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[Gypyx]

Feck... I'm a baby here....

Please be gentle. So if I think so someone's spouting crap I should say so?

I'd strongly advise you to check out the guides about townplay that we have on the mafiascum wiki, they're way more insightful than what anyone here could reasonably say

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... y_Articles

[Gypyx]

Hi.

I like your entrance the best.

You are town.

Thank you. I will blindly trust this and say you're town too!

VOTE: Hu Tao

kinda wanna say this comes from scum? Like, there's a bit of a "oh god i gotta appear towny" in those words imho
"blindly" also sounds hyperaware of the lack of info a townie would normally have

[Gypyx]

Recounted. 3 votes alianna. Undoing vote

VOTE: None

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Why so scared, afraid to get your hands dirty mayhaps?

[Gypyx]

Good vibes coming from Gamma otherwise

[Gypyx]

Feck... I'm a baby here....

Please be gentle. So if I think so someone's spouting crap I should say so?

I'd strongly advise you to check out the guides about townplay that we have on the mafiascum wiki, they're way more insightful than what anyone here could reasonably say

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... y_Articles

And why specifically the townplay guides? This looks TMI-ish.
Though 39 does suggest you're aware of the info difference between town and scum, so it'd be kind of weird if you did actually TMI-slip and then

that

was your next post. Hmmmmmmmm, you can be a townlean for now (probably will have to check my logic tomorrow because it's getting pretty late and my brain is fried). I'm still interested in the answer to that question though.

I'm often talking to people with the assumption that they're town, can provide previous quotes on that in other games if this interests you

And on top of that, if you check the page there's also like, a lot of guides, so it kinda helps to narrow it down a bit more

[Gypyx]

Hi.

I like your entrance the best.

You are town.

Thank you. I will blindly trust this and say you're town too!

VOTE: Hu Tao

kinda wanna say this comes from scum? Like, there's a bit of a "oh god i gotta appear towny" in those words imho
"blindly" also sounds hyperaware of the lack of info a townie would normally have

I don’t think Hu Tao’s post is that bad
I will say I am likewise getting good vibes from you
For the time being I think a town block of you, me, Hu Tao, and FuDuzn works

Oh yeah it's not lockscum bad but like, we're pushing the game fowards bestie, let's pretend it's more than it is

not sure what a townblock is supposed to do there tbh, unless that's just a way for you to state your reads

[Gypyx]

I wish i could time travel

huh? what prompts this?

I am tired so i wish to time travel straight to my bed

Well um actually the correct superpowed would be teleportation as time travels only allows you to move through time and not space

[Gypyx]

Spoiler: Gamma Reply

Hi.

I like your entrance the best.

You are town.

Thank you. I will blindly trust this and say you're town too!

VOTE: Hu Tao

kinda wanna say this comes from scum? Like, there's a bit of a "oh god i gotta appear towny" in those words imho
"blindly" also sounds hyperaware of the lack of info a townie would normally have

I don’t think Hu Tao’s post is that bad
I will say I am likewise getting good vibes from you
For the time being I think a town block of you, me, Hu Tao, and FuDuzn works

Oh yeah it's not lockscum bad but like, we're pushing the game fowards bestie, let's pretend it's more than it is

not sure what a townblock is supposed to do there tbh, unless that's just a way for you to state your reads

I’m trying something sorta-different: I’m going to try to form a townblock in EVERY game I play. I have done them before and even tried to do them in most games for a certain time period but I’ve never gone the total saturation route I think? I think it’s going to be personally enlightening in a few ways, but I want to keep those sekret.

Well, guess i'm down to see where this town8lock stuff goes !

Still not sold on Hu Tao being a good addition to it though but i'll keep an eye on where this all goes then

Fixed broken tag

[Gypyx]

whoops, new year same me who can't structure posts

[Gypyx]

best mod ever, can i marry you

[Gypyx]

Hi.

I like your entrance the best.

You are town.

Thank you. I will blindly trust this and say you're town too!

VOTE: Hu Tao

kinda wanna say this comes from scum? Like, there's a bit of a "oh god i gotta appear towny" in those words imho
"blindly" also sounds hyperaware of the lack of info a townie would normally have

Hu Tao's post sounds like the kind of thing a townie would say tbf

Wrong !!!! here come the locusts

On second thought maybe i should stop focusing on all that, but this post feels more like scum trying too hard to be town for me?

[Gypyx]

fuck, missed on RVS

I'll just pretend nothing of note happened and VOTE: Upwards

How about you don't pretend it's still RVS and come play the game with us my friend

[Gypyx]

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[Gypyx]

I'm opening up the old sublime text Mafia notes templates again. What a time to be alive.

Only vibe leans atm are Gypyx as town and Claptastik as Scum, but they are purely on vibes based on early d1 behaviour, and tells are almost always useless, esp. as you two seem to have been playing for ages.

Feck... I'm a baby here....

Please be gentle. So if I think so someone's spouting crap I should say so?

I'd strongly advise you to check out the guides about townplay that we have on the mafiascum wiki, they're way more insightful than what anyone here could reasonably say

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... y_Articles

And why specifically the townplay guides? This looks TMI-ish.
Though 39 does suggest you're aware of the info difference between town and scum, so it'd be kind of weird if you did actually TMI-slip and then

that

was your next post. Hmmmmmmmm, you can be a townlean for now (probably will have to check my logic tomorrow because it's getting pretty late and my brain is fried). I'm still interested in the answer to that question though.

Like, this gives town vibes just because it's the kind of non-committal, but still roughly reasoned out thinking I'd expect, whereas #66, #68 and #70 feel a bit more accusatory? Just feels off for the first 24 hours of the first day.

E: tag fix

aaaah yes, agressive = scum and nice = town

clap certainely feels like town motivated agression here, can't tell if Margot has got her radar calibrated on the complete opposite of mine or if she's just scum afraid of a proactive townie

and while this got me thinking about it, i gotta say the Alianna post in question looks pretty bad to me? Like, it's *extremely* reasonable, and non-antagonizing immediatly afterwards, almost like the main worry is making sure i don't get angry about it

[Gypyx]

Feck... I'm a baby here....

Please be gentle. So if I think so someone's spouting crap I should say so?

I'd strongly advise you to check out the guides about townplay that we have on the mafiascum wiki, they're way more insightful than what anyone here could reasonably say

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... y_Articles

And why specifically the townplay guides? This looks TMI-ish.
Though 39 does suggest you're aware of the info difference between town and scum, so it'd be kind of weird if you did actually TMI-slip and then

that

was your next post. Hmmmmmmmm, you can be a townlean for now (probably will have to check my logic tomorrow because it's getting pretty late and my brain is fried). I'm still interested in the answer to that question though.

Yeah I read the post and thought, how does they know I'm town? I thought it was only a thing scums would know...

Kinda like this from Zebe, obviously the reasoning doesn't sound too fluid, but like, idk, i feel like scum!Zebe wouldn't know / think of how to say that

and while i'm at it She/Her pretty please !!! <3 Neutral pronouns are fine but not my fave

[Gypyx]

Day 1 Vet Bait here, TP/LO on me. Oh wait, wrong game.

Alrighty, so here we are, my first ever comment in my first ever Mafia game. Super excited to try this out, hope I find the time to properly contribute.

I found this site by reading about a funny jester role in a Mafia game with 100 players, and then I kinda got hooked and read the whole thing. It was interesting. My main takeaway was that the dude with the Majoras Mask Profil picture was right, town needs to rule with an iron fist. Less chitty chatty, more substance.

That said, seeing as I’m new to this I obviously don’t intend to tell others how to play. Not like I’d be familiar with the normal meta here already. In Town of Salem which is my main experience with this sort of genre so far it would be customary to start by going down the playerlist asking for roles, but from what I understand that’s not how it works here?

So I guess I will just start talking about things I find notable reading the previous conversations. Please let me know if you think anything about the points I am making or if I am mistaken in some way.

GL,HF

Right on so far ! As it seems you've played way more ToS (may i ask if it was on the forums or the actual game?) i'd say mostly that in terms of roles, you need to expect half the town to not have any powers, scum huting is therefore way less reliant on mechanical data and more like, actually reading people, take all i say with a grain of salt obviously, but try to focus on seeing the intent / mindset / agenda behind what people are saying, should be a good start

[Gypyx]

Hi.

I like your entrance the best.

You are town.

Thank you. I will blindly trust this and say you're town too!

VOTE: Hu Tao

kinda wanna say this comes from scum? Like, there's a bit of a "oh god i gotta appear towny" in those words imho
"blindly" also sounds hyperaware of the lack of info a townie would normally have

VOTE: gypyx

Die Die Die

hope that's not a serious vote tbh

[Gypyx]

eeeeh, just gonna pretend i think Hu Tao is town for now and i'm challenging that when we get to it

[Gypyx]

eeeeh, just gonna pretend i think Hu Tao is town for now and i'm challenging that when we get to it

Nope. No going back. You MUST decide now if I'm town or not.

Nuh uh

to be clearer i feel like you're the kind of slot that's gonna get easier to read as the game goes on, plus i don't trust i'd be able to successfully lead a push on you anyways (regardless of ur alignement) so no real point dwelling on that

[Gypyx]

VOTE: MargotRosa

Anyways wanna vote a slot that's been weirdly shy about things?

[Gypyx]

eeeeh, just gonna pretend i think Hu Tao is town for now and i'm challenging that when we get to it

Nope. No going back. You MUST decide now if I'm town or not.

Nuh uh

to be clearer i feel like you're the kind of slot that's gonna get easier to read as the game goes on, plus i don't trust i'd be able to successfully lead a push on you anyways (regardless of ur alignement) so no real point dwelling on that

Can you clarify why you think I'll be easier to read as the game goes on?

Short bursts of posts are usually pretty hard to read in a vaccum but as we get more and more additional context it basically gives more material around which to analyse what you're saying

at least that's how i think it should go, still a bit rusty of mafia stuff

[Gypyx]

VOTE: MargotRosa

Anyways wanna vote a slot that's been weirdly shy about things?

VOTE: MargotRosa

I somewhat agree with this idea. I think she’s just been not present but wouldn’t mind leaving her a little present on her return

I'm down with this vote (despite only having 2 posts myself)
VOTE: MargotRosa

Why so self-concious about this, do you think you're being scummy when saying that?

i guess Lucca already pointed it out so yea i agree

[Gypyx]

Feck... I'm a baby here....

Please be gentle. So if I think so someone's spouting crap I should say so?

I'd strongly advise you to check out the guides about townplay that we have on the mafiascum wiki, they're way more insightful than what anyone here could reasonably say

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... y_Articles

And why specifically the townplay guides? This looks TMI-ish.
Though 39 does suggest you're aware of the info difference between town and scum, so it'd be kind of weird if you did actually TMI-slip and then

that

was your next post. Hmmmmmmmm, you can be a townlean for now (probably will have to check my logic tomorrow because it's getting pretty late and my brain is fried). I'm still interested in the answer to that question though.

I'm often talking to people with the assumption that they're town, can provide previous quotes on that in other games if this interests you

And on top of that, if you check the page there's also like, a lot of guides, so it kinda helps to narrow it down a bit more

Quotes would be helpful to verify, but I'm inclined to believe this.

Yeah so sorry but i'm kinda struggling to find quotes to provide you actually, recalling it happened is quite a big gap from finding what happened exactly it seems lol

[Gypyx]

Anyways here's a recap about what i think of everyone, not sure that's too useful but whatever

Spoiler: ooo

Upwards

Classic newbie slot, i feel like they're still quite likely to be scum? Obviously their reasoning is always gonna be somewhat rough, but there's an air of it being fabricated? Him stating his entry paragraph was motivated by worrying of being unoriginal makes me think it leans scum for instance

Hu Tao

Nope. Not looking there

Naerys

The very few posts she made are decently towny i guess, besides this game doesn't feel like we have too many scums still MIA so i'm inclined to not be too worried

Claptastik

Towniest town in the town of townsville, they've felt motivated and like they're questionning the correct things

lucca261

Had some elements of suspicion but his latest posts have been better, especially since i've mindmelded with him on quite a few reads

FuDuzn

While i do agree with the town vibes, i think people are kind of a bit too eager to put him as town, i guess i'm just being more wary of that kind of "constant stream of mild towniness" when it comes from an experienced player (or at least that's how i'm reading you)

Gamma Emerald

Somewhat of a gut read but i've been really thinking it is town, i guess depending on how that towblock stuff goes i'll reevaluate or lock it as town?

(btw hope i'm correctly using your pronouns there, not too sure on how "it" is supposed to work)

Laplacian

Posts averaging between bad and extremely NAI, of course it's not like there's a ton of them but... blergh, it's pretty bad

Zebedee

If this isn't obvtown newbie them i don't know what is

MargotRosa

Waiting on more obviously but this slot has been very conspicuous

DeltaWave

ughhhh... slightest of townleans i guess?

Alianna

Alianna has felt good, very natural and stuff, this is a mix of a gut read and just not seeing the scum intent in her things, it also seems like she geniuenly view herself as town

[Gypyx]

flavor

Dragon Fact #4:

While often depicted as cruel and beastly monsters, dragons are actually highly intelligent, and have a better grasp on science than most humans. In fact, dragons invented modern computers!

Weren't the fantasy facts supposed to be fake ?

[Gypyx]

Re: 185 (btw Gypyx is my strongest town read)

Upwards - I'm null on. People on both sides of Upwards should remember that scum have daytalk. If he's scum he has coaching available.

Gamma - I'm not seeing town at all. Not particularly seeing scum either.

Zebedee - I get it, but not as strongly as you do.

Alianna - Like Gamma, I'm not seeing the town. Null.

While i agree i'm probably overplaying some reads here and there, i'll just say that while upwards *could* be coached, i doubt his scumbuddies would go and rewrite each post on a word by word basis, more like, focus on telling him what should be said or done

therefore as the tone is mainly what irks me about him, i don't think that's something to be worried about

[Gypyx]

You need to input your answer after the "[/quote]" part

[Gypyx]

use the preview button in case you have any doubts

[Gypyx]

Anyways here's a recap about what i think of everyone, not sure that's too useful but whatever

Spoiler: ooo

Upwards

Classic newbie slot, i feel like they're still quite likely to be scum? Obviously their reasoning is always gonna be somewhat rough, but there's an air of it being fabricated? Him stating his entry paragraph was motivated by worrying of being unoriginal makes me think it leans scum for instance

I think you misunderstood me. I wasn’t really worrying, it was more me being excited to finally start. Hypothetically speaking, which upside would I have as Scum to open like this? To put anything out there right away that people might feel strange about? None that would come to my mind at least.

While i get the excitement, i feel that as town you would be less focused on if what you wished to say would come out good as since you're town, it should naturally be towny

and otherwise i think that as a new scum player, most people are probably *really* scared of messing up themselves and their allies, therefore prompting you to become somewhat of an overexplainer

doesn't help that i haven't seen much coming from you that strikes me as a "wow that's genuine !"

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[Gypyx]

OH GOD NOOOO I DID TOOO

UPWARDS THIS IS ALL YOUR FAULT

[Gypyx]

Anyways here's a recap about what i think of everyone, not sure that's too useful but whatever

Spoiler: ooo

Upwards

Classic newbie slot, i feel like they're still quite likely to be scum? Obviously their reasoning is always gonna be somewhat rough, but there's an air of it being fabricated? Him stating his entry paragraph was motivated by worrying of being unoriginal makes me think it leans scum for instance

I think you misunderstood me. I wasn’t really worrying, it was more me being excited to finally start. Hypothetically speaking, which upside would I have as Scum to open like this? To put anything out there right away that people might feel strange about? None that would come to my mind at least.

While i get the excitement, i feel that as town you would be less focused on if what you wished to say would come out good as since you're town, it should naturally be towny

Yes! Exactly my thinking, it shouldn’t come across this suspicious to you and yet I’ve been told otherwise which strikes me as strange. Will try to make my mind up about this situation when I have more time later today, as well as hopefully getting to write something about most players in this.

i honestly don't really care about what more you can give as an explaination at this point tbh, just focus on other stuff

E: fixed formatting. For reference, the original post was thusly:

Spoiler:

Anyways here's a recap about what i think of everyone, not sure that's too useful but whatever

Spoiler: ooo

Upwards

Classic newbie slot, i feel like they're still quite likely to be scum? Obviously their reasoning is always gonna be somewhat rough, but there's an air of it being fabricated? Him stating his entry paragraph was motivated by worrying of being unoriginal makes me think it leans scum for instance

I think you misunderstood me. I wasn’t really worrying, it was more me being excited to finally start. Hypothetically speaking, which upside would I have as Scum to open like this? To put anything out there right away that people might feel strange about? None that would come to my mind at least.

While i get the excitement, i feel that as town you would be less focused on if what you wished to say would come out good as since you're town, it should naturally be towny

Yes! Exactly my thinking, it shouldn’t come across this suspicious to you and yet I’ve been told otherwise which strikes me as strange. Will try to make my mind up about this situation when I have more time later today, as well as hopefully getting to write something about most players in this.

i honestly don't really care about what more you can give as an explaination at this point tbh, just focus on other stuff

[Gypyx]

by zeus this can't be happening

[Gypyx]

No keep them as is it's funny

[Gypyx]

Gamma Emerald

Somewhat of a gut read but i've been really thinking it is town, i guess depending on how that towblock stuff goes i'll reevaluate or lock it as town?

Can you expand on this or is it pure gut? I looked at D1 in some past town games of hers and this game feels different.

Gotta say, it's my first time playing in a while, my meta isn't as fresh as it could be and i'm generally not too fond of these kind of reads !

To expand on it, some comments like 179 or 114 Make me read her as like, more laid back that usual, but eager to help with anything constructive?

But yeah i gotta admit in a vaccum the ISO is not stellar, i wouldn't shut down any somewhat constructed argument against her

[Gypyx]

Hot take but people should be allowed to switch up their playstyle

it especially gets less worth as a meta read here cause Gamma is making a conscious effort to switch up how she plays rather than failing to reproduce her town meta

[Gypyx]

VOTE: MargotRosa

Anyways wanna vote a slot that's been weirdly shy about things?

VOTE: MargotRosa

I somewhat agree with this idea. I think she’s just been not present but wouldn’t mind leaving her a little present on her return

I'm down with this vote (despite only having 2 posts myself)
VOTE: MargotRosa

Why so self-concious about this, do you think you're being scummy when saying that?

i guess Lucca already pointed it out so yea i agree

.. 114 in that quote Gamma called MR "not present". Commenting my voting a lurker while also being low post count isn't self-conscious, it's having a healthy appreciation for irony.

Also, 185 you put both me and Margot as scummy. I was 3rd on the vote train you started for them, hopping on within an hour. If we're both scum, why would I bus so quickly and give the vote momentum?

I guess it could be irony yea, it just didn't strike me as that in the moment, and once again,

and also, that one's more of a personal scumtell of mine, why would you, as a townie, think about what scum!You would you? i'm kinda reading that as the fact that you were hoping to gain towncred for that and you're annoyed it's not working out

also yeah, as claps said, acting as if mafiosos never vote each other early

[Gypyx]

once again you're more likely to come up with that joke if you're worried abour being viewed as a lurker to start with*

[Gypyx]

I'm on that weird path where I kinda think my only scumread so far is Upwards for

@91

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Not to play armchair psychologist, but I think a guy who read a 100-person game on this website (and probably read several wallposts on the way) would feel a little more paranoid on his first post.

Too non-commital, too agreeable. This paragraph in particular:

So I guess I will just start talking about things I find notable reading the previous conversations. Please let me know if you think anything about the points I am making or if I am mistaken in some way.

I mean, this looks a lot like newbscum to me.

Why exactly should I be paranoid, and of what? Don’t really get your point here.

The thing is: if you are town here, it's very likely that scum will try to use your status as a new player to advance their game. Not in a "I'm evil, kill all the newbies" way, but maybe by buddying you, maybe by trying to use you as elimbait, stuff like this.

Being so open on your opening post, even asking people to correct you? I see newb!town would be a little more wary, especially on a game like this with several very experienced players.

Keep in mind this is a early D1 read, so it's not final or decisive in any way. But it's something that pinged me early game.

My first reaction to this was a buddy talking to a buddy, kind of a tinfoily take but I wanted it out there to see if someone else agrees, of I am just seeing something that isn't there.

Yeah i can totally see it, although i also agree this feels quite tinfoil-ish, think we keep this in mind for if we manage to flip one of them as scum?

[Gypyx]

I'm on that weird path where I kinda think my only scumread so far is Upwards for

@91

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Not to play armchair psychologist, but I think a guy who read a 100-person game on this website (and probably read several wallposts on the way) would feel a little more paranoid on his first post.

Too non-commital, too agreeable. This paragraph in particular:

So I guess I will just start talking about things I find notable reading the previous conversations. Please let me know if you think anything about the points I am making or if I am mistaken in some way.

I mean, this looks a lot like newbscum to me.

Why exactly should I be paranoid, and of what? Don’t really get your point here.

The thing is: if you are town here, it's very likely that scum will try to use your status as a new player to advance their game. Not in a "I'm evil, kill all the newbies" way, but maybe by buddying you, maybe by trying to use you as elimbait, stuff like this.

Being so open on your opening post, even asking people to correct you? I see newb!town would be a little more wary, especially on a game like this with several very experienced players.

Keep in mind this is a early D1 read, so it's not final or decisive in any way. But it's something that pinged me early game.

Ah, now I get where you’re coming from. See, just because I’m new doesn’t mean I can’t differentiate between someone being nice and someone making sense. So at that point I was less worried about getting tricked than about understanding how to proceed, since when I started posting there was very little I could conclude from the previous content. Think I have a better grasp now.

But while I’m familiar with the term buddying, what’s elimbait?

Elimination-bait, a very scummy townie that the actual scum can push without much worry to take the heat off them

It's derived from lynchbait, but since "lynch" is no longer an allowed word on here that's the most popular alternative

[Gypyx]

and also, that one's more of a personal scumtell of mine, why would you, as a townie, think about what scum!You would you? i'm kinda reading that as the fact that you were hoping to gain towncred for that and you're annoyed it's not working out

I actually do something like this myself (reflect on my own actions and consider how I would read them, how I’d expect others to read them, and how they fit into my concept of my own meta)

Yeah i'm absolutely saying this cause i'm guilty of it too lol

anyways what do you think of your whole back and forth with clap?

[Gypyx]

STAHP VOTING GAMMA YOU MEANIES >:CCCCCC

nah in all seriousness i kinda hate the general vibes around it's wagon, hard to describe but like, it feels like a lot of people each finding their own small thing to be suspicious about

[Gypyx]

VOTE: MargotRosa

Anyways wanna vote a slot that's been weirdly shy about things?

Gypyx, you voted Margot back here, when she had 5 posts. She has 8 posts since. Are you still happy with this wagon? If so can you make the case?

Yeah i've been meaning to make a more develloped case but i'm in a pretty bad mood right now so that'll have to be delayed for a bit

From my (admittedly quite superficial) read of her posts my mind isn't really changed though

[Gypyx]

am back, sorry for the dissapearance, checked through the new stuff, and nothing too big it seems ?

Gonna reevaluate margot / gamma since those two seem like the important slots for the day

[Gypyx]

@Gamma how's your Hu Tao read going? I guess you've got her in the townblock but i'd be interested on where's your mind about her

[Gypyx]

This is the current state of the gamma wagon :

Spoiler:

OK, I misunderstood the reference.

That's fine. Overall my town read on you still stands because of everything else. But this goes to show that sometimes you can just misread a thread- which is how this whole line of conversation started, with my mistake on Lucca's post.

VOTE: Gamma, but I would unvote if Gamma got to E-1. I still want to get more information out of Alianna's replacement and to get some more activity in general going from people who are lower in the post counts. I'd also like Zeb to explain his vote, which seemed to come out of nowhere, and which made me think some things that I'll share after he explains.

I thought Hu Tao´s entry was towny but as the game progressed, i dont like her dynamics with Gamma at all.
Also dont like Gamma´s reasoning for switching vote on Claptastik. Overall i get a feeling like Gamma is trying to position herself as town, and is worried that she doesnt look towny enough.
I think Gamma+Hu Tao are buddies.
VOTE: Gamma

Okay here we go.

I find Gamma suspicious for the townblock on day 1 when that’s a time where there’s really little basis for such a thing.

On the flipside I like Claptastic, Deltawave and Laplacian for calling it out.

I’m really mixed on Gypyx. She’s very active which is probably a good sign, but then again I don’t like my exchange with her. In #92 she feels the need to state that I shouldn’t blindly trust her, which is obvious enough that it irritated even me as a beginner. What follows is this strange discussion only to end it somewhat condescendingly in #206. Not a fan.

this is surface level analysis
Regardless of my alignment I think calling my townblock out is an easy thing to do as scum. This seems less like a real thought process and more like reflexively giving townpoints to player who’ve criticized me.

I will have you know that all my thoughts are perfectly real, thank you very much. Sorry if they don’t live up to your standards.

So here’s the thing, I believe you’re right. It is an easy play for Scum to call out Townblocks. But it’s just as easy for Scum to get the idea of forming an early town block. And the latter would be way more problematic so that’s what I am more concerned with right now.

So what do you make of that?

I think it would be foolish for me to pigeonhole myself into a position where I would have to maintain my towniness when I feel like I am better at scum when sieing chaos and letting my flip cause wild goose chases

Yeah okay but if you’re scum why play for eventually getting flipped? It actively makes it harder to fulfill Mafias Win Con.

This looks to me like a dubious exchange at best. So nothing I’d reasonably expect from a player like you who has claimed to have played a ton of games.

In other words, I don’t believe you here.

Therefore

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Excellent, great minds etc!

riddle me this: what's my scum motive here? Since you + Delta seem dead set on suspecting me here

I previously gave a scum motive for it, and it seems like you saw it, so why are you asking again, as if no motive had been given?

You do realize I stated my approach to this game was a bit special, right?

Yes, and I find that approach - declaring a 4-person townblock in post 44 - to be highly suspicious.

Town blocks are great when they form organically, over time. I don't see town motivation for your approach. Seems more likely to be scum buddying.

Before that, Delta said the same in 162.

Now, you tell me what you think the scum motive is. As noted, your point that it's easy to call someone out as scummy for a premature manufactured town block means that you also see apparent scum motivation for it. Do you also think it's for buddying, or do you have additional reasons?

Earlier you said something about doing this for private reasons. If you now had reacted like

Yeah, I know it appears scummy, but again I have private reasons for doing it

I probably would have let it slide, at least today. But, you're doubling down, pointing fingers at me and others and acting like we're scummy for pointing out the obvious - which, again, you unwittingly agreed to by saying that scum reading you here is easy.

VOTE: Gamma

VOTE: DragonEater70

This draconian leader must be overthrown! Anarchy must reign!!!

I do agree with this after we kill Gamma

Fine, Gamma can die first.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

VOTE: Alianna
I am familiar with 2 players in this game

Then don't vote Alianna

We have, from the oldest to the newest

a RVS vote

Claptastik who, idk, kinda feels like he's tunnelled? Obviously there's some right stuff coming from him, but there also a lot of "Yeah Gamma interacted with a lot of people, let's kill her for info !" which just sounds like a way to justify your vote when she's flipping town (ok tinfoil off i swear)

upwards who, no offense but his vote isn't really based on a lot more than not understeanding the place gamma is coming from, which that's somewhat fair but i think we can ask more for a day 1 flip

Naerys is calling a tilt vote from Gamma as "being worried she isn't towny enough" which, huh, don't think that's how being scum works, i especially don't think scum gamma feeds a whole 3 pages long argument to clap so that he can lock himself onto her

And Deltawave is looking pretty reasonable, but also came last so it's not even like she gave the spark and made the others follow through, i'd probably call her wrong for the right reasons

i think that i can say without exagerrating much that there's litterally a single good vote on this wagon

i'm also feeling somewhat less confident about margot, would be down to try laplacian if it's a viable counterwagon

[Gypyx]

VOTE: Laplacian let's fucking gooooooo

[Gypyx]

Can we agree to not redo what we did yesterday? kthxbye

[Gypyx]

post it then you coward

[Gypyx]

GG
I am 1shot vigilant and i shot a scum

kisses you kisses you kisses you kisses y

[Gypyx]

ngl Lucca you reminded me of my Margot and Lapla scumbuddies pipe dream

thinking clap might be the third? or at least it makes a lot of sense, idk, i like when things make sense

[Gypyx]

769 is a great post tbh Lucca, only question would be who do you think is the bad guy in all that then?

[Gypyx]

VOTE: Upwards

down to do upwards too yeah, this mafia stuff is easy

[Gypyx]

Votecount

Not Voting (10):

Upwards, Hu Tao, Naerys, Claptastik, lucca261, Laplacian, Prince of Paterson, Gypyx,

MargotRosa

, DeltaWave, Enchant

Sus

What do you mean by that

[Gypyx]

oh ok

[Gypyx]

ngl Lucca you reminded me of my Margot and Lapla scumbuddies pipe dream

thinking clap might be the third? or at least it makes a lot of sense, idk, i like when things make sense

You should flesh that out and push one of us.

eh, not like it's suuuuper urgent right? besides i'm not really itching to make my case on you for that matter, hope it doesn't bother you too much

as for my upwards vote i trust Lucca and that his thoughtprocess is roughly as good as mine, besides i've always felt about him, so yeah

[Gypyx]

Dont like Laplacians 781, Gypyx' 783, and Hu Taos 813. In ToS at least it’s considered suspicious congratulating a successful Vig since there aren’t much cheaper townpoints imaginable.

So we aren't allowed to banter anymore huh, only serious buisness

[Gypyx]

anyways gonna see a bit what MMRP does before casing anything i guess

[Gypyx]

VOTE: Enchant

Gods smite you, mortal.

Hey enchant my buddy my friend my big pal what's your opinion of Upward / Clap ?

[Gypyx]

Anyways, gotten around to thinking about Hu Tao again, and i think this slot's kinda weird? At least in terms of good stuff, the interactions with Margot look kinda good 660 and Margot's big read list where she pretty much puts them as scumlean, but with declared intent to get around to pushing them

On the other side, sitting on delta has maaaybe a bit of scum equity for them, as like, that wagon was kind of not going anywhere for a long while? (granted, no wagons were really going anywhere apart from Gamma but such pasiveness kinda indicates a willingness to let things go that way without involving oneself) on top of that if Hu Tao is indeed scum then i think we need to look for the 3rd on the actual Gamma wagon as there's almost no chance that thing is actually pure

Also is gamma at e-1 right now? Seems like it? I could be wrong though

If gamma gets to e-1 I'm quick hammering

Cold feet

this also weird me out a bit as a "my shitposting isn't really working out anymore but i wanna pretend it's still a thing, which is imo more likely to come from a scum mindset aka : more willing to fake viewpoints

kinda annoys me to have that many scumreads but it'll prolly be fine (clueless)

[Gypyx]

Even if gamma is scum I don't think Margot is partner here.

also there was this (during the Gamma flip) which just sounds like a weird thing to say in hu tao's postion

[Gypyx]

My opinion is pretty clear.

VOTE: Laplacian

Great first impression, especially when you replaced into a slot that HuDuzn had suspicions of. (127, 142)

Also, setup speculation since DE70 was has past games in his sig.

His 2 games leaned towards lots of weaker roles, with lots of use or time restrictions. This matches maf's 1 shot jug, so I'd expect them to have 1 more PR waiting. Rolecop could make sense with the 4+ town PRs I'm assuming.

We definitely have a bodyguard or doc because of the jug. From the two one-shot roles, this game fits the weaker roles meta. I'd guess 1 more solid role or 2 weak ones, probably including a limited investigator either way.

It's the second time Lap answered a vote with a out-of-nowhere super defensive OMGUS that makes zero sense and them they immediately follow it with a setup speculation that could only benefit mafia
then on the next post he gets pre-emptively defensive about it

with all due respect Lap this is so incredibly scummy that I could only see it coming from town in a weird way

I get what you're saying in a way but like, too scummy to be scum town should still have some reedeeming points where they appear town right? not really seeing that in lap's game

[Gypyx]

Anyways, gotten around to thinking about Hu Tao again, and i think this slot's kinda weird? At least in terms of good stuff, the interactions with Margot look kinda good 660 and Margot's big read list where she pretty much puts them as scumlean, but with declared intent to get around to pushing them

On the other side, sitting on delta has maaaybe a bit of scum equity for them, as like, that wagon was kind of not going anywhere for a long while? (granted, no wagons were really going anywhere apart from Gamma but such pasiveness kinda indicates a willingness to let things go that way without involving oneself) on top of that if Hu Tao is indeed scum then i think we need to look for the 3rd on the actual Gamma wagon as there's almost no chance that thing is actually pure

Also is gamma at e-1 right now? Seems like it? I could be wrong though

If gamma gets to e-1 I'm quick hammering

Cold feet

this also weird me out a bit as a "my shitposting isn't really working out anymore but i wanna pretend it's still a thing, which is imo more likely to come from a scum mindset aka : more willing to fake viewpoints

kinda annoys me to have that many scumreads but it'll prolly be fine (clueless)

Ironic because I was just thinking you could be scum again

alas we are but the Romeo and Juliet of mafiascum, bound to destroy each other no mattern the strength of our love

[Gypyx]

Discrediting me as shitposting day 1 when I had quite a few reads is scummy as well.

yeah so, i think you misundersteand my point here, yeah you did stuff day 1, more than the average player even, i'm more talking about the progression of "hey i'm gonna quickbhammer" to "i'm not actually"

[Gypyx]

Hey Randy i love the thing you've got going on over here, keep slaying queen <3

[Gypyx]

Anyways, gotten around to thinking about Hu Tao again, and i think this slot's kinda weird? At least in terms of good stuff, the interactions with Margot look kinda good 660 and Margot's big read list where she pretty much puts them as scumlean, but with declared intent to get around to pushing them

On the other side, sitting on delta has maaaybe a bit of scum equity for them, as like, that wagon was kind of not going anywhere for a long while? (granted, no wagons were really going anywhere apart from Gamma but such pasiveness kinda indicates a willingness to let things go that way without involving oneself) on top of that if Hu Tao is indeed scum then i think we need to look for the 3rd on the actual Gamma wagon as there's almost no chance that thing is actually pure

Also is gamma at e-1 right now? Seems like it? I could be wrong though

If gamma gets to e-1 I'm quick hammering

Cold feet

this also weird me out a bit as a "my shitposting isn't really working out anymore but i wanna pretend it's still a thing, which is imo more likely to come from a scum mindset aka : more willing to fake viewpoints

kinda annoys me to have that many scumreads but it'll prolly be fine (clueless)

yeah i think if there's another scum off the gamma wagon then it's probably HT given that Zeb interactions with Gamma were towny

i still kinda think both scum were on wagon tho

Yeah agreed that we should be looking on the wagon today, this is more of me finding Hu Tao individually scummy despite what VCA would recommend

[Gypyx]

Town:

Naerys

Townreads:

Gypyx

Townleans:

Laplacian
Upwards

I'm not voting any of those right now.

Alianna I found suspicious early for reasons that others have already talked about. Her posts seemed too manufactured and like she was forcing herself to generate content. Particularly 42, the thought process on display doesn't feel naturally developed, so it reads as performative. She disappeared so it's hard to feel confident in a read here.

Hu Tao and lucca are players that I'm conflicted on. For most of my time reading I thought Hu Tao was scum, but the way her reads developed over time made me start to doubt that, because she may just be on the right track. lucca I liked early and has what feels like a good process to me but I don't like the results that he ends up at, and some of them have felt like they may have an agenda. My gut feeling right now is that one of these two is mafia. I'll elaborate more on why if I find the read persists.

Delta and Claptastic are who I found to be most suspicious but I don't believe they're scum together. I haven't read any the replacement's posts yet, but Claptastic's aggressive posturing felt like it was coming from an informed place to me, especially surrounding the Margot wagon and pushing people onto Gamma. I didn't like Delta's readlist in 264, and 370 didn't feel like the town variety of defensiveness.

I want to review a bit more before deciding where I'd like to look first for today. I don't have one scumread that stands out above the rest, and my pool is too wide, so I'd like to try to narrow it.

Could you detail your upwards read pretty please? Think an alternate perspective would help me see if i'm tunneling or something

[Gypyx]

Discrediting me as shitposting day 1 when I had quite a few reads is scummy as well.

yeah so, i think you misundersteand my point here, yeah you did stuff day 1, more than the average player even, i'm more talking about the progression of "hey i'm gonna quickbhammer" to "i'm not actually"

Passion explained my reasoning for that

Yeah i saw that, i guess that one's my bad, besides in the grand scheme of things i don't feel like it makes a ton of sense for you to be scum so i'm kinda walking back that read yeah

[Gypyx]

Dont like Laplacians 781, Gypyx' 783, and Hu Taos 813. In ToS at least it’s considered suspicious congratulating a successful Vig since there aren’t much cheaper townpoints imaginable.

So we aren't allowed to banter anymore huh, only serious buisness

You are allowed to do whatever you want and I am allowed to think about that whatever I want. Deal?

Sorry i phrased that pretty badly, my main point was that non serious communication in itself isn't really alignement indicative here, mostly due to like, how big of a time frame we have to figure things out, it's not like ToS where time is very much a constraint

[Gypyx]

Hey Lucca you still wanna vote out Upwards or like, what are we doing, strongly considering making a switch onto lapla, especially given how he kind of looks like he's giving up? That fits the mental trajectory i would expect from a scumteam who's in the rough of things

[Gypyx]

Dont like Laplacians 781, Gypyx' 783, and Hu Taos 813. In ToS at least it’s considered suspicious congratulating a successful Vig since there aren’t much cheaper townpoints imaginable.

So we aren't allowed to banter anymore huh, only serious buisness

You are allowed to do whatever you want and I am allowed to think about that whatever I want. Deal?

Sorry i phrased that pretty badly, my main point was that non serious communication in itself isn't really alignement indicative here, mostly due to like, how big of a time frame we have to figure things out, it's not like ToS where time is very much a constraint

I see, good point.

So in that case I have a question for you Gypyx: What’s your stance on Pizza with Pineapple?

Actually i have a strong opinion on that lol

most people who claim to hate pizza with pineapple only hate it cause the internet says so, this is one of the biggest nonesense debates of our modern age and i'm willing to bet a wide majority of pineapple pizza haters / lovers never tasted a single slice

anyways personally i dislike it but only cause pineapple on it's own tastes bad to me

So, are you trying to mimick my posting style or what's is going on here

[Gypyx]

VOTE: Mucho Man

I smell cowardice behind boast.

Do you really think today is the day we do such a wagon?

[Gypyx]

Wagon was Alianna, Claptastik, Upwards, Naerys, DeltaWave, Laplacian and, by proxy, Hu. Zeb got on and jumped off

if Gamma isn't just scum trolling, kinda think all three scum are on this list

Idk, I still really don't like FD, but I think at least two are, and I think if Zeb and FD are partners, Zeb would have stayed on.

The wagon felt a little foregone conclusion by that point though, so it's hard to say. I thought Gamma could be saved up to the end, but here we are

What are people's opinions on this btw

Think this indicates Zeb as town (as like, it feels like a way to give townies town points without actually doing anything that closes many avenues)

i otherwise don't think this really indicates much about the composition of scum being on / off wagon since like, Margot certainely wasn't in the best post to play agressive and openly proscum at this point

[Gypyx]

I definitely don't. Of the 3 replacements, MMRP is the one who has the most PASSIONATE effort-posts and ENTHUSIASTIC CAPS-FILLED communications.

Kinda feels MMRP is doing theatrics.

I mean yeah, of course she is but are you calling her as having nothing but theatrics?

[Gypyx]

Hey Lucca you still wanna vote out Upwards or like, what are we doing, strongly considering making a switch onto lapla, especially given how he kind of looks like he's giving up? That fits the mental trajectory i would expect from a scumteam who's in the rough of things

Mind explaining how I'm giving up?

Day 1 : even when you were occupied at a life event, you were still pushing around reads, playing the game, idk how to say it but like, normal mafia stuff

as for day 2 : for now it's mostly replying to direct communication or doing some "light involvement" speculation? There's the setup stuff, and a few questions that are more about understeanding individual thingies

[Gypyx]

tired me speaking but while his recent talking doesn't really light off my scum alarms like day1 did, still think upward's a bit weird


our exchange in 938 gives me small vibes of cognitive dissonance? Like, it's the thing where it's harder for scum to manage irony / sarcasm and all that stuff, and here, upwards starts by complaining about fluffposting, which yeah, i have no big problem about, that's just ToS culture here, but his attempt at mirrorring the joking style reads a bit shallow and forced?

the annoyance around there being nothing to talk about might also come a bit from an informed perspective? Like, that's maybe a me thing but as a townie there's thousands of things i could ask about at anytime, irrelevant yes but when you know the truth it's hard to have theories that are so out there come to your mind

Otherwise enchant's vote on mucho reads as really weird to me, like, i don't think they truly belive in the push / their scumread?

[Gypyx]

i mean, i think we're gonna have to read enchant through their 10 words style posting and i'm fine with that, let people do their thing i guess

[Gypyx]

the annoyance around there being nothing to talk about might also come a bit from an informed perspective? Like, that's maybe a me thing but as a townie there's thousands of things i could ask about at anytime, irrelevant yes but when you know the truth it's hard to have theories that are so out there come to your mind

If you refer to my reply to Naerys in 1012, the "nothing new to talk about" refered to my own wagon that had more votes than arguments behind it at that point. And I’m a fan of actual arguments so that was what annoyed me.

In fact there are a couple of things I’d like to talk about outside of myself. For starters, any thoughts on Delta and Hu Tao?

Hu Tao i read as scum but i feel like they don't make much sense as a mafia member in terms of the game event so i'm holding on to it

Delta is probably the slots i have the least thoughts about but i trust they're town

what about you?

[Gypyx]

but i feel like they don't make much sense as a mafia member in terms of the game event so i'm holding on to it

Please, can you elaborate on why you feel this?

Gotta admit, i'm working a bit off of my memory of my thoughts here but basically given the small level of chaos we have / her (lack of) interactions with the margot wagon she basically hasn't acted with a scum agenda, which could mean deepscum but most likely town

VOTE: Enchant

Come fouth foul Enchanter of the Mafia

[Gypyx]

but i feel like they don't make much sense as a mafia member in terms of the game event so i'm holding on to it

Please, can you elaborate on why you feel this?

Gotta admit, i'm working a bit off of my memory of my thoughts here but basically given the small level of chaos we have / her (lack of) interactions with the margot wagon she basically hasn't acted with a scum agenda, which could mean deepscum but most likely town

They had Margot as a suspect for most of day 1 but never really pressured or questioned there, and only joined the wagon briefly between 313 and 347. I think that pattern of action is if anything more indicative of a possible scum agenda.

Similarly, the very early threatening to hammer Margot in 170 seems more likely to serve a scum purpose (scare people into unvoting the wagon while looking like you were willing to vote scum) than a town purpose. It's a strange post to make if you're unaware of Margot's alignment, but it makes sense for someone who knows Margot is scum.

If Enchant is scum, Hu Tao also has served scum agenda by saying that we should "find the scum on gamma" by voting out Delta or Upwards (971),

while conveniently giving Enchant a pass despite Enchant also being on gamma (900).

for the early hammering, that's just how hu tao plays it seems, even then, they made the same threat around Gamma wagon, even if they didn't actually go through with it

I mean, it *is* a good reason to give enchant a pass on that no? This is the most devoid of meaning vote there is out there, maybe sliiiightly +scum since i've found it's a bit harder as mafia to switch your vote around so it might've been easier for scum!alianna to just leave it as is

[Gypyx]

the annoyance around there being nothing to talk about might also come a bit from an informed perspective? Like, that's maybe a me thing but as a townie there's thousands of things i could ask about at anytime, irrelevant yes but when you know the truth it's hard to have theories that are so out there come to your mind

If you refer to my reply to Naerys in 1012, the "nothing new to talk about" refered to my own wagon that had more votes than arguments behind it at that point. And I’m a fan of actual arguments so that was what annoyed me.

In fact there are a couple of things I’d like to talk about outside of myself. For starters, any thoughts on Delta and Hu Tao?

Hu Tao i read as scum but i feel like they don't make much sense as a mafia member in terms of the game event so i'm holding on to it

Delta is probably the slots i have the least thoughts about but i trust they're town

what about you?

It should come as no surprise when I say that I have my suspicions about both of them currently. Delta even more than Hu Tao.

They’re not the only ones though. I’m still waiting on an actual argument for Mucho Mans vote for me and when I looked back over Gammas Elimination I found Margots 731 about the Enchant slot interesting, still have to make up my mind about how to read that though.

that's a lot of SR's lol, you might wanna thin a bit the list of who you wanna go for

btw when reffering to individual posts, it is good practice to use the "post" tags[post=*number of the post you wanna link*]text that will show the link[/post]

[Gypyx]

yup, exactly what Naerys said, i don't see how that day 1 happens without at least 1 scum on Gamma

[Gypyx]

VOTE: Enchant
green Enchant - look at Upwards, Prince of Paterson
Red Enchant - look at lucca - sat at Upwards basically whole D1, only at the end switche dto Laplacian

How do these actions trace back to a red Lucca?

[Gypyx]

You only lose when you give up.

Common misconception, you also lose when you lose

[Gypyx]

I'm okay with just voting enchant

then vote bestie

[Gypyx]

Also Alianna slot can be either LHF or scum. I dont mind sorting Alianna first, but then we should look at Upwards.

What is LHF?

Low Hanging Fruit, it's when a townie is not playing really well while not doing anything super scummy, such as they're still an easy vote to make

[Gypyx]

VOTE: Enchant
green Enchant - look at Upwards, Prince of Paterson
Red Enchant - look at lucca - sat at Upwards basically whole D1, only at the end switche dto Laplacian

How do I read this post?

Enchant flips town (green) our next suspects are Upwards / PoP

Enchant flips scum (red) our next suspect is Lucca

[Gypyx]

that's E-1

[Gypyx]

Upwards opinion on killing enchant right now this instant?

[Gypyx]

I mean, let's put it that way enchant, in your eyes, what have you done that clears you as town? Cause right now i see nothing that points against your kill, and it's not even like we can go off of Alianna to get an idea of your alignement

[Gypyx]

Also feels like Upwards fake, amirite

I said fake fake fakity fake

Fake fake fakity fake

That's the vibes i've been getting but i'm willing to give a bit of leniency cause newb

UNVOTE: Enchant

i'm ready to revote but i wonder if scum upwards would've hammered there

[Gypyx]

UNVOTE: Enchant

i'm ready to revote but i wonder if scum upwards would've hammered there

According to my reads as they are right now, the Enchant wagon is mostly town-led with the notable exception of PoP. It's interesting that nobody hammered, especially because it would have been a justifiable hammer. So either it's Scum!Enchant or my townreads are off.

Yeah i mean, i think scum upwards wouldn't dare hammering it? at least not without his partner encouraging it

i think we're onto scum one way or another today at least

[Gypyx]

UNVOTE: Enchant

i'm ready to revote but i wonder if scum upwards would've hammered there

According to my reads as they are right now, the Enchant wagon is mostly town-led with the notable exception of PoP. It's interesting that nobody hammered, especially because it would have been a justifiable hammer. So either it's Scum!Enchant or my townreads are off.

Yeah i mean, i think scum upwards wouldn't dare hammering it? at least not without his partner encouraging it

i think we're onto scum one way or another today at least

There could be a lot of things going on here but it is an interesting dynamic. Could be Enchant and Upwards as teammates and Upwards doesn't want to let his partner go that easy.

I mean, i was more thinking in the line of "if i kill enchant today they'll deffo go for me tommorow" which would be pretty realistic given upward's rough position, regardless of enchant's alignement

[Gypyx]

Enchant is Alianna

[Gypyx]

Anyways i'm going to bed, i expect to have the solve on my desk by 7am Comical

(aka : i'll reconsider what i wanna vote here)

[Gypyx]

Comical is so confident in their towniness i kinda think that locks the slot as town ngl

bad news is that they're a bit *too* confident in it lmao

[Gypyx]

I wanna argue with you so bad comical but i shouldn't cause you're town and this is gonna end up bad for both of us

i just need to say you're waaaay overestimating my / delta's impact on gamma going through, half the Gamma voters were basically on a death tunnel at this point

[Gypyx]

You do you

[Gypyx]

Votecount 1.07

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2024-01-14 01:13:22).
Combined Mod ISO.

Votecount

Gamma Emerald (4):

Alianna, Claptastik, Upwards, Naerys

MargotRosa (3):

Gypyx, Laplacian, FuDuzn

Upwards (1):

lucca261

Claptastik (1):

Gamma Emerald

FuDuzn (1):

MargotRosa

DeltaWave (1):

Hu Tao

Not Voting (2):

Zebedee, DeltaWave

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to send someone on the fast route to the afterlife.

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Combined Mod ISO.

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Gamma Emerald (7):

Alianna, Claptastik, Upwards, Naerys, DeltaWave, Laplacian, Gamma Emerald

DeltaWave (2):

Hu Tao, Zebedee

Laplacian (2):

lucca261, Gypyx

MargotRosa (1):

FuDuzn

FuDuzn (1):

MargotRosa

Not Voting (0).

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to send someone on the fast route to the afterlife.

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it's Gypyx's vote away and Delta's vote onto Gamma that look rough.

On top of that, Gypyx sounds fake coming into Day 2

i think the words you meant to type are "is a brilliant and funny player of the game"

can i ask what exactly is looking rough in recognizing a wagon sucks and trying to launch alternatives?

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[Gypyx]

what's your opinion on a scumteam of enchant / Lapia ? I feel that if Delta / Lapia were really in a hurry to kill Gamma (which, i kinda doubt due to the wagon seeming basically unavoidable as it grew bigger) they would've waited for E-1 so that one of them could hammer ? Or maybe they were counting on hu tao quickhammering actually, that's a strong possibility idk need to think about things

i'm also strongly against a massclaim due to this setup pretty clearly being low power, we at most have 2 unclaimed power roles, besides we don't really need the info a massclaim would provide right now i feel

[Gypyx]

VOTE: Laplacian

really happy to come back to this wagon tbh

[Gypyx]

yall basic

I mean, you're pretty obviously not a PR, that's the issue

[Gypyx]

yall basic

I mean, you're pretty obviously not a PR, that's the issue

wont age well

Spoiler: big picture

[Gypyx]

Lapia, would you be willing to elaborate on your restrictions?

I think there's a chance for you both to be town if these restrictions prevent you from targeting each other in some way

1-shot strongman against a single protective is also maybe a bit overkill actually

[Gypyx]

Or maybe it's there to break a Follow the Cop Tracker / doc

[Gypyx]

i think you're being overly agressive in shutting down the possibility of there being 2 protectives anyways Comical

[Gypyx]

VOTE: Enchant

fuck it this annoys me and i don't wanna sort that, back on enchant

[Gypyx]

It’s only Enchant if it’s Enchant and Lap, and Enchant been voting Lap.

I litterally don't care, i need more teamwork or i'm not following you

[Gypyx]

y'all sort this out without me

[Gypyx]

If I'm scum, my cc would also be suicide.

you tried to push like we both could be Doctor

only reason we're in this spot cuz of the Duplicate rule, which I didnt even need to call you out as scum.

VOTE: Lapia

Didn't know about that one

[Gypyx]

Unless y'all think Comical is pulling some stupid gambit (which yeah, Non-zero chance here) i think we should ONLY get one of the two since they're directly counterclaimed

you may disagree with the rest of the arguments brought forth and i certainely do but that's pretty much a mechanical guilty

[Gypyx]

let's be smart and not kill enchant today everyone

[Gypyx]

My problem is that aside from this whole counter-claim debacle I can't read Lap or Comical as scum. But the unavoidable conclusion is that one has to be. If Comical is scum then they are basically throwing the game, so I'm going with that.

VOTE: Laplacian

Lap / Margot had some very strong associatives as scum, can you trust that?

[Gypyx]

Enchant this is your chance to catch scum

i belive in u

pedit : well, then we'll vote for you tommrow but not today UwU

[Gypyx]

well, tell us when that bit is over

[Gypyx]

if you hammer i'm death tunneling you

[Gypyx]

if you hammer i'm death tunneling you

[Gypyx]

let's not validate whatever enchant's pulling right now pls

[Gypyx]

let's not validate whatever enchant's pulling right now pls

How does validation come in to this? Enchant claimed Scum on page 60; they're either scum or gamethrowing. And I'd like to know which as soon as possible so we can either a) win by resolving the 1v1 or b) can stop caring.

they're gamethrowing either way

and also the fact is that they're doing in full intent of dying, which... yeah

[Gypyx]

let's not validate whatever enchant's pulling right now pls

How does validation come in to this? Enchant claimed Scum on page 60; they're either scum or gamethrowing. And I'd like to know which as soon as possible so we can either a) win by resolving the 1v1 or b) can stop caring.

they're gamethrowing either way

True, so why not just end it?

Because that's not how you deal with someone trolling you?

[Gypyx]

He's scum. He acts like this as scum.

btw that's bonkers that this is a common occurence for enchant to act like that

i legit don't get it

[Gypyx]

you can just not read whatever he has to say

[Gypyx]

My problem is that aside from this whole counter-claim debacle I can't read Lap or Comical as scum. But the unavoidable conclusion is that one has to be. If Comical is scum then they are basically throwing the game, so I'm going with that.

VOTE: Laplacian

I don't care much anymore who we eliminate, as long as Comical dies if Lap is town, but why is it throwing for Comical and not for Lap? Lap CC'd eagerly and earlier than he should have. He didn't need to lock himself into that 1v1 and guarantee his death if he's scum.

You could also see this as a last-ditch effort for scum!lap to bring comical with them into the grave

[Gypyx]

let's not validate whatever enchant's pulling right now pls

let's not validate whatever enchant's pulling right now pls

let's not validate whatever enchant's pulling right now pls

let's not validate whatever enchant's pulling right now pls

let's not validate whatever enchant's pulling right now pls

^^^^^^^^^

He does this as scum to get people to town read him.

i hate it

[Gypyx]

what's the benefit of leaving naerys alive for tomorow tho

[Gypyx]

what's the benefit of leaving naerys alive for tomorow tho

<3

[Gypyx]

actually, i guess there's benefits to leaving the 1v1 to tommorow?

like, scum will basically have a choice between killing the real doc (aka solving the 1v1 for us) or leaving them alive and shooting a VT, which means that in the case that we correctly resolve the 1v1 tommorow we get one more day with naerys

am i making sense here

[Gypyx]

actually, i guess there's benefits to leaving the 1v1 to tommorow?

like, scum will basically have a choice between killing the real doc (aka solving the 1v1 for us) or leaving them alive and shooting a VT, which means that in the case that we correctly resolve the 1v1 tommorow we get one more day with naerys

am i making sense here

Thanks for restating what i basically told long ago.

Yeah idk man either i didn't read it or i just don't care

[Gypyx]

nope

[Gypyx]

I can guarantee if I get voted today and you all see the big green 3x doc on my role card, Comical going to swoop in with 200 posts about how this was his galaxybrained fake claim and how it was super good for town and he's totally towny

and you don't trust that we'll kill him for that?

[Gypyx]

I can guarantee if I get voted today and you all see the big green 3x doc on my role card, Comical going to swoop in with 200 posts about how this was his galaxybrained fake claim and how it was super good for town and he's totally towny

and you don't trust that we'll kill him for that?

^ doesn't even read posts

^ openly claims scum

[Gypyx]

Especially because it’s proven nobody was listening to them. Especially Gypyx who said the exact same thing that Enchant did pages back, and acted like they never heard it before

i think i'm just angry tbh

[Gypyx]

gunsmith is a cop that gets guilties from certain town roles and innos from certains scum roles

[Gypyx]

VT

i cast magically fix this mess of a gamestate we have

[Gypyx]

smh i hate control players

[Gypyx]

He's cooking a most nefarious ploy

[Gypyx]

just want this day to end tbh

[Gypyx]

UNVOTE:

[Gypyx]

Comical you do realize this stupid gambit was never going to work due to scum KNOWING There isn't scum in you / lap?

we've got like what, one (1) enchant semi-clear from all that?

[Gypyx]

lucca you're my beacon of hope i'm sheeping you blindly to the end of this

[Gypyx]

idk how everyone even ends up viewing delta as scum for that but sure whatever

[Gypyx]

i'll hammer anything except delta

[Gypyx]

Crazy how basically 2 conf town are on delta and no one wants to vote with them.

Crazy how basically 2 conftowns were also on Gamma Day 1

Votecount 1.12

Combined Mod ISO.

Votecount

Gamma Emerald (7):

Alianna, Claptastik, Upwards, Naerys, DeltaWave, Laplacian, Gamma Emerald

DeltaWave (2):

Hu Tao, Zebedee

Laplacian (2):

lucca261, Gypyx

MargotRosa (1):

FuDuzn

FuDuzn (1):

MargotRosa

Not Voting (0).

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to send someone on the fast route to the afterlife.

Flavor

Dragon Fact #11:

While chromatic dragons are normally considered evil and dangerous, spring-green colored dragons are vegan, so you can approach them safely with no fear of being eaten. Beware though, do not confuse them with regular green dragons, as these LOVE to eat humans.

Crazy how that works huh, who would've guesses, like, wow, i'm flabbergasted

pedit : Lucca you're litterally me

[Gypyx]

yeah i'm soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo stalling you guys

and when delta flips green it'll be "oh yeah well she was positionning herself to look good with the flip"

[Gypyx]

yeah i'm soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo stalling you guys

and when delta flips green it'll be "oh yeah well she was positionning herself to look good with the flip"

Exactly right.

i mean, i'm fine taking the bullet for delta today tbh

i'll even self hammer since that seems on brand for this game

[Gypyx]

once you become conftown you get added to the mafia PT so that you may plot the fake war with the Mafia that's used to control the masses of the unconfirmed townies

[Gypyx]

so yeah they do get some more wisdom

[Gypyx]

btw Upwards was just online and didn't post shit while we're at E-1 close to the deadline

would he do this if he was town you tell me

I certainely am online and doing jack shit

[Gypyx]

Yeah, it feels like Upwards moved from confused newbie day 1 to actively stalling day 2. If Delta flips green, Upwards is a top suspect imo

the 2 different worlds for scum!upwards are either he's got an involved buddy who is basically ordering him around to take a step back (which prolly means scum is feeling good about things)

or he's left alone doesn't know what to do and is completely panicking

either way it's gonna be really obvious if he gets around to posting at any time

[Gypyx]

Well we kinda can flashwagon instead

am down

[Gypyx]

can't wait for Delta to flip green

[Gypyx]

cant wait for gypyx to flip red next day

And yet you are powerless to stop me today

[Gypyx]

anyways i'm out, i'll be back before EoD, it would be so funny if upwards received like 5 votes in the meantime

[Gypyx]

rip

[Gypyx]

VOTE: Gypyx

anyways ummm good night everyone

[Gypyx]

DeltaWave has been munched on by lions! She was a

Mafia Goon

.

Spoiler: Role PM

Mafia Goon

Welcome, DeltaWave! You are a

Mafia Goon

.

Your mafia partners are [REDACTED]. You may talk to them here.

Your faction has a factional kill ability. Each night, you or one of your partners may attempt to kill a town-aligned player.

You win if the mafia controls 50% of the votes, or if nothing can prevent this.

Please confirm by replying with your role and alignment, or by posting in the scum PT.

Night 2 starts now and will end in (expired on 2024-01-24 03:16:43). Please do not forget to send me your night actions.

yeah idk, guess i'll shut up

Who were you on Lapla?

[Gypyx]

VOTE: Lucca
If its not lucca it is gypyx

can i do one (1) light doubt around this statement please

[Gypyx]

VOTE: Gypix

VOTE: Enchant

oh my god u suck

[Gypyx]

VOTE: Lucca
If its not lucca it is gypyx

can i do one (1) light doubt around this statement please

Sure

just think you're being very restrictive as to who's a potential suspect

i also don't rlly buy Lucca being a thing but i haven't reread yet

[Gypyx]

Nothing personal, i just don't like you.

go on take out your anger, let it speak through you

[Gypyx]

or maybe don't idk if you're being serious rn

[Gypyx]

ok that's great to know

i really should've nightkilled you

[Gypyx]

what makes hu tao so towny again?

[Gypyx]

VOTE: Lucca
If its not lucca it is gypyx

can i do one (1) light doubt around this statement please

Sure

just think you're being very restrictive as to who's a potential suspect

i also don't rlly buy Lucca being a thing but i haven't reread yet

Just think your opinions were wrong at best, scummy at worst

Well duh that's not really something i'm contesting now is it

i guess the only slot for who i sit at a "maybe they're actually not town" is comical but that's not really fueled by rational thinking yet

anyways idk i just wanna go through the motions rn

[Gypyx]

VOTE: Gypyx

yeah idk let's just get to day 4

[Gypyx]

Looks like a scum resignation. Hope it’s not a town resignation.

important part is that it's a resignation

pedit : bye

[Gypyx]

oh wait no

[Gypyx]

UNVOTE:

whoever hammers me wins how does that sound

[Gypyx]

Shame i had hoped for a speedlim

me too bestie

[Gypyx]

Ok I seriously don’t get how Lucca looks bad here even in the slightest, he did what he promised to do and hammered Delta which turned out to be indeed Scum. Went from NullTown to pretty likely Town in my book.

The intent of my self-vote was definitively not to get myself eliminated btw lol.

well you're not gonna belive it but self-voting actually makes you harder to kill so that's maybe a weird choice here

[Gypyx]

what makes hu tao so towny again?

?

Yeah my bad that was very scummy of me

[Gypyx]

Gypyx attitude today has shifted way too much, and shouldn’t be so negative considering we caught 2nd scum and got a no kill, and I think that’s the biggest scum tell

woooo yaaay let's go we're gonna win, we're the best town to have ever towned in the mafiascum community

[Gypyx]

Everyone, vote Gypyx. Thanks.

only if you say please

[Gypyx]

No reason to give up like this way, being an Enchant.

i'm absolutely mad at myself for being like this right now fwiw

but like idk

don't feel like i have much of a better way out

[Gypyx]

idk tbh

i'd say upwards but don't give any credit to that

[Gypyx]

It’s okay to not know yet, but i do think it should be worked on getting to try and know, ya know?

idk, think this situation makes the most sense with scum!upwards as i've said but that's it

[Gypyx]

Jokes aside, I dont see how we lose this with an 8v1.

Easily.

VOTE: enchant
Only scum uses stretched pictures

is that so

Spoiler:

[Gypyx]

Selfvoting only popular because i invented it this game.

true scholars of mini normal 2324 would know that gamma was the actual pioneer in the genre

[Gypyx]

oh yeah absolutely, that shit would get me expelled from college for plagiarism

[Gypyx]

VOTE: Gypyx

boop

[Gypyx]

newbtown my ass Upwards is a good fucking player

Boldest newbscum i've ever seen

[Gypyx]

tbh that shot kinda carried the game

[Gypyx]

Btw i know you weren't in the best of positions upwards but shooting Naerys over and over certainely wasn't too helpful

[Gypyx]

Btw i know you weren't in the best of positions upwards but shooting Naerys over and over certainely wasn't too helpful

Funniest thing is I even argued in Mafia Chat d2 that Naerys is NEVER our shot.

But with how things turned out I didn’t see how killing anyone else would be good enough to get myself back on track.

Well, i just don't understeand why you needed Naerys to die NOW as opposed to like, Killing Lap / The bodyguard if he was real and once the doc is dead the coast is clear

[Gypyx]

i guess that's something to be hopeful about but imo you had bigger chances by hoping you could weasel your way out by dayplay than hoping Lapia makes an exceptional throw and just doesn't heal the confirmed town

[Gypyx]

Sometimes you gotta look a little scummy now so that you look less scummy later

[Gypyx]

I like your signature, Upwards!

I love my signature

Could use some Bottom Text

[Gypyx]

Yeah sure it's cool

now i need to play an actual good scumgame for once so i can get a quote

[Gypyx]

Yeah sure it's cool

now i need to play an actual good scumgame for once so i can get a quote

Are you only this crazy good at getting townread while playing town? In that case I will know you’re Scum when I read you as Nulltown next game.

But I shall make sure to deliver some quotable lines about your obvious townieness if I indeed end up townreading you.

Honestly, it depends, like, i'm basically obvtown half the time as town and the other half not so much

consistently shit at playing scum tho, even if i managed to win a scumplay award haha

or i might just say that so that you don't get ammo against me ;3

[Gypyx]

newbtown my ass Upwards is a good fucking player

Boldest newbscum i've ever seen

That’s pretty much the only thing I told myself going into this game. Yes, probably it will be an L but damn certainly not for a lack of trying and not for being to scared to make plays. But then Comical arrived and his Gambit was just too NextLevel for me to comprehend how I should react.

Kinda bummed out you won't get to play more for now tbh, feels like you've got potential once you manage to get your tone right

[Gypyx]

Yeah sure it's cool

now i need to play an actual good scumgame for once so i can get a quote

Are you only this crazy good at getting townread while playing town? In that case I will know you’re Scum when I read you as Nulltown next game.

But I shall make sure to deliver some quotable lines about your obvious townieness if I indeed end up townreading you.

Honestly, it depends, like, i'm basically obvtown half the time as town and the other half not so much

consistently shit at playing scum tho, even if i managed to win a scumplay award haha

or i might just say that so that you don't get ammo against me ;3

I will have to see you play as Scum then one day to make up my mind about that.

But hey that award sounds super cool what’s the story behind that?

Basically we do a yearly "contest" where people sumbit exceptional games according to different criterias like Best Scum player of the year, Best Newbie, etc... mafiascum oscars basically

and i managed to get carried by way better scumplayers once so we got the "best scumteam award"

viewtopic.php?t=85629

[Gypyx]

"Subject: TENET - Bell's Notes

I wish I had a single clue what gyphx was doing.
He's playing horrible as either alignment.

rude

am i that bad though?"

This is just too funny sorry. Getting carried is a skill as well though.

And why am I not surprised to read the last remaining townie was Comical? Miseliminnating him seems to be a good challenge in itself.

But holy shit I glanced over this and don’t understand wtf is going on think I’ll stick to Simple Games for the time being when I get to play.

Actually Flavor was the first to die it was a weird game

but yeah it's a theme, generally these are way more unique games but you're never really sure what you're signing up for

Fixed another broken tag :

]

[Gypyx]

It's cause i hated the modding

[Gypyx]

Yeah tbh we had a lot of ammo to work with

not a lot of guaranteed utility but i think this setup was balanced around town missing everything

[Gypyx]

i mean, that honestly can work

[Gypyx]

Yeah tbh we had a lot of ammo to work with

not a lot of guaranteed utility but i think this setup was balanced around town missing everything

See, my original idea was town having less ammo (specifically, no bulletproof and the doc only having 2 shots) and then the reviewers said "BUT WHAT IF TOWN MISS" and I was like "ah sure let's give them more ammo"

Yeah, that's a frequent complaint with the normal review process

pedit : neighborizer my beloved

[Gypyx]

time for me to get back in the NRG and make the most scumsided setups ever

[Gypyx]

Naerys singlehandedly making sure this game ends up townsided

congratulations solider

[Gypyx]

ooooh, what is it

[Gypyx]

can i pre-out