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Hi everyone!
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Honestly, not too bad. Bit of a recent flare-up, but I’ve gotten back into sewing to prep for starting to make cosplay and historical kit by hand, which is super exciting!
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From what I remember, Zhu just speaks like that—don’t think the awkwardness is alignment-indicative, personally.
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Actually, VOTE: Wartortle.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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I think that’s fair—I mean, my reasoning for voting Wartortle also just boils down to receiving a suspicious vibe. Hopefully at least one of us is onto something here.In post 30, usesPython wrote:
idk, it's the vibe I getIn post 29, DragonEater70 wrote: Talk to me about thatHi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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I’m unsure if this is just a me thing, but I still worry about appearance when I’m town—don’t want to mislead anyone to an incorrect elimination, after all. I would also agree that it’s nothing to really base a read off of just yet.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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I imagine once everyone has said something it’ll be a lot easier for us to start drawing lines in the sand and reading into stuff—might just have to wait for the morning for that, though.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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Afrayed, how are you feeling about TheHoldSteady right now? I feel like y’all have similar playstyles, so you might have a better insight into this push than I do.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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I get the suspicion, but I really am just asking someone for their read on someone else. Your call on whether it’s bad play or scummy, though.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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I, personally, am finding myself scumreading Wartortle—I admit it’s just base intuition for that read, though.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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In post 88, SmileyDude1 wrote:
Yo.In post 79, DragonEater70 wrote: Anyone here?
Was wondering where you got this perspective from. The only game you two played together (to my knowledge) was 2311, where Heip was scum. How do you know it's not a scum-indicative trait for him?In post 21, AnimatedWiz wrote:From what I remember, Zhu just speaks like that—don’t think the awkwardness is alignment-indicative, personally.
Realized I never responded to this—I suppose I don’t know that for Zhu itdefinitelyisn’t a scumtell, but as I talked about with DE, I don’t think that general awkwardness or caring about appearance is an amazing way to sort people if such stuff is presented early and consistently.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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Every post I read of his strikes me as… alteriorly-motivated? It’s a very weird feeling to try to describe, but that’s the best word to use, I suppose.In post 121, DragonEater70 wrote:
Please elaborate on thisIn post 108, AnimatedWiz wrote: I, personally, am finding myself scumreading Wartortle—I admit it’s just base intuition for that read, though.
I’m personally wondering if the early timing of this read has led me astray (since I don’t have much else to go off of), so that might change—or even maybe I’m subconsciously opposed to Wartortle mostly due to him thinkingI’mscummy?
I just feel like Wartortle is trying to do a lot of persuading very early off of very little, which could be a playstyle thing… but as of now, best scumread I have.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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Complaining about RVS and a lack of content at the end of page 1 just felt… unnatural? His subsequent posts have been read through that lens, which has likely colored my view of him in a way that’s different from what y’all have been seeing.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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His posts on THS are, to me, a very strong argument for so early on—likely to pressure THS like everyone else was with their votes, though. While I can see a townie logic behind the strategy, I don’t want to ignore what my gut’s saying just yet. I’m sure that I’ll have that better sorted as we see more from him.
I don’t feel like I have any other substantial reads just yet—most everyone who’s posted is either a bit suspicious in my opinion, or null from not having posted much (we still have two players who haven’t said anything, after all). I tend to start out being suspicious of everyone, so it always takes a bit for me to townread someone early on.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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I will say, I am appreciating you, Python, and Smiley providing a lot of thoughts on these posts—I think that being able to see them as D1 goes on will allow me to sort y’all far easier due to the volume of material (and being able to see the trajectory of it through time).Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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To me, the argument feels like it‘s somewhat forced, which could either be due to Wartortle being scum and trying to lead us elsewhere early on, or due to trying to generate pressure on THS and see what shakes loose as a result.
THS getting a bunch of votes (5 in the first 100 posts) is applied pressure—most players in that situation defend themselves by making a case or answering questions, and that pressure is either heightened or relieved on how satisfactory that defense is.
