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And why I say no lynch is anti town, now I don't have figures for the entire site, in newbie games when NL happens, mafia wins > 80% of the time
no lynch provides no useable vote comparison causeShowCall me Rob, Hop, or joystick but I am better known in mafia world as the "Fall guy"
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orly?TonyMontana wrote:Vote: HopFor making up statistics
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Furclow, if I saw data that shows mafia benefits nl more than town, why would town be neutral?
Granted it's a small data set but do you really want to test it?
Lynching somebody, even if the flip is town gives HARD vote count to analyze
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1. Doesn't matter you voted itFurcolow wrote:am i still voting for no lynch?
did i expect no lynch to pass?
do you read?
i expect 3 answers
2. How would I know, I can't read minds
3. Yes I read but you directed a comment about NL to me so that was me responding, I'm on my iPhone so I didnt quote the entire postShowCall me Rob, Hop, or joystick but I am better known in mafia world as the "Fall guy"
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Typically scum can't day talk so this point is invalidFurcolow wrote:ok, and you completely dodged the real question
would my partners let me do that?
I doubt pre-game you would say. "hey guys I'm gonna suggest a No lynch"
so for now my vote stays but it's still rvs IMO so I may change it.ShowCall me Rob, Hop, or joystick but I am better known in mafia world as the "Fall guy"
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I am not sold on furc as mafia, if anything we got some discussion going and that is good. I am of to bed so I will read up on the discussion that took place.ShowCall me Rob, Hop, or joystick but I am better known in mafia world as the "Fall guy"
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@ Doom - cause I just think he isn't a very good player, I could see his NL suggestion being town motivated, I used to be a fan of NLs until recently, than seeing that data just sealed it
NL teaches us nothing at all
the vote on furc seems to just be an easy out, plus I need to catch up on what has been posted to see if furc has done anything extremely scummy, claiming early isn't mafia motivated either, just vi motivatedShowCall me Rob, Hop, or joystick but I am better known in mafia world as the "Fall guy"
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do you fail at reading? I ask cause you say I am quick to push votes however I never push votes. I voted furclow for voting no lynch, I provided my reasoning as why NL is not a town move.Nocmen wrote:Whoa, this exploded when I missed checking up on it last night.
First of all, HOMJ seems quick to push votes early against Fur for the NL. However, that wagon seems to go way too early, with not much reason why. Emp's and Doombunny's votes seem like they could be good scum wagon votes, but it's impossible to tell because Fur seems a bit too eager to defend himself. And the claim. He's too afraid of getting lynched so he's willing to claim at L-3. I want to hear more about his claim, and why he's so eager to defend himself at L-3. I wouldn't vote him just for going for the NL, esepcially if it seemed early in RVS.
I later unvoted cause I have read up on furc's games a little and I see how he plays and lynching him to me seems to be more of a policy lynch, people are voting him just because they latched on to one thing he did.
of course he isn't helping himself by claiming early and asking about mafia fake claims and such, but I really don't think he would be that obvious if he were mafia (of course I could be wrong)
You also say that his wagon seems to go away too early but actually nobody has removed them from his wagon but me, and when I unvoted, somebody else joined it so that is a misrepresentation of facts.
and if you are town and somebody suggested something anti-town like a no lynch, why would you not vote them just for that? NL is anti town, it removes the need to scum hunt and anyone pushing for a no lynch should be voted.
and before anyone questions why I just made that comment and am not currently voting for furc, I unvoted because he indicated he wasn't serious about the NL and also his lynch just seems to convenient, about as easy as a no lynch, and it would eliminate the need for real scum hunting.
We are just a few days in on the game,let's scum hunt and talk about other people before rushing to lynch. So for right now just based on the misrep of facts
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Umm yeah acting like town is not being town, town doesn't have to act like they are
and nocman was the one saying his wagon was falling apart to soon , hence why I said rushing to lynchShowCall me Rob, Hop, or joystick but I am better known in mafia world as the "Fall guy"
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Nocmen wrote:Whoa, this exploded when I missed checking up on it last night.
