NY 142: Rolling in the Deep, WAIT WAT? PARTY OVER?!

[Beck]

I should be back from my v/la by this weekend but since I'm checking in

vote: Shattered viewpoint

I prefer my viewpoints un-shattered.

[Beck]

Vote Sorgster

Policy lynch go.

I actually agree with a policy lynch but not that one

Vote: zdenek

let's policy lynch the person who suggested the policy lynch

[Beck]

If there's anyone I'd consider PLing in this game, it's you, Beck.

You have an issue with me or rockstars?

Right now you remind me of parama for some reason, and that's not a compliment.

[Beck]

Oh I remember you now, the game where mafia didn't submit a NK but the mod took a comment and turned it into one? Yeah it deserves an asterisk cause mafia flaked and didn't submit a NK.

That happened in another game I played and the mod processed it as a no action sent.

It's called integrity, I'm sure that mod is a good person but violated the integrity of the game IMO.

And parama from my experience is not an excellent player, more like a conceited asshat

[Beck]

If what you guys say is true

UNVOTE: whoever
VOTE: Beck

For whining about a game that has no bearing on this one.

you have reading problems? pine brought up the game as reason to pl me, I didn't bring it up and whine about it.

Vote: Revenus

for mis-repping me

[Beck]

Serious note: Can someone explain the proposed lynch on DavidParker? Sounds similar to the attitudes I recall about Deity Kabuto.

Lynching DK is always the right thing to do.

Ok next you called me arrogant, which implies I think I'm good and I show it but I have never claimed to be good, even have admitted I'm not that great on this site yet. Plus that game was my 2nd game on site iirc so I was still learning the ways of MS

Useless? That's subjective

Intolerable? Again subjective.

Since that game I feel my play has improved as I have toned back my aggression. I hope to demonstrate my improvements each game I play, I feel like this should be my best game yet if I don't get distracted, so with that being said I'm done discussing that game cause it's pointless and it's distracting from this game.

I like the point made about TheA, it's sort of the same reason I'm voting revenous, he votes hiraki but says he meant to vote zde, when somebody mentions he should unvote he makes a lame terrorist joke instead of actually un-voting.

He than jumps on me for another lame reason.

[Beck]

what do you make of someone who does not correct a mistake and instead rolls with it? do you find it townie or scummy?

Personally it's null, but combine all his posts so far and it's a good place for my vote.

[Beck]

has Mr. Parker even confirmed yet?

No posts from him is quite troubling.

Revenous, I don't need a list of reads, but your next post contain some sort of game content.

And can I suggest not giving mafia any info to help them? These "lists" of town to scum reads just gives mafia a better idea who to target and who to keep alive, plus they usually aren't useful. I'd rather the energy spent on making a case on 1 or 2 people.

That's all I got for now.

[Beck]

Lists help who figure out the game?

If making a list helps you, fine make a list and keep it private, the whole world doesn't need to see it.

Your list isn't going to help me figure out who I think is town or not nor should somebody elses list help you decide.


And beck won't be doing anything of the sort, so no need to worry.

Back to post 63, I said I don't want a list of reads, not sure why you asked me that when I specifically said I didn't need that, I just wanted something other than joke posts to help me read you better

I don't like how you excuse theamateur's play when he hasn't even done anything like you suggest he will do.

[Beck]

explain policy lynch

go

Neruzian era mafia, post 1531.

I just read it, I don't get why it deserves a pl?

[Beck]

you guys do realise that he obv played terrible like this in the game which was quoted? its pretty null...

And theA is also a bad player but you want him lynched instead, why?

vote: zde

Back on the wagon I started.

[Beck]

What's funny is your story actually makes more sense than your vote.

[Beck]

Pine The only thing aggressive from me is my scum hunting and i haven't distracted anyone. As for the case on zde, usually when people dont understand things, they would typically ask questions to try and understand. Clearly you have no interest in finding out the reasons or you would have asked about it already.

I don't like slandar's constant attempt to diffuse a wagon on zde, wagons are useful, this one is turning out to be useful.

[Beck]

So for anyone playing at home, here is why I'm voting zde

1. Suggesting a PL to begin with
2. The fact he pointed to a rather weak reason for said PL
3. The fact that he votes the first person who questions him and his reason for his PL vote.

Interesting enough that's the same number of posts he has so far.

If he was joking like he claimed, he wouldn't have pinpointed the exact post number in a game, unless he had it memorized, he obviously had to go find the post.

Plus, the vote on pops, who made a content filled post in response to the PL suggestion, draws such a reaction he felt needed to vote him, not once trying to point out what was wrong with pops's post, just writes it off as "blathering"

This isn't town motivated behavior, and as such I'm thinking he needs more pressure and quite possibly lynched.

[Beck]

if I thought he did that as a throw away thinking nobody would really pay much attention to it than yes I could see scum make that comment, especially because there would always be somebody like you to point out that he could take heat.

for right now though he is good for some pressure, much better than the reason you are pointing out.

[Beck]

Because I'm here.

Check the sig, dude.

I lol'd seriously, if spyrex didn't already have it wrapped up, i'd nom you for funniest player based on this comment

[Beck]

DK isn't even in this game, but yeah if he is I'd PL him super hard

That being said, he isn't in this game so a suggested PL on player based on another game which zde tried to do, isn't going to fly. Plus he isn't going to get lynched most likely, but he absolutely deserves pressure

[Beck]

Who says it doesnt count? You?

I put pressure on revenues with my vote for not posting content, and he posted content.

The case on zde is valid and is essentially the only thing going on right now.

I mean we could actually quick lynch you because you aren't scum hunting and you have only focused on me, but you really aren't making a case on me but attacking me with useless buzz words.

You accuse me of being aggressive and distracting, but you dont even back up your arguments with examples. Plus you say aggressive like it's a bad thing.

Before you call my case bullshit, try making one yourself, until than you have no right to criticize my case.

[Beck]

@ sorg, I still stand by it

PL in general, bad play

PL of DK in general, the best thing town can do for themselves 100% of the time.

[Beck]

One liners are lurking.

First, you accused me of lurking after I proposed the policy lynch (during that time I posted nothing), and now you're accusing me of lurking for posting one liners on page one.

Don't understand your last sentence there.

You're trying to attack me for making both a serious suggestion of a policy lynch and arguing it's also a weak suggestion for a policy lynch. If it was actually a serious suggestion, don't you think I'd try to make the argument a stronger, if it was possible?

The 2nd part doesn't make sense to me, I'll explain once pop responds first.

[Beck]

No, it isn't proof, but in the absence of evidence against him, I'm willing to give him a pass for now.

(See, Beck? This is how one scumhunts. You focus on more than one person at a time.)

ok seriously you and I are going to have issues this game.

I have actually focused on 3 different people so far, Revenous, Zde, and you

and let's look at your recent posts

1. you say sorg's reasons were the only convincing one, my reasons were just as good, but you have a bias against me so you aren't going to listen to me all game are you? (this is bad for town if you are town)

2. you say sky's post is a town slip - which it isn't

3. and than you say LOOK AT ME I AM FOCUSING ON SOMEBODY ELSE, I KNOW HOW TO SCUM HUNT

but how is calling somebody town scum hunting? looks like you are town hunting?

show me ONE SINGLE POST OF YOURS THAT LOOKS LIKE YOU ARE SCUM HUNTING

i'll wait cause I've read your ISO 3 times this morning and can't seem to find a single one.

and on that note

Vote: pine

here is my recap of your iso

your 1st 2 posts are your rvs, nothing exciting
3rd post - you say you would consider PL'ing me
4th post - you explain why you would PL me
5th post - explain to sorg about that game
6th post - you ask for somebody to explain the proposed lynch on DP (note for later)
7th post - more verbal attacks towards me, this is where it implies your vote on hiraki is serious
8th post - this is where you attack my playstyle but fail to provide evidence to support it, you finally have a reason to vote me, and you say you don't get the case on zde at all. Why not ask someone to explain it to you like you did about the proposed lynch on DP? why ask about one and than not care enough to ask about the other. Plus explain why my case was non-sensical, I mean you are trying to discredit me right? well explain why i'm wrong
9th post - you make sure you let it know that your vote me is serious
10th post - this is again where you attack my play and say I am not scum hunting and ask for examples, but I am not allowed to include the wagon I started? lol This is also where you say that you find the case on zde weak, but again don't really bother taking the time to explain why it is weak
11th post - this is where sorg basically has said what I tried to say but in a more condensed manner and you say you agree with his reasons. My case on zde was basically he proposed a PL, when somebody called him out on it being weak, he votes that person. which is essentially the same as him backing off when pressured, but in reality attacking the person who called his reason weak (which is the reason I gave for voting zde) is a much better reason IMO
12th post - you call a post a town slip
13th post - you say it isn't prove he is town
14th post - this is where you say that sorg's case wasn't actually that great and more attacks on me. I am not fluff posting, YOU are fluff posting. I am posting REAL FUCKING reasons why people are scummy, unlike you
15th post - this is where you say you are on the fence with zde being scum, but your entire iso has you essentially disagreeing with his wagon, which means you don't think he is scum
16th post - what is scummy about a person calling themselves town? While I disagree with him being OBV town, I have no issue with a person calling themselves obv town. Like so far this game, 100% hands down I AM OBV TOWN and everyone voting me needs to cease and desist (are you going to vote me now?)
17th post - ooh wagon is growing on Zel, let me hop aboard this one.

this wagon on Zel is a wagon that makes no sense
the wagon on zde makes much more sense

a wagon on Pine is a wagon on scum, Who wants to lynch scum? ALL ABOARD THE PINE WAGON

[Beck]

actually fuck it.

i dont hate you enough to do this.

