But I couldn't resist the quote.}

Speaking of Vi, who isn't speaking:

noun
1. a Muslim or Hindu religious ascetic or mendicant monk commonly considered a wonder-worker.
2. a member of any Islamic religious order; dervish.

You think he's a wonder-worker!

No, that can't be right. Must be some other meaning you're ascribing to it which I don't understand.

Nevertheless, I believe now that what you're saying is that Ace incriminated himself with his exchange as you displayed in

257.

So, to Ace. I do find this funny:

^good posting. I don't really agree with most of it

But I'm not seeing anything solidly scum, so I have no scum-read-reason to vote for him.

Having said that: I'm going to be V/LA -- more than V/LA, completely inaccessible -- starting a little less than 48 hours before day deadline, extending to sometime during game night. This means my vote's going to be locked in around that time and unchangeable, so I want it as right as possible before then.

Or, for the day to end before then. I'm starting to think at this point that a flip of -- several players -- would be quite illuminating. So if someone whose flip I think would be revealing gets to L-1, I'll probably be willing to hammer.

Confirm vote: 4nxi3ty

I highly suggest everyone else policy lynch him until he stops posting like that.

Unless Vi converted him?

the fact that his vote is currently on a suggested policy lynch speaks volumes

You understand it was there before that suggestion, right?

As to the rest, I'm just trying to be honest about my unavailability and letting people know that I will not at all be available at end of day. Since I like having input I'd rather be around at end of day and indicating my willingness to help end day a couple of days early so my vote is as well-placed as it can be. Right now it looks like it could move to end the day early if I put in on sotty or ace, and I think sotty's flip would reveal a ton more than ace, so I was tempted to move it, but the way bandwagons move around here so much I'd rather not move it off my top suspect just yet. There's still a few more real days until I have to be gone.

*looks back at 4nxi3ty with a completely blank look as if to say "

I have no idea at all what you're talking about or who the boss is but I think you having a boss means it's more likely that you're a goon and your boss is a scum leader*

It's the best I can do with whatever 4nxi3ty posted. I hate how I don't understand what people are saying in this game.

Vi's generally not a problem

, if something's not clear and she's asked about she usually explains it.

It's in particular 4nxi3ty

's lack of follow-up and explanation that's anti-town to me. It's like using a secret code and anyone who wants to do that is not, imo, helping town at all.

Plus there's all the confusion I get trying to understand "he" "she" "this" etc. when it's not clear to someone other than possibly the poster who they mean. As I've frutilessly pointed out before.

No one's moving votes?

Fine then. I think not enough people are going to be coming on my 4nxi3ty bandwagon, so time to move mine to

another scumspect

.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: sottyrulez

Vi? 295 should be 255. Also, you missed one.

however 227 is one of the most bizarre name mess-ups I've ever seen, I'm not sure how he could mix up me and 4nxi3ty in this context when we were on opposite poles of his wagon.

In any case,

what I take from this is that you think CC's slip is indicative that CC is scumbuddies with Ace. And SR and 4nxi3ty, the names intended by CC, are people the scumteam of CC and Ace were trying to get busses on 227-228.

Because I enjoy your RP, Vi, give us a show to answer? How about a card trick if yes and a rings trick if no?

You're kidding right? You seriously think that that post was a "push" for a policy lynch?

I'd been voting for you for most of the game. People weren't joining. Then you started posting annoyingly, so I suggested another reason to vote for you.

If you're town, you were a detriment to it then

. And you still are. To wit:

Ace's post you quoted has nothing to do with you. It was written after I moved my vote off you and onto sotty. Ace's vote at the time was on sotty. Shift's policy lynch he refers to was on spring for lurking.

There were actually

no votes at all for you

at the time that post written.

I don't think I've ever seen such a poorly-researched misrep.

I'm not saying you're scum, because I don't know who the scum is.

I have no way of knowing until someone flips or makes a clear mistake if they're scum.

I'm saying that

you're anti-town.

I'm also saying that

you're in the top two of my scumreads.

Why is this so hard for you to understand?

I'm suggesting some sort of connection between at least two of them if not all three. I lean towards SR/4nxi3ty being scum, possibly tagging onto Vi to make her look bad if one of them flips (although Vi's hooking of SR a few posts up makes it look like she's in on it at least as far as SR goes). They could all be connected town, though, too. That's one of the reasons, as I explained above, why I think flipping one of them would be very telling.

I am trying to gather more information, though, before I V/LA (a misnomer, once I'm gone I will have

no

access until I return), because I'm of course open to other scum possibilities. I just haven't seen enough anywhere else which gives me potential links, making other flips essentially random and barely informative.

why is everyone ignoring GNR?

Sounds like my cue to ISO! (I do so love ISOing requests.) And with 12 posts, this shouldn't take long.

First 5 posts: No content.

243: Presumes Ace and SR are scumbuddies because SR changed his vote to ace right after Vi did. So votes -- Ace? Weird.

245 and 246: Calls SR Crab by mistake and buddies up to Vi.

Wait what? How many times are people going to call other people by the wrong names in this game?

285 confirms his thought that SR is scum.

