Mini 2321: Classic Commercials (Postgame)

[Roden]

VOTE: Wiz

Hello

[Roden]

Thanks

[Roden]

Scum slip spotted

VOTE: Leaf

[Roden]

Gob might be scum here.

Am I or not? Seems you want to be right either way here.

Do you town read Leaf?

[Roden]

VOTE: Flavor

Gob might be scum here.

Am I or not? Seems you want to be right either way here.

Do you town read Leaf?

I guess this question is answered now. Why do you scum read Leaf? You implied that you thought he was town earlier.

[Roden]

I'm a multi-voter, so I could vote Fob and Gob

[Roden]

I'm a multi-voter, so I could vote Fob and Gob

Where is Bob?

Can't vote him, he's Masons with Mob.

[Roden]

VOTE: Gob

We can speed lim this if we form a mob

[Roden]

alright i finally had my weed and more than 100 calories i wont be in such a bad mood anymor

Felt

[Roden]

Roden - a lot of short posts that also read as quite fluffy to me. I also didn't really like the quicklim comment, which I'll wait for an explanation about before I decide here.

I don't actually want a quicklim, I was just being quirky.

[Roden]

Bingle, Flavor, Roden, one of these are wolfing for sure.

I might even call them a power wolf/

???

I tried to engage with you twice and you ignored me. I even quoted you both times so you would get pinged. How did you arrive to the conclusion that I'm a power wolf??

[Roden]

Oh fuck off lol

[Roden]

This is scum faking obliviousness. The game is only 13 pages long and my ISO is tiny.

[Roden]

I'm sorry that you had a bad day, I can empathize with you there. I still think that's a bad faith response.

[Roden]

My problem at this point is that if you're scum, this looks like you're trying to fake distance yourself from me. Your scum reads reek of "rule of 3" and your callousness towards me feels out of place yet intentional.

[Roden]

Solid town: Thomith - solves, his analysis feels logical and well thought
Maybe town: Flavor - he is aloof, but observing
Bingle -laid back at the beginning, but later he feels like he is trying to sort people

Null: Gob - unreadable pink fluff filled with pink fluff
Plus bunch of people that need to post more -Hu, SirCakez, Cele

Scumlean: Roden - doesnt do much, just some empty sentences
Kyou: Slightly better than Roden, might replace some lurkers in the null reads tbh, i feel like scum is trying to stay in the shadows at this moment

Second scum detected.

This game might be easy.

[Roden]

Solid town: Thomith - solves, his analysis feels logical and well thought
Maybe town: Flavor - he is aloof, but observing
Bingle -laid back at the beginning, but later he feels like he is trying to sort people

Null: Gob - unreadable pink fluff filled with pink fluff
Plus bunch of people that need to post more -Hu, SirCakez, Cele

Scumlean: Roden - doesnt do much, just some empty sentences
Kyou: Slightly better than Roden, might replace some lurkers in the null reads tbh, i feel like scum is trying to stay in the shadows at this moment

Second scum detected.

This game might be easy.

Why do you think i am scum? I never rolled scum and it didnt change with this game

You're either intentionally ignoring the content of my posts or you aren't reading the game. I've been engaging with several slots and those very slots have been commenting on my posts.

You're also claiming Bingle has been sorting people, and if you look at their posts then you can see they made a few posts trying to sort me and explaining their reasoning for their read on me. How can Bingle do that if I'm not doing anything? Do you think Bingle is posting complex thoughts about my "empty sentences"?

[Roden]

Looking forward to it

[Roden]

okay so some games I don't know who to vote and get stuck
this is not one of them lmaoo
I want to yeet like half this player list rn
however I think the best person to get out of here ASAP day one is flavor leaf, bc dude is posting like scum and even if he's town he's already making me think he's going to self implode this game so might as well get it over with now

I don't think you're scum, but I don't really understand prioritizing Leaf as today's elim. What makes you think he's posting like scum?

[Roden]

Kyouko could be scum, but only because she's giving off the vibe that she'd rather be doing literally anything else every time she pops in

[Roden]

like I'm not sure how Bingle's question is meant to lead me to go after you and wiz. If I say TMI it's because I think Wiz is TMIing you as town, if I say S/S it's because I think it's S/S.

I do like this post though

[Roden]

I feel like I can townlock Wiz on tone alone

He feels different than the last game we just had but not in a way that's scummy, like less aggressive but more loose/carefree

[Roden]

I kinda thought he was trying to emulate a certain tone/playstyle, but even if he is he isn't emulating what I just saw last game, so I'm fine with town binning him

I'm interested in Hu Tao and Naerys' thoughts on Wiz and if they agree or not on that take, since all four of us were town that game

[Roden]

It sucks not having an extensive library of personal meta on everyone. I have like half filled in meta. My best meta read for Kyouko is that she isn't playing like I've seen her in town games I've completed with her. I couldn't say what she looks like as scum. I do notice a significantly quieter energy from her in this game though. Less solvy, more snipey.

This makes me feel so much better about my read.

Celebloki I've seen as town two games recently, and they have subtle next level quiet analysis that comes out like this.

I'm talking like calling out Elements as Deep Wolf scum in that last game but it was a 'crackpot theory' and I got to see that while holding onto a Guilty on Elements.

You also noticed in that game where I was Traitor, partners with Gob, that the Day 1 misfade happening to ask a neighbor about all 3 neighbors, and explaining how it could have happened.

This is yet another example of how I think Celebloki lowkey has some of the best quiet analysis like this on site at the moment.

I agree with this, Celeb is likely town regardless of Kyouko's alignment

[Roden]

Gob/Hu Tao/Naerys/Kyouko/Thomith

I think this contains exactly two scum

[Roden]

Tends to happen when one is scum

[Roden]

Gob, who’s scummier, Kouyoko or Cakez?

I can't even really remember anything about Kyouko so Cakez.

There it is again. I was going to keep this to myself but I think scum!gob fact-checks and town!gob admits when he doesnt remember something. That's the towntell

How would you say Gob compares to this game?

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[Roden]

Gob/Hu Tao/Naerys/Kyouko/Thomith

I think this contains exactly two scum

Why exactly 2 scum?

I'm not arrogant enough to think I've locked down the entire scum team. I town read everyone else but it's very likely one of my town reads are incorrect. That's something to deal with later though.

[Roden]

Gob, who’s scummier, Kouyoko or Cakez?

I can't even really remember anything about Kyouko so Cakez.

There it is again. I was going to keep this to myself but I think scum!gob fact-checks and town!gob admits when he doesnt remember something. That's the towntell

How would you say Gob compares to this game?

