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[Ausuka]

ok i had a thought that is probably stupid but like

when you guys say you've seen people fake being new, what was the context for why they did that and how they used that idea? because like, the hectic thing sounds like he was trolling, and i don't think that's what happened with obscure.

[Ausuka]

ok i had a thought that is probably stupid but like

when you guys say you've seen people fake being new, what was the context for why they did that and how they used that idea? because like, the hectic thing sounds like he was trolling, and i don't think that's what happened with obscure.

hectic played that game straight, he wasn't trolling or gamethrowing

later on, he told me he hammered bc he had a strong scumread on the player and didn't wanna let him get away because of a pr claim

but he pretended to be new, so

i mean, okay, sorry if what i said was rude

i guess i'd rephrase my question to put more emphasis on like why obscure might have done that?

this might be dumb but my thought was like... if he was pretending to be new, it might explain his behaviour around deas, if deas is scum? because if people believe obscure is new, they would be reluctant to believe he would tunnel a partner like that?

[Ausuka]

i mean, maybe i'm missing something? but i feel like the way he pushed deas throughout the game, starting with d1 when hem was pretty widely townread, i don't really think that's accurate. not to mention, i don't feel like obscure was present enough to be anything but a vote on the DV wagon? i hardly felt like he was making subtantial efforts to save hem at the time. i feel like the time where hem and dv were both wagons was, like, a short period towards the end of day 2.

[Ausuka]

like iirc the hem thing was like

i was townleaning him vaguely, i feel like most people were too, scamper was somewhat sus of him

and then he went and like slapped scamper in the face and they had a fight and hem like blew up all his towncred by being weirdly aggro?

and iirc it was quite sudden, scamper built that wagon quickly. i'm skeptical of wagonomics around that, and certainly i don't think obscure was playing around it.

[Ausuka]

also idk maybe im gullible (i am) but i don't think obscure was faking to that extent. he def did play up his newness a bit to hide behind tho

i was more surprised by him saying he was an english teacher tbh i didn't get those vibes at all

as for his read on me i don't think there was a lot of intent on walking it back? he townread me p hard like right after that and continued to so do i think

oh, i guess i missed this originally >.>

i felt like the wording of the first townread on you was sorta overly cautious, but you are right he did not walk it back and maintained a strong townread on you, which is kinda anti associative

but also if ur town i dont know who maf would be lole

[Ausuka]

idk maybe im trying to figure stuff out???

[Ausuka]

like honestly if fire is scum we realistically just win anyway but that's not the case if dv is scum?

but like. whatever if you're so sure just chainlim me, fire, frogs and shea and if we lose i can blame you postgame

[Ausuka]

datisi put me fourth on his list so

[Ausuka]

i also feel like you said you're sus of me being more quiet, or something

but yeah whatever

[Ausuka]

datisi put me fourth on his list so

the massclaim order isn't just my reads, i was honoring scamper's there too

also i literally asked whether you scumread deasvail because otherwise i don't see why you're doing this (with the implication being WHY do you scumread him because i feel i have very decent reasons to townread him) but go off ig

and i answered that i am trying to figure stuff out?

[Ausuka]

like am i not allowed to like talk or speculate about things unless i explicitly scumread a person? i obviously do not townread deas as strongly as you do; i have not felt like his play has been particularly town across the game. i don't think he is the most likely player in the game to be scum and in particular the obscure tunnel on deas is +town for deas, would be my main point to think that. so if i have a thought that might explain a deas scum world why shouldn't i do it? why do i have to view everyone as explicitly scumread or not scumread and if i'm not scumreading someone i'm not even allowed to fucking discuss the possibility they might be scum apparently

[Ausuka]

but go off ig

[Ausuka]

where did i say that

[Ausuka]

You said that you're worried about being limmed because of being fourth on datisi's list?

no??????

you *asked me* why i put myself on that list and i answered.

i am not worried about being eliminated, if it happens it will probably be in the distant future and would require the Obvious Suspects to be town. i was just like trying to re engage in the game and i felt like that was being shut down which i wouldn't mind if it was just like "this doesn't make sense and here is why", but obviously i am not going to enjoy the implication that i shouldn't even discuss the possibility of someone being scum unless i explicitly scumread them.

[Ausuka]

no? obviously that isn't happening. i was pushing back against the idea that we shouldn't discuss people being scum unless we think that's the *most likely possibility* because in that case, yeah we might as well just save ourselves an incredible amount of time and effort and chainlim people

[Ausuka]

i have a bad habit of coming off more frustrated than i actually am, so, i'm not actually like that upset over this

i will try and do some frog stuff later maybe. ribbit.

[Ausuka]

i feel like an asshole now lol

i didn't mean to lash out, i thought datisi was criticising me poking around deas without scumreading him and tried to respond that i thought it was unreasonable to expect me not to do that, i don't mean to lash out at anyone suspecting me. i did not even perceive that as datisi suspecting me but saying my posts were pointless.

i think i tend to do badly in arguments with emotions involved and i think my words here portrayed more than i was actually feeling. i am going to stop playing mafia soon and then i will try to sort that out.

[Ausuka]

Frog why do you think you're so obvtown if no one else thinks so or is hard townreading you? I am not trying to be sassy just hear your thought process

[Ausuka]

Datisi is probably a mafia neighbouriser

We should let him win though because he deserves it

[Ausuka]

i didn't mean to lash out, i thought datisi was criticising me poking around deas without scumreading him and tried to respond that i thought it was unreasonable to expect me not to do that, i don't mean to lash out at anyone suspecting me. i did not even perceive that as datisi suspecting me but saying my posts were pointless.

sorry, i should've made it clear what i was saying immediately

It's ok, I shouldn't have reacted like that anyway

[Ausuka]

Menalque warned Shea about the legend of datisi in the scum PT

[Ausuka]

wow ok

Not only does my question get ignored but Datisi brings up Shea's question and not mine which is the post above

I see how it is

[Ausuka]

This is like beetlejuice but instead of appearing when people say my name I appear when people say sleep deprivation

Anyway uh I think datisi asked me why I'm not townreading deas and honestly honestly I am not in the mood right now to write a wall but I wasn't a massive fan of his d2 play and I still think the pushes on frog and Marci felt kind of like... Targeting two players who I'd definitely consider limbait if town

But more so I don't think I've seen anything that convincing that he's town except the obscure push? Which to be fair is a big thing and I do also remember him having some towny posts? One of them was about gamma but I'm too tired to look it up pls bully me into talking about it later if you care

I think his approach today is kinda what I'd expect scum to do but to be fair it also makes sense coming from town dead I guess? I am making s mental note to look into his Shea progression because I remember feeling weird about it but I don't have much to back that up

[Ausuka]

ok wow

My input is that unimportant huh

Sobs

[Ausuka]

Shea do you think this is going to get productive at any point

I think it already has been. I think its incredibly productive for deas and ausuka and whomever else is not voting frogster to see this utter sham of a fake scum read that he is ex post facto and hilariously trying to justify by digging in his iso and looking for any post that he can try to stretch to be similar to something he might be "feeling" about GL right now.