325 thinks 4nxi3ty's annoying town.

416 talks about spring and sees votes but not the reasons behind them.

Spring, I think everybody's ignoring GNR because he's not really doing anything. That's not necessarily scummy

.

Or,

rejoin the much more viable SR wagon. If you think GNR is scum, then you have to think SR's also scum from the way GNR treated him in

243.

@SR: The link is that GNR said "Hey Sotty! My vote isn't on Ace, but you're scum because you're bussing him! So I'm going to vote for him instead of you!" If GNR is scum that reads as "I'll support my scumbuddy who's voting for town, and tomorrow when he's not scum make up some excuse to get him off the hook.

Also I never said I think Vi is scum.[/b[ I said that you and 4nxi3ty were likely scum and were following her around for some reason (a behavior, BTW, which stopped after I pointed it out).

That leaves room for a third scum who could theoretically be GNR. And your flip would help confirm/deny those suspicions as well as the other ones I noted on CC, 4nxiety, possibly Vi, and now GNR

.

[4nxi3ty]

missed one quote

the fact that his vote is currently on a suggested policy lynch speaks volumes

You understand it was there before that suggestion, right?

As to the rest, I'm just trying to be honest about my unavailability and letting people know that I will not at all be available at end of day. Since I like having input I'd rather be around at end of day and indicating my willingness to help end day a couple of days early so my vote is as well-placed as it can be.

Right now it looks like it could move to end the day early if I put in on sotty or ace, and I think sotty's flip would reveal a ton more than ace

, so I was tempted to move it, but the way bandwagons move around here so much I'd rather not move it off my top suspect just yet. There's still a few more real days until I have to be gone.

[4nxi3ty]

your interpretation of someone is your stance on them.

silly rabbit tricks are for kids.

[4nxi3ty]

the main point of that post was to show the holes in his flow of logic, to point out his attitude towards certain players(in particular ace and riggs), and to show his suspicion of sotty/vi/me.

the reads saulres gave me had no mention of sotty, had no reads on ace or riggs, and vi is now town while i am scum even though we were tied together based on sottyrulez flip. saul hasn't even discussed the flips today aside from "i was disappointed in springlullaby's lynch".

yesterday his attitude towards both riggs and ace- saul is not quite sure of their alignment yet their not scummy enough to pressure(looking at the posts you might even say he has townreads on them). today, according to saul, riggs is flailing scum. also, whenever i get into a discussion with ace he jumps in and decides to pressure me by calling me scum.

there are a few other interesting things going on in those quotes that i don't care to go into at this time.

[4nxi3ty]

XD this day just got better.

luxury needs to go into detail about why an sk lynch is more profitable than a scum lynch( silly rabbit).

ace, do you want to know why i asked for a name claim or why i thought spring was a vt, i will only answer one question from you.

[4nxi3ty]

huh? is this^ in response to cc or ace vs me?

[4nxi3ty]

^^that's not shift he doesn't' talk like that and his scumdar is broken(silly rabbit).

i've changed my mind ace only gets one question for the rest of the game.

is this post best best blatantly anti-town and pointless enough for you to lynch me?

[4nxi3ty]

if you don't like that post try this one:

which is the best lynch?
-a scum read
-a sk read
-or an anti-town read

[4nxi3ty]

good answer, do you see why i haven't voted for you yet?

how come you narrowed it down to four and not three?

i thought there was only two mafia and a sk?

[4nxi3ty]

okay so it would be impossible for all four to be scum, who is most likely to be town?

[4nxi3ty]

In both scenarios, Locke is scum.

Unvote Vote: Locke Lamora

? locke is a null read, the only reason to say he is scum is lack of activity.

[4nxi3ty]

well i'm gonna claim now since waiting for the inevitable L-1 is pointless.

i am Cyril Takayama and i am a VT.

so atleast scum aren't mislynching a power role

i recommend roleblocking/watching ace, luxury, saulres, or crab canon.

[4nxi3ty]

^silly rabbit

some advice: the more scum call someone a village idiot the riskier it is to night kill them leaving a mislynch as the only option.

[4nxi3ty]

i never said you were wrong, how is claiming vt detrimental to town?

[4nxi3ty]

true but you have failed to take into consideration that the prs have already outed themselves. your logic has been skewed this game by your preconcieved notions of there being a right and a wrong way to play mafia.

[4nxi3ty]

you could be right ,i could be wrong.

i believe it is irrelevant given the current state of the game.

[4nxi3ty]

let's look at it this way:

given my posts this game i highly doubt scum think i am a pr so im just giving them information they already have whereas town get more info from the reactions( or lack thereof) to my claim.

[4nxi3ty]

meh this is disappointing let's move on, you two have fun for the next two of days

[4nxi3ty]

riggs was the piece that didn't fit with my puzzle, i am no longer confident in my reads so i will be taking a step back today and will probably vote the most viable wagon. anyone is welcome to ask me questions.

since a lot people don't want to take the time to translate vi i'll give it a go.

Ah, ok.

In that case, I think that Vi should make a post in the

G_N_R QT

saying exactly what she doesn't like about him there - it seems important to her case on him.