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LMAO, were you mad I pocketed you that game? not my best performance I will admit, show the game i won instead

?

I linked a game we were both in because that's the game I have experience with you in. Are you trying to accuse me of voting you out for revenge over a past game?

[Roden]

I have an idea of who's bussing if Gob does flip red here, but it depends on the NK tonight.

[Roden]

I have an idea of who's bussing if Gob does flip red here, but it depends on the NK tonight.

???

[Roden]

@Roden/Bingle - thoughts on sheeping Hu Tao onto Wiz today?

I'd rather vote Hu Tao or Gob, it feels like they're trying to muddle up the game and discredit active voices.

[Roden]

Can we please just kill Gob

[Roden]

@Roden/Bingle - thoughts on sheeping Hu Tao onto Wiz today?

I'd rather vote Hu Tao or Gob, it feels like they're trying to muddle up the game and discredit active voices.

Who am I discrediting?

Nobody. Roden is clearly trying to discredit you and me pushing against Flavor's gamestate.

But Roden himself doesn't want to get his hands dirty.

See i can put everything on the table too

Spoiler: surely these posts were made with the best intentions...

I would suggest finding thomith and bingle as town though.

This seems a bit easy of townreads

What do you mean?

I don't see anything worth a town read even after their explanation

Gob might be scum here.

Am I or not? Seems you want to be right either way here.

I’ll just say this once Flavor

I am so far ahead of you in the game of Mafia. You can try and swipe at my feet, but thats all you can do.

I am tempted to let you mislim me here just so i can prove a point that you’re not as good as you think you are, but you could be mafia so thats not the right play.

But like, the way you look at the game and the way i look at the game are totally different. You are looking for pennies and quarters and im looking for 50s and hundreds.

So trying to 1v1 me is a laughable proposition to me. You gotta get some gym badges before u can fight me, so to speak.

Too ready to overexplain town!gob

TMI or S/S?

UHHHHH kind of a weird post

the S/S would have TMI lol. Why you hesitant to call Wiz scum?

I’m not particularly scumreading wiz, but these are two different universes. Universe 2 is where wiz knows your town and is therefore arguing from an informed perspective. Universe B is where your buddies and wiz doesn’t want you going down or yelling timber. I’m asking kyo which she thinks is more likely here, as an attempt to get into kyo’s headspace.

WRT cakez, I was interested in what cakez has to say on the matter, not what you did.

I would be interested in your thoughts on whether scum should slank and why you either support that strat for cakez specifically or in general without using it yourself, assuming I take your “I don’t slank” implication at face value.

So basically you are trying to shade me and wiz in the eyes of Kyo?

Seems like a scum play to me. You TMI know kyo is town so you're trying to get town!kyo to go after me and wiz.

Am I right, or am i right? Either way I'm wrong.

Bingle, Flavor, Roden, one of these are wolfing for sure.

I might even call them a power wolf/

???

I tried to engage with you twice and you ignored me. I even quoted you both times so you would get pinged. How did you arrive to the conclusion that I'm a power wolf??

What did you say? I may have missed a ping at some point. Most likely I didn't find it worth responding to.

Having Thom in that list invalidates everything. He's clearly town.

Gob, who’s scummier, Kouyoko or Cakez?

I can't even really remember anything about Kyouko so Cakez.

There it is again. I was going to keep this to myself but I think scum!gob fact-checks and town!gob admits when he doesnt remember something. That's the towntell

How would you say Gob compares to this game?

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LMAO, were you mad I pocketed you that game? not my best performance I will admit, show the game i won instead

I have an idea of who's bussing if Gob does flip red here, but it depends on the NK tonight.

VOTE: gob

Fine by me. I’ll take the benefit for my meta here since nobody is playing how i want them to anyway.

What do you mean by nobody is playing how you want them to?

Exactly what i said. People arent pressuring kyoko, cakez and other people at the rate i deem good.

Why do you even think Im scum

Cause you basically did nothing towny, and then AtE'd (like rn) when called out on it. Gotta get that outta here

[Roden]

What… happened?

I went to go see the new Godzilla movie (was a real return to form—highly recommend) and suddenly the gamestate has mutated into… this. Maybe we should stop talking for a minute and let everyone else catch up and say their pieces?

I think hearing everyone else’s thoughts could be really useful for both sorting and actually getting an elimination through.

It's intentional chaos and noise from scum.

[Roden]

Oh, and the thing.

VOTE: Roden

Useless vote. We need to flip confscum Gob.

[Roden]

I think gob is town here. Usually gob is very scummy when scummy. I don't get that vibe here. I think I'd be okay with roden or dunn

[Roden]

No you aren't lol

[Roden]

VOTE: gob

Fine by me. I’ll take the benefit for my meta here since nobody is playing how i want them to anyway.

Surely the Doctor self-voted and tried to die...

[Roden]

VOTE: gob

Fine by me. I’ll take the benefit for my meta here since nobody is playing how i want them to anyway.

Surely the Doctor self-voted and tried to die...

You think i wouldnt? lol Rodent you have been going against me all game. Quite the death tunnel

I think you're a good player and wouldn't do that as town.

Also I haven't been against you all game, I was actually town leaning you early on. There was a very clear point in the Day where I turned against you.

[Roden]

Fake claiming Doc as town was certainly a choice

[Roden]

I think I trust Hu Tao

[Roden]

Leaf and Bingle are linked up like wired ear buds that get tangled in your pocket

They're either both scum and power wolfing or both town, and I think the latter is more likely

[Roden]

I think I trust Hu Tao

Why?

I'm trying on something new

[Roden]

Also she was hard defending Gob to the point that she could easily be accused of TMI, and I think she would be more wary of that as scum

[Roden]

VOTE: Cakez

[Roden]

Leaf and Bingle are linked up like wired ear buds that get tangled in your pocket

They're either both scum and power wolfing or both town, and I think the latter is more likely

i really dont think this is true. i am slightly suspicious of Bingle right now. idk how you get this.

How would you being suspicious of Bingle affect either of your alignments here?

[Roden]

In all seriousness, Bingle/Dunn have partner equity imo.

However, with me living, my theory of Bingle town read pushing me then killing me didn’t pan out, though.

I think these two posts are emblematic of what I mean when I say you two are entwined. You're hedging your own alignment based on how Bingle is interacting with you and how they may hypothetically interact via day play and mech play. Or at least, that's how it appears to be to me. If that isn't the intention then I'm a little confused here.

There's a world where you're both scum and run circles around town by sussing each other, reach common ground, then lead people into pushing townies.

