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In post 34, Aj The Epic wrote:Posted the gif. It's a well known town tell to post a gif of a dancing... four legged scribble.
In post 35, Luna Fox wrote:In post 33, BananaCucho wrote:In post 31, Luna Fox wrote:I currently have slight townleans on both Banana and choof, more so Banana than choof.
Wat
What have I done that is alignment indicative at all lol
Your vote on me, seemed like a reaction to my voteless entrance, so i figured you'd want to engage with me.
In post 36, TheWorst wrote:In post 29, FA_Q2 wrote:In post 24, Aj The Epic wrote:Oh wait, you actually confirmed.
yup, try reading next time
Only dropped out one time (and by your post I guess that was a game you were in) from circumstances beyond my control.
Wont have an issue this game
VOTE: BananaCucho
That is a scummy GIF!
Hold up, if that's a scummy GIF, then shouldn't choof, who actually owns the gif as an avatar, be scummier?
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In post 85, Aj The Epic wrote:No and I've not said that or implied that anywhere. As I said, I generally just wait for RVS to pass.
Newsflash, RVS is over.
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In post 226, talah wrote:Fair enough. Thanks for the thoughtful response.
MS crapped out on me for over an hour so I'll have to come back tomorrow.
Same here, except change the time to be tonight after the kids go to bed.ShowTown 21-21-1
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In post 94, Aj The Epic wrote:And I've been engaging in discussion. Your point?
I didn't see you as engaging the first time thru, so I reread ur ISO up to post 94 and I still didn't see you engaging. Which of your posts up to that do you think you were engaging in?
In post 104, TheWorst wrote:I am Innocentsays RVS is over, but then votes on what is essentially an RVS wagon.
What is your definition of an RVS wagon?
In post 129, choof wrote:In post 93, I Am Innocent wrote:In post 85, Aj The Epic wrote:No and I've not said that or implied that anywhere. As I said, I generally just wait for RVS to pass.
Newsflash, RVS is over.
vote AJ
this was probably where scum voted on AJ
VOTE: I Am Innocent
Why are you so sure AJ is town up to this vote?
Great point. Also interesting that choof kicks up these scumhunting efforts after his wagon jumps to 3, and AJ's drops to 4. Someone getting nervous?
In post 136, choof wrote:Luna Fox wrote:In post 131, choof wrote:In post 116, Luna Fox wrote:Also i don't think im liking choof anymore. For someone accusing Banana of being self conscious he's being self conscious himself.
this wasn't an accusation, this was a post made to make it seem like you're keeping up when you're just sheeping off the current wagon
pedit: would you like me to vote for you?
I want you to be honest.
If you think im scum then vote me.
Because i don't understand why someone who thinks im scum wouldn't be voting me.
imo innocent is a better wagon candidate atm because he's actively lurking and you're not
I thought the reason to vote me was because of my place on the AJ wagon? This is the first you mention of me actively lurking.
In post 153, Aj The Epic wrote:So what you're essentially saying is in his next post you'll be town reading him. If his post on IaI was all it took to swing him from a scum read to a town read, your read on him is flimsier than papyrus.
So is he your strongest scum read, since you are voting for him? Because I see more waffling than actual sincere belief that he's scum.
How strong are your reads usually by Post 153? I'm seeing alot of mudslinging here on someone whose play has felt very genuine.
In post 168, choof wrote:because giving up when you're under pressure is definitely the town thing to do
I don't get the feeling that the one vote Banana has at this point is really causing him too much pressure. But way to try to continue to try to add to your smear campaign of him.
In post 171, choof wrote:I'm going to start taking a tally of every time banana implies that someone misrepresented him
I believe we're up to three, possibly four posts so far
Yet still no vote on banana? What are you waiting for, another player or two to agree with you?
lol
In post 181, Kyubey The Kid wrote:In post 179, BananaCucho wrote:How am I stalling? I'm not going to respond to every childish post you make. But by all means, please continue to post them until you've got it out of your system, and then prove to me that you're not scum if you're town.
Or don't and I'll keep my vote where it is.
Threatening people with unrealistic demands? That's totally town guys! Right? Right...?
Versus attacking the same player over and over (Banana) but voting two other players he barely mentions (me and Luna)?
