Mafia 61: No Theme - Game over!

[Battle Mage]

Vote: WizardCat

He voted for me, and he's my pet. If that aint scum i dont know what is.

[Battle Mage]

Dude, think about it. I am Battle

MAGE

Mage being another word for Wizard.
YOU are WizardCat.
Not hard to figure out that this basically makes you my pet.

*poke*

Look closer. The "c" isn't meant to be capitalized.

That is a minor grammar error, not a spelling error. = P LIAH! As I said. Passable grammar, correct spelling, no obvious lies like you've done.

LIAHLIAHLIAH

Objection!

If someone were to mispell a name such as McDonald as Mcdonald, you would say that is a spelling mistake, correct? As a user

name

, it's the same thing here!

As for the grammar, you call it passable?

If that ain

'

t scum

,

I

don

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t know what is.

All underlined parts are mistakes and that's not mentioning the use of the questionable "ain't".

Then, there's the lying part. He clearly lied when calling me his "pet". If two people have never met, how can they have such a relationship?

This all makes one thing clear: IH"s arguement has no basis and should be thrown out of court! Battle Mage is quite obviously suspicious becuase this is the day of random voting!

I think I've been playing too much Pheonix Wright...

[Battle Mage]

ffs, im getting damn sick of these stupid arguments between Raging Rabbit and Twito. Im sure that one oif them is Mafia-possibly both, in opposing groups. I'm going to

Unvote, Vote: Raging Rabbit

, because i generally dislike the way he almost bullies Twito.

[Battle Mage]

useless at catching scum?
so far, on this site, i have been proven right about 1/2 of my Mafia suspicions. Pretty solid record for someone who's play-style seems beneath contempt....
anyway, RR, if you think im Mafia vote for me. If you dont, dont vote for me. Dont just threaten to OMGUS me, for no reason other than that i voted for you.
My vote stands because i still think ur the scummiest person here (although that image is held through several games i share with you)

I actually feel bullied, have a real weak character and want a bodyguard.

I'm pretty sure you're just pissed off at me for reasons that have nothing to do with this game. Do you honestly want BM as your bodyguard? You hate the guy...

I'm actually just playing mafia which doesn't really have anything to do with personal feelings. I'm not pissed off at you, don't worry. I will only lynch you if I think you are scummy.
I don't hate BM either. I think his logic doesn't make any sence and he is useless in catching scum but I don't hate him.

Then again there was this guy called MasterChief who I was and still am willing to lynch just coz of him being him in any game. I don't hate him but he doesn't read the games at all, doesn't contribute at all and is a threat to the town regardless of his alligment. I still prefer replacing him aswell.

[Battle Mage]

wow. a prod.
I dont really have anything else to say atm, other than that i think RR's arguments are getting annoying. Im still happy with my vote for now.
BM

Prodding the following:

ac1983fan

Battle Mage

Keys Myaths
Paper
Pevergreen

[Battle Mage]

lol RR moaning about being flamed? how utterly ironic.

[Battle Mage]

Kisons claim doesnt have any flavour, and doesnt strike me as particularly believable. My vote stands unless he can prove me wrong.
BM

I'm a townie. What're you, the Dragon Reborn?

[Battle Mage]

of course i want the truth. Fact is, i dont believe you are telling it at the moment.

Kisons claim doesnt have any flavour, and doesnt strike me as particularly believable. My vote stands unless he can prove me wrong.
BM

I'm a townie. What're you, the Dragon Reborn?

Would you like for me to sing a song as I claim in order to "flavor" it? Or would you have me falsely claim? Because with that kind of remark, you don't seem to want the truth.

[Battle Mage]

i dont think RR was a bad townie. He has always struck me as a capable player in other games, and despite facing suspicion in those, he has not asked to be replaced. Im pretty sure he is scum, but if not, im certain he isnt a power role. I think Kison would be a good lynch for today.

FOS: MoS

-for sticking up for scum

I agree with TheJiveMachine. While I'm not going to wipe Kison's slate clean, I'm not going to run up a replacement on Day 1, when it's possible RR was just a really bad townie that couldn't cope with pressure.

[Battle Mage]

its simple really. I think RR could well be scum. You are sticking up for his replacement. Therefore, it isnt hard to understand how i could see you as potential scum.
Anyway, if u want proof, lets lynch Kison and find out.
BM

Battle Mage, please reference me to another game where RR has been run up for anything similar to this.

Also,

Hand of Stupidity: Battle Mage

You FoSed me on craplogic. You can't preemtively assume that I'm sticking up for scum when you haven't yet proven that said person I am "sticking up for" is scum. In addition, I fail to see how I am "sticking up for scum". Further, why are you singling me out, because if what I'm doing qualifies as "sticking up for someone", then you missed out on FoSing a lot of people.

You've got a lot of explaining to do, BM.

[Battle Mage]

his was the most recent example at the time. If i remember correctly, i only FOSed him. If i was going to place a vote on it, i would obviously take other players actions into account.
BM

*wizardcat-talking to the other players colloquially when you (if you are protown) have no idea of their affiliation IS a scumtell. Anyway, what you are saying is false. I didnt 'start a lynch', i merely saw that those who had started it had done so for good reasons.

Also, Battle Mage, MoS was not the only one that stood up for RR. I know I did, and I'm pretty sure other people did so as well. Why is it that you are only singling out MoS?

[Battle Mage]

rofl.
ive never seen anyone take an FOS so seriously.
ive also never seen such a blatant (and premature) OMGUS

his was the most recent example at the time. If i remember correctly, i only FOSed him. If i was going to place a vote on it, i would obviously take other players actions into account.
BM

That's not an acceptable explanation. Even if you are not voting me, you are trying to cast suspicion upon myself and myself alone by FoSing me and excluding everyone else. This makes me think that you have some sort of agenda, and the only people that would have an agenda are, well, scum.

vote: BM

[Battle Mage]

to me, it looks like you are trying to bus your buddy Kison, and then use his affiliation in order to lynch me tomorrow.
Nice...

I'll take an FoS seriously if it's made using craplogic while seemingly trying to raise suspicion on someone just to raise suspicion on them, as opposed to being a well-thought out FoS that actually shows that the person is trying to find scum. You don't look like you're trying to find scum. You look like you're trying to spread suspicion wherever possible. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if you were scumbuddies with Kison and tried to throw him under the bus when you saw that others were suspicious of him, and now you're trying to keep throwing him under the bus and link me to him using craplogic so that when you get him lynched, I'll get lynched the next day and you'll still look good because you led the lynch on a scum. That's what it looks like from here.

[Battle Mage]

wtf? is MoS turning the entire world into gibbering wrecks?

[Battle Mage]

QFAT.
MoS is just being defensive.

Shut up MoS.

[Battle Mage]

please-dont compare linear to oranges.

QFAT.
MoS is just being defensive.

Shut up MoS.

If I were being defensive, so to speak, my latest posts in their entirety would be devoted to protecting myself from the savage attacks of others. As it were, I have a tiny percentage of recent postings that involve a rebuttal of attack, so you are quite mistaken, Battle Mage.

[Battle Mage]

QFT. Whilst i dont think we are getting anywhere fast with our analysis of who is scum, i feel my thoughts being mirrored by SJs comments. Id say hes the one player so far who i am pretty sure is protown.
BM

Which makes it a good time to lynch because...?

[Battle Mage]

wow this game is having a lot of replacments.

[Battle Mage]

tis true, tis true. Im part of the cool crew.

[Battle Mage]

its ok. Skruffs seems to have a fetish for pointless meaningless votes...

I find Skruff's vote scummy. It seems like a lame scum reason trying to start something but. But, the only thing against it, is that the reason is bad. IT's more of a reason to defend Rand Althor

[Battle Mage]

this made me ROFL.
Also, im surprised that TheJiveMachine needs a prod. He is active in another game im in with him...

Oh, baby.
Hot erroneous votes turn me awwwwwn.


I was correcting the town's wagon. If someone walks into a rom and says "Fircoal is scum, he should claim" and then someone else says "I agree, fircoal should claim.", why does it make more sense to go after the person who agrees with the first person, rather than the person who originally walks into the room?

And why is this such a big deal for you? I like Twito, too. He's fun and oppurtunistic and has a bit of silliness which keeps things from getting too crazy. BUt I'm still going to vote for him if he's the right person to vote for.

[Battle Mage]

overly defensive much?

Lalmtreasteek is totally town.

FOS: Anyone who's going to try and frame him today.

IGMEOY: Kison

[Battle Mage]

lol TOUCHE!

Erm... so...with a tongue in my cheek, I ask, who would be more appropriate to frame, today?

[Battle Mage]

thats not true, and i dont like your haste to jump from player to player.

FOS: Twito

Im not sure whether i believe the claim. with a power like that, he could well be scum. similarly, its a role that can only be used from Night 2 onwards. Im thinking you could be scum trying to buy yourself sometime.
Its not a particularly useful role, and i would vote you because of it, but you havent been especially scummy up until now.

BM

Has a deadline been set yet? Because I feel that one is in need to speed the game up a little.

SCUM!
I wanna vote you for that. Deadline do nothing good to the games. They only help mafia. You are obviously mafia wanting to end the day quickly.
Actually I will vote you purely based on that. Nothing else is needed, you are scum.

Vote: scotmany12

[Battle Mage]

i would vote him because i dont believe his role is necessarily protown. I also dont see the need for a protown player to claim at this stage.
However, as i say, i wont vote him yet-at least until i have a reread of him individually.

BM : You would vote him

because

of his role? Please explain.

[Battle Mage]

i highly doubt Rand is stupid enough to claim an obscure role like that if it wasnt at least some way close to the truth.
arent you bloodthirsty, asking for all those modkills!?
i think acfan has a good point about the role. Obscure roles like that are usually found in theme games.
i also think Skruffs is right about Rand being a high target for all NKers now. We can probably stand to let him live another night.

How is a coroner different from a criminologist?

Im not sure whether i believe the claim. with a power like that, he could well be scum. similarly, its a role that can only be used from Night 2 onwards. Im thinking you could be scum trying to buy yourself sometime.

Good point but additionally you would also know if he was lying if there weren't enough deaths per night to warrant such a role.

Nope, I'm just a random guy posting votecounts

close enough, please modkill Cheesefan, ac1983fan, Zarvok, Mole, Paper, TheJiveMachine, Wizardcat, and Pevergreen

[Battle Mage]

EBWOP: With hindsight, i agree that some of those people need to be modkilled. Cheesefan has been inactive in all his games for ages, Mole has been inactive since i joined this site, and wizardcat is voting for me. obvious scum.

[Battle Mage]

please refer me to an occassion where i asked the towns opinion on lynching Rand. the fact is, im one of the few people not voting for him at the moment. It makes little sense that you suspect me for giving him due consideration, when you completely ignore those who currently hold him 3? from lynch.

Jalyn are you having fun with this ridiculous situation or what? I want to play a game but this game is crippled.

Can anyone argue there are probably more power roles among our dropouts than scum? If not then let's vote for modkills.

Also, no need to vote Rand, if we don't have enough kills for his role to make sense then we can lynch him then.

I don't know what the makeup of our missing folk are - townie, power or scum. Modkilling a third of our players, however, is unlikely to net us a particularly good result. And this is the second bad idea that you've come up with for the inactive players. More power roles isn't the issue - if there are two scum in that group modkilling them could be an effective, though cheap, way to win the game. If there is one, you've sacrificed 7 townies for one scum with no clues in his/her death, regardless of the number of power roles on the town side that are included. Do you see why this is an

insanely

bad idea?

I would, however, favor a

mod: please prod/replace the inactive people

Now with that said,

unvote. Vote:ac1983fan. FOS: Battle Mage

, we'll see soon enough what the likeliness of Rand's claimed role is - voting and feeling out for the town's feel on voting (like BM did) of a claimed power role is ridiculous.

[Battle Mage]

despite the fact that Acfan actually had a decent reason for his vote?
Is it really the case that every other RA voter can say the same?

please refer me to an occassion where i asked the towns opinion on lynching Rand. the fact is, im one of the few people not voting for him at the moment. It makes little sense that you suspect me for giving him due consideration, when you completely ignore those who currently hold him 3? from lynch.

Jalyn are you having fun with this ridiculous situation or what? I want to play a game but this game is crippled.

Can anyone argue there are probably more power roles among our dropouts than scum? If not then let's vote for modkills.

Also, no need to vote Rand, if we don't have enough kills for his role to make sense then we can lynch him then.

I don't know what the makeup of our missing folk are - townie, power or scum. Modkilling a third of our players, however, is unlikely to net us a particularly good result. And this is the second bad idea that you've come up with for the inactive players. More power roles isn't the issue - if there are two scum in that group modkilling them could be an effective, though cheap, way to win the game. If there is one, you've sacrificed 7 townies for one scum with no clues in his/her death, regardless of the number of power roles on the town side that are included. Do you see why this is an

insanely

bad idea?

I would, however, favor a

mod: please prod/replace the inactive people

Now with that said,

unvote. Vote:ac1983fan. FOS: Battle Mage

, we'll see soon enough what the likeliness of Rand's claimed role is - voting and feeling out for the town's feel on voting (like BM did) of a claimed power role is ridiculous.

Eh. It was the feeling I got from 611 & 613, hedging in your suspicions before the rest of the town really reacted, willing to go back and vote for him if everybody else didn't start unvoting/supporting his claim. Also, I'm not ignoring the people voting for Rand - that's the reason I voted for ac1983fan, if you noticed.

[Battle Mage]

same here. its no big loss.

CHeeesfan is replaced in all the other games I shared with him:P

[Battle Mage]

now whos fishing for town opinion?

Unvote, Vote: Jalyn

despite the fact that Acfan actually had a decent reason for his vote?
Is it really the case that every other RA voter can say the same?

Interesting. I think I'm quite happy with the ac1983fan vote at the moment. Though I'm now quite willing to switch to Battle Mage if the rest of the town would prefer that.

