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Haschel Cedricson wrote:Wait, we've got a hydra in the game? Not too pleased about that.
yes actually. I believe I made it very clear in the queue that this is a hydra. If you are very much apposed to it (after talking to bub) we could easily replace out.
@Beck, okay, I just didn't want to have two complete noobs like we had last game that we played in.The epic hydra combination that never should have happened.-
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Humble Poirot wrote:I didn't consider to place prerequisites on the game to avoid entirely new players, hydra accounts or anything else that might bother people.
I think it's fair to say that if 5 players pm anonymously or in the game I'll look for a replacement for the hydra.
Honestly, I thought that mini normals didn't allow for non alts to join without playing a newbie game before but it doesn't seem to be an issue here.
We're waiting on celebloki to confirm and, in the meantime, can decide if I need to look for a replacement for anyone
We just finished a mini game (nowheresvill I think). Both bub and I (CooLDoG) have played in many other games as well.
deselby wrote:@coolskins, I am a noob, I have played 1 newbie game. I will try not to damage your sanity too much.
I just finished a game with two people who did not even go through newbies. You should be fine, and I'm looking forward to playing with you.
Beck wrote:just to be clear, a hydra is 2 people playing under 1 account?
that is what it looks like based of the 2 confirms by the same person.
i think it is weird personally but I will give it a shot, its hard to read 2 different people/opinions playing the same account but whatever.
as for me, don't worry about me, i will do just fine.
Hydra just means more then one person share the account (epic 3-way hydra anybody?). We still only have 1 vote, and we normally agree on most things.The epic hydra combination that never should have happened.-
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Haschel Cedricson wrote:CooLskins wrote:Haschel Cedricson wrote:Wait, we've got a hydra in the game? Not too pleased about that.
yes actually. I believe I made it very clear in the queue that this is a hydra. If you are very much apposed to it (after talking to bub) we could easily replace out.
Nah, I can suck it up and deal with it. To tell the truth, I didn't read any of the Queue, I just typed "/in for next". I have a bit of trouble reading hydras because of my scumhunting style, so don't be surprised if later in the game I do something like ask a question and demand that one specific head answer.
Anyhoo, let's get down to business.Vote: Surye. He knows why.
That is great. I should try doing that to other hydra's too.
@Zodiak, But, that's only half my account
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CooLDoG wrote:No, I'm a packer's fan (before the super bowl win) and Bub Biderskins is actually a Titans fan.
Yep, I'm a Titans fan (which is kind of depressing).
kondi2424 wrote:Parama wrote:vote: kondi
policy lynching it up in this
bobsnox, I promise not to kill you tonight.
Parama, we discussed this in the QT. You can only policy lynch me after D1 so you look better.
VOTE: Parama for not listening.
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No, its just because its fun. We know each other really well in real life, and we didn't have many games going. So we just decided to start a hydra. After our first game (you can reread it right here. Its called Nowherevill) it was so much fun that we decided to do it again. Both Bub and I have other games going as individuals, and we are usually on-line a lot. Its simply a "fun thing".
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simple really:
1) wishywashy in vote stages. Votes for hasc, then all of a sudden votes for don.
2) hops on biggest wagon that already has 4 peple on it. Which is plenty big for an rvs wagon
3) His votes don't contribute to the game. Hasc had 2 votes on him when he unvoted to a wagon that had no votes.
4) piggy-backing with an apparently experienced (I full heatedly deny this ) player to gain town credit.
5) doesn't seem to understand the magnitude of his vote.
I argue that your wagon has produced valued information. It exposed that all beck wants is a lynch and to appear town.
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I'm really not liking Don's reaction to the Beck wagon. Saying that the wagon is good without voting is classic scum fence-sitting. It could be him trying to push a townie wagon without his vote being on it, or him offering vague support for a scumbud's wagon without him actuall pushing it. Either way it's super scummy.
FoS: Don
Not going to vote for him just yet, though, because CooLDoG likes the Beck wagon and I want to respect his opinion. Also, I want to see where this wagon's going...
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fyi, parama is god. Listen to him.
Secondly, Beck's responce to the attack on him is very weak I wish I had time to dig into it now, but sadly I do not. I might not be able to post today (bub most likely will). I just want to say that Beck and Don are likely scum buds. The connection is obvious.
@#beck, parama has a meta of throwing out semi-random percentages in order to show how confident he is in making a statement. At least I think he has that meta.
I will have a lot more latter. Possibly in one hour. If that doesn't happen I probably will not be able to post at all today and have to play catch-up.
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deselby wrote:So, a litlle bit more patience today, everyone?
^yes we need this.
I personally have the strongest scum read on kondi right now. Just looking at his iso we see that he doesn't contribute to the game. Basically he is active lurking...
He has made a total of 5 posts and never gave a solid reason for his beck vote:
kondi2424 wrote:Oh, Parama already wrapped up the scum for us? Awesome.
VOTE: Beck
And later just asking for a claim:
kondi2424 wrote:Celebloki wrote:RVSUnvote@kondi, were you aware you put Beck at L-1?
Yea. He listed the 5 people that were already voting for him, so I knew he was at L2.
Beck wrote:And you say wifom like it's a negative thing, I can assure you 100% wifom isn't a scum tell(and yes I can provide proof for my 100% statement, unlike parama for his)
Proof please. Claim please.
The above (at least to me) shows that all kondi wants to do is lynch whoever is the biggest wagon.
Next we get to don...
Like kondi don does not contribute to the game at all. Only having six posts and no votes d-1. The extent of his scum hunting can be found in post #69 (thank you for the "real post number "):
don_johnson wrote:Beck wrote:So to get some discussion going, Don I find it just s tad interesting that you post shortly after I vote for you, especially since your post was to clarify which don I voted for.
just got home from work. my question was rhetorical.
beck wrote:Also Don, you seem to be posting elsewhere on site but not posting in here during the same time frame. I could understand a lack of time excuse if we were actually debating or discussing something heavy, but thats not the case here.
i never gave an "excuse". not sure what you are getting at.
beck wrote:Any reason why you aren't posting in here?
not in particular, no. can't talk about ongoing games, but i did just win one.
And naturally we have the non committal committal in post #88
don_johnson wrote:beck wagon is good. he has no sense of humor.
With no vote. Trying to gain town credit by "not being for the beck lynch". It also sets him up so he could easily transfer his suspicions to somebody else.
Next lets get to a recent post that needs addressing:
Parama wrote:Parama wrote:CooLskins and Beck just both double RVSed. There is a 100% chance at least one is scum.
So CooLskins is basically confirmed scum now.
vote: Hrezs
since there's two more scum, and Hrezs is one of them.
Here we go. I have the strongest scum read on player A, but I will not vote for him because He is so scummy that we can lynch him tomorrow, bullshit. If you have a scum read on somebody why are you not voting for them? It seems stupid to allow a someone who you are absolutely sure is scum survive till the night. There is no town motivation for voting for a number two scum read this early in the day, period.
Vote stays on don because bub also has a strong scum read on him.
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Per request:
bobsnox wrote:VOTE: CooLskins
Mostly hunch. Something is off about post #26.
FoS deselby
No specific reason in vote post. Moving on to your next post about us...
bobsnox wrote:Coolskins said something about not wanting to play with newbies. Deselby claimed to be a newbie. Coolskins said I'm looking forward to playing with you. I would quote but it's hard with the phone. Seems to me like Coolskins and deselby had time to get acquainted in scumchat before the game.
CooLskins #16 wrote:/confirm also.
For the sake of sanity are any of you guys noobs who are right out of the noob games?
Note: above is bub's confirm...
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I just didn't want to be explain a bunch of stuff along the way like it was a noob game. I also wanted to know for read perposes. For a noob some things aren't necessarily scum tells, like not wanting to RVS, or different posting style (a lot or very few posts).
