Mini Normal 2323 [There is an Inventor] | FIN

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #22 (isolation #0) » Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:25 am

VOTE: katsuki
Been a while since I’ve seen your face
Let’s hope this game has a reasonable pace

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #63 (isolation #1) » Fri Dec 29, 2023 7:08 am

I think Katsuki’s claim deserves a closer glance
Not sure it’s real but it makes me look askance

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #81 (isolation #2) » Fri Dec 29, 2023 7:22 am

In post 75, davesaz wrote: The other obvious possibility is joke. I don't have enough background to know how likely that is from Katsuki.

My general impression is she doesn’t like day one
So she does silly things to make it more fun
Don’t know of any bait or troll moves
But my limited experience means that could be disproved.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #177 (isolation #3) » Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:52 pm

In post 172, Katsuki wrote: *That being said, you're right I do have a tendency to have a great deal of disdain for D1 if the town is being bad and will just disappear until late game after the distracting voices have died off before participating. You probably caught me in one of those games.

I don't remember the issue in those prior cases being bad town
I moreso recall high post density causing your motivation to drown

I'm concerned people are voting me for an imagined point I've made
I'll try to review further before dropping any direct shade

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #178 (isolation #4) » Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:56 pm

In post 154, DragonEater70 wrote:
In post 142, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 125, DragonEater70 wrote: I'm liking Black's thought process so far. I think it's not totally out of her scum range but it does feel genuine and I feel okay townleaning her for now.

I don't fully see the Hu Tao scum read so I'm gonna try something different

VOTE: Gamma
What about her scumread on me do you not like?
I like the scumread, I just feel your response to it was fine I guess

you're putting reads in my mouth, for that I'm displeased
refrain from doing it again or you may wind up deceased
I've not spoken a word about Hu Tao as of yet
so I don't see why that relates to the vote that I get

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #179 (isolation #5) » Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:35 pm

Thomith I can see as a decent suspect
since if katsuki is town scum would detect
the ruse of her Juggernaut claim quite readily
and could lead to how he's pushed certain people so heavily

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #180 (isolation #6) » Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:40 pm

In post 113, Naerys wrote: On the contrary i dont believe scum would jump at that joke at all.

I like this thought process, let me explain why
their insider knowledge would make them hesitate to try
and spin katsuki's move as something of import
so the people with those guts are town, is my retort
VOTE: thomith
I've talked myself into trusting katsuki for the moment
I currently think that this vote is decent

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #181 (isolation #7) » Fri Dec 29, 2023 4:02 pm

In post 131, camelCasedSnivy wrote: leave the poor dude alone

Vote Naerys

In post 132, camelCasedSnivy wrote: and somehow I did not notice that there's an inventor

I am immediately not vibing with this entry
I like Naerys so far, so the vote's a problem for me
I also dislike the inventor thing being "unnoticed"
it's in the thread title, pretty hard to be missed

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #182 (isolation #8) » Fri Dec 29, 2023 4:07 pm

In post 145, Black wrote: 141 kinda feels like a town post

VOTE: Gamma

I'll help push here instead

why are you backing a vote openly founded by lies?
you do not seem to be viewing things with clear eyes

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #189 (isolation #9) » Fri Dec 29, 2023 4:35 pm

In post 184, camelCasedSnivy wrote:
In post 181, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 131, camelCasedSnivy wrote: leave the poor dude alone

Vote Naerys

In post 132, camelCasedSnivy wrote: and somehow I did not notice that there's an inventor
I am immediately not vibing with this entry
I like Naerys so far, so the vote's a problem for me
I also dislike the inventor thing being "unnoticed"
it's in the thread title, pretty hard to be missed
i find it weird that my vote is really bad when naerys' vote was caused by a joke?

man

It really sounds whiny, when you compare those votes that way
since saying Naerys voted over a joke is not what I'd say
unless your talking about that katsuki vote, in which case
I must say "your response timing sucks" to your face

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #191 (isolation #10) » Fri Dec 29, 2023 4:37 pm

Nothing in Thomith's play even slightly feels unserious
if you see it that way I might call you delirious

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #192 (isolation #11) » Fri Dec 29, 2023 4:39 pm

that's kinda untrue, but the point I'm trying to make
is that thomith's approach to the claim seems not-jokey, my dear snake

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #195 (isolation #12) » Fri Dec 29, 2023 4:42 pm

your questions do not feels especially worth my time
and I feel no need to justify my speaking in rhyme

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #254 (isolation #13) » Sat Dec 30, 2023 6:47 am

I really don’t vibe with the Naerys votes
So my current chance of townreading those two is remote

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #258 (isolation #14) » Sat Dec 30, 2023 7:34 am

CCS is the the one I find more shady
He feels like 2317, but I’m not sure about Kitty

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #267 (isolation #15) » Sat Dec 30, 2023 7:51 am

Really just a vibe that I’m receiving
I caught him similarly there, think I can smell the deceiving

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #300 (isolation #16) » Sat Dec 30, 2023 8:19 am

In post 265, Thomith wrote:
In post 259, DragonEater70 wrote:
In post 241, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
In post 235, Black wrote:
In post 7, DragonEater70 wrote:
In post 5, Naerys wrote: I rolled a dice and it told me that there is Dragonwolf in this game
VOTE: DragonEater70
Oh noooo how did you find me out so quickly

VOTE: DragonEater70

In post 30, DragonEater70 wrote: This game is boring

I claim mafia

VOTE: DragonEater70

In post 232, DragonEater70 wrote:
In post 220, Black wrote: VOTE: Dragon
VOTE: Dragon

Let's go.
Why do you do this
VOTE: Dragon
Bad vote

VOTE: Kyuoko
Why is this a bad vote, compared to the other people that voted you?

In post 254, Gamma Emerald wrote: I really don’t vibe with the Naerys votes
So my current chance of townreading those two is remote
Do you think Naerys is town?

Yes I do, I felt that was obvious
But I’m quite dismayed she thinks I’m sus
I want her to try and rationalize the read
See what theoretical scum motive grows from the seed

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #319 (isolation #17) » Sat Dec 30, 2023 8:55 am

I’ve only this once before to memory, so I’m concerned
What data davesaz thinks he can upturn

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #320 (isolation #18) » Sat Dec 30, 2023 8:57 am

In post 319, Gamma Emerald wrote: I’ve only *done* this once before to memory, so I’m concerned
What data davesaz thinks he can upturn

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #327 (isolation #19) » Sat Dec 30, 2023 10:59 am

I played in a game where it was solved in RVS, as scum
I can promise it was not fun

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #329 (isolation #20) » Sat Dec 30, 2023 11:06 am

I’m willing to stretch the rhyme a tad
Otherwise my posting frequency would be abysmally bad

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #417 (isolation #21) » Mon Jan 01, 2024 10:09 am

I’m in a substantial low-motivation phase
I’ll try to do things once out if this haze

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #418 (isolation #22) » Mon Jan 01, 2024 11:22 am

In post 393, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
In post 319, Gamma Emerald wrote: I’ve only this once before to memory, so I’m concerned
What data davesaz thinks he can upturn
I feel like I've seen you do this before so maybe I was in the game the one time it happened, cant remember the game though

Based on the timeframe, I would probably guess
You spectated that game as it was live, yes

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #420 (isolation #23) » Mon Jan 01, 2024 1:23 pm

In post 384, Black wrote: I think Thomith, Hu, and Gamma are probably the most likely to be town. I like the solving energy out of this group

Naerys and Dragon fall into the tier below them but I kinda want to drop Naerys a bit lower

I don't really know what to think about Dave and Cele. CCS and Kitty could go either way but if Hu is town then I want to trust her read on Kitty. I don't think they are scum together fwiw

Kyouko and katsuki could be scum. I do like how katsuki is holding some things close to her chest though, and she's ignoring some questions in a way that makes me think there's some solving going on there and she doesn't want to give too much info. I think I would be fine keeping her around longer

So lim pool is something like {kyouko, Dave, Cele, kitty, CCS} I guess

I’m not fully on board but I like where you’re going
That pool seems like a good route to get scum blood flowing.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #421 (isolation #24) » Mon Jan 01, 2024 1:31 pm

My dear dave, how do you do?
I have a tiny question for you
Out slips that “do not exist”
Does TMI belong on that list?