[Battle Mage]

nice move. Choose the 3 people who have been most actively posting, and offer them up for a lynch. I suppose the reason you are quite willing to leave the inactive players is that it allows the scum to dominate the lynch votes.

Big FOS: Kison

-this is only partially OMGUS.
I find myself in agreement with Lalmstreek, on the issue of inactivity. We really need to have some prods sent out, and some replacements ready. If we cant get replacements for everyone, i think it would be far better for the lurkers to get modkilled than to allow probable scum to slip under the radar.
Or, we could try lynching the inactive players, in order to avoid lynching any useful protown players. Perhaps a wagon can spring the lurkers into action?
BM

Lalmtreasteek
Battle Mage
ac1983fan

All three of these have been acting extremely scummy in the last two pages alone.

Unvote

Vote : Lalmtreasteek

Modkills? Are you kidding me?

[Battle Mage]

Ok, so maybe he hasnt been active overall in the game, but what i meant was that he had posted recently.
I dont think much of your scumhunting skills atm...

nice move. Choose the 3 people who have been most actively posting, and offer them up for a lynch. I suppose the reason you are quite willing to leave the inactive players is that it allows the scum to dominate the lynch votes.

Big FOS: Kison

-this is only partially OMGUS.
I find myself in agreement with Lalmstreek, on the issue of inactivity. We really need to have some prods sent out, and some replacements ready. If we cant get replacements for everyone, i think it would be far better for the lurkers to get modkilled than to allow probable scum to slip under the radar.
Or, we could try lynching the inactive players, in order to avoid lynching any useful protown players. Perhaps a wagon can spring the lurkers into action?
BM

Lalmtreasteek
Battle Mage
ac1983fan

All three of these have been acting extremely scummy in the last two pages alone.

Unvote

Vote : Lalmtreasteek

Modkills? Are you kidding me?

You are so scum. And probably with ac1983fan. He's one of the most active players? Heh - he's on Lalmstreasteeks modkill list - and posted right afterwards. He's barely spoken all day - hence me voting him over you at this moment. After days of inactivity, he popped up to vote for the claimed power role.

[Battle Mage]

ROFL!
This post makes such little sense it is hilarious! First off, you accuse people of being scummy for reccommending modkills, THEN you say you want a deadline?!

Your vote too makes little sense. You are voting me on the premise that i am defending Lalm and acfan, presumably because you think that they are scum aswell. Of course, you have neglected to realise that in the event of them being protown, you have absolutely no reason to vote for me. If you can come up with a REAL reason for voting me, please do so.

unvote

Modkills, are you kidding me. That helps the town out to no extent. The chance that we lose more scum than town is extremely low. So for that

Fos: Lalmtreasteek

.

Now BM, You are defending both lalm and ac, and you are also in favor of modkills. You sure, are going to receive my vote.

Vote: BM

Even though twito disagrees with me, I am still in favor of a deadline. We need to speed this game up a little bit.

also,

Major FOS: Fircoal

You try to fit in with the majority by accusing the 3 popular targets, yet your accusation of one of them is completely untrue.
trying to fit in, and yet make it look like you are making a new contribution?
Scum.

BM

[Battle Mage]

i agree with you and SV that Lalm probably isnt scum. Id go as far to say that Acfan is likely to be town. I obviously am town.
I dont know who im voting at the moment but if Jalyn keeps these ridiculous accusations up, i may have to vote for her.
BM

DP - vote lalms before you go. We havae our lynch rfor the day.

I'm going with impatient new player on Lalmstreasteek at the moment. Much more interested in Battle Mage or ac1983fan.

[Battle Mage]

ah, thats convenient.

@Skruffs-believe it or not, its true. Anyway, if i remember rightly, only 1 person suggested 8 modkills. I reccommended a maximum of 3, and acfan is now backtracking saying that he didnt want any.

I will send the role now.

BM

i agree with you and SV that Lalm probably isnt scum. Id go as far to say that Acfan is likely to be town. I obviously am town.
I dont know who im voting at the moment but if Jalyn keeps these ridiculous accusations up, i may have to vote for her.
BM

DP - vote lalms before you go. We havae our lynch rfor the day.

I'm going with impatient new player on Lalmstreasteek at the moment. Much more interested in Battle Mage or ac1983fan.

You're currently voting for me.

[Battle Mage]

theres not alot more i can say on this. i dont think Lalm is necessarily scum-certainly not for the reasons some are giving, but if he is, you can be sure as hell he is going to be bussed pretty damn soon.

[Battle Mage]

for a day that has lasted 29 pages, i would have expected a better result....

[Battle Mage]

Gah? Im suddenly drowning in this game...
Rand Althor claimed Criminologist? Why dont i remember that...
and now Lalm is claiming it aswell in some wierd attempt to confirm Rand?
Im VERY confused...


Also-Skruffs- ARE YOU SERIOUS? You want to lynch him, even though you find it a distinct possibility that he is town?
Im also very wary of Jalyn, who is now trying to be helpful to the person who she also wants to lynch...

[Battle Mage]

hang on a sec, what you are saying now doesnt make sense. If you are a Criminologist, surely that DISPROVES Rands claim, because the odds of multiple Criminologists would be low amirite?
so, if you are a Criminologist, please explain why you didnt counter RA when he first claimed.
BM

Whatever, I'm just saying that some people are being pretty deliberate in not even trying to understand my explanations for my actions.

I don't know if criminologists can have sanities, but it doesn't seem like a powerful role anyway even if Rand Althor is the one who's naive or something. I have seen lots of games where more than one person dies in the night and I don't think there is so much worry about WHO killed them.

So lynch me, and you get a pretty confirmed player at least.

[Battle Mage]

ah, but there is a pretty major difference. Panda Bear isnt a role, it is more of a flavour name. Criminologist on the other hand, is the name of a role which is not uncommon. I wouldnt be especially surprised if scum made it up. What WOULD surprise me is the presence of multiple Criminlogists, when in my mind, there is little need for more than 1.

Well it's like if my role were "panda bear" and then somebody else claims "panda bear." What are the odds there are two panda bears, probably better than the odds that a scum just came up with that role.

[Battle Mage]

i agree with Kisons verdict, however i agree with Jalyn that this is not what Lalm means.
can someone please explain why on earth we would possibly have a game with 2 criminologists?

Well it's like if my role were "panda bear" and then somebody else claims "panda bear." What are the odds there are two panda bears, probably better than the odds that a scum just came up with that role.

BM : He means that Rand would be confirmed scum, not confirmed town criminologist.

That's the exact opposite of how I read this? And I would take it the same way as Lalmtreasteek. It's much more likely that the mod would include two of the same uncommon role than that mafia would randomly manage to role claim one that happens to actually be in the game. It's not like Rand claimed cop or doc - then a counterclaim makes sense.

[Battle Mage]

this actually makes more sense (though i wouldnt go as far to say you are confirmed).
if Lalm were scum, the easist thing to do would be to copy Rand, seeing as it is easier than thinking of another role himself.
I still dont see why the mod would create a game with 2 of the same crappy power role...

I'm thinking Lalm is trying to save himself here by copying a role that's already been confirmed.

Vote count?

[Battle Mage]

QFAT.

Fool, take your vote off. The more voters on you(if you're town), the more information we get.

I'd also like a couple others to take their votes off for the time being, as im intrigued to hear Rand answer the request made by Jalyn. I have a strange feeling that both Rand and Lalm are who they say they are, despite logic telling me otherwise.
Oh yes, and

Unvote, Vote: SV

for what looks like opportunism. Voting someone solely because of their claim is a pretty scummy thing to do, ESPECIALLY if that person has claimed a power role.
I think there is more to be learnt from this day, therefore it is my strong recommendation that someone takes their vote off Lalm, long enough for us to test his claim against Rand-who i agree is highly unlikely to be scum.

BM

[Battle Mage]

yes, but most of the day has been pretty uneventful, up until the last few pages. If you really wanted Rand to answer the question posed by you, you would prolong the day in order to get the answer which could reveal alot. Instead, i suggest that you probably made the request without expecting a response. Until we get a response from Rand, i maintain that neither player is likely to be scum. instead, im leaning towards those who have their votes on him.
BM

Battle Mage, you realize that we are on page 31 on day 1 of a DAY START game?

I also want Rand to answer my question, but I'm not going to hold on to this day any longer than necessary at this point.

[Battle Mage]

Skruffs-whether Lalm is town or scum, the fact is, we could learn alot more by keeping him alive until we can interrogate him further. I highly expect him to come up town, however if he isnt, that certainly doesnt make me scum. Hell, im not stupid enough to go all out to protect my scumbuddy (yeh i know its WIFOM, but whatever) IF on the other hand, Lalm does come up scum, you will be top of my lynch list tomorrow, for blatantly bussing your buddy and simultaneously incriminating a protown player for tomorrow.
As for your actual comments, they are completely wrong. Im not even going to dignify the last sentence with an answer.

also,

HOS: Scotmany

you are 'ready for this day to end'?
wtf is that about? i cant recall your last valid contribution, but i think you at least owe an explanation for your late and poorly reasoned vote...

IT looks like we really will need every active player to vote if we want a lynch to happen. Sad-funny, but true.

Vote : Lalmastreak

BM - you better hope lalm IS town, you've been quasi defending him all day - to the point of saying that he was more likely a criminologist than rand.
just saying.

[Battle Mage]

you IDIOT! Are you suicidal or something? for crying out loud take the vote off yourself.

@Rand-dont think ive forgotten about you. Whilst im pretty sure atm that you are protown, i think your unwillingness to co-operate is bad for your case.

Furthermore, i have a suggestion for anyone on the Lalm wagon. Why not test his claim? after all, by lynching him today, Rand will inevitably be killed tonight, and we lose 2 protown power roles. IF on the other hand, we let them BOTH live, 1 will inevitably be killed but the other will have a result which we can validate during the day tomorrow.
It makes no sense to lynch a claimed power role when we could just do the above.
oh and in case im not around tomorrow (which would be an awful shame) i think the following people need lynching:

Scotmany and SpectrumVoid

i also suggest that you watch Jalyn closely. that is all.

BM

Like I said

Hopefully those of you reluctant to be voting me at least see what I was talking about with inactive players screwing up the voting requirement.

Main post later if I still live.

[Battle Mage]

rofl. try reading the post above yours. if followed, it will save the town the loss of 2 protown power roles, and probably catch scum today. i can think of few more valid contributions than that.

Um, maybe you would like to point out your last valid contribution before you accuse me of not having one.

[Battle Mage]

dude, stop it before i wet myself laughing!
i mean seriously, im blatantly town. Lalm is almost certainly town aswell. In fact, your so blatanly scum im starting to think its a little TOO easy. I still think SV is more likely to be scum than you, and if you are scum, you arent going to be particularly tricky to spot.

Except that both you and lalm are scum so that is where you are wrong.

[Battle Mage]

having a long day is not always a bad thing. Look at Board Games Mafia. it was day 2 on about 50 pages, however all that discussion allowed the town to eventually catch scum (me).
This game is by no means unusually long. its probably over the average day length, but considering the amount of claims we have had its hardly surprising.
something you seem to have neglected to mention is the fact that its hardly likely that Lalm would fake such a claim. realistically, even the biggest noob in the world would claim something reasonable like vanilla townie, or cop etc. The fact that Lalm didnt is interesting. He is either the biggest idiot in the world, or the unluckiest guy in the world. The fact is, i dont think he is the former, and so he must be the latter.

im 90% sure that Lalm is town. im 95% sure that Rand is town. the fact is, im still not sure what we would have to gain by having 2 or more criminologists. i havent seen them in games before and suddenly they are everywhere here.

I really hope the town takes my suggestion seriously. I dont give a flying **** if the day is getting a bit long, if we can make sure we make the right kill. thats what this game is about. if you want to quit, fine. There are plenty of people who would want to replace into such an enthralling game.

BM

Battle Mage.

This is DAY ONE of a DAY START. It has been going on for almost two months and is almost to the 32nd page. (In fact, this may start it.)

I'm all for long days and getting information but this is ridiculous. IH dropped out because it was too much pages and pages ago. DP wants to drop the game because it's too long. I would not be surprised if many of our inactives simply aren't reading anymore because it's absurdly long. The day needs to end now.

Personally, I'm reasonably sure that we've caught scum here. My only question on Lalmtreasteek's claim is whether he copied Rand because he thought his scum buddy had a good idea or if he wanted to muddy the waters about a pro-town role. Hence my taking the time to try and get the confirmation earlier - I was very interested to see whether Rand would try to confirm Lalmtreasteek. He's been very non-commital, which is also interesting.

mod[/]: Have you had a chance to think about my suggestion in post 670?

[Battle Mage]

time shouldnt be an object in these games. this hasnt been that long time wise. if you want to see a long game with little progress, check out the Kingmaker game i am in. Its been going for 6 months and i believe we are on day 3 atm...
BM

By LONG he not only means post-wise, but TIME. The game you are referring to was full of nonsense. This one is full of relevant debates that have taken way too long to be carried out.

[Battle Mage]

attempt at a hammer? dontcha just hate it when the one time you commit yourself, you cock up and make yourself look as scummy as hell in the process?

FOS: Fircoal

@Lalm, the question i think that boggles me, is WHY WOULD WE NEED MORE THAN ONE protown criminologist? i actually agree with SV that having a scum criminologist and a town criminologist makes more sense, however in that scenario, it is certainly the case that ANY SCUMBAG CAN CLAIM CRIMINOLOGIST. To this end SV, you have put serious doubt in my mind about Rands claim, as well as Lalms. Nonetheless, im concerned at how few people have taken my earlier suggestion seriously-enough to comment on it.
Only Skruffs has bothered to answer it so far, and his answer wasnt reassuring. In fact, he seemed more concerned about waking up his inactive scumbuddys than actually lynching scum today.

Personally, i think anyone choosing to remain on the Lalm wagon is either completely stupid, or scum. Its pretty easy to test such a claim, and we can always lynch him tomorrow if he doesnt meet expectations. Presumably the scum will lynch 1 of them tonight, but by keeping the other we allow the town an opportunity to make use of the role. By killing Lalm today, you deprive the town of both criminologists tomorrow!