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deselby wrote:@coolskins, I am a noob, I have played 1 newbie game. I will try not to damage your sanity too much.
Ijust finished a game with two people who did not even go through newbies. You should be fine, and I'm looking forward to playing with you.
This is farther clarification as to why I wanted to know who (if any) the noobs were. And Pleasure playing with is simply an acknowledgment similar to gg, gl, or hf.
didn't like it but I thought his reaction to my FoS was townie so he's a null read for me.bobsnox wrote:
Vote: Parama
I don't like deselby's reaction to my Coolskins vote and I don't like how Coolskins ignored it and my vote (unless I missed it - phone posting sorry). There are clearly better suspects than myself at the moment.
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Parama, kondi, and Don took my full attention at the time.
Des' reaction found here:
deselby wrote:bobsnox wrote:Coolskins said something about not wanting to play with newbies. Deselby claimed to be a newbie. Coolskins said I'm looking forward to playing with you. I would quote but it's hard with the phone. Seems to me like Coolskins and deselby had time to get acquainted in scumchat before the game.
Today's challenge: can anyone provide an accusation based on less evidence than this? You have provided no evidence whatsoever against either of us, other than the laughable claim quoted above, and the fact that parama said coolskins is scum. Do you think I am not a newbie? Why? Also, if we chatted pre game, why would we repeat it here?
In fact there is a more of a link between you and parama, see post 76 & 176. I point this out not because it means anyhting, but it just shows how utterly baseless your accusation is.
Town aim to lynch on evidence, scum just aim to lynch. Unless you have something else to add which makes sense:
vote bobsnox
Firs thing that strikes me is how quick he is to react to it. Second thing that strikes me is that he doesn't have a vote on him. He seems to be afraid of a possible lynch on him, and that explains his reactionary play. Interesting that he does not make much comment about the beck wagon at all in both days...
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bobsnox wrote:Xvart - those three together?...
Haschel - how he basically summarized why everyone was content to lynch Beck (seemed like a scummy way to seem protown instead of natural town behavior) and how he earlier just said he wanted to wait before hammering without explaining why.
You know what, I'm good with a cele lynch after reviewing his case again.
UNVOTE: Coolskins
VOTE: Celeboki
I think this is the right idea for now. Coolskins and deselby are reacting to my first vote. We can get more info out of them while gettimg the Celeboki wagon going.
Again, Parama is not today's lynch.
Ohh shit, that attack didn't work out. Lets just attack the guy who hammered. Not the person who has posted no content (and put beck at l-1) or the person who doesn't defend himself, or even the person who doesn't vote for his #1 scum read. Lets just vote for the biggest wagon.
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don_johnson wrote:No. im town. The implication there was that xvart might be a scum neighbor. His accusation came out of nowhere, so id like him to expand.
^link me to a pro-town post that you have made in this game. Also, one vote = claim? Explain that. Ever thought about Both you and xvart being town? Or maybe you are scum and he is town. That seems more likely.The epic hydra combination that never should have happened.-
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don_johnson wrote:All of my posts are "pro-town", depending on your definition. I have barely participated in this game so far. we just passed 200 posts. Thats not very long, especially to already be in day 2. Are you going to let me respond to xvart when I can, or are you going to continue to bash me while im posting from my phone?
Okay, lets try it with different wording. Link me to a post where you scumhunt.The epic hydra combination that never should have happened.-
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don wrote:voicing support for the beck wagon without a vote helps stir the pot. i haven't had a chance at this point to read the full game, so you can expect a more solid "scumhunting" post to come. anyhow, if you are familiar with my playstyle you should know i don't scumhunt in any "traditional" styles.
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don_johnson wrote:skins: Show me one post i have made that tells you, "Wow, this guy is scum.". The fact is that you can't link me to one.
^^ see how easy that is?
unvotecelbloks answer is adequate for now. for someone so seemingly eager to talk to me in the qt, xvart sure is taking his sweet time in responding to my response. didn't have a chance to catch up yet, but i will get to it asap.
kondi needs to respond.
^ohh easy. None of your posts are proactive. That's why you are scum. You only react, you aren't trying to find scum here. If you are town I would suggest that you link me to your amazing scumhunting tactics. And asl about the only 5 posts in d-1. That's kinda the point. You only made 5 posts and none of them were any good. In fact most of your posts are just trash. Don Dies today.
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game ate post...
@Bub: If you are reading this, you had betterfucking post.
@parama, I did learn that he admits to not scum hunting, and yet insists that he is pro-town. Also, good work on that their dodge.
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Zodiak only had 4 posts d-1...
Zodiark13 #4 wrote:Parama wrote:Hrezs, Zodiark, don, xvart, and kondi all need to post more; they all have 5 or less posts, and at least one of those is pregame for each.
-ponders for a moment-
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Hrezs wrote:Parama wrote:
vote: Hrezs
since there's two more scum, and Hrezs is one of them.
Hows this work again? I came back to read the game and the thread was closed.
Also you just called3people scum, and said2more scum left?
Sounds like a scumslip.
Vote: Parama
Of note: I havent actually read day 1
Can you say epic reaching?
Vote:Celebloki
Hammering a claimed OSV = bad
Hammering a claimed OSV less than a week since the start of the day = terrible
Hammering a claimed OSV less than a week since the start of the day just because the claimed OSV is a VI = scum
Hammering a claimed OSV less than a week since the start of the day just because the claimed OSV is a VI, and the claimed OSV flips OSV = if your not scum, I need to relearn how to scumhunt.
The old hammer = scum reasoning. Beck was acting scummy and the hammer was bad, but there was better people worth a vote.
Zodiark13 #6 wrote:Celeblokis refusal should make him jump up in scumminess, but for some reason it just gives of a town vibe. And honestly, hammering a VI is hardly a massive scumtell.
Unvote
don_johnson wrote:C'est moi? Xvart is my neighbor btw. So im a wee bit shocked by the accusation.
I don't like this one bit. It reads of "I'm getting a little suspicion, so I'm going to claim to try to get into the 'obvtown' chair".
xvart wrote:It is true. We are neighbors. I've been racking my brain for the life of me about our moderator and his opinions on neighbors since we were in a game together a while back and there were two town neighbors butHumble didn't say anything definitive about neighbors and alignments other than alignments are unknown. don did not talk in the neighbor QT at all pre game.
The bolded just makes dons claim worse. He conveniently forgot to mention that he doesn't know his neighbors alignment, which would be an important aspect of a claim, unless you are claiming solely for the sake of trying to make yourself obvtown.
Vote: don_johnson
^this could be a possible retraction from a bus. And he hops on the Don wagon. He doesn't give specific reasoning other then the stupid alignment speculation that don was doing.
Zodiark13 #294 wrote:So, I'm being suspected for not liking yesterdays hammer, then, finding the non-defense townish, moving onto my next scum read? Right.
bob has said 'Go look at Zodiark', then since then has harassed everyone for their opinion on me and deselby, without even posting a case, apart from the aforementioned "Look at him" and , against deselby, saying "I don't like how deselby is reacting to my CooLskins vote" and "You've outed yourself as scum lolololol". Yet, despite these "cases", you decided to pointlessly wagon Hrezs when the wagon against him hit full steam. Seriously, your last post is the closest you have come to providing any reason for voting, and its not even a reason.
UNVOTE
Vote: bobsnox
Sound reasoning in my opinion for jumping on the bob wagon. Bob is a bit wishy washy.
Basically all zodiark has done is vote for the person that hammered yesterday. And built up a small case on bob for swingy on and off of wagons. He hasn't generated that much content, but he has said anything that is overtly scummy.