I do not think what frog is saying makes a ton of sense as either alignment honestly and he seems to just be incredibly tilted regardless?

I feel like what fire is doing makes more sense as a scum strategy than what frog is doing fwiw and I think my vote there is better right now. Pushing frog is like, idk I think pretty easy to do here because he's being so aggro and it's difficult to understand. Sorry frog.

Also I'm getting tilted at this website why does it keep logging me out aaaaaaah

[Ausuka]

I think if scum are in fire and frog we probably win anyway so like idk maybe I should spend more time thinking about other people??? This game is hard tbh I think it's most likely to be fire but no one really feels like a good fit as last scum right now

I guess I'll like try and iso frog and read his early game while I'm on the bus today?

Pedit: I feel like if I was tilted town there I probably wouldn't self hammer? Or are you basing this off frog's personality that would make more sense. I don't really have a good enough understanding of him to analyse like that

Also I just woke up so sorry if this doesn't make sense I can clarify if someone asks

[Ausuka]

I feel like what fire is doing makes more sense as a scum strategy than what frog is doing fwiw and I think my vote there is better right now. Pushing frog is like, idk I think pretty easy to do here because he's being so aggro and it's difficult to understand. Sorry frog.

seems like a pretty effective strategy if people are gonna townread him for it and let him get away with it all game!

just bc pushing frog is easy doesn't mean it isn't correct

sometimes scummy people are scum

i mean this hardly seems like he's getting away with it or whatever

[Ausuka]

anyway yeah idk maybe i am wrong? i am not literally certain frog is town obviously. i don't think scum frog is the most likely possibility here right now. i am willing to look into his iso more later but in the last game i played with him i thought he was scum for what i thought was a nonsense push on me and he was town so am not very keen on voting him for the same reasons in this game.

[Ausuka]

well he didn't push on me what I mean by that is eliminating him for not making sense

[Ausuka]

I was talking about the push on me which I omgussed in that game

Also iirc we killed that guy next day so I don't think he had us pocketed

[Ausuka]

I mean I don't mean the no sense thing as an insult? It's just that most people find your posts difficult to understand and a lot of people have said that in this game too

[Ausuka]

if the game ends I will look like such an idiot

[Ausuka]

I mean either way I'm fine with this actually because if frog is town I won't have to post here while I'm on my field trip starting Monday, so

[Ausuka]

hi um am still in the countryside

I still think it's probably fire but should look into others as well

I agree Titus not shooting would be good

[Ausuka]

It's possible, is there anything in particular leading you to consider that?

the vc led me to consider it bc i think deas is scum, but it doesn't really feel like scum are piling on obscure's wagon or anything? the vibes rn to me at least just kinda feel like mostly active town who mostly feel similarly about stuff and then who knows what scum are doing

it doesn't feel like scum are in control of anything here

another possibility is that both wagons are town but then like i have no idea who scum even would be at that point. maybe i do have a wrong townread somewhere, idk

at least that was my thought process on seeing the vc

it also feels to me like there is a weird resistance to deas going through but the people who want an obscure lim probably feel the same about obscure and so like... my thought was maybe they're both right

i haven't really seen a single convincing reason for obscure being scum tho so

THE HATERS DIDN'T LISTEN, I WAS ON TO SOMETHING HERE

are you like, confident dv is scum at this point? this seems kind of incongruent with earlier where you were like sure frog is scum and dv was just the person you townread the least somewhat

(will do actual analysis later lol i'm finally home and have a day off so i should be doing Mafia Things today)

[Ausuka]

i mean fwiw like i havent been feeling like i have especially good reads LMAO?

i know this is a wierd thing to ask about but can u explain that cos like

it kind of feels like my reads would only be good this game if you're a wolf >.>

[Ausuka]

I mean I don't feel like my reads this game have been good at all unless it's like exactly you as the remaining scum but also like I know I tend to be self critical so maybe I would like to hear from someone else if fire's perception is normal to have

I also don't feel like I've actually been that confident about any of those things and am sort of confused where you got that perception?

pedit: relatable tbh i hate when ppl say reasonable things and you townread them for it even though you know you shouldn't

[Ausuka]

wow ok i thought that big case was pretty cool i guess not

sobs

pedit: shrug i mean some players just have like zero capacity to play scum beyond a basic level and are easy to read through that and i mean, check my game history if you want, i know what it's like to be a polarised player in almost exactly the way tweet is lol

i was wrong about gamma when it actually mattered

[Ausuka]

wow ok i thought that big case was pretty cool i guess not

sobs

it was but like you haven't exactly been pushing much since then

ok in my defense i've been busy and stuff!! and also i didn't really feel like u were going to slip away

but yeah i need to do more analysis and stuff >.>

also no please don't check my game history actually that's embarassing

[Ausuka]

she's just town imo

holy mother of quick conclusions

it's ok to have quick conclusions when they're right :>

how do you know its right?

because im informed of everyone's alignment, ofc

was going to write a fire iso post but i just want to quote this

who's tmi now FOOL

[Ausuka]

ok like i'm going to be honest here

it would maybe be like mechanically optimal for me to sheep scamper and dats or whatever and townread dv and just lim fire and shea because they're better players than me

but like. that is such a tedious way to play mafia. and if i applied that logic consistently i should probably have just been sheeping other people this whole game and not doing anything cos players like ari are so much better than me at town that it outweighs the possibility they are scum

i will like give more scrutiny than shea than i would otherwise because of their reads but like

[Ausuka]

ok uh fire iso part 1!

the first thing i noticed is that his interactions around me and vp around 519 are weird. i don't really like how they seem to discourage me from pushing on vp, obviously, especially with the 546 where they're calling vp out for nitpicky interactions with datisi anyway? i get that they're like not actually scumreading baltar, and they say as much in 557, but "vp feels fake but he's probably town because he's anti associative on ari" just doesn't feel like a real read? especially since it's way too early for them to have like, a reliable read on ari of the kind that justifies such an associative read.