Usually I’m a bit slower to develop solid reads than other players, yes—I would like to say I’m through about them, but a better word is perhaps “exacting.”
I wasn’t trying to say that other players not having posted prevents me from reading others entirely—however, I will say that my reads often come easier with more people to compare to each other. Juxtaposition is often a great tool for me.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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And I think I might have not communicated what I meant properly—I was not implying that the three of y’all I mentioned were specifically null or suspicious for having a lot of thoughts, just that y’all communicating them frequently was nice because it’ll help me get a better read on y’all as time goes on.
Out of the three of y’all, Python strikes me as towniest (though not enough to be a confident townread). I am unsure of how I feel about their actions so far, but they seem to be very concise and clear about their thoughts and that has made me more willing to trust them—it allows for less misinterpretation for me, and less wiggle room to escape from for them.
Smiley is in the middle for me, mostly due to having the least substantive posts out of this trio—not a bad thing, but I just have the least to go off of here. Still, I like that are asking questions and trying to connect people’s posts through time.
You are last in that list, as while you’re very meticulous with your questions to me (which to me rings as someone who wants to learn from the rest of the town to better cooperate later on), the repeated joke about openwolfing (and your subsequent behavior of trying to take charge and posting a lot) makes me pause, as it could very easily be a cover for actually openwolfing. After all, if you say you’ll pocket someone in a joking manner, you have a defense prepped in case anyone accuses you of it later.
You’ve also been very, uh, flip-floppy so far? It’s not bad to change your reads early, but the way you’ve kind of announced your intent to lead and be convincing is a mismatch with your actual reads and votes. You have more questions that reads, and those questions tend to have a lot more text than your own feelings on things (not all the time the though—posts like 118 are substantial). Additionally, you seem to be making a lot of strong arguments with lacking evidence in the vein of what I was talking about with Wartortle (like 118, again), and also sort of collaborating with him? I wouldn’t call it a partnership or anything, but I do want to note that you have supported his theories.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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I, uh, didn’t know those would be wallposts, sorry!Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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I am… still unsure about you, DragonEater, but you’ve risen in my reads some with your answers.
I genuinely feel like we are misunderstanding each other some. For example, I thought you saying you wete openwolfing meant you were planning to take charge and lead the town (and that you have to be scum to openwolf), which is apparently not what you meant by that? I might honestly not know the correct definition for the term, though.
However, you do bring up a fair point that it’s not the fairest of me to scumread you for having somewhat, uh, inconsistent reads, because it’s not like I have the strongest ones either.
Also, for reference, both THS and OWER are null reads for me—I have found little evidence to condemn either, but I’m not opposed to y’all pressuring them to get us more info. I didn’t really say anything about that argument because I didn’t have many original thoughts to add, aside from that the push on THS isn’t backed by convincing arguments.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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Thanks for clarifying!In post 158, DragonEater70 wrote: @Ani - when I say "openwolf" I mean "play in an intentionally scummy way, without making any effort to appear towny". Usually that term is indeed applied to mafia, but it can be applied to town as well.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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Hm… I would like to say that I trust Naerys right now. I don’t necessarily agree with reading Blackstar’s posts as trying to buddy up, but I don’t feel like she’s trying to mislead us when saying how she views the interaction.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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So THS is at E-3, currently.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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Why do you say that—is it just this unvote, or including the self-vote?
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What do you think of DE, Enchant? I mean, aside from the return vote?Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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Oh my god, you’re totally right that Enchant plays similarly to Not_Mafia—I didn’t make that connection before.In post 204, DragonEater70 wrote: Can you elaborate on this? AFAIK Enchant seems to have a jokey NotMafia-esque vibe to them so gut instinct is that's an NAI entrance for them.
From what I understand (I’ve only played with Enchant at the end of a single game, so a few grains of salt here), that entrance being called NAI seems accurate. They’re very, uh, difficult to read, but nothing seems afoot to me—this tracks with how they were then, in my opinion.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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I mean, there’s nothing particularly wrong with wanting to exit RVS as soon as possible, but the way he was speaking in those early posts did not strike me as town-indicative at all. I would think it townier to perhaps complain about RVS and
thensomething about ending RVS like he does in 18, instead of that order being flipped.