Unvote, Vote: REvenus

This post just screams scum: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p3514009 Make a decision you useless chump.

I don't like how you jumped on zel after your previous inactivity, but this is a good point.

somebody calling themselves town isn't scummy or a scum tell, so rev is yet again trying to push a non-sensical vote, this is the 2nd time he has done so.

[Beck]

So zelink deciding before game even began he wanted to lynch me on day 1 is fine, but me doing the same to him is scummy? Some quality contradictions there.

If his was page 1/2 than no, but when it's page 6/7 and he has votes on him already, than yes it's a tad scummy.

How is that a contradiction? His was obvious rvs, you missed rvs, its not the same.

@ pine, I'm attacking your play this game, not you as a person or based on my previous experience of you. Your play thus far is deserving of pressure. But I'll hold you to that, you can attack my play all day long, I can defend my playstyle. I can't defend adhom.

I'd like to know why you think aggressive play is scummy? I'd also like you to provide an example of how I have been distracting like you accused me of.

[Beck]

Ebwop, if it was page 1/2*

[Beck]

@Slandaar: How is that "calling myself Town"? Town scumhunts, Scum scumhunts, even third party scumhunts. The only people that don't are people too wrapped up in themselves to do it.

Scum dont scumhunt, they pretend to scumhunt, you cant genuinely scumhunt when you know who the scum are already.

Scumhunting implies town.

And this pretty much sums up pine's play, it is also how zde and revenous are playing too

Now if these 3 are all scum, I swear I'll die laughing but I honestly don't think all 3 would be THAT obvious. That being said, pressure on any if these 3 are acceptable for now

[Beck]

1. sure agressive play can be seen in a scummy light, but so can passive play, and you already know I am an agressive player based on the game where we played together, and you can look at all of my completed games and see i am agressive both as town and as scum. it's my playstyle so an attack on my agression is an attack on my playstyle which is un-warranted and un-necessary.

2. this is the second time you have accused me of being agressive, yet when I ask you to provide examples of my agressive play you don't post them, nor have you posted examples of my distracting play which you have accused me of also.

3. a true implies I am attacking you based on the previous game, which you have admitted is the reason for your attack on me, but I have said it isn't the reason for my attack on you. My attack(It isn't even an attak, it's pressure) on you is based on your lack of content and usefulness THIS GAME. If my case is crap like you say, explain why it is crap instead of trying to discredit it by saying it is fueled by irritation and omgus, because it isn't.

if my case is crap, please explain the following items
1. why do you originally say the case on zde is weak but than later say his actions were "suspicious" (your word not mine)? if his actions were suspicius, the wagon on zde would be justified right? you pressure suspicious people which is what that wagon was doing

2. You basically say "look at me I am scum hunting cause i am focusing on other people" but the person you were focusing on was somebody you just said committed a town slip and you don't think he is scum. How is this an example of you scum hunting and how does it prove your point?

3. I still woudl like you to post, at least 1 (more would be better) of you scum hunting


the problem I have with you pine is i keep asking you for info and you keep retreating saying i am attacking you for the same reasons you are attacking me, I have no previous biased towards you because you were scum in that other game and you won, your play was clearly better than mine.

my case on you may not be rock solid, but it certainly isn't "crap" (again your word, not mine)

If your next 3 posts don't contain the information I am asking of you, I will strongly urge you be lynched today because right now in my mind you look like caught scum and no my case isn't crap, neither of my cases have been crap.

[Beck]

ebwop - should be truce not true for number 3

[Beck]

God, imagine if I wasn't on v/la

I retract my v/la, I'm able to access on my phone so I'm fine

And here is a shout out to revenous

IM OBV TOWN
IM OBV TOWN

Please explain why you find this scummy?

[Beck]

The case was (and is) crap, because it was poorly explained. When elaborated upon, I saw what was being pointed out, and the actions were suspicious. The two statements are not mutually exclusive.

An example of undue aggression? The way you keep hammering at me again and again without changing your rhetoric or making any attempt to have a two-sided conversation. Please stop flooding the thread with the same things over and over again. I will concede any remaining points you have against me, and leave it to the other twenty players to decide. Let's move on.

Asking you to provide evidence of your accusations against me is aggressive?

Asking you to respond to my requests to explain your reasonings for your posts is aggressive?

Than yes I'm aggressive, and you STILL ignore my requests. if you are town, why are you not willing to explain your actions?

I'm fine letting the other 20 people decide, unless something better pops up, I'm keeping my vote on you. From a town mentality, your play doesn't make sense.

We also have a shut load of people who need to post, and others who need to post content and not nonsensical horseshit (shattered this means you)

[Beck]

Slander, I still don't get your reasons for your amateur vote, can you explain better why you were pushing on him earlier and your thoughts of him currently.

[Beck]

One of beck/pine is probably scum. Of course, considering Beck's record, he's probably caught another townie again >.>
Also David? You'd probably find a lot of similarities with rev.

I can't help when towies do scummy things, if pine is town, that's on him, not me

But you have been quieter than normal, what do you have to add?

If You or somebody wants to point out how I'm wrong, I'm all ears. If pine isn't scum, somebody tell me why, since pine doesn't seem interested in doing it himself.

[Beck]

Revenous, what are your thoughts of salander?

[Beck]

amatuer, if you'll notice, Pine wasn't really attacking Beck for any reason except out of personal dislike, and it appears that Beck is an ultra aggresive player who will read into any sort of situation as potentially scummy, so there you have it.

You hit the Nail on the head.

@ Amateur, you don't see anything wrong with pine calling the case on zde as weak and goes on to vote me for personal reasons, but later says zde was suspicious for in game reasons?

If its acceptable to you, please explain How is this beneficial to helping us catch scum ?

[Beck]

It's hard to pressure inactive people because they don't have anything to attack. Attacking based on not posting anything isn't enough IMO.

But humor me, How anyone can have a town read on pine? please tell me why you have a town read on him.

[Beck]

I still want pine to respond to my request, but I think bvoight was on to something.

vote: Funkybike

[Beck]

His rvs was on DP, after others had also voted DP

So 2 bandwagon votes

[Beck]

My cases arent crap, yours absolutely is.

And you say I'm either scum or an idiot, I'm neither so I must be..

A ROCKSTAR

I'll put the same thing on you that I put on pine, explain why my 2 cases are wrong or SHUT THE FUCK UP

[Beck]

I'm good and pissed now, if pine and crackhead viewpoint don't explain why both of my cases are wrong (and actually can explain the town motivation behind their play) I'll push on these 2 mofos for the remainder of the game

[Beck]

Saying it's crap or bullshit or some other non logical response isn't going to fly with me

[Beck]

Beck; that's dumb. Do you think that it makes them scum? If you're pushing it because the extension of them thinking your cases are wrong makes them scum, that's fine, but if you're going to attack them not because you think they're scum, but that you think they are simply attacking you, that is completely asinine, and therefore you are a detriment to the game. If you're going to just be straight up anti town, then I'm going to be voting you.

Anyone who cant use logic and words to demonstrate why my case is wrong, and calls me scum because of it, is either scum or a fucking vi who needs to die

Crackhead says im scum because my cases are bullshit or crap or whatever word he used. He doesn't bother to take the time to explain why they are wrong. I've dealt with this type of attitude before and got lynched day 1, by parama who was scum. He acted like gods gift to scum hunting and tried to make me look like an idiot.

If I'm wrong with my cases, tell me I'm wrong

But to say im auto scum cause I made bad cases (especially when they can't verbalize why it's wrong) is scum pushing a mislynch.

Crackhead has done nothing this game and now has claimed to catch all the scum?

HORSESHIT

[Beck]

Oh, almost forgot

vote: shattered aka crackhead

Arrogance like yours is unfucking necessary.