There's also a world where both of you are just having genuine interactions and are town.

I think the latter is more likely because while the former is scary for town, it falls apart if one of you get guilty'd. And you both have enough attention on yourselves to attract investigatives, and are aware of that, imo.

There technically is a world where only one of you is scum, but it seems like you're both confident that the townie one between you two would be dead if that were the case.

[Roden]

I hard pushed Gob because he flat out said he was going to play scummy and not defend himself because getting mislimmed would benefit his meta. So he was either town and playing against wincon in order to fare better in a future game, or he was scum who was open wolfing. Which is partially why I linked a scum game of his where he open Wolfe. Either way this wasn't really a slot that should stay in the game, and when he faked a Doc claim I knew it wasn't real because of everything he did leafing up to it.

[Roden]

I think Dunn is the type of player to favor responding to quote pings as scum vs posting individual thoughts that aren't meant for anyone in particular. His activity is a little low, but he's had a mix of responding to people while also doing his own thing. He's also posting plenty of thoughts and why he scum reads certain slots, so I'm not super sold on scum!Dunn.

[Roden]

VOTE: naerys I think this is a good suspect

Okay I'm done traveling home on break etc etc can we not hammer yet cuz I actually want to play today

I want to see the follow up to this. I don't think Cakez and Naerys are paired, but their reads on each other don't feel TvT either.

[Roden]

VOTE: naerys I think this is a good suspect

Okay I'm done traveling home on break etc etc can we not hammer yet cuz I actually want to play today

I want to see the follow up to this. I don't think Cakez and Naerys are paired, but their reads on each other don't feel TvT either.

why cant they be TvT

It's nothing solid, just vibes. I think it's really easy for scum!Naerys to keep town!Cakez at null since it seems reasonable due to him hovering around the outer fringes of the game, and it keeps her out of the spotlight if he gets mislimmed. Scum!Cakez also looks good pushing town!Naerys because she seems really passive and safe with her reads, and he probably survives longer if he tries to play aggressively.

I don't think it's TvT because they're both angling to survive yet aren't pushing a more prominent slot. I'm leaning more towards Cakez being scum in this case.

[Roden]

I'll go over my hammer again... I didn't believe the doctor claim. Leaving gob alive gives other players a chance to unvote gob, which reveals them as not doctor to mafia. Hammering gob also makes mafia think I could be a pr like doctor due to my hammer.

solid rehearsed reasoning.

UNVOTE: Dunnstral

either way, im okay with going over other options for sure.

I like this unvote.

[Roden]

How about slowing down a bit? E-2 when we have like 8 days left?

If this were any other slot I think it's LAMIST, but from my limited experience with Naerys I think this is town-indicative.

[Roden]

Gob/Hu Tao/Naerys/Kyouko/Thomith

I think this contains exactly two scum

This is likely embarrassingly wrong...

[Roden]

Would it spook you if I voted RC?

[Roden]

Hey, if wagoning me is what brings some spice back into this game, let's do it! This games gotten real bland. I'm not gonna vote for myself though, that's kinda cringe.

Are you expecting to live?

[Roden]

It's weird that this game does feel stalled out, but I assume it has to do with the holidays

[Roden]

VOTE: Dunn

[Roden]

If Celeb is scum then I don't really have a problem with him randomly asking to be voted out and people deciding that he should be voted out

[Roden]

We have over 6 days left and Cele whimpers something about panic wagoning. Kindly stop trying to make ppl panic, when there is plenty of time left and we have solid targets of suspiction. It feels kinda scummy

Who's panicking?

[Roden]

VOTE: Wiz

[Roden]

If Celeb is scum then I don't really have a problem with him randomly asking to be voted out and people deciding that he should be voted out

We have over 6 days left and Cele whimpers something about panic wagoning. Kindly stop trying to make ppl panic, when there is plenty of time left and we have solid targets of suspiction. It feels kinda scummy

Who's panicking?

These posts give me the impression you’re not really reading.

Is Celeb

not

repeatedly asking to be voted out...?

[Roden]

I can only think of a few reasons scum!Celeb would ask to be voted out unprompted:

-He's trying to save scum!Dunn. Really only makes sense if Celeb is a goon/negative utility PR and Dunn is a high priority PR.

-Celeb is a negative utility PR and that alone is enough to scare the shit out of the scum team.

-Celeb planned the least efficient bus attempt ever in the scum chat and his buddies forgot they were supposed to make it look convincing.

It could also be a combination of the above. I...don't think any of that is likely or good scum play though. If there's another reason for why he could be doing this, I'm down to hear people out.

[Roden]

Also if Celeb asking to be voted out wasn't actually unprompted, could somebody point it out to me please?

[Roden]

I can only think of a few reasons scum!Celeb would ask to be voted out unprompted:

-He's trying to save scum!Dunn. Really only makes sense if Celeb is a goon/negative utility PR and Dunn is a high priority PR.

-Celeb is a negative utility PR and that alone is enough to scare the shit out of the scum team.

-Celeb planned the least efficient bus attempt ever in the scum chat and his buddies forgot they were supposed to make it look convincing.

It could also be a combination of the above. I...don't think any of that is likely or good scum play though. If there's another reason for why he could be doing this, I'm down to hear people out.

It’s AtE, and it feels like false bravado, which i guess you’re weak to based on what you said about Kitty last game.

I don’t feel this is the same as Kitty there, though.

I’ve never seen Celebloki use AtE.

It doesn't really come off as AtE to me though. Like if he'd already been getting run up then sure, but he only had two votes at the time. I went back to double check the context and it looks like he did it in response to your vote on him.

To me he can only be restless town or overreacting scum. And in the case of the latter, his buddies aren't doing much to either save him or capitalize on potential town cred from voting him.

[Roden]

Wait this is the same thought process I had with Yessiree

[Roden]

Do scum really just consistently do this...?

VOTE: Celeb

[Roden]

This just feels so anti-pragmatic if Celeb is scum since I don't see any benefits to a scum wincon, but maybe that's just how I view playing scum

[Roden]

I think it feels slow to me because this is my only active game at the moment and I've been sitting here refreshing it all day waiting for something to respond to. I'm kinda done rehashing what's already happened and want some hot new takes to respond to. The hot new take was a wagon on me, so I'm just sayin let's go for it. I sure have been playing weird, what's up with the fact that I've given no real reads on FL, Bingle, or RCE? Why did I never join the gob wagon yesterday? Did I have TMI? Why am I pushing Dunn and trusting Wiz and Thom so much, what's up with that? I keep rating Cakez low in reads list but have never said why.