*points to ace5993*
*points to ace5993 a few more times*
*raises both hands, palms up*
*twitches eyebrow way up*

it is suspicious that fishy only wanted vi to post in gnr's qt and not ace's.

If

G_N_R

doesn't relay it, we lynch him.

*lightly bats the air in front of me*

fishy is lightly pushing gnr lynch.

VOTE: Anxiety

Also,

I'm partially claiming

. I roleblocked

Anxiety

last night. Given two BPs and the SR kill, I'm strongly suspecting scum missed their kill last night - I doubt we only have one kill, and I doubt the scum would shoot SR. Me blocking Anxiety isn't the only explanation for a missed kill - Vi being shot at by

a scumteam not including GNR

is the other obvious one - but it's certainly one explanation, and that makes him more likely scum.

It also makes him a much better lynch than GNR. Because if GNR is scum, then scum wouldn't shoot at Vi (or indeed GNR)

, and so we need another explanation for a missed kill.

*sees wagon rolling toward me*
*catches wagon*
*pushes wagon in direction other than its original direction*

fishy sees wagon gaining momentum so he pushes it towards me.

*lurks*

*nods*

fishy has been lurking since than.

this is only my interpretation so it would be nice if vi could confirm.

[4nxi3ty]

vi, can i get a summary of rigg's qt for both day one and day two?

[4nxi3ty]

you know whats really funny, everyone has been ignoring sylvia browne's flavor... hmmm...

[4nxi3ty]

ROFL the mafia and the town share an uncontrollable kill The Tiger, brilliant flavor.

[4nxi3ty]

not two kills only one hence semi-killess lawl

[4nxi3ty]

Vi there is only one problem with your scumteam theory; the case on fishy is only contingent on riggs being scum, there is no connection to amrun or saulres. i could be wrong but i think an alternative solution might fit better.

[4nxi3ty]

i don't see how nameclaims can help scum, aren't they more benificial to town who can compare and contrast claims?

saulres explain in-depth why you chose to kill sottyrulez; also who you submitted a kill on night two and why.

[4nxi3ty]

if amrun only has a passive ability that just says "you are amazing" i can see why she claimed vt.

Things I haven't claimed:
- My name.
- Whether my roleblock is constrained in any way.
- Whether I have any other powers.

fishy never exactly said he had other abilities just hinted that he could have others.

since both amrun and fishy's actions are close to being contradictions they should be scrutinized but keep in mind a contradiction does not always indicate that someone is scum.

[4nxi3ty]

Saulres, from the information you gave me you think sottyrulez was a good kill because:
1.cc won the argument against him giving you town vibes on cc and scumvibes on sotty.
2.sottyrulez would provide more information than ace
3.you also wanted info on the sotty/vi/anxiety group

after all this time you still haven't explained what you learned from that flip, and you still haven't explained why you chose to kill ace. please give me an in-depth explaination of what you learned from both day one and daytwo flips.

[4nxi3ty]

of course i am tunneling you, your my only read that i am still confident in after riggs flipped scum. and now your convinced that fishy is telling the truth that he successfully roleblocked me when less than 24 hours ago you were ready to put fishy at
L-1... this is the kind of contradiction that indicates a scummy mindset.

vote: saulres

jesus christ can we lynch this guy already and take away the kill from the mafia, junpei if you still want to kill me to confirm my alignment i am okay with that.

[4nxi3ty]

And you know what? I don't think the setup would allow for one of us to be killed early on and leave the tiger useless. I'm betting on if only one of our orders goes through, then the tiger follows them. And if that's true, Fishy's lying about blocking.

Fishy

: I'm going to put you at L-1 in roughly 12 hours. I suggest you full-claim as soon as you get a chance. Especially the name.

ebwop: correction- less than 25 hours ago.

[4nxi3ty]

are you kidding me??? i am getting pissed off by you constantly wanting to lynch/kill me and saying i am useless yet i can still think logically. that unvote was just as scummy as saying you were going to put fishy at L-1 eventhough the day 3 just started.

[4nxi3ty]

cc since the order isn't necessary do you mind nameclaiming?

[4nxi3ty]

exactly my thoughts, ty.

[4nxi3ty]

^hmmm the whole game is more important, is rigg's flip the main reason for your reads?

[4nxi3ty]

^hmmm the whole game is more important, is rigg's flip the main reason for your reads?

hehehee... luxury those were some very nice gems such a convenient glow from them.

i have a theory of why riggs never flipped penn, would like to test the validity of it sometime this weekend.

[4nxi3ty]

please don't insult people; i was never forcing you to answer it, just posted it again cause i thought you hadn't noticed it. i thought it was a new question maybe not... who knows.

[4nxi3ty]

let me start by saying that i know this theory is a bit of a stretch but keep in mind this is a game of illusions and magic tricks. also, this is the only way i can make sense of my reads.

first off my read of gnr before the flip was that of a newb townie who was having trouble keeping up with both the thread and his qt. after he flipped scum looking back the only indication of his scumminess was lack of activity similar to springlullaby and what vi said about his qt.