Additionally, the crumbing of being a vanilla townie in 20 was really weird, especially since it felt like he was also implying he wanted us to get to N1 ASAP, which I don’t feel like a slot with no night ability would be so keen on.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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To clarify, you are saying that determining if Enchant has reasoning behind an early vote is useful to determining whether they’re scummy, but when I ask Enchant if they have reasoning, I’m asking a useless question. I don’t think I follow this logic—I feel like your defense here is just shifting attention onto me and Enchant instead of a substantial refutation.In post 220, DragonEater70 wrote:
VOTE: WizIn post 208, AnimatedWiz wrote: What do you think of DE, Enchant? I mean, aside from the return vote?
This is such a useless question to ask and it's making me feel Wiz is just trying to appear like he's solving and engaging, but doesn't have any real intent behind it.
You are right, but I feel town!Enchant does make an effort to solve while scum Enchant doesn't. It's probably too early to judge, but honestly I expected town!Enchant to come in and vote someone and talk about how that person is obvscum, even if it was in a trollish way and with troll reasoning.In post 213, SmileyDude1 wrote: AFAIK Enchant seems to have a jokey NotMafia-esque vibe to them so gut instinct is that's an NAI entrance for them.
However that read is a weaker scumread than that that I just got on Wiz from asking that question.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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Hm… if everyone else is not seeing Wartortle’s opener as being scummy, I suppose I’ll have to put my push to the side for now.
VOTE: Hu Tao, since a bit of pressure on a slot with two total posts (literally less than 1% of all posts so far) is likely a good move to generate content.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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I mean, I think a townie who feels on the outs would also probably other themselves from the town—after all, they don’t feel like part of the team, even if they’re still in the uninformed majority. I just don’t think it’s conclusive either way.In post 234, Naerys wrote:feels like demeaning towns capabilities, also the phrase "in this town" feels like THS belongs to the informed minority
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In post 241, OutWorldER wrote:
That said I'm also a little bit weird on Naerys at this point as I find it strange that she brings up post 20 as her reason for SRing Wartortle but only started pushing that read recently. I don't feel like that lines up with Naerys own opening in 39 and 41.
Hm, I would like to share a theory of mine: I think Naerys’s read changing on Wartortle is likely due to 216, since it’s the only post before hers to directly mention 20 at all. We know her read on him changed because in 68 she agreed with him enough to change her vote accordingly.
If this is the case, it likely means one of these two possibilities is true:
a) She saw my post and honestly thought it a convincing case in addition to everything else said on Wartortle, and thus switched her tune on him—in this case, her flipping her reads when other people present counter arguments likely means she is struggling to properly sort anyone out yet.
b) She saw that I was townreading her earlier in 160 and is hoping to get a pocket on me by sheeping my reads. I think that this would make the most sense out of the two options if we take 199 as a correct observation.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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So I’m getting the sense that you don’t agree with my theory—all fine and good.In post 247, OutWorldER wrote:
VOTE: AnimatedWizIn post 245, AnimatedWiz wrote:
Hm, I would like to share a theory of mine: I think Naerys’s read changing on Wartortle is likely due to 216, since it’s the only post before hers to directly mention 20 at all. We know her read on him changed because in 68 she agreed with him enough to change her vote accordingly.In post 241, OutWorldER wrote: That said I'm also a little bit weird on Naerys at this point as I find it strange that she brings up post 20 as her reason for SRing Wartortle but only started pushing that read recently. I don't feel like that lines up with Naerys own opening in 39 and 41.