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I totally disagree with CooLDoG.
unvote; vote: zodiark
If Don is scum, then I don't know what he was smoking to come up with all that about the role PM. Seriously. Scum don't do that.
Looking back, I've found that Zodiark is scum. He's changed his vote three times today, each time to the biggest wagon, and the contradictions are terribad.
Vote #1: Hey, celi hammered a townie. Must be scum.
Vote #2: Oops, I guess hammering a townie isn't that bad. Sorry. BTW, oooooh pretty don wagon.
Vote #3: OMFG! Bob's got a bigger wagon than don! MUST JUMP!!!
I get the feel that he isn't serious about any of his votes; which is classic scum behavior.The epic hydra combination that never should have happened.-
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xvart wrote:bobsnox wrote:Not sure what to think of Bub's post. I like the conclusion but I'm wary of the possibility that Bub was saving the hydra's hide.
I agree with this. I absolutely hate when hydra's contradict themselves in the game. Generally it's not too bad, but something like this, given the context of how it developed is highly suspicious. And sorry about the miscredit
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xvart wrote:bobsnox wrote:Not sure what to think of Bub's post. I like the conclusion but I'm wary of the possibility that Bub was saving the hydra's hide.
I agree with this. I absolutely hate when hydra's contradict themselves in the game. Generally it's not too bad, but something like this, given the context of how it developed is highly suspicious. And sorry about the miscredit
Is it any worse then what zodiark did by flip flopping? I still have a scum read on Don though. I just can't see don being town at the moment. I will hoewever, trust Bub's judgment.The epic hydra combination that never should have happened.-
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Crap!
Okay, to make sure I don't do that again, I'm changing the hydra theme to mobile. That way I'll never be able to mistake accounts again. Anyway, as to the case:
Okay, here's a more in-depth case that will hopefully fullfill Zodiark's needs. After producing virtually no content whatsoever on D-1, Zodiark posts this:
Zodiark13 wrote:Parama wrote:Hrezs, Zodiark, don, xvart, and kondi all need to post more; they all have 5 or less posts, and at least one of those is pregame for each.
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Hrezs wrote:Parama wrote:
vote: Hrezs
since there's two more scum, and Hrezs is one of them.
Hows this work again? I came back to read the game and the thread was closed.
Also you just called3people scum, and said2more scum left?
Sounds like a scumslip.
Vote: Parama
Of note: I havent actually read day 1
Can you say epic reaching?
Vote:Celebloki
Hammering a claimed OSV = bad
Hammering a claimed OSV less than a week since the start of the day = terrible
Hammering a claimed OSV less than a week since the start of the day just because the claimed OSV is a VI = scum
Hammering a claimed OSV less than a week since the start of the day just because the claimed OSV is a VI, and the claimed OSV flips OSV = if your not scum, I need to relearn how to scumhunt.
Relavent part is bolded. Uses very strong language to indicate that he thinks celi is scum. Says that if celi isn't scum that he needs to relearn how to scumhunt. Next post:
Zodiark13 wrote:bobsnox wrote:Coolskins said something about not wanting to play with newbies. Deselby claimed to be a newbie. Coolskins said I'm looking forward to playing with you. I would quote but it's hard with the phone. Seems to me like Coolskins and deselby had time to get acquainted in scumchat before the game.
Going back over the game, I feel I should point out the slight misrep here.
CooLskins wrote:Haschel Cedricson wrote:Wait, we've got a hydra in the game? Not too pleased about that.
yes actually. I believe I made it very clear in the queue that this is a hydra. If you are very much apposed to it (after talking to bub) we could easily replace out.
@Beck, okay, I just didn't want to have two complete noobs like we had last game that we played in.
deselby wrote:@coolskins, I am a noob, I have played 1 newbie game. I will try not to damage your sanity too much.
CooLskins said, and I quote, that he "didn't want two complete noobs...", not that he didn't want to play with noobs full stop.
Makes some slightly irrelavent comments and does nothing to further the wagon on a person whom he thinks is certainly scum. Next post:
Zodiark13 wrote:Celeblokis refusal should make him jump up in scumminess, but for some reason it just gives of a town vibe. And honestly, hammering a VI is hardly a massive scumtell.
Unvote
don_johnson wrote:C'est moi? Xvart is my neighbor btw. So im a wee bit shocked by the accusation.
I don't like this one bit. It reads of "I'm getting a little suspicion, so I'm going to claim to try to get into the 'obvtown' chair".
xvart wrote:It is true. We are neighbors. I've been racking my brain for the life of me about our moderator and his opinions on neighbors since we were in a game together a while back and there were two town neighbors butHumble didn't say anything definitive about neighbors and alignments other than alignments are unknown. don did not talk in the neighbor QT at all pre game.
The bolded just makes dons claim worse. He conveniently forgot to mention that he doesn't know his neighbors alignment, which would be an important aspect of a claim, unless you are claiming solely for the sake of trying to make yourself obvtown.
Vote: don_johnson
Total 180. Almost right after he said:
Zodiark13 wrote:Hammering a claimed OSV less than a week since the start of the dayjust because the claimed OSV is a VI= scum
Hammering a claimed OSV less than a week since the start of the dayjust because the claimed OSV is a VI, and the claimed OSV flips OSV = if your not scum, I need to relearn how to scumhunt.
He says:
Zodiark wrote:Celeblokis refusal should make him jump up in scumminess, but for some reason it just gives of a town vibe. And honestly,hammering a VI is hardly a massive scumtell.
So before it was "If you're not scum; I need to relearn how to scumhunt." but now it's "Oh, it isn't a massive scumtell." Oh, and look who you're voting for:
Zodiark13 wrote:
Vote: don_johnson
Only the number one wagon at the moment. And he mainly sheeps his reasons to boot. But wait:
Zodiark13 wrote:So, I'm being suspected for not liking yesterdays hammer, then, finding the non-defense townish, moving onto my next scum read? Right.
bob has said 'Go look at Zodiark', then since then has harassed everyone for their opinion on me and deselby, without even posting a case, apart from the aforementioned "Look at him" and , against deselby, saying "I don't like how deselby is reacting to my CooLskins vote" and "You've outed yourself as scum lolololol". Yet, despite these "cases", you decided to pointlessly wagon Hrezs when the wagon against him hit full steam. Seriously, your last post is the closest you have come to providing any reason for voting, and its not even a reason.
UNVOTE
Vote: bobsnox
We're now voting for the next major wagon. So after saying in no uncertain terms that celi was scum, Zodiark unvotes him and vote for the biggest wagon. Thenin his very next posthe unvotesagainand votes for the new biggest wagon. To paraphrase: "If Zodiark isn't scum, then I need to relearn how to scumhunt."
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Holy shit. That is too wierd. My eyes. Well if he can deal with it so can I...
I still think don is scum. Period. I will however trust Bub's judgment on this... He has been right before.
@xvart, Its not a flip flop. Its bub's view on zodiark. I personally have a null read on him atm.
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Antihero wrote:Celebloki wrote:My name's been popular today.
AS IT SHOULD BE, you chucklehead.
You can't drop an uberscummy hammer like that and then bitch about getting voted after the fact. In fact, I don't think your name has been popular enough today; you should consider yourself lucky.
Celebloki wrote:@bobsnox Don's #335 did stand out to me. It paints Hrezs as scum either way for Zodiark and I agree with his statement. I am weary to to hop over as it would put Hrezs at L-1 and I am not necessarily ready to put him in a spot for a quick-hammer. I think Hrezs needs to claim though and is effectively at L-1.I'm willing to bet that Hrezs and Zodiark are scum buddiesand would be happy to see either lynched today.
Now, this is based on what?
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bobsnox wrote:Should we have both Zodiark and Hrezs claim today?
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@Don, what reactions? What scum hunting? I don't see it.