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #422 (isolation #25) » Mon Jan 01, 2024 1:34 pm

In post 420, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 384, Black wrote: I think Thomith, Hu, and Gamma are probably the most likely to be town. I like the solving energy out of this group

Naerys and Dragon fall into the tier below them but I kinda want to drop Naerys a bit lower

I don't really know what to think about Dave and Cele. CCS and Kitty could go either way but if Hu is town then I want to trust her read on Kitty. I don't think they are scum together fwiw

Kyouko and katsuki could be scum. I do like how katsuki is holding some things close to her chest though, and she's ignoring some questions in a way that makes me think there's some solving going on there and she doesn't want to give too much info. I think I would be fine keeping her around longer

So lim pool is something like {kyouko, Dave, Cele, kitty, CCS} I guess
I’m not fully on board but I like where you’re going
That pool seems like a good route to get scum blood flowing.

on further reflection I’d like to clarify
Kitty or Snivy are the ones I’d prefer to see die
The only other that feels like possible scum right now
Is celeb, so I do somewhat wonder how
Dave and kyouko are feeling sketchy to you
Is explaining something you’re willing to do?

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #423 (isolation #26) » Mon Jan 01, 2024 1:41 pm

In post 407, Black wrote: I don't like his initial reaction to Katsuki's juggernaut claim (70) and I think him being so easily open to the idea of finally witnessing a slip doesn't mesh with his opinion that slips never happen in 213

This might be the part of this post
That ends up sticking with me the most
However, I would very much prefer
To my explanation temporarily defer

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #425 (isolation #27) » Mon Jan 01, 2024 2:58 pm

Katsuki’s return lifted my mood
The rhyming is a result of my good ‘tude.
Last I rhymed it was because of the game’s flavor
Don’t think it was truly on brand but I think it did a favor
I found 2 scum in the first 2 days
Unfortunately this success didn’t carry all the way
But I am feeling a slump, so this lyrical reprise
I’m hoping will help me see thing through fresh eyes.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #427 (isolation #28) » Mon Jan 01, 2024 3:24 pm

I felt there might have been TMI earlier so I wanted your input
on whether that would be something for which you might look

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #454 (isolation #29) » Tue Jan 02, 2024 8:08 am

In post 444, Katsuki wrote:
In post 402, biancospino wrote:
votecount
Votecount 1-XI

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to hammer, or 6 to decide for no execution.

Naerys (3):
camelCasedSnivy, KittyTacky, Katsuki

DragonEater70 (3):
Hu Tao, ssbm_Kyouko, Thomith

Thomith (2):
Naerys, Gamma Emerald

ssbm_Kyouko (1):
DragonEater70

davesaz (1):
Black

Not Voting (2):
davesaz, Celebloki

notes

The deadline is due in (expired on 2024-01-07 07:46:06).

You can find the combined mod ISO here

Celebloki is V/LA 'till 01/JAN

I'll be thoroughly amused later on if it turned out the leading wagons were both on scum.

It’s happened before but it took substantial luck
And a scumteam presence describable in one word: suck

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #455 (isolation #30) » Tue Jan 02, 2024 8:13 am

In post 446, davesaz wrote:
In post 179, Gamma Emerald wrote: Thomith I can see as a decent suspect
since if katsuki is town scum would detect
the ruse of her Juggernaut claim quite readily
and could lead to how he's pushed certain people so heavily
Fine, I'll directly answer this.
I don't think
anyone
would actually believe a Juggernaut claim, and I don't think anyone would true claim it.
TMI is not required to take that position.

My TMI read is mostly founded
On how strong Thomith’s opinion sounded
Felt less like town trying to sort things
And more like scum in search of easy pickings

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #459 (isolation #31) » Tue Jan 02, 2024 8:26 am

VOTE: CCS
I think Snivy is a fine vote
And on that VC I did note
All Thomith voters were ones called out in post 108
So I’m feeling like giving that a break

I’m forcing this next bit by rhyming with orange
If you are active and have less posts than me, that’s kinda cringe
I’m hindered by my choice to rhyme
So you should have outposted me by this time

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #496 (isolation #32) » Tue Jan 02, 2024 10:56 am

Calling CCS a lurker wagon feels like a try at deception
The marginal content he’s posted is my read’s real conception

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #518 (isolation #33) » Tue Jan 02, 2024 12:35 pm

Most of CCS’ new posts don’t sway me from the cause
But the reaction to the wagon formation gives me pause

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #553 (isolation #34) » Wed Jan 03, 2024 6:08 am

In post 534, Katsuki wrote:
In post 518, Gamma Emerald wrote: Most of CCS’ new posts don’t sway me from the cause
But the reaction to the wagon formation gives me pause
Whose reaction are you referring to?

I’m speaking of Snivy’s 512 comment
About how fast his wagon went
As well as the dragon train’s being ahead before
I want to see Snivy go into this idea more

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #598 (isolation #35) » Wed Jan 03, 2024 9:38 am

In post 580, Naerys wrote: Gamma/Dave in my scum reads might be bcz i dont really vibe with all those rhymes. At the beginning it was funny but it kinda got old quickly.

Last game I did this I stopped after Day 1
I might keep going if function isn’t being overrun

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #601 (isolation #36) » Wed Jan 03, 2024 9:39 am

In post 562, Naerys wrote: Hey, Black actually doesnt really look good there.

This post really comes out of nowhere
What prompted this, oh Naerys most fair?

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #622 (isolation #37) » Wed Jan 03, 2024 2:36 pm

In post 612, davesaz wrote:
In post 563, Naerys wrote: Its just a feeling that something fishy is going on here
You know how Gamma ATEs when people take sideswipes?
Now think again about how I'm posting.

I'd like if you could explain in detail what you mean
I'm not happy about what you're doing if it's what I managed to glean

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #632 (isolation #38) » Wed Jan 03, 2024 3:46 pm

In post 622, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 612, davesaz wrote:
In post 563, Naerys wrote: Its just a feeling that something fishy is going on here
You know how Gamma ATEs when people take sideswipes?
Now think again about how I'm posting.
I'd like if you could explain in detail what you mean
I'm not happy about what you're doing if it's what I managed to glean

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #635 (isolation #39) » Wed Jan 03, 2024 3:53 pm

JacksonVirgo, I would like to solicit
whether your catch-up is complete, on hiatus, or quit

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #658 (isolation #40) » Wed Jan 03, 2024 4:13 pm

In post 640, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 635, Gamma Emerald wrote: JacksonVirgo, I would like to solicit
whether your catch-up is complete, on hiatus, or quit
I probably should go back over the last 10 pages as I skimmed but I probably won't, I feel it's probably better use of my time to just carry on from what it is now

I feel like you walked away with opinions on only half of the players
so I'd appreciate if your reading went deeper by a few layers

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #707 (isolation #41) » Wed Jan 03, 2024 5:43 pm

In post 686, Katsuki wrote: Normally I'd be perfectly fine with D1 nomming CCS slot contribution, but I really don't like how that wagon came about. We went from stalled wagons 3 votes apiece on Dragon, Naerys and Thomith, with Thomith being the counterwagon with dragon and naerys voting for him, to suddenly being able to construct a wagon on the lurker. Nothing in his posting had changed, he could've been voted or examined at any time during the day, but no one thought to mention him at all until it came to WAGON HO!