If this is the case, it likely means one of these two possibilities is true:
a) She saw my post and honestly thought it a convincing case in addition to everything else said on Wartortle, and thus switched her tune on him—in this case, her flipping her reads when other people present counter arguments likely means she is struggling to properly sort anyone out yet.
b) She saw that I was townreading her earlier in 160 and is hoping to get a pocket on me by sheeping my reads. I think that this would make the most sense out of the two options if we take 199 as a correct observation.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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In the same paragraph that quote is taken from, I state that I don’t think you’re scummy then—I’m fine with them pressuring you if it helps them figure you out and focus on someone with a better case against them. Why vote someone back to E-2 if I have several other scumreads ahead of them.In post 256, TheHoldSteady wrote:
Ya'll? Why don't you pressure me yourself? You definitely seem more hesitant this game to step on any toes.In post 156, AnimatedWiz wrote: I’m not opposed to y’all pressuring them to get us more info.
Plus, I would say spending like 10 posts in a row debating with DragonEater about how I think him and Wartortle are scummy isn’t being hesitant to step on toes, nor is sharing a theory about Naerys sheeping multiple people.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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Uh, two thoughts :
1) I really didn’t know OWER was trying to ask Naerys specifically on why she changed her vote and such, which is why I shared my theory on that—wasn’t trying to speak for her .
I also see what you mean about the two-pronged theory not being super helpful—I think in trying to be accurate (and therefore covering all the possibilities I could see), I lost most of the decisiveness of just presenting the possibility I thought most applicable. I appreciate you pointing that fact out for me—I’ll have to try to be more narrow with my theories in the future so they can have more… oomph.
2) I’m definitely playing different from my first town game, which I think is a good thing—in that game, I spent a lot of time taking arguments very personally and thinking people were out to get me when they pressured me (you can read my PT there to see this), and over the course of that game I realized that I needed to chill. The point of that PT was to document my thoughts then so I could learn from that game and play better now.
So yeah, I’m less, uh, fiery and direct this time around, but I’m also enjoying this game way more because I know a lot more strategy and how to not freak my anxiety out needlessly. I think we’d all probably be bad players if we didn’t grow beyond our first games, y’know?Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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This is the theory I was presenting as the one I believe in, and here’s where I say that. I am scumreading Naerys.In post 245, AnimatedWiz wrote: b) She saw that I was townreading her earlier in 160 and is hoping to get a pocket on me by sheeping my reads.I think that this would make the most sense out of the two options if we take 199 as a correct observation.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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I am not trying to dance around your questions, but Iamhaving a really hard time picking up on when you’re trying to ask for stuff, unfortunately.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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Sheeping my read, as well as the rest of that scumlist where I discovered it—seeing that post set off alarm bells in my head, just like how my post did for you. I was shocked that I was the top townread when we hadn’t really interacted at all beforehand, and the dig against you for being inactive felt like it was being set up for later use as an excuse to turn on you.
Also, I earlier (136) said that I generally am willing to trust Python—it’s hard to back out of the pocket theory if I’ve previously said that, at least not without a Python scumflip or something.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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If I could ask you, OWER, what are your reads right now?Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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My whole theory was about how I thought Naerys was sheeping me in an attempt to pocket me, and I included post links and everything—this is not meant to be mean, but did you forget?
Also, what is your read on BlackStar specifically?Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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I agree we haven’t had much direct interaction, but I think that fact supports my theory instead of weakening it—it’s weird to have me as a top townread and sheep my reads when we’ve not interacted aside from me saying that I want to trust her once.
I think all of that was part of subtle attempt at making me want to further trust her over time without having any easy, quotable evidence like directly saying she trusts me or likes me or something. It’s quite natural to trust people who have similar reads, especially if other people are against those reads, right—that’s the way I think she was trying to pocket me.
Plus, out of everyone in the town, I was probably the best candidate for her to try that on, since I’m new, already reading her favorably, and have reads that other people are against.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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I’m explaining my theory because people keep questioning me about it.In post 300, BlackStar wrote:
VOTE: animatedwizIn post 297, AnimatedWiz wrote: I agree we haven’t had much direct interaction, but I think that fact supports my theory instead of weakening it—it’s weird to have me as a top townread and sheep my reads when we’ve not interacted aside from me saying that I want to trust her once.