i'm still not a fan of the eiralox stuff - i think i already talked about this in my fireisscum wall and don't want to repeat myself too much but overall i don't think it's much of a stretch to say eiralox was falling behind there and it's obvious why they wouldn't be posting the same as they do in smaller games, so the push felt like overly uncharitable to me

i don't really like the calling out gamma for the obvious thing, voting gamma when relly does, and then just kinda using scamper's read to backtrack on it

the stuff around 1465 feels, uh, unopportunistic and sorta towny?

i dont know if i can verbalise why i don't like 2055 but, uh, i don't like it

i don't know what to make of the interaction with gamma around 2117 actually, my first instinct was to call it scummy because it's a manufactured pointless exchange but also like maybe gamma isn't this clumsy around her buddy? someone help me out here lol

i still dislike the fire/VPB interactions; the defense early is obviously A Thing and then they just kind of come in dropping the "vp sort of rubbed me the wrong way once but havent seen anything much from him" which imo feels extremely partnery. and other than this they just kinda don't talk about himt

i dislike 2555. idk it just feels fake lol

the readslist in 2844 is kinda unfortunate

their read on marci and progression there is still sorta baffling to me. both times i was kinda sussy of marci, they were kind of encouraging it, and in their reads list they do express marci as one of their strongest scumreads and vote her at one point, but also throughout they are not really explaining it? like, no offense to marci but i kinda do feel like she's an easy push to make, so i'm a bit cautious of this

feel kind of uncomfy with their interactions with shea around 2593; i think shea responding the way he did there was very reasonable w/ the way fire had been leaning town on shea and then kind of started sussing him after that became more of a Popular Thing again? so fire sussing shea for that feels ehh

i *really* don't like fire defending hem through d2 and then flipping on that and joining them after pressure from scamper. it does kind of feel like after hem started imploding fire was left in a tough spot and felt like they had to jump on the wagon to avoid being seen as heavily associated with hem. given how bad it was i also don't like how hem didn't give that much focus to it and just rule of 3'd in 4458

ok sorry this is long enough i'll try and do more later !!

[Ausuka]

honestly i kind of feel like fire is going to die and everyone agrees they need to die before endgame and i'm never not going to think they're scum so i'm wasting my time >.>

[Ausuka]

maybe i will look at dv later instead

[Ausuka]

i mean yeah i guess it probably is just fire

shrug

[Ausuka]

but GL and dann at least pls look for yourself at some point

I feel so excluded

[Ausuka]

but GL and dann at least pls look for yourself at some point

I feel so excluded

you already said you'd look at dv! they hadn't been here yet

oh ok I thought I was catching you being survivalist but this actually makes sens rip

[Ausuka]

Looking back over end of day 2, Cat and Frog were the most vocal about exploring options other than tweet. Cat actually voted for me, which I think is much more likely from town because tweet was likely being eliminated at that stage and it’s just not a good look. Frog is reasonably likely to be town too because of the messy way in which (from an external perspective) he was very blatantly trying to make something else happen, but I am less certain on Frog-town than Cat-town because scum-Frog may have felt encouraged by town-Cat pushing for something else to happen.

I think that TSQ’s play end of D2 is scummy in a vacuum, but I’m not sure if it changes my overall read of them.

It’s also worthwhile considering the possibility that this was just a situation with low scum presence. S_S had earlier seemed to be encouraging the idea of a wagon on me without wanting to commit to it himself and while I probably think obscure is less likely scum than S_S, it is definitely possible.

Dease, I'm confused why Cat is even being considered in 5732.

I don’t take anything for granted

also this post expressing a read on csf is weird to make when everyone else is treating csf as conftown

(shoutout to frog for calling that out, sorry buddy)

I skimmed over this but I was rereading and this actually feels like a good point

DV why were you making a read on CSF here? I was treating her as mech town and I'm pretty sure everyone else was doing the same thing?

[Ausuka]

People I am considering as scum currently:

Juice

,

HEM

,

Aristeia

,

Firebringer

,

Gamma

, GuiltyLion,

Skitter

,

VP Baltar

But I don't feel strongly enough about any of them right in this moment to make a proper (or even a fake) push.

[Ausuka,

scamper

,

xofelf

,

ydrasse

]
[

HEM

,

Aristeia

, fireisred,

obscure

, relly]
[

Datisi

, Dannflor,

Firebringer

]
[Nero Cain,

VP Baltar

, GuiltyLion,

Frogsterking

]
[

Gamma

,

Marci

,

Conman

]

DV I'd like to hear more about your reads on HEM and obscure from day 1 and how they changed? I know it was a long time ago but shrug

[Ausuka]

idk this game is hard

[Ausuka]

like i should let fire respond maybe but i understand their pov in being ok with death

but also like i wouldn't be surprised if they actually were angling for dv to die instead so like

shrug

[Ausuka]

hi im extremely tired does anyone wanna talk about this game or smth

[Ausuka]

am I tinfoil hatting too much on dannflor

idk i mean like

i feel like the logic of efforting -> scum is flawed? i know it was originally dannflor who said it but like

i think town and scum both have motivation to effort here, and i don't think scum is necessarily the ppl efforting cos like, we should always be efforting from a gameplay perspective and irl stuff gets in the way regardless of alignment?

i think there's a small point there in that town are more reluctant to effort because like it's probably just fire and we are wasting our time. but i guess we should still be doing that? idk it's still early i hope i'm making some sense

i need to do more reviewing on dansflor probably. i was sus of him a little while ago, he has vibed more town since then but i'm not like, removing him from the poe or anything. i feel like a lot of people have called him strong town and i guess by sheer number they are probably right? but shrug

[Ausuka]

ok now datisi's cafe is over i just want to say like

fire being all "if i was scum i'd definitely win here" just feels like... performative and untrue?

like i haven't seen the scum pt in that game but it seems similar in that scum were backed into a corner, he was under suspicion, and he did not in fact win or come close to winning in that game

[Ausuka]

not really defeatist

although they claimed a fairly strong pr in that game iirc? so asking to be eliminated would be Weird

[Ausuka]

wow that's dedication i feel like you'd have to pay me to reread d1 in full

(although if fire is town i might end up doing that anyway, at least for parts of it lole)

[Ausuka]

i feel like those posts are like... idk i have no feelings about them

[Ausuka]

Why do you ask? I think there's enough content here that you don't have to pick at vibe reads

Seemed like a read not based in reality.

What should I be picking at?

What does "a read not based in reality" actually mean

It means it seems like you made it up and now you are covering poo with ~vibes~

This feels like a wildly out-of-nowhere take?? Like even if you think Ausuka's wrong I'm not sure why it's so unbelievable that her wrong read would be based on vibes

dats, why didn't you withhold your ari read before she can explain what her baltar read was so you can read her better

well for one, she can still explain it. for two, i think scum-her is capable of faking that read. so i don't think it's too alignment-indicative either way.