[Beck]

Once I'm over my hissy fit, 176[/b] will be why I vote theAmateur. I'll explain that when I vote, but for now, until crack and pine appeaseme, they need my vote. If only I could vote 2 people

[Beck]

176

[Beck]

And FYI crackhead, since you don't seem to get what I'm doing.

I'm not advocating a lynch on these people yet, cause I vote them doesn't mean they deserve to be lynched, they have done or said something that doesn't sit well with me, and all I have is my ability to question people and vote people. This allows me to do 2 things, observe their reactions/ responses and observe other people's reactions/responses.

If a person doesn't defend himself very well (both zde and pine haven't defended themselves well) my vote becomes more serious.

Right now I have a list of 8 of the active posters, I'm keeping an eye on. I don't get town reads often and when I do they tend to be scum(smh)

But this is how I play always and won't change because you or anyone else tells me to.

[Beck]

Stubborn? Absolutely
Anti-town - nope
Admitted I can't find scum? - where did I admit I can't find scum?

Right now I'm the most Obv.town player in the game and you are not

[Beck]

I don't get town reads often and when I do they tend to be scum(smh)

Since I've been on MS, I've had 1 town read in like 6 or 7 finished games.

@ sorg, the people voting me haven't really provided any real reason for it, definitely not anything worthy of lynching me. I've done nothing wrong and these votes on me are ridiculous, besides there are only 3 votes on me and I'm willing to go out on a limb and say 1 of the 3 is scum.

I won't calm down until crackhead and pine explain why my cases are wrong.

[Beck]

And you are being anti-town by tunneling people NOT because you think they are scummy but because you disagree with their analysis of their playstyle; it's not helping town, its distracting, and it serves no purpose at all.

I'm not tunneling on people, tunneling is focusing one 1 player continuously.

I've questioned and/or voted people I am suspect of.

You want to accuse me of vote hopping? That would fit cause I use my vote, that's what it's for.

[Beck]

You honestly think that's a valid reason?

Umm re-look at my vote. I said my vote was a policy lynch vote, I didn't say it was a scumtell

PL a player because they were bad in 1 game is horrible

PL the most blacklisted player and someone who purposely trolls games and plays against his wincon, is the right thing to do.

[Beck]

If I'm PL'ing zde and advocating a PL of DK, that isn't hypocritical, thus invalidating your reason for voting me

[Beck]

If I'm PL'ing zde and advocating a PL of DK, that isn't hypocritical, thus invalidating your reason for voting me

You are going for his pl? I thought it was voting him because of his policy lynch idea.

Unvote Beck

No I wasnt agreeing with his PL, which is why I suggested PL'ing him, but my PL comment wasn't even serious, which is why I used a smilie. PL's are only good in certain situations, wanting him lynched for bad play in 1 game, is terrible. Everyone has played badly in games, if you haven't yet than it will happen. I've had good games and bad games myself.

[Beck]

So you are fence sitting?

Why not attempt to find out on your own instead of joining whoever gets the majority

Why not explain why we are scummy to you. I can't talk about it, but you know my town play, I know yours. I agree this isn't it

[Beck]

So you are fence sitting?

Why not attempt to find out on your own instead of joining whoever gets the majority

Why not explain why we are scummy to you. I can't talk about it, but you know my town play, I know yours. I agree this isn't it

maybe it wasn't clear when I posted this, I thought it was

amateur this is directed at you

[Beck]

I'm not vig bait thanks

It's day fucking 1 dude, I'm applying pressure to people, so I make cases, who gives a fuck. If there is a vig, you would be stupid to waste a kill on me.

Vig kills Lurkers or scum reads

That's it.

Good vig targets are anyone in the bottom tier of posters or somebody who is a strong scum read. You don't vig one of the Obv town players.


My cases aren't super strong, but I'm not pushing anyone to be lynched like I said. I'm putting pressure to guage their reactions.

Pine's reactions are weak but they are townie to me, zde has gone back in hiding so re-visiting his wagon isn't a bad idea at some point.

My vote is on crackhead cause he reminds me of how paramascum played, he thinks he has found 4 scum, yet he is 100% wrong on of them. I'm voting to get him to actually play the game. If he is town, he is gonna have to start eventually.

[Beck]

100% wrong on one of them*

[Beck]

Truth is stranger than fiction, I know. It's best if everyone just accepts it and moves on.

[Beck]

He was being sarcastic.

You are distracting the entire group with your attitude that the world revolves around you, your brash insistence that you can't be wrong, and your fluff-ridden excessively prolific posting. This would be okay if you were making good cases and points, but you're really not. You're solely engaging in petty arguments, name-calling, and worse, you're drawing others into it. Whether or not you are willing to believe this, you're being remarkably anti-Town without even trying to be.

PE: Your last, 100% unnecessary and conceited post, illustrates my point better than I ever could.

It's not conceit, it's self confidence

And I never said the world revolves around me and I sure as hell never said I can't be wrong.

And still waiting for ANYONE at this point to tell me why my case on zde and you were wrong. You guys won't do it, nobody else seems to be saying it, so until somebody can explain it, I don't think my cases are bad.

[Beck]

Shockingly enough, I do agree with a revenus vote though

[Beck]

I'm still waiting for somebody to explain why my cases sucked ass.

But here is the serious news, pine and revenus are scum, I'd be willing to bet on it if it wasn't against site rules.

I'm still suspect of zde and slander

The best vig target is shattered cause he is being useless thus far, uselessness isn't acceptable, another acceptable vig kill would be any of the bottom dwellers in post counts.

Shattered, if you are town, get over yourself and start doing something useful. You can start by explaining what's wrong with my cases. I'm holding you to it, I will be stubborn and continue to tunnel on you day 2 if you don't explain it.

vote revenus

[Beck]

Rant: I've learned on MS that the elitist attitudes are quite high, the problem is while people like shattered, parama, and others may think they are god's gift to mafia, they still need to prove it. Just being an arrogant err self confident asshat doesn't help newbs like myself get better. It's distracting from the game. They want people to follow them but can't explain why they have scum reads. It's great if they are mafia, cause they can easily bully people to win the game (I've seen it once already) but as town, it's better for you to tone back a little and try to be helpful.

I'm still fairly new, sure I've been here a few months now. But you can see from my games I have a lot to learn. There are other newer players in this game too. I'm asking nicely shattered for you to scale back your arrogant err self confidence a little and play the game somewhat normally.

/rant

[Beck]

Useless

[Beck]

Bvoight, this shows scum intent.

"I'll probably change one to a vote when a majority appears on one or if one turns scummier than the other."

[Beck]

What I'm starting to learn, is people who have been on site for a while, aparantly think so little of day 1, they just act useless so they aren't NKd. I expect these players to step up their play day 2, and if not than we can focus on them. I've seen scum trolololol their way through games before and as long as I'm alive, trolololing isn't going to fly past day 1. If they are town it's playing against their wincon, if they are scum well bonus.

So I'm putting hiraki and shattered on notice, day 2 step up your play or die in a fire.

I don't care if I get suspected or lynched, for these comments, I have fun but take the game serious, if you don't want to play replace the fuck out now.

[Beck]

I wouldn't say pine is Obv town

P.edit, join the club. I'm waiting on anyone to answer me

[Beck]

I'm sorry, Funky is scummy? Based on what? He's got three posts and no content to analyze. What, exactly, makes him more or less scummy than ANYONE? That's one step removed from calling someone with no posts scummy.

He voted for no reason on a bandwagon that appeared to be picking up steam.

Actually he bandwagon voted twice.

[Beck]

My only experience with hiraki was in a game I replaced in, she had already gone inactivate but had made reasonable posts before flaking and getting replaced by zde. In the end that slot was scum

Right now hiraki isn't being useful and zde is semi-lurking and is playing badly.

[Beck]

UNVOTE: Zdenek

Can we expect content from you soon?

[Beck]

UNVOTE:

There really doesn't seem to be anything clear cut either way here... But Beck is pissed me off

This should be good, how did manage to do that?

[Beck]

I think that the case againt theamat is reasonable, Hiraki is being useless and I'm pretty much the only person he's commenting on.
I have no interest in lynching either Beck or Pine.

Pops continues to be scum, now for pretending to be useful by writing a long essay about town lists.

Interesting timing there buddy

[Beck]

Why we are discussing how mafia should kill?

[Beck]

Lots of people are slipping under the radar

[Beck]

well if the people who called my cases crap, would like actually explain why, I wouldn't have gotten wound up.

[Beck]

I think that the case againt theamat is reasonable, Hiraki is being useless and I'm pretty much the only person he's commenting on.
I have no interest in lynching either Beck or Pine.

Pops continues to be scum, now for pretending to be useful by writing a long essay about town lists.