Naerys is saying she doesn't like my posts, put your money where your mouth is and vote me.

I actually am curious why you're trusting Wiz and Thom so much.

[Roden]

"If you're scum then don't vote me" is a wild strategy to telegraph like that

[Roden]

That's E-1??

UNVOTE:

[Roden]

Consider me still spiritually on you, I only unvoted because I actually didn't realize that was E-1 and others might not know either

[Roden]

You should still claim though

[Roden]

Why wouldn't you check Leaf?

[Roden]

I always tell myself when I roll PRs, I'm gonna refuse to claim them but I never do. I'm just gonna full claim it and my target.

I'm a Town Neapolitan. My N1 was a waste because I targeted Kyouko. Interestingly I got a 'No Result' response. I assume because she died.

A Vanilla Townie will return a result of "target is a Vanilla Townie"; other players will give a result of "target is not a Vanilla Townie". If the action fails (e.g. due to a roleblocker), the result will be "Your action failed, and you did not receive a result".

[Roden]

Kyouko is just such a weird target when we had an actual VT claim that no one really disputed should be investigated

[Roden]

Why wouldn't you check Leaf?

Cuz they’re lying scum.

Scratch that, they’re probs a Scum Neap here lying about their target

I guess that technically could be possible too.

Why would scum soft?

To make their claim more believable, and to justify why they can't get results by making it seem like a scum Roleblocker saw their soft claim.

[Roden]

Why would I say I got a No Result on kyouko if I was lying about my claim though. I could just as easily say I got VT on her. I honestly didn't feel like my crumb was very well hidden and I regretted crumbing it. My best guess is scum have a roleblocker and saw my crumb and used it on me. Might as well flip me, they'll just keep role blocking me so I get no information.

You kinda just answered your own question

[Roden]

VOTE: Celeb

[Roden]

Why would I say I got a No Result on kyouko if I was lying about my claim though. I could just as easily say I got VT on her. I honestly didn't feel like my crumb was very well hidden and I regretted crumbing it. My best guess is scum have a roleblocker and saw my crumb and used it on me. Might as well flip me, they'll just keep role blocking me so I get no information.

I'm not too sure it makes sense to flip you just because of setup spec of Mafia potentially hand a role blocker that saw your soft, because I dont actually think it was that obvious personally. It's a potential, but there are other things that could explain it instead.

I'd rather keep celeb around for now I think, to see what happens in future nights?

This is a Simple set up, so only Roleblocker and Jailkeeper could have messed with his action. The results he claimed don't match up with the wiki though because he should've been blatantly told that his action failed.

[Roden]

Kyouko is just such a weird target when we had an actual VT claim that no one really disputed should be investigated

Yeah, the inconsistencies are there in celeb. They stalled for the claim, but couldn’t much longer.

They also had to be a N1 Roleblock target on top of it.

This is pretty much where I'm at at this point

[Roden]

Why would I say I got a No Result on kyouko if I was lying about my claim though. I could just as easily say I got VT on her. I honestly didn't feel like my crumb was very well hidden and I regretted crumbing it. My best guess is scum have a roleblocker and saw my crumb and used it on me. Might as well flip me, they'll just keep role blocking me so I get no information.

I'm not too sure it makes sense to flip you just because of setup spec of Mafia potentially hand a role blocker that saw your soft, because I dont actually think it was that obvious personally. It's a potential, but there are other things that could explain it instead.

I'd rather keep celeb around for now I think, to see what happens in future nights?

This is a Simple set up, so only Roleblocker and Jailkeeper could have messed with his action. The results he claimed don't match up with the wiki though because he should've been blatantly told that his action failed.

Isn't a No Result him being told his action failed though?

Neap specifically does not get a No Result PM, they get told that their action failed. I don't think this is a mod error either, considering both Gamma and DE have been keeping an active eye on the game.

[Roden]

Leaf I think this is just another Yessiree situation where a scum PR claimed No Result on a bad target when they shouldn't have, and Hu Tao is just in my position from that game

[Roden]

It feels like such a weird thing to lie about though?

It is, but I've seen scum do this before. I think it's just a botched claim.

[Roden]

Why would I say I got a No Result on kyouko if I was lying about my claim though. I could just as easily say I got VT on her. I honestly didn't feel like my crumb was very well hidden and I regretted crumbing it. My best guess is scum have a roleblocker and saw my crumb and used it on me. Might as well flip me, they'll just keep role blocking me so I get no information.

I'm not too sure it makes sense to flip you just because of setup spec of Mafia potentially hand a role blocker that saw your soft, because I dont actually think it was that obvious personally. It's a potential, but there are other things that could explain it instead.

I'd rather keep celeb around for now I think, to see what happens in future nights?

This is a Simple set up, so only Roleblocker and Jailkeeper could have messed with his action. The results he claimed don't match up with the wiki though because he should've been blatantly told that his action failed.

What is wrong with the claim of no result? Is that not when you get when you are blocked?

I always tell myself when I roll PRs, I'm gonna refuse to claim them but I never do. I'm just gonna full claim it and my target.

I'm a Town Neapolitan. My N1 was a waste because I targeted Kyouko. Interestingly I got a 'No Result' response. I assume because she died.

A Vanilla Townie will return a result of "target is a Vanilla Townie"; other players will give a result of "target is not a Vanilla Townie". If the action fails (e.g. due to a roleblocker), the result will be "Your action failed, and you did not receive a result".

[Roden]

Why do people think Celeb will be able to prove his role tonight? He already claimed that he was blocked last night.

[Roden]

Also I don't understand why a town PR would ask to get run up just to confirm that scum successfully blocked them

[Roden]

A strong town PR shouldn't be intentionally trying to get themself voted out and then inform the scum team that they were correct in blocking them...

[Roden]

Like what was the point of any of that

Where's the townie thought process

[Roden]

A strong town PR shouldn't be intentionally trying to get themself voted out and then inform the scum team that they were correct in blocking them...

Like what was the point of any of that

Where's the townie thought process

This is true. What's the scum benefit though?

Survival. How long do you think Celeb should live, even if he continues to be blocked?

[Roden]

I'll tell you one thing, I'm never gonna try and play differently to get a boring game exciting again. I'll just stick to the low volume posts that I'm used to.

At this point we kinda need you to do something other than bemoan your fate. Not trying to be rude, but you told us that you boosted your own wagon to try to weed out scum. There's plenty of content to look at if that truly was your intent.

[Roden]

VOTE: Wiz

[Roden]

I think Hu Tao spewed herself town

[Roden]

VOTE: Cakez

[Roden]

Celeb checks Leaf
Wiz checks Celeb
Protective on Wiz

[Roden]

Who was the Scum being voted though?