I have a feeling that at this point, no matter what I do, I'm still getting lynched. I also know that Saulres is probably looking forward to hammering me, so...

VOTE: Guy_Named_Riggs

Spoiler: post lynch notes

Well, I guess that's a lynch. Congrats to you guys for catching scum. As it was pointed out, I was newbscum. Well done. I didn't think it would be that hard to play scum in this game, but I learned differently. Oh well, now I know what to improve for next time. Thanks for the good game and sorry you had to deal with me like that. Good Luck Scum!!!

and Vi, I thought you would have acted differetnly since we had that QT together. Guess I was wrong.

the timing of this self hammer has been bugging me ever since it happened, the tone of it has more elation than a sad bah moment. it reads like "You caught me! I'm scum!Town is awesome!!!"

and moments before that self-hammer there was this claim:

Maybe if you had read my ISO more carefully, you would have seen I already claimed.

But just to reillistrate...

I am Penn Jillette, An American magician/comedian. i work with Teller. I have a 1-shot Bullet proof scenario due to my illusion called the Bullet Catch Trick. And I am Pro-Town.

there's my claim.

this post has overtures of anger. i don't see how you can go from anger to joy when there really wasn't much of a response to his claim. likewise i find it odd that he self-hammered before anybody had a chance to believe his claim.

than there is the reveal of sylvia browne. how is this person the godfather of the scumteam, supposedly the biggest threat to town? flavorwise i don't get why sylvia browne would have a fakeclaim of penn jillette, isn't penn and teller suppose to be the ultimate good guys of this game? also when looking at sylvia browne's wiki i noticed that most of her claims have been proven false.

my theory is that scum had an ability to write the last post of someone's game and provide a false reveal.

wether or not this is correct, my only read that is not affected by it is saulres. so please do me a favor, re-read his posts and vote accordingly.

the rest of my reads are up in the air and contingent on the next flip.

[4nxi3ty]

Yeah.....that's going to be the stupidest 'theory' that I've ever heard but it's actually strengthened my town-read on you surprisingly enough. Also, I don't see any particular need to draw or drag this day out at all. At this point I'm convinced that lynching Fishy and having Amrun vigged will net us two scum or at worst one.

Now I'm really going to try and get some sleep.

yeh... i know how ridiculous it sounds, but it is the only way i can think of that fits with my reads. so if it is wrong than almost all my day one and day two reads are wrong which is starting to look more likely.

[4nxi3ty]

well this is concerning some of my reads have been dead on while others way off, not gonna waste my time pushing a lynch since i have very little credibility.

i recommend investigating junpei or saulres since the kill nature has changed or luxury but thats for my own sanity.

[4nxi3ty]

not sure, it is the second kill that bothers me.

[4nxi3ty]

^lol scumslip? i was already rolecopped.

[4nxi3ty]

@junpei

yeah i guess forgetting that i was rolecopped isn't exactly a scumslip, i still don't understand how being roleblocked one night makes me scum especially when luxury had townreads on me yesterday.

[4nxi3ty]

@4nxi3ty: Being blocked on N1 when scum didn't kill anyone puts you high in the running for scum

considering we also had someone with bulletproof i'd say its more like 50/50

[4nxi3ty]

if people are gonna listen to saulres' scum/sk theory bullshit i am seriously doe with this game.

[4nxi3ty]

i am soooooooooooo done with this game, just lynch me and end this torment; sotty and zach were the only people who had any sort of faith in me this game.

once i flip town look at why cc(a claimed vt) doesn't want to be investigated.

[4nxi3ty]

is that a policy vote or scum vote?

[4nxi3ty]

Snake, what's the flavor of your cop ability?

Meanwhile, while looking at the VCA I got distracted. I'm going to try something.

4nxi3ty says he walked away from this game but didn't request replacement. He's been actively posting in other games but it seems he's given up on this one and asked us to lynch him. If that's his town play then I think that's sufficient grounds for sanctions against him for not playing to his win condition. I think the threat of sanctions is generally a strong enough incentive for town to request replacement rather than shit on the game, so I have to assume his play is a scum AtE.

vote: 4nxi3ty

"Oh Look At Me I Can Do VCA To Make Myself Seem Like A Proactive Townie.. Wait A Second... I Have To Insult 4nxi3ty First.. Hopefully This Gets A Reaction And We Can Lynch Him For AtE"

-please don't provoke me.

[4nxi3ty]

If that's his town play then I think that's sufficient grounds for sanctions against him for not playing to his win condition. I think the threat of sanctions is generally a strong enough incentive for town to request replacement rather than shit on the game

give me a reason not to be.

[4nxi3ty]

@saulres, i don't fucking care if you cleared your attack with the pope himself, it is a cheap play no matter what you say. i haven't lurked this whole game and i had no intention of starting; i have simply given up on trying to make sense of this god damn mess. what i am going to do, is place my vote on a scumread at the end of the day.

[4nxi3ty]

Riggs, let me get this straight... You think the scumteam is ace, crab canon, and sottyrulez?

Not Crabcannon.

