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I think all three SRs are wrong but I'm probably wrong on that mathematically speakingIn post 926, Hu Tao wrote:
Unfortunately 1 and probably 2 of your scumreads are wrong. So might need to rethink itIn post 919, cw357 wrote:MY READS
WELCOME TO AMOGUS CITY
He got that drip frfr
The nice list
Flavor
Pavowski
Joyboy
The neutral list
HighPrincessErinys
geraintm
Purplemango
The naught list (impostors are venting and sabotaging our tasks like taking care of navigation but then the oxygen starts to run out??!?!?!??!!)
Kyouku
DragonEater
Hu Tao
further developments could cause me to downgrade either joyboy or purplemango and swap them with a scumread, unlikely though
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This is definitely a scum postIn post 900, Pavowski wrote:
I'm not going to pretend to understand the logic of why this post means Kyo or DE or *both* could be scum, but the more I sit with it the more scum!Dragon makes sense to meIn post 899, cw357 wrote:see below
well this means at least one scum in DE/Kyouko, which I could have seen already.
I arrive at the following conclusion:
If Kyouko is town then DE/Flavor ig could be w/w? Maybe both Kyo and DE are scum
But I'm going to go out on a limb and VOTE: ssbm_Kyouko
prob should vig DE if kyouko flips town
VOTE: Dragon
Like Pav isn't even pretending to have a reason to vote me. It's thinly veiled OMGUS on a slot that he sees is coming under fire, when he needs to divert attention off hinself after the towncore starts suspecting him.
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Yeah I don't think Pav has been particulalrly scummy in his play, it's just a gut thought that he's scum more than anything else. Like his towniness is the easiest to fake out of all players, if that makes sense.-
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Anyhow I'm going to slither back into the meta rabbit hole I've been in for the last 40 minutes trying to figure out if my read of Kyo is valid or not-
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Alright I skimmed like 2-3 of Kyouko's town games and also 2-3 scum games of hers, and my conclusion is that Kyouko doesn't know how to powerwolf / fake-tunnel as scum. OTOH, there's at least one instance in her town games of being overly-insistent on a wrong scumread.
So I feel content with my read of her as town for now - at least until she does something which makes me question that read.-
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How the fuck does that work??? Like you think FL is lying about being a vig? If so you should vote him not me. And why would scum!me even need to "bait out the real vig" if Flavor isn't the real vig? Wouldn't the "real vig" CC anyway?
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You have a really dry sense of humor.In post 892, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
No?In post 648, DragonEater70 wrote:
Probably because we were naughty and killed LaplacianIn post 596, Hu Tao wrote: Santa brought us coal for Christmas
@Kyocan I be conftown for not wanting to kill him earlier?-
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If all my town reads are correct (which is 100% not the case), then the following are town:
Purple, Flavor, Dragon, HPE, cw, Kyouko, Hu Tao
Meaning the scum team is exactly Gera/Pav/Joyboy
However like I said this is incorrect
What I think is pretty likely is there's 0 scum in Purple/Dragon/Flavor/Kyo, 1 scum in cw/HPE/Hu Tao, and 2 scum in Gera/Pav/Joyboy
Pav is my most confident SR but I would 100% go for Gera/Joyboy. I think fading one and vigging another out of these three will give us a scum flip 95% of the time.-
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Dark green - conftownIn post 589, D1 Final VC wrote:Votecount 1.6
With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to eliminate. Day 1 ends in (expired on 2024-01-02 07:27:34).
Light green - confident these are town / conftown FMPOV only
Based on this we can rule out HPE/Pav/Gera scum team as well as Hu/cw/Joy scum team. However cw and Hu Tao have individually high partner equity with Joyboy (distancing).
Pav's vote looks less opportunistic than I remembered.
Maybe the solve is like 2 out of cw/Joy/Hu Tao + 1 out of HPE/Gera. I need to look at combined ISOs to confirm likelihood of this.-
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Cobtinuing ISO work from yesterday:
While joint ISOing cw/Joyboy I noticed interestingly that Pav/cw are also never scum together
cw/Joyboy don't look partnered on an ISO read actually, but there's definitely a world where they decided to spend Day 1 on crazy distancing kinda like how I did with RCE in this game.