First of all, HOMJ seems quick to push votes early against Fur for the NL. However, that wagon seems to go way too early, with not much reason why.Emp's and Doombunny's votes seem like they could be good scum wagon votes, but it's impossible to tell because Fur seems a bit too eager to defend himself. And the claim. He's too afraid of getting lynched so he's willing to claim at L-3. I want to hear more about his claim, and why he's so eager to defend himself at L-3. I wouldn't vote him just for going for the NL, esepcially if it seemed early in RVS.ShowCall me Rob, Hop, or joystick but I am better known in mafia world as the "Fall guy"
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yes my position is scum wants to ACT like town, town should not be concerned how they are acting cause they know they are town.LordChronos wrote:
So your position is that scum acts like town, and town doesn't? I don't see anywhere where Nocmen says his wagon was falling apart to soon, could you please quote that for me? Also, someone worrying a wagon falling apart does not equal rushing to a lynch.HopOnMyJoystick wrote:Umm yeah acting like town is not being town, town doesn't have to act like they are
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1. maybe I misread his statement wrongLordChronos wrote:I read that quote as "the wagon got going really fast, but there wasn't much reasoning behind it". This interpretation is supported by the rest of the post.
We all know that town is concerned with scum hunting and scum wants to look town, but why does that make it a scum tell for someone to seem like they are town? I agree that going out of your way to try to get townie points, like Fur seems to have done, is scummy, but Nocmen hasn't done that. If it walks like a duck, looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, odds are it's a duck. Occam's Razor applies here.HOMJ wrote:yes my position is scum wants to ACT like town, town should not be concerned how they are acting cause they know they are town.
2. I think that it was more of the fact that he hasn't posted all game and than came with 2 posts, like I said i just got a feeling, it wasn't much but it is early in the game.
I do agree that furc is scummy but I have seen him in other games be scummy and is VT. I spent most week on my phone so I will re-read tomorrow all the way through and see what I can come up with.
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I unvoted him before he claimed, he claimed while nor being close to a lynch, right now out of everyone that is the most scummy behavior I have detected so yes I would go back to him because that has cemented enough to be scum, however you purposely trying to twist everything I say and do into a negative way is being noted for future referenceShowCall me Rob, Hop, or joystick but I am better known in mafia world as the "Fall guy"
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I said that is the most scummiest thing done so far in the game, do i think mafia would be so stupid to be obvious,Doombunny9 wrote:
You don't seem as much of an issue with Fur's claim here:HOMJ wrote:I unvoted him before he claimed, he claimed while nor being close to a lynch, right now out of everyone that is the most scummy behavior I have detected so yes I would go back to him because that has cemented enough to be scum, however you purposely trying to twist everything I say and do into a negative way is being noted for future reference
First you say that mafia wouldn't be obvious about this and have doubts about him and now its the most scummy thing you've seen and he's now voteworthy for it. WUT? I can't imagine this being something you've just changed your mind about so quickly either.HOMJ wrote:of course he isn't helping himself by claiming early and asking about mafia fake claims and such, but I really don't think he would be that obvious if he were mafia
FoS: HOMJno i don't
Have i seen mafia be obvious like that in the past,yes I have, cause sometimes mafia can be dumb
If I have nothing else to go on than yeah i will lynch furclow but right now I haven't even been looking deep into other people's posts and I think that is why I am so confused right now.ShowCall me Rob, Hop, or joystick but I am better known in mafia world as the "Fall guy"
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Reading back here are my notes on everyone
Zang needs to be prodded, replaced, or just lynched.
TonyMontana needs to be more involved in the conversation of the game instead of just making useless posts, he has had only one serious game related post and that was his vote
sorasgoof - also needs to start participating, none of his posts have really been useful and just seems like words with no content
Shattered - even before he announced he was V/LA I thought he probabl was cause he hasn't posted anything of value
Nocman - has only one of his 3 posts are game related and that one posts seems awfully political, I now need to look if emp and bunny responded to his accusation that their votes on furc looked like scum votes. I think if someone is accusing them of scum they should at the very least comment on it.
LordChronos - he seems to lurk into the backround and comes out of nowhere once he finds somebody else to attack, I say that if furc is scum, I would give Lord my look as being his scum buddy. He is trying to direct the attention off of furc and direct it towards me on a very weak case.