My thoughts on 4nxi3ty

After reading through his ISO, I have a null read on him. He seems scummy, but has attempted to scumhunt (better than me anyways) but he seems to have only ISOd Saul. This strikes me as scum tunneling town, or possible bus. I'll figure that out after I read Saul's ISO.

vote: Crabcannon

[4nxi3ty]

You guys do realize that we were the ones that helped turn the tables on GNR after things started to swing away from him, right?

actually you voted for gnr after ace had already unvoted my wagon and changed to gnr(see post 907). things were starting to swing towards gnr.

[4nxi3ty]

your right about helping lynch him but i am not gonna rule out the possibility of bussing.

also you lied about pushing the lynch after things swayed away from gnr:

You guys do realize that we were the ones that helped turn the tables on GNR after things started to swing away from him

you pushed the lynch after my wagon died, evidence by ace's 907 post.

[4nxi3ty]

lie #2:

Our vote was the lynch pin that greatly shifted the momentum.

evidence:

I don't like this Anxiety lynch at all to be honest, his attitude and early claim both read as town-tells.

Vi, I'm more than happy with a Riggs lynch but there seems to be a lack of support for it

Crab, I would love an explanation behind your Locke town read along with the rest of your reads when you're done sorting out your disagreement.

I would ask if you can give Ace a note/post about your thoughts on our Riggs

*nods!*

-SK

*throws both hands up*
*gets rope*

LOL 853.

I don't know about you but I'd rather take my chances with Riggs than Anxiety. I know I've said I wave a white flag and cry when I draw scum, but this is Riggs almost literally doing so inthread.

I'd rather go with Riggs today since 4nxi3ty's claim doesn't read scum to me.

Unvote: Vote:Guy_Named_Riggs

GNR - This is another slot we are having a hard time getting on the same page about. D1, Baltar thought he was mostly noob town and Juls thought he was scum. Juls lost some interest in GNR today, finding him noob town. Have to say he's a tough read. There are times when he looks pretty competent and is pressuring people. Other times he is completely lost and gets emotional (voting himself). It is possible that GNR is just floundering this game. Vi having a scum read on him in close quarters still weighs heavy, and he made excuses for not posting everything when clearly asked to do so. That seemed likely intentional. Overall he falls on the scummy and would be a good lynch to sort things out as well.

unvote, vote: guy name riggs

momentum had already shifted from me to riggs.

[4nxi3ty]

scummy evidence #3(parts edited for emphasis):

*

points fist of imminent death at Guy_Named_Riggs

*

If Sotty were to flip scum GNR would be my number one target.

I would be willing to get on a ace, sotty, or Junpei wagon today. I might consider a saulres wagon but it's awful late to start that up.

-d1

*eyebrow lower*
*

votes for Guy_Named_Riggs

*

Vote: GNR

@Vi - my biggest hangup with GNR*edit* Why would he do that as scum? Why would he malign his name with your words if he's scum?

Anxiety is scum too, imo.

-d2

vi clearly was going to push gnr's lynch so you vote too but than imply he could be town cause "why would scum do that?"

also, gnr is still your number one target despite sottyrulez flipping town?

confirm vote: cc

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lie #4:

D1, Baltar thought he was mostly noob town and Juls thought he was scum.

the thing you're missing there is that Juls was wary of the GNR lynch. She had the stronger feelings of his towniness on D1. I (VP) thought he was scum and placed that initial vote.

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lie #5:

Here is the order of things from our QT:

Early D1 - both juls and VP are present. VP initially thinks GNR is bumbling idiot town, Juls thinks he's scummy.
Late D1 - VP is persuaded by the arguments Juls makes against GNR and agrees with her he is scummy. Juls has a change of heart and begins to think he's town. VP leaves to drive 3000 miles, juls takes over the hydra alone.

-this implies you and juls were talking about gnr early d1.

GNR did not come up in any of our conversations (probably because VP didn't notice him).

-this quote happened in the middle of d1 after vp leaves to move and juls takes over.

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#5:

Here is the order of things

from our QT:

Early D1 - both juls and VP are present. VP initially thinks GNR is bumbling idiot town, Juls thinks he's scummy.
Late D1 - VP is persuaded by the arguments Juls makes against GNR and agrees with her he is scummy. Juls has a change of heart and begins to think he's town. VP leaves to drive 3000 miles, juls takes over the hydra alone.

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scummy evidence #6:

I think you guys need to give a little understanding to the extraneous circumstances here.

I don't know if he's just this bad at mafia or he's trying to distract from himself after he had his hissy fit. but his stupidity here is grating on my nerves.

AtE after being caught instead of pointing where i am wrong and moving on to scumhunt.

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scummy evidence #7:

I clearly laid out the most logical explanation for why GNR needed to die more than anyone else, I articulated the clearest case against him.

no, it fucking had not shifted. everything shifted after my case and vote. you can post whatever snippets you like. look at the reactions after my vote.

No matter what you say here, you cannot refute I had the biggest case on him apart from Vi and my vote lead to the domino effect that resulted in his lynch. You can argue semantics about it all day, not gonna change those facts.