I find this take somewhat disingenuous
I had mentioned CCS earlier on as a player I found suspicious
I spoke of it in post 258, much earlier than
the vote count with the triple-tied wagons
I already brought up how the names on Thomith gave me hesitation
I felt more attached to my Thomith vote until that rumination

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #761 (isolation #42) » Thu Jan 04, 2024 3:44 am

I think when it comes to the day ending wagon
I’m fine if it’s either Snivy or Dragon

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #819 (isolation #43) » Thu Jan 04, 2024 7:44 am

Lots of stuff happening while I’m away
I’ll try to sort through it during the evening today

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #888 (isolation #44) » Thu Jan 04, 2024 11:23 am

In post 876, Black wrote: My avatar is from Pokemon but it's a little more obscure so only the real cool kids will recognize it

I chuckled when I saw you were Zinnia
ftr I am a character from Paldea

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #908 (isolation #45) » Thu Jan 04, 2024 1:17 pm

In post 907, Katsuki wrote: At this point, I'm half amused by watching to see who actually gets deadline nom'ed because we're 2 days out and still can't seem to come to a consensus. Scum are obviously fine with this gamestate so long as the wagon isn't on them. Hopefully those of you who are town start focusing up.

I am still of the opinion that Dragon has a high probability to flip scum here, and provides us the most information pertaining to the alignment of other players to crack this game wide open.

I believe this happened in the game where I rhymed previously
I ended up sniffing out a scum that was slanking deviously
I don't think we need to vote out another low-content slot
But I think taking the road less traveled is worth a shot

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #927 (isolation #46) » Thu Jan 04, 2024 2:34 pm

VOTE: kyouko
While I think Dragon is a fine place to go,
I want to vote somewhere less covered, that being kyouko
honestly kyouko fits the bill of the scum I voted in the past rhyming game
since I regard both slot's content involving me as lame

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #935 (isolation #47) » Thu Jan 04, 2024 5:03 pm

I believe in that other game the D1 lim wagon came together in under a day
so there is plenty of time in reality, I'd say!

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #938 (isolation #48) » Thu Jan 04, 2024 5:13 pm

it's more of a body-of-work concept
there's a seeming apathy towards me that I just can't accept

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #946 (isolation #49) » Thu Jan 04, 2024 5:51 pm

Spoiler:

I believe this to be a comprehensive compendium
of games where me and kyouko stood in the same stadium
Though I think it was a bad idea to take this measure
because looking back at mini 2238 for a split second spiked my blood pressure

Gamma Emerald · Fri Jan 05, 2024 12:27 pm

In post 1064, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: I feel like Gamma, and others in this game (off the top of my head Black, Naerys, DE70, Thomith, and maybe davesaz and Hu Tao) should all know that 'apathy' toward Gamma is my standard play. I wouldn't call it apathy so much as deference? I have an easier time sorting her from the sides.

I feel like alignments are easier to deduce
If solvable behavior you try to induce

Gamma Emerald · Fri Jan 05, 2024 12:49 pm

Could you try to find some different angle?
My goal to reduce emotional outbursts your reads it will mangle.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1099 (isolation #52) » Sun Jan 07, 2024 4:10 pm

In post 1098, Black wrote: I don't think it's likely that all 3 scum were on the Naerys wagon

Which means there's at least one scum in {Gamma, Thomith, Jackson, Dragon}

Alternatively: that wagon was god-awful and we should kill on it.
VOTE: Camel
Still don’t trust you.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1108 (isolation #53) » Sun Jan 07, 2024 4:24 pm

I feel Naerys’ claim was towny
I was trying to figure out how to put that into rhyme when the wagon got blitzed

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1114 (isolation #54) » Sun Jan 07, 2024 5:09 pm

In post 1111, Black wrote:
In post 1108, Gamma Emerald wrote: I feel Naerys’ claim was towny
I was trying to figure out how to put that into rhyme when the wagon got blitzed
I don't really like this post

There were like 3 days between Naerys's claim and her wagon popping off

I didn’t really process it as necessary to mention until the wagon popped off

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1116 (isolation #55) » Sun Jan 07, 2024 6:11 pm

VOTE: Dragon

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1133 (isolation #56) » Sun Jan 07, 2024 7:03 pm

dave is actually a player I probably trust more out of the votes on Naerys

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1135 (isolation #57) » Sun Jan 07, 2024 7:14 pm

Oh yeah, I was also gonna say that was god-awful but couldn’t find away to put that in rhyme either

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1168 (isolation #58) » Mon Jan 08, 2024 6:38 am

In post 1163, Hu Tao wrote: Actually I think I wanna vote Dragon. But not sure if I want him at e-1 yet. I want more discussions today.

What do you want to discuss?

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1177 (isolation #59) » Mon Jan 08, 2024 8:37 am

So nothing of value, noted.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1181 (isolation #60) » Mon Jan 08, 2024 8:44 am

Coward.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1184 (isolation #61) » Mon Jan 08, 2024 8:48 am

One of Black/Hu Tao is scum with Dragon, 100%
Last scum is on the Naerys wagon

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1186 (isolation #62) » Mon Jan 08, 2024 8:51 am

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1189 (isolation #63) » Mon Jan 08, 2024 8:52 am

In post 1187, Thomith wrote: UNVOTE:
VOTE: Hu Tao

Good moxie but let’s vote out Dragon first

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1197 (isolation #64) » Mon Jan 08, 2024 9:00 am

My opinion on kyouko has changed since 927

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1201 (isolation #65) » Mon Jan 08, 2024 9:01 am

In post 1199, Hu Tao wrote: Okay. I'm not going to try and tip toe around this anymore.

Kyouko do you have a guilty on dragon or no?

Buh-buh-busted!

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1203 (isolation #66) » Mon Jan 08, 2024 9:03 am

I was going to try to roleswap with Kyouko if another person left the Dragon wagon
Hu Tao trying to stall for time was absolutely heinous

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1208 (isolation #67) » Mon Jan 08, 2024 9:06 am

I was hoping to full send the wagon, but it was definitely a stretch. But you dilly-dallying probably ruined it

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1211 (isolation #68) » Mon Jan 08, 2024 9:07 am

VOTE: Hu Tao

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1219 (isolation #69) » Mon Jan 08, 2024 9:10 am

I still think you wanting to “discuss” felt very disingenuous.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1233 (isolation #70) » Mon Jan 08, 2024 9:19 am

In post 1221, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 1219, Gamma Emerald wrote: I still think you wanting to “discuss” felt very disingenuous.

Am I wrong? You are not really a person who likes to go into major detail from what I know. As such you wanting “more time to discuss” doesn’t really feel like it’s your style. My theory is you’re covering for Dragon here so he can slip away, I am keenly aware that giving scum more time is a bad idea.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1240 (isolation #71) » Mon Jan 08, 2024 9:23 am

In post 1235, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 1233, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1221, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 1219, Gamma Emerald wrote: I still think you wanting to “discuss” felt very disingenuous.

Am I wrong? You are not really a person who likes to go into major detail from what I know. As such you wanting “more time to discuss” doesn’t really feel like it’s your style. My theory is you’re covering for Dragon here so he can slip away, I am keenly aware that giving scum more time is a bad idea.
I'm a changed woman. I've seen that me not explaining things in detail has caused issues. So I am trying to improve on that.

okay
Can you give some posts where you’ve done that this game?