BM

Kison, I don't think I was voting Laml before, but I will now.

Vote: Laml

Your claim seems unlikely, and also you wanted a game in which the role was in. Maybe looking for how it's played?

[Battle Mage]

perhaps overall, but the fact remains that SV suggested that due to the nature of the role, it is possible in some circumstances to have them of different affiliation. I took this a stage further by stating that perhaps that is the case in this game.
BM

Battle Mage your statement is diametrically opposed to what SV said:

BM: I find it impossible to believe that
1) There are 2 of the same role in these game, but of different alignment, due to the nature of the role.

i actually agree with SV that having a scum criminologist and a town criminologist makes more sense, however in that scenario, it is certainly the case that ANY SCUMBAG CAN CLAIM CRIMINOLOGIST.

[Battle Mage]

but Criminogists are a pretty rubbish protown role.

@Lalm, the question i think that boggles me, is WHY WOULD WE NEED MORE THAN ONE protown criminologist?

Why would you "need" more than one cop then. One can die. If ANY other roles come out you can bet a criminologist isn't getting doc protection in this game.

[Battle Mage]

oh dear. im beginning to regret defending you now-as this post doesnt do your appearance any favours. despite my near certainty that you are protown, that post alone is worthy of an

FOS: Lalm

I had those same doubts when I proposed modkills!

Maybe we can be friends scotmany. I will call a truce with you and not try to lynch you until tomorrow. Today we can lynch a dropout or something. Twito is getting close to looking like a dropout and luckily he's scum as well.

[Battle Mage]

lol the only thing i find more offensive than your patronising tone, is the fact that you seem to consider me to be the worst Mafia member ever.
your assurance that Lalm is scum only makes me think that you are trying to cut your losses and bus your own buddy, in order to get me lynched tomorrow (which is almost certain).
i also note your haste to lie in order to put suspicion onto me. the TRUTH is, that i am more confident of Rands claim than most people here. However, unlike you, im quite willing to point out something that doesnt add up if i see it. Its what being a good scumcatcher is all about.
in light of this post im starting to see you as potential scum. The fact that no-one listens to me, means that you certainly wont get lynched for a while, but at least i can say i was onto you from the start
BM

BM - yes, exactly. Llama picked out all 8 of my sscum buddies; I'm the only active one. So you can understand why I need to lynch the all-knowing llamatoday... before he finds out even more. BEcause obviously I wouldn't want players- any players - to be active.

I really think lalm claimed criminologist, thinking it worked for rand, so it will work for him, too. I think BM has been flopping around trying to defend Lalm afterwards. So yeah, as much as i hate thinking that we may be lynching an inspection role, BM has been way, way too obvious in defending his own scum buddy, Lalm.

As has been said by both clalimed criminologists, They start using their night actions night 2. So someone has to die first tongiht, and then they do their thing... the next night.. on the person who died tonight.

I think the most damning thing you've done BM is how you seem to still be trying to discredit Rand's claim of a role that I (dunno about everyone else) have not seen before in any games - a mutated coroner role - but you seem more willing to believe Lalm's secondary claiming of the same role.

This, to me, is a big tell.

So Imma gonna vote Lalm again.
I'm going to do a quicksy vote count, first, though - I know lalm unvoted so it's not going to end the day, just want to make sure. no reason to interrupt a good convo.

[Battle Mage]

ok a few things that need saying.
1. Just because i FoSed Lalm, it certainly doesnt mean i think he is scum.
2. I believe i said that IF Lalm comes up scum, your attempt to plan a lynch a day ahead means that you are likely to be scum aswell.
3. your last statement is correct but i dont think it applies to either one of us does it?
4. Stop saying that i want to lynch Rand, when ive actually stated quite clearly that i think he is the most protown player in this game. Dramatising everything i say and taking it out of context while doing so, is HIGHLY scummy.
5. If you are town in this game, i am going to laugh so hard at your lack of quality input in this game!

You say that I am bussing my own buddy so that I can get you lynched tommorrow, right?
It can be inferred by that that you think that me and Lalm are scum together.
Which means you do think lalm is scum.
And then, at -1, you FOS him. Distancing much?
And somehow , thinking that me and him are scum together, you still refrain from lynching or even voting him.
I'm willing to be lynched tommorrow as lalm's 'scum buddy' tommorrow if it means we lynch scum today.

Not lynching someone because you think they will turn up scum is... horribly horribliy not pro-town.

@Scotmany-i made a DAMN GOOD case against you. you are currently the second scummiest person in the game-just trailing behind good old Skruffs here.

also, id like to note that how Lalm comes up today will dramatically affect my judgement on tomorrow. If he comes up town, i think i can pretty assuredly say that Kison is also town, as he put alot of emphasis on Lalm coming up scum, implying that this is genuine. If Lalm comes up scum, i will inevitably the lynch for tomorrow, but i suspect the obvious scumbags in this scenario are those who have tried to distance themselves-Primarily Kison and Skruffs.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Oh dear Kison...
an FOS does NOT mean that you are about to vote for someone, otherwise there would be little point in the concept. FOS means that something someone has said or done makes them look scummy. Im being completely impartial, by correctly commenting on an occassion where Lalm made a scummy post. It certainly doesnt mean (as i asserted earlier btw) that i think he is scum, because i am pretty convinced to the contrary.
your failure to:
1. Read the thread with any detail.
2. Read my posts in the context with which they were meant.
makes me vary suspicious of you.
im well aware that by continuing to defend Lalm, i leave myself open to be lynched tomorrow, but quite frankly i dont care. I am almost certain he is simply noob town, and even if he was scum, it certainly doesnt mean that i am.
In fact, i find it highly insulting that you think i would go to such lengths to defend my scumbuddy, while resulting in the inevitable death of both.
im not sure why Lalm hasnt voted me. I havent done anything particularly protown, and i would be wary of someone who bothered to stand up for me to that extent. Nonetheless, he is probably also aware that i havent been atall scummy enough to deserve a lynch (unless Lalm is scum himself in which i may have been )

Ive noticed that the wagon seems to be moving from Lalm onto me which actually gives me more faith in my defence of Lalm. Obviously the scum have realised that i am a worthier target (solely because im more experienced and mouthy) and has decided just to NK him.
Still, at least if i die you will realise that Lalm isnt my scumbuddy and hopefully recognise that his claim is probably genuine.

BM

I find it laughable that you are trying to make Battle Mage out to be an innocent guy by comparing him to me. Notice how Battle Mage was

certain

that you were innocent.

Yet in the very same post he suspects you are guilty.

.

despite my near certainty that you are protown, that post alone is worthy of an

FOS: Lalm

You can't be "near certain" that someone is pro-town and at the same time give off an FoS. An FoS is used to indicate that you are preparing to vote for someone.

That is a direct contradiction.

BM is stupidly trying to reverse his stance so that he's not suspected tomorrow, and you're trying to divert attention. Nice try...

[Battle Mage]

And Kison is correct if Laml is scum, BM is scum.

BS.
I mean, i can understand the reasoning, but id be particularly surprised if the town was stupid enough to go along with that flawed theory entirely.
im really concerned about your certainty in such a mine-wrought statement....

[Battle Mage]

Lalm is absolutely right in the post above this. Skruffs, why must you continue lying when i have explained several times that your claims are untrue. I do not think Rand is more likely scum than Lalm based on the claims. I believe that they are both town. What does worry me is your willingness to use Rands role as a weapon. You are playing on common townie fear of losing a power role in order to incriminate a fellow protown player. I DO NOT WANT RAND LYNCHED. Is that big enough for you?

I do agree with you though that there is no real reason to continue this day any longer. I have made it quite clear that there are viable alternatives that will help the town much more, but as no1 else will co-operate there is little more to be gained by continuing the day further. On the other hand, i will certainly not be joining the Lalm wagon, as i feel it would be hypocritical to do so when i am so sure that he is protown.
actually, i disagree about your 1 criminologist theory. I have a feeling that this game does have a theme, with flavour etc, but the mod isnt revealing it. i modded a game in a similar way before and it worked pretty well. kept everyone guessing.

Answer me this: What info do we gain from lynching Lalm?
all we get is a huge list of suspects, because basically all the active players have been keen to play a part in this lynch...
even if he comes up scum, we dont gain any information as such (except the probability that Kison is also scum as proven earlier), because its highly likely that the Mafia will sit back and let you guys lynch me and waste another day.

actually, you have brought up here the

1

weakness of Rands claim-the fact that the mafia COULD have guessed that the town would have a criminologist. Its not as rare a role as you might think-in my experience it is more common than a Vig/SK. Of course, a criminologist is only useful in games where there are lots of different killing groups. If one mafia group had only 2 or 3 people, they would have assumed that there was probably another scumgroup, and an SK perhaps. This of course makes the role of Criminologist quite realistic, and it wouldnt surprise me if a Mafia member suggested it as a decent false-claim.
Im not saying i think Rand is scum, as that is certainly not true, but i am saying that his claim isnt watertight to the extent that some people are pretending is the case.

Lalm - yesh, i would think battle mage would, if you were town. everyone has to play devil's advocate to make the game move forward. BM is not helping the day end, though - which i think we are all ready for tohappen. So unless we want to go to nolynch, i think you should be lynched, mostly because i doubt there's two "criminologists" in a normal, flavorless mafia.

There is no deadline or anything, and the passion of the moment has passed for me - I'm not going to say without doubt that you are defintely scum - but if ou are - everyone almost has commented on you and we have a lot of info that could be made available with the knowledge of your real role and alignment.

THe biggest reason i think BM might be scum is because he seems to be still trying to suggest that

rand

is more likely the fake claim, when rand claimed first, and it's a role that could be for all intents and purposes made up! THough i think it's real. SO him defending you so scummily is not helping your case any.

[Battle Mage]

ok then, to try another tact, what scummy things

DID

i do?
why is ac1983fan scum?

I hate this day...

It's been a bit... frustrating.

I'm currently happy with my vote.

Skruffs is ... confusing. Unless I'm misreading, he appears to be accusing Battle Mage of the one scummy thing that he

didn't

do.

I still think ac1983fan is scum.

[Battle Mage]

QFAT. Lalm basically said what i was thinking there, so thanks.
ill respond to the rest of Skruffs ravings in a minute.

"I do not think Rand is more likely scum than Lalm based on the claims."
"I believe that they are both town. "
"I DO NOT WANT RAND LYNCHED. "
"i disagree about your 1 criminologist theory. "
"actually, you have brought up here the

1

weakness of Rands claim-the fact that the mafia COULD have guessed that the town would have a criminologist. "
"This of course makes the role of Criminologist quite realistic, and it wouldnt surprise me if a Mafia member suggested it as a decent false-claim.
Im not saying i think Rand is scum, as that is certainly not true, but i am saying that his claim isnt watertight to the extent that some people are pretending is the case."

So why is this a 'weakness' in

Rand's

claim, and not

lalm

's?

You here quote a bunch of statements none of which say Rand is more likely to be scum than myself.

The reason the particular weakness of Rand's claim isn't in my claim is that my claim has a different weakness (I could be copying Rand) which Battle Mage is aware of and realistically you should be too.

You are just picking up whatever isn't nailed down to use as evidence

[Battle Mage]

if you had any grasp atall on how i played, you would not be voting for Lalm at this point. Evidently you join the myriad of other players who thought they could metagame me, and failed spectacularly.
That is, unless you are scum, which is a strong possibility at this point. (though i have to say that i would expect scum to keep a lower profile at this point in the day).

Lalm - I've been watching a few people pretty closely. I don't have much else to do, honestly. Inasmuch, I have read all of BM's posts, even the entire posts he quotes at the bottom of each one (Which is unnecessary and irrelevant) closely. Which is why I'm talkign about what you guys are doing and what I think about it - becuase I get a very strong feeling that there is scum up to something between the two of you and one or two others. I'll take it you are disregarding that post and askign me to comb through the rest of BM's posts to find all the information which you yourself have already read, and responded to, and others have as well.
I *like* BM as a player - and after another game or two with him in it I feel that I have a loose grasp on how he plays.

I also notice he's not in the 13 or so people you've asked to have lynched/modkilled.

[Battle Mage]

it was me who said Criminologists were fairly common-admittedly in contradiction to my views earlier in the game, as surprising as it may sound, ive played alot more games since then, and have had the role myself on several occassions.

I don't remember saying criminologists are "fairly common" and given your track record I believe I will not go back and look to see if I actually did say anything like that.

[Battle Mage]

ROFLMAO!
So you think defending probable town is a scumtell now? WTF are you on?!
if you consider trying to stop some protown players making a big mistake a scumtell, then i am as scummy as hell. Unfortunately your logic is more screwed than everyone says mine is. And THAT is saying something.
i really hope i dont get involved if too many games where you are protown, if you consider good townsmanship to be going along with the majority and only considering the obvious solution to be the right one.
Note: i dont think you are scum. If you were, you would certainly not draw attention to yourself in such dramatic fashion-ESPECIALLY if Lalm comes up town, as you would be a popular lynch for tomorrow.
I just think you are noob town, who isnt really of much value at this point. about the equivalent of a lurker, but a tad more annoying.

BM

[quote="lalms']The reason the particular weakness of Rand's claim isn't in my claim is that my claim has a different weakness (I could be copying Rand) which Battle Mage is aware of and realistically you should be too.

I would think that similar claims would have similar weakenesses.Your claim, coming after Rand, is the same as rand's, however, it has

additional weaknesses

. That of being copied, for one. That of coming after you didn't counter claim,, and in fact acted like you didn't even know what the role DID at first.

Remember when you asked how it differed from a coroner's role? Now you are saying it's fairly common - though I don't see others not directly involved in thsi situation backing up that claim, just you and BM.


For some reason BM ignores the obvious, and tries to target anyone else other than you.