Why bring it up if it's NAI?

wow can't believe Datisi is the planned D1 bus for once

This reminds me that this post was one of the reasons I was townreading Shea

I am aware scum bus but idk at the time it felt like this was super validating to me and it feels like he's screwing over baltar in the argument in a way he really doesn't need to

[Ausuka]

I guess I could see why someone might like, have the thought and press me on the read. But I just don't feel like he's engaging with me genuinely here about this?

I feel the same, though I'm wishy washy on if it makes VPB scum or not

UNVOTE:
VOTE: ausuka

oh there he goes

making the first move

wow they tied the knot

HEM I still don't really understand what these posts are meant to say am I just being stupid or

Pretty sure those are just continued jokes about you and vpb having (implied romantic) tension

Ugh actually this post is sort of bad in the same way fire's was

[Ausuka]

I guess I'll just ask relly to explain the po-

Oh wait

[Ausuka]

fire i'm sort of confused about your read on me? i did not get the vibe you were townreading me that much

also like, i kind of disagree that scum fire has a lot of options in this gamestate? like i feel like it's just blatantly untrue that this situation would play to your strengths. it's a very difficult position to get out of and if ur scum u played well but townread your partners and then they all got themselves killed so like i don't really buy the uh, what is it? reverse burden of proficiency? i mean idk what you think about me as a player but i scumread you in that game so i don't think it's really accurate to say scum fire would talk circles around me or something

[Ausuka]

i have no idea what you mean by that but ok

[Ausuka]

is it ok for me to hammer fire

i know gl wanted to do stuff today and like

ok yes if we ended the game before he came back it would be funny but what if it *didn't* you know

[Ausuka]

titus if i colour in votecounts will u do something

[Ausuka]

OKAY FUCK IT LET'S DO IT

VOTE: fireisredsir

[Ausuka]

is there some kind of ritual to bring t3 to the thread

datisi is an expert on demonic things i wish he was still alive

[Ausuka]

Ok uh that isn't really what I expected?

Titus why is it GL and why are you still here

[Ausuka]

Whatever i still don't think tinfoiling this today is worth it in terms of ev actually

My main focus should probably be on sorting shea and dv today

That means doing actual work though and I'm lazy ugh

[Ausuka]

I don't think the NRG would pass gated SK, that sounds like a horrendously unfun role. I agree if Titus is SK nero probably yeeted ari n1 or something

and even then if she's SK it's still also weird that HEM claimed modified vig. That means if Titus is SK he got remarkably lucky with a complete BS claim that perfectly slotted in with the one town modified vig, or scum had to have knowledge of marci's role somehow

I don't think this is that weird though, he didn't actually claim even night vig, modified vig is a pretty vague claim to make

[Ausuka]

I like to think I'm fairly familiar with normal rules? The only way for scum to kill multiple people is a mafia babysitter which obviously didn't happen here

[Ausuka]

I agree shea rushing the hammer isn't scummy

I don't really buy into VCA stuff personally but I understand people disagree with me about that

[Ausuka]

I want to iso obscure at some point today as well

I feel like dv is the ~easiest explanation~ but like masons thought it was shea so if they're right i'm going to get flamed postgame if i'm lazy about this lole

[Ausuka]

Imagine if we go to all this effort and titus is actually sk and wins by doing nothing

[Ausuka]

ok but is it a pinky promise

[Ausuka]

i had to go look thru ur topic history to remember what that was >.>

and i think i specced for a grand total of like four pages >.>
but congrats for endgaming it looks like

~

i think i have to say gn now ... i am eagerly awaiting to hear more abt gl's scamper vote on the morrow

what's up gamers!

VOTE: marcistar

why aren't you voting?

VOTE: scamper

@vp yours look liked rvs vs this is gl's entire iso and i want to know what prompted the change; the timing felt quite odd / i didn't really see anything that scamper did in between to prompt the change

Is it dumb to think this looks sort of partnered

[Ausuka]

I know I should realistically just make a wallpost like DV is but

1) I hate formatting on mobile

2) I think we should make this game 400 pages

[Ausuka]

i have townpings on ydrasse and skitter

why skitter? I dont think skitter is very town at this point

i have townpings on ydrasse and skitter

why skitter? I dont think skitter is very town at this point

its just a ping but i felt the townreadon ydra was sufficiently out of the box wherenone of her posts were conventionally townie so scum would be less likely to give a townread on those posts knowing its more likely to get weird looks

eh

This feels kinda tmi to me

Not the part where he doesn't townread skitter but in the early game DV content was sparse and I am unsure why he specifically commented on scamper's skitter read here

[Ausuka]

Ok I mean I know it's frustrating if you're town and just very smart but it feels like you maybe had some insider knowledge there

I also think your refusal to pinky promise is very suspicious

[Ausuka]

"It means it seems like you made it up and now you are covering poo with ~vibes~" is how you're planning to catch scum!Ausuka?

Like 399 is a good reason for pushing Ausuka's Nero read but also not sure it matches with you just kinda shading Ausuka for having a viberead. You can be a townlean for 396 though, so maybe I'll just drop this

townier than rand:

skitter, ydrasse, vpb, scamper, fireisredsir, nero cain, HEM

Scummier than rand:

guiltylion, datisi, maybe deasvail

???:

gamma, deasvail, aristeia, marci, firebringer, xofelf, [people who haven't posted]



This is not a readslist anyone should sheep I'm mostly just organizing my jumbled thoughts before exiting the thread

Upon reread I have decided everyone is scum actually

I don't know why past Ausuka didn't suspect this?? Maybe I skimmed over it or something

[Ausuka]

like i'm not out here saying GL is being overly negative, i don't think so, but i understand the pov that can think so and call it out post-by-post

This feels significant but not entirely sure what to make of it??? Part of me feels like HEM's treatment of GL is partnery because he's bullying up to Relly without like actually pressuring GL but also if you're doing this do you really to out of your way to talk about how you are not scumreading GL

[Ausuka]

I understand where you're coming from with hem but shrug I feel like mafia just claim vig sometimes? It doesn't seem like the sort of thing we can solve exactly, I guess is what I'm trying to say.

I think i could see the NRG passing this with 5 scum or 4 scum and a sk, which i guess isn't exactly helpful but whatever

pedit: isn't that like exactly what VCA is

i mean, i don't really agree with looking for X scum on Y wagon. i don't think it really matters who was on the wagon there, and i don't think TSQ trying to get hammer really influences his odds of being scum... like... at all?