Antihero wrote:New rule cooldog. You can't critique other people's thoughts if you don't know how to think.
Yes, zodiark is scummy. I'm starting to think Hrez is just a whiny, reactive lurker. That doesn't mean the guy who dropped the "hey, everybody, look at me, I'm SCUM!" hammer isn't scum. All this piling onto Zodiark and Hrez all the sudden (going so far as to say "I think they're scumbuddies" without presenting any connection tells) is really frickin' sketchy to me.
Why does everybody assume that bad posting comes from me . Bub said it... Not me... He is the bad guy.
Cele is not scum people. I'm just going to throw that read down. While is quick hammer was bad but, zodiark, hez, and don are 100% more scummy then cele.
@parama, Answer to my previous posts... that was the referred to dodge. I also agree 100% with the bob read. I still can't understand why he got wagoned.
Also, nice lynch. Hez is one of my top 3.
@my personal activity level, sorry for not posting much. I have had a busy week and I put more priority on my non hydra games. My posting will increase as some of my other games are winding down and require less attention.
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Hrezs wrote:if you want discussion YOU MAKE DISCUSSION
YOU DONT JUST SIT THERE AND WATCH THINGS HAPPEN
pissed off for non mafia related reasons
congrats
you lynched town
Why didn't you make discussion instead of just sitting there and watching things happen?
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@ don,don_johnson wrote:I like how cooldog keeps saying "i think don is scum" but has completely failed to address any of dons recent posts.
Your "reacent posts" still don't scum hunt. Simply put you are active lurking. However, I'm willing to go with bub's judgment here... I also get the herz lynch. Herz was probably my third best scum read. Zodiark is second, don is first. Zodiark or don should get lynched tomorrow.The epic hydra combination that never should have happened.-
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Zodiark13 wrote:bobsnox wrote:You are either terrible town or scum. Your play is beyond scummy regardless of my evidence that suggests you might not be scum. You are still the best suspect based on your atrocious treatment of this game from the very beginning. It wouldn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what I am. Knowing that you'd be my target, I wouldn't be surprised if you guys had someone else send in the NK.
Way to out yourself as a tracker. Also, nice WIFOM attack there. Paint my play as bad all you like, yours has been worse. I mean, having evidence to clear someone, and yet saying that you won't mention what it is just to let a player be lynched? As I said, scum looking for an easy lynch if ever there was.
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You know, I could do a very elaborate catch-up post telling all of you why we should lynch zodiark over bob. But I won't.
Here is the deal guys.
1) Bob is town. End of story. If he is scum I will eat my friggin' pants.
2)Zodiark is scum. If he is town I will eat my pants.
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Holy crap. Somebody please tell me why the hell we're lynching bobs instead of Zodiark. Zodiark virtually tatooed the words "I am scum" to his ass an then mooned the world. Seriously. He got caught in a major contradiction dealing with the mislynch he was currently pushing. He jumped around to all of the major wagons of the day and generated virtually zero positive content. And now we're scrapping the wagon on him for bobs? The whole wagon on bobs is contrived and scummy as hell. We weren't even talking about a bobs lynch until fitz came in and threw all sorts of crap out in a desperate attempt to save his scumbud (also, let me remind you that fitz is part of the same slot as kondi of "random unexplained L-1 vote on a townie" fame.)
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don_johnson wrote:also, regarding zod's "contradiction", i don't find anything wrong with changing one's mind. it happens all the time. if the posts were within a couple hours of each other with no posting in between(were they?) then it may be construed as scum backtrack, but i came out of the gate thinking blok was scum for his hammer but after rethinking it i changed my mind. so whatever. i think the zodiark case is a mountain out of a mole hill.
parama: i don't think there is a scum neighbor. xvart is posting pretty protown.
*Facepalm*
Allow me to redirect you back to the case I made against Zodiark earlier:
CooLskins wrote:Crap!
Okay, to make sure I don't do that again, I'm changing the hydra theme to mobile. That way I'll never be able to mistake accounts again. Anyway, as to the case:
Okay, here's a more in-depth case that will hopefully fullfill Zodiark's needs. After producing virtually no content whatsoever on D-1, Zodiark posts this:
Zodiark13 wrote:Parama wrote:Hrezs, Zodiark, don, xvart, and kondi all need to post more; they all have 5 or less posts, and at least one of those is pregame for each.
-ponders for a moment-
-looks back at the quicklynch the day before-
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Hrezs wrote:Parama wrote:
vote: Hrezs
since there's two more scum, and Hrezs is one of them.
Hows this work again? I came back to read the game and the thread was closed.
Also you just called3people scum, and said2more scum left?
Sounds like a scumslip.
Vote: Parama
Of note: I havent actually read day 1
Can you say epic reaching?
Vote:Celebloki
Hammering a claimed OSV = bad
Hammering a claimed OSV less than a week since the start of the day = terrible
Hammering a claimed OSV less than a week since the start of the day just because the claimed OSV is a VI = scum
Hammering a claimed OSV less than a week since the start of the day just because the claimed OSV is a VI, and the claimed OSV flips OSV = if your not scum, I need to relearn how to scumhunt.
Relavent part is bolded. Uses very strong language to indicate that he thinks celi is scum. Says that if celi isn't scum that he needs to relearn how to scumhunt. Next post:
Zodiark13 wrote:bobsnox wrote:Coolskins said something about not wanting to play with newbies. Deselby claimed to be a newbie. Coolskins said I'm looking forward to playing with you. I would quote but it's hard with the phone. Seems to me like Coolskins and deselby had time to get acquainted in scumchat before the game.
Going back over the game, I feel I should point out the slight misrep here.
CooLskins wrote:Haschel Cedricson wrote:Wait, we've got a hydra in the game? Not too pleased about that.
yes actually. I believe I made it very clear in the queue that this is a hydra. If you are very much apposed to it (after talking to bub) we could easily replace out.
@Beck, okay, I just didn't want to have two complete noobs like we had last game that we played in.
deselby wrote:@coolskins, I am a noob, I have played 1 newbie game. I will try not to damage your sanity too much.
CooLskins said, and I quote, that he "didn't want two complete noobs...", not that he didn't want to play with noobs full stop.
Makes some slightly irrelavent comments and does nothing to further the wagon on a person whom he thinks is certainly scum. Next post:
Zodiark13 wrote:Celeblokis refusal should make him jump up in scumminess, but for some reason it just gives of a town vibe. And honestly, hammering a VI is hardly a massive scumtell.
Unvote
don_johnson wrote:C'est moi? Xvart is my neighbor btw. So im a wee bit shocked by the accusation.
I don't like this one bit. It reads of "I'm getting a little suspicion, so I'm going to claim to try to get into the 'obvtown' chair".
xvart wrote:It is true. We are neighbors. I've been racking my brain for the life of me about our moderator and his opinions on neighbors since we were in a game together a while back and there were two town neighbors butHumble didn't say anything definitive about neighbors and alignments other than alignments are unknown. don did not talk in the neighbor QT at all pre game.
The bolded just makes dons claim worse. He conveniently forgot to mention that he doesn't know his neighbors alignment, which would be an important aspect of a claim, unless you are claiming solely for the sake of trying to make yourself obvtown.
Vote: don_johnson
Total 180. Almost right after he said:
Zodiark13 wrote:Hammering a claimed OSV less than a week since the start of the dayjust because the claimed OSV is a VI= scum
Hammering a claimed OSV less than a week since the start of the dayjust because the claimed OSV is a VI, and the claimed OSV flips OSV = if your not scum, I need to relearn how to scumhunt.
He says:
Zodiark wrote:Celeblokis refusal should make him jump up in scumminess, but for some reason it just gives of a town vibe. And honestly,hammering a VI is hardly a massive scumtell.