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1244 (isolation #72) » Mon Jan 08, 2024 9:25 am

In post 1237, Black wrote:
In post 1228, Thomith wrote:
In post 1225, Black wrote: {Gamma, Thomith, Jackson, Dragon}

I want to fade in this group
Why has your read on me changed?
Still the Jackson thing from yesterday?
These 4 were off the Naerys wagon and I don't think the entire scum team was on that wagon

Aside from that though I'm having a similar problem that I had in Micro Normal 1094. Some of your posts just gut ping me the wrong way

Issue with your pool is, unless one or less scum was on Naerys, it is still statistically better to look at those on the wagon.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1247 (isolation #73) » Mon Jan 08, 2024 9:27 am

I only really voted you because I thought there was a guilty. I still want to look at those that voted Naerys most of all.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1253 (isolation #74) » Mon Jan 08, 2024 9:28 am

In post 1246, Black wrote:
In post 1233, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1221, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 1219, Gamma Emerald wrote: I still think you wanting to “discuss” felt very disingenuous.

Am I wrong? You are not really a person who likes to go into major detail from what I know. As such you wanting “more time to discuss” doesn’t really feel like it’s your style. My theory is you’re covering for Dragon here so he can slip away, I am keenly aware that giving scum more time is a bad idea.
Why do you scumread Dragon? For the millionth time

I do have sone concerns with his D1 actions but I was substantially overstating things to try and push the presumed guilty

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1258 (isolation #75) » Mon Jan 08, 2024 9:30 am

In post 1252, DragonEater70 wrote: Then if you think I'm not scum, why is it scummy for Hu Tao to stall? Still makes no sense to me

I still think there’s something goofy about the way she’s giving intent to hammer
5 minutes is a pretty fucking short window, to start with. I don’t remember what exactly was going on but that happened while I was away D1.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1260 (isolation #76) » Mon Jan 08, 2024 9:31 am

In post 1257, Thomith wrote:
In post 1244, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1237, Black wrote:
In post 1228, Thomith wrote:
In post 1225, Black wrote: {Gamma, Thomith, Jackson, Dragon}

I want to fade in this group
Why has your read on me changed?
Still the Jackson thing from yesterday?
These 4 were off the Naerys wagon and I don't think the entire scum team was on that wagon

Aside from that though I'm having a similar problem that I had in Micro Normal 1094. Some of your posts just gut ping me the wrong way
Issue with your pool is, unless one or less scum was on Naerys, it is still statistically better to look at those on the wagon.
To be fair, I think smaller pools are easier to to look into than larger pools early.

>:/

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1269 (isolation #77) » Mon Jan 08, 2024 9:34 am

I’m feeling good about Thomith town so I disagree that the latter group has good odds of hitting scum

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1272 (isolation #78) » Mon Jan 08, 2024 9:35 am

In post 1267, Black wrote:
In post 1076, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
In post 1069, Black wrote:
In post 1067, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: Ok but your solvable behavior, for me, is when you get emotional over something. I don't want to induce that intentionally over a game
Can you elaborate on this? I've seen Gamma get emotional as scum and I've also seen her act really nonchalant as scum. I think you're probably better at reading her than I am so I'm curious what you think
The easiest way to explain is that Gamma as town is at 100% cause to reaction ratio. As scum she either overdoes it or isnt fully in it and is more at either 90% or 110% ratio. Maybe even 95/105. The difference is small and hard to quantify. I dont know how I know when I know, I just do. It feels fruitless to try to explain how it works

In post 1077, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: And it's also worth noting I've found that due to.my frequent confbiasing I have better success letting Gamma alone for a while so when I do move to read her my read is not prejudiced.
Kyouko I thought you didn't have a strong Gamma read yet? Are you saying you townread her now?

What do YOU think?

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1281 (isolation #79) » Mon Jan 08, 2024 9:37 am

VOTE: Black
I’m not as gung ho about Hu Tao anymore and this feels like Black trying to drive a wedge into the gamestate

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1295 (isolation #80) » Mon Jan 08, 2024 9:44 am

Do you think zero scum were on-wagon?

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1302 (isolation #81) » Mon Jan 08, 2024 9:47 am

In post 1299, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 1298, Black wrote:
In post 1296, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 1293, Black wrote:
In post 1291, Hu Tao wrote: I think Dragon is the vote today. Because if he's scum we turbo vote gamma. And kyouko is pretty lock town if gamma is also scum.
Why can't gamma and kyouko be scum together?
If Dragon is scum I think gamma thought kyouko had a guilty on her partner.
Oh I see, you are assuming Dragon is scum here

If Dragon is town do you think kyouko/gamma has any equity?
Possibly but not necessarily as a team but individually

Clunky post

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1321 (isolation #82) » Mon Jan 08, 2024 9:58 am

In post 1304, Thomith wrote: I think I'm still between Hu Tao, CCS, Katsuki, Dave

Why dave? I liked his approach to me D1

Gamma Emerald · Mon Jan 08, 2024 10:00 am

In post 1314, DragonEater70 wrote: I'm very confused why you are assuming at least one scum off wagon but not at least one scum on wagon? It feels like fabricated math.

Ew
I don’t agree with the underlying assumptions kyouko had but that doesn’t make it fabricated

Gamma Emerald · Mon Jan 08, 2024 10:06 am

In post 1327, Black wrote:
In post 1323, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: Gamma doesn't assume I have a guilty if she knows you're town, which she would know if she were scum and you were town. Therefore if you are town, she can't be scum. I'm not as sure on this as I am on how I read Gamma but I'm pretty sure this is the way she would think
I don't think this is true. Gamma would still have to play it out like a townie would, and she was adamant about wanting to quickfade and end the day. If Dragon flipped town then she could just use the excuse that she thought you had a guilty.
I think this could come from either town!Gamma
or scum!Gamma

frfr?

Gamma Emerald · Mon Jan 08, 2024 10:11 am

In post 1330, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
In post 1327, Black wrote:
In post 1323, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: Gamma doesn't assume I have a guilty if she knows you're town, which she would know if she were scum and you were town. Therefore if you are town, she can't be scum. I'm not as sure on this as I am on how I read Gamma but I'm pretty sure this is the way she would think
I don't think this is true. Gamma would still have to play it out like a townie would, and she was adamant about wanting to quickfade and end the day. If Dragon flipped town then she could just use the excuse that she thought you had a guilty. I think this could come from either town!Gamma or scum!Gamma
@Gamma am I being too presumptuous about how you think here? Am I wrong?

Here’s my idea. I would know you didn’t have a guilty if I’m scum and Dragon is town. But there’s the possibility that I can pretend to think that you had one. Thus if someone wants to argue me!scum and Dragon!town, their burden of proof is to show that thought process from me.

Gamma Emerald · Mon Jan 08, 2024 10:15 am

In post 1340, Katsuki wrote:
In post 1307, Hu Tao wrote: Well majority seems to think there is a scum in kyouko/gamma/Dragon.
Possibly two

Now the question is, which players do you think believe in that latter statement?

Can you explain why you ask this once Hu Tao answers?

Gamma Emerald · Mon Jan 08, 2024 10:18 am

Gamma Emerald · Mon Jan 08, 2024 10:31 am

In post 1349, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 1340, Katsuki wrote:
In post 1307, Hu Tao wrote: Well majority seems to think there is a scum in kyouko/gamma/Dragon.
Possibly two

Now the question is, which players do you think believe in that latter statement?
The people that were talking at the time

so just you and black

hardly a majority!