Still think it's Hu Tao

And I don't really have a strong take on Roden or Thomith yet so there could easily be a partner there too

I voted you earlier and said that you and Naerys contained one scum; you didn't seem to think much of it.

[Roden]

Celeb still hasn't offered any analysis over what happened

[Roden]

I still have a desire to give Hu Tao a TR, after my claim and her hard defending me I was curious where that came from. When Dunn made his argument about how roleblockers and JKs work, I started to wonder if Hu Tao's hard defense might mean she was a JK and had maybe targeted me so she understood my 'no result'. With Wiz's claim this is obviously not a thing. I had decided before Wiz's claim that I still didn't support a lim on her because I wasn't sure if she might be a town JK. But the vanilla claim makes me not as reluctant to that.

Why does the vanilla claim make you less reluctant? Do you have reasons to scum read Hu Tao?

[Roden]

I'm still not really sure how to read my other defenders or rather "let's leave Celeb alive for another day"-ers. I could see this being strategy for those with TMI, but I obviously have greedy reasons to side with those that argue to keep me alive. I do think Cakez has the weakest arguments of my defenders. I think FL's arguments for my lim make him fairly obv town.

If you don't know how to read your defenders then why did you go through with a plan that hinged on you being able to do that??

[Roden]

Celebloki (5): Thomith, Flavor Leaf, Naerys, Bingle, Roden

This was your wagon. I technically never ended up on your wagon during a VC but I added myself since I brought you to E-1. Do you think any of these votes come from scum? Does anyone here look opportunistic? Or do you think it could be a pure wagon?

[Roden]

Bingle I'm not sure what you don't like about my progression on Dunn, but you calling it scummy just reaffirms why I think you're town

[Roden]

Also the irony in you saying I have scummy ass pop ins when you just wrote an award winning monolog about why it's unfair for you to be scum read for having scummy ass pop ins

[Roden]

Also the irony in you saying I have scummy ass pop ins when you just wrote an award winning monolog about why it's unfair for you to be scum read for having scummy ass pop ins

There's a big difference between this being scummy:

Would it spook you if I voted RC?

If Celeb is scum then I don't really have a problem with him randomly asking to be voted out and people deciding that he should be voted out

And voting me on the back of not constantly being in thread producing content. If the argument about me was that when I was here I was doing scummy things that would be different, but Leaf was saying it's sketch that I'm only here some of the time and that my absence was what was scummy.

The difference is that we are different players doing different things. And in any case I'm not popping into the thread anyway, I'm always here and just speak when words form in my head.

If you think I'm doing something scummy then just ask me about my posts.

[Roden]

If, as you say, we are two different players doing two different things then would you care to explain the irony?

The irony is that you don't think your pop ins are scummy because you're actually just being active every time you open the site, and that you shouldn't be voted out due to other people not knowing that context about your personal life. But you scum read me for having scummy pop ins while having zero context about my posting habits.

Us being different players still matters though because your reputation is different than mine and we'll be held to different standards when we're in a player list that's familiar with both of us.

Either way I don't even really think you've had scummy pop ins or that you haven't been around enough. Your posts have stood out in my mind, and you've been posting more than the majority of the players in this game.

[Roden]

How can Hu Tao have a tent pole role when Wiz confirmed that they're Vanilla?

[Roden]

How can Hu Tao have a tent pole role when Wiz confirmed that they're Vanilla?

Well the short answer is that I wasn’t thinking about the vt result when considering Hu Tao/celeb associations.

The long answer is that the vt result on Hu Tao is completely irrelevant to my scumread of Hu Tao, and so I’m left, yet again, with the question of “what mental gymnastics?” At best you could say it’s mental gymnastics to townread celeb.

I don't really care about mental gymnastics. The main point was that we know Hu Tao is Vanilla unless they're partnered with Wiz.

Confirmed vanilla means nothing

How so?

[Roden]

I assume it's meant to describe a scum role that's both really strong and breaks the set up wide open so that town doesn't have to mech spec anymore

[Roden]

Can we just flip Cakez

[Roden]

Flipping Hu Tao or Bingle makes no sense if we're against flipping Celeb today, because their alignments are tied to Celeb and Wiz and may become more clear once/if they act tonight

[Roden]

Flipping Hu Tao or Bingle makes no sense if we're against flipping Celeb today, because their alignments are tied to Celeb and Wiz and may become more clear once/if they act tonight

How is Hu Tao being scummy as shit tied to Celeb/Wiz at all?

Because if we were to vote based off of play and not mech then Celeb would always be the elim today. And Wiz confirming Hu Tao as Vanilla means Celeb can confirm Hu Tao as town if you believe his claim as well.

Honestly I'm kinda shocked you're not pushing for that to be Celeb's target tonight instead of Leaf.

[Roden]

Bingle you're not making a convincing case and you aren't going to make people vote Hu Tao by throwing a tantrum

[Roden]

Sorry if I'm being short with you but my fever has broken five times in the past week in a half and I'm too fatigued for this

[Roden]

Why do you town read her?

It was basically this:

Also she was hard defending Gob to the point that she could easily be accused of TMI, and I think she would be more wary of that as scum

And I think there were multiple paths of least resistance she could've taken today and she instead chose to be a prominent figure.

[Roden]

Sorry if I'm being short with you but my fever has broken five times in the past week in a half and I'm too fatigued for this

Get well soon

Thank you

[Roden]

I would definitely prefer to not be the wagon today for obvious reasons, but I really don’t understand the push for me.

Anyway, I’m not going to just sit around and die.

I’m the

Town Role Cop

, and Hu Tao is a vanilla role. Part of the reason I’m pushing Celebloki is due to doubt about there being two Town investigative roles—does that explain my push on them better?

Oh.. awkward. I thought someone else softed an innocent on me. But if you had that, why would you be willing to compromise a vote on me? Also this likely means a scum in Cele and Wiz. I don't see town having both? I'll think this over

There's also this. This imo spews a townie mindset, because scum knows town can't get an inno result on them and can't interpret somebody's posts as softing a secret inno result.

[Roden]

And I think there were multiple paths of least resistance she could've taken today and she instead chose to be a prominent figure.

You mean the path of least resistance that was the Dunn wagon that I fought down? Y'know, the one she sheeped onto?

This is not a good "gotcha" because multiple people went onto that wagon

[Roden]

There's also this. This imo spews a townie mindset, because scum knows town can't get an inno result on them and can't interpret somebody's posts as softing a secret inno result.