(See later he says this is for reaction testing and that he now has a town read on Banana. Will be curious to see if the attacks continue.)
Choof, why do you spend so many pages reaction testing with one player (Banana) but casts votes pretty quickly with little to none of this reaction testing on two other players (me and Luna)?
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In post 205, TheWorst wrote:In post 184, catboi wrote:
104 from TheWorst is AWFUL. Entirely overcautious, manages to say virtually nothing. Justification of the vote is absolutely terrible, entirely self-evident that Innocent felt he had valid reasons for making the vote regardless of anyone else's vote (and my vote sure as hell isn't "random"). Lousy, forced reasoning.
Thanks man, I workedfor that post, glad you appreciated it. I felt as though Innocent's posts didn't show me much. His post and vote there seemed weak, with a little "hardGotcha!" line saying that RVS is over when in context, it was an RVS wagon that he leapt on. That's what got me.
And if it wasn't random as you say, it certainly seemed random from my perspective (I'm sure others share it) as there was no interaction with AJ, no warning, no reasoning, just telling others to join the wagon. Was it for a reaction or something?
The rest of my post was just my thoughts/feelings on the game so far, but nothing too special. Lazy? Sure, I'll accept that. AWFUL? C'mon man, chill.
Why not ask me why I voted rather than just jump on that post? Interesting what you called an RVS wagon included 3 of the 5 people whose SECOND vote was on AJ. Do you think people usually unvote their original RVS vote only to cast a second one? No, there was nothing random about that wagon.
AJ was not engaging. If he was town, I would have expected him to comment on some of the 5 votes (or 4 before mine was cast) that sprung on him out of nowhere. Or discuss some thoughts on the banana/choof back and forth. There were definitely things to discuss, but I didn't see any of them. I saw someone waiting it out saying tell me when I'm at L-1, and I was more than happy to add some pressure to get him to start playing. Still surprised he hasn't analyzed his own wagon, that is the first thing I'd do if I was town and 5 of the other 13 players voted me within 4 pages of the game start.
In post 207, Luna Fox wrote:In post 206, Aj The Epic wrote:I hear it's factually proven if you call everyone in the thread town, you will be correct the majority of the time.
It's also factually proven that you have about an 84% chance to survive Russian roulette.
It's also factually proven that scum tend to do IIoA more often than town.
Non game related, but I'd like to see where this is factually proven. As someone who has been called out as scum a number of times (when I have actually been town) for too much IIoA, I'd love to see this, tho my guess is it doesn't exist.
In post 211, Aj The Epic wrote:In post 93, I Am Innocent wrote:In post 85, Aj The Epic wrote:No and I've not said that or implied that anywhere. As I said, I generally just wait for RVS to pass.
Newsflash, RVS is over.
vote AJ
The 'implicit thought-line'... Oh... OH? OH *** IT'S SO IMPLIED IT'S BURNING ME. IT'S ALMOST AS IF YOU SHOULD TAKE THE VOTE AT FACE VALUE! MIGHT HE HAVE REALLY MEANT THAT RVS.... was over?
I mean, you can't even point to another post. There's 4 of them, since I counted, and none of them have any relevance here. So catboi, the real pressing question is: Are you a mind reader?
To which the answer is no and I'd like to know how you're stating with so much faith that you understand this hidden implied meaning IAI is sticking behind this deep post. It's almost as if you took his post, made an apple an orange then called it a mango to attack wicked with. IaI's post was exactly as wicked said:He said RVS was over and voted for an RVS wagon.Like I could put that in direct quotes for wicked and you can reference that to the post above. And so he's justifying his vote for no reason? No, says I! You simply have to use theimplict thought-lineto find the true meaning of Wicked's vote.
And really, if it is such a misrepresentation to for me to say that you say IaI's post's contain valid reasons, why did you say that exact phrase?
So this being said, what say you, catboi?
My question to TheWorst applies to you, what do you define an RVS wagon to be? Does a wagon of 5 people with 3 casting their second vote that way constitute random to you?
In post 223, talah wrote:Hello Vedith btw.
I'm guessing you're town on what could be completely incorrect game meta which is that the person you replaced did not pick up their role PM.
Ergo no full scumteam to chat pre-game, ergo unfair on the scumteam.