All of my scumbells are ring-ring-ringing. Maybe they've all been offset by really slopy townsmanship - if BM ahdn't started so obviously trying to defend you than the attention on you would have passed. Maybe. But now I'm going to just keep pushing for it.[/quote][/quote]

[Battle Mage]

bah- i used Skruffs messed up quote thingies.

[Battle Mage]

MAIN TARGET?

Are you f***ing serious? I have never seen such blatant scumminess go unnoticed before. Its really hard for me to imagine a scenario in which you arent ALL scum!
as for you scotmany, ill hook out the case in a bit.
BM

It still only counts as one, Lalms.
PEople on BM/1983/etc, please redirect votes to main target.

[Battle Mage]

actually screw quoting-just read the bottom half of page 31, and then tell me you arent the scummiest guy in the game!

@Lalm-at least when the game ends, we can laugh at all the so-called experienced players who got it wrong.

[Battle Mage]

yes, but multiple killing roles are unlikely to be co-ordinated enough to necessarily NK both. even with 2 scum groups, there is a good chance only 1 criminologist would be NKed.

the fact is, there isnt alot more we can say. I am utterly convinced that Lalm is protown, and im amazed that no-one else can see it. If im wrong, i guess ive made a total cock up, but if im right, ive just helped the town save a power role. Forgive me for taking the logical approach and sticking with my convictions.

I believe it is YOU who is acting scummy, by insisting on ending the day, and quite literally begging for someone YOU DONT EVEN THINK IS SCUM to get lynched.

your general joy at seeing Lalm get nearer to a lynch is sickening. If the town doesnt lynch you tomorrow, then i think we can safely say that the scum will win-coz believe me, scum dont come alot easier than that!
BM

BM - you mean the post where we say that we should let them both live, and only one will be killed?
Doesn't that mean you think there is only one kill per night?
Which means you think the criminologists aren't real roles? Because the criminologists are around to determine which (of obviously more than one choice) role killed someone.

Not making much sense.

Also - It's going to be hard to get the entire active portion of the game to consider themselves as scum. I'm not scum. But I'd like to ask everyone who is not scum buddies with me to please join in in ending the day.


The biggest problem that you guys are facing is the way in which you are defending y yourselves - you are saying you are obviously town and we are stupid for not believing you, when there's no real evidence to suggest that - if you had claimed millers, or something, i would have probably not been so insistent, but you raen't. You're just happily defending yourselves, sometimes contradicting yourselves in teh same sentence, misconstruing what yourselves and others are saying and basically saying "We say we are town together so we are and you are scummy for not believing us" .. that's not helpful. Asking for modkills is not helpful. FOSing everyone who pays attention to you, is not helpful.

If you are town, then yes, it sucks to be mislynched day one, but from my viewpoint, you rae not doing anything that is going to convince other people otherwise.

[Battle Mage]

no-i dont believe i ever said that Twito was scummy. Certainly i dont find him so. Neither do i think Kison is scummy, assuming Lalm is town. It is only if Lalm comes up scum that i think Kison will be a prime suspect.
As it stands, Skruffs and Scotmany are 2 of the scummiest people here, and i have made a strong case against both them.
YOU on the other hand, have failed to make much impact in this game atall. Its not enough just to SAY you are playing. You actually have to contribute.
@Skruffs-oh goody, more crap for me to delve through. No offence, but i expect i can find 10 inconsistencies of yours, for every 1 of mine.

as a note, i actually disagree with SV's post (which Lalm agreed to). I find it odd that we have multiple criminologists, but i think that it is probably the truth. I dont think that a Mafia-Affiliated criminologist would work btw.

BM

LAml, and BM, you keep on saying Scotmany, Skruffs, And Twito are scummy. But I have yet to see any proof behind hind them but your case on Skruffs. ALso you've frequintly changed your targets. You've choosen SCotmany, Skruffs, Kison and Twito all as scum in different posts, and you don't stick to one of them for a long time. You also haven't proven your defense.

Also, who here orinigally signed up for this game and is actually still posting.
I am. Who else?

[Battle Mage]

i must repeat the sentiments of MoS-*sigh*.
Scotmany, ive reiterated the case against you on multiple occassions, you obviously just have reading trouble. If you care to look back at the last 5 or 6 pages, you will see there is enough evidence against you to lynch you on the spot.

Oh, and i have a message for our new replacements:
Dont be bullied into hammering Lalm. Read the thread, and form your own opinions, before you allow yourself to witness the scum propaganda we have had lately. If you genuinely think Lalm is scum, then please feel free to vote for him, but DONT JUST VOTE FOR HIM FOR CONVENIENCE's sake! Others, rightfully, feel the day has been long enough, but a mislynch would be even worse after this amount of time.
Heres hoping you see sense.
BM

Except that you haven't made a good case against me BM. The only thing you have done is called me scum. You keep saying that you made a case against me, but you never did that. Maybe if you are so convinced that I am scum then you should actually start creating a case against me.

Fircoal, I originally signed up for this game as well.

[Battle Mage]

wow, shit. Looks like im dead tomorrow.
anyway, a quick point here, as i dont understand, is a safe-claim 100% guaranteed? if so, Rand cannot be Criminologist, as it would make your safe claim unsafe. I think ur BSing about that.
i also dont get why you say 'your partner'. does that mean we have 2 scumgroups or what?
I regret defending you now (OBVIOUSLY) but your scumbuddies have done a wonderful job of bussing you.
Kison is pretty likely scum now, but you cant avoid the fact you have claimed. Skruffs is also certain scum. His last post has a distinct air of a farewell post to his buddy.
Never thought id do this, but:

Unvote, Vote: Lalm

1 hammer i never thought id do.
BM

Ok. If the replacements don't kill me the deadline will.

I'm mafia. When I first replied to Rand Althor's claim, I slipped up. Because actually criminologist is MY safe claim. I don't really understand what is "safe" about it if Rand Althor really is a criminologist though. The only thing I can think of is that maybe it's Rand Althor's safe claim also, and I was supposed to see his claim and then not use mine and instead use something else. So I would have to guess that Rand Althor is a serial killer or a cult maybe. Because it makes no sense to me that I would have it as a safe claim when it's actually in the game. If that IS the case, once Rand is dead, I will be asking the mod what was up

Thanks for the game everybody. And goooo mafia, hope my partner can win!

unvote, vote: Lalmtreasteek

[Battle Mage]

wow, shit. Looks like im dead tomorrow.
anyway, a quick point here, as i dont understand, is a safe-claim 100% guaranteed? if so, Rand cannot be Criminologist, as it would make your safe claim unsafe. I think ur BSing about that.
i also dont get why you say 'your partner'. does that mean we have 2 scumgroups or what?
I regret defending you now (OBVIOUSLY) but your scumbuddies have done a wonderful job of bussing you.
Kison is pretty likely scum now, but you cant avoid the fact you have claimed. Skruffs is also certain scum. His last post has a distinct air of a farewell post to his buddy.
Never thought id do this, but:

Unvote, Vote: Lalm

1 hammer i never thought id do.
BM

Ok. If the replacements don't kill me the deadline will.

I'm mafia. When I first replied to Rand Althor's claim, I slipped up. Because actually criminologist is MY safe claim. I don't really understand what is "safe" about it if Rand Althor really is a criminologist though. The only thing I can think of is that maybe it's Rand Althor's safe claim also, and I was supposed to see his claim and then not use mine and instead use something else. So I would have to guess that Rand Althor is a serial killer or a cult maybe. Because it makes no sense to me that I would have it as a safe claim when it's actually in the game. If that IS the case, once Rand is dead, I will be asking the mod what was up

Thanks for the game everybody. And goooo mafia, hope my partner can win!

unvote, vote: Lalmtreasteek

[Battle Mage]

dang-dead again.
lol

[Battle Mage]

wow. 3 replacement on 1 page. things mustve been bad while i was away
anyway im back now. as Patrick said, its fine as i had no extra information as such.
i will reread day 2 (which i havent been here for) and then comment with my thoughts.
hope you guys arent too miffed at having me back?

BM

[Battle Mage]

lol yes im back and i intend to take revenge on the dumbass scumbag who killed me.

BM, you're dea- *reads above* Oh.
Welcome back.
Fresh slate, promise.
Day 2 was lost but we made a new one which is almost as good.

[Battle Mage]

Twito, spot on once again.
I havent had a great deal to reread. my first thoughts are that Kison was immensely scummy yesterday, with the knowledge that Lalm was scum.
im also wary of RA. as said before, i seriously doubted that multiple crims would exist-and no1 has managed to explain the point of this to me.
I think that Scotmany and Skruffs are likely town after the amount Lalm was pushing them, despite their scumminess throughout day 1.
BM

People I'd lynch today: Kison, Rand, SJ

[Battle Mage]

the fact is, he was obviously bussed. i find it hard to believe that any mafioso wasnt on his wagon at the end of the day...
also, i think S

V

's comments about the safe-claim being crap could be an attempt to play down the confession of Lalm, seeing as SV looked very scummy yesterday. i think Rand should be allowed to prove his claim tomorrow, though frankly i dont really believe it.
Im happy with a Kison or SV lynch today.
BM

So neither of you have anything to say about SJ's blatant defense of mafia?

[Battle Mage]

ill show you a bit later. i still need to make a decision on which one of you my vote should go today.
BM

I'd be going with the idea that either lalm or Rand Althor is scum. I haven't decided which, but I find it unlikely

I'm leaning more towards lalm being scum, reason being RA scum could not have been so lucky as to guess a claim right. This is a 180 swing from my previous newbie-but-not-scum opinion, but is made in the light of his claim.

vote: lalm

BM: Was this the post? In my next post, almost instantly, I said ignore that first bit. I started typing without reading the claim. I was also 7th/8th in a wagon of 11th. What exactly do you mean when you say I looked scummy yesterday?

[Battle Mage]

it should be noted that, at the time of Rands claim, i genuinely didnt realise i was also a criminologist. it was only later when i checked my own role pm that i realised. There should be a post of mine in which i suddenly show disbelief at such a claim. I think this resolves Skruffs and Jalyns point. the fact is, i most certainly wasnt scum then, so trying to point out my previous scumminess is BS.
BM

[Battle Mage]

i can talk, because im alive again. Note that i only brought it up in response to your point that went over old ground. Any logical player would point out the same-BM died and was found to be protown. Going on about how scummy he was achieves nothing.
as for my wording, it was worded that way in order to emphasise the fact that, whilst i was undisputedly town then, i MAY not be now for all you know. I AM, but i cant prove it at this point. Obviously since BM 1 died already his role is pretty conclusive.
i have no idea what you mean about playing without knowing your alignment. i dont see why that is relevant here, though fyi, a good mafia player WOULD play the same regardless of alignment, making them very hard to crack as scum.
BM

what jalyn said. THere were people who expressed doubt and then believed it.
And BM - you can't talk after you are dead. I know you are in the game, but you can't speak for dead players.
Also, your wording suggests that you were town then, and scum now.
I don't understand how people can play games without knowing what their role or alignment is. Not criticizing it, it's just a foreign concept to me. Of course, my alignment is always the same, so maybe it's easier for me.

[Battle Mage]

IF i was town???
are you serious?

FOS: Skruffs

i really cant believe you are trying to put suspicion on a dead, and confirmed protown player....

BM, the criminologist BM is dead, and while you are still BM the player, you can not explain what you did as town, if you were town. SEcondly, I'm not sayign that BM was scummy - I'm pointing out someone's description of a player they think of ascum's actions and comparing them to a town player.

Defending a dead player, THAT achieves nothing, and distracts from the game.
I was referring to you having no clue what your role was until 25 or so pages into a game.

[Battle Mage]

what are you getting at here?
Skruffs made a point insinuating that the dead BM Criminologist is scummy. I pointed out that this is irrelevant. I also said that i hadnt realised that at the time. Of course, a clever player would note that my comments now are certainly not foolproof. I could easily be scum who is lying to prove a point. Certainly what i say is not going to impinge on the gameplay.
also, since when did you speak for Skruffs? the problem with doing so, is that i have to respond to the same crappy arguments twice.

Then don't believe it, because he's not. The point is that no one who replaces back into the game, regardless of their original allignment, should explain what they were thinking when they said something. That "role" is dead and can no longer explain what they meant or when they typo'd or whatever.

[Battle Mage]

im not lynching an all out war against him. im not even sure with any conviction that he is scum, although his behaviour has been dubious.

Only BM can die and come back to haunt us with his logic! [/joke]

On a more serious note, BM, I don't think Skruffs is stupid.

Maybe

I am wrong, but I seriously doubt it. You may want to ask for clarification before you launch into an all out war against him.

[Battle Mage]

man this is ridiculous. i dont even know what you two are getting at. i made 1 comment, which means nothing anyway. Its like saying: I'm town here, so i must be town in Game xxx. Also Skruffs, you gotta realise that opinions change. Your certainly not confirmed town in my book, but you arent at the stage where your paranoia is justified. lol

*Triple post!

thank you, jalyn.
BM, if you are town now, or if you are scum, now, you can not say stuff about yourself now that you didn't before. There's no way to verify if you are being honest or not - AND THIS IS NOT SAYING YOU AREn'T BEING HONEST - but it's not provable. If you do so, its' basically like saying you are claiming mason with your old partner, metaphorically speaking.
So, drop it. NOBODY is suspicious of you, right now, but you are misconstrueing things again. If you are going to continue playing as if you are the BM who got nightkilled, then you're going to have to start stating your heartfelt belief that I was bussing my scumbuddy right before night fell. Do you still believe that?

[Battle Mage]

no that wasnt what i was referring to.

you can not explain what you did as town, if you were town.

Is this what you are getting annoyed by, BM? The way -I- read this was not in a way to insinuate that BM #1 was

not

town. That would be stupid, and we all obviously know that is not the case. Ask yourself, why would Skruffs insinuate something that is OBVIOUSLY not true?

I think he meant this more as a generic situational example.

"You[indirect] cannot explain what you[indirect] did as town, if you[indirect] were town."