Interesting timing there buddy

That's pretty silly. Zdenek has played scum before, and I doubt he was lurking the thread waiting for someone to mention his name. I'm actually thinking Zdenek is town here based on the angles of the attacks against him.

Based on the angles of attack? What does this mean?

[Beck]

Ok yet another person thinks the cases on him are lousy, explain why. Nobody else seems to want to.

[Beck]

Those were not the real cases on zde

[Beck]

This IMO are the reasons for the zde votes

Pine The only thing aggressive from me is my scum hunting and i haven't distracted anyone. As for the case on zde, usually when people dont understand things, they would typically ask questions to try and understand. Clearly you have no interest in finding out the reasons or you would have asked about it already.

I don't like slandar's constant attempt to diffuse a wagon on zde, wagons are useful, this one is turning out to be useful.

What scumhunting? Please point out where you have done ANY. The case on zdenek doesn't count, because it's absolutely bullshit. Quit inflating your own usefulness.

@Slandaar: Not understanding a case isn't scummy, it's NOT UNDERSTANDING. And understood the acctual case just fine, I just find it completely weaksauce, and am at a loss to understand how it has built a wagon. Also, Jesters are verboten in Normal games.

Case on zdenek makes a lot of sense.
1.He goes for a serious policy lynch, tries backing it up, then says it was a joke
2.He immediately backs away from it after some pressure starts building up on him.

Case on Beck
My last post showed that his attack on zdenek about policy lynches was bad as he said he would do them himself if a certain person was playing.

[Beck]

This one too is the case on zde

So for anyone playing at home, here is why I'm voting zde

1. Suggesting a PL to begin with
2. The fact he pointed to a rather weak reason for said PL
3. The fact that he votes the first person who questions him and his reason for his PL vote.

Interesting enough that's the same number of posts he has so far.

If he was joking like he claimed, he wouldn't have pinpointed the exact post number in a game, unless he had it memorized, he obviously had to go find the post.

Plus, the vote on pops, who made a content filled post in response to the PL suggestion, draws such a reaction he felt needed to vote him, not once trying to point out what was wrong with pops's post, just writes it off as "blathering"

This isn't town motivated behavior, and as such I'm thinking he needs more pressure and quite possibly lynched.

[Beck]

Let's translate Beck's thoughts into words!

314:"I Don't understand your case"

reads 315

316: not a real case

hmmmm.

this is delicious.

Are you retarded?

314- was explain why the cases on zde was bad
315 - bvoight posts about other stuff regarding zde
316 - I point out that those weren't the real cases on zde.

The real cases were made by myself and sorg. Also zed's voting the first person to point out that zde's PL suggestion was bad.

Those are the real cases.

[Beck]

So the fact he went to the game thread and actually looked for the exact post isn't proof he wasn't kidding?

If he just said said it was based on his play in that game, that's different. Taking the extra effort to get the exact post is too much work for a lolpolicy lynch joke

[Beck]

You guys bad mouth me but nobody is responding to my requests, and being ingnored just pisses me off more, which just causes me to shit post more. I shouldn't have to ask multiple times for the people who call my cases bullshit to explain it to me. To those who are annoyed at my postings, why don't you try to explain why they think my cases are shit. I'm mad cause I'm being ignored so ignoring me more isn't the way to shut me up

I've gathered that my reasons for zde isn't bullshit, it's just a difference of opinion. He has also sort of lurky, especially when the attention went off him.

Pine hasn't contributed anything useful to this game and uses a post where he declares somebody making a towntell as an example of scumhunting. Plus he makes sure to announce he is scumhunting. Town doesn't need to announce they are scumhunting. His entire iso proves he is useless

Revenus's iso is also completely useless, so are quite a few other people.

People who deserve the most attention today are those 3

Honorable mentions Screaming, David Parker, and Funkybike.

Most likely to flip scum? Pine and revenus

[Beck]

Pine hasn't contributed anything useful to this game...

This is a premium example of your confirmation bias-ridden, tunnel-visioned, no-one's-opinion-but-mine-matters attitude. REGARDLESS of my alignment, I've added a TON of things to the game. I've provided extremely detailed information on my reads of every single player (compared to your own focus on three or four players), frequent

analysis

of new information (something you rarely do), make leaps of logic based on sound principles, and at the very least, I've been an open book, completely explaining my reasoning and thoughts on everything I've done and said.

In comparison, you have held onto your early laurels of building shoddy RVS cases on two people, whined incessantly that no one will answer the same old questions to your satisfaction despite numerous attempts to do so, gone out of your way to insult and demean almost every player, gone after inactive players, started arguments over nothing, gone off-topic, obnoxiously spammed the thread (the above being a reasonable example though hardly the worst of it.)

For you to say that I've contributed

nothing useful

to the game indicates that you Are. Not. Taking. This. Seriously. You're either derpScum or failTown. Either way, I'm done with you. I will not be responding to you or reacting to you in any way unless a major paradigm shift occurs in your style of gameplay. Good bye, Beck.

PE: Funkybike, you absolutely have to provide more than hopping onto a growing wagon without providing independent reasons. Start with your top suspects, include reasoning that doesn't look like you quoted someone and removed the tags, and go from there.

see you think that is what I am doing but it isn't.

I have just read your iso yet again and not including your reads of every single person, I still don't see any example of you contributing anything of value.

my case on zde is solid, and my case on you is solid.

it isn't "shoddy rvs cases"

I have also asked you to provide an example of you scum hunting from way back and you have ignored my request. Now you claim

"I've added a TON of things to the game"

I would like you to provide examples of the "tons" you have added.

btw this

Either way, I'm done with you. I will not be responding to you or reacting to you in any way unless a major paradigm shift occurs in your style of gameplay. Good bye, Beck.

is more proof you aren't interested in trying to help town. i have asked you to do certain things to help prove you are trying to contribute to the game and you have ignored every single one of my requests.

Things I have asked and you have ignored

1. explain why my case on zde was crap
2. provide an example of you scum hunting like you claimed you had back on post 125

and now I am adding a 3rd

3. show me the "tons" of information you have added to this game

because you were the one who used bias from another game to attack me, you accuse me of doing them same thing when I have proven I haven't

and just a side note

REGARDLESS of my alignment, I've added a TON of things to the game.

this particularly strikes me as odd because this sounds like you aren't town but you want to make it known that you are trying to be useful, which would be by my count the 2nd time you have tried to imply you have been useful, when you actually haven't.

vote: pine

he is scum, 100%

oh and p.s. PROVIDING A LIST OF READS ON EVERYONE IN THE GAME IS NOT BEING HELPFUL. IT IS AN EXAMPLE OF FILLER POSTING TO LOOK TOWN.

anyone can make a list, including scum.

you attack me on bias, I attack you based on your play this game. your play this game is perfect scum play so you must die.

[Beck]

And that's why you are scum rev, my post had relevance, and an admission of pine that implies he isn't town (town doesn't say "regardless of my alliance", or atleast they shouldn't)

Regardless of my alliance means I'm not town.

[Beck]

And I didn't call pine scum cause he is fed up with my bullshit, why are you trying to misrep me and discredit me?

[Beck]

It's more proof you are scum cause it's constant misrepping me, which is a scum tactic

[Beck]

When I get to a pc, I'll explain why you are scum.

I've already explained why pine is scum

I'm sick and tired of people saying they are ignoring me, I'm making good points, I should not be ignored.

I'm not saying the game revolves around me, but when good points are being made they shouldnt be ignored.

[Beck]

Aww.

Beck is getting a bit angry now! More buttons!

psssst this means he's still wrong.

On the contrary, the game doesn't revolve around you, and until you realize this, don't sign up for games.

This guy is smart.

Explain why I'm wrong or SHUT THE FUCK UP

[Beck]

Really Slandaar? I'd hardly say his method of scumhunting is very good. Let's try an experiment. You ask him directly to explain his opinions on players other than Pine and myself. Watch him go nuts and accuse you of being scum.

Seriously why are you misrepping me and again making up lies

I would not do anything of the sort. .

[Beck]

How is my method of scumhunting wrong? I'm questioning the people I think are scum and voting them, that's not bad scum hunting.

Pine hasn't scumhunted all game.

Sorg, please don't tell me what to do.

All game people are calling my cases crap and attacking my play but nobody can explain why it's crap.

My cases are solid and until somebody can explain why I'm wrong, they need to be considered viable.


Rev, why would you lynch me? Seriously?

[Beck]

Also sorg, my play hasnt been biased. My cases have been based on their play THIS GAME.

[Beck]

Revenous, is using adhom attacks to attack me. Revenous, I have made 2 good cases on people yet you say I haven't.