So before it was "If you're not scum; I need to relearn how to scumhunt." but now it's "Oh, it isn't a massive scumtell." Oh, and look who you're voting for:
Zodiark13 wrote:
Vote: don_johnson
Only the number one wagon at the moment. And he mainly sheeps his reasons to boot. But wait:
Zodiark13 wrote:So, I'm being suspected for not liking yesterdays hammer, then, finding the non-defense townish, moving onto my next scum read? Right.
bob has said 'Go look at Zodiark', then since then has harassed everyone for their opinion on me and deselby, without even posting a case, apart from the aforementioned "Look at him" and , against deselby, saying "I don't like how deselby is reacting to my CooLskins vote" and "You've outed yourself as scum lolololol". Yet, despite these "cases", you decided to pointlessly wagon Hrezs when the wagon against him hit full steam. Seriously, your last post is the closest you have come to providing any reason for voting, and its not even a reason.
UNVOTE
Vote: bobsnox
We're now voting for the next major wagon. So after saying in no uncertain terms that celi was scum, Zodiark unvotes him and vote for the biggest wagon. Thenin his very next posthe unvotesagainand votes for the new biggest wagon. To paraphrase: "If Zodiark isn't scum, then I need to relearn how to scumhunt."
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Now lets catch-up in the correct account.
don_johnson wrote:Skins/parama/bob would not surprise me.
gain: parama stated bob was clear very early in game. Why? According to bob, parama has no night action, so he could not have investigated him. So why was parama confirming bob?
don_johnson wrote:unvote, vote bobsnox
This isnt fitting together at all. I could see bob/parama bussing zodiark possibly, buy xvart makes good points. Bob has not been protown.
Okay yeah, you are scum. Never made a case on bob, never really contributed to the game.
Parama wrote:So right now we have all the smart people voting Zod, Zod trying to get bobsnox lynched, one of his scumbuddies in the neighbors assisting him, and the other neighbor being stupid. And havingfitz is making a fail and wasting his vote.
When Zodiark flips scum, I'm going to find out which of the neighbors is his buddy. Should be easy enough. Seeing the wagon now, no way in hell both neighbors are town.
Perfect assessment of the situation.
don_johnson wrote:unvote, vote parama
this seems like a safer way to start.the bob parama connection is odd to say the least. imo, tracker is a role given to scum as often as it is a role given to town. the fact that parama seems to be going along with the claim is scummier than bob's play. parama claims to have picked up on the claim earlier. absolutely noone else did(except me, however, to me it read as though parama was claiming power and clearing bob. bob didn't mind, i even tossed this idea around in the neighbor qt and xvart was like "whatcu talkin bout?" it was very subtle. so if bob was clearing parama, why isn't parama the least bit suspicious now when bob is claiming watcher instead of cop? excuse me tracker. so we all know that tracker doesn't "clear" someone of scum alignment, yet bob is acting like his clear of parama is guaranteed. parama is going along with it without question. odd.
now bob claims to have trakced his biggest scumread last night whom he has also stated would not be the player on the scum team to be sent to perform the kill. of course, scum didn't know town had a tracker, right? this reads to me more like scum running fake claim than town being honest. details have not come out clean. thats the thing about fake claims, its hard to get everything to fit. the fact that this seems so jumbled it what makes me suspicious. bobs defense is, "well why would i protect parama?" well, if parama is your scum buddy and you are mafia tracker, then you have every incentive to. if parama is town, he should at least have been suspicious of you at some point. but he wasn't. in fact, he accepted your soft claim without question. maybe he even claims to have known which power role you were claiming, but common sense says, "you clear parama, parama has to assume you are cop, you claim tracker, parama should at least question you." but he doesn't. he just keeps going along with it. i don't know. something about this situation just stinks and bob is now saying "well keep me alive for a couple days, we probably don't have a cop." baiting out town power is not good form my friend.
anyhoo, i'm willing to start with parama to test the theory, in case bob is town. also, parama could be scum buddying town, so his lynch is a much better bet.
Bullshit "case" with nice vailed soft omgus you are catching on sorta thing. Also, not italics.
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[/goodposting]Parama wrote:Bwahahaha, dj's definitely the scum neighbor. "I think bobsnox is scum, and I think Parama is scum by association, so let me lynch the player who I feel is scum by association instead of the one who I feel is scum for actual reasons."
At least the Zodiark wagon's the leading wagon again
This is exactly what I'm thinking by reading his posts. He thinks he can get you lynchoverbob right now, so he is going to push that.
don_johnson wrote:parama, i don't think you're reading correctly. i thought i clearly stated that your actions were scummy independent of bobs alignment, not the other way around. the fact that you claim to have picked up his softclaim(no way in hell you interpreted him as "tracker", so you had to think he was most likely cop), and when he claimed a much less reliable role, you haven't questioned it one bit. thats odd to me.
not sure what to make of des placing someone at L-1 while trying to "wait" for replacements to post. parama claimed vt which means his lynch isn't an uber loss to town, so accelerating the counterwagon out of "fear" doesn't make sense at all. thanks des. way to tie yourself to parama.
bob: independent of your "track", how do you feel about parama and why?
I would sorta agree with this, if you actually quoted one of parama's posts in your case.
don_johnson wrote:also, regarding zod's "contradiction", i don't find anything wrong with changing one's mind. it happens all the time. if the posts were within a couple hours of each other with no posting in between(were they?) then it may be construed as scum backtrack, but i came out of the gate thinking blok was scum for his hammer but after rethinking it i changed my mind. so whatever. i think the zodiark case is a mountain out of a mole hill.
parama: i don't think there is a scum neighbor. xvart is posting pretty protown.
That's it. No more. So not only do you think that an obv townie (bob) is scum. But you also think that someone "associated with him" is scum over that townie. You absolutly never outlined why, and now we defend a flipped scum. Okay.
vote:Don Johnson<- Bub should not change this vote. This vote stays, you hear me?
don_johnson wrote:bob: not trying to "misrep" you. i just disagree with whats going on in general right now. i clearly explained the scum motivation for your actions.ifparama is yourscumbuddythenyour actions make perfect sense.
parama:[wifom="OMG WIFOM"] i'm not scum[/wifom], so if there is a scum neighbor(which you keep implying) then it is xvart. seeing that i don't think xvart is scum, i have to say "i don't think there is a scum neighbor." it has nothing to do with what you think of xvart. the fact that xvart doesn't have the same mistake in his pm that i have in mine is a little odd and i hope for it to be explained in endgame, but imo, it is better to scumhunt in games as opposed to outside of them.
skins: thanks for the repost,the fact is,the case isn't terrible and i'm willing to hammer him., my gut just says hes town whose not good at writing. but whatever. i think we're better off letting imaginality in here before we end the day. i still don't like des putting zod to L-1. parama and bob are in no real danger of being lynched today, so his excuse reads like, well, an excuse. of all the votes on zod, thats the one that looks lilke a bus to me. but whatever.if i am wrong about parama/bob, then zod could very well be scum
bob: please expand on your answer. what is it about parama that has you leaning town besides your night result?
I'm not going to say anything about this post. I'm just not going to. Look at the bolded stuffs. My eyes bleed.
Zodiark13 wrote:Oh well.
Vote:Zodiark13
deselby wrote:On second thoughts imag, maybe get a move on just in case someone does hammer....
This is the best tandem post I have seen in a while. I really loled.
don_johnson wrote:Please compile a case so as I have something to respond to. "points from yesterday" doesnt give me much. Ill post more from home. I still think my neighbor is town, and odds put parama as town, but I cant post a lot from my phone. So yeah.
Try this: Defend every single post you have made about bob, zodiark, and parama. Also defend the bolded contridiction saying that you are now willing to hammer after nothing changed. And then get lynched.