[Battle Mage]

lol there little point posting if you intend to repeat exactly what i just said...
fyi, i think Jalyn is still fairly suspicious, although no where near as much so as Kison and SV, who i still need to reread btw.

I'm not paranoid, BM, I'm just wondering if you are going to play a bit more sensibly this time around. I think you will, but that means you have to let go of what happened yesterday. Who you are now, in this game, has nothing to do with who you were yesterday. So let it go.

When I came into the game, Lalm was voting scotmany, and got vey defensive when I asked him why. For the time being, I'm going to put scotmany in the 'townie' list with me and jalyn. This is an unofficial list.

[Battle Mage]

for gods sake let me be Twito!

(If this goes on for much longer, I'm going to start calling you Twito & RR)

[Battle Mage]

Vote: Kison

my reread of him and SV revealed that SV was only slightly scummy, whereas Kison is a total scum-fest!
anyone in doubt should seriously go back and read his posts around the time of the Lalm lynch-he seems to KNOW that Lalm will come up scum. Its pretty obvious that he was bussing his buddy. I doubt he will do the same today, so SJ is probably town.

[Battle Mage]

Its obvious isnt it? inactive people are doing no good for the game, other than leaving their votes on wagons so the scum have a shot at hammering whoever they like. Plus, i think its pretty likely that some of those inactives were scum.
@Skruffs-yes, but that was literally WHEN he was lynched. the time when he was ABOUT to get lynched, spans a far greater period. lol
during which, BM the 1st had evidently not thought him to be scum

I cannot think of a single reason why a pro-town player would wish to

selectively

MOD kill half the game on day one. Apparently you can, Battle Mage jr, so please enlighten us.

[Battle Mage]

who said the votes were ON their scumbuddies? i meant that they were on protown players, and the scumbuddies could use them to create a wagon more easily.

that may be true, but inactive scum leaving votes on their scum buddies, that's a good thing. A WONDERFUL thing. Don't try to stop it.

[Battle Mage]

lol way to join a hot wagon without reading the game....

Welcome to the game, jah!
as a welcome gift,

vote:jah8127

for skruff's reasoning agianst Sj, the player you replaced.

[Battle Mage]

lol you see what i mean?
you pick up on the total crap that was discussed, and miss a major point: Kison's behavious yesterday.
Do you think he was bussing his buddy?
(ill give you a clue-it helps if you read his play first )

I have been reading the game... It's mostly been fluff for the past two pages though. Just stop discussing dead Bm and move on.

[Battle Mage]

in that case i suggest u read his posts at the time when Lalm looked dodgy. He made it blatantly obvious that he was bussing his buddy. In fact, its about as clear as if he admitted it!

Quotes BM? I don't remember seeing anything that felt off about kison over Lalm.

[Battle Mage]

NB: Dont get me wrong, im not reccommending mass mod-kills. im just saying that i can understand why someone would suggest it.

@ACfan-just read his posts. in context as well please. then tell me:
Was Kison bussing his buddy?

BM

inactive people are doing no good for the game, other than leaving their votes on wagons so the scum have a shot at hammering whoever they like.

Wrong. The more townies we have,

inactive or not

, the more time we have left to play the game. The more we play, the better of a shot we have at finding scum. This is the result of lynching scum & analyzing their interactions with other players throughout the game, and hence coming up with some conclusions about their groupwork. Moreover, we have the results from various night actions, such as those from the cop, who can also help to narrow things down. Going by Lalm's idea(and the one that

you

now seem to think was a good one), our game play would be cut drastically. In fact, I find it most disturbing that I wound up being right and you continue to justify Lalm's idea that would have completely crippled us.

FoS : Battle Mage The Second

[Battle Mage]

what did u think he did?

John the thread didn't lose you; you lost the thread. Reclaim your enthusiasm!
LFB - new evidence? I hope to God you didn't just do what i think you just did >.<

[Battle Mage]

lol the problem with Kison is that his scumminess isnt found in individual posts-its a big picture that you are only going to find by reading them together. If it helps ill direct you to the periods at which the posts begin and end, however really im not asking alot. Kison hasnt made a miriad of posts that i want you to look at. Just a few that i find make for an odd overall outlook. If you dont have the committment to do that, there isnt alot i can do. Ive given you the option to judge for yourself-im not going to thrust my suspicions on you, but ive explained them and given everyone ample opportunity to prove me wrong. so far the only responses have been he is scummy, or you cant be bothered to go back and read some of his posts, neither of which have swayed my opinion of him being scum. ill get those dates now for those of you who will bother to use them.
BM

[Battle Mage]

Skruffs, you know as well as i do that mafia is rarely that clear cut. SJ was obviously defending scum-i wont dispute that, but that is little indication of whether he WAS scum. BM the first certainly wasnt, and he defended Lalm for about 10 pages.
rather, in this case, it is significantly more logical for the scumbuddies (who had plenty of time to react, while Lalm was on deathrow) to simply bus him. Kison did so very happily, and his posts carry the impression that he is in no doubt that Lalm will come up scum.
I find it hard to believe that protown Kison would have such assuredness (not a word lol).
also, he made it clear in one particular post that if Lalm came up scum, Bm the first was DEFINITELY the play for tomorrow. Now i can see that it would be logical to be wary of the guy who blatantly defended scum, but lets be realistic, the odds of me outright defending someone like that as scum are ridiculously slim. yet Kison, a fairly intelligent and experienced player, was in absolutely no doubt of such a correllation. Frankly, seeing Kison in other games, he is a bit like me, in never committing himself too much as protown. i cant see him making such a weak comment with such conviction unless he was scum.
of course, it doesnt take a genius to see that, what was REALLY happening was, he had realised that his scumbuddies death was unavoidable, and had resolved to make sure a townie died the next day, by planning lynches ahead.
Look for yourselves and tell me otherwise if you want-i dont mind being proved wrong, but so far no-one has even come close.
BM

JAH - I think it only really gets interesting (and relevant) around page 18 or so. Around the time Lalm blew up.

BM - I'm not sure what beef you have against Kison. Kison was pretty steady in his opinions about Lalm; he never wavered or appealed to the town that Rand was the likely false claimer, or that maybe lalm is just misguided, or anything. He fossed, voted, and then helped cut down Lalm's bullpockie retaliations. I really, really don't think that Kison bussed lalm, becaus eI don' thtink that they are scum, together anyways.

I just think that you are acting on a gut feeling and not really looking at who was defending known scum and is still alive. (That would be SJ/jah). If you really do want to push the argument, supply it with meat. You knowing in your own head doesn't mean anything until you provide a case.

[Battle Mage]

ok, im glad at least that you bothered to read and post your opinion.
I would like others to do the same please. Im not saying that even if EVERYONE disagrees with me, it will change my mind, but ill spend less effort pushing a wagon if nobody else supports it.
BM

BM, I actually read through Kison's posts before I posted my opinion of him, but I would mroe than welcome specific posts that irk you.

[Battle Mage]

opportunism...
you dont know what information could be gleaned from having him replaced. the case on him is FAR from watertight, and the only way you will have my approval for lynching him, is if we actually hear a defence from him first.
BM

while he stalls i think he should be lynched. it might get something out of him. seriously, jah, the only thing SJ contributed was defense of scum.

[Battle Mage]

no but you need approval of the majority...
how long have you been playing Mafia?

We don't need your approval to lynch someone.

[Battle Mage]

im not anti-JAH lynch. i simply think you should give him opportunity to defend himself, otherwise opportunistic scum can easily join the wagon. The fact that we are lynching someone else, when we have a relatively certain scumbag is even more unnerving.
BM

BM, you being anti-JAH lynch probably means he IS scum, with your track record.

[Battle Mage]

how would the certain scumbag be Jah, when i just said it WASNT the person we were about to lynch.
of course i meant Kison.
As for Jah, we can give him as much time as he needs. no reason to rush into a lynch. in the meantime, we can hear everyones views on Kison.
BM

the relatively certain scumbag is jah, right? Or is it kison? Who are you talking about?
How much time would you like to give jah?

[Battle Mage]

of course i can use those words, if in my mind, he is relatively certain. I have made a number of points, and you disagree. Fair enough, but HOW ABOUT LETTING OTHERS LOOK FOR THEMSELVES?
Your impatience is highly scummy in a game that isnt dragging any more than normal.
lets face it, if the 16 players cant be arsed to read a select number of short posts by Kison, they are pretty damn unlikely to read a lengthy analysis by me.
oh yes, and for your evident desperation to get a quick wagon, have an

FOS: Skruffs

You can't use words like "relative certain scumbag" when NOBODY ELSE believes you, BM. You *need* to offer a case instead of just repeating over and over again that you think he's scum. I read it, I don't see the scumminess, and if youwant people to take you seriously, YOU have to make a case and present it, instead of saying "WEll just read the posts!" because that's putting the impetus on the other 16 players to target this pone person, look over hte case, and 'try' to find reasons to vote him. That doesn't happen in huge games like this. If you want him lynched, you have to build a case. And in the meanwhile, stop putting quarters on the train tracks. It's hard enough getting ANY kidn of wagon in this game, to be tryign to stop it before it's even up to steam, for

no reason

is frustrating and wasteful and unproductive. Stop it. Please.

[Battle Mage]

dude, stop listening to what other people say. it makes you look just as silly-as i have already pointed out my reasons over my previous posts.
on the other hand, it would be far simpler for you to

TRY

reading his posts around that time. It will take you about 30 seconds to read them all and form an opinion. can you spare the time?

Also BM, while everyone may or may not read Kison's posts, we still want to hear why it is you think he is scum. At least then we can start some sort of dialogue about it. It won't help if all of us all agree or disagree with you if we don't know your reasons behind your claim. Claiming that someone is scum without backing that up is a rather scummy move on it's own.

[Battle Mage]

Kison you opinion loses, as it is completely irrelevant. I know im not gonna persuade you to lynch yourself. You making stuff up doesnt really mean alot to me atm.
also, *lynches Kison for being scum*

It will take you about

30 seconds

to read them all and form an opinion. can you spare the time?

*Smack Battle Mage for inaccuracy*

Hey BMTS, think of it from our point of view. We have you attempting what

looks

like a bandwagon with poor reasoning. You gave us a

part

of your reasoning, but you've refused to go into detail. I'm sorry to say that you will not gain any support until

YOU

setup the case since

YOU

are the one who's pushing for it.

If you keep this pace up, the view we have on you simply casts you out to be scummier as time progresses. So you can sit there and have a hissy fit about how no-one is willing to take your route, or you can comply and save us drama.

Quite frankly, I'm sick of reading about it.

[Battle Mage]

yes, unlike you Kison, i have been reading the comments. so far, the only person to completely disagree with me has Skruffs, whereas 2 others have agreed and place a vote on you.
Admittedly the reaction is slower than intended, but the fact is, the majority of those who bothered to read your posts, have voted for you straight afterwards.
What do you think that says about you?
BM

Kison you opinion loses, as it is completely irrelevant. I know im not gonna persuade you to lynch yourself. You making stuff up doesnt really mean alot to me atm.
also, *lynches Kison for being scum*

I think that the way I feel about the way you're presenting your "case" is pretty consistent with everyone else in the town. Have you been keeping up with what they've been saying? Perhaps you should take a hint; I'm just making it more clear for you.

[Battle Mage]

this post is ridiculous. however seeing as i have some time, ill pick it apart for ya.
1. I believe i FOSed 1 person. Dont exaggerate.
2. Frankly, yes. If the guy i think is scum, tries to put down the case on himself, that is not something that i need to know. Im trying to see the opinions of the town. The accused is not part of that spectrum of views.
3. No. Where do you get that from? the fact that i havent voted for the biggest bandwagon atm?
4. I

have

provided a case against him. Im pretty damn sick of going over and over this for people who havent been paying attention to the game. i simply think that, rather than read a massive post by me, which will take me ages to write, and you ages to read, you could just read a select number of posts by him. as ive said, 30 seconds is all it should take.
OMG-answering this post is harder than i thought. Counter-claiming scum? wtf are you on about now? If you remember rightly, i didnt claim-i died. end of story. Also, try and keep the game in context. I didnt defend him after he claimed scum-OBVIOUSLY. Until then however i thought he was protown. Big whoop. The evidence against him was crap. thats what makes it so obvious that he was bussed to an extent.

OBVIOUSLY, after he claimed, i was sure that those on his wagon were scum bussing him. That much was certain. Until then, id considered people like Kison likely protown, but when he claimed scum, it was obvious that Kison was aswell.
Also, what makes you so sure i was Vigged? it could just as easily be an SK. Frankly im not sure whether a vig would be stupid enough to shoot me, when i was going to be lynched the next day anyway....

im 'going against' Kison because its as clear as day that he is scum. Ive read his posts numerous times, and ive seen him play numerous games, and in this, you can be damn sure that he was bussing his buddy.

FYI-there was a VERY good reason for my defending Lalm-i believe his claim. I knew that, assuming Rand told the truth, their WAS multiple criminologists. In that case, there was every chance that Lalm was telling the truth. Plus the case on him was weak anyway.

may i ask the reasoning behind the wagon on SJ? he made 1 post defending Lalm. Do you really think SJ scum would do that? NO. Of course he wouldnt. Ive played a game with him before (where he actually contributed) and he was a genuinely smart player. I highly doubt that he would give himself away so easily. Sometimes you have to look deeper.

as you well know Skruffs, there were reasons for voting Kison besides those you have chosen to address.
the irony here is delicious. you criticise me for not letting others have their opinions, when you spend a massive, poorly-thought out post, doing exactly the same thing.

if what you really wanted to say was: "im not going to believe a word you say about Kison", then thats fine. When he comes up scum, i hope you appreciate that you will likely be the next days lynch by your logic.

Skruffs-in future, have a wash and eat before you post. It might make it more worth my time to respond to....

[Battle Mage]

would you care to explain which quote you are referring to?

I dont think i had a vote, so just in case,

Unvote

Vote: Battlemage

I missed that quote in my reread. care to explain? that is very incriminating.