I agree that either she's lying about someone softing an inno on her or town. I just don't see why vague "oh someone might have an inno on me" posts is a thing scum wouldn't lie about.

You just said you don't think she's good at playing scum...this is a complex thought process and would require her to fake something that would be very unintuitive and uncommon to fake

[Roden]

And I think there were multiple paths of least resistance she could've taken today and she instead chose to be a prominent figure.

You mean the path of least resistance that was the Dunn wagon that I fought down? Y'know, the one she sheeped onto?

This is not a good "gotcha" because multiple people went onto that wagon

What do you mean it's not a good "gotcha"? It's not a gotcha at all. It's literally her doing the opposite of the thing you say you're town reading her for.

Because I disagree.

[Roden]

Because I disagree.

You disagree that the dunn wagon was the path of least resistance?

Yes. If it was then it would've gone through. It wasn't a good wagon though.

You just said you don't think she's good at playing scum

I didn't specify that she's bad at scum. I believe she's too self oriented to be good at the game in general. That has nothing to do with complex strategies, just personality.

Ah.

[Roden]

Multiple people just voted Cakez.

[Roden]

This is so shit, why am I suddenly the wagon here? What is the info obtained from flipping me here? Literally nothing. It was already agreed by like multiple people that we need to get rid of Hu Tao, Bingle or one of the PR claims to actually work on solving this game.
This feels so scum driven

This is such fake outrage

[Roden]

Why are you clenching your fists and stomping your feet here? You've barely been around. Half the time I see your posts, you're promising to give more content later, but then when you do show up your posts show so little investment in the game. Like I'd understand being upset if you just randomly got flash wagon'd after putting in effort to solve for a month, but you've

been

getting sussed out for awhile now.

[Roden]

Fuck off this wagon is bullshit

VOTE: Cakez

VOTE: Cakez

I'm still fine with cakes

VOTE: Cakez

Of the options mentioned I'm most okay with this for now.

VOTE: SirCakez

That should be E-2

what am I even being voted for? At least with Celeb and Wiz there were decent reasonings outlined in thread. This looks to me like there was scum in the other suggested wagons today and they're happy to get over to me ASAP

Also you already pulled this exact same shit last week. This feels gimmicky.

[Roden]

It's even the same people voting you again...who exactly are the scum that are so desperate to kill you that they cosigned your execution twice?

[Roden]

Why are you clenching your fists and stomping your feet here? You've barely been around. Half the time I see your posts, you're promising to give more content later, but then when you do show up your posts show so little investment in the game. Like I'd understand being upset if you just randomly got flash wagon'd after putting in effort to solve for a month, but you've

been

getting sussed out for awhile now.

I don't think this is an accurate take on my play this game at all. I feel I have been pretty invested especially later today because I'm actually developing some reads I feel good about. I hate how you're trying to hand wave me being mad away without actually addressing the underlying reasoning for that - because both times the wagon has been mostly naked votes and hurr durr compromise votes with little in the way of people actually talking about why they think I'm scummy

You're not a compromise wagon and they aren't naked votes. I asked people to vote you because we (your voters) were already suspicious of you last time you were the wagon and gave our reasoning then. Then your wagon dissolved and the game centered around Hu Tao and Bingle for nearly a week, and when that resolved we went back to you.

[Roden]

I think solidifying our votes down to Hu Tao or Bingle is probably the only way we’ll actually get an elimination through today, considering we have less than 48 hours left in D2.

I would definitely prefer for Bingle to go over Hu Tao, but I think either going will get us more information once they flip and we see how people read them and such.

Yes let's pick between these two, I hope it's Hu but even if it is Bingle we will get a lot of info

I left the game thinking the game was going this way
I come back at L-1 with a claim being demanded. If anything I would think it would be suspicious if I wasn't pissed off here.

What? Why would it be suspicious if you weren't pissed off?

Also it isn't simply because you're mad, it just seems very overblown, and because of how similar it feels to the last time you did this it also feels scripted.

[Roden]

Why are you clenching your fists and stomping your feet here? You've barely been around. Half the time I see your posts, you're promising to give more content later, but then when you do show up your posts show so little investment in the game. Like I'd understand being upset if you just randomly got flash wagon'd after putting in effort to solve for a month, but you've

been

getting sussed out for awhile now.

I don't think this is an accurate take on my play this game at all. I feel I have been pretty invested especially later today because I'm actually developing some reads I feel good about. I hate how you're trying to hand wave me being mad away without actually addressing the underlying reasoning for that - because both times the wagon has been mostly naked votes and hurr durr compromise votes with little in the way of people actually talking about why they think I'm scummy

You're not a compromise wagon and they aren't naked votes. I asked people to vote you because we (your voters) were already suspicious of you last time you were the wagon and gave our reasoning then. Then your wagon dissolved and the game centered around Hu Tao and Bingle for nearly a week, and when that resolved we went back to you.

I looked at your ISO and you haven't even talked about why you think I'm scum since over a week ago where you said you leaned scum because of an interaction with Naerys I had.

Yes...which is why I brought up that you were a wagon a week ago and that your current wagon is a return to that.

[Roden]

I think solidifying our votes down to Hu Tao or Bingle is probably the only way we’ll actually get an elimination through today, considering we have less than 48 hours left in D2.

I would definitely prefer for Bingle to go over Hu Tao, but I think either going will get us more information once they flip and we see how people read them and such.

Yes let's pick between these two, I hope it's Hu but even if it is Bingle we will get a lot of info

I left the game thinking the game was going this way
I come back at L-1 with a claim being demanded. If anything I would think it would be suspicious if I wasn't pissed off here.

What? Why would it be suspicious if you weren't pissed off?

Also it isn't simply because you're mad, it just seems very overblown, and because of how similar it feels to the last time you did this it also feels scripted.

I find when I'm scum I don't get the same level of emotion/frustration about being eliminated because it's just town doing scumhunting on whatever they find in my play that's scummy. When I'm town getting mislimmed it's super obnoxious because people are either misreading me or scum pushing me for a mislim which both annoy me a lot more then getting caught as scum

I don't know what to say about your second point, it's just how I talk /shrug

I hate meta claims like these because you would absolutely never claim this if you'd had the opposite reaction to getting voted. So this is pretty meaningless to me.

[Roden]

Leaf, what do you think?

[Roden]

If Roden and I were scum together, there’d have been a fade already.

I mean... I doubt it? I've been the biggest roadblock to your mutual pushes, and I don't suddenly become less so a roadblock if you're scum. Still town FL energy here though.