Alert: If dj does not get lynched today I will be very upset. I will cry my wittle eyes out in swadness *sniffle*
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Don, let me tell you this. I could refute every single argument that you have made. I could point to your "case" on bob and show how you never quoted him, and how you never brought. However, I do not have the time to do so. Tomorrow I will.
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Okay Don, now you say that Parama is town because of the of the improbability of bobsnox tracking two different goons who didn't make the kill. That makes sense. However, yesterday you said that you thought parama was scum whether bobsnox was telling the truth or not. But now because bobsnox is telling the truth you believe Parama to be town. Do I get you right?
So that means that you lied.
If your case on Parama was totally based off of individual tells, then why did it change all of a sudden when bobsnox flipped town? And why is it that theonlyreason you give for Parama being town is totally based off of that fact?
Oh, and you were defending scum, whether he was flipped or not at that time is irrelavent because you knew who he was regardless.
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But...
I think we should lynch fitz today. Despite DJ terrible contradiction, fitz takes the scummy pie today for creating a crap case on now-confirmed town to protect a scumbud. Interesting looking back how he said he "didn't really notice Zodiark" when Zodiark was the leading wagon. And yet he noticed Bobs who hadn't really done much up until the case was made against him. And Kondi's wanton L-1 on D-1 still rings fresh in my mind.
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I'm going to get to this first, before I get to don.
xvart wrote:CooLskins, 307 wrote:Basically all zodiark has done is vote for the person that hammered yesterday. And built up a small case on bob for swingy on and off of wagons. He hasn't generated that much content, but he has said anything that is overtly scummy.
CooLskins, 310 wrote:I totally disagree with CooLDoG.
unvote; vote: zodiark
CooLskins, 342 wrote:@xvart, Its not a flip flop. Its bub's view on zodiark. I personally have a null read on him atm.
I think CooLskins is scum. His opinion of Zodiark was soft/vague enough to allow to vote him if it came to it, and when pressure/speculation was put on them about that post, the other head comes back "woah I totally disagree he's obvscum". This flip flop is highly indicative of a scum relationship with their buddy. And the excuse "ooohh we are hydra, it's cool bro" doesn't cut it.
That's a misrepresentation of our stance on zodiark. I personally had zodiark as a null read. Bub on the other hand thought that zodiark was scummy. He made it very clear (to me at least) that our vote should be on zodiark. I trusted his judgment and that was it. If you think that's scummy then go ahead and vote me.
xvart wrote:CooLskins, 536 wrote:Don, let me tell you this. I could refute every single argument that you have made. I could point to your "case" on bob and show how you never quoted him, and how you never brought. However, I do not have the time to do so. Tomorrow I will.
Bub has told me that he has some thoughts. Specifically about having deflecting or something along those lines.
And this is a super scummy post by virtue of trying to get out from under suspicion before it builds any steam.
VOTE: CooLskins
I'm going to try to respond kindly to this next part see as it is completely full of shit and made up. A lesser man would vote your ass for even thinking about pulling this card. So I'm scum because I didn't have enough time to refute don's posts even though I explicitly stated that I would. And I'm non committal even though I have been avidly trying to get don lynched for over 2 days now? This is the definition of bullshit reasons. Stop chainsaw defing your neighbor that you yourself don't know his alignment.
Now lets get on to don's shit posting:
don_johnson_scum wrote:CooLskins wrote:Now lets catch-up in the correct account.
don_johnson wrote:Skins/parama/bob would not surprise me.
gain: parama stated bob was clear very early in game. Why? According to bob, parama has no night action, so he could not have investigated him. So why was parama confirming bob?
don_johnson wrote:unvote, vote bobsnox
This isnt fitting together at all. I could see bob/parama bussing zodiark possibly, buy xvart makes good points. Bob has not been protown.
Okay yeah, you are scum. Never made a case on bob, never really contributed to the game.
no, i didn't make a case on bob. i don't always make a case. nothing scummy about that. i clearly explain here that i am confused by bob's and parama's actions. i am also agreeing with posting by xvart. please see 474, 480, 491.
So you were/are still an avid pusher of bob=scum even though you never bothered to make a case on him? And you being confused (apparently independent of his scumminess) by his play apparently warrants a vote. Sounds nice.
don wrote:skins wrote:Parama wrote:So right now we have all the smart people voting Zod, Zod trying to get bobsnox lynched, one of his scumbuddies in the neighbors assisting him, and the other neighbor being stupid. And havingfitz is making a fail and wasting his vote.
When Zodiark flips scum, I'm going to find out which of the neighbors is his buddy. Should be easy enough. Seeing the wagon now,no way in hell both neighbors are town.
Perfect assessment of the situation.
bolded is the start of "one neighbormustbe scum fallacy." zod was not doing much of anything. xvart had the lead in the case against bob. given the odd relationship between parama and bob, i didn't see zod's position as scummy.
What case on bob? Link me I really want to see this. I was more refering to the part above where he was wifom setup speculating. Also, read zod's posts. He wasn't doing nothing.
don, again wrote:skins wrote:don_johnson wrote:unvote, vote parama
this seems like a safer way to start.the bob parama connection is odd to say the least. imo, tracker is a role given to scum as often as it is a role given to town. the fact that parama seems to be going along with the claim is scummier than bob's play. parama claims to have picked up on the claim earlier. absolutely noone else did(except me, however, to me it read as though parama was claiming power and clearing bob. bob didn't mind, i even tossed this idea around in the neighbor qt and xvart was like "whatcu talkin bout?" it was very subtle. so if bob was clearing parama, why isn't parama the least bit suspicious now when bob is claiming watcher instead of cop? excuse me tracker. so we all know that tracker doesn't "clear" someone of scum alignment, yet bob is acting like his clear of parama is guaranteed. parama is going along with it without question. odd.
now bob claims to have trakced his biggest scumread last night whom he has also stated would not be the player on the scum team to be sent to perform the kill. of course, scum didn't know town had a tracker, right? this reads to me more like scum running fake claim than town being honest. details have not come out clean. thats the thing about fake claims, its hard to get everything to fit. the fact that this seems so jumbled it what makes me suspicious. bobs defense is, "well why would i protect parama?" well, if parama is your scum buddy and you are mafia tracker, then you have every incentive to. if parama is town, he should at least have been suspicious of you at some point. but he wasn't. in fact, he accepted your soft claim without question. maybe he even claims to have known which power role you were claiming, but common sense says, "you clear parama, parama has to assume you are cop, you claim tracker, parama should at least question you." but he doesn't. he just keeps going along with it. i don't know. something about this situation just stinks and bob is now saying "well keep me alive for a couple days, we probably don't have a cop." baiting out town power is not good form my friend.
anyhoo, i'm willing to start with parama to test the theory, in case bob is town. also, parama could be scum buddying town, so his lynch is a much better bet.
Bullshit "case" with nice vailed soft omgus you are catching on sorta thing. Also, not italics.
ok. so earlier you say "you didn't even post a case". now, you call it "bullshit"? how is it bullshit" what about this post is "bullshit"? imo, this post is a very coherent post which explains my suspicions in a clear and concise manner. i'm calling bob/parama out on their sketchy play and pointing out that bob's "we prolly don't have a cop" statement is seriously anti-town. so yeah. just quoting something and saying "bullshit" is poor posting. explain yourself. parama was not voting me and his suspicion of me has nothing to do with this post. "omgus" is you flinging shit against me hoping it will stick. i have already stated i think parama is town and i'll explain why a bit later. hint: its not because of his shit ass posting.