How do you feel about that?
I've never seen this before, but the fact ur bringing up such a crazy notion to give an empty slot to date a town read does point favorably to you.
In post 229, Vedith wrote:Right, I went through the start of the game, then I just skipped the pointless debate of Choof and BananaCucho.
BananaCucho always looks scummy - He does on this game too. I'm going with town.
Choof seems to be trying to look too scummy for scum for me. Something I'm going to look into.
I have no idea what Luna is doing, seems to be all over the place but kind of null.
I like Talah, I feel 223 was a test from a town.
AJ comes across as scum hunting more than others... Comes across... More town lean than not though.
Performer - 74 What is with the voting for your play style comment?
I only had a while to catch up during my break, so a continued version will be looked at tonight/morning.
Zakk, who's scum?!
So people who look too scummy to be scum are probably town, but AJ who comes across as scumhunting to you (aka looking townie I presume) is lean town?
In post 232, Aj The Epic wrote:Now, what I like about RVS is when I replace in, I can look at wagons and try to figure out motives in the light of other posts down the line. However, don't expect me to be good at it. I almost got lynched my first game on site claiming I wouldn't drop a vote because I thought RVS was stupid. Pirate_Mollie and Mastin2 had other opinions about it. Since it's random voting, I generally do what I know: just drop a vote and talk for a while.
Can I get a link to this game, I'm not sure I've ever seen Pirate Mollie cast an RVS vote myself.
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Yeah he has been a lot more active that's for sure. His whole case on Luna is crap tho, about town hunting vs scumhunting. Why would scum want to box themselves in with so many town reads? Scum hunting can be faked well enough by most that listing a bunch of town reads isn't necessary.
I wonder if TheWorst and AJ are confusing an RVS wagon with maybe something more like a "not very serious" or "for pressure only" wagon? Which the latter I'd agree with. I don't know, seems like an easy wagon for scum to jump on if AJ is indeed town. So stand by what I said earlier, why not analyze it if ur AJ and ur town?
I believe the easiest way for scum to play, esp D1, is to lurk. The squeaky wheel gets the oil, so to avoid the votes, stay low under the radar. So part of me advocates it, but a bigger part of me is hesitant with this target based on who is on the wagon so far. Too many cats I just don't trust.ShowTown 21-21-1
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I hear ya, but first I need him (and TheWorst) to clarify their definition of a RVS wagon.ShowTown 21-21-1
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I am staring at my computer saying windows is not responding after spending an hour catching up.
Short version on my phone:
Choof has not answered my 2 questions from an earlier post.
AJ did not answer 2 of my questions either.
Vedith did not answer one.
Why would scum performer fake a vig claim with no pressure on him? There is no scum motivation for it, unlike the people itching to get a claim out of him.
Not in that post but want to say right now: choof is probably my top suspect. His voting habits as he started to get pressure were very bad, and now that pressure has abated, he has withdrawn to the background.
Also want to look into this performer wagon, it stinks pretty bad.
unvote AJ
Vote choof
Ps going to leave my computer up all night to see if I can save that post, if it does I'll submit for the other crap I had in there that I can't remember.ShowTown 21-21-1
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Yeah that wall post I made last night is officially dead.
In post 548, Aj The Epic wrote:You asked me a rhetorical question and what I thought RVS was. I answered the latter.
In post 327, I Am Innocent wrote:In post 94, Aj The Epic wrote:And I've been engaging in discussion. Your point?
I didn't see you as engaging the first time thru, so I reread ur ISO up to post 94 and I still didn't see you engaging. Which of your posts up to that do you think you were engaging in?
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In post 153, Aj The Epic wrote:So what you're essentially saying is in his next post you'll be town reading him. If his post on IaI was all it took to swing him from a scum read to a town read, your read on him is flimsier than papyrus.
So is he your strongest scum read, since you are voting for him? Because I see more waffling than actual sincere belief that he's scum.
How strong are your reads usually by Post 153? I'm seeing alot of mudslinging here on someone whose play has felt very genuine.
Okay I can see how this second one sounds rhetorical. Not exactly sure an answer to that is going to help me anyway now.