[Battle Mage]

im not putting down everyone. im trying to overcome constant adversity in order to help the town win this game. Unfortunately, i get the same problem in every game. More often than not, i am right, but very rarely do the town actually believe me, and so we end up losing stupidly.
seeing as everyone is bugging me about it, i will post an analysis, although it goes against my morals alot when i find myself doing all the work in game...
if you disagree about Kison, fine. im pleased that you have at least given an opinion. not only is it useful in deciding a lynch today, but it will also be useful for analysis later on.
BM

Dude, I read his posts, and I still don't see what you're talking about. It's really hard to listen to you when you put down everyone who tries to have a discussion with you. Also, I know you say you don't think everyone is going to read a long post by you if you post it, but you just posted a really long post about Skruffs. Why can't you be bothered to do the same for Kison?

[Battle Mage]

dont be stupid MoS. Even the best are wrong sometimes.

analysis of Kison should be completed tonight.

BM

Not to mention that he's clearly NOT right more often than not, considering that BM1 thought Lalm was quite obviously protown.

[Battle Mage]

no it isnt, but i never said it was. in fact, i said the opposite.
must you persist in trying to make an argument out of everything?

I don't think "more often than not" is the same as "sometimes".

[Battle Mage]

true-but we can only lynch 1 scum today.

[Battle Mage]

it was pretty unlikely that BOTH of them were lying, thus i knew we had multiple criminologists.

To be honest, I think we've been pushing BM around a lot. He defended scum, and badly at that, yesterdfay, but he had a reason to,he had the same role.

Skruffs: I don't see how BM defending someone who had the same role would make him not scum. At that time, BM had no way of knowing there would be multiple criminologists running around.

I'm currently reviewing the case against SJ, but I'll probably wait for the replacement to say something else before I post it.

[Battle Mage]

Analysis of Kison

Kison starts the game reasonably, though he notably vote hops a fair bit.

This post is to his credit:

I'm really not in favor of starting yet another wagon, but Lalmtreasteek's logic gushes with seeping red blood.

FoS Lalmtreasteek

As it was made before any votes were made upon Lalm.
However its only AFTER Lalm starts getting a couple votes that Kison moves in:

Vote : Lalmtreasteek

Modkills? Are you kidding me?

For what is a pretty weak reason imo.
At this point we get a mini-argument between Lalm and Kison. Lalm seems pretty annoyed at Kison, whereas Lalms reaction to the other voters was less dramatic. Possibly angry about being bussed.
Then Kison confirms his vote, despite little happening since it was made.

A bit later, we have this:

If Lalm comes up scum, BM is the play tomorrow without a doubt.

This strikes me as INTENSELY scummy. Kison as protown would never make such ridiculous assumptions.

In the next post, Lalm finally cottons on, and tries to distance himself from Kison:

Don't listen to Kison either he is way scummier than Battle Mage

Again Kison tries to plan the lynch for the next day:

However, my point against Battle Mage is more that

if

Lalm comes up scum, Battle Mage is almost definitely scum.

Attempts to get testimony from the lynch-victim. Notice how sure he seems to be that Lalm is scum:

Question, Lalm. Let's say, theoretically, that you do die and come up scum. Would you, in our shoes, then think that Battle Mage is scum for his die-hard defense for you? That is my perspective.

Lalm claims scum. Note the strange choice of smiley as he wishes his scumbuddy luck:

Thanks for the game everybody. And goooo mafia, hope my partner can win!

Seems to reflect his anger at being bussed. Of course, this doesnt necessarily mean Kison, but it definitely implies that scum were on his wagon.

Anyone else get the feeling of resentment towards the vig in this post?:

now that Battle Mage

ironically

wound up having that same role.

It should also be noted that Kison made several other posts of this nature, which were deleted in the crash.
He certainly seemed upset that his target for easy lynch today had gone...

So, thats basically the case against Kison. In my reread, i also picked up on some other scummy things. SV looks less scummy to me, while Fircoal looks damn scummy, in light of his persistant "have we lynched yet?" posts, as was Scotmany.

IGMEOY: Skruffs

LoS: Kison
Scotmany
Fircoal
Skruffs

I reckon 2 of these 4 are scum-with Kison as significantly the most likely.
If you want more detailed reasons for the others, ill work on that later. In the meantime, Kison is still definitely the play for today.

BM

[Battle Mage]

i have no idea what you are getting at. As far as i can see, your behaviour during this game has been very scummy throughout. The only reason i dont have my vote on you is because i felt your arguments against Lalm seemed genuine.
As for Scot, i do think he is potential scum, though why you find this so ridiculous im not sure.
BM

I thank you BM for the post on Kison, finally. I am curious why you are so suspicious of me, though? I am happy with you having your eye on me, because
I am a very protown player making moves that I think benefti the town at the expense of myself. I started off in this game with asking Lalms what his vote on scotmany was. do you think I would start off in a replacement game bussing a fellow scum? would be more likely I would be protecting scotmany. Unles you think scot and lalms were both scum buddies.

[Battle Mage]

i wasnt talking to you, i was talking to Skruffs. dont get a bee on your bonnet lol

I never said I found it ridiculous. I'm just saying I think your arguments are falwed and that I don't view him as scum. That's all.

[Battle Mage]

no i wasnt-though i was partially talking ABOUT you.

Apologies, though you were talking to me.

[Battle Mage]

bravo MoS. Its to your credit that you can still find ever more imaginative ways of being detrimental to the game.

Don't worry everyone with a smidgen or more of common sense knew what you meant, scotmany. BM doesn't have that.

[Battle Mage]

i agree with you here. thats the big problem im having with this game. Too many people acting far too scummy. Im finding it difficult to pick out the sly scum from the unaware townies. Kison however, is someone i feel nearly certain to be a member of the former.
BM

*Sigh* I don't think we're going to get much out of jah. It's not like he could explain SJ's comment (or Lalmstreateek's, for that matter) even if it is innocent.

For the moment, I'm going to file it under "inexplicable" and "watch the replacement."

In the meantime, I'm going to

unvote, vote ac1983fan

yet again. (For all the reasons that I've previously stated.

BM, interesting read on Kison. It seems to me that he was pretty much in line with the town with most of the reactions that you've noted though.

[Battle Mage]

i have no idea what you are going on about. He said something, but due to a spelling error, i misunderstood the meaning. It wasnt a problem until you stuck your nose in with a sarcastic quip...

bravo MoS. Its to your credit that you can still find ever more imaginative ways of being detrimental to the game.

Don't worry everyone with a smidgen or more of common sense knew what you meant, scotmany. BM doesn't have that.

And you blatantly misinterpreting his post

wasn't

detrimental?

[Battle Mage]

my stance on Modkills has changed slightly since yesterday-in part due to the reaction i got. i think Skruffs idea of making them inactive is a far superior alternative (although obviously it would be better to have them replaced).
If you advertise a bit, im sure we can get the replacements needed!
BM

I agree with what Skruffs suggested. I would say for the time being make them inactive. If it really becomes a major problem, then we can start considering Modkills.

[Battle Mage]

hmm... a confusing, but nonetheless thought-provoking analysis.
I cant criticise your honesty-i doubt any mafioso in their right-mind would try and suggest that a dead criminologist is scum.
ROFL.
If you have time could you please explain your scale in a bit more detail. An explanation as to why you havent read the game thread in full would also be appreciated
BM

[Battle Mage]

ok, i see what you mean, but could you please validate the reasons behind each number given?
im sorry to be of trouble, but its just for clarities sake. I dont mind saying that i disagree with many of your 'ratings', and thus it would be helpful to know where exactly they came from.
BM

[Battle Mage]

Sticking to my vote btw.

i dont blame you. also-welcome back dude

[Battle Mage]

ok fair points. i agree with what you are saying here, however i still reccommend u read the thread. you appear to only have some indication of what has passed, and i dont think you have fully considered the possibility that some people on the wagon were bussing-Kison, Scotmany, Skruffs (?)
if you could at least read their actions (or alternatively my case on Kison) at around the time of the lynch, that would be great.
meantime, cheers for being quick at getting your thoughts down
BM

[Battle Mage]

lol ill put that down to a big time difference

hmm... a confusing, but nonetheless thought-provoking analysis.

I cant criticise your honesty-i doubt any mafioso in their right-mind would try and suggest that a dead criminologist is scum.

ROFL.
If you have time could you please explain your scale in a bit more detail. An explanation as to why you havent read the game thread in full would also be appreciated
BM

Not to play devil's advocate, but...

IF i was town???
are you serious?

FOS: Skruffs

i really cant believe you are trying to put suspicion on a dead, and confirmed protown player....

[Battle Mage]

bravo. After all your analysis, and without having read the game fully, you place a somewhat uneducated vote upon the largest bandwagon.
bravo.

so am i ten points scummy because off sj or ten points townie j/w sorry im not productive and all but at least im reading the thread and letting yall know im here im not all into it right now sorry. well anyways i guess that all i got to sa right know

Ten SCUMpoints.

I haven't yet read the game but I just spied a great parking spot for my vote, in the meantime.

vote: jah8127

[Battle Mage]

i enjoyed reading Lowells analysis. an interesting experience indeed-and one that i hope to try in games in the future
Could you please explain how i am 'strangely defensive'?
also, it would be awesome if you could give us your read on Kison.
cheers
BM

[Battle Mage]

unlike some people, Twito here has refrained from putting his vote on the largest bandwagon while he rereads. considering the strength of the case on Kison, i see no reason to be suspicious of him putting a 3rd/4th vote on.
BM

I'm so gonna read this one.. on the meanwhile, let's lynch Kison.

Why are you so quick to lynch if you are still considering a theory?

[Battle Mage]

i really dont understand the logic behind such a claim. you have revealed your role, and given insight into the identity of a potential vig.
However, its a bit late now. Did you actually get a name of who it was that targetted BM 1? (yes or no answer please)

GUys, at this point, I dont care if we random lynch, but let's do SOMETHING.
I'm a tracker, I tracked someone to BM1, but I don't think mafia or SK would kill BM1 when he's the obvious lynch the next day, so I'm not going to reveal that person. I think they are a vig.

Discuss.

[Battle Mage]

NO. I'm asking whether you know the name of the person who targetted me, seeing as this is what you said your role does?
BM

BM - what are you asking for, the name?

[Battle Mage]

ffs...

If you read my original request, you will note that i specifically stated DO NOT REVEAL THE NAME.
Also, when making that judgement about me, try and differentiate between me thinking they are scum, and me thinking they are a threat to the town. the latter is true.
However, my purpose was to confirm the logistics of your role. even now you are being evasive. answer the question, or you get my vote.
simple.
BM

BM1, not who you are now. If I did know their name, I wouldn't share it, because I feel you would think that anyone who kills you for any reason is scum.

[Battle Mage]

yes, im just confirming that he actually got an individuals name-rather than just the fact that 'someone' targetted me.
however, i really dont like his evasive behaviour, and generally unhelpful attitude. Its ringing alarm bells, hence id like him to fully confirm his role, so he cant change it later.

FOS: Skruffs

BM

GUys, at this point, I dont care if we random lynch, but let's do SOMETHING.
I'm a tracker,

I tracked someone to BM1

, but I don't think mafia or SK would kill BM1 when he's the obvious lynch the next day, so

I'm not going to reveal that person.

I think they are a vig.

Discuss.

i really dont understand the logic behind such a claim. you have revealed your role, and given insight into the identity of a potential vig.
However, its a bit late now.

Did you actually get a name of who it was that targetted BM 1?

(yes or no answer please)

(emphasis mine)

*facepalm*

[Battle Mage]

He did not answer with any degree of clarity. i didnt want Skruffs-scum to have opportunity to adjust his claim to suit his circumstances later on. it makes sense for the town to have a good idea of what their power roles can actually do.

Kison, that is 1 action. However, if Skruffs lynches a townie today, is he unhelpful? ofc not. Helpfulness should primarily be measured by how he verbally contributes to the town during the day.
BM

I would find it very funny if it turned out BM2 was the vig that killed BM 1. But that's just nonsensical postulation. More to the point, I do trust Skruffs' claim. I think it falls in line with how he's been playing the game so far. Also, BM2, Skruffs is not really being evasive, he answered your question when he claimed.

[Battle Mage]

if i didnt believe his claim, i would have voted for him. my pressure on him was so we could get a proper answer out of him, rather than just half-claims.
@Scot-there are numerous different uses of the Tracker role. i wanted to clarify which one Skruffs had.

Okay, BM is just getting too scummy. I don't think anyone else disbelieves Scruffs' claim, and BM is laying down very heavy accusations.

however, i really dont like his evasive behaviour, and generally unhelpful attitude. Its ringing alarm bells, hence id like him to fully confirm his role, so he cant change it later.

FOS: Skruffs

BM

He's obvoiusly not being evasive. There was miscommunication in the reading of posts, as well as the fact that he assumed everyone knew what a Tracker does. (NOTE: The link to the Wiki is at the top of the page.) I can't help but feel BM is doing his best to promote a false accusation.

Unvote | Vote: Battle Mage

Now, I do keep a strong suspicion on Kison. With the way BM is pusing a lynch for him, I highly doubt those two are mafia together. However, they might both be mafia of different families.. the slip from Lalm's confession makes the idea of multiple Mafias very possible.

That being said, I just want to let people know that I will switch my vote to Kison or jah if we need to for the lynch.

[Battle Mage]

what are you talking about?

Why does Rand's question strike me as scummy?

Oh, right, because he's scum. Don't worry, rand, BM is on your team now.

[Battle Mage]

If it was enough of a claim, it wouldnt have taken several pages to clarify.
I wasnt asking for the good of my health.

In regards to BM - it was enough of a claim to begin with. I know you want me to be scum, and I'm sorry to disappoint, but I'm not.
SV - What is BM saying about me that youa re not buying.. I didn't realize there was anything TO buy. HE was suspicious of what he saw as a half claim, right?

Good poitn about Rand.