Joyboy can you explain your read on cw please? Yes I will keep asking you to.
And cw what's your read on Joyboy? Is it just scum for taking the policy elim bait?-
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In post 973, Hu Tao wrote:
I don't hate this planIn post 967, DragonEater70 wrote: If all my town reads are correct (which is 100% not the case), then the following are town:
Purple, Flavor, Dragon, HPE, cw, Kyouko, Hu Tao
Meaning the scum team is exactly Gera/Pav/Joyboy
However like I said this is incorrect
What I think is pretty likely is there's 0 scum in Purple/Dragon/Flavor/Kyo, 1 scum in cw/HPE/Hu Tao, and 2 scum in Gera/Pav/Joyboy
Pav is my most confident SR but I would 100% go for Gera/Joyboy. I think fading one and vigging another out of these three will give us a scum flip 95% of the time.
VOTE: JoyboyIn post 974, Hu Tao wrote:
Okay let's go joyboy if you think I'm just scum bussing.In post 968, DragonEater70 wrote:
Dark green - conftownIn post 589, D1 Final VC wrote:Votecount 1.6
With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to eliminate. Day 1 ends in (expired on 2024-01-02 07:27:34).
Light green - confident these are town / conftown FMPOV only
Based on this we can rule out HPE/Pav/Gera scum team as well as Hu/cw/Joy scum team. However cw and Hu Tao have individually high partner equity with Joyboy (distancing).
Pav's vote looks less opportunistic than I remembered.
Maybe the solve is like 2 out of cw/Joy/Hu Tao + 1 out of HPE/Gera. I need to look at combined ISOs to confirm likelihood of this.-
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CorrectIn post 978, Flavor Leaf wrote: If CW is town, and Hu Tao/Dragon town, if I’m dead, CW voting one of Hu Tao/Dragon is game over.-
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You forget (or intentionally ignore) that town!cw misvotes 90% of the time in ELo.In post 984, Pavowski wrote:
Missing scum today would be bad but wouldn't end the game, I don't think.In post 983, Hu Tao wrote: How terrible would a mass claim be right now. Because as of right now, I feel like if we don't get scum today or by vig shot, we lose effectively.
Currently 10 players, 3 scum
We vote off town, that's 6 town to 3 scum
Assuming scum kills tonight and it's unstoppable (I dunno how likely this is, just playing out worst cases) that's 5 town to 3 scum
Assuming vig shoots green tonight that's 4 town to 3 scum
Y'know, suboptimal, but not a game over if we miss today. I dunno if we need or want the mass claim, and I personally am not going back looking for softs. Maybe Kyo wants a homework assignment.
Literal proof of this in the literal next post.In post 985, cw357 wrote: i am vt
not opposed to a hu tao wagon, who's feeling it?
maybe hu tao/dragon/hpe is scumteam?-
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Thing is you are the one omgusingIn post 986, Pavowski wrote:
Dragon you seem to have gone right to to "Pav's reasons are bad therefore scum" without ever passing through "Pav's reasons are bad, therefore dumb town".In post 957, DragonEater70 wrote: But 900, 863 and 867 read as flailing / throwing mud everywhere in search of a viable wagon
Here's the thing -- your play has been chaotic enough that it's been hard to read for me from game start. You've made some odd votes, sheeped FL almost without fail, and now that I'm professing some serious misgivings about you, wham, I'm one of your top scumreads. I don't think you OMGUS me like that as town.
You're the one I want today, baby, but we'll always have d1
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Let me explain my thought process on Pav, because I sorta intentionally didn't explain it earlier as I'd wanted to see reactions to my vote on him.
Day 1 he was being voted/shaded for some eary game weirdness which I was willing to ignore as I could see coming from town. Then he made more posts which came across as towny.