What about the first question, I'd still like an answer to that. Also, what is your read on Choof?ShowTown 21-21-1
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In post 417, choof wrote:checking in, weekend has been surprisingly busy
wont be able to start making posts again until tomorrow evening
Has come and gone. Please answer these in your next post.
In post 327, I Am Innocent wrote:In post 129, choof wrote:In post 93, I Am Innocent wrote:In post 85, Aj The Epic wrote:No and I've not said that or implied that anywhere. As I said, I generally just wait for RVS to pass.
Newsflash, RVS is over.
vote AJ
this was probably where scum voted on AJ
VOTE: I Am Innocent
Why are you so sure AJ is town up to this vote?
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Choof, why do you spend so many pages reaction testing with one player (Banana) but casts votes pretty quickly with little to none of this reaction testing on two other players (me and Luna)?
Also, who are you scum reading at this point?ShowTown 21-21-1
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Did you ever think the paranoid about being killed at night is the real crumb?ShowTown 21-21-1
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That's all I want to say on that other than it's time this wagon diesShowTown 21-21-1
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In post 680, Vedith wrote:I already said that I want him to claim. So what's different between me wanting him to claim and you wanting it?
In post 679, Aj The Epic wrote:for IaI and banana:
Okay, so what do you think of the people on the wagon then? Bad aim overall, scum helping it?
I stick by what I said about wanting a claim and also thinking Faq/verdith are taking advantage of this.
Specific to IaI, who are you looking to tie up then?
On that wagon vedith jumps out at me most.
Off that wagon I still feel very strongly about choof.
There are some roles that lose a lot of effectiveness when claimed. If performer is a vig, I'd have no problem with that claim. But I suspect he is something different that should be left unsaid for now.ShowTown 21-21-1
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In post 690, Luna Fox wrote:In post 681, I Am Innocent wrote:Off that wagon I still feel very strongly about choof.
Considering how you're paying very much attention to a possible soft claim by Performer what do you think of choof's hard confirmable role claim.
I thought the timing and fact he claimed at all were both off. Unlike what I suspect about performer, there is no reason a town friendly neighbor should claim, unless he's up for lynch. Maybe dropping a hint D2 about their target in case said target is scum and tries to NK them N2. But yeah nothing needs be done or said D1.
With that said it is confirmable so Ill wait and see D2 what happens there.
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Talah, I was skeptical of performer too. When the veegee wagon got going, I said I didn't trust the shady cats on that wagon so I didn't join. While not explicitly saying it then, he was one of those shady cats.
But when that soft claim came, performer was under no pressure. I saw no scum motivation for it, but a huge town one esp if he has the role I think he does. If that role is outted, it will lose its effectiveness. So no I don't want a claim and I want this wagon to die. If I'm wrong, well then there are still other scum to try to find/lynch. If I'm right well performer very well could help get town a win.
I continue to feel like I'm saying too much on this. My question to you is, who else is scum to you? Alternative question cause I don't want confbias against performer in there: who is scum assuming I'm right and performer is town?ShowTown 21-21-1
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Interesting I hadn't seen him use the word paranoid in his first three posts. I was assuming the crumb was in his 7th post.
If he is a PGO, he should hard claim now and I might reverse my thinking on that wagon.ShowTown 21-21-1
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I thought he crumbed 1 role, not PGO not vig, something else a bit more valuable and one that would require some hints being left D1ShowTown 21-21-1
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If he is a PGO or vig, yes he should probably claim at this point. If not, I think he should remain silent in case I'm right.ShowTown 21-21-1
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PGO is just as dangerous to town as it is to mafia. I've always seen it claimed (or fake claimed) D1.
Vig needs no soft claim. I've probably seen more fake vig claims than any other role on this site.
He made a comment that caught my eye that lines up with a role I'm familiar with that makes me believe he has that role. If you think I'm blowing smoke than vote me. If performer is alive D2 and doesn't have anything to contribute, I'll out what I thought that role was. If he has something to contribute than I am probably right.ShowTown 21-21-1
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Actually this is his seventh post. Why the first post on this site is labeled #0 is beyond me.In post 418, Performer wrote:Because of Vee's 298 admission and his hilarious signature to further defend himself, I designedoneset of questions for him.