GhostWriter - yet another inactive person that needs prodded or replaced
foilist13 - needs to be replaced or prodded, 1st post he claims his role (if he is telling the truth) which is very odd
Empking - has completely avoided any type of scum hunting
Doombunny - At first it looked like he was serious about scum hunting but ruins all credibility when he FOS's inactives. instead of FOS'ing them he shoudl request they get prodded. he does FOS me and I adimit I probably deserve to be FOS'd because I changed my mind, if changing my mind is scummy than yeah FOS me, but I personally don't think changing my mind is scummy.
furclow - now here is something interesting, remember what I said about Lord Chronos? Furc's first REAL vote was for.... Lord Chronos and the rest of his posts are defense posts and attempts to show he is pro-town
The problem with me is I have seen so many VIs get lynched on day one being town and it is just something people on this site like to do. Furclow does look like he is trying hard to seem he is pro town which makes him scummy but I have also read some of his games briefly and he is just a really poor player. After reading through I am pretty sure Andrew and Lord are scum buddies, but I think if furc flipps town, Lord is still a good option being scum.
You guys want to FOS me for flip flopping go ahead, but you if you have an open mind furclow is A. scum trying to act town or B. VI trying to save himself and he is town.
he is very confusing and because of that and because his flip will help me know more about Lord Chronos
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well it is hard to get a positive read on anyone when they don't post but right now, nope I don't any positive reads on anyone.Empking wrote:Hop: Do you have a positive read on anyone? Because it looks very like that you're keeping your options open?ShowCall me Rob, Hop, or joystick but I am better known in mafia world as the "Fall guy"
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Holy wall of text batman, I'll read up on this when not on my phone
not voting for lc cause I think Its more if furc is maf than lc is, not sure what lc is if furc flipps townShowCall me Rob, Hop, or joystick but I am better known in mafia world as the "Fall guy"
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1. Did not really defend himLordChronos wrote:@Empking
Then you should actually vote HOMJ, because he defended Fur with WIFOM, made a straw man argument to justify his vote, backtracked on his view of Fur when he was attacked on it, and made a ultra paranoid PBPA.
2. Straw man is new to me but doubt it is anti town
3. Change of opinion =/= back tracking
4. Pushing me now after I linked you to furc and not commenting on my link of you to is classic deflection
5. Not sure what pbpa is but I'm assuming you mean giving my reads on people in the game, had nothing to do with paranoia.
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my read on you is pretty damn spot on and I proved it when I got down to furc and saw he voted you. this was classic mafia voting mafia imo.LordChronos wrote:1.
That sure sounds like defending Furc to me. Especially the bold.HOMJ wrote:I later unvoted cause I have read up on furc's games a little and I see how he plays and lynching him to me seems to be more of a policy lynch, people are voting him just because they latched on to one thing he did.
of course he isn't helping himself by claiming early and asking about mafia fake claims and such, butI really don't think he would be that obvious if he were mafia(of course I could be wrong)
2. Straw man is very scummy.
3. But Furc did nothing to change your opinion. The only thing that happened between your first opinion and your second was you coming under pressure.
4. I pushed you before you tried to link me to Furc, so I am not deflecting. I am pursuing my case against you. And your attack against me comes off as being completely OMGUS.
5. PBPA is player-by-player analysis. I wasn't saying that it was paranoid to make the PBPA, I meant your opinions you gave were paranoid. See your read of me for and example.
as for wifom defense, I guess you have a point but it was just coincidental.
Basically this is me on furc
1. I voted him cause NL was scummy, I didn't think his NL was RVS voting, but now hindsight I guess it could be.
2. This site has made me more cautious with lynching people like furc, because he belongs to the same group of people like Andrew, Shotty, David Parker, and some would say I belong in that group (I disagree with myself cause I have never and will never fake claim a power role if I am vanilla townie, and the others in that group including furc have) that being said these guys are almost always lynched day 1 because they are just crappy players and come off scummy almost every game.That was the reason I unvoted him, I just don't want to be part of a furc wagon so early in the game
3. looking through the game mostly due to inactivity, there really hasn't been anyone else standing out as scum. I am cautious of these people who have been inactive and than come back in and vote for somebody (even if it is for me, if they voted for someone else I would be cautious) The reason why I find these people odd because in my mind they can be
a. townies who have not really followed the game and based on their limited catching up think they have seen something scummy
b. mafia like a shark, somebody has found a new person slightly scummy so they come in and attack and throw in a vote
I completely understand people finding my actions slightly scummy but I can assure you I am not scum.ShowCall me Rob, Hop, or joystick but I am better known in mafia world as the "Fall guy"
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I missed your questions, will look for them nowDoombunny9 wrote:@HOMJ- I asked you two questions in my last post. Feel like answering?