Keep in mind that when I compile these catch-up posts I read from the last place that I posted and then work forward. So yeah I did make a contradiction, but top earlier then bottom... Now to more meaty stuff in this section of your post... [/quote]
Your case is bullshit because it never quotes any of the two (parama and bob) you are talking about. Without a quote we have no reference to what we are talking about, you could (and in some cases probably are) misrepresenting them at some point. We can't even be sure that they said the things that you say they are saying. It also doesn't help that the whole top paragraph is speculative/wifom which contributes little to nothing to your apparent bob suspicion (ohh, you mean the guy who flipped town tracker? Oh yeah him.).
The bottom part is still speculation, and not really that logial at all. As a tracker you track your scummiest read to see if they kill. However, if that player is in fact scum and know that he is taking a lot of heat then one of his buddies will take the kill instead. In ine of my last scum games we knew that there was a tracker/watcher combo, we debated to the end of the night deadline who would submit the kill. Odly enough the tracker actually tracked one of my scum buddies. While bob is speculating about scum actions he is a tracker. Its almost his job to make an educated guess at who will submit the kill so that he can track that person to it.
don wrote:skins wrote:[goodposting="parama"]
[/goodposting]Parama wrote:Bwahahaha, dj's definitely the scum neighbor. "I think bobsnox is scum, and I think Parama is scum by association, so let me lynch the player who I feel is scum by association instead of the one who I feel is scum for actual reasons."
At least the Zodiark wagon's the leading wagon again
This is exactly what I'm thinking by reading his posts. He thinks he can get you lynchoverbob right now, so he is going to push that.
uh no. try reading:
don_johnson wrote:parama, i don't think you're reading correctly. i thought i clearly stated that your actions were scummy independent of bobs alignment, not the other way around. the fact that you claim to have picked up his softclaim(no way in hell you interpreted him as "tracker", so you had to think he was most likely cop), and when he claimed a much less reliable role, you haven't questioned it one bit. thats odd to me.
in fact(snipped for brevity)you even say:
skins wrote:I would sorta agree with this, if you actually quoted one of parama's posts in your case.
what kind of things do you want me to quote? sorry, but giant quote walls are not something i try to do on a regular basis. if there is something you would like me to find and show you, tell me what that is and i will do it.
Where people are making scummy posts? I mean its only the most basic thing you could ever do? Also you are retroactively changing your opinion of something in the second (?) post that you quoted. And what you say is not always what you actually think. I can say that Parama is playing the best town game ever. Its what I said I think, but is it true? Hell no. That's kinda the point at looking at your posts to find your true intention/motivation/stance. And not quoting people leads to misrepresentation, in factual statements, and it shows a profound laziness (which shows you not caring about who gets lynched, unless that person happens to be zodiark or one of your other scum buds).
[qutoe]skins wrote:That's it. No more. So not only do you think that an obv townie (bob) is scum. But you also think that someone "associated with him" is scum over that townie. You absolutly never outlined why, and now we defend a flipped scum. Okay.
zod hadn't flipped yet. ands again, you seem to be misinterpreting my suspicions. i clearly stated why i felt parama was scummy over bob. i also clearly stated why i thought bob was scummy(even if i simply agreed with xvarts posting and didn't post my own thoughts as eloquently.)[/quote]
Misunderstands point. Should I explain it to you? Lets.
It just so happens that your most powerful scum read (bob) was considered by the rest of the town to be very townie. He just happened to flip town. Your second most powerful scum read is totally based off of bob being scum (you will say otherwise, but it is). Then apparently one of your most powerful town read happened to get lynched (read: a majority of people thought he was scum). And you defended him. Understand now?
skins wrote:don_johnson wrote:bob: not trying to "misrep" you. i just disagree with whats going on in general right now. i clearly explained the scum motivation for your actions.ifparama is yourscumbuddythenyour actions make perfect sense.
parama:[wifom="OMG WIFOM"] i'm not scum[/wifom], so if there is a scum neighbor(which you keep implying) then it is xvart. seeing that i don't think xvart is scum, i have to say "i don't think there is a scum neighbor." it has nothing to do with what you think of xvart. the fact that xvart doesn't have the same mistake in his pm that i have in mine is a little odd and i hope for it to be explained in endgame, but imo, it is better to scumhunt in games as opposed to outside of them.
skins: thanks for the repost,the fact is,the case isn't terrible and i'm willing to hammer him., my gut just says hes town whose not good at writing. but whatever. i think we're better off letting imaginality in here before we end the day. i still don't like des putting zod to L-1. parama and bob are in no real danger of being lynched today, so his excuse reads like, well, an excuse. of all the votes on zod, thats the one that looks lilke a bus to me. but whatever.if i am wrong about parama/bob, then zod could very well be scum
bob: please expand on your answer. what is it about parama that has you leaning town besides your night result?
I'm not going to say anything about this post. I'm just not going to. Look at the bolded stuffs. My eyes bleed.
first bolded part. yes, bob's actions make perfect sense if parama is his scumbuddy. you don't agree with that? scumtracker clearing his buddy? the two of them acting like they can clear each other pre-claim? sprry, but it read to me like they were both clearing each other and leaving the "role claim" up in the air. once bob claimed tracker, parama doesn't bat an eye. no "well that doesn't completely clear me, then", which is what a townie should admit. no, "oh, i thought you were cop." nothing.
Nope. You see if you happened to be in the majority of people that think bob was town (revelation: he was!!!!!!) then you don't go wifom speculating about who is the scum tracker and the like. And I just love how you outline exactly why his actions are scummy and associate him .
second bolded, no wifom, that was in response to parama accusing me of putting words in his mouth. i was explaining why i used the wording i did. you see, anyone can bold portions of a post and then say, "just read the bolded portions," and make a case. what you need to do, and what good townies do, is read the entire post. what you are doing is taking my statements out of context. if you read the rest of that paragraph you see exactly why i make the statement "i am not scum." that statement is only wifom when used in the context of "hey i made a case against you, defend yourself." and then you say "i'm not scum." thats wifom. using my knowledge of my alignment to explain why i said something, or why i think someone is misinterpreting something is not wifom.
ohhh gudy. I didn't think you go to the second bolded stuff. What response? I don't see no response? Mind showing us what that response was?
Ohh right you were the guy who didn't "do quote thingys". At part two of part two... It only takes a little bit of interpretation to see why "the case isn't terrible and i'm willing to hammer him." Fits with your previous posts saying that you think zodiark is not the best lynch, and this, "if i am wrong about parama/bob, then zod could very well be scum" go together.
last one :?: I wonder if that will actually work... wrote:skins wrote:Try this: Defend every single post you have made about bob, zodiark, and parama.Also defend the bolded contridiction saying that you are now willing to hammer after nothing changed.And then get lynched.
and that brings me to the third bolded part. for that i bolded a portion of your post. you claim "nothing changed. except:
1) you reposted your case, which i read and stated was not bad.
2)
zodiark was not defending himself.dj wrote:. zodiark seems to be getting the noose and doing very little to stop his own hanging, so lets get some imaginality and then proceed."
so yeah, nothing changed.[/sarcasm]
Ohh, so your rock hard null read and your rock hard scum read go out the window and then you start contemplating hammering. Even though multiple times you have said zodiark=town/null/notscum and bob¶ma are 100% fucking percent = scum.
Doesn't cut it. More don votes.
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Due to catching up, not reading all the way through I found this quote (call it buddying if you want, but I really don't care):
Parama wrote:It's not that I think there's one cum in the neighborhood due to that fallacy.
it's that I think there' one scum in the neighborhood because I have a strong scumread in the neighborhood <.<
Though neither neighbor being on the Zod wagon yesterday helps my theory anyways :/
This explains perfectly my opinion of the neighbor situation. I personally don't think xvart is scum, and I think don is scum. Thus there is one scum in the neighborhood.
@don 541, why the unvote. explain.