Honestly, I don't even get what you're trying to argue. my case was perfectly clear on GNR. you're acting like it wasn't. Reads can waver, but I couldn't have been more clear from my lynching vote about my feelings on everyone in the game and why GNR was the best choice.

Please explain to me what is happening that shows any kind of scum motivation here? Do you believe we didn't play a part in the GNR lynch?

i never said his case was wrong or unclear, i only showed that it was scummy because he chose to push gnr's lynch after luxury, vi, and ace had already said they would rather lynch gnr than me.

All of this was made clear throughout the thread, but I understand you're slow and probably can't keep up with the timeline. I hope this clarifies your "lies" for you, so you can stop making idiotic accusations that make zero sense. kthx

p.edit - I really got to stop playing with noobs. I'm sorry, I like you guys, but you're not making any effort to actually follow this game and it's quite irritating.

@Salures - if my memory of the timeline is slightly blurry, please forgive it because there was a ton going on at that time.

and lynching a VT over poor timeline reasoning is only going to make things worse.

-saying i can't keep up with the timeline and than wanting forgiveness for his own blurry vision of the timeline

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scummy evidence #8:

refusing to provide specific examples and continually trying to discredit me by implying that i am dumb

confirm vote: cc

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he has not provided specific examples of why my case wrong; instead he gives reasons such as hydra dissonance, forgetfulness, and me being dumb(no evidence as to why i am slow)

whereas i have provided specific events in the timeline of this game. his only event was the gnr case.

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ebwop: instead he gives general

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i never said you didn't push gnr's, i said you were scum because of the timing of your push.

i would much rather be called scum than dumb.

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Riggs, let me get this straight... You think the scumteam is ace, crab canon, and sottyrulez?

Not Crabcannon.

4nxi3ty, was this your driving force to start pushing for a CC lynch?

gnr being reluctant to label cc as scum is a minor factor, there were many; the main ones being the 1v1 with sottyrulez, your provocation, and cc's bus of gnr.

side note: anybody thinks that amrun is scum because of her defense of gnr needs to look at post 261. her pressure indicates more town motivation than scum.

scummy evidence #9:

I'm back suckas.

Anxiety is scum too, imo.

Anxiety lynch would be alright.

If I didn't have a town read on you, I'd think you're scum.

-these posts were written by vp.

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You are intentionally selective quoting stuff. These quotes are not hard to find at all. That's scummy and malarkey.

In terms of me saying I would lynch you or Amrun today, yes that's true. Even if I have a town read on you, it doesn't mean I'm correct. I think there is most likely to be scum hiding in the VT claims. You and Amrun are the most suspect in that group to me because Luxury looks way more town than you do. Ergo, you getting the rope isn't the worst thing in the world, even if I'm not confident that you're scum like I am with Amrun.

yes i am selective quoting cause i want to only bring up the points that are relevant to my case and not irrelevant fluff.

you are being very non-commital with your read of me. if you have a townread on me you should be trying to prove to me why junpei(a scumread of yours) or amrun is scum, instead you deflect only to amrun(one of the easiest lynches) and say she is the best lynch because of only one point(the vt claim)

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[quote="In post 1366, "Crab Canon"] That's you actively trying to skew facts.

You can look at the quotes above to see how Anxiety is trying to spin it negatively when it's not.[/quote]
objection! we have already established that twisting someone's words is an invalid arguement, if this is going to be allowed than both mine and sottyrulez' points should be as well:

We liked Anxiety for reasons stated about Shift and for his vote on CC. We believe CC is overstating the OMG MOD KILL danger Vi was in. I don't know how much clearer we can be there and yet still Crab wants to get all twisty with it.

yup cc behaviour recently has been more about turning the argument on the person pressuring them, than actually scumhunting.

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in the time spent arguing with me you could've provided a simple timeline proving your innocence but instead you chose to discredit me.

in response to your dense comment i refer you to the second half of evidence#8.

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I've shot holes in every part of your argument

The most telling thing about the entire interaction is that they persisted in the face of their case being shot full of holes.

-same general defense used on sotty. this time i refer you to the first half of evidence#8


i would also like to point out these gems:

I also don't think saying they misrepresented something is a buzzword either because I backed it up with a quote from me that pretty much contradicts what they claimed I said.

Using buzzwords like semantics argument and strawmanning without providing concrete examples of how I am doing those things is different from what you are saying there.

I've directly quoted what I said and expressed how it is completely clear. Unless you can do the same, you're just puffing hot air.

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I've shot holes in every part of your argument

also, you have it backwards. i am the one who is attacking, you are defending. i am the one who has been revealing the holes. your only counter-points have been insinuating that i am of inferior intelligence and that i have been misrepresenting your posts via selective quoting and negative spinning

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i was showing that cc wanted sotty to provide specific examples with quotes, when i ask for the same thing he is the one being antagonistic and i am the one misrepresenting posts, which is a double standard that indicates a scummy mindset.