Is everyone going to do this when they have enough pressure on them? XD It didn't work for Fur and its not going to work for youHOMJ wrote:I completely understand people finding my actions slightly scummy but I can assure you I am not scum.ShowCall me Rob, Hop, or joystick but I am better known in mafia world as the "Fall guy"
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1. I can't remember when exactly I changed my mind
2. FOS'ing inactives serves no purpose, because they are inactive and can't tell they are being FOS'dShowCall me Rob, Hop, or joystick but I am better known in mafia world as the "Fall guy"
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oh and this 2nd part, you realize that people who are pro-town will do this also, are you always going to assume anyone who says that is scum?Doombunny9 wrote:@HOMJ- I asked you two questions in my last post. Feel like answering?
Is everyone going to do this when they have enough pressure on them? XD It didn't work for Fur and its not going to work for youHOMJ wrote:I completely understand people finding my actions slightly scummy but I can assure you I am not scum.ShowCall me Rob, Hop, or joystick but I am better known in mafia world as the "Fall guy"
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I think I began changing my mind when he name claimed, such an obscure name seems more like a safe name claim to me and not his actual nameShowCall me Rob, Hop, or joystick but I am better known in mafia world as the "Fall guy"
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Ok so looks like I missed a post by noc and he says something very wrong.
@noc - you say I vote furc and almost immediately unvote him
do you always make up information or is this your first time?
I voted furc on page 1, for the NL
I unvoted him on page 3 and 40 posts later, how is that almost immediately?
Also not a huge deal cause I understan weekends and such but technically you lied again saying you have said that your access on the weekend is limited, you never say any such thing.
Also my vote on you was just to get you more active, people will tend to come and play if they have a vote on them.ShowCall me Rob, Hop, or joystick but I am better known in mafia world as the "Fall guy"
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@LC
I went back and read and your straw man accusation failed as I never twisted anything noc said
I did misread one aspect of his post, I thought when he said" the wagon went too fast" he meant "the wagon went away too fast"
but he still lied when he said I pushed for his lynch, cause I never pushed for his lynch
right now I have caught noc in 2 pretty big lies and one minor one
for those at home the lies
1. I pushed furc's lynch - never pushed anything
2. I voted and quickly unvoted - 12 hours and 40 posts is not pushing
3. Said he posted his activity is limited, he never does - minor lie to possibly excuse his lurking but the Internet issue can be real so that is why I am mostly ignoring this oneShowCall me Rob, Hop, or joystick but I am better known in mafia world as the "Fall guy"
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@did you read where noc said rushing to lynch, not me?
When I voted him he said I was pushing furc's lynch which was misrepresenting facts
the other part of it was left purposefully vague cause I have been told on 2 differen games on site that you don't say it is a pressure vote or it won't be effective, so I followed that advice here. Clearly it worked cause he did become activeShowCall me Rob, Hop, or joystick but I am better known in mafia world as the "Fall guy"
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Also you still don't get it
if you are town, you don't have to act like it cause you are town
acting town is pretending to be town, which would mean he isn't town
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Ok I see where I say rushing to lynch and that came from the part where I read his post wrong, when I thought he was saying furc's wagon was falling apart too quickly, which I have already said earlier I read it wrong. Also
that can really be directed at everyone not just noc cause we don't need to rush to a lynch
straw man, still don't think you have the defiition right cause I don't think I did, if I did it was unintentional
also town AND scum use wifom in this game, seen it hundreds of time so it really isn't a clear cut scum tell
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No a good town player doesn't have to act like anything
his whole thing with me was just his 2nd post and started off with a lie (saying I pushed furc's lynch)ShowCall me Rob, Hop, or joystick but I am better known in mafia world as the "Fall guy"
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Where was my defense of him?LordChronos wrote:You still haven't answered my question. And I never said you were defending anyone right now, though you were defending Fur earlier.ShowCall me Rob, Hop, or joystick but I am better known in mafia world as the "Fall guy"
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1. Since I'm on my phone most of the time I disable sig's
2. Voting someone is not pushing a lynch, pushing a lynch is trying to convince others to vote him which I haven't. I still don't think you are clear noc but at the time when I had time to re-read from my pc, furc looks better and like I said earlier, furc lynch will let me know what to think of LC, although now I'm left wondering what kind of relationship you and him have cause he jumped on me close to when I voted you, which is a very telling sign.