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I also feel like most of the mafia were just like

not posting at this point?

Like I don't think either obscure slot or hem slot was really posting

So arguments about X amount of the scum on the wagon just seems like, I don't think this is really normal cirucmstances for that

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Titus is the assertion you're making that we have 6 mafia in a 20 player game?

I am sort of confused

Do you have any reads other than TSQ scum for eod

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I feel the same, though I'm wishy washy on if it makes VPB scum or not

I changed my mind again

I feel like it's very unusual for mafia to describe themselves as wishy washy about their partner and being unapologetically so

It seems like a counterintuitive take for Relly to make and this reminds me why I thought he looked uninformed earlier

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I don't feel like it does? 5 scum in this game is already an above average ratio, didn't we just play a game of this size with only 4 scum and a bunch of power roles?

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I mean if people think there is 6 scum I am happy to do that

I am cautious of the idea because it strongly goes against all of my balance expectations.

I am also curious why you voted so early if you think this is an elo gamestate.

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I mean if people think there is 6 scum I am happy to disucss that

I am cautious of the idea because it strongly goes against all of my balance expectations.

I am also curious why you voted so early if you think this is an elo gamestate.

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GL am i crazy here

i cannot imagine this being even closed to balanced with 6 scum and the idea that we would have no way of knowing we are in elo, with 6 scum, in a game with vigs

it just does not seem like something that would pass ever to me. i would pass this with 4 scum before i passed it with 6

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I mean i guess by balance of probabilities titus is just town anyways

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I think it's somewhat +town for shea in that pushing mena about "are you suggesting we're buddies" feels like, overly risky? In that making mena talk about that subject could look bad later? Idk

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good morning

GL idk if you're still around but i agree shea's interactions with gamma still don't look like s/s

my conflict there is like, i think shea looks town based on play? but would feel bad if dats and scamper got it and i ignored them i guess

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i don't think entertaining titus scum is throwing

well. sk anyway. titus is not mafia obviously

it feels *unlikely* but it's definitely a possibility i guess? mostly because titus has played a lot more like scum than DV or Shea or GL. and i feel like nero looked town but SKs are kinda difficult to distinguish from town when mafia are still alive cos they're an uninformed minority imo

that said, it feels like the 'gunsmith inno still alive' kind of thing? you want to be paranoid and maybe you're supposed to take this kind of possibility into account but i don't know if i could ever actually vote for titus knowing the probability is so low mechanically

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So obscure's treatment of GL is kind of weird

He starts off by saying GL feels town and he doesn't know how to substantiate it, and without justifying further it turns into a hard townread by the middle of D1?

I ~think~ it feels more like TMI than partnery weird, though. Because like, I think scum are often self conscious about how they treat their partners? And this wasn't exactly subtle.

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sorry i know this isn't actually game relevant but i'm trying to read d1 and my brain absolutely cannot handle datisi's current avatar

it feels wrong, like, on a fundamental level to me

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Dats dear, I think if you just take the extra attention as a positive because all your friends here are thinking about you, maybe you will feel happier and loved. <3.

My relationship with Datisi is strictly rivalry

Have you ever had a RL rival? I have had two, despite my best efforts to have 0, and wow is it EXHAUSTING

Read this first as "I used to have 2, and now I have zero" and was like, damn, relly will effing murder you, no joke

this is too funny to be s/s

I have the best reads

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humaneatingmonkey

why is HEM so low? I thought he said towny things though admittedly some of them were about how I'm town so maybe I'm in a pocket

this actually feels kind of partnered though

this game is hard can I sheep someone

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I'm glad I've reached too bad to be scum levels

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I keep forgetting about this game. I feel good about Auska town as well.

Sorry to be annoying but like do you have anything else? How much have you read? I wouldn't expect you to read the entire game or anything but maybe even just looking at the Isos of one of the flipped scum would be fine

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I agree gl around the hem wagon looks good fwiw

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also heya relly

hi! I think you're town because people scumread your entrance to the game in the same way I've seen people scumread you as town like 12 times

I don't have any strong scumreads except, like.... datisi? I sure hope the silent slots are scum

Is it bad i want to bop relly for townreading skitter, hem and vp baltar lole

This might be harsh since he was pushing gamma for a bit, i should review that

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@skitter - is that not what happens every game?? I've seen what feels like multiple dead threads this year of you speccing a game and calling me scum

i mean fair i suppose but you still feel really wrong and like grating

not like personally but the tone behind your posts is really weird and is just setting off my 'ahhhhhhhhhh something feels off here' meter

and like you're concentrating on the wrong things idk

This doesn't feel like distancing to me

I'm not sure how well to verbalise why but I think part of it is how GL plays it off and doesn't really play around the skitter interaction like he thinks it matters I guess?

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At times it feels like VPB is just going down intellectual lines of questioning for its own sake instead of like, genuinely seeking an answer that will impact his reads - if that makes sense

this is exactly what i felt as well

im figuring out if it's vpb pushing buttons to generate content or scum trying to fake a push

This also feels anti associative

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DV I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts on GL and baltar

Baltar is one of the weaker suspects of that list, but the early ?suspicion? of datisi and description of whatever Datisi's post was as a reaction test, followed by a lack of much evident effort to clarify his read of Datisi since, feels a bit strange. I could imagine that Baltar as scum would prefer to avoid just easily townreading a town-Datisi, but here he almost seems to be... avoiding the topic.

This on the other hand does feel like a distancey post.

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ok uh i am going to just make a wall so i don't spam the thread too much

1075 - I think "Maybe I townlean DV. I'd like him to be town, because he certainly seems like a deep thinker" is sort of pockety

1088 - ok I thought i was settling towards a DV push but this post reminded me how Weird relly's progression on baltar actually was on d1 and now I'm feeling unsure again. like he townleans baltar for reasons that don't appear to make much sense and then goes back on it to join a wagon because "it's interesting" without ever like pushing him or saying that he finds him suspicious. Just really bad.

1099 - I don't think I am ever going to vote guiltylion this game

1287 - feels like a relly townpost? idk i don't have strong reasoning the stuff about dats just feels genuine to me

1291 - I feel like this case is better than I gave it credit for at the time, probably because I thought datisi was scum and now I know datisi is town it's easier to see things from scamper's pov. I don't think the case about relly's scumread of datisi is ~amazing~ but like yeah actually his progression on Datisi, like going from 'tunneling' to wiffly waffly, is indeed kinda bad.