Gamma Emerald · Mon Jan 08, 2024 10:32 am

oh that's what you meant there, thought you were saying majority of people thought there could be 2 scum in that pool of 3

Gamma Emerald · Mon Jan 08, 2024 11:23 am

In post 1356, Black wrote:
In post 1197, Gamma Emerald wrote: My opinion on kyouko has changed since 927
What were the factors that led you to reverse your read on her

I reconsidered how logical her approach to me was. mainly

Gamma Emerald · Mon Jan 08, 2024 11:25 am

In post 1357, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: Alright, I thought you were more black and white when you rolled scum

you aren't the first to think so. I STILL don't get how prism thought I liked to bus my buddies. I like distancing, yes, but I'm far more likely to spread them out

Gamma Emerald · Mon Jan 08, 2024 11:42 am

sup wolf

Gamma Emerald · Mon Jan 08, 2024 11:59 am

In post 1379, Dannflor wrote: gamma is town for rhyming

why??? That was a point of contention time-of

Gamma Emerald · Mon Jan 08, 2024 12:00 pm

okay…

Gamma Emerald · Mon Jan 08, 2024 12:31 pm

In post 1398, Dannflor wrote: im actually town reading ccs 12 pages in which basically never happens lol

I want you to weigh in on my cCS read when you get there

Gamma Emerald · Mon Jan 08, 2024 12:45 pm

In post 1416, Dannflor wrote:
In post 1414, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1398, Dannflor wrote: im actually town reading ccs 12 pages in which basically never happens lol
I want you to weigh in on my cCS read when you get there
if you'd like to reiterate it now there's a better chance I'll get to it

I got a similar vibe to mini 2317, mainly

Gamma Emerald · Mon Jan 08, 2024 12:46 pm

In post 1418, Katsuki wrote:
In post 1233, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1221, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 1219, Gamma Emerald wrote: I still think you wanting to “discuss” felt very disingenuous.

Am I wrong? You are not really a person who likes to go into major detail from what I know. As such you wanting “more time to discuss” doesn’t really feel like it’s your style. My theory is you’re covering for Dragon here so he can slip away, I am keenly aware that giving scum more time is a bad idea.
Reminder for you to keep this on your mind later in the game once you have more flips to work with.

Do you scumread Hu Tao?

Gamma Emerald · Mon Jan 08, 2024 12:47 pm

In post 1422, Dannflor wrote:
In post 1421, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1416, Dannflor wrote:
In post 1414, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1398, Dannflor wrote: im actually town reading ccs 12 pages in which basically never happens lol
I want you to weigh in on my cCS read when you get there
if you'd like to reiterate it now there's a better chance I'll get to it
I got a similar vibe to mini 2317, mainly
mmm i haven't really seen it, if you have specific comparisons I'll look at them

but snivy seems more full of life here so far

What exactly seems full of life, he felt very flat early imo

Gamma Emerald · Mon Jan 08, 2024 12:47 pm

bloop

Gamma Emerald · Mon Jan 08, 2024 12:49 pm

In post 941, camelCasedSnivy wrote:
In post 487, Thomith wrote: I feel lost so ima sheep a town read

VOTE: CCS
which townread was it? if it was black you could join us now

In post 942, camelCasedSnivy wrote: *and if its gamma emerald ill sheep you on ssbm_kyouko

These posts are also really bad

Gamma Emerald · Mon Jan 08, 2024 12:50 pm

In post 1426, Black wrote: At this point I'm willing to leave Dannflor alive to let him cook

Can we fade Katsuki instead? I don't think her reads are real

VOTE: Katsuki

You do you, but I want to put Dann to the fire

Gamma Emerald · Mon Jan 08, 2024 2:03 pm

In post 1436, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 1302, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1299, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 1298, Black wrote:
In post 1296, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 1293, Black wrote:
In post 1291, Hu Tao wrote: I think Dragon is the vote today. Because if he's scum we turbo vote gamma. And kyouko is pretty lock town if gamma is also scum.
Why can't gamma and kyouko be scum together?
If Dragon is scum I think gamma thought kyouko had a guilty on her partner.
Oh I see, you are assuming Dragon is scum here

If Dragon is town do you think kyouko/gamma has any equity?
Possibly but not necessarily as a team but individually
Clunky post
This reads as purely meant to discredit

Am I wrong? There is no punctuation, and she says “but” twice. It’s clunky, and feels waffly

Gamma Emerald · Mon Jan 08, 2024 2:06 pm

In post 1452, camelCasedSnivy wrote:
In post 1427, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 941, camelCasedSnivy wrote:
In post 487, Thomith wrote: I feel lost so ima sheep a town read

VOTE: CCS
which townread was it? if it was black you could join us now

In post 942, camelCasedSnivy wrote: *and if its gamma emerald ill sheep you on ssbm_kyouko
These posts are also really bad
how?

You’re trying to twist Thomith’s own words against him, by suggesting that if he’s sheeping a townread, he should be voting where that person is currently voting instead of you. It’s naked defensive deflection.

Gamma Emerald · Mon Jan 08, 2024 2:08 pm

In post 1506, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 1504, Gamma Emerald wrote: Am I wrong? There is no punctuation, and she says “but” twice. It’s clunky, and feels waffly
I mean clunky in what sense? Like purposefully clunky? Because it reads perfectly fine to me as a thought they had, if you're commenting on her writing style and not meaning anything beyond it, why?

Grammatically clunky
I think sometimes scum will make oopsies in how posts are written that indicate their scum mindset. The double-but comes across to me as being fearful of getting locked into a read.

Gamma Emerald · Mon Jan 08, 2024 2:09 pm

In post 1461, Black wrote:
In post 1457, camelCasedSnivy wrote:
In post 1430, Dannflor wrote: VOTE: jackson virgo

would rather kill a slot that has been sitting back and letting black / katsuki do all the work
i also found this funny coming from your slot but i guess i can't blame you for that either

if dragoneater wasn't replaced for whatever reason i would vote him
If you think Dragon is scum then you should vote for him

This just feels like an excuse not to

Yeah that’s icky, I have used a replacement as an excuse to hop off a bus

Gamma Emerald · Mon Jan 08, 2024 2:10 pm

In post 1464, camelCasedSnivy wrote: sure

Vote: Dannflor

mmhmm

Gamma Emerald · Mon Jan 08, 2024 2:12 pm

In post 1514, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1464, camelCasedSnivy wrote: sure

Vote: Dannflor

mmhmm

Spoiler: image to add context to this noise

Gamma Emerald · Mon Jan 08, 2024 2:15 pm

Imma keep it real, I’m not paying attention to katsuki vs. Black

Gamma Emerald · Mon Jan 08, 2024 2:33 pm

intent to hammer

I actually feel somewhat better about JV after our exchange, and since I already TR Thomith and know I’m town, that just leaves Dragon/Dannflor as the only person who can be scum off-wagon.

Gamma Emerald · Mon Jan 08, 2024 2:34 pm

Yes @JV

Gamma Emerald · Mon Jan 08, 2024 2:38 pm

In post 1543, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 1542, Gamma Emerald wrote: Yes @JV
What about it? I don't see how that could strengthen or weaken a read, like at all

it’s the way you concluded the interaction that feels towny. It felt like you had a real attachment to your opinion on the matter so while my point made sense, you wanted to stick to your guns

Gamma Emerald · Mon Jan 08, 2024 2:45 pm

Whoever said sorting a smaller pool is easier was right *shrug*

Gamma Emerald · Mon Jan 08, 2024 2:54 pm

In post 1549, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 1548, Gamma Emerald wrote: Whoever said sorting a smaller pool is easier was right *shrug*
Assuming we're all right on Dragon and they flip red, what's your other solve? Not talking about associative reads I couldn't care less but if you use them then go ham

probably cCS + maybe kitty? He’s fallen off my radar for some reason
Ftr I feel tepid on all of Katsuki, Black, and HT rn.

Gamma Emerald · Mon Jan 08, 2024 2:56 pm

In post 1550, JacksonVirgo wrote: And if he flips green, where do you stand

I probably lean thomith as off-wagon scum, and I end up suspecting cCS less as a consequence of that

Gamma Emerald · Mon Jan 08, 2024 3:04 pm

The thing with you was a direct engagement so I feel more invested in it. I also think cCS has vague partner equity there, and don’t see cCS and thomith as partnered because of the appeal on the sheeping thing

Gamma Emerald · Mon Jan 08, 2024 3:08 pm

Gamma Emerald · Mon Jan 08, 2024 5:22 pm

lol, I was mainly just trying to express how that “mmhmm” was supposed to sound

Gamma Emerald · Tue Jan 09, 2024 8:08 am

In post 1617, JacksonVirgo wrote: Also
@Gamma
, off topic but that quote you got in your sig. Do you have it there cuz you like the quote or you like the person too? Cuz I felt that quote was so good so I looked up more of her stuff and

I think the quote is one I need to keep in mind a lot. I’m not on board with all of her other ideas.