I've been one of the biggest roadblocks to your elim. If I wanted you gone for being in my way then you'd just be gone.

[Roden]

Wagon starting Roden is generally a town Roden

Leaf, this is a bizarre take. Roden has started literally one wagon and has been voting on established wagons exclusively other than that. Like... He followed me onto gob and then stayed there all of D1. He pushed Dunn AFTER calling dunn town and my defense there, with nothing in the interim really explaining why he went from the soft defense of

I think Dunn is the type of player to favor responding to quote pings as scum vs posting individual thoughts that aren't meant for anyone in particular. His activity is a little low, but he's had a mix of responding to people while also doing his own thing. He's also posting plenty of thoughts and why he scum reads certain slots, so I'm not super sold on scum!Dunn.

I'll go over my hammer again... I didn't believe the doctor claim. Leaving gob alive gives other players a chance to unvote gob, which reveals them as not doctor to mafia. Hammering gob also makes mafia think I could be a pr like doctor due to my hammer.

solid rehearsed reasoning.

UNVOTE: Dunnstral

either way, im okay with going over other options for sure.

I like this unvote.

to

VOTE: Dunn

especially in the middle of roden softly agreeing that Celeb was sketch for being willing to be wagoned. Then he spent like 5 posts justifying a celeb scumread to himself before putting celeb at E-1 and immediately unvoting when it was noted that was E-1.

You're like the third person to bring up my Dunn vote and then not even ask why I voted Dunn

[Roden]

I'm guessing one of the town Invest claims is scum and the other one is town + a jail keeper/role locker, versus a scum investigative + goons makes sense

See I actually agree with this. I'd prefer a Celeb elim over you, you aren't my first choice.

[Roden]

To scare people off your wagon because it was a bad wagon

[Roden]

Do you think I'm making it up

[Roden]

Are you joking

[Roden]

Cakez I spent several days along with Leaf arguing that we should kill Celeb and that his claim was bad

[Roden]

Celeb checks Leaf
Wiz checks Celeb
Protective on Wiz

If you were so confident Celeb is scum, why not push for that elim instead of making this plan?

I did. Too many people want to let it play out overnight. So if we're doing that then I want to at least make a plan that gives us results.

[Roden]

I don't have high confidence on a Cakez red flip but I have zero confidence in a Bingle red flip

[Roden]

Damn, maybe I should make up better lies

[Roden]

For legal reasons that was a joke

[Roden]

Idk why but I suddenly feel less inclined to wall any Bingle flash wagons that might happen in the next eight hours

[Roden]

I'm 1-shot Bulletproof

[Roden]

I'm also think Bingle/Elements/Naerys

VOTE: Bingle

[Roden]

Cursed slot

[Roden]

We know that Celeb has to die tonight because otherwise we'll have too many clears for scum to be able to win tomorrow. Thomith is conftown, and Leaf also becomes conftown after Celeb flips, and if Celeb doesn't die then we'll have a 3rd conftown tomorrow after he checks one of Bingle/Elements/Naerys. If he doesn't die then it's obvious he's just scum and we still get a guaranteed scum flip.

I still feel confident that Hu Tao and Dunn are town here. If Naerys is also town then Celeb has to be scum. Bingle and Elements are always red flips here, unless I got seriously snowed by some wacky team like Celeb/Leaf/Hu Tao.

[Roden]

Also Bingle guessing that Dunn was a PR feels really off since Dunn soft claimed VT early into Day 2

[Roden]

Why would a Juggernaut exist in a setup that would get it guilty'd by two different town PRs?

Neap + Rolecop + Jailkeeper vs Juggernaut + 2 goons feels like a really bad set up and has no real cohesion

[Roden]

Because I thought he softed an innocent. And both of your claims check out. Unless you're scum together idk

Rigt, makes sense.

@Roden why did you say what you did about "wanting to try something different" when TRing Hu Tao?

Because I scum read Hu Tao almost every game and I thought she looked townier after Gob's town flip.

[Roden]

It's gonna be dumb if I get voted out for defending my town reads

[Roden]

Why are we not flipping Bingle or Elements

[Roden]

I feel like it's obvious that I'm not scum here and that I'm being honest about my claim

I've been pushing Celeb as scum for awhile, if I were actually scum pushing a town PR and Hu Tao made it clear that she thought someone softed an inno on her, then I was already set up to fake claim a PR equivalent to Neap so I could counter claim Celeb

What's the use in claiming BP when I had the trajectory to feasibly counter claim Celeb and get him voted out without having to use a NK to get rid of him

[Roden]

If FL wasnt 10000% town i would sus him for suspecting claimed bulletproof

Why? Bp is an incredibly convenient claim AFTER a ev dies. No one can guilty him, there’s no reason he would ever die at night and he didn’t share that he was a potential rc inno when the rc could have, yknow, made a bulletproof IC.

Rc not ev.

???

What

Rolecop wouldn't make me conftown, it would just confirm that I was telling the truth about being BP if I claimed it early

[Roden]

BP literally isn't supposed to claim early, their primary use is to draw the NK and give other town PRs an extra night to act

[Roden]

WIthout a Vig 1SBP seems weird for scum to have for a Simple though imo.

How so?

[Roden]

Yeah, to clarify my point, I'm agreeing that the 1-shot BP is a convenient claim that is likely a lie. I suspect he is the liar in the PR claims and doubt town has all 4 of the claimed PRs as they stand.

For the setup theorist nerds, what is the balance likelihood that Thom could be a Scum JK/RB?

Why do you think I fake claimed BP instead of trying to CC you?

[Roden]

WIthout a Vig 1SBP seems weird for scum to have for a Simple though imo.

How so?

We literally had this discussion about why a rolecop Neapolitan result is a clear

What does that have to do with 1-shot BP?

[Roden]

I'm honestly not sure what the motivation would be for that claim. I'm generally surprised counter claiming isn't something I've seen more often. From the games I've been in so far I've never actually seen someone attempt to go head to head in a true counter claim.

At this point, from a balance standpoint (I know very little about what a balanced setup looks like mind you) I just don't think town can have all 4 of those roles. I'm just trying to decide which of you or Thom is more likely to be lying. As the game has gone on, I've just town read Thom more than you.

Considering it's dangerous for the scum that have made VT claims, I'm surprised there weren't more PR fake claims to make my job harder since I can't confirm them, just that they aren't VTs. It would seem to me to have been a better strategy for all the scum players to fake claim PRs or at least one of them to CC me and get me out before I could find out otherwise.

This doesn't answer the question, you just talked around it.