CooLskins wrote:Okay Don, now you say that Parama is town because of the of the improbability of bobsnox tracking two different goons who didn't make the kill. That makes sense. However, yesterday you said that you thought parama was scum whether bobsnox was telling the truth or not. But now because bobsnox is telling the truth you believe Parama to be town. Do I get you right?
So that means that you lied.
If your case on Parama was totally based off of individual tells, then why did it change all of a sudden when bobsnox flipped town? And why is it that theonlyreason you give for Parama being town is totally based off of that fact?
Oh, and you were defending scum, whether he was flipped or not at that time is irrelavent because you knew who he was regardless.
-Bub
High five hydra buddy! I think you articulated what I was trying to say about don (especially in the bolded part)well.
CooLskins wrote:But...
I think we should lynch fitz today. Despite DJ terrible contradiction, fitz takes the scummy pie today for creating a crap case on now-confirmed town to protect a scumbud. Interesting looking back how he said he "didn't really notice Zodiark" when Zodiark was the leading wagon. And yet he noticed Bobs who hadn't really done much up until the case was made against him. And Kondi's wanton L-1 on D-1 still rings fresh in my mind.
Seriously, why hasn't this slot been lynch yet?
You were doing so well until... Actually this is a good time for me to tell you guys that I agree with bub on the above. I just think that don is much more scummy and should be lynched. Fitz is my #2.
xvart wrote:don_johnson, 546 wrote:xvart wrote:
CooLskins, 536 wrote:Don, let me tell you this. I could refute every single argument that you have made. I could point to your "case" on bob and show how you never quoted him, and how you never brought. However, I do not have the time to do so. Tomorrow I will.
Bub has told me that he has some thoughts. Specifically about having deflecting or something along those lines.
And this is a super scummy post by virtue of trying to get out from under suspicion before it builds any steam.
can you explain this one a bit more? i'm not really following what you're saying.
Basically it boils down to the question "why post believe you me that I can tear apart your case and show you how faulty it is but I don't have time to do so right now, so you'll have to wait until tomorrow. But just believe me that it is terrible." There is no town motivation to saying anything like that (and if there is I can't think of it) so the only thing is trying to squash it before it goes anywhere with the subtlety I can do this and I will (later).
Referring to my bolded emphasis I assume you are talking about me since fitz is voting me, but how am I confirmed town now?CooLskins, 548 wrote:I think we should lynch fitz today. Despite DJ terrible contradiction, fitz takes the scummy pie today forcreating a crap case on now-confirmed townto protect a scumbud. Interesting looking back how he said he "didn't really notice Zodiark" when Zodiark was the leading wagon. And yet he noticed Bobs who hadn't really done much up until the case was made against him. And Kondi's wanton L-1 on D-1 still rings fresh in my mind.
Try reading where I said maybe tomorrow. And below you should be good enough to satisfy you.
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xvart wrote:
It's not a misrepresentation at all. It's a accurate account of what actually happened. I absolutely cannot stand it when hydra heads post contradictory reads in game because doing so under any circumstances is scummy; however, I did understand that it is an unfortunate byproduct of being a schizophrenic hydra. The point that I am making is your contradictory reads is uniquely scum motivated, especially now that Zodiark has flipped scum.CooLskins, 557 wrote:That's a misrepresentation of our stance on zodiark. I personally had zodiark as a null read. Bub on the other hand thought that zodiark was scummy. He made it very clear (to me at least) that our vote should be on zodiark. I trusted his judgment and that was it. If you think that's scummy then go ahead and vote me.
One head came in and said "Basically all zodiark has done is vote for the person that hammered yesterday. And built up a small case on bob for swingy on and off of wagons. He hasn't generated that much content, but he has said anything that is overtly scummy", which is a pretty middle of the road thing to say, leaving the door open for saying "well I suppose those things I said earlier could be scummy so I'll go ahead and vote my buddy now." At the time of this post Zodiark had 2 votes.
Again, you seem to not understand English here. I personally (CooLDoG) did not find zodiark scummy. Bub on the other hand (meaning that he differs in opinion fyi) thought that zodiark was scummy and was worth a lynch. Sense I didn't have a strong town read on him I went along with it.
Read next fucking time.
We did talk about it. I still had a null read on him. Yet bub was very strongly opinionated about zodiark being scum for the contradiction that he made before. I trusted his opinion and went ahead with the vote. You should really wait for bub to repond to this.Then, in the very next post, bobnox calls your slot scum for that post, and two posts later the other head comes in and says "woah I totally disagree and Zodiark is obvscum." That head unilaterally changes your stance on Zodiark without even suggesting that "I am in disagreement, I need to talk about this with my other head because he's not seeing what I see" like I would think a town hydra would. The 180 turn around is inherently scum motivated and the lack of interest in convincing the other head looks like a cover up for such a soft read on a buddy.
CooLskins, 557 wrote:If you think that's scummy then go ahead and vote me.
Thanks for your permission but I am already voting you.
Your welcome
CooLskins, 557 wrote:I'm going to try to respond kindly to this next part see as it is completely full of shit and made up. A lesser man would vote your ass for even thinking about pulling this card.1So I'm scum because I didn't have enough time to refute don's posts even though I explicitly stated that I would.2And I'm non committal even though I have been avidly trying to get don lynched for over 2 days now?3This is the definition of bullshit reasons. Stop chainsaw defing your neighbor that you yourself don't know his alignment.4
Not only are you missing my point but you are inaccurately assigning motives to my commentary.
1This sentence is extremely strange. If anyone else would have voted me because of what I said does that make what I said :
- Scummy;
- Not scummy but people might inadvertently think it is scummy; or,
- Something else?
Really, though, why aren't you voting me if everyone else would be because saying you're a bigger person because you aren't voting for me doesn't really say much about you being town.
2Your refutation of don's points came almost 36 hours after you lambasted don. What was the point of coming in to the thread andonlysaying "your case is terrible and I'll destroy every part of it later. I'm just too busy now"? I can see town saying "I'll respond to those points when I have more time" or anything else, but the level of emotion in your post indicates that there is some other motivation.
3This is debatable, but is entirely beside the point. While you are pretty adamant about getting don lynched you do waffle enough when you posted about the pm error stuff. Again, I don't see the relevance of your relationship with don to your scummy behavior.
4Explain to me the "chainsaw defense" of my neighbor and how me not knowing his alignment has anything to do with your comment. I'm not defending don and the person you made your comment to has no bearing on my commentary on your posting. My concerns were unique to what you said and not to whom you said it.
Finally, I don't really want this to be misconstrued as the crux of the argument in favor of you being scum. It is really only a sidepoint andthe basis of you being scum is your connection/contradiction/backpedaling under pressure with regard to flipped scum Zodiark.
Plus, I still want to know how I am confirmed town.
1)Hyperbole do you speak it? It was really just a rage joke. I swear officer I was not smoking that pot while driving, I swear.
2) So because I have a life, and because I do not have infinte amount of time, I must be scum. Perfect lets lynch don for not posting all of d1 and d2. Ohh wait, you are defending him... So we can't
3)I do not comprehend this pm stuff. I personally don't like to speculate if someone is telling to truth in pm communication while scum unting. I personally think that don is not telling the truth, but that does not belong in my assessment of don. But I'm not sure what you are trying to say here, Could you re-word it?
4)Attacking someones attacker out of the blue. Also you are defending don's actions... However, I think you are town. Fitz/don are the last two scum. Don dies today period.
final:
Ask bub this question. All that I can say was that at the time of zodiark's lynch I had a null to slightly scummy (as some of his posts under pressure made me lean towards scum). I do know that bub had a very very strong read on zodiark. That is why I went along with the vote.
Plus: You are not confirmed town. Its just hat I personally think that you are a townie. I think you have a scum neighbor though...
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