Gamma Emerald · Tue Jan 09, 2024 8:11 am

In post 1629, Thomith wrote:
In post 1628, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 1627, Thomith wrote:
In post 1624, JacksonVirgo wrote: To clarify, I'm not town-reading you by any means I just feel I have to re-center myself and see where I stand
Then I'm wrong about you being tunnelled.
Just more curious than anything but what would you consider the difference between a tunnel and just pushing somebody hard
The difference imo is hard pushing you are willing to see other opinions, or admit you are wrong if other information becomes available, whereas if you are tunnelled, you either dont have many hard reasons for suspecting someone, but do anyway (this was why I said I think I could be tunnelled on Hu Tao), or are not likely to see anything townie a player is doing as enough to get you to stop pushing them.

I had a habit of hard tunneling a read and then flipping it all at once. I’ve always felt it a boon since I get pocketed easily at times, but I have probably improved my ability to hold doubt on townreads to prevent pockets from getting too deep, so I think that habit has died out.

Gamma Emerald · Tue Jan 09, 2024 8:14 am

I feel like I’m short on scumreads I feel good about so I’m going to write out reasons for slots to be scum and see what holds water
This is not an immediate action I’m taking, just a pin I’m putting down to make sure this happens

Gamma Emerald · Tue Jan 09, 2024 8:16 am

In post 1429, Dannflor wrote: gamma - she's got that little private investigator vibe where she's running around checking out leads and getting people to check out pocket reads. i think this is town!gamma. lower confidence than black but another slot that I think I can get a very accurate read on given time.

Which posts give this vibe?

Gamma Emerald · Tue Jan 09, 2024 8:16 am

My last 2 posts are unrelated currently

Gamma Emerald · Tue Jan 09, 2024 8:18 am

In post 1655, Thomith wrote:

JacksonVirgo
Dannflor

Black
Gamma Emerald

ssbm_kyouko

Katsuki
KittyTacky
Hu Tao

davesaz
camelCasedSnivy

You think all scum were on the Naerys lim?

Gamma Emerald · Tue Jan 09, 2024 8:23 am

I don’t think it’s impossible but it requires specific (TBD) personalities on the scumteam imo

Gamma Emerald · Tue Jan 09, 2024 8:28 am

alright, that makes sense

Gamma Emerald · Tue Jan 09, 2024 8:52 am

In post 1682, Hu Tao wrote: Does anyone Town read Snivy? If so why?

Dann does

Gamma Emerald · Tue Jan 09, 2024 8:53 am

This just a meme solve: it would be funny if the team was Dann + cCS + Katsuki

Gamma Emerald · Tue Jan 09, 2024 8:55 am

VOTE: Snivy
alright

Gamma Emerald · Tue Jan 09, 2024 9:24 am

Gamma Emerald · Tue Jan 09, 2024 9:29 am

The way I see it cCS being scum doesn’t preclude Hu Tao’s earlier statement

Gamma Emerald · Tue Jan 09, 2024 10:50 am

In post 1714, Dannflor wrote: why is hu tao probably town to you

Do you disagree?

Gamma Emerald · Tue Jan 09, 2024 11:00 am

In post 1722, Black wrote:
In post 1718, Katsuki wrote: So where does the scumteam fit in then in that case if it's not you and Dann is too low?
Scum is probably like CCS/Thomith/Jackson but I don't have much confidence that this is the complete solve. I work better after some flips and associations

What you make of cCS 491+492 and Thomith’s reaction to those?

Gamma Emerald · Tue Jan 09, 2024 11:07 am

That’s atrocious if real and she flips town

Gamma Emerald · Tue Jan 09, 2024 11:10 am

In post 1739, Katsuki wrote:
In post 1736, Gamma Emerald wrote: That’s atrocious if real and she flips town
Are dayvigs normal now? I thought they weren't lol

pretty sure if it’s an invention it could be?

Gamma Emerald · Tue Jan 09, 2024 11:13 am

Hu Tao, your towngame is one of the worst on this site currently. This is dead serious.

Gamma Emerald · Tue Jan 09, 2024 11:15 am

In post 1753, Dannflor wrote: why are you so convinced hu tao is town

Her thought process feels natural, or at least it did.

Gamma Emerald · Tue Jan 09, 2024 11:16 am

In post 1754, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 1751, Gamma Emerald wrote: Hu Tao, your towngame is one of the worst on this site currently. This is dead serious.
Why?

You seem to recognize the holes in it but I don’t see jack shit from you to patch them. You also consistently go down the most idiotic rabbit holes of logic.

Gamma Emerald · Tue Jan 09, 2024 11:17 am

In post 1757, Dannflor wrote: is her scum read of you natural

I don’t know
Mostly my visceral reaction here is because I don’t want anything to happen before kyouko pops in again, and Hu Tao seems to be trying to force something to happen

Gamma Emerald · Tue Jan 09, 2024 11:22 am

I’m not talking to you anymore.

Gamma Emerald · Tue Jan 09, 2024 11:33 am

I was thinking this gamestate felt like D1 of mini 2317 but I didn’t know who was the Khaos counterpart and who was the Elements counterpart. However, Hu Tao is 100% the Eiralox counterpart so now I need to figure out if Dann is Khaos by right of Eiralox/Hu Tao almost voting out the scum or if it’s cCS by way of Eiralox/Hu Tao acting like an idiot and making it harder to focus in on the scum by driving me up the wall.

Gamma Emerald · Tue Jan 09, 2024 12:45 pm

To be exclusive to the current situation, I find it aggravating that I am calling Dann scum for dayvigging hypothetical town!HT and she finds it somehow problematic enough to completely derail the momentum on Dann. I see no real reason why my post comes off as forced so I just feel like she’s going off the deep end.
I had a similar reaction in mini 2317 when Eiralox decided hypertunneling me was more pro-town than helping consolidate less than 12 hours before deadline.

Gamma Emerald · Wed Jan 10, 2024 7:22 am

I feel like I would lean Dann town in isolation but he’s kinda a player I just hold judgment on until most often I see a solid scumtell, I rarely feel good about Dann!town

Gamma Emerald · Wed Jan 10, 2024 7:27 am

In post 1881, Dannflor wrote: ehhhh I'm leaning Gamma town for the reaction

I think Gamma tends to react extremely emotionally when pressured (especially by surprise) as either alignment but it... reads a little faker when she's scum? I think she's also less likely to care about people pushing her in general as scum

the jump to "Hu Tao you suck as town" feels pretty raw and real and I don't really imagine scum!Gamma would actually feel frustrated enough to go there

These are fair however the “you suck as town” thing is just my opinion and as such I could probably output similar as scum

Gamma Emerald · Wed Jan 10, 2024 7:33 am

Eh it’s not as unusual as it seems imo

Gamma Emerald · Wed Jan 10, 2024 7:34 am

I do want to see Dann push something, it felt like he was gonna push me which would have been very informative since his approach to me in recent games has felt slightly divergent as town/scum

Gamma Emerald · Wed Jan 10, 2024 8:03 am

In post 1054, davesaz wrote: VOTE: Naerys
Time is too short to do much thumb twiddling. We need to make some kind of progress at generating higher wagon numbers so at least that will be available.

Ngl this vote bothers me: there was like 48 hours left at this point? And why Naerys?