3. Yes now I want to lynch furc, which is why I am voting him, reading back and getting to loom at the wiki pages this name is too odd to be a regular charachter. Also I had missed he was asking about safe name claims, why if he was town would he care to ask, especially if I'm not mistaken it says so on the front page they do.
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I was vague when talking about the gut feelingNocmen wrote:To update what I was trying to say, I don't see where you were vague in your vote for me. You gave reasons. But now you're saying they don't matter and it was a pressure vote in disguise? What do you think of those reasons now, do they still stay?
On top of that, a strawman attack is basically that, taking words and misinterpreting them into your favor. That seems exactly what you did.
Between that, and comparing your vote on furc compared to what you say about him, I'm happy with keeping my vote on you.
I don't think I twisted anyone's words and if I did, I already said it was unintentional
I still FOS you cause of the reasons I said, I was never gonna push a lynch for you until I had something more concreteShowCall me Rob, Hop, or joystick but I am better known in mafia world as the "Fall guy"
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Oh and as stated twice already the accused straw man was when I said rush to lynch cause I misread noc's statement, I have explained 2 or 3 times how I wrongly interpreted itShowCall me Rob, Hop, or joystick but I am better known in mafia world as the "Fall guy"
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Sorry to interupt but it just dawned on me
furc, someone asked you a question about your role to go with your name, you plan on answering him?ShowCall me Rob, Hop, or joystick but I am better known in mafia world as the "Fall guy"
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You mean when I use common sense, common sense is defending scum?
Sometimes when scum hunting you have to use wifom.
I ask myself all the time, if I was scum would I do that? That is how I scum hunt, not sure what other method I can use to catch scum than try to use scum mentality and town mentality when trying to determine motiveShowCall me Rob, Hop, or joystick but I am better known in mafia world as the "Fall guy"
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You realized noc has lied twice already, you follow liars normally?Empking wrote:Unvote
Vote: Hop
The two of them have been the scummiest to me for a long time but since they're balanced I feel that Noc's reasoning pushed Hop ahead of Furc.ShowCall me Rob, Hop, or joystick but I am better known in mafia world as the "Fall guy"
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ok thanks.
ok the WIFOM argument is depending on how it is used and I actually don't consider what I said WIFOM, especially when comparing it to what he has said.
his example there - Do you think my partners would let me vote no lynch? Don't you believe I would be trying to ask their advice?
my accused wifom - of course he isn't helping himself by claiming early and asking about mafia fake claims and such, but I really don't think he would be that obvious if he were mafia (of course I could be wrong)
I can see how my statement can be considered WIFOM and even defending but it really was me using the information available to me at the time asking myself would I be acting like him as mafia, and I came to the conclusion of no. Now everyone ask yourself, if you were mafia would you be acting like furc?
where furc's statement is almost the epitome of WIFOM, now using my own logic, if I don't think I would use that statement at all even if I was mafia, but I sure as hell would not use that if I were town.
At this point in the game I know my tactics may be not what you guys are used to but my example of WIFOM defense is not even close to the level of scummyness that furclow used.ShowCall me Rob, Hop, or joystick but I am better known in mafia world as the "Fall guy"
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The case on furc is way more solid than the case on me, furc's wifom was HORRIBLE, where as mine realy isn't wifom but more common sense reasoning
mentioning scum buddies is a huge red flag, I really can't beleive it didn't hit me when I first saw it.
Not sure what I can say at this point to take votes off me but I assure you I am 100% town.ShowCall me Rob, Hop, or joystick but I am better known in mafia world as the "Fall guy"
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So you say your version of wifom isn't scummy? I disagree
You feel the need to name claim but not role claim? If you are gonna clai
you have to claim everything, else we think you are using your safe claim. I don't care if you role claim, I still thinkyou are the best lynch
You are OMGUS voting me? You are voting me cause I'm voting you, that's omgus
Also why ignor bunny's request?ShowCall me Rob, Hop, or joystick but I am better known in mafia world as the "Fall guy"
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it's scummy cause you are trying to distance yourself from mafia, implying you are not mafia. It's day 1 and there was no need to even go to that extreme. You could have easily just denied being scummy and than change your vote by saying you didn't realize NL was anti-townFurcolow wrote:no, i asked you to say HOW it is scummy
explain
you strawman SO MUCH.
Fine voting me is self preservation but you hop on my wagon (no pun intended) without making a case on me, you just jump on the largest wagon. Make a case before voting don't just do it cause the largest wagon is conveinent.