1. Explain why my cases are bad
2. Show me where you have scum hunted

Thanks.

P.edit. My surviving to end game is good for town

[Beck]

Beck I said it was advice. Also can you in one post put your complete case against those you are attacking with evidence

Less advice giving, more scum hunting.

When I get to a pc. Ill write condensed cases

I'd appreciate if pine and rev, respond to my requests. I'd hope the rest of town would support my request because beleive it or not, my request is relevant to the game we are playing.

[Beck]

Actually Pine/Slaandar, would you guys be down with a Beck lynch? At worst we lynch town d1 which although unfortunate, happens all the time to far better players than Beck. At best we get rid of scum who has been mass posting in a disruptive manner, and is seriously allowing almost everyone to just pop in and comment on him. It will certainly clear up the game flow. This is just a proposition, but Beck is far and away the most antitown player in the game and I don't see any signs of improvement from him that will help us in the coming days.


And I'm fine with Hiraki and funkybike.

This is a horrible post btw. There is no town motivation in this post

[Beck]

also, beck seems to get a lot of heat for how he plays fwiw i have no problem with it so far and see no reason for the hate.

I have no problem with it.

Doesn't mean that he's right.

You keep calling me wrong but you dont ever say why I'm wrong.

So instead of posting filler, explain it.

Everyone has shit on me because I've stopped being productive, but I've stopped being productive cause I've caught pine scum and nobody can explain why I'm wrong.

Re-read both pine and rev's iso and you will see almost identical things.

Neither is doing anything to catch scum.

And rev, instead of trying to explain why my case is wrong on pine, he just attacks me, misreps me, and tries to discredit me.

If anyone can find 1 useful post from either if them, please post it.

I also get this weird feeling that hiraki is with them.

[Beck]

You guys don't get, if nobody can explain why I'm wrong, I'm not going to change my mind. I'm not so stupid that I'll deny I'm wrong, but nobody has explained why I'm wrong. Just saying I'm wrong doesn't do anything.

P.edit, link? Cause you actually haven't. Woops

[Beck]

That doesnt prove why any of my cases are wrong

You are useless and probably scum

But pine is confirmed scum so..

confirm vote:pine

[Beck]

And nobody else has posted anything close to a case on anyone else. You call zde scum, where is your case?

You call my case wrong yet you think zde is scum? :doesn't compute:

[Beck]

I'll stop posting for the rest of this day phase if somebody can find me an good example of rev and pine scum hunting.

Here is your chance for me to shut up.

[Beck]

How is it hypocritical?

I've made 2 cases this game

1 on zde and 1 on pine

[Beck]

And hiraki, you have been useless all game so do something for once. Make a case on zdescum

Amateur, post 1 link of rev's scum hunting

[Beck]

Shit you hid it in a spoiler. Let me read them

[Beck]

And hiraki, you have been useless all game so do something for once. Make a case on zdescum

Amateur, post 1 link of rev's scum hunting

No thanks.

Last post since I'm a man of my word, the rest of my posts will just be votes
Refusal to post a case on your scum read?

vote: hiraki

[Beck]

ok I lied, I am not stopping posting just yet.

1. revenous is scummy cause he really isn't scum hunting (those posts provided by amateur while nice, don't really show anything of value coming from him) plus now he wants to go after lurkers
2. hiraki is scummy because he isn't making a case for his top scum read and isn't posting anything of value
3. pine is scum because he has admitted he isn't alligned with town
4. shattered is scummy cause he isn't doing anything at all
5. zde is scummy cause he is lurking and his PL was serious, he has lied and said it was a joke, but in my opinion it isn't

people who need to be killed by the vig, if we have one

funky, screaming, or salander.

now I will not post

Vote: pine

I swear he is scum, nobody has to believe me but I am right.

[Beck]

Town should have the same survival motive TBH

Disagree, the survival mode for scum is much higher cause there is less of them.

VTs should have the lease level of survival mode, cause they should be trying to act like PRs to draw the NK from the real PRs.

I agree zde needs to explain what was bad about the post from that game, even if the PL was a joke (still disagree it was) he should explain his reasoning to single that post out

[Beck]

Rev, thoughts on hiraki.

[Beck]

I agree zde needs to explain what was bad about the post from that game, even if the PL was a joke (still disagree it was) he should explain his reasoning to single that post out

[Beck]

I agree zde needs to explain what was bad about the post from that game, even if the PL was a joke (still disagree it was) he should explain his reasoning to single that post out

Sorgster voted a confirmed vote-stealer, an almost sure town role, who he thought was an inventor (for no reason as far as I know) and who claimed day-cop (which was not the case).

Yeah, that's lame but wasn't worth shitting in this game if it was a joke, but call it wifom i just don't see scum drawing attention to themselves like that. So ill leave you as town right now, as much as hate to say it. So with you prob. town, it means I'm probably right about hiraki scum. I still like my vote on pine, i just don't see town saying the phrase "regardless of my allignment"

Town, even if everyone thought he was scum, would still refer to himself as town. Regardless of my alignment implies mafia, SK, or other 3rd party.

[Beck]

Admiral, why is pine town to you?

[Beck]

So you have experience with scum pine? Can I get a link?

[Beck]

unvote

[Beck]

So what is your read on pine this game?

[Beck]

Vote: revenus

[Beck]

I'm curious as to how I have 4 votes at this point.

i'm curious how you don't have more than 4 tbqh

[Beck]

btw i'm going to nightvig you beck

actually I don't even care at this point, my day 1 play isn't stellar but my late game is 10x better, so vig killing me would be fine by me, it would deprive town later in the game. I promise you I will be more useful later, day 1 is about pressuring people who I think is scum and that is what I have done.

[Beck]

I still think something is off with pine and rev, but until he actually comes and does something besides bandwagon vote people

Vote funkybike

[Beck]

I was going to unvote and vote pops, but let's see where this wagon goes.

Why were you going to vote pops?

[Beck]

meh I am not so sure about funky, i'll let other people pressure him.

Vote Bvoigt

[Beck]

This is starting to stall a bit.

Okay, everyone in your next post, please list your top three or four preferences (not your top one that we've heard about ad nauseum) for

today's

lynch and a sentence or two about

why

for each. Again, preferably in new words an not the same ones you've used before. Rank-ordering is a plus.

No, why don't you use your mad crazy scum hunting skills and catch us a scum.

I mean by your own admission you are scum hunting and have added tons to the game, clearly you must know who all the scum are at this point, at lease 1 or 2 amirite?

[Beck]

Theam, why is your play much calmer this game?

Also, do you have a completed scum game on site?

If yes, link please.

[Beck]

I'm not voting funky but please explain why my earlier vote bothered you?

[Beck]

Rev, why am I retarded

[Beck]

Doc, don't waste your action on me, who cares if I die, I'm a retard aparantly.

[Beck]

Theam makes me nervous, rev needs to be more useful and not call people retards.

[Beck]

1. He Probably isn't the vig
2. Soft claiming vig as town, is still not preferred, but it's not bad play because mafia does have to decide if he is telling the truth.



@ Rev, I'm asking you nicely, please treat stop trying to discredit me. I can point to multiple points to where you keep trying to discredit me, calling me a retard is yet another attempt. If you have noticed I have setteled down from my earlier rage.

I'll take this time to apologize to shattered, you pissed me off and I went too far.

I'd like pine and Rev to stop ignoring me also.

Thanks.

[Beck]

Mafia already knows if he isn't one of them, unless there are 2 mafia.

If he is VT soft claiming vig, and mafia kills him. He has helped town by saving a PR

If the vig kills him, he just did something stupid.

I don't think he is serious, if he is the vig, I hope he kills me and when I flip town he admits how stupid he was to shoot me. There are much better vig kill targets IMO.

[Beck]

If he is a vig, he needs to go diaf.

[Beck]

Rev did make me lol with Pew pew

[Beck]

vote: shattered

[Beck]

Until he posts useful content, I'm voting him

[Beck]

Hey shattered and hiraki, come out and play. It's time to stop trolling and play the game.

[Beck]

*facepalm*

[Beck]

Butt you have just created yet another distraction.

[Beck]

Shattered promised he would post today and nothing, plus more uselessness from hiraki. I'm telling you one of these 2 are scum thinking they can troll through the game, I've seen this tactic before recently on ms. We need to pressure them or they won't contribute. Right now neither is helping town catch scum.

[Beck]

Another one I think is playing really well of popping in but staying off the radar is bvoigt, I'm very leery of him too

[Beck]

Let the mod deal with inactives, your vote is wasted and makes you look scummy IMO.

[Beck]

mod, please prod primate

Primate has received a prod. Thanks for being nice about it, Beck.