Gamma Emerald · Wed Jan 10, 2024 8:11 am

Thinking on it, my issue with how Hu Tao engages me specifically is twofold: she seems to form a read on very little evidence and rarely shift from that initial read, which would not be extremely aggravating if they didn’t end up scumreading me a majority of the time.

Gamma Emerald · Wed Jan 10, 2024 9:11 am

In post 1907, Black wrote:
In post 1906, Gamma Emerald wrote: Thinking on it, my issue with how Hu Tao engages me specifically is twofold: she seems to form a read on very little evidence and rarely shift from that initial read, which would not be extremely aggravating if they didn’t end up scumreading me a majority of the time.
Do you not think Katsuki is doing the exact same thing though? Her reads are the most static out of anyone in the game

Or do you just not have an issue with her when she does it because she townreads you

I haven’t really focused on what katsuki’s done because it hasn’t bothered me on the same level.

Gamma Emerald · Wed Jan 10, 2024 9:16 am

In post 1918, Black wrote:
In post 1916, Thomith wrote: It's not that I don't think it's unlikely, I just see a world where the narrative where all 3 scum couldn't have been on the wagon could be a narrative potentially spread by scum, simply because of how it was almost taken as a fact, with only really you giving anything more to the argument (by you saying you TR enough of the people on-wagon to suspect not all scum were there).
No one said all three scum
can't
be on the wagon though. And iirc is was just me, kyouko, and Gamma saying that we didn't think it was likely? I could be misremembering here and my lunch break is over in 1 minutes so I can't really go look

I’m not in as deep as you or kyouko on that idea but I do think that it takes more effort to justify all scum being on the wagon than it does to justify 1 or 2 being on it

Gamma Emerald · Wed Jan 10, 2024 9:17 am

Would rather not see Kyouko eliminated today

Gamma Emerald · Wed Jan 10, 2024 9:17 am

VOTE: Dannflor

Gamma Emerald · Wed Jan 10, 2024 9:28 am

Why are you voting kyouko? If you scumread her, what’s your case?

Gamma Emerald · Wed Jan 10, 2024 10:11 am

In post 1939, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 1906, Gamma Emerald wrote: Thinking on it, my issue with how Hu Tao engages me specifically is twofold: she seems to form a read on very little evidence and rarely shift from that initial read, which would not be extremely aggravating if they didn’t end up scumreading me a majority of the time.
This has nothing to do with you specifically. I gave a group of 5 people I'd be willing to vote. Stop trying to make things personal please.

you've barely justified the read outside of that + disliking my reaction to the fake vig. So it's not really personal in that post.

Gamma Emerald · Wed Jan 10, 2024 10:35 am

In post 1947, Dannflor wrote:
In post 1938, Gamma Emerald wrote: Why are you voting kyouko? If you scumread her, what’s your case?
i don't have a case

im just not town reading her and would like to get a wagon going on someone I'm not town reading

why you getting so sassy about me voting you then?

Gamma Emerald · Wed Jan 10, 2024 10:43 am

In post 1944, davesaz wrote:
In post 1904, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1054, davesaz wrote: VOTE: Naerys
Time is too short to do much thumb twiddling. We need to make some kind of progress at generating higher wagon numbers so at least that will be available.
Ngl this vote bothers me: there was like 48 hours left at this point? And why Naerys?
For big wagons to be useful they have to happen with enough time to generate movement. Big wagons are utterly necessary if you plan to use voting patterns. Small wagons don't cause panic.
Naerys was highest count at the time.
Any more silly questions?

your vote directly led to the premature elimination that occurred. This response feels like you don't want to be held accountable for that.

Gamma Emerald · Wed Jan 10, 2024 12:27 pm

In post 1955, davesaz wrote:
In post 1951, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1944, davesaz wrote:
In post 1904, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1054, davesaz wrote: VOTE: Naerys
Time is too short to do much thumb twiddling. We need to make some kind of progress at generating higher wagon numbers so at least that will be available.
Ngl this vote bothers me: there was like 48 hours left at this point? And why Naerys?
For big wagons to be useful they have to happen with enough time to generate movement. Big wagons are utterly necessary if you plan to use voting patterns. Small wagons don't cause panic.
Naerys was highest count at the time.
Any more silly questions?
your vote directly led to the premature elimination that occurred. This response feels like you don't want to be held accountable for that.
A lim is needed. I don't know anyone's alignment. So I vote. I don't see any denial there.

What exactly do you think was created/caused by your vote this is useful?

Gamma Emerald · Wed Jan 10, 2024 12:32 pm

that is useful*

Gamma Emerald · Wed Jan 10, 2024 12:34 pm

Well the next next votecount after you voted was the final one of the day. Doesn’t seem very productive to me.

Gamma Emerald · Wed Jan 10, 2024 1:29 pm

In post 1970, davesaz wrote:
In post 1967, Gamma Emerald wrote: Well the next next votecount after you voted was the final one of the day. Doesn’t seem very productive to me.
With a little work, you can determine what the vote count is after every count.
The movement of the votes is what actually matters.
A flip is productive, more productive than a no-lim.
These are extremely basic concepts. I know you understand them.

Sure I understand the concepts, I just don’t understand how you’re applying them.
How about you spell it all out for me at once.

Gamma Emerald · Wed Jan 10, 2024 2:52 pm

In post 1983, davesaz wrote:
In post 1973, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1970, davesaz wrote:
In post 1967, Gamma Emerald wrote: Well the next next votecount after you voted was the final one of the day. Doesn’t seem very productive to me.
With a little work, you can determine what the vote count is after every count.
The movement of the votes is what actually matters.
A flip is productive, more productive than a no-lim.
These are extremely basic concepts. I know you understand them.
Sure I understand the concepts, I just don’t understand how you’re applying them.
How about you spell it all out for me at once.
You're calling my vote sus, I'm proving it is not sus.
That's all.

Gamma Emerald · Wed Jan 10, 2024 2:55 pm

can you walk me through *why* your vote isn't sus step-by-step???

Gamma Emerald · Wed Jan 10, 2024 2:58 pm

In post 1976, Black wrote:
In post 1973, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1970, davesaz wrote:
In post 1967, Gamma Emerald wrote: Well the next next votecount after you voted was the final one of the day. Doesn’t seem very productive to me.
With a little work, you can determine what the vote count is after every count.
The movement of the votes is what actually matters.
A flip is productive, more productive than a no-lim.
These are extremely basic concepts. I know you understand them.
Sure I understand the concepts, I just don’t understand how you’re applying them.
How about you spell it all out for me at once.
What does your readslist look like atm

not sure but I'll say dave has fallen to around null from my earlier TR

Gamma Emerald · Wed Jan 10, 2024 3:13 pm

kyouko
Jackson
black, katsuki, thomith
hu tao, dave
kitty
cCS
dragondann

would say I'm here
I have a gut feeling 1 of black/katsuki/HT is scum but these placements are excluding that generally

Gamma Emerald · Wed Jan 10, 2024 3:55 pm

In post 1992, davesaz wrote:
In post 1987, Gamma Emerald wrote: can you walk me through *why* your vote isn't sus step-by-step???
What I've said is already 100% of the reason. You not accepting it is ringing some serious alarm bells.

It’s not that I can’t or won’t accept it. I just am struggling to piece everything together, and would like it sewn into a whole cloth.

Gamma Emerald · Wed Jan 10, 2024 4:35 pm

In post 2018, Dannflor wrote: VOTE: katsuki

Do you just not care if you live or die? This feels like it’s killing the likelihood that anyone other than you gets voted out.