I think all of that was part of subtle attempt at making me want to further trust her over time without having any easy, quotable evidence like directly saying she trusts me or likes me or something. It’s quite natural to trust people who have similar reads, especially if other people are against those reads, right—that’s the way I think she was trying to pocket me.
Plus, out of everyone in the town, I was probably the best candidate for her to try that on, since I’m new, already reading her favorably, and have reads that other people are against.
I don’t get why you’ve spent so much time talking about how you’re suspicious of Naerys but you don’t seem to have any intention of voting her. It feels like you want approval from everyone first
Also, VOTE: DragonEater. Weird last three posts.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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Well, there’s always the possibility of keeping me around as limbait, or just trying to keep me until LimLo where I hopefully vote with her. I think she benefits from pocketing anyone, and I was judged to be an opportune target for that.In post 302, OutWorldER wrote: Why is it weird to have someone you haven't really interacted with as a TR? What does Naerys get from pocketing YOU specifically, especially considering that you haven't really been in control of the game-state throughout this entire day?Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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They struck me with an odd vibe that matched the earlier vibe I got from DE’s posts that made me distrust him in the first place—doesn’t surprise me that you didn’t catch it since you didn’t catch the same vibe earlier.
To me, it felt like an attempt to appear involved without committing—a way to say, “I’d vote Annie,” without having to actually vote me, because he can come back tomorrow and say he read over everything and changed his mind. It’s like OWER was accusing me of—appearing to support a cause while still keeping the back door open.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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I feel confident in scum!Naerys, butIn post 303, BlackStar wrote: You were just talking about how you feel confident in your theory and then you go and vote for someone else entirely. I don’t get itmoreconfident in scum!DE.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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I think this is another example of you trying push me while leaving the backdoor open—saying I don’t “scream scum,” but still supporting the vote on me (and trying to make it even easier to disavow by saying it was the post you were “going to send” while you were sleepy).In post 309, DragonEater70 wrote: Just for the record, this is the post I typed out earlier (before I fell asleep):
VOTE: Wiz
I just don't see anything towny about him. I'm not saying the slot *screams* "scum", but I feel I could towncase literally everyone in this game except Wiz, Enchant and Hu Tao. And Hu Tao has made 2 posts. And Enchant is Enchant.
Also, if you townread everyone except me and two people you don’t have much of a read on yet, you don’t have enough scumreads. I think you are trying to avoid offending everyone to go with the flow.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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If I was scum and wanted to play in a way where I wouldn’t be caught, I would not be silly enough to repeat similar tactics that got me scumread by people in my last scum game… especially when those same people are now in this game, and on D1 no less.
Me sounding similar in both games is why BlackStar is scumreading me, and if I remember correctly, it’s the same for Hu Tao and, uh, maybe Enchant? Me sounding similar to last game to them doesn’t track with me attempting to fly under the radar.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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Honestly, it’s mostly that I’ve switched votes a few times, and back then I was accused (rightfully so) of attempting to stay in the middle to avoid provoking any retaliation. I feel like I’ve been better about making my scumreads clear this game and being loud about them, but the two-pronged Naerys theory and switching to pressure-vote Hu Tao are probably sticking in their minds more than anything else I’ve done.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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Well, convincing you of my read on you being right is pointless. Really, I’m trying to share my thought process for this stuff as thoroughly as possible, because there is a real chance I’m our first miselim—I’d like to make sure that I can help the town with my hunting, regardless of whether I survive to D2. I don’t want to lead any investigations astray with being too, uh, quiet or unclear about stuff.