[Battle Mage]

yes im very sure, however what consequence is arguing about it now?
the situation is resolved-lets get on with actually catching scum today.

BM - What did you learn frmo the later addition from my claim that you couldn't learn from the beginning of it? You have a bad track history about knowing what roles are, keep that in mind. Are you sure it was me that was not supplying information, adn not you misinterpreting information?

[Battle Mage]

its noy my fault if everything i have to respond to is ridiculous enough to make me roll my eyes lol

yes im very sure, however what consequence is arguing about it now?
the situation is resolved-lets get on with actually catching scum today.

Please please please stop using the . You've used it almost consistently in every post for the last few pages, and it just . . . ugh. Please stop.

[Battle Mage]

yes, that is a fair example. The fact that Lalm WAS scum, does not take away from the fact that it wasnt entirely logical at the time.
BM

[Battle Mage]

:good voting:

[Battle Mage]

Scots actions yesterday made him the second scummiest player in the game.

What's the deal with scotmany, Skruffball?

[Battle Mage]

man i really wish i saw more of the Helpful TCS in my games. I tend to get a regular dose of the speedlynching asshole
Skruffs, ill answer your questions in a sec.

[Battle Mage]

the actions incriminating Scotmany, are mainly his evident haste to get the Lalm lynch over with. Ill get quotes at a later date if needed.
The fact remains that he looked very much like someone who was bussing his buddy, and his general tone throughout the day had my scumdar going off...

BM - I forget what those actions are - can you explain them please?

[Battle Mage]

its posts like these that make me so exasperated. why are people allowed to get away with posts as obviously scummy as these?

I agree with Skruffs that at this point, we should try and get a lynch through now. I know there are a few people that say they will bring the hammer down on jah if need be, and I really think there is a need at this point.

[Battle Mage]

Rand, TCS was talking about me i think. I wouldnt consider yourself confirmed town if i were you... lol

[Battle Mage]

my top 2 suspects atm are Kison, and LFBProd. Lynching anyone else today would be stupid. whilst it is true that these players contribute more than Jah, the fact remains that Jah is alot less likely to be scum.
BM

[Battle Mage]

well primarily that post, however your attitude today hasnt been exactly protownish.
on the other hand, you are no where near the same league of scumminess as Kison

[Battle Mage]

if you dont have information to the contrary, i will assume that you must Kisons scumbuddy

my top 2 suspects atm are Kison, and LFBProd. Lynching anyone else today would be stupid. whilst it is true that these players contribute more than Jah, the fact remains that Jah is alot less likely to be scum.
BM

Wow-eee BattleMage, that post is complete rubbish. Are you scum?

[Battle Mage]

good point. you left the hot Jah wagon, to instead vote for your scumbuddy. it makes alot more sense when you put it that way.

@Alex-im going to have to plead ignorance, as i have never encountered a Jester before, and have no idea what it does. also, it would help if you explained how i have been acting 'crazy'.

BM

if you dont have information to the contrary, i will assume that you must Kisons scumbuddy

Impressive! More complete rubbish.

Not only am I voting for Kison, but I voted for Kison to increase Kison's jeopardy compared to that of jah186178617, to insure we had a second viable lynch candidate!

The only thing that stops me from voting against you right this minute is that you weren't on Lamesteak's list of suggested modkills.

[Battle Mage]

lol dontcha just love it when 4 consecutive posts make the exact same useless comment about semantics?
i sure do... lol

[Battle Mage]

lol this post is so wrong, i cant even begin to explain it to you.

It's hardly a useless comment. The fact that four different people (We can't all be scum...) agreed on this should make you realize that you're actually wrong. Your refusal to admit that you're wrong in anything, ever, is one of your biggest flaws, BM. All you do by your useless stubbornness is make it easier for scum to slip through the cracks while people have to spend time and energy dealing with you.

@Alex-man, i would kick ass as a Jester. unfortunately i have never had that role before, nor do i have it in this game. is its win condition simply to get lynched??
thats seems a little too easy anyway lol.
furthermore, i like the way you have kept your options open on the 3 biggest wagons atm, so you can hammer anyone of them

[Battle Mage]

lol im not trying to portray any mood. i simply consider it a point of note.

@BM - yeah, lol. The flash program that explains all the roles says that oftentimes mods will decide to continue the game after the Jester wins.

furthermore, i like the way you have kept your options open on the 3 biggest wagons atm, so you can hammer anyone of them

I can't tell what sort of mood you're trying to portray there and if it's trying to sound accusatory, but you pretty much hit the nail on head. I find my three FoS's very scummy, and would be happy to see any of them lynched.

[Battle Mage]

i have nothing to comment here. many players seem to be more concerned with quick-lynching a noob than killing a mafioso.
there is little i can do to change that, but let it be known that i wont be joining the Jah wagon, unless he does something that makes him more incriminating than the many other suspects we have...

[Battle Mage]

dont be silly, Mafia is a game for all ages. its awesome that kids and adults can enjoy it equally, and there is no prejudice between the two.
BM

Grounded indefinitely.
Don't know when I'll be back around, so replace me if needed.

It's posts like this that make me think I'm way to old for this site.

[Battle Mage]

gg reading retention.

Jah has been prodded. Since the day has been going for a while and conversation is dry, I will set a long deadline for June the 6th. Time of day will be specified nearer the time.

[Battle Mage]

lol <3 MoS.

Didn't even see that post

[Battle Mage]

hey Braze. first thing i suggest you do, is read the play around the lynch of yesterday. then you can consider putting your vote on Kison. that is all.

[Battle Mage]

FoS: LFBProd

The reasons have already been addressed. if there is a wagon on you at deadline, dont be surprised if i join it.
BM

[Battle Mage]

what are you going to clarify?

[Battle Mage]

i think its a bit late to withdraw it now.

Role claim? You have a total of what, two votes and an FoS from the infamous Battle Mage?

[Battle Mage]

DGB - two votes on LFB Prod when it takes 10 to lynch are 'oppurtunistic'? I believe you are vote number 6 on JAH8127, right now. And I believe my vote on LFB was for trying to enforce the oppurtunistic nature of the current JAH wagon.

QFAT. I actually laughed when i read how panicky DGB and SV had got at the

2 VOTES

acquired by LFBProd.

in light of this blatant scumfest, ill also

unvote, vote: LFB

[Battle Mage]

I don't like the way the wagon is building up on LFBProd

this strikes me as a panicked reaction. not as much as DGB though.

@LFB-My vote is partially because of your post 1346, and partly due to your general dubious behaviour throughout the game. You arent as scummy as Kison, but seeing as that wagon disappeared, you are significantly preferable to a Jah lynch imho.

[Battle Mage]

Good point, and something i did think about afterwards, but i figure its quite concievable that Kison-scum could put a pressure vote on his buddy.
Besides, the reaction to the votes reveals a fair bit into the roles of other players.
BM

wow, BM - are you sure you want to vote for the same person Kison is voting for? >.> <.<

LFBProd, I don't think you are being forced to claim in any way shape or form. I would think that scum would have learned the lesson about modkilling lurking players yesterday - the alternative being to have lurking players replaced. Being anti-replacement today is almost along the same lines

[Battle Mage]

lol its stuff like this which made me suspicious of Kison yesterday. by setting up a lynch for tomorrow, based on Player X being scum, you look very much like someone who is bussing. overall that warrants an

FOS: DGB

.
IF Jah comes up scum, it evidently has no bearing on my affiliation (as this game should already have taught you. fyi-i dont believe i have defended Jah, but its hard to join a wagon so clearly driven by scum, when there are far better candidates on offer.
BM

The accusations levelled against LBFProd are ridiculous. What is surprising is his over-reaction, and the happy opportunism shown by the people voting for him.

That's what you call panic? You guys don't know me very well, do you?

I do have to wonder why BM has a problem with the jah wagon, since he went from Kison to LBF, bypassing the wagon altogether. Scumbuddies? I dunno.

That is a fair point. It's odd for BM to ignore that kind of obviously bad-scum behavior of a player. He's usually jumping on that right away, even when it's in jest. So we probably should be looking at BM tomorrow should jah come up scum.

[Battle Mage]

and you of course are making an even bigger assumption-that the wagon isnt scum driven, and that i am wrong about Kison, DGB and everyone else i have commented on. However, if you are willing to lynch on something so weak, i seriously doubt you being protown.
BM

[Battle Mage]

huh? no im not. my reasons for suspecting LFB are completely separate from my suspicions of Kison.
im genuinely flummoxed at this vote.

Vote: Battle Mage

That is a terrible assumption. You are not only assuming that someone is definitely scum (Kison), but you are then assuming that other people are scum by association (LFBProd), before actually finding out whether Kison is scum or not. Voting Kison on the assumption that he might be scum is ok (although the level to which you are sure he is scum, is a bit over-the-top), but that's ridiculous that you're pushing someone else because Kison is voting them, claiming that he's probably bussing his partner. You don't even know for sure that Kison is scum, and yet you're acting on this. What reason would Kison have to bus 2 scumbuddies in a row, the first two days of the game? How is that beneficial to him, when he clearly already suspect for the first dead scum. It's not like bussing a second scumbuddy is going to give him good credit to ride until endgame. I'd really like you to explain how any of this makes sense, BM, because it just looks to me like you're trying to justify a bad play in order to push someone who doesn't know the right things to say to stay out of trouble.

[Battle Mage]

you got it the wrong way around. in fact, my playstyle almost always results in me getting lynched prematurely, but in doing so i am able to contribute alot to the town. im a selfless player, because i have to be. lol

BM is an active player who is not afraid to share his opinions, regardless of who agrees with them or doesn't - he's acting identically today as he was earlier as town, and most of hsi opinions on people he's talked about are the same. In conclusion, he's a much better player than you think he is, or, he's still town, in my opinion.

He's a good player for himself... but his playstyle is terrible for the town.

[Battle Mage]

I'm wondering if MoS goofed up there...

try reading the post in which he admitted that he had done so. :p

[Battle Mage]

FOS: TCS

thats rubbish, and i think you know it. we have plenty of time to lynch someone else. im not sure whether a Jah lynch is preferable to No Lynch anyway. i hope i wouldnt have to make such a choice.

unvote, vote:jah

At this point in the day, any other vote is probably a vote for no-lynch.

[Battle Mage]

lol:
1. directing the vig is stupid.
2. if Jah comes up scum, its very likely that some of his buddies are on the wagon. it hasnt moved quickly, but it has been apparent for a long time that Jah is the likely play. as such, i expect the vast majority of his scumbuddies to be on the wagon atm, if he should be scum.
this also contradicts TCS's point nicely.

Whoever isn't voting for jah at this point should be on the vig list, no?

[Battle Mage]

id say 2 scumgroups are a possibility at this stage. might explain the criminologists, and the multiple deaths, not to mention if Jah were to come up scum. If there are 2 scumgroups, Jah coming up scum would suggest that several people on his wagon are members of the other scumgroup. but yes, i still find bussing a possibility at this stage, though those who were early on the wagon are less suspicious on that score.
BM

[Battle Mage]

id say we have 2/3 scum on him atm. most probably the later voters. as we near deadline, the people hopping on may also be scum.
BM

I"m thinking he won't, though. Still, a lynch is better than no, and, he really doesno't seem to care enough to say anything to anyone otherwise.
TCS - if he comes out town, how many people on the list do you think will be scum?

I think there's one scum max voting jah at the moment. His posts have been too erratic; it's almost a no-brainer for a good townie to be voting for him.

[Battle Mage]

obviously, otherwise i would be voting for him.
i do think some of his actions could be construed as scummy, but in light of the scumminess going on around me, i think there are far better choices for lynch.
BM

[Battle Mage]

i dont know. i find many of them scummy, but they cant all be scum. if i could choose 4 potential scumbags on the wagon it would be: LFBProd, Scotmany, DGB and you, though im keeping the net wide for the moment.

[Battle Mage]

Kison isnt on the wagon. :p

[Battle Mage]

circular argument, until tomorrow. only of consequence if Jah comes up town.

2. if Jah comes up scum, its very likely that some of his buddies are on the wagon. it hasnt moved quickly, but it has been apparent for a long time that Jah is the likely play. as such,

i expect the vast majority of his scumbuddies to be on the wagon atm

, if he should be scum.
this also contradicts TCS's point nicely.

Does that make sense? It's making me think that YOU are scum, and not voting for your scumbuddy, haha. We'll find out for sure after the lynch!

[Battle Mage]

lol EBWOP: Town should say scum, there.

[Battle Mage]

you're pretty much on the money here. In my opinion, if Jah was scum, more of buddies would be on the wagon than normal, because of the speed of the wagon. his lynch has been likely for quite a while now. Kison tried to derail it, so it could indicate him as scum, but generally i find the players ON the wagon scummier, IF Jah comes up scum.
DGB, you have to realise that not all wagons are the same. You get slow wagons and fast wagons. scum wagons and town wagons. However, you are right that both those wagons are similar in their speed, and thus i agree that there is potential bussing on both.
Obviously i am not indicating that everyone on the wagon is scum.
Now who's the one: 'Stretching Credulity?'

Kison isnt on the wagon. :p

And that's because he's not busing his buddy, according to your theory, if I understand it correctly? What you are saying is that scumbags are more likely to vote a fellow scumbag, than a townie, right? We should look for scum on scumwagons, and off the townie wagons?

It really stretches credulity.

It is an interesting theory in light of the fact that this town accomplished a rare Day 1 scum lynch. You are implying, indirectly, that of these players, that were on the Lamesteak lynch, Kison, Fircoal, Mastermind of Sin, Dragon Phoenix, Spectrumvoid, Jalyn, Scotmany12, Skruffs, ac1983fan, Lalmtreasteek, BM, contain a high probability of scum?

That's interesting. Because YOU were on that lynch, as is your "innocent" Kison. And that earlier today, you were campaigning for his lynch, right?