However today with Abnegation flipping green and me re-evaluating my scumread on HPE (I think HPE is nulltown right now FWIW), I realized I'd been most likely townreading scum. And while his posts *sound* towny, they are definitely NOT impossible to fake, which makes him the likeliest person to be the scum I'd been townreading. He *sounds* like he's trying to solve the game, but when I actually read his posts I cannot an actual thought process about people's alignments to which I could say "yeah, this person actually had this thought and is actually trying to figure things out".-
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Okay this genuinely made me chuckleIn post 988, Pavowski wrote:In post 985, cw357 wrote: i am vt
not opposed to a hu tao wagon, who's feeling it?
maybe hu tao/dragon/hpe is scumteam?
I kinda ship DE/Hu Tao as scumteam with a lurker but this is awfully lazy defense of scum!Dragon by a scumpartnerIn post 942, Hu Tao wrote: I've been town reading dragon since day 1
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I really don't mind being shot by FlavorIn post 1000, Pavowski wrote: Rather you shoot Dragon if you flip me/CW today but you do you boo
Maybe somebody can change my mind over the coming days, tho
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In post 1005, Flavor Leaf wrote: Im beginning to think Kyouko is probably scum here as well, so that might be a vig shot.In post 1006, Flavor Leaf wrote: idk, that Lap wagon was really bad, and I knew it too. If I wasn't vig, i wouldnt have faded there, even with the vanilla claim.
Stop stealing my thoughts Flavor.In post 1007, Flavor Leaf wrote: HPE's vote on Lap is awful too.-
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Can you explain why town!me implies scum!purple? I am like totally failing to see the rationale here. If you are town explaining this rationale might help me see your thought process.In post 1016, Pavowski wrote:
I stated it before but I am gonna be gobsmacked if scum!Kyo leads a relentless charge like that on Lap. She never wavered, even a little bit -- that's a hell of a gambit for scum.In post 1013, Flavor Leaf wrote: Kyouko, HPE, Hu Tao?
Of course, me being surprised by a thing is hardly a reason to think it couldn't happen.
More likely Hu Tao, HPE, Geraint but Geraint's still basically a zero info slot
If I'm going to reconsider town!Dragon I need to reconsider scum!Purple, I was close to ruling that out-
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Also I don't understand something - do you want to vote slots only based on how much info they give? Not based on how lilely to flip scum they are?-
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Like this line of "it could be geraint but geraint is still a zero info slot" pings me as Pav trying to prevent a wagon on his partner with weak reasoning.-
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Also (and sorry for spamming), what made you reconsider and decide I could be town?-
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Anyhow I agree Purple has no agenda and that TRing everyone makes sense
I agree with Hu Tao that shooting between Dragon/HT is a bad idea if you want to shoot scum, and I think if Pav flips town today and you sooo sure there's one scum between Pav/cw, you should just shoot cw (also prevents cw from misvoting in ELo in town!cw world).-
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I've kinda convinced myself Pav has to be scum here - he continues making town-sounding posts but there's no real point behind them except try to look better.-
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I'm not really defending cw, I just just want to kill Pav today. Do you disagree with the several posts I've made pointing out why he's scum?-
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Flavor I just finished a game (the one I linked earlier that you replaced out of) where on Day 2 there were 10 players alive with a large PoE and few townreads. And in that game I made the mistake of not pushing and poking people until I was sure of their alignments but sort of working together with scum to get a compromise lim.
cw in my eyes is a compromise lim and will probably flip town and then we will have a nightmarish Day 3. Pav actually has an agenda, you literally said this 3 pages ago. I want to kill Pav, or alternatively continue pressuring him until he responds well enough I actually TR him.-
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Okay then please do a proper scum case with quotes of the posts explaining the agenda.
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In post 1088, Flavor Leaf wrote: cases with quotes are for scum or catchups.
Convince me however you want. I know you know what I mean, and I know you know you are able to do it. I just want to be convinced before I vote there.-
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Basically, scum usually try to convince town to do something that is bad for town, such as voting town or not voting scum.
Flavor basically said, and I agree with him, that you are not trying to convince anyone to do anything and that means you ared town.-
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I also saw that and it definitely gave me pause, but I feel this is more posturing about fighting than actually fighting? Like if he really had this attitude I'd expect him to push me / Hu Tao more and make sure that the "right" lim/kill happens after he dies, but instead he's like "oh okay cool you wanna kill me today? I believe in you town".In post 1090, Flavor Leaf wrote: i just generally feel Pav's got a sense of 'if i gotta die, i gotta die, but im gonna fight trying' in a townie way, and not a scummy way.