Gamma Emerald · Wed Jan 10, 2024 4:51 pm

In post 2028, Dannflor wrote: i care about voting scum and im confident i can case it when needed

well you have yet to post a case

Gamma Emerald · Wed Jan 10, 2024 4:59 pm

In post 2014, Black wrote:
In post 2013, Katsuki wrote:
In post 2009, Black wrote: Vote me then. Push me. Explain to the class why I'm scum instead of just popping in with shade every now and then. The confidence in your read mixed with your lack of action makes zero sense from a town!you perspective
Sure it makes sense; I already have a scumwagon at L-1.

You could always just hammer him, and if he flips town, I sheep you the rest of the game no questions asked.
No way this is a real thought. You only think I'm scum if Dragondann is scum, yet you haven't found a townie post in my entire ISO and you think this:
Katsuki wrote:Your scum and town games are so incredibly distinct from one another that it's personally obvious to me. All the things I noticed from this game were missing from every town game of yours, and only present in the scum games.
Like you have got to be joking

where is the second quote from, it piques my interest

Gamma Emerald · Wed Jan 10, 2024 5:01 pm

I see what you're saying about the odd confidence in a read that is a raw associative on some level

Gamma Emerald · Wed Jan 10, 2024 5:03 pm

I want katsuki to explain what things she sees as signs of your scumplay
I don't particularly care for that statement unsubstantiated

Gamma Emerald · Wed Jan 10, 2024 5:18 pm

In post 1993, Black wrote: Was looking at some ISO's and I want to know if anyone else thinks this progression is sus

In post 1099, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1098, Black wrote: I don't think it's likely that all 3 scum were on the Naerys wagon

Which means there's at least one scum in {Gamma, Thomith, Jackson, Dragon}
Alternatively: that wagon was god-awful and we should kill on it.
^Here Gamma rejects my idea of looking off-wagon

In post 1244, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1237, Black wrote:
In post 1228, Thomith wrote:
In post 1225, Black wrote: {Gamma, Thomith, Jackson, Dragon}

I want to fade in this group
Why has your read on me changed?
Still the Jackson thing from yesterday?
These 4 were off the Naerys wagon and I don't think the entire scum team was on that wagon

Aside from that though I'm having a similar problem that I had in Micro Normal 1094. Some of your posts just gut ping me the wrong way
Issue with your pool is, unless one or less scum was on Naerys, it is still statistically better to look at those on the wagon.
^Gamma continues to argue that we should look on-wagon

In post 1247, Gamma Emerald wrote: I only really voted you because I thought there was a guilty. I still want to look at those that voted Naerys most of all.
^Gamma admits she only voted Dragon because she thought there was a guilty on him, and once again confirms that she wants to vote on-wagon

In post 1269, Gamma Emerald wrote: I’m feeling good about Thomith town so I disagree that the latter group has good odds of hitting scum
^Gamma says she doesn't think voting off-wagon has good odds of hitting scum

In post 1538, Gamma Emerald wrote:
intent to hammer

I actually feel somewhat better about JV after our exchange, and since I already TR Thomith and know I’m town, that just leaves Dragon/Dannflor as the only person who can be scum off-wagon.
^Gamma suddenly reverses course when she finds an opportunity to hammer. Her reasoning for declaring intent is because she thinks Dragon is the only person who could be scum off-wagon. Despite constantly arguing that we should vote on-wagon, saying it's statistically better, and even telling Dragon she only voted for him originally because of the "guilty", she almost hammers here

In post 1548, Gamma Emerald wrote: Whoever said sorting a smaller pool is easier was right *shrug*
^This is Gamma's reasoning when called out on this behavior. She throws away statistics, odds, her entire belief that we should fade on-wagon, all because she wanted to take the easier road and hammer someone with 5 days remaining in the deadline. I feel like this sequence is more likely to come from scum

There are a couple posts in between the last two quotes above that don't really track re: Gamma's read on Dragon

In post 1253, Gamma Emerald wrote: I do have some concerns with [Dragon's] D1 actions but I was substantially overstating things to try and push the presumed guilty

In post 1428, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1426, Black wrote: At this point I'm willing to leave Dannflor alive to let him cook

Can we fade Katsuki instead? I don't think her reads are real

VOTE: Katsuki
You do you, but I want to put [Dragon] to the fire
Gamma's progression here doesn't make sense to me. She admitted earlier that she only voted Dragon because of the "guilty", and here she doubles down and says she has some concerns with Dragon's D1 but she overstated them due to the "guilty". Then out of no where, Dragon/Dann plummets to the bottom of her readslist and she has decided to push that from this point onwards. It doesn't feel natural at all. It feels like opportunistic scum

I'd like other opinions on this

idrc about kyouko's meta on this but it's feels full of misrepresentation and bad-faith suggestions

Gamma Emerald · Wed Jan 10, 2024 5:19 pm

In post 2046, Black wrote: I think there's probably two scum in {Katsuki, kyouko, Gamma}

Whichever one of these three gets the most support is where I'll end up

wrong

Gamma Emerald · Wed Jan 10, 2024 5:30 pm

the general issue I have is you're perceiving me as far more against there being scum off the wagon/solving the slots off the wagon than I actually am, and it's impacting the way you see certain posts. My intent to hammer Dann was not as much of a turnaround as you see it since I don't think your idea is unproductive or wrong. I just am going with what I feel is right at times. The initial call to kill on the wagon was an emotional gut reaction to having had a wagon speed to completion on one of my townreads. I think at this point my feelings regarding on and off-wagon slots don't cause me to lean towards one pool or the other being extraordinarily advantageous to nuke through.

Gamma Emerald · Wed Jan 10, 2024 5:46 pm

In post 2057, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
In post 2047, Katsuki wrote:
In post 2041, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: VOTE: Black
This was why I didn't want to seriously push Black today but I couldn't control myself. I don't want to shift attention from one scumwagon to another scumwagon only to watch them both get away at the end of the day.

We focus on dragondann first and Black's alignment will become obvious.
I'm thinking at this point her heels are dug far enough in that either flip will damn the other. I'm still for a Dann lim but we've had opportunity for it to get hammered and Black backed down when intent was given. I want to try to push this at least for a little while - it will definitely be easier to get to Dann with Black out of the way too.

the votes are on Dann, so I'd prefer that
the current goal for me is to do whatever it takes to not let an elim happen on you. There will not be 2 fail wagons on my townreads this game while I have a say in things.

Gamma Emerald · Wed Jan 10, 2024 6:45 pm

In post 2067, Katsuki wrote:
In post 2057, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: I'm thinking at this point her heels are dug far enough in that either flip will damn the other. I'm still for a Dann lim but we've had opportunity for it to get hammered and Black backed down when intent was given. I want to try to push this at least for a little while - it will definitely be easier to get to Dann with Black out of the way too.

Sure. I think the order matters because
Dann is more likely to be a PR than black
, but I won't get in the way of your push.

what is this based on?

Gamma Emerald · Wed Jan 10, 2024 7:21 pm

if Dann is a PR he's a scum PR, this continued defeatism from both members of the slot is not what town PR does.

Gamma Emerald · Wed Jan 10, 2024 7:28 pm

In post 2071, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 2067, Katsuki wrote:
In post 2057, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: I'm thinking at this point her heels are dug far enough in that either flip will damn the other. I'm still for a Dann lim but we've had opportunity for it to get hammered and Black backed down when intent was given. I want to try to push this at least for a little while - it will definitely be easier to get to Dann with Black out of the way too.

Sure. I think the order matters because
Dann is more likely to be a PR than black
, but I won't get in the way of your push.
what is this based on?

In post 2072, Katsuki wrote: Just a hunch.

Thought process is my ISO.

it was a continuation of this exchange

@JV

Gamma Emerald · Wed Jan 10, 2024 7:30 pm

okay so we're on the same page

Gamma Emerald · Thu Jan 11, 2024 3:33 am

In post 2109, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 2100, JacksonVirgo wrote: Thinking about it more, I really don't like Kyo's wagon
Trust. The people who play with her a lot say this isn't her town game