I have given you every reason I’ve thought for you being scummy, and talked plenty about Naerys, too—so for now, I just have to wait for the others to come to their own judgments about whether I make any valid points. Hopefully that results in me sticking around for at least a little longer, because I’d really like to get more info on stuff.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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Good luck—hopefully everything goes well.In post 337, Naerys wrote: I am going for an op tmorrow ( having my gallbladder removed)
So i am not sure if i will be able to post tomorrow. I should be released on Wednesday, so i will see when i will be back.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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Hm… I think seeing how Roden reads everything up to this point and proceeds after will be great for clarifying some stuff on that slot—hopefully it’ll help y’all see what I’m seeing if multiple players act scummy in the same slot.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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Ah jeez, it’s like a whole new game with all these replacements—nice to see you though, Black.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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I would love the game state to change, considering I’m on the chopping block—just means I have to now consider two player’s playstyles in one single spot, multiple times. Greater mental load for a bit.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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Hm, as weird as THS has been this game, I do feel it’s mostly consistent with this town game of his that I was also in.
From what I remember (and just read over in his ISO there), he frequently changed his reads based on new perspectives from other people, and was willing to really argue for stuff he might back off from later—I wouldn’t say he’s wishy-washy, but more like, uh, willing to be a devil’s advocate to generate content. He also wasn’t really sure how to read me there for the majority of the game (at least, based on what he posted), so the fact that he’s having some issues here feels like a continuation of that trend.
Townread for now.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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This makes sense to me, personally—at a certain point when I was deep in the walling, I realized I needed to pull away a bit or I was going to just fully sap everyone of our mental energy, me included. I totally see a townie saying this.In post 466, usesPython wrote:
Just realised that even if people start posting about new stuff it's still gonna be in relation to the reactions to those walls and we'll still have to read the original wallsIn post 464, usesPython wrote: We vibed with his early posting and then kinda mentally checked out from the game once the Wiz/DE walls started happening
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I feel like, hm… I do townread Python, since from the beginning they seemed to have good questions and like they were involved even if there was the occasional break in posting. I would say, uh, it seems to me like they have their reads really close to their chest, but whenever they ask a question I do really feel like they’re trying to sort everyone out from that.
For me, I got that feeling around pages 4-8 or so, so you might not be reading them same way since you came in later and read everything all at once.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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Hm, on going back through their ISO, I both don’t see many questions (most are after you start questioning them around page, uh, 17 or so?) and also not a lot of stuff that feel like sorting. Lots of, “this person is spitting,” or “this is an issue, but not enough to do something about it,” which is weird (both because I somehow remembered them asking questions when they didn’t, and also because it’s very, uh, passive).
I feel like, um, early on they were pretty concise and stated their feelings on posts (which I said something about in 136), but after a while it gets a bit muddier about what they’re feeling—still have posts that are just as short, but they have far less clarity. They also admit to sheeping at one point, which is also pretty passive.
I wouldn’t say I scumread Python now, but this reread did evaporate the townread I had on them.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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I feel like it would be way easier and less suspicious if I just… said I wasn’t sure about Python in the first place here, instead of going, “I really trust them, oh wait, never mind.”Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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In post 498, BlackStar wrote: You already mentioned earlier that you town read them, so that wouldn't have worked
What I’m saying is, I could’ve just said I changed my mind in the first post I made and said all the stuff about, “they’ve become less clear over time and have been really passive,” instead of saying something that turned out to not be true first.
Unfortunately, it’s just that I held the town’s idiot ball for a bit.
P.E.: I think BlackStar is town—this feels like him last game, and a lot of the logic he’s using makes sense to me if he’s applying stuff he learned in the last game here to sort me.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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Just to clarify, you said this and then put Wartortle at the top of your neutral reads, right? Did anything happen in between these two points?In post 477, BlackStar wrote:
After rereading his ISO, I think you have a point about him not trying hard to push his reads through. Before I saw him as being willing to change his reads and adapt, but now it feels like he's just shifting his vote to anyone for weak reasonsIn post 472, Thestatusquo wrote: Does it seem to you like he's actually trying to make the lims he wants happen?Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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In post 520, usesPython wrote: Like it looks like we're sheeping people cause half the time people stole our takes while we were asleep, posts like 202 were the few times we didn't get sniped
The stuff about time zones makes sense, because a lot of content is generated when y’all aren’t active, but I’m still a little confused—in 267, y’all said you were sheeping.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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