[Battle Mage]

i disagree with getting Twito replaced. its obviously bad that hes not here, but i agree with the sentiments of Patrick. Also, Twito is one of the few people im not suspicious of atm. hes also one of the few people not throwing away their vote.
id like to see him playing still in 2 weeks time.
BM

[Battle Mage]

Unvote

my current vote is useless, and its clear that Jah is going to be lynched. i would hammer if only to save us time, but i dont want to associate myself with such a scum-ridden wagon

[Battle Mage]

roflmao!
You only just noticed that im disassociating myself from the Jah wagon!?
what planet have you been staying on?
Ive been trying to derail it for most of the day, and yet after 30 pages of discussion, when a lynch is literally inevitable, you finally realise!
Im surprised at such poor play from you DGB.

Unvote

my current vote is useless, and its clear that Jah is going to be lynched. i would hammer if only to save us time, but i dont want to associate myself with such a scum-ridden wagon

Haha. You sound like a scumbag who wishes to dissassociate himself from the lynch, knowing we're lynching a townie. Maybe none of your buddies are on the wagon, and you're saying the wagon is laden with scum, because you don't want us to realize that your buddies aren't voting against him. You and your buddies want to have clean hands with this lynch so that it doesn't come back to bite you in the behind tomorrow.

Sorry folks, I know I've been pushing to lynch jah, and we're so close, but I can't imagine Battle Mage not being scum after a post like that one. I read it like a confession.

unvote, vote: Battle Mage

DIE SCUM DIE

[Battle Mage]

Im surprised at such poor play from you DGB.

Do I ever make any other kind of play???

You're still scum. Die.

yes, usually you play very well. i would consider you one of best protown players. unfortunately this is the exception to the rule.

[Battle Mage]

rofl. if you think Twito's that stupid, you got another thing coming.

If you don't mind my narrowing it down for you, pick either jah1646 or BattleMage for your vote. But hurry. Vote before you're gone for another two weeks.

[Battle Mage]

Result was: On night 1, Battle Mage was killed by a vigilante.

dumbass vig. please claim so i can participate in your immediate lynching.
also DGB, dont be stupid please. if you are town, you have just given scum an opportunity to pose as the vig tomorrow night.
grats.
of course, you seem to be forgetting that Alex could have been the vig kill, and the scum kill was blocked. its probable that the vig isnt very bright, so i wouldnt be surprised if he tries to kill every night, regardless of whether anyone really warrants it.

as for Rands claim, im not entirely sure. couldnt you have done something more useful and investigated who killed the RB?
i wouldnt say you are confirmed at this point, but you are far from a good play for today.

[Battle Mage]

BM: I think Rand investigated BM1 because we all basically asked him to on Day 2.

thats exactly my point. we had a lot of speculation yesterday about BM1's death, and most of us agreed that it was probably a vig kill. If Rand was Scum, he's done exactly the right play-fitted his investigations in with already accepted ideas.

@MoS-Acfan is correct. it was a bit of humour. i wouldnt expect you to understand.

[Battle Mage]

Skruffs, chill. lol
i wasnt saying i was sad. Im saying that his result doesnt go far to validating his claim imho.
also, the fact that there is a Vig, does not mean that there isnt an SK too.
furthermore, you would be wrong to say that a Vig is always good for the town. as far as i can gather, we've lost more protown players to the Vig so far than as a result of the scum. Its a fact that, whilst a Vig has protown intentions, its actions may still be detrimental.

still, to clarify, IM NOT REALLY TRYING TO KILL THE VIG. its a joke ffs...
lighten up.

besides, ive already found you 1 scumbag. TCS could potentially be another.
what more do you want?
BM

slight FoS : TCS

Your already shaky scumdar?
You're wearing the wrong suit, by the way.

Ok, I decided to bring the helpful TCS this game instead of the speedlynching asshole.

I'm at work, rereading as time allows, and will post analysis of this thread when I'm done.

Your last few posts of the day yesterday were not helpful but were rather 'don't try to vote someone else, stay on jah, hammah hamma hamma', etc. And your statements today seem low key.

I tracked someone, but not to Alex. No help there.


BM :

lol yes im back and i intend to take revenge on the dumbass scumbag who killed me.

BM, you're dea- *reads above* Oh.
Welcome back.
Fresh slate, promise.
Day 2 was lost but we made a new one which is almost as good.

WHy are you now sad that Rand proved that there's a vig? We know there's a mafia, and now a vig rather than an sk. A vig is good for town, regardless of what you said yestserday.
FOCUS ON HUNTING THE EFFING MAFIA.

[Battle Mage]

right, im going to have to plead ignorance here, because you've totally lost me.

why does the fact that we have killed a mafia member, mean that there cannot be a Vig and an SK aswell?

lol MoS-congrats on being able to insert a weak insult into every post you make. You'd make a great politician im sure.

*grumble*
If you remember correctly I said I knew someone who targetted BM1 yesterday. if that person had turned up scum, , we'd have an easy day lynch. Rand made the best decision.

BM, originally I thought you were probably still town by the way you had the same opinions of people day two as you did day one. But your obbjectives seem so wonky.
Why would you assume there was now a vig and an sk when we have LYNCHED A MAFIA MEMBER already? You're not thinking more than two words back from what you are typing, as you type it.



Who is the first scumbag you caught us?

[Battle Mage]

THIS post, is the most ridiculous ive seen in a long time. allow me to pick some serious flaws in it.

1. The Vig had plenty to go on yesterday. A smart Vig would have looked at the people pushing the Jah wagon, and NKed them.

2. How can the

VIG

be a smart player on the basis that he killed a protown power role? This seems so scummy its untrue. I can understand you thinking that killing me is generally a good policy, but i thought you would have the brains to realise that killing me when i have a protown power role, is slightly less beneficial.

3. How can you say the Vig did not kill last night, when Al3xz is dead. Im pretty sure that he was a Vig Kill.

in fact on this deliberately misleading post alone, im going to change my priorities around a bit.

Vote: Scotmany

I honestly think LFB thought correctly. Except the one shot thing, I don't believe that. I don't think the vig had much to go on yesterday. There was a lot of discussion, but I didn't see one person that jumped out to be scum. I'm going to say the vig is a smart player for killing BM, so I'm going to say the vig did not kill last night.

I do acknowledge that it is fully possible that the vig could have been blocked. I also acknowledge that the scum could have been blocked. I ma going to say its unlikely, just by the odds, by I'm not ruling either out.

Just putting this out there. If the scum was blocked, then we might be able to get a easy lynch. I'm not telling the roleblocker to claim. I think later on though, maybe in a day or two, the vig should reveal himself. If he confesses to killing AP, then if we have a rb, then he knows at least one scum.

[Battle Mage]

BM, I'm not a politician. I'm a mafia player. Same thing, though.

hardly. i think you would be extremely successful as the former.

[Battle Mage]

I'm already successful as the latter >_> /selfplug

rofl! you could do stand-up comedy aswell.

*that is if your head could fit into the auditorium.

[Battle Mage]

nope. It'd have to be an outdoor theater. I'd be able to provide shade, too.

do you deflate if someone insults you?

[Battle Mage]

wow. i look forward to see you floating away

[Battle Mage]

I have this old Mac I stole. I use it as an anchor so I don't fly away. Look, it's even those this handle so you can tie the rope to it!

if you really had a Mac, you would have used it to grammar check your post before making it.

[Battle Mage]

Skruffs-are you ok? your attitude seems to have changed dramatically from reasonable town, to insane neutral.
Look at it like this. IF the Vig hadnt killed BM1, hed have probably been lynched the next day right?
BUT, had i been allowed to CLAIM and defend myself, it might have made a difference. Im not even going to go down the route of breadcrumbing, but im sure you understand what im getting at.

As for Al3xz being a vig-kill, there is a pretty good reason to believe that.
WHY WOULD THE SCUM KILL AL3XZ? i mean, he was a suspect yesterday, and might have been lynched today. we obviously have a vig who is Kill-happy, so it wouldnt surprise me if he kills every night. So-Al3xz was a relatively popular suspect yesterday, and he is dead. It doesnt take a genius to work out that it was probably a Vig Kill.
I cant really make it any clearer than that atm.

admittedly, i played bad on Day 1. get over it. everyone has bad days in Mafia. everyone makes mistakes. However, you forget that i did EXACTLY THE SAME THING ON DAY 2, with Jah, and guess what? this time i was RIGHT.

Skruffs, you have to understand, im not saying the Vig was stupid or anything like that. it concerns me that you are going so OTT trying to defend him, in order to look town, when it is completely unnecessary.

i also obviously dislike you trying to portray me as a useless idiot :p
im not going to explain that any further. i get tired of going over the same things in every game. I dont give two £$%*s whether you like me or not. But, try and put your personal feelings aside, and play the damn game.

as for Al3xz, ive already said that i think he was a vig kill. im naturally suspicious of people saying otherwise, as they are either not seeing what im seeing, or trying to mislead the town.
Hence im wary of Scotmany, and yourself, for going so overboard at the thought that somebody might be paying attention.

oh and btw, im finding it incredibly patronising that people insist on criticising my play, for little reason. Im not the best person at getting people to see my side of things-in fact, im absolutely shite at it.

however, your reasons for lynching me are absurd. so far we have:

"it might help him to play better"
"he was scummy yesterday" - when i was one of the few people to resist the easy lynch on a townie.
"deliberately misleading" - not only would NOBODY be able to say this other than scum, its also probably BS then.

but whatever. im not going to wait around for the entire scum-hoarde to hop on. Either get off my wagon now, or im claiming.

BM

BM - you are sayign that people thik the vig was smart to kill you night one, because you were you... you don't to see to have any comprehension of hwo you acted day one in regards to lalms. Now you are saying that you are sure that al3x is a vig kill. Why are you sure? Are you mafia, and you tried to kill someone else, and got blocked? Did you target al3x and that's how you know it was a vig kill? Or is it because you think the vig is a 'dumb player' - after all they targetted someone who claimed to have never heard of teh criminologist role, then said that lalms was cleared - after counter claiming someone else - and said the first person must have been making up, and then said that everyone on the wagon on mafia was more likely scum than the people not.
In short you did

everythign you could

to defend him in Classic BM style postings, adn then at the end of the day tried to distance yourself. To you, you were just playign a game, but to everyone else it looked like scum, and teh vig was completely vigging *anyone* for doing that . It was *not* an attack on you, it was viggign someone who seemed overtly scummy during hte previous day.
In short, to everyone who is not BM, you begged to be vigged for being the most scummy player day one. You would have been lynched day two, no problem. The vig took you out, so that even if you weren't scum, tehre would be a more likely chance of being scum hit the next day, because do you know how easy it would have been for scum to get a lynch setup against you? You had already set it up, all they would have to do, is push it.
But not in your eyes. In your eyes, the vig was 'stupid' for hitting you because you seem to think it wasn't based on yoru play at all, but rather because it was *you*. Well, guess what, people don't care who you are, BM, they don't care about your reputation or that you have no way of filtering your quote tangles and that in your eyes everything you do is golden and anyone and everyone who thinks otherwise is scum. THey care about the game, and people who are trying to get townies lynched and saving scum, and show no sign of learning from their mistakes, those people are going to get vigged or lynched, because mafia would never kill someone like that. That's how you play. You kill the scum, and sometiomes people act so scummy that they convince vigs that tehy are scum. If you are madf you got NKed, be mad at yourself for PLAYING WITHOUT USING ANY COMON SENSE.

You do not run the game and everyone in it, and wether you realize it or not, some people are actually trying to win the game with logic, common sense, and discussion. So if you are going to spout off random nonsnese and then FOS and vote people who don't take you point-blank as the mafia god you want to be, then prepared to ridiculed, voted, etc for it. SImple. If you don't want that, then tighten up your pants, drop the ego-trip, and try to play to wi n. Your case on Kison, yesterday, when you finally explained it, wasn't really a bad one - and soon afterwards a wagon began to show up against JAH. That was around the time DGB showed up, too. BUt I don't remember DGB as pushign the jah wagon - though she, like TCS, shared the apathetic "This is all we are going to get today" mindset.

So, rant over, please tell me why you are pertty sure that alex was a vig kill? Did something about his play seem scummy to you? You never mentioned him yesterday.

[Battle Mage]

that was about a completely different thing. i believe you said that it HAD to be a scum kill, whereas i said it COULD have been a scumkill.
big difference.

hmm, MoS wants me to claim. duely noted.

however, your reasons for lynching me are absurd. so far we have:

"it might help him to play better"
"he was scummy yesterday" - when i was one of the few people to resist the easy lynch on a townie.

"deliberately misleading" - not only would NOBODY be able to say this other than scum, its also probably BS then.

Am I mistaken, or did you use that same argument on me. I'm pretty sure you did.

in fact on this deliberately misleading post alone, im going to change my priorities around a bit.

Vote: Scotmany

So are you saying that you are scum then? Before you make a defense against an argument against you, maybe you should make sure you didn't use that same argument against someone else.

[Battle Mage]

thank f***ing god. at least someone is on my wavelength
i also agree about Rand. i wouldnt go as far to say he is confirmed, but hes not the play for today. I think he deserves at least 1 more shot to provide us with something useful.
BM

I think Rand Althor is confirmed. There was no reason for scum to target Alex last night, unless on the off-chance they thought they had found a doc. He wasn't contributing anything at all. When I'm scum, I want a few lurkers around. I'm with Battle Mage, I'm fairly certain it was a vig-kill, and the scum kill was protected.

[Battle Mage]

wtf? so you're now saying that BM1 wasnt really a Criminologist atall?
thats completely ridiculous.

FOS: DGB

I don't understand how we have two criminologists though - Rand claimed before Lalm claimed - heck knows why Lalm claimed criminologist lol and then BM turns up a dead criminologist it makes no sense to me. None at all.

I am beginning to suspect someone, likely scum, has the ability to mess with the obituaries.

[Battle Mage]

Rich-i reccommend you pay special attention to the behaviour of people like Kison and Scotmany at the time of Lalms wagon yesterday. id be intrigued to hear your views on whether they were genuine clever townies, or wily bussing scumbags.