It starts with one
One thing, I don't know why
It doesn’t even matter how hard you try
Keep that in mind, I designed this rhyme
To explain in due time
All I know
Time is a valuable thing
Watch it fly by as the pendulum swings
Watch it count down to the end of the day
The clock ticks life away
(linkin park – in the end)
Consider my questions a response to your 387 and 407...
Vee, what do you think about that song? Especially about the part, "it doesn't even matter how hard you try?"
Briefly tell me about your school. Do you like the school you go to?
What is the last thing you ate for lunch at your school?
If you weren't in school...what would you be doing? And tell me, why?
What is the weather like in your city at the moment?
If I were to ask your friends, would they say you're an honest person?
Have you ever lied to someone? If so, what was it about what?
How do you feel about lying in general?
Has your lurker activity been brought up past games, like it was brought up by catboi in this game? Low-hanging fruit, he mentioned. I'd imagine ripe fruit at that level can be picked, washed, bitten into, and would taste delicious. But I'd prefer a professional do the follow-up process because I wouldn't want to encounter nasty bugs that will kill me after eating a poorly-washed low-hanging fruit.
Back to FM.
If your lurker activity has been brought up before, what do people normally say about that?
Are they usually right or wrong? Why?
Would you say you're a better mafia or town player? Why?
And...if I were to shoot you on night 1
what do you think about that?
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302 : talah, it's because I was afraid they were messing with me like mafia would. I was future projecting that they were going to kill me first...that's what mafia does, they kill people...so I was afraid...
Two people who misquoted within a moment of each other, I wanted to see what they were up to...but like I said earlier, maybe I'm just paranoid...so they are off my radar at the moment...
There's a 2nd player I recognize...with his entrance, I'm afraid he'll vote me for my play style...which I don't want him to...
I don't want to die today...2nd player, what do you have to say for yourself...be honest, you can't escape the truth at night...
talah I'm curious...do you know who I speak of...
these 2 mystery players...
Aj's 313 has a point. I've heard about and personally witnessed lurkers who ruin the game for town. This ties back to the above questions toward Vee. I think it will be important for me and others, to determine if Vee is town or scum, the sooner the better. Then we don't have to wait until he gets on at night (limited time for him) or wait another 6 days for another time he can post, if he can't post on weeknights.
335 - catboi .... I don't mean to be obnoxious...I don't think I would ever use that as a playstyle...one person who comes to mind as obnoxious is RadiantCowBells
338 - Zak, what do you say to Ved's question...
Are you normally a brief poster?..why or why not?...
I'm curious about this as well..
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In post 428, Performer wrote:In post 426, Luna Fox wrote:1) I can't tell if you're being serious or trolling or what.
2) It seems like your attention is like bits and pieces everywhere.
Luna
I'm not trolling, St Constantine does that but not me...please don't worry about that...
if's any consolation
just think of me as the awkward guy at work
I'm just asking Vee some questions...like if I was Vig and shot him
what would he think
I don't do heavy personal insults. Please don't be concerned...
It's interesting that talah thought I'm trying to call attention to myself
but you verbalize that my attention is in bits and pieces
but really, I am afraid to die...
it's the same concern that I imagine
everyone else has
Actually this is the post that ultimately swayed me.ShowTown 21-21-1
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Fine, read that lost post of performers and tell me it doesn't line up with hider, k? Hider needs to crumb their target in case they die, but can't crumb it if scum knows their a hider cause it can take out 2 players in 1 shot at night!
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If performer died during the night u could see he targeted veegee, and we could autolynch him d2!!!!!!!!!!!!ShowTown 21-21-1
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Hider can only die at night 2 ways, if they hide behind scum or the person they hide behind is a NK target. Veegee isn't likely to be the latter so he would be the perfect person to hide behind. Which makes the hider an investigative roleShowTown 21-21-1
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In post 755, talah wrote:So Performer was defo crumbing hider and he was making sure Veegee was town so he could avoid being nightkilled.
Hider's main focus is to be investigative. If your investigating a scummy or lurking player (either real scum or mislynch bait), you probably aren't going to hide behind the NK target.
1) So if morning comes, and that player is still alive and the flipped hider is dead, guess what, free scum lynch.
2) If both are alive, Hider can either crumb that town result and continue or fully out it depending on the situation.