[Beck]

I can't believe I am actually saying this, but I am envoking a little bit of rainbow dash up in here, I think funky's play is way to obviously bad for him to be scum. I sadly agree with Shattered on this point that he is just n00b or something, I don't think he is scum. I do hope he participates more and starts providing content, but for now this wagon is no bueno.

the 2 people on that wagon I am most leery of is bvoigt and theamateur

Vote: bvoight

[Beck]

The part of 3, 4, 5 isn't be necessarily true anymore, scum will try to get on early or even start wagons themselves.

The part that bugs me a out bvoigt was he said he was going to switch to pops, but wanted to wait after vijay voted funky, I want to know why he wanted to wait and why he was going to change to pops.

[Beck]

Seriously? Read the thread, hiraki is absolutely scummy. I can definitely endorse this one, so...

vote: hiraki

[Beck]

I also encourage everyone else to follow suit until hiraki decides to be useful. She hasn't done a single pro-town act all game. If she isn't scum, this will force her to participate and not skate through this game. If she is scum, this will just light a fire under her hopefully.

[Beck]

Sorry Beck, I should have been clearer. My questions to slandaar were about his comment on ThAd.

Ahh my bad, but a good question, I don't see anything wrong with TheAd's posts so far.

[Beck]

If you think somebody is town, than using VCA is fine, he may not be town, but I doubt he is mafia.

Your comments toward him actually I could see coming from mafia than town.

I'll say I think funky is not mafia, so someone pushing his wagon is scum.

I'm still on the fence about you, you seem to say all the right things but my gut just tells me you could be scum. Thankfully for you, I don't trust my gut enough just yet.

[Beck]

Hey let's get our vote on somebody who actually can get lynched today instead of Sword of omen ok?

So taking my own advice since people won't lynch hiraki.

vote: rev

It's pretty obvious you would rather hunt Lurkers than scum.

[Beck]

You've swapped your vote around looking for the best bandwagon to join hoping that someone will go OH MY GOD BECK THAT IS THE GREATEST VOTE ever, and then join you on it. You're voting simply to boost your own ego. Don't call that scum hunting.

If I was doing that I'd be on the funky wagon, I don't like the funky wagon. And yes scum can lurk, but you honestly feel sword is the Lurker most likely to be scum?

Notice nobody has followed you, nor have you attempted to post reasons for people to follow you. You have people voting you already, yet you really aren't questioning them, you are sort of hoping they get bored waiting and change to somebody else. Everything about your play thus far makes more sense as you being scum, not town.

Plus I've given up trying to convince people cause nobody listens to me. I find bvoigt, theam, salndar, hiraki, shattered, and you the most scummiest.

And I don't see any stellar scumhunting coming from you either, your scum hunting has taken you to omen? Really? Why? Oh yeah cause he is lurking. See Lurker hunting, not scum hunting.


You forget, Town's best weapon is our ability to talk and vote, it takes 12 people to lynch, but only 4- 6 to make somebody feel pressure. That is what I have advocated all game, pressure people to see how people react.

But you don't get it, probably cause you are scum.

[Beck]

I gurantee you if hiraki or shattered got 6 quick votes on them, you would see then in here participating. You want to attack Lurkers? Attack the ones who are lurking AND being scummy

Hiraki and shattered fit that mold better than omen.

[Beck]

With the exception of my little outburst, everything I have said makes perfect fucking sense, so let me ask you something, are you opposed to puttying pressure on hiraki or shattered? Those two have stupid posted all game, hell I beleive Shattered is voting you even and called you conf.scum.

You ignored him, I tried to defend myself.

See the difference and why I think you are scum?

You are hoping people change off you instead of challenging them to provide reasons. You don't.

[Beck]

Revenus, please stop feeding the troll.

Tell me what's wrong with pressuring a lurky scummy person, and tell me why it's acceptable to not defend yourself when people vote you.

Until you can explain those, I'd appreciate you not calling me a troll.

@ rev, the ONLY person I know who isn't scum is me, so PRESSURING people is how I determine who is scum. I'll vote all 21 people if I have to, if I feel they have warranted a vote.

You don't need a super strong reason to pressure vote somebody, you do realize that right?

I don't know why I have to explain this again.

[Beck]

mod, id like pine to either be forced replaced or forced to stop calling me a troll

P.edit, I vote cause somebody says or does something scummy, that really loses credibility? It shouldn't.

People who ignore scummy postings are the ones who should be looked at.

[Beck]

Here have been my votes in a nutshell and the reasons

Shattered - RVS (Valid RVS vote)
Zde - for suggesting a policy lynch for a weak reason (Valid reason for pressure)
Revenus - for mis-repping me (valid reason for pressure)
Zde - back to my case, weak policy lynch and attacking the first person who explains why it was weak (valid reason)
Pine - using bias from a previous game to attack me, plus lack of scum hunting (valid reason)
Funky - for his blantant bandwagon hopping on 2 wagons (valid reason)
Shattered - for nothing more than blantant OMGUS (not valid)
Rev - lack of scum hunting, lack of usefullness to town, constant mis-repping (valid reason)
pine - lack of scum hunting, constantly trying to point out that he is town cause he is scum hunting, when he hasn't really (valid reason)
hiraki - cause she refused to post a case on the person she was voting for (valid reason)
pine - for the same reasons as before(still valid)
rev - for same reasons as before (still valid)
funky - for same reason as bafore (still valid)
Bvoigt - wanted to apply pressure cause the way he was reacting to the growing funky wagon, plus he wanted to change his vote to someone who made no sense to me(valid)
Shattered - lack of posting despite calling 4 people confirmed early on (valid)
bvoigt - same reason as before
hiraki - uslesness, lurking, scummy play, refusal to provide a case for her vote
rev - same reasons as before.

by my count that is 7 different people, and by your own words you think we probably have 7 scum (I'd say anywhere between 5 to 7 scum)

so say we have 7 scum, and I have voted 7 people, what is the problem?

are any of my reasons REALLY invalid? no they are not.

the only head scratcher in my voting history is bvoigt, but there was something he said that struck me as odd and felt he needed pressure.

___________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Now let's look at your votes

Hiraki - rvs
beck - for whining about another game
Zelnik - for calling himself obv town
beck - for being stubborn anti town
screaminghawk - for "Asking questions and clarifying how you feel on a player without explaining your thoughts on anything just makes you look like you're contributing, but you haven't."
Sword of omens - Lurking
Beck - OMGUS


now you have voted 5 people this game and not a single one has been for a valid reason.



so in conclusion, you are either scum or bad for town

I am long winded but my votes have WAY BETTER reasons behind them than yours do, yet you say this about my reasons

You thinking people are scum really doesn't matter to me, since you've attacked almost half the playerbase at this point for retarded reasons.

i will sit back and let the people decide if I am voting people for "retarded reasons" or is it you who is doing that.

Confirm Vote: rev

I think I just caught my first scum of the game ladies and gentelman.

[Beck]

^Bad vote. Beck is vigbait, and what you're proposing is a policy lynch. Unless you can come up with a reasonable and thorough case on why he's scum, I won't stand for wasting a lynch on him when a vig bullet makes him just as dead.

I AM NOT VIGBAIT.

Read the reasons for my votes and tel me which one is a bad reason and why.

[Beck]

and answer my questions pine instead of telling people I am vig bait, actually do something for once and answer the questions.

[Beck]

Let's look at Pine's votes while we are at it.

Hiraki - RVS
Beck - bias from another game
Zelnik - for protesting too much
pops - active lurking
Amateur - opportunistic

Pine, starts off rocky but his votes on pops and amateur are actuallly good reasons.

ok, I don't think Pine is scum, plus i agree with him on amateur. I am not sure about pops, i'd need to do a re-read of his iso at some point.

but first things first, Rev is scum

p.edit - it will honestly be town's loss if I die, if you look at my pressure votes, almost all of them have valid reasons enough for pressure behind them. Sadly yours don't which is why you are confirmed scum.

Scum vote for invalid reasons and try and act like they are valid, which is what you have been doing all game.

[Beck]

We have 7 scum of 22 people? You have got to be kidding me. I played in a game with 35 people once and that had 4 scum a vig and a sk. Stop going crazy.

Rev, said 7. Odds are we have 5 IMO.

It's obvious rev has done nothing with trying to discredit me, as I feel I won't even make it to the part of the game, I'll be most useful, Ill suggest that if we lynch rev and he doesn't flip scum, you can lynch me tomorrow without a fight.

I'm 95% sure he is scum, I'm willing to put myself on the line. Besides nobody listens to me anyway

[Beck]

[quote="In post 610, Beck"

by my count that is 7 different people, and by your own words you think we probably have 7 scum (I'd say anywhere between 5 to 7 scum)

so say we have 7 scum, and I have voted 7 people, what is the problem?