1314 - ugh I do not like vpb like pushing relly as town and then ignoring scamper making his case and I feel dumb because I keep swinging back and forth about relly

1431 - maybe partnery

ok i feel lost so i'm just gonna go have dinner and come back later, feel free to tell me one or more of these thoughts are awful

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Ausuka I think with respect to your most recent post, if I had to lim between Relly and DV, Relly definitely seems scummier, I follow along with what you're calling out (and I should also reread that scamper case). but then there's all this stuff from TSQ that I like and feels less likely to come from scum unless they're playing really well. which makes me kinda worried as usually early game is best for finding useful info but we can't get any evolution/explanation from Irrelephant on how he was playing, and maybe he was just having a bad game and I shouldn't discount a wealth of stuff from TSQ that I like?

I understand this and like maybe going through Relly's stuff is unfair to TSQ but like

I was intending to read the whole game at some point and hopefully would include his stuff too

But maybe that's overly optimistic

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it seems every time I look at a slice of this game I find reasons to reverse my reads on DV/Shea in whatever direction they were most recently trending

This is a strong mood

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ok I know no one wants to talk about it but I'm gonna talk about it

Why didn't nero either cc kitty scratch or like shoot her

I think the enchant shot there is massively odd

I know he's not here to talk about it and that's frustrating and replacements suck as a mechanic but like. Does anyone have an explanation that makes sense

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Mechanically it feels like I shouldn't suspect Titus but like

I feel like I have to force myself to sus DV or shea and titus in this gamestate feels... not very town

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I was strongly townreading nero earlier but I think that is sort of natural with a SK which is uninformed

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Maybe i'm misremembering what d2 was like but i thought it was fairly apparent that we had marci as an ON vig and hem was claiming the over vig -> EN vigilante, which is why we cleared kitty scratch for a while and nero went along with that?

I also think the only night that isn't explained is n1 which could just be nero shooting ari and vpb

And I don't really understand what the last line means

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Idk yeah this is probably dumb it requires too many what ifs

I will go back to the rereading thing after my pizza

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I don't think it's DV Shea? I feel like if we flip one of them and the game continues we'll probably be in a fairly good spot regardless

If it's GL / someone we're screwed but we would probably be screwed in any scum GL world

So it doesn't seem like worth extensively worrying about

I still think 6 scum is extremely unlikely balance wise but I suppose things which I think are very unbalanced have passed before

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ok I know no one wants to talk about it but I'm gonna talk about it

Why didn't nero either cc kitty scratch or like shoot her

I think the enchant shot there is massively odd

I know he's not here to talk about it and that's frustrating and replacements suck as a mechanic but like. Does anyone have an explanation that makes sense

I tried to talk about this multiple times and got shouted at that the enchant shot was not odd at all.

I don't remember doing this?

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nevermind I can't read

I don't think town nero shooting enchant over you is like, that strange in isolation (although now I'm thinking about it enchant was) but I find not shooting kitty or counterclaiming at all to be very strange

That said at this point I'm just like, if we lose to sk titus, wow we lost to the sneaky sk, great, amazing, can we stop putting SKs in games thanks

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I will be excessively salty about the time I wasted but at least it will give me a chance to soapbox about serial killers being unfun

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I see where you're coming from broadly but I don't really understand why scum shea would refuse to bus after it becomes obvious his partners are going to die?

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Like I definitely agree the progression is weird but I guess I don't see the motivation

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Honestly there could have even been some big argument in the scum PT about the bussing thing. I feel like there are possibilities there.

I didn't think of this but I could like definitely see something like this actually

Probably not a big argument but I think the idea of, like, scum asking other scum not to bus would make sense

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Thinking more about it, there could also be hope that the replacements would breathe life into the slots. Like, Eiralox was looking in a pretty bad spot but Dann turned that slot around. Theoretically MT and especially Mena could have made a real difference. They just... didn't.

This could also be true although I'm less inclined to believe, from the impression I get from shea, that he would want to bank his hopes on an unknown like that? Well, I think most people wouldn't want to do that anyway

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Shea what are your reads rn I am kind of unclear on that

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@Ausuka. I don't know. I think Deas kind of is the most obvious scum candidate but I keep getting distracted by the n_m weirdness. I think any of the three of you are capable of playing this game as scum and I feel pretty useless because I'm not particularly good at combing through past interactions with a comb in order to tease out possible informed comments and I've now been wrong two days in a row so I don't really have a good sense of where I'm at because since I think everyone else is town (though Deas' case on me makes me think he's likely scum who is forced to make this play) the poe from my pov is by necessity everyone.

I am sort of confused by the idea that all of us are capable of playing this game as scum

Like to be fair I haven't played with GL recently but I find it sorta hard to believe he could play like this as scum, I mean I'm sure he's good at the alignment but I think this is more likely to be a town gl world

And I don't think I can play like this as scum at all. And while I don't expect you to just take me at my word that I'm town or whatever confidently asserting that you think GL and I can play like this as scum seems just odd? Like, where does that come from?

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Also “scoured the game and this is the best I came up with”, as much as Shea is saying it to make me sound bad, is actually an accurate description. Like, we’re at the point where everyone we thought was the last scum was actually town, and so scouring and coming up with whatever we can that might point to the last scum is exactly what needs to be done here

@Ausuka. I don't know. I think Deas kind of is the most obvious scum candidate but I keep getting distracted by the n_m weirdness. I think any of the three of you are capable of playing this game as scum and I feel pretty useless because I'm not particularly good at combing through past interactions with a comb in order to tease out possible informed comments and I've now been wrong two days in a row so I don't really have a good sense of where I'm at because since I think everyone else is town (though Deas' case on me makes me think he's likely scum who is forced to make this play) the poe from my pov is by necessity everyone.

I am sort of confused by the idea that all of us are capable of playing this game as scum

Like to be fair I haven't played with GL recently but I find it sorta hard to believe he could play like this as scum, I mean I'm sure he's good at the alignment but I think this is more likely to be a town gl world

And I don't think I can play like this as scum at all. And while I don't expect you to just take me at my word that I'm town or whatever confidently asserting that you think GL and I can play like this as scum seems just odd? Like, where does that come from?

I think it's more likely to be a town gl world too. I also think it's more likely to be a town ausuka world. I also think it's more likely to be a town deas world.

The only slot i actively feel like they've played scummily is Nero/Titus and they're off the table.