If we have a hider, that is probably our only investigative role with 14 players, esp if choof was being honest about being confirmed town.ShowTown 21-21-1
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Modified for what I saw:
In post 428, Performer wrote:I'm just asking Vee some questions...like if I was Vig and shot him
what would he think
but really, I am afraid to die...ShowTown 21-21-1
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Which brought me back to this. I thought he trying to lay out his target in multiple posts, and his crumb was the "i'm afraid to die"ShowTown 21-21-1
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In post 762, talah wrote:In post 758, I Am Innocent wrote:If we have a hider, that is probably our only investigative role with 14 players, esp if choof was being honest about being confirmed town.
It's not a normal role. It can't be in the game. He's not a hider. It's a stupid role.
Go to the mod for clarification if you're concerned. I posted the wiki link for normal roles.
And Hider is not mentioned at all in the Normal game description.
I've also been a weak doc, same thing. okay maybe little stronger.
PS - Note PGO is also not on that list. Does that change your thinking at all?ShowTown 21-21-1
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In post 765, talah wrote:In post 763, I Am Innocent wrote:
Which brought me back to this. I thought he trying to lay out his target in multiple posts, and his crumb was the "i'm afraid to die"
This is going down such esoteric paths that I'm surprised you're bothering.
Who's your other scumbuddy?
Do you have two?
Nope not scum. But feel to vote for me to find out.ShowTown 21-21-1
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Read my posts again talah. I saw no reason for scum performer to fake a soft claim. He was under no pressure. It wasn't needed.
Read my posts again talah. As soon as he said I'm afraid to die dot dot dot, I changed my belief on that slot.
Read my posts again talah. I have been both a hider and weak doc, and the hardest part of those roles is crumbing ur target in case u die, so town can catch the scum who killed u.
You can read and reread all you want...you'll find no contradiction cause none exists. Those were and are my beliefs. Ur close mindedness about town having different thoughts on this matter is starting to give me concern tho.ShowTown 21-21-1
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In post 793, talah wrote:In post 792, Performer wrote:This is how I'm seeing IaI's posts coming across as townie to me:
329 & 331 - addressed Aj not analyzing his wagon, addressed Worst jumping on the post rather than seeking incentive
569 - follow-up with a question, asked him for read on another player
570 - followed up with choof and asked for reads list
677 - he said it was looking like a mislynch, compared to Aj who has been rushing for blood and not wanting to be reasoned with (535)
It's kind of easy, I'll hope you'll appreciate from my perspective, to note down things a person does and attach lukewarm town-behaviour to them.
For example "Followed up with a question, asked him for read on another player" is not exactly something I'd be reading as town just for the fact it occurred.
Says the guy who considered me a non-lynch candidate after my first 2 catchup posts...
In post 328, talah wrote:Not likely lynching today:
Luna
Aj
catboi
choof
Banana
zakk
IaI
Kyubey
VeeGee
Likely lynching today:
Performer
Worst
FAQ
Vedith
...in addition to VeeGee if he doesn't pull his pants up, as I don't mind zakk's "i haven't posted much" acknowledgement.
I'm enjoying your catch-up IaI btw.
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In post 791, talah wrote:In post 786, zakk wrote:Eh that last post by performer sounds town I don't wanna lynch him
Walls of text aren't inherently town. You need to look at what the player is saying and think about why they are saying it.
Then make a determination of whether you believe it, or if you think they're trying to be deceptive to get town lynched and save themselves and their buddies from being lynched.
Can you give a brief rundown of what you found town about post 785 please?
How about starting with that vote. Does that seem like something that would benefit scum Performer to do, try to start a wagon on a consensus non-lynchable player this close to the deadline while he is the top wagon by far?ShowTown 21-21-1
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Not sure why there is such a resistance to a vedith wagon. Of the four above with more than 1 vote, I lean towards faq2ShowTown 21-21-1
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I received nothing last night either.
What are the chances scum fake claimed a role I've never played with, only to have a town player with that role?
Luna you thinking bus driver or something? Wouldn't that affect targets (AJ) instead of who it came from tho (TheWorst vs sky bird)***
I'm going to wait to hear from those two before I cast a vote.