Not only revenus.[/quote]
I was basing my post off his original 7. Besides he acts like voting a bunch of people is a scummy thing, I can point to many games on site where town voted lots of people.

If the votes have a valid reason of suspicion (which mine do) there is nothing wrong with voting people.

Look at that post I made and ask yourself, do my votes have good reasoning? Yes or no

Now look at Rev's, does his?

It's really that simple sometimes.

[Beck]

It's not ranting, it's speaking the truth.

[Beck]

Sometime soon, I'll re-read everyone and post my top 3-4 viable D1 lynches. It won't be tonight cause I'm attending the Voltaggio brothers cookbook signing and Kickball all star game. Good food and booze

[Beck]

Nice fluff posting

[Beck]

If there's anyone I'd consider PLing in this game, it's you, Beck.

Are you considering it? He's making this thread a one man show rant. We need everyone involved to hope to find scum

Unvote
Vote Beck

Each of my votes have had good reasoning, so while I may post a lot, I'm contributing.

[Beck]

This is starting to stall a bit.

Okay, everyone in your next post, please list your top three or four preferences (not your top one that we've heard about ad nauseum) for

today's

lynch and a sentence or two about

why

for each. Again, preferably in new words an not the same ones you've used before. Rank-ordering is a plus.

No. Read my iso. My reads have not yet changed, and I've read the entire thread now.

Fencing's gay.

Don't

even

get me started.

I'll take this time to apologize to shattered, you pissed me off and I went too far.

I'll accept your apology, but you're still scum.

I can't wait til I flip town and prove you wrong.

[Beck]

In post 607, Revenus wrote:
He's seriously hurting the flow of this game and regardless of his alignment, will accept any argument that is spoonfed to him if the writer simply praises him for good play.

Btw, I have proven this wrong, so is Rev lying or just misinformed?

I'll let you figure it out

[Beck]

Maybe if you explained yourself better, you might actually be able to contribute to these "terrible arguments" instead of just showing up every three days.

Tragic and scummy irony, thy name is funkybike1.

This.

And if Beck is going to be schizophrenic though out this game, I'd be in for PL. Sure some statements are valid. But arguing them on the way he is, is help helping town.

@mod - Has primal responded to poke?

Wat? I'm handing you scum rev on a platter and I'm being ignored cause of my fight with SV. How am I hurting town?

I said if rev doesn't flip scum, I'll die tomorrow

That's win/win IMO

[Beck]

You'll die tomorrow why? Me flipping scum doesn't implicate you as scum.

That's why I said if you don't flip scum, I will die. When you flip scum, I won't die unless I'm nk'd

[Beck]

I swear, am I going to have to lead you little children by the hand this entire fucking game? If so, please just tell me now, so I can clear my schedule.

Well you are dead wrong on me, so enlighten us why anyone should listen to you?

[Beck]

Hiraki to me is just some troll that comes in occasionally, blabbers random nonsense, gets in arguments with other people.

Which is why I said we should be voting him, but NOOOOOO nobody wants to listen to me

[Beck]

I disagree.

I speak when I want to speak.

My "trolling" has some key points in it too.

so go figure

No you have absolutely no key points in your posts.

[Beck]

In post 607, Revenus wrote:
He's seriously hurting the flow of this game and regardless of his alignment, will accept any argument that is spoonfed to him if the writer simply praises him for good play.

Rev, please prove this to be true or admit you lied

[Beck]

Sorgster, you seem to keep jumping on every available wagon. However, I have to agree that SV is an idiot. For fucks sake, you can't get it right this early. If you do, its a guess. You are bluffing.

VOTE: Shattered Viewpoint

YES, I'VE GOT SCUM. I'M JUST THAT GOOD!
Stop being cocky as fuck. Please.

Who started that wagon? I didn't notice he had been voted on before.

I actually think you were the first vote on him, my vote was on him earlier but I removed it.

[Beck]

In post 607, Revenus wrote:
He's seriously hurting the flow of this game and regardless of his alignment, will accept any argument that is spoonfed to him if the writer simply praises him for good play.

Rev, please prove this to be true or admit you lied

It's true you are hurting this game

so providing good reasons why people should be pressured and probably is lynched is hurting the game how? and I wasn't talking about, I was talking about this

will accept any argument that is spoonfed to him if the writer simply praises him for good play.

this is a complete boldface lie and a scum tactic. I don't get why people don't see it, but your posts have been far worse helpful than mine, you vote for absoutely horrid reasons, and you would rather lurker hunt than scum hunt.

[Beck]

You'd be surprised. There are some arrogant motherfuckers on this website.

Well the only way to get them to change is to keep lynching them everytime they okay like that. I endorse a shattered lynch today, he needs to be taught a lesson, however I've caught scum already so sadly he will get a break, now everyone should be voting Rev.

[Beck]

Here is my run down on everyone's ISO

Beck - talks alot, went off on Shattered, Pine, and Rev and has acted like an asshat, has gotten much better and has seemed to focus. Most of his votes have had valid enough reasons.

Bvoigt - agrees with beck, says beck and pine are probably town, votes funky for his bandwagoning, says zde is probably town based on meta and the "angles of attack" (still don't get this), zelnick mentions pops is scummy and his attention turns on to pops but doesn't want to change his vote because he wants to see how the funky wagon goes

Chkflp - the mod, kind of lurky, I strongly FOS him

DarthYoshi - same as chkflp, but I think he is town

David Parker - comes to the game late, omgus votes zel, votes rev for voting zel and has fluff posted the remainder of the time.

funky - bandwagon votes twice, generally lurky behavior, claims vig for the lulz, nothing useful from him

Hiraki - troll, plain and simple. refuses to make a case on his top scum read, attempts to misrep and discredit beck, more fluff posts and claims to have made valid points, yet nobody can find them

username - rvs bandwagon vote, really hasn't provided much content, votes Rev for post 385 which was an absolutely horrible post if rev is actually town

Pine - started off ranting and raving but has setteled down and his last couple of votes have had decent reasoning. He does fluff post some but he seems to be on track with his votes, except he hasn't really done much to interrogate amateur in a while

pops - after re-reading his first post, I sort of agree with zde that it wasn't that good, but his point was clear enough, that the zde PL attempt was bad reasoning. tbh I can't read this guy, seems to talk alot about theory and there is no real bite to any of his votes, but I agree somewhat on who he is voting for.

primate - i will catch up in the next couple of hours, 5 days later still nothing.

Rev - votes have been for fairly weak reasonings, he seems more inclinced to mis-rep people and discredit them instead of actually scum hunting. he also would rather lurker hunt than scum hunt, sword vote is terrible, even if he is lurking, there are other lurkers who are being scummy with their posts who could deserve pressure more (shattered or Hiraki are much better lurker votes) I sort of see a Hiraki and Rev connection too, but idk how strong I feel about it. Most important note, he hasn't really addressed anyone that is voting him, nor is he trying to defend himself. When I ask him to provide examples or proof of statements he makes, he just ignores them.

Screaminghawk - Bandwagon votes DP, horrible vote on me (cause I have no friends? really? ), Sides with Rev about me, but doesn't really make any effort to support it with examples, votes primal (assuming this means primate), yet another lurker hunter. Says he would vote me but likes what i have to say, but than says he would be willing to PL me.

Shattered - claims to have found 4 scum and has trolled. useless

Sky - votes rev cause rev likes town lists, while I agree with the vote, the reason was meh. votes funky like others are doing, now seems interested in knowing if the vig claim is real and won't move his vote off until it is cleared up.

Salaandar - posts decent content but his votes are not very convincing at all and not very good reasoning behind any of them, I could definitly see him being scum trying to scum hunt.

Soda - kind of lurky and his votes have been for horrible reasons, I have seen nothing useful from him

Sorg - generally useless in all of his posts, and his votes are terrible. The first zde vote I agree with, the time where he votes him for going back in hiding I also agree with, but all other votes are kind of meh and he doesn't seem to do or say anything to help catch scum.

sword - been absent most of the game, seems to have finally caught up but hasn't voted anyone yet. I can't read him at all and it's annoying but not enough to lynch yet

TheAdmiral - seems to be on the right track, his votes on Sky and Salaandar make sense and I can read their posts and agree with his reasonings for them.

theammateur - play style is very different than what people are used to, he isn't providing much content and his votes have been for weak reasons

vijay - votes funky like others do and votes shattered like others do. Both votes he comments how people are jumping on wagons, but he has jumped on 2 wagons himself. Also I find it odd that he attacked somebody for their vote (which he was wrong) but than sheeped him

Zde - horrible policy lynch suggestion, votes the person who calls his PL out for bad reasoning, says he is tired of his vote sitting on pops (notice he doesn't really try that hard to convince people to vote pops) and changes to salaandar for no reason at all

Zelnik - hasn't really been useful, his votes are for meh reasonings, and declares himself obv town when he clearly hasn't proven it.