I mean, I understand the part where you townread everyone, but I'm confused by the read that everyone here is like equally super capable at scumplay or something, and that the situations are equal. Like I'm much more inclined to believe DV's play could be faked by scum compared to GL's for example. Idk it just feels weird to me that you're like saying you're evenly suspicious of everyone. And also that you give reads on our player skis when I don't think we've played together much and I don't think you've played with GL either? Correct me if I'm wrong

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I mean, I don't expect you to apologise? I'm trying to ask you about like your reads on me and GL and why you're suspicious of us to the extent other people don't seem to be beyond just "you're capable of playing like this as scum"

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my read on you is you're a good player who has played and read a ton of games of mafia. I assume you're a pretty capable scum player. If you'd like to make arguments as to why you can't possibly play this game as scum I'm willing to hear them obviously but I'm generally pretty skeptical of such arguments because I think self meta is inherently flawed.

But again I have to emphasize that "capable of playing this scum game" != "equally likely to have played this scum game." and its weird to me that you're reacting this way to the mere suggestion that you would be capable of playing this way as scum when like...that should be your goal?

I mean, people like scamper and fire and Datisi who know me were townreading me and iirc said they didn't believe I could play like this as scum. I understand that meta like that isn't always the most reliable and I'm not exactly inclined to push that point super hard but shrug.

Maybe I'm coming off as more defensive than I am? I'm not like upset by this or anything. I am trying to figure out scum and ask about stuff I find strange.

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I don't think it's necessarily all that unreasonable. I think it looks worse than what DV is doing in the sense that scum you needs to miselim one of me and GL or Titus I guess. That's looking very difficult, and while town does have some reason to look into us scum *needs* to make a breakthrough today on one of us in order to win. DV pushing you doesn't really serve that purpose, so you're the only one of you two who fits that profile. That's why I'm pressing this.

Pedit: I mean, I don't think you think I'm scum. I think you think DV is the most likely suspect. Am I wrong?

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Like I guess if you have doubts and uncertainties I'd like you to talk more about like the content of it so that it's easier to evaluate if you're coming from a town mindset. You're saying it's reasonable to look into me and GL and it is but the way you've been going about it feels, like, idk, overly generalised. Like you're trying to keep your options open or whatever.

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Shrug, I'm not sure what else I can say on this topic. I'm also worried about being wrong, which is why I'm not trying to just chainlim you and Deas. I think your way of playing and trying to survive is something scum needs to do here and I think it looks scummy but it's not like town Shea can't also do that or that you can prove it wrong.

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I don't feel like I've just been coasting but whatever

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I think today scum in you or DV needs to work to find a second person who they will be able to eliminate if they are going to win. I think it looks a lot more like you are doing this than DV is.

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Much easier to play to survive the day, get the easy lim and then try to figure out the second lim tomorrow.

I don't really think this is a very viable tactic? Like unless DV does the work on making one of us miselimmable, okay sure he can play it like he's shocked by the flip or whatever but he still is going to face the issue that none of me Titus or GL are likely to vote each other unless he does something to change that

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my big worry is that Titus is SK and TSQ/DV is a T-T and we have nothing to really nail Titus on because SK is genuinely unaligned with group scum and there's an equally compelling mech/town explanation for her role. I don't know how I could resolve that worry/concern unless Titus starts doing a ton of solving here, but I also know it's a game and she's got RL to deal with

I mean same

Honestly I just really wish SK was not a normal role

I don't really think it's worth limming titus on that possibility but it would be so lame

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Hi sorry i wanted to do stuff but i got sick again >.>

i have limited brain capacity but will try and do something if ppl are here. is there anything specific in the game ppl think would be useful to reread

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skill issue, i actually have infinite brain capacity almost all the time

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Post 783 ugh I’m going to fucking hate playing with you, aren’t I? I fucking hate this style of scum hunting. It’s DAY FUCKING ONE. Saying things are POE is fucking NONSENSE.

shut the fuck up

is it too shallow to read this as not partnered lole

it feels too absurd to be distancing almost

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also in case it isn't obvious, i have continued to be sick

i am aware deadline is Soon so am forcing myself to do things

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@thestatusquo I am a new player. I'm not asking to be seen as townie for it as I do have experience with social deduction games but I would prefer if you respect the fact that I am new regardless because... what you're saying is coming across as quite offensive when I'm only trying to figure things out. Maybe I seem dumb but subbing into a game for the first time in so many pages as my first game ever isn't exactly easy.

More thoughts tomorrow.

I think this looks town for shea too or well

At the very least if shea is scum he went STRAIGHT for the "get into shitfights with all my scum partners" strategy

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what's wrong with pumpkin spiced latte

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i probably agree

overall i've looked at shea more critically and i see better what people have been getting at with him i guess but also like

i think at several points he looks more town than DV does with his interactions with like gamma and obscure which at the end of the day don't really feel like they make that much sense to be distancing

i might try and do a bit more work before deadline, but since you have your wedding i'm willing to take precatuions to make sure we get a lim done?

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ok but really tho

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Really really

rip

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if i die flip a coin between shea and titus or something

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wow ok fun

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i'm kind of glad about it personally

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UNVOTE:

while i am still very suspicious of the relly slot i feel like i dont need to dogpile someone who has just replaced in

i wonder if this is a direct reaction to TSQ mentioning that scum loves to dogpile replacements

this thought didnt occur to me but I love that it did to you.

This seems like a really weird observation for you to make if you're scum.

I'm rereading because it feels like an obligation to do so and I have to be like rigorous. I find it difficult to see myself voting GL over Shea right now but whatever.

I am making a note of this post because the interaction looks kinda bad to me.

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oh also it occurs to me that whichever one of you it is i was kind of throwing this game

OH WELL

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well I guess I was probably correct about that huh

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also you did not have to call me cringe. there are like, so many other alternative words you could have used instead in that situation

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VOTE: thestatusquo

well uh I really hope you are a wolf here is all i can say

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nvm I did not see the GL posts ok cool

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I just urge GL if they're town to go back and read the last few days and ask yourself what Ausuka has actually done to try to find scum. They've been skating based off of the 'vig VP' comment for basically the whole game now

This bullshit is exactly what I was talking about yesterday

Tsq needs to push someone here and he is making up any rationale to actually make a push because he needs two slots to be miselimmable.

I don't think town tsq ever turns around and decides to vote me instantly in ELO based on what is frankly complete and utter bullshit without letting me even respond like ever. I mean, go back yourself and make a judgement, but I think this line he's pushing that I haven't done anything since day 1 is just obviously untrue and born of desperation.