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ebwop:"misrepresenting posts "

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>anx: "here is a reason why your scum"
>cc:"your wrong cause you can't follow the timeline"
>jun:"can you give me a timeline?"
>anx:"here is another reason unrelated to the gnr timeline"
>cc:"your wrong cause your dumb and omg misrep"
>anx:"you could write a

simple

timeline instead of discrediting me"
>cc:"no im busy"
>anx:"you haven't provided specific counter-points to any of my arguments including the timeline"

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you are being very non-commital with your read. you deflect to amrun(one of the easiest lynches) and say she is the best lynch because of only one point(the vt claim)

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Thanks for the timeline Juls. As you guys can clearly see, there was a logical progression of our thought process toward the GNR lynch. We had some trouble syncing up in our reads, but it was hardly flip flopping out of the blue...and this was all said in thread too. Hopefully going into more detail will end this useless cul-de-sac of a discussion so we can get back on track to lynching scum here.

the really isn't a problem with reads changing or hydra's disagreeing, the main problem is that today vp baltar made numerous statements that directly contradict earlier actions and posts.

another problem is the timeline juls presented. there is no way for us to verify that what you are saying is actually in the qt, i would much rather have posts from in the thread that show this change of thought process. in addition, i saw nothing in the timeline that explains why you waited til

after luxury, vi, and ace said they wanted to lynch gnr

to push his lynch; all i saw in the timeline was you trying to present an unprovable defense of this particular contradiction:

D1, Baltar thought he was mostly noob town and Juls thought he was scum.

the thing you're missing there is that Juls was wary of the GNR lynch. She had the stronger feelings of his towniness on D1. I (VP) thought he was scum and placed that initial vote.

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Thanks for the timeline Juls. As you guys can clearly see, there was a logical progression of our thought process toward the GNR lynch. We had some trouble syncing up in our reads, but it was hardly flip flopping out of the blue...and this was all said in thread too. Hopefully going into more detail will end this useless cul-de-sac of a discussion so we can get back on track to lynching scum here.

the really isn't a problem with reads changing or hydra's disagreeing, the main problem is that today vp baltar made numerous statements that directly contradict earlier actions and posts.

another problem is the timeline juls presented. there is no way for us to verify that what you are saying is actually in the qt, i would much rather have posts from in the thread that show this change of thought process. in addition, i saw nothing in the timeline that explains why you waited til

after luxury, vi, and ace said they wanted to lynch gnr

to push his lynch; all i saw in the timeline was you trying to present an unprovable defense of this particular contradiction:

D1, Baltar thought he was mostly noob town and Juls thought he was scum.

the thing you're missing there is that Juls was wary of the GNR lynch. She had the stronger feelings of his towniness on D1. I (VP) thought he was scum and placed that initial vote.

keep moving those goal posts darlin'

You were just harping about the timeline, now you get it and you're trying to cycle back to your original argument. My point (which was already stated) was that Vi is the only person other than us that was after GNR more. Our case was the most substantial and we feel it was the tipping point that sealed his lynch. Ace gave no case whatsoever, and Luxury wasn't that forceful about what he said either. It was our substantial case that brought in the votes that sealed his fate. You're welcome to disagree with our interpretation, but don't sit there and act like we had nothing to do with it when we clearly did. capiche?

i have already agreed that your case helped push the lynch, it is the timing of your push that bothers me.

you are still avoiding the main issue by continually harping about your own gnr case.

it is like you think that one case will absolve all of your actions.

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lie #4:

D1, Baltar thought he was mostly noob town and Juls thought he was scum.

the thing you're missing there is that Juls was wary of the GNR lynch. She had the stronger feelings of his towniness on D1. I (VP) thought he was scum and placed that initial vote.

GREAT catch, 4nxi3ty! That's the kind of scumslip I like to see, when they know enough about their story to remember the gist, but get a key detail wrong.

Vote: CC

well, are you gonna support me or not? depending upon your answer i may continue to ignore you.

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sure i don't see a reason not to.

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cause i like the theme, i want to keep playing.

[4nxi3ty]

nope

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nice trick question, a lot better than the ones you used at the start.
1)no i am not a survivalist
2)somewhat confident
3)yes
4)yes

let me know when you have a better read of me.

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which question did you want answered?

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okay now i am confused, was this whole 'im gonna vote cc' just a way for you to justify your scumread. did you ever have doubts about my alignment? you do know i have a town read on you? is this really originating from me not answering your questions? if it helps clear things up i can answer them now or explain why i didn't answer them than?

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hello where'd you go?

hmm is amrun right about you?

[4nxi3ty]

hello where'd you go?

hmm is amrun right about you?

[4nxi3ty]

srry for the multiposts my phone messed up.

[4nxi3ty]

ah k i just thought you wanted more clarity on the previous question.

its a combination of the flavor and wanting to win that outweighs.

now if you could answer one question whose the better lynch, me or cc?

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*anx*~hmm is junpei scum?

*cc and saul*~we are considering lynching junpei. amrun, join us.

confirm vote: cc

[4nxi3ty]

^

*join us... join us*

[4nxi3ty]

^

*snake, join ussssssss...*

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Anxiety is probably town here...which is annoying since I'm sure the scum will leave him around to fuck up lylo anyhow.

if i make it to lylo, i am going to self-hammer.

trawlala.

silly rabbit in the mirror.