As you can see there are a lot of useless players out there and people voting for horrible reasons, the problem is not all of them are going to be scum which is sad.

the people I am most suspicous of are Rev, Salaandar, Sky, theamateur, and Bvoigt

there are others who could possibly be lynched or pressured too like Shattered, Hiraki, vijay, etc but the 5 names I have listed above are the ones I think are more likely to flip scum than town.

[Beck]

What?

It means your stance is wrong if you were town. If you thought people pushing a wagon who you find town are scum then thats fine, but you did not use it to find scum pushing the beck wagon so you are just using anything you can to back up your vote otherwise you would not find beck town and everyone pushing his wagon town.

Your stance summed up: someone thinks funky is scum they must be scum!

There is no way you believe that, you must be scum.

What does the beck wagon have to do with the funky wagon anyway? The funky wagon was our largest wagon to date, and he is most likely town. You ate attacking him cause he chose the funky wagon over my wagon really?

I don't think I had more than 3 votes on me, so why would he choose my wagon?

This argument just makes you look bad bro.

[Beck]

@sorg, your first vote on me was based on you misunderstanding what I said, than you vote zde, which is fine, your vote on zel was retarded, your vote on zde again is fine, you vote me bad vote, you vote shattered which is fine, however looking at the content between your posts, it's basically tunneling on zde, stupid 2 votes, and voting shattered

I don't read your iso and see any good scum hunting on anyone other than zde.

[Beck]

Ok fine, but your votes really aren't helping the flow of the game.

Your 2nd vote on me was never going to take off, so it was wasted. You seem to turn to shattered and zel, when others turn their attention to them.

I haven't seen a Good case from you on anyone, yet.

[Beck]

Not a contradiction, a "I'm on my iPhone and didn't type out the whole thing"

And I can honestly say 100% I won't get lynched today.

[Beck]

Plus you didn't really make a case on zde, but you applied good pressure on him.

[Beck]

I eagerly await the final posts from username and hope that faraday performs better than the other experienced players.

[Beck]

While we are waiting, hiraki and SV to provide real content and stop trolling

[Beck]

I eagerly await the

final posts

from username and hope that faraday performs better than the other experienced players.

Final posts? Are you planning to kill them this night phase?

See this is completely unnecessary. Username is replacing out and said he was going to post his reads before he leaves.

I haven't seen blatantly bad play like that on this site before.

[Beck]

A person sounding angry shouldn't negate the things I say, you can ignore my tone, but shouldn't ignore anyone's content.

[Beck]

I'm ignoring Beck.

good example of pro-town play

[Beck]

I definitely like this exchange between Salandar and TheAd, it's providing good reading material and it's solidifing 2 of my reads. Im willing to bet, one of these 2 is probably scum and the other is probably town. So let's do this.

Both of you, can you give me your top 2 scum and town reads, and if you can a brief explanation of why.

I also would like both to comment on the back and forth between rev and myself, and the points we both have brought up on each other.

Thank you.

[Beck]

Thoughts on rev Salandar?

Also, theAd says he is working on the assumption funky is town, that doesn't imply he knows 100% he is, funky is obvious town, I'm surprised you don't think so

[Beck]

why is he?

His playsyle hasn't changed much since getting pressure, and he has obviously made himself a object of attention, which I find highly risky if he was mafia, plus my gut says he is probably town.

My thing is, if theAD THINKS funky is town, analyzing the votes on that wagon isn't an example of scum play, cause town would also be doing that. The fact that he was asked why he chose funky's wagon over mine was also sort of silly because my wagon wasnt even close to the size funky's wagon is.

Your pressure on him, Looks good on the surface, but I feels like the the reasons don't support the amount of pressure you are putting on him, especially for doing something pro-town, analyzing a wagon. It's much easier if you know if funky is town, but we don't.

[Beck]

So he sounds better but looks worse due to meta?

[Beck]

That would explain why I'm scum cause I'd PL DK, he must be DK's alt. The bad play explains it

Good to know.

[Beck]

Funky

[x] Gets it
[ ] Doesn't get it

P.edit - That's why

[Beck]

How sure are you funky is scum salandaar?

Sure enough that if he flips town, we can lynch you tomorrow?

That's how sure I am Rev is scum.

[Beck]

Salandaar, post your case on funky

[Beck]

Oh nice.

More extremely well founded votes on me.

This is classic scum speak. Reasons have been made, you have ignored them.

Btw, founded means there are reasons, you probably meant unfounded

[Beck]

Oh right Beck, if we disagree with you, or if we think you are scum, somehow we are "lying" and therefore are scum.

More attempts to misrep and discredit me

Why don't you support your claims about me or stfu.

[Beck]

What reasons?
Every single vote on me has been terrible.


And Beck, you have almost 0 credibilty in this game right now, so unless someone else tells me that I'm "discrediting" you, then I think you're in the wrong here.

People who ignore someone playing the game better replace out now, if people are ignoring my case and reasons. Others have posted reasons too.

You shouldn't ignore any case, including mine

[Beck]

People who ignore someone playing the game better replace out now, if people are ignoring my case and reasons. Others have posted reasons too.

You shouldn't ignore any case, including mine

I absolutely can, since your cases have no substance. For example, here is a typical exchange

Beck: I'm fucking awesome. Fuck you people

Someone: Uh, calm down buddy

Beck: Fuck you too, you're scum

Someone: That's terrible scumhunting

Beck: Stop discrediting me. I'm scumhunting. You're lying. Therefore you're scum.

That isn't even close to what's going on with my play, more mis-repping me.

As for DP and SV, if they want to call me scum, that's fine. Anyone who come at me, I'll defend anything I have done, that's the difference between you and I. I'll defend myself to accusers, you clearly havent.

[Beck]

Rev, last I checked DP and SV are voting you, not me.

[Beck]

Rev, from what I can tell this is why people are voting you

DP - horrible vote on zel
SV - for saying you liked what I said and un-voting me
Username - Agreed your post 385 was bad
Me - way too many things that you have ignored
Funky - for your attacking Lurkers

Now get to defending yourself.

P.edit - because I don't think if he was scum he would bandwagon vote 2 people so obviously and than claim vig.

[Beck]

also beck rev was using sarcasm...

we are not lynching rev today, everyone needs to start voting ThAdmiral

Over my dead body, rev is 10x scummier than TheAD

What TheAd is doing is protown behavior, Rev isn't playing protown

[Beck]

Actually Pine/Slaandar, would you guys be down with a Beck lynch? At worst we lynch town d1 which although unfortunate, happens all the time to far better players than Beck. At best we get rid of scum who has been mass posting in a disruptive manner, and is seriously allowing almost everyone to just pop in and comment on him. It will certainly clear up the game flow. This is just a proposition, but Beck is far and away the

most antitown

player in the game and I don't see any signs of improvement from him that will help us in the coming days.


And I'm fine with Hiraki and funkybike.

That's 385 and I agree with him on this. He's giving a good reason for this lynch and it should help the town the best to win. You agree with a special rule for dk about pls. Let's do this for beck.

Policy lynching me isn't going to help town, I'm actually good posts that people choose to ignore.

I gurantee you hands down I have contributed more to this game than rev.

[Beck]

What does me wanting to PL somebody who isn't in this game matter anyway? He isn't in this game. So it's irrelevant.

[Beck]

Right now, I'm looking at Rev as likely scum, as he seems to not be contributing much other than extremely weak votes on lurkers.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Revenus

Here is funky's vote, Rev I'd like you to prove funky is wrong. It's called defending yourself. You are gonna have to do it eventually.

[Beck]

If people don't stop ignoring me, I'm gonna do something stupid.

I've made a good case against Rev and he hasn't responded to it, instead he has attacked me basically with Adhom, instead of proving me wrong.

[Beck]

And I've defended myself against other votes by explaining to you the leap in logic that they have for their votes, but lookie, you've ignored those posts.

I must have missed your defense, I apologize. Can you please post links to them?

Btw, the response to funky's vote wasn't a defense. I think you need to go over each vote and explain them to us so we know your reasonings behind them.

[Beck]

Question rev, how is voting a Lurker helping us catch scum, when town lurks just as much as scum does?

[Beck]

QFT.

UNVOTE: theamateur
VOTE: Revenus

Yeah, I'm supposed to defend myself against excellent votes like these.

He was agreeing with me that your post was bad, so I guess defend your reasons for your post and how it is pro town to policy lynch me.

You say im not contributing to this game, I can post a link if at least 20 useful posts from me, can you post a link to 20 useful posts from you? How about 10?