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performative but ok

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oh yeah that would be a really great scum strategy. just pretending not to see posts. really reaping the towncred there

not to mention you say you don't want to get into a back and forth which I generally would have agreed with and then "is that all you have to say for yourself"

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Whatever I think shea is trying to rile me up here

I will ignore the thread and come back when GL does

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hi no prod please

i will answer gl questions when they appear obviously

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the weather here recently has been pretty great honestly. Cool but not cold. I wish it would just stay like this

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Young man, there's no need to feel down
I said, young man, pick yourself off the ground
I said, young man, 'cause you're in a new town
There's no need to be unhappy
Young man, there's a place you can go
I said, young man, when you're short on your dough
You can stay there, and I'm sure you will find
Many ways to have a good time
It's fun to stay at the Y.M.C.A.
It's fun to stay at the Y.M.C.A.
They have everything for you men to enjoy
You can hang out with all the boys
It's fun to stay at the Y.M.C.A.
It's fun to stay at the Y.M.C.A.
You can get yourself clean, you can have a good meal
You can do what ever you feel
Young man, are you listening to me?
I said, young man, what do you want to be?
I said, young man, you can make real your dreams
But you got to know this one thing
No man does it all by himself
I said, young man, put your pride on the shelf
And just go there, to the Y.M.C.A.
I'm sure they can help you today
It's fun to stay at the Y.M.C.A.
It's fun to stay at the Y.M.C.A.
They have everything for you men to enjoy
You can hang out with all the boys
It's fun to stay at the Y.M.C.A.
It's fun to stay at the Y.M.C.A.
You can get yourself clean, you can have a good meal
You can do what ever you feel
Young man, I was once in your shoes
I said, I was down and out with the blues
I felt no man cared if I were alive
I felt the whole world was so tight
That's when someone came up to me
And said, young man, take a walk up the street
There's a place there called the Y.M.C.A.
They can start you back on your way
It's fun to stay at the Y.M.C.A.
It's fun to stay at the Y.M.C.A.
They have everything for you men to enjoy
You can hang out with all the boys
Y.M.C.A., it's fun to stay at the Y.M.C.A.
Young man, young man, there's no need to feel down
Young man, young man, pick yourself off the ground
Y.M.C.A., it's fun to stay at the Y.M.C.A.
Young man, young man, are you listening to me
Young man, young man, what do you wanna be?
Y.M.C.A., you'll find it at the Y.M.C.A.
No man, young man, does it all by himself
Young man, young man, put your pride on the shelf
Y.M.C.A., and just go to the Y.M.C.A.
Young man, young man I was once in your shoes
Young man, young man I was down with the blues, Y.M.C.A.

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i thought you didn't need much from us and didn't put much stock into whatever was said today?

I mean I am definitely okay with making a case on tsq if you think that would be helpful but I was not under the impression that was what you wanted

I obviously think you are on the right track currently with what you were saying

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yeah idk I find it hard to case tsq honestly because like. I have been wrong on him throughout the game. and i do think looking at what, like, scamper wrote is a much better use of your time than anything i can write

i think if you actually look at my play through the lens of "are they trying to find scum" you will come to the conclusion that I have been so shrug

I do think tsq's recent play around me and the artificial certainty he had at start of day here and the narrative I haven't been trying to find scum is pretty plainly a scum pivot

and i would definitely encourage you to not disregard stuff like irrelephant and the associatives. because like no why would you do that

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shrug I also thought the gamma/TSQ interactions looked good for him so I understand why you'd think that

I think it is common for scum to push against each other when it feels like scum are under considerable pressure

I looked back and I am sort of drawing a blank on what to say except that it is well performed distancing

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i don't know how much i can be on before deadline, but i will be here for about an hour or so if you have any questions GL

i will also be on at some point tomorrow, obviously, but again not sure when or for how long

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I mean I have pretty consistently been defending tsq to some degree I imagine that played into it

In general i think i played pretty badly this game, I don't think I got much right after the confrontation with baltar d1

I also think me and dannflor were at like.. similar levels of being townread?

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I mean having checked dannflor's iso, he doesn't really seem to express any backup suspects after Fire? Like i'm not sure who he would have turned on if he didn't die

I thought deas was more likely to be scum than shea at that point and said as much

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I mean I know self meta is worthless but I do think if i have a lurky scumteam I bus the fuck out of them

[Ausuka]

fwiw i hope my posts didn't come off as snarky or like blaming you for taking your time; i think it's a reasonable thing to do, and i was also busy and probably would have had a difficult time rereading the whole game in the same way you did

i was just empty posting so i didn't get prodded

[Ausuka]

I still think looking at the late game will pretty clearly show that I have been solving

Shea was on fire early d5 and moved to frog afterwards when that was the 'happening wagon' while I was pushing fire throughout the day

Obviously both were wrong but "content to just let whatever town wagon was happening happen" seems more accurate to him than me

[Ausuka]

Yeah I was scum sorry

If it helps I think I would have made the same decision in your place at least just based on like sheeping the overall opinions of dead town

[Ausuka]

feel pretty strongly that if I didn't have all the irrel nonsense hanging around my head this whole game this would have been a pretty easy dub, but I don't mean to take away from how well ausuka played. Truly a masterclass at the beginning, though I will say I was being genuine when I said your focus and care slipped at the end of the game, but clearly it was good enough.

I mean I was being genuine when I said I became busier as university began, although literally all of my scumbuddies replacing out at the exact same time did not help.

I was also struggling with illness a lot through the game. I don't know how it appeared, but like I genuinely tried as hard as I could to play this game and post things and contribute because I felt like I had an obligation to do so

[Ausuka]

Yeah also that thing where I missed guiltylion voting was 100% genuine

Have you guys never skimmed threads when you're sleepy and missed incredibly obvious things smh

[Ausuka]

VOTE: thestatusquo

whichever of you is scum please don't make me conftown in ELO again -.-

I'll be around to take all the Ls in postgame if this is wrong

Also this isn't my fault!! I was thinking of taking Titus to endgame but the mod said that if we eliminated Shea it would be everyone loses

[Ausuka]

I didn't choke yay

[Ausuka]

I remember there was one particular post where Ausuka said something about "throwing obscure in the same HEM pile of 'will have to die before endgame' " and it was so perfectly nonchalant

I was hoping someone would notice this!

Yeah thanks for modding T3 also

[Ausuka]

Yeah also that thing where I missed guiltylion voting was 100% genuine

Have you guys never skimmed threads when you're sleepy and missed incredibly obvious things smh

I was grasping at straws. I just didn't see a path to not getting limmed today.

I keep not considering that town might just be lying.

Mena correctly called out the guilty as fake in the scum PT but before that the thought genuinely did not cross my mind

I didn't really think scamper and dats were masons until Ydrasse flipped

[Ausuka]

But I want to win

[Ausuka]

I am glad I can quit mafia now

I think this was a pretty good note to end things on, at least the way it ended, although I struggled through parts of it

[Ausuka]

can we get dead pt and mason pt please I am curious about it