[Roden]

My dude...if more scum aren't faking PR claims then they clearly aren't afraid of you being a Neap

Why do you think that is

[Roden]

If FL wasnt 10000% town i would sus him for suspecting claimed bulletproof

Why? Bp is an incredibly convenient claim AFTER a ev dies. No one can guilty him, there’s no reason he would ever die at night and he didn’t share that he was a potential rc inno when the rc could have, yknow, made a bulletproof IC.

Also what even is this logic?

At what point could the Rolecop have checked me? He died before he could even confirm the Neap. My claim can't be "convenient", because if I'm scum then I knew Wiz was going to die N2 anyway, so it didn't matter whether I claimed D2 or D3.

[Roden]

Thom, I do believe that you're a town JK, I was mainly playing devil's advocate with those posts and just trying to get a sanity check about whether or not I should be taking your claim as fact.

Roden, I did answer your question. I said I don't know why you would make that claim. How am I supposed to know what you were thinking when you made that claim. I'm not going to justify for you why it was a good or bad claim.

If you don't know why I would make that claim then 1) you have no case and 2) you aren't scum hunting.

[Roden]

I feel like it's obvious that I'm not scum here and that I'm being honest about my claim

I've been pushing Celeb as scum for awhile, if I were actually scum pushing a town PR and Hu Tao made it clear that she thought someone softed an inno on her, then I was already set up to fake claim a PR equivalent to Neap so I could counter claim Celeb

What's the use in claiming BP when I had the trajectory to feasibly counter claim Celeb and get him voted out without having to use a NK to get rid of him

Celeb if you cannot explain this then you are just caught scum

[Roden]

You want to push me as scum fake claiming BP, but you can't make a case for it and you can't even fathom a motivation for my actions

[Roden]

"It's not me so it's you" is not scum hunting lol

[Roden]

Who's the final scum Celeb? You said it's PoE right? So who is it?

[Roden]

Thank you for spewing those two as town, that's what I was looking for

[Roden]

Why me? People keep mentioning me as possible scum, but when i asked for you all to speak your concerns about me, then there was huge silence.

You're really only in the PoE if Celeb flips town.

[Roden]

Leaf's play here only makes sense if he's partnered with Bingle and Celeb

It's kind of the only play he can make if scum, since there's no other way for him to have a chance to win in final 3 ELO

Don't really see the town reasoning for him to confidently say Bingle is scum, say that flipping RC/Elements slot is a foregone conclusion, and then 180 to voting me because he thinks Hu Tao and I have scum equity, but somehow doesn't see or care that Bingle has been hard defending Celeb and shading people who push him for most of the game

[Roden]

Thomith I'm not scum, unvote

[Roden]

My play doesn't fucking make sense as scum and y'all know that, otherwise it would get refuted by now

[Roden]

In what fucking world did you get pocketed by Bingle and Celeb? What did they say to you today that they already didn't say to you yesterday?

[Roden]

Do not twist words saying I need to do something or you get pocketed by xyz

[Roden]

Why would I ever think a town!Lead would push me here when Bingle is basically rolling over and Celeb can't even formulate a single reason as to why he scum reads me

[Roden]

Why would I ever think a town!Leaf would push me here when Bingle is basically rolling over and Celeb can't even formulate a single reason as to why he scum reads me

[Roden]

Wait are you claiming that Celeb pocketed you by claiming an inno result???

Wtf else would scum!Celeb do in a town!Leaf world? Fake a guilty and 1-for-1 trade his life for yours?

[Roden]

Why wouldn’t i just go Elements

You tried. No one bit.

Or Hu Tao Tuesdays

Because I was always going to hard block that, but the reverse was never guaranteed. Her elim also has more resistance than mine.

[Roden]

The other issue is that the moment Bingle or Celeb flip scum, I'll be a lot harder to vote out and I can't get shot

If you want to end game as scum you kind of need me gone now

[Roden]

This is the worst time for the game to die

[Roden]

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Mass ping because y'all are the deciding votes

[Roden]

Also where's Maestro?

[Roden]

Bingle IS lame though

[Roden]

Do you think I was just trying to pocket you yesterday? What's preventing you from town reading me?

[Roden]

Sorry I was out, I've been sick and I got worse yesterday

[Roden]

VLA till Monday night. Sorry y’all, couchsurfing unexpectedly a couple nights.

So… work travel has been a nightmare bc of weather. I’m not saying this to garner any sympathy or support or anything, but I’m currently stuck in the Houston airport and likely won’t have any resolution to that issue until tomorrow afternoon.

Because of that I don’t know when I’ll be able to have real content. I don’t want to replace out, but my contributions for the rest of today are unfortunately going to be mostly nonexistent.

In case I’m not around to do this for deadline, VOTE: Roden

:/

[Roden]

Bleh

I don't think I can push Bingle

[Roden]

VOTE: Celeb

I think people are too scared to vote here but whatever

[Roden]

He should've died last night but scum felt more comfortable shooting the Rolecop even though it was publicly announced that Wiz would be protected

If they were fine with the risk that their kill could fail instead of just shooting the PR that can get innos and guilties, it kinda spews that slot as scum

[Roden]

Leaf knows this and I'd honestly rather just flip him so we can confirm Celeb as scum as well for faking an inno, but if people are too scared to flip Celeb then there's zero chance anyone votes Leaf today

[Roden]

If I get flipped today then whatever because it still SHOULD point to Bingle/Celeb/Leaf

But low key town always ignores reads from dead townies, so Hu Tao or Dunn probably just get voted in ELO and dead chat will get to post surprised Pikachu faces

[Roden]

Not sure if I should confirm who I'll pick, but I am for sure targeting in the VT claims minus FL and I am most likely picking within names that have been suggested. I'm not sure if confirming my pick will allow any shenanigans, so I'd rather not specifically say it.

I seriously don't understand how anyone could think this is town lol

We already know there aren't shenanigans, we told him to check Leaf yesterday and he apparently did so without issues

The only reason he would want to keep his choice hidden would be because he doesn't know yet whether he needs to fake a guilty on Hu Tao tomorrow or an inno on Bingle

[Roden]

There's a few other things I want to get into but that'll have to wait until I get home in a few hours

[Roden]

If I get flipped today then whatever because it still SHOULD point to Bingle/Celeb/Leaf

But low key town always ignores reads from dead townies, so Hu Tao or Dunn probably just get voted in ELO and dead chat will get to post surprised Pikachu faces

[Roden]

I still think what bingle said earlier was lame to say as scum. But to each their own.

Bingle playing extremely lame single-handedly won scum this game IMO

[Roden]

Thanks for modding DE, Gamma too if she sees this