*** Titus you mentioned D1 that you can have up to 2 non normal roles in a normal game. I was not familiar with that rule, where can I verify that?mod feel free to clarify if you are aware of this rule tooShowTown 21-21-1
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Here, and admitting I was purposely laying low/not casting a vote.
Inner struggle here, esp after last game when I claimed D2 and was then killed N2. I think I'm going to out some information I have about N1, but first I need everyone to claim if they have any role that would stop a kill. Bulletproof, Doctor, Jailkeeper, if a roleblocker wants to out themselves, have at it.
With a claimed 2 shot BP Doc, I don't expect anybody to disagree with this request.
Once everybody has answered this, I will stop being so mysterious.
PS - For the record, I have no ability that would have stopped any night kill.ShowTown 21-21-1
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If everyone proceeds, I'll out my role and night information, which I believe will lead us to scum.
I really do need specifics on those, but if people want to start with yes or no, I'm fine to start there.ShowTown 21-21-1
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Has everybody answered?
The worst & sky bird = FN, so no
Performer = VT so no
FA = yes
Luna I believe said no
Talah no
Me no
AJ 2 shot BP
Vedith no
Titus = not N1 so no
Who does that still leave? Sal veegee and cbd?ShowTown 21-21-1
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FA I will have a follow up question for u once the other 3 have chimed in.ShowTown 21-21-1
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Okay guess it can't hurt to ask the following to FA while we wait on the other 2:
FA, who did you target N1 with your ability. If BP is your ability and don't want to give it away, pick a random person not named IAI. If not BP, I need the exact target (don't need to clarify what the ability is tho)ShowTown 21-21-1
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Well FAQ's claim lines up with mine.
X-shot Vig (at this time I don't think it benefits anyone but scum to reveal the X)
I shot Talah last night. I'm sure that is probably going to irk some people in here, but the way I saw it, he was my top scum read that was going to be near impossible to be lynched. When he didn't die, and a claimed BP Doc said he did not target him, I figured one (or both) of him and AJ were scum, and thatif nobody claimed to have targeted Talah and he didn't claim BP, he was likely confirmed scum.
Sorry FAQ, if you really are town aligned, you are down a shot. May want to consider giving me a list of names that you would BG'd tonight so I stay out of that area.
Obviously my thoughts have changed:
1) Anyone that thinks town has 2 FN's, a 2 shot BP Doc, a 2 shot BP BG, and a vig is just insane. There is too much coordination that could go on starting D2 that would have even a 5 man scum team trembling.
2) FAQ is almost certainly only scum if Talah is, so no reason FAQ should be getting any more votes until we see Talah's flip.
3) AJ's claim with 1 vote still feels the most forced/fake of any here to date. I could see scum AJ panicking after nobody died and a vote coming his way. I still see little motivation for town AJ to do it.
4) I think the FNs should be given at least one more night before we even consider lynching them. Of the two, the first seems more shady to me, as Choof twice reacted badly when pressure started coming his way (first throwing a bunch of votes around, and later the claim with minimal pressure). Then again, the second did involve AJ and the chances of scum fake claiming an odd role like that which just happen to really be in the game is also minimal.
To me it comes back to the 5 town claims. There is no way town is that powered, and of the claims, the shadiest is still AJ.
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PS - Also another reason why I never thought Performer was claiming vig...ShowTown 21-21-1
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PPS - I just came from a game with a 2 shot vig and mafia doctor, so that also crossed my mind as AJ claimed.ShowTown 21-21-1
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In post 2014, Aj The Epic wrote:I wanted to put it in the open. Riddle me this: Why do I claim you as FN as scum? My team already knows and can quietly assassinate you.
Are you saying scum has day talk?
Why not say "I received a FN notice, but it wasn't from Skybird?" Why was outting the person so critical if your objective was to cast suspicion on Skybird's claim?ShowTown 21-21-1
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In post 2015, TheWorst wrote:To create chaos and confusion? Though it didn't end up in your favor and attracted a ton of attention to you.
Ehhhh mehhhh idk now. All these claims are crazy.
IaI's info doesn't explain how there was an NK from mafia that night.
Well assuming the bodyguard is the legit claim, I'm wondering if both his bullet's are gone on that vest of his.ShowTown 21-21-1
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