I also am pro-town so you voting me is just as bad as my vote on you (using your logic)
the difference is I feel no pressure to claim, I still think I can convince people voting me is wrong. You clearly felt you had to claim at L-3 when nobody even asked you to, you through it out and asked if we wanted a claim
How is that town mentality ?
How I'd voting without making a case, town mentality?ShowCall me Rob, Hop, or joystick but I am better known in mafia world as the "Fall guy"
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1. That isn't straw man, learn the definitionFurcolow wrote:you strawman by not answering questions, or only answering some of them
you have used WIFOM worse than me
you flip flopped from attacking me to defending me to attacking me
you have been flailing for about 3 pages now
the case on me is honestly "durrr he voted no lynch in RVS durr" "OMG HE USED WIFOM AS DEFENSE"
wifom is null in my eyes. sorry people like EMPKING disagree.
2. Your wifom is far worse than mine
3. My vote on you was during rvs also, I unvoted when I thought you were being typical furc, than you did more stuff to make me think you were scum
4. I don't think I am flailing, I'm defending myself while trying to catch scum. If I am flailing it's flailing as townShowCall me Rob, Hop, or joystick but I am better known in mafia world as the "Fall guy"
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You realize you are basically using the same logic, saying you are a mislynch. How does anyone know you are town othere than you say soFurcolow wrote:furthermore, you saying you're "pro-town" doesn't mean I know you're pro-town, therefore i don't know to not vote you; i don't know it's anti-town to vote you
your logic is flawed
you are our lynch
I just used your own logic so if mine is flawed so is yoursShowCall me Rob, Hop, or joystick but I am better known in mafia world as the "Fall guy"
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How can you say it's fact ?Furcolow wrote:my wifom is fact
scum wouldnt let me do that
therefore it is "better" than yours. i would consider it NULL compared to yours, though, not "better". wifom is null all around. yours is just less so than normal.
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Zang, I finally got time to re-read that post where you voted for me and I have questions. - http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 1#p2612941
if I missed anything please let me know.
1. you say NL is not anti-town, tell me how a no lynch can ever benefit from the town when vote analysis is thrown out of the window and it gives mafia a free kill
2. why are you defending his vote for a NL, whether or not he expected it or not, no lynch suggestion should never be made, it is anti-town. even if it is rvs but it didn't even seem like an rvs vote to me
3. you also say I was pushing andrew's wagon but I never actually pushed for his wagon, why would you say that? - if you feel doom and TM's votes on hm are weak, why are you not directing your attention to him also instead of just at me?
4. yes he does suggest no lynch when he votes for it and why would you not vote for somebody who suggests something anti-town? you said there is a difference between anti-town and scummy and you are right. Anti-town is not town, scummy is bad but scummy =/= anti-town. If someone sugested something anti-town I definitely would go after them for it. why would you not? and how is not going after somebody suggesting anti-town helping town?
5. I skipped the part where you asked which games I read, I will have to go back and find those if you really want me to, sorry I didn't do that earlier. Also Iunvoted him because I thought based on his meta he was furc being furc, but the more I re-read and read other games I found that not to be true, the clincher was the claim too early, obscure name, and failure to throw in the role. if you are going to claim you go all or nothing.
6. yes I realize I unvoted him when he asked, but he had not done it yet. asking if he can and actually doing it without someone asking him to claim are 2 different things. Claim should be done at L-1 and typically when someone asks for it, now because of the other site I play, if I get to L-1 I will claim without being asked because I have been hammered more times than I can count without given a chance to claim and sadly I have hammered people without allowing them to claim and been town when I did it.
7. how do you seem so sure foilist wasn't serious
8. I thought mod would pick up on my comment and just do it, if I was a mod I would not wait til somebody bolded the request.
9. I actually think you are wrong, I think it is more if furc is scum than LC is possibly scum with him.
10 . I never understood why you voted me without a reason, you ask me a bunch of questions but you never actually say ANYTHING about me being scummy and what exactly is scummy about it. also if you ask people questions don't you think they deserve proper time to respond before voting them? is that proper town mentality to ask a bunch of questions and vote them in the same post? if so than this site truely is strange.ShowCall me Rob, Hop, or joystick but I am better known in mafia world as the "Fall guy"
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Lord said -If I had the power to lynch HOMJ and Fur
he said AND not OR
meaning if he could we would both be lynched, thsts why I asked if he thinks we both are scum
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