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i sincerely hope this is the last time you insult my intellect.

[4nxi3ty]

open your eyes and follow the rabbit.

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...sigh. you do know had no intention of self-hammering?

if i wanted to self-hammer i would've done it the other day when i was still pissed.

if it really offends you, i apologize. was just having fun.

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also since were on the subject of attitude, if you agree to stop calling me an idiot i will agree to no longer make jokes. fair?

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i am under the impression that the majority of people think i'm not being any sort of help to town; so if people have suggestions on how to fix this to improve my playstyle, i am more than willing to listen.

here is a list of my currrent reads in case anybody was wondering:

town

snakeplissken
amrun

null leaning town

junpei

null

luxury

null leaning scum

saulres

scum

carb canon

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saulres has been incredibly inconsistent throughout the game and i get the feeling he hasn't been scumhunting and has only been posting to look like a townie,

i am most unpleased because i have asked to not be called dumb multiple times in this game and yet cc has continued to do so. emotion aside, i saw major holes in cc's flow of events.

i do not care to continue either of these conversations as they seem to have become a distraction, i would much rather wait to see what snake says and move on from there.

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@snake

i think voting amrun is a mistake. i have been getting a bored/annoyed town vibe from her all game.

[4nxi3ty]

seems to be entirely based on hammer speculation.

[4nxi3ty]

can someone explain the junpei case to me? thank you in advance.

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@snake:

Read the freaking game.

I already explained.

I'm DONE explaining.

I think it's Junpei + one from the VT pool.

this is why i think amrun is town. she has been in a similar situation as me this game where very few people are willing to listen to her, and she has shown a similar frustration.

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@amrun:

I'm having sudden gut siezings over Crab Canon, whose vote should be on Junpei right now but is not.

hurry, switch over to the cc wagon before it is too late.


@saulres:

GREAT catch, 4nxi3ty! That's the kind of scumslip I like to see, when they know enough about their story to remember the gist, but get a key detail wrong.

Vote: CC

now is your time to shine, no else is going to vote snake today.

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*facepalm* * *

Just because I think Anxiety is scum does not mean that I cannot believe he would bus, or cannot follow his logic. If someone posts something that makes sense to me, I will accept it, and he did. I do not go "but you're scummy so stfu ur wrong automatically". The case was compelling at first, saulres also went with it, but like saulres I eventually backed off it because it didn't seem ideal to me anymore, and I liked your response. You have Saulres down as extremely town, so this should be relevant to you.

Also, if these are your major reasons for suspecting me, then why are they all so recent? I thought that I have been scummy to you the whole game pretty much, shouldn't there be more historic links?

you were so close.

why oh why did you have to get distracted by nk/setup speculation.

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Anxiety, have you read and thought about the Junpei case we made upon your request?

My major reasons for suspecting Junpei are:

1) Meta - I played with Junpei-town in a newbie game and he was relentless to the point of alienating even the town. He was very obvious town too. Here, not so much. He seems timid and acts like a follower. Not a leader (as he tried to be in his newbie game).

sounds reasonable, however, i can neither confirm nor deny this point because i haven't played with junpei.

2) He jumps around and as I said above seems to follow. Today has been a prime example.

In 1236 he votes Anxiety. Then, in 1324 he follows Anxiety's case and votes us. Then he unvotes because he is content with our case but puts us back at L-1 in 1410 to entertain Anxiety. Then he revotes Anxiety in 1416. That sequence of posts was very obvious that he needed an excuse to jump back over to Anxiety since he knew he wasn't going to be able to pick apart our timeline.

This is just one example of having significant swings in reads. Not to mention that he chose Amrun as his kill choice last night. What? You come in voting us and Anxiety but your kill choice was Amrun?

this doesn't make sense. saulres' reads and votes have been infinitely more swingy and jumpy, yet saul is 'extremely town while junpei is scum'.

3) The claim. It doesn't make sense. First night they both targetted Sotty and they died. Second night Junpei shot Anxiety and Saulres shot Fishy (but was blocked). So this proves that Junpei cannot kill alone and that potentially they have to be on the same target, right? Well wait, then there is night 3 where saulres stated in thread he was going after Anxiety yet Junpei targetted Amrun. Both were unblocked as far as we know and they targetted different people...but Vi died!!!! This seems like a pretty swingy role or something is missing. If we assume they have to target the same person for them to die then why was there a kill last night on someone that neither of them targetted. Saulres is clearly town and Junpei is very scummy so if it were a scum-town pairing then Junpei would be the scum.

this is a lot of nk/setup speculation which has the tendency to get wifomy. this point doesn't hold as much weight as your others.

4) The huge-mega-big-deal he made about "hydra dissonance". Seriously? It really read as reaching to me.

i can see how making a big deal out of hydra dissonance could be considered scummy but junpei seems to have genuine distastes towards hydras. in this instance i think it is a nulltell to his alignment.

overall i think this case lacks sufficient evidence to warrant a lynch this close to end-game. the only reason i can think of for wanting his lynch is to give the kill solely to saulres.