It's fake.-
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I misread this earlier.In post 870, Pavowski wrote: I promise I'm not deliberately spamming the thread, but I hate wall posting. Between my last post and some notes I took at the end of d1 when I got home and the thread was locked have me really considering Purple/Dragon as two of the three scum (It would be 3 in a normal, right?). And given they know each other IRL...
scum!Purple / scum!Dragon works
town!Purple / scum!Dragon works
scum!Purple / town!Dragon doesn't work
town!Purple / town!Dragon could work but that means I have to find 3 scum in HPE, Kyouko, Joy, CW, Gera, Hu Tao. Possible? Yes. Likely? Feels like no.
Purple, what's your take on Dragon right now?
Are you basically implying the only worlds that work are worlds where I am scum? Then why even put Purple into the equation here? Why can't I be town and Purple scum FYPOV?
This feels forced.-
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OkayIn post 1092, Flavor Leaf wrote: It's also the way Pav talks to me with like zero implications of where I'm headed, even when they're on the chopping block.
They're like on the short list for both being faded and vigged, probably almost more than anyone in this game considering the push back on CW. And I think that's telling.
I wanna let some other people respond before I say what I think-
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Explain?In post 1100, Pavowski wrote: I posted this when I first started seriously considering you as scum and exploring the idea in the open. Looking at your interactions with Purple I came to the above. Unfortunately most of those combinations favored, and made sense in a context of, you being scum.-
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Yes, I understood that much
Why could you see it / couldn't you see it that way?-
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I hated that analysisIn post 1110, Pavowski wrote: Never mind that was Hu Tao, damn these H names
Maybe I'm biased because I hate everything cw posts, but like are they scumreading her for "tunneling"? Since when has "tunneling" been a scum-exclusive trait?
And calling 399 w/w with me is laughable.
Honestly I am not sure it can even be called analysis, it looks like cw just opens a person's ISO and finds reasons to scumread them, ignoring any context or reasons to TR them.
I agree with Flavor that this is probably scum acting that way intentionally. Or newbscum who doesn't know hoe to fake natural reads.
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I'm gonna locktown Hu TaoIn post 1113, Hu Tao wrote:
I think that cw is probably town but will vote wrong tomorrow so he needs to go. Still a small chance he flips scum so better now then later. Pav seems to be the one who does soft defenses of cw so I think he could be the scum that wants cw alive for tomorrow.In post 1094, Flavor Leaf wrote: Hu Tao, can you talk about the PV/CW - Hu Tao/DragonEater dynamics to me? What are your thoughts on the 4 of you, not necessarily your read, but your thoughts on the 2 v 2 as a general thing.
In terms of Dragon and me. Could dragon ve pocketing me? Idk, I don't think so. Last time I played with dragon scum he was obvious and I called it day 1. I don't see that here. I think it's weird cw tries to push that me and dragon are a pair and his read seems very surface level which is why I think there is a chance cw flips scum.
So that makes 4 I'm never voting - Purple, Flavor, Hu Tao and myself.-
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You're saying this from a scum!Pav / town!cw perpective?In post 1114, Hu Tao wrote:
Thing is. Pav doesn't need to push us. Cw is doing it for him. So that's why it seems he has no need to fight itIn post 1098, DragonEater70 wrote:
I also saw that and it definitely gave me pause, but I feel this is more posturing about fighting than actually fighting? Like if he really had this attitude I'd expect him to push me / Hu Tao more and make sure that the "right" lim/kill happens after he dies, but instead he's like "oh okay cool you wanna kill me today? I believe in you town".In post 1090, Flavor Leaf wrote: i just generally feel Pav's got a sense of 'if i gotta die, i gotta die, but im gonna fight trying' in a townie way, and not a scummy way.
It's fake.-
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I know me and Hu Tao are powerwolfing right now with how we hard TR each other and push the same people, but you gotta trust in the power of the green powerwolf team.
So like, don't shoot us, please and thank you
Pedit: yay Kyouko is back
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Quit throwingIn post 1122, cw357 wrote: VOTE: cw357
I'm not changing this vote rest of d2, you all can either wise up and vote hu tao or dragon or I'll get elimed, in which case doesn't make a difference what I vote-
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Who do you think is bussing / being bussed?In post 1134, Hu Tao wrote: Since we have a cop and vig. I'm guessing scum have 2 strong pr as well. So it's possible there is a scum that is being bussed by their teammates.-
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I can't fully explain why she's townIn post 1135, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
Can you explain why Hu Tao is town? I agree with the points I'm reading from cw against Hu Tao, but I have been severely tunneled in this game up until today. Specifically you mentioned it looks like cw is opening ISOs and ignoring context, and maybe because I've been tunneled I'm missing the fact that context is missing?In post 1118, DragonEater70 wrote:
I'm gonna locktown Hu TaoIn post 1113, Hu Tao wrote:
I think that cw is probably town but will vote wrong tomorrow so he needs to go. Still a small chance he flips scum so better now then later. Pav seems to be the one who does soft defenses of cw so I think he could be the scum that wants cw alive for tomorrow.In post 1094, Flavor Leaf wrote: Hu Tao, can you talk about the PV/CW - Hu Tao/DragonEater dynamics to me? What are your thoughts on the 4 of you, not necessarily your read, but your thoughts on the 2 v 2 as a general thing.
In terms of Dragon and me. Could dragon ve pocketing me? Idk, I don't think so. Last time I played with dragon scum he was obvious and I called it day 1. I don't see that here. I think it's weird cw tries to push that me and dragon are a pair and his read seems very surface level which is why I think there is a chance cw flips scum.
So that makes 4 I'm never voting - Purple, Flavor, Hu Tao and myself.
I feel in isolation and without fact-checking them that the cw posts about scum!HT make sense. Flavor being conftown and Laplacian flipping town really turns this game upside down for me. I also noticed about Thomith a few days ago when looking at his ISO that from the way he talked about Hu Tao I'm pretty sure he was banking on investigating them. I haven't looked for their meta together yet but it might be HT had reason to believe that could happen if they've played together in games where Thomith was an investigative before
I just feel she's working with me in a way that feels genuine and not like a pocket. Last time I played with scum Hu Tao, she was pocketing me hard, and although I had a TR on her, I was constantly paranoid she was pocketing me because the reads she had were too convenient. I don't have the same paranoia here.
The post I quoted doesn't feel in line with my experience of Hu Tao's scum game, either - there's too much genuine thought put into it compared to her scum game.
With cw, they are calling Hu Tao scum for tunneling, without considering the actual context of the tunneling and whether it could be a town tunnel. They decided a random post where Hu Tao asks me a(n admittedly pointless) question means Hu Tao is scum with me, but they are ignoring the bulk of Hu Tao's ISO which when read is full of town posts.-
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Day 1 - hedging more about reads, either sheeping a townleader onto Lap or being LAMIST about not being on the wagon.In post 1140, Pavowski wrote: Ok Dragon, what would scum!Purple be doing here?
Day 2 - trying to make a play of some sort to distract from teammates being scumread (considering most people alive were scumread at some point today, I think it's a safe assumption to say that scum!Purple's teammates would have been SR'd at one point). Being more proactive in general.
Like this is a general idea, I cannot guarantee this is 1 for 1 what would happen, but the vibe here is vastly different.-
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It was a Day 1 thingIn post 1143, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
This one misses when you unconditionally sheeped FLIn post 1091, DragonEater70 wrote:In post 1088, Flavor Leaf wrote: cases with quotes are for scum or catchups.
Convince me however you want. I know you know what I mean, and I know you know you are able to do it. I just want to be convinced before I vote there.
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Do you have any reads whatsoever? I have skimmed your ISO and I don't get the impression you have a stance on anyone.-
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Def not me, I once missed a crumb from my own slotIn post 1179, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: (cw?, geraintm, joyboy?, flavor, myself, maybe DragonEater?) - players who reasonably could have found Thomith's cop crumb-
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