micro 1096: planned idea [game over]

[HighPrincessErinys]

[HighPrincessErinys]

VOTE: Ausuka

[HighPrincessErinys]

- players aligned with the

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are able to use their factional kill alongside other actions they may have on the same night (i.e. they are multitasking).
- this game will have seven players aligned with the

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and two players aligned with the

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.


- here is a sample role pm that none of you received:

hello Skygazer, and welcome to micro 1096: planned idea! please confirm by sending me the bolded text in your action and faction cards.

here is your

action card

:

you are

vanilla

.

here is your

faction card

:

you are a

townie

aligned with the

„Åì„ÅÆ„كƒ�¥á¡¼ك‚�كÉ°„̃[ƒ‹‚ÍŠF—l‚ɺ„É

(the uninformed majority).

you win if all threats to your faction have been eliminated.

awesome

[HighPrincessErinys]

Oh yeah, been a bit since we've played a game together Black.

[HighPrincessErinys]

btw fun fact in completed games i have only randed mafia twice in the past 2 years and that was each a year apart. this game has continued a fortuitous streak of town rands.

i am afraid of being extremely rusty in my next scum rand

damn already tryna hit us with the "i havent rolled scum in forever lol" wifom.............

[HighPrincessErinys]

Oh yeah, been a bit since we've played a game together Black.

I think the last time we played was when we caught Kira

Shall we catch some wolves?

To be fair that was mostly you, considering this one tunneled on Gimli, but yes, let's.

[HighPrincessErinys]

if 1 more person votes ill hammer

A successful flashwagon on someone who hasn't even posted yet, only after about one real life day, would be simultaneously absolutely fucking hilarious and completely and utterly terrifying.

[HighPrincessErinys]

certified cutie

Neighbourize: tris

Daycult... damn...

[HighPrincessErinys]

UNVOTE: Ausuka
RVS E-2... scawy!

[HighPrincessErinys]

VOTE: HPE

:(

[HighPrincessErinys]

UNVOTE: Ausuka
RVS E-2... scawy!

Why so afraid?

cause a flip this early is a terrible idea lol

[HighPrincessErinys]

Would you like to join me on Shaddow in the mean time at least?

not particularly

[HighPrincessErinys]

UNVOTE: Ausuka
RVS E-2... scawy!

Why so afraid?

cause a flip this early is a terrible idea lol

I'm curious why you didn't say this in 87

It feels more like you were riding the fence in that post when I would expect someone with this belief to be more critical of the shadow wagon

Not sure what non-criticality you're reading from "completely and utterly terrifying"

[HighPrincessErinys]

VOTE: HPE

UNVOTE: Ausuka
RVS E-2... scawy!

Why so afraid?

cause a flip this early is a terrible idea lol

I'm curious why you didn't say this in 87

It feels more like you were riding the fence in that post when I would expect someone with this belief to be more critical of the shadow wagon

Not sure what non-criticality you're reading from "completely and utterly terrifying"

What are you terrified of exactly? Scum getting a quick misfade on someone?

That's a lesser concern compared to a painfully early shot in the dark funny ass flashwagon being basically devoid of info other than "well why did you guys flip them so early" to which everyone shrugs and says "shitpost". NO VCA, NO post-flip recontextualization of interactions, NO seeing who die hard townread the scum flip, nunna that. The longer a day goes, the better it is for town (in the long run atleast).

[HighPrincessErinys]

VOTE: HPE

UNVOTE: Ausuka
RVS E-2... scawy!

Why so afraid?

cause a flip this early is a terrible idea lol

I'm curious why you didn't say this in 87

It feels more like you were riding the fence in that post when I would expect someone with this belief to be more critical of the shadow wagon

Not sure what non-criticality you're reading from "completely and utterly terrifying"

What are you terrified of exactly? Scum getting a quick misfade on someone?

That's a lesser concern compared to a painfully early shot in the dark funny ass flashwagon being basically devoid of info other than "well why did you guys flip them so early" to which everyone shrugs and says "shitpost". NO VCA, NO post-flip recontextualization of interactions, NO seeing who die hard townread the scum flip, nunna that. The longer a day goes, the better it is for town (in the long run atleast).

Do you think scum was pushing the shadow wagon?

Honestly? One scum on that wagon with the plausible deniability of RVS is likely, yes. Ausuka's too, perhaps.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Because yeah to be fair E-2 is only 3 votes, there's not many people here, but that also means the odds of one of our two scum being part of that 3 is pretty good.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Because yeah to be fair E-2 is only 3 votes, there's not many people here, but that also means the odds of one of our two scum being part of that 3 is pretty good.

The pool of shadow and or Ausuka voters is, Roden, tris, HPE, Black, Ausuka, DkKoba, 6/9 slots in the game. Roden and tris had nothing to do with the Ausuka wagon, and me and Black had nothing to do with the Shadow wagon, with DkKoba being apparently willing to lolhammer shadow and voting for Ausuka, and Ausuka voting for Shadow. This is kind of a clusterfuck but its a start.

[HighPrincessErinys]

It's possible albeit improbable that scum split themselves up, with one being on Shadow while that was hot and another going onto Ausuka. More likely however is one in six is scum and the outlier is in Flare Fluff or the Rogues.

[HighPrincessErinys]

god damn it black now look what you've made me do. actually try!

[HighPrincessErinys]

VOTE: HPE

Going to place my vote of suspicion on our one (1) scum here because OMGUS.
VOTE: Roden

[HighPrincessErinys]

VOTE: HPE

Going to place my vote of suspicion on our one (1) scum here because OMGUS.
VOTE: Roden

But that being said my main pool to solve of the 6 is probably Roden tris and Koba because this one doubts its Ausuka, this one is town :3, and Black is my bestie who has unintentionally activated my Ballin' functionality.

[HighPrincessErinys]

anyway time to shut up and eat dinner

[HighPrincessErinys]

It's possible albeit improbable that scum split themselves up, with one being on Shadow while that was hot and another going onto Ausuka. More likely however is one in six is scum and the outlier is in Flare Fluff or the Rogues.

It looks like you are basing your reads on wagon analysis which is not helpful for reads and it's better to look at the content of the posts. Are you town reading Shadow and Ausuka since you said you suspected there could have been scum on their wagon?

- A

Shadow is locktown for me rn because scum would absolutely not bus their partner before they even show up to the game lmao.

[HighPrincessErinys]

It's possible albeit improbable that scum split themselves up, with one being on Shadow while that was hot and another going onto Ausuka. More likely however is one in six is scum and the outlier is in Flare Fluff or the Rogues.

It looks like you are basing your reads on wagon analysis which is not helpful for reads and it's better to look at the content of the posts. Are you town reading Shadow and Ausuka since you said you suspected there could have been scum on their wagon?

- A

Shadow is locktown for me rn because scum would absolutely not bus their partner before they even show up to the game lmao.

How is Shadow locktown when me, 2 Rogues, DkKoba, and Black have not voted Shadow?

- A

This one is townreading Black, Koba said they'd hammer Shadow, and if both scum are in the hydrae this one will be forced to scream.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Shaddow had a total of two votes lol

That's an even bigger stretch :lol:

No let her cook

VOTE: shaddowez

[HighPrincessErinys]

Black never voted Shaddow...

Because yeah to be fair E-2 is only 3 votes, there's not many people here, but that also means the odds of one of our two scum being part of that 3 is pretty good.

The pool of shadow and or Ausuka voters is, Roden, tris, HPE, Black, Ausuka, DkKoba, 6/9 slots in the game. Roden and tris had nothing to do with the Ausuka wagon,

and me and Black had nothing to do with the Shadow wagon

, with DkKoba being apparently willing to lolhammer shadow and voting for Ausuka, and Ausuka voting for Shadow. This is kind of a clusterfuck but its a start.

[HighPrincessErinys]

why are you so sure mafia wouldn't do that. its not like and rvs wagon is actually going to eliminate someone

Scum probably aren't going to take the risk when it barely benefits them anyway. It's not impossible that an RVS wagon flips just as it's not impossible that they'll do it, but they are similarly both

improbable

. The only thing it really counters is exactly what this one is doing, but even then there's much better ways to open the game than "put my partner at E-2 for a bit at the start and pray nobody lolhammers just so nobody tries to analyze the RVS wagons like a dumbass". What this one is trying to say is that scum aren't likely to try this kinda stuff when they're in a position of absolute safety like RVS, just to counter analysis of votes and wagons that are, by their nature, stupid and barely readable.

It's possible albeit improbable that scum split themselves up, with one being on Shadow while that was hot and another going onto Ausuka. More likely however is one in six is scum and the outlier is in Flare Fluff or the Rogues.

It looks like you are basing your reads on wagon analysis which is not helpful for reads and it's better to look at the content of the posts. Are you town reading Shadow and Ausuka since you said you suspected there could have been scum on their wagon?

- A

Shadow is locktown for me rn because scum would absolutely not bus their partner before they even show up to the game lmao.

How is Shadow locktown when me, 2 Rogues, DkKoba, and Black have not voted Shadow?

- A

This one is townreading Black, Koba said they'd hammer Shadow, and if both scum are in the hydrae this one will be forced to scream.

I'm trying to look through your pov and if I was in your pov figuring out Shadow's alignment and if he is scum, I would be guessing the only options who he could be scum with are the other 2 hydra slots.

How are you clearing the 2 hydra slots on not being paired with Shadow?

- A

The hydra slots could absolutely be scum, this one said you're the outliers of the pool that it said has exactly one scum in it, after all. This one doesn't understand what you mean by "I would be guessing the only options who he could be scum with are the other 2 hydra slots." though. Actually not sure what you're doing in general, you're hypothesizing scum!Shadow which this one believes to be extremely unlikely. Assuming that scum NEVER vote for their partner in RVS here, scum!Shadow could be aligned with me, Black, Koba (big maybe), you or the Rogues.

[HighPrincessErinys]

me i would. but maybe others would be more hesitant

projection as argument..........................

[HighPrincessErinys]

ZERO solidarity on these mfs. True mafia never vote their pal needlessly..................

[HighPrincessErinys]

anyway if you'll excuse me its time to do a bunch of situps and go out into the freezing snowing tundra

[HighPrincessErinys]

this one smells opportunist

[HighPrincessErinys]

this one smells opportunist

Not my fault Black and Roden decided to also scumread you after you were being scummy.

Your fault for having a bad read, tho

[HighPrincessErinys]

this one smells opportunist

Not my fault Black and Roden decided to also scumread you after you were being scummy.

Your fault for having a bad read, tho

Okay then what towny thing did ypu do this game?

What

scummy

thing did this one do this game?

[HighPrincessErinys]

Because sure, even to me, rambling about a couple of RVS wagons isn't jackshit, but ding-ding-ding it isn't

jackshit

. You better seriously fucking

not

be getting on my ass for not liking the idea of flipping super early.

[HighPrincessErinys]

I think HPE's reactions and responses to his wagon feel fine. There's a sense of entitlement in his read regarding the e-2 stuff and it makes me think he actually believes what he's saying

yeah hey who is "he" here

[HighPrincessErinys]

I feel like wagon analysis is helpful, as it can lead to figuring out motivations to posting which can lead to spotting slip ups. Granted it does seem to be more helpful later on once we have flips.

Hey, it's gamestate advancement.

[HighPrincessErinys]

I realize you talked with Black about this a little bit, but can you elaborate on your word choice here? Getting absolutely no information based on the quick day (outside of my flip) is one thing, but I don't see that as "Terrifying".

It's a terrifying implication as to the ability of town if they let it happen and pass D1 by with no info but a probable greenflip gained.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Would you like to join me on Shaddow in the mean time at least?

That's a weird question to ask right after your interaction with HPE. Do you have any thoughts of its alignment?

@Roden

I don't think it's town. It's claiming to be wary of quick hammers and flash wagons, but it didn't want to vote Shaddow even after the momentum there lulled. Withdrawing it's vote from Ausuka's wagon as well when it gained momentum makes me think it either only cares about appearances in case of a town flip, or is wary protecting a partner from an early elim. Either way, I don't see the town motivation for it.

lockscum

[HighPrincessErinys]

Simply saying "lockscum" is kinda wild though since you openly said your vote on me was just OMGUS

Jesus christ...

Reads change.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Would you like to join me on Shaddow in the mean time at least?

That's a weird question to ask right after your interaction with HPE. Do you have any thoughts of its alignment?

@Roden

I don't think it's town. It's claiming to be wary of quick hammers and flash wagons, but it didn't want to vote Shaddow even after the momentum there lulled. Withdrawing it's vote from Ausuka's wagon as well when it gained momentum makes me think it either only cares about appearances in case of a town flip, or is wary protecting a partner from an early elim. Either way, I don't see the town motivation for it.

There is just no way you believe a word of this. Are you even PRETENDING to have a real read on me at this point? How is not wanting to vote Shadow after his wagon stopped contradictory to being wary of quickhammers? Why is this even a point?? This one didn't care to vote Shadow in the first place let alone after his wagon's 'momentum' stopped. It's say MORE than a few times why it townreads him, infact. My participation on Ausuka's wagon was pure RVS and when a wagon it didn't believe in got in hammer distance it took the reasonable approach of stepping the fuck off so it can instead

read

Ausuka and make an informed decision to vote her later when it had

info

. And if you can't see the town motivation for not wanting stupid earlygame lolwagons go through... yikes.

Withdrawing it's vote from Ausuka's wagon as well when it gained momentum makes me think it either only cares about appearances in case of a town flip, or is wary protecting a partner from an early elim.

As an aside, it's also really insulting that you think scum!me is some fucking scum amateur that unvotes people because uwaa scawy association with a town flip :(((
Scum have to get their hands dirty, asshole.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Yeah I don't appreciate this unnecessary aggression, dial it back or permanently fuck off

You're making extremely obnoxious posts and disingenuous points, this one doesn't care.

[HighPrincessErinys]

If you can't handle your shitpush being called out, find someone else to do it to.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Calling me an asshole for scum reading you is not ok and I don't know what makes you think that would be

This one isn't calling you an asshole for scumreading it, it's calling you an asshole for saying blatantly bad faith and obtuse things.

[HighPrincessErinys]

I think you're salty scum that's mad you got caught and now you're hoping you can AtE your way out of it

I will not be bullied out of scum reading people this game, especially after scum

just

did that to me in a recently completed mini and historically have tried to do so

You're the only one being led by emotions here.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Is it morally wrong for scum to be deliberately obtuse?

Not really, it's kind of part of the plan, but you can still call them assholes for it.

[HighPrincessErinys]

seeking a replacement for Roden.

Let's simmer down, then. All my vexation aside Roden slot is still obvscum and there's no shot in hell 264 is made by town.

[HighPrincessErinys]

It feels like Roden was overjustifying his scumread on HPE a little

In the dystopian hypothetical world of town!Roden he was absolutely exaggerating and stretching a bit for some unknown reason.

[HighPrincessErinys]

I think town!Roden could try something like that to win the 1v1 I suppose

The 1v1 of a direly misplaced scumread. You hate to see it.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Also speaking of Smuggler's Port, Roden's ISO in that game feels

alot

different, it has to say.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Koba would you like to help flip scum

[HighPrincessErinys]

oh yeah. yoing

[HighPrincessErinys]

Heyo friends, let's do this

Would you like to address your predecessor's wacky ass reads?

[HighPrincessErinys]

Ok, initial thoughts are that the solve is in Black or HPE (one of the two, not both), TL1R and Shadow.

Ausuka is easy Town Lock and Koba's play seems too natural to me. It's been a while, and I'm rusty as hell with a bad streak thus far in the return, so take it all with a grain of salt, and I'll do another reread later today

scumreads me too... L!

[HighPrincessErinys]

I always scum read replacements and once when Margot is done with her catchup and reads list I'm probably going to scum read her too.

- A

I don't like how preemptive this feels. Why do you always scumread replacements?

TRUEEEEEEEE

[HighPrincessErinys]

It feels like they are positioning themselves to hop on the Roden/Margot wagon

VOTE: Ausuka

- A

that some roden wagon...



but agree with A about ausuka

~H

VOTE: Ausuka

VOTE: HPE

I think HPE's reactions and responses to his wagon feel fine. There's a sense of entitlement in his read regarding the e-2 stuff and it makes me think he actually believes what he's saying

VOTE: Roden

His vote and subsequent conversation with HPE felt more opportunistic than the Rogue's

VOTE: Flare Fluff

It feels like they are positioning themselves to hop on the Roden/Margot wagon

Plus I kinda wanna let Margot cook

ok lmao with black! seriously!

you have been voting on off, on wagons Xd while accusing A, of doing this! A chan, on the other hand is voting someone she suspects.

~H

includes ausuka rvs vote and also doesnt mention the fact that she includes pretty decent reasons for changing votes

[HighPrincessErinys]

Ok, initial thoughts are that the solve is in Black or HPE (one of the two, not both), TL1R and Shadow.

Ausuka is easy Town Lock and Koba's play seems too natural to me. It's been a while, and I'm rusty as hell with a bad streak thus far in the return, so take it all with a grain of salt, and I'll do another reread later today

About your initial thought, why did you think a solve is in Black or HPE? By Ausuka being a town lock, are you saying you normally find it easy to town lock Ausuka or are you town locking Ausuka in this game?

- A

I'm more saying that I think it could be one or the other, but not both, as one of my potential solves (not that it's definitely one of the two).

It was an initial impulse born honestly more from a gut read of their exchange pages 6 and 7:

VOTE: HPE

UNVOTE: Ausuka
RVS E-2... scawy!

Why so afraid?

cause a flip this early is a terrible idea lol

I'm curious why you didn't say this in 87

It feels more like you were riding the fence in that post when I would expect someone with this belief to be more critical of the shadow wagon

Not sure what non-criticality you're reading from "completely and utterly terrifying"

What are you terrified of exactly? Scum getting a quick misfade on someone?

That's a lesser concern compared to a painfully early shot in the dark funny ass flashwagon being basically devoid of info other than "well why did you guys flip them so early" to which everyone shrugs and says "shitpost". NO VCA, NO post-flip recontextualization of interactions, NO seeing who die hard townread the scum flip, nunna that. The longer a day goes, the better it is for town (in the long run atleast).

Do you think scum was pushing the shadow wagon?

Honestly? One scum on that wagon with the plausible deniability of RVS is likely, yes. Ausuka's too, perhaps.

HPE's posting here felt incredibly jumpy, and more concerned with not appearing to be pegged as a wagoner early on, as opposed to someone trying to engage in scum hunting. Black's responses, on the other hand, I can easily see as post hoc justification for the HPE vote which happened here: 127. I don't believe the exchange basically, but I also don't think that this is SvS, which means only one, if any, can be scum.

And like. This slot has to be cursed these are still terrible arguments against me. Jumpy?? Roden called me concerned about appearances too, when this one couldn't care less about them especially now that it has a laser lock on a scum slot.

[HighPrincessErinys]

My gut is saying Margot/Flare Fluff but this one is only really confident about Margot because there hasn't really been an improvement over Roden.

[HighPrincessErinys]

I'm not liking how HPE is piggy backing off of Black.

- A

We have a synergy going, so what.

[HighPrincessErinys]

My gut is saying Margot/Flare Fluff but this one is only really confident about Margot because there hasn't really been an improvement over Roden.

Also it occurred to me in the shower that ding ding ding this fits into my initial idea of 1 scum in 6 + a hydra as scumteam.

[HighPrincessErinys]

I'm not liking how HPE is piggy backing off of Black.

- A

We have a synergy going, so what.

And what is it?

- A

...A synergy?

[HighPrincessErinys]

I'm not liking how HPE is piggy backing off of Black.

- A

We have a synergy going, so what.

And what is it?

- A

...A synergy?

What is your synergy with Black? What are you agreeing on and why?

- A

Aren't you the one who just said this one is piggybacking off of Black? You tell me, friend.

[HighPrincessErinys]

I didn't like how you piggy backed Black into your suspicion on my slot and the suspicion on my slot was weak. You're not even trying to engage with me to figure out my alignment and I'm asking what other stuff are you agreeing with Black on beside on my slot.

Black or no, 323 and 344 are stinky posts. Also, 291 is an assessment it agrees with in a town!Roden world, and Black helped me get onto the path of actually trying to solve by asking 142. Black's like my buddy of sorts, for the moment.

[HighPrincessErinys]

I didn't like how you piggy backed Black into your suspicion on my slot and the suspicion on my slot was weak. You're not even trying to engage with me to figure out my alignment and I'm asking what other stuff are you agreeing with Black on beside on my slot.

Black or no, 323 and 344 are stinky posts. Also, 291 is an assessment it agrees with in a town!Roden world, and Black helped me get onto the path of actually trying to solve by asking 142. Black's like my buddy of sorts, for the moment.

Do you have your own takes besides wagons? You have been agreeing with Black and talking about wagons. Talking about wagons is not helpful when there has been no scum flip. Elaborate on what is stinky about 323 and 344

- A

Did your eyes just glaze over during me and Roden's argument over very non-wagon things? Did you just not see 349, which by the way don't forget the amounts of time between vote changes, and that we're still pretty damn early in the game and reads are typically fickle anyhow? This one doesn't care to do busywork for you.

[HighPrincessErinys]

There is yet to be a good argument made against me.

[HighPrincessErinys]

I didn't like how you piggy backed Black into your suspicion on my slot and the suspicion on my slot was weak. You're not even trying to engage with me to figure out my alignment and I'm asking what other stuff are you agreeing with Black on beside on my slot.

Black or no, 323 and 344 are stinky posts. Also, 291 is an assessment it agrees with in a town!Roden world, and Black helped me get onto the path of actually trying to solve by asking 142. Black's like my buddy of sorts, for the moment.

Do you have your own takes besides wagons? You have been agreeing with Black and talking about wagons. Talking about wagons is not helpful when there has been no scum flip. Elaborate on what is stinky about 323 and 344

- A

Did your eyes just glaze over during me and Roden's argument over very non-wagon things? Did you just not see 349, which by the way don't forget the amounts of time between vote changes, and that we're still pretty damn early in the game and reads are typically fickle anyhow? This one doesn't care to do busywork for you.

I have read your argument with Roden and I was confused to the point where nothing on there looked like takes to me and it just looked like you were attacking each other. 349 doesn't look like a take and it looks like shading.

- A

If you really can't understand why exactly this one disliked Roden's posts then we don't really have anything to talk about regarding them.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Did your eyes just glaze over during me and Roden's argument over very non-wagon things? Did you just not see 349, which by the way don't forget the amounts of time between vote changes, and that we're still pretty damn early in the game and reads are typically fickle anyhow? This one doesn't care to do busywork for you.

if her eyes glaze over, then it seems your truly a boring person... sad

If you feel the need to say this then this one'll interact just with a slot that operates in good faith instead.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Is piggybacking somebody inherently scummy?

- Theran

If the player is just going to piggyback without giving their own takes then yes it does look scummy. I don't recall seeing HPE give a single take that is not about wagons. It said it gave takes when it was arguing with Roden. I have read this interaction 3 times and it just looks like they are attacking each other. An interaction like that they had was not helpful for me on getting a read out of that.

- A

Again, if you looked at that argument and couldn't get anything on me or Roden from me picking his push apart in 277, that's kinda on you? Roden argued exclusively in bad faith.

[HighPrincessErinys]

you going on about whether or not Roden was arguing in bad faith, which scum Roden would never do, is not really helping.

what

[HighPrincessErinys]

seriously what.
what the fuck does that mean.

[HighPrincessErinys]

I explained this in my attempt at understanding Roden's play,m which you asked for when I joined the game?

so you're telling me scum!roden just doesn't lie or omit things and only argues in good faith

[HighPrincessErinys]

you're telling me that his blatantly wrong posts were made in good faith? that arguing "well HPE didn't want to vote shadow after the pressure on his wagon stopped, which

clearly

contradicts its previous stance of not wanting flashwagons/quickhamers" was done in good faith?

[HighPrincessErinys]

Would you like to join me on Shaddow in the mean time at least?

That's a weird question to ask right after your interaction with HPE. Do you have any thoughts of its alignment?

@Roden

I don't think it's town. It's claiming to be wary of quick hammers and flash wagons, but it didn't want to vote Shaddow even after the momentum there lulled. Withdrawing it's vote from Ausuka's wagon as well when it gained momentum makes me think it either only cares about appearances in case of a town flip, or is wary protecting a partner from an early elim. Either way, I don't see the town motivation for it.

There is just no way you believe a word of this. Are you even PRETENDING to have a real read on me at this point? How is not wanting to vote Shadow after his wagon stopped contradictory to being wary of quickhammers? Why is this even a point?? This one didn't care to vote Shadow in the first place let alone after his wagon's 'momentum' stopped. It's say MORE than a few times why it townreads him, infact. My participation on Ausuka's wagon was pure RVS and when a wagon it didn't believe in got in hammer distance it took the reasonable approach of stepping the fuck off so it can instead

read

Ausuka and make an informed decision to vote her later when it had

info

. And if you can't see the town motivation for not wanting stupid earlygame lolwagons go through... yikes.

Withdrawing it's vote from Ausuka's wagon as well when it gained momentum makes me think it either only cares about appearances in case of a town flip, or is wary protecting a partner from an early elim.

As an aside, it's also really insulting that you think scum!me is some fucking scum amateur that unvotes people because uwaa scawy association with a town flip :(((
Scum have to get their hands dirty, asshole.

My biggest regret is snapping on Roden and making him leave because it didn't give him a chance to explain this at all.

[HighPrincessErinys]

VOTE: Flare Fluff
Slot is a liability regardless of alignment tbch

[HighPrincessErinys]

FF's reads aren't very well thought out, or at least this one thinks that way because they can't seem to say anything that makes sense when asked to explain reads, and instead get accusatory of others. This would maybe be fine if they weren't doing this with literally every slot thats approached them. Everything is "poor reasons" or "shade" or, as Ausuka said, a "push narrative". NOT a helpful slot if town.

[HighPrincessErinys]

VOTE: Flare Fluff
Slot is a liability regardless of alignment tbch

agree tbh

hard to tell if this is an omgus heavy townie or a scum who got hard caught in their bullshit

Again, liability either way.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Yeah theres nothing inherently scummy about focusing on a slot or two at a time. It's how this one plays alot of the time tbh.

[HighPrincessErinys]

VOTE: Flare Fluff
Slot is a liability regardless of alignment tbch

I can see where you're coming from but I don't really think this is a good vote unless you think they are scum

They definitely could be, but this one doesn't think there's anything particularly wrong with a D1 "this is a bad slot regardless of alignment" flip.

[HighPrincessErinys]

i see people hate reads or list. so i will not do that anymore.

ok. cool. very helpful.

[HighPrincessErinys]

VOTE: Flare Fluff
Slot is a liability regardless of alignment tbch

This post pissed me off. The only player who has called us a liability is a toxic player we both hold a grudge against.

- A

Not the only one.

[HighPrincessErinys]

I don't like HPE playstyle regardless of what alignment it is.

- A

...So now you're saying the exact same thing that this one said which "pissed you off"?

[HighPrincessErinys]

I don't like HPE playstyle regardless of what alignment it is.

- A

...So now you're saying the exact same thing that this one said which "pissed you off"?

You have argued with Roden and insulted each other, then you attacked Margot, and insulted us. You need to stop that because it makes some players feel uncomfortable.

- A

Very uncharitable and discredity way of looking at my interactions with Margot in particular. Which is why you're getting heat from me, not because this one is some serial toxic shadeass like you seem to so stubbornly believe, with the way you're continually bringing up Roden and unable to move on from that incident.

[HighPrincessErinys]

It's actually rather hard to simmer down when everyone pushing you is doing so in blatant bad faith.

[HighPrincessErinys]

i'd rather go for MargotRosa, but you all think i'm ausuka's partner so not sure if i can really get people on board

VOTE: MargotRosa

[HighPrincessErinys]

I think I'd be ok with a FF lim based on reactions and what seems to be ATE more than a valid defense of their actions, but also think we need to consolidate based on time. Not willing to move to Ausuka right now.

This one is willing to go FF but it'd prefer Margot rn. Ausuka is off the table for me, this one would like to get back into the game proper D2 and look at slots besides Margot/FF. Just rn its too annoyed here and getting caught up elsewhere to be super present.

[HighPrincessErinys]

My two scumreads are on Ausuka and Rogues who this one isn't so sure about is too, like this one is not touching that wagon with a

100

foot pole.

[HighPrincessErinys]

I think I'd be ok with a FF lim based on reactions and what seems to be ATE more than a valid defense of their actions, but also think we need to consolidate based on time. Not willing to move to Ausuka right now.

This one is willing to go FF but it'd prefer Margot rn. Ausuka is off the table for me, this one would like to get back into the game proper D2 and look at slots besides Margot/FF. Just rn its too annoyed here and getting caught up elsewhere to be super present.

I feel like this is the first time you've even mentioned Ausuka. Why do you townread her?

This one doesn't, it just also doesn't scumread her either, and again, that wagon comp looks fucking awful.

[HighPrincessErinys]

I think the entire Ausuka wagon is town actually

[HighPrincessErinys]

This Margot scumread from FF seems new

[HighPrincessErinys]

That's 3 people willing to vote Koba. Do we have 4 and 5?

Koba vote stinks. Feels like a diversion to kill the shitposty goofball compared to Margot who can't supply a single well-reasoned post.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Flare Fluff + Koba could kill Margot here and now

[HighPrincessErinys]

HPE saying Koba vote stinks and saying it's a diversion to kill them over Margot saying who didn't provide a single well reasoned post is pretty much the same thing on what Koba is doing. I don't see how are Koba and Margot different from each other to posting for HPE when it comes to their posting and especially when I have seen no signs of towniness from those two.

- A

Margot's unreasoned posts are bad lame pushing. Koba's unreasoned posts are just "haha, e-1! someone e-1! haha!". They've also made several actually well-reasoned posts, is the thing. Margot's motivations are scummy, Koba's are towny, despite the E-1 fishing.

[HighPrincessErinys]

I am not in a rush to end the day and I will still be around later.

- A

We have 28 hours.

[HighPrincessErinys]

HPE what does your readslist look like atm

shaddowez

DkKoba

Ausuka

tris
Black

Two Level 1 Rogues

Flare Fluff

MargotRosa

Rogues could probably go to nullville all things considered but this is otherwise how things stand for me.

[HighPrincessErinys]

HPE saying Koba vote stinks and saying it's a diversion to kill them over Margot saying who didn't provide a single well reasoned post is pretty much the same thing on what Koba is doing. I don't see how are Koba and Margot different from each other to posting for HPE when it comes to their posting and especially when I have seen no signs of towniness from those two.

- A

Margot's unreasoned posts are bad lame pushing. Koba's unreasoned posts are just "haha, e-1! someone e-1! haha!". They've also made several actually well-reasoned posts, is the thing. Margot's motivations are scummy, Koba's are towny, despite the E-1 fishing.

Show me the well reasoned posts Koba made. I haven't seen a single post from them that was well reasoned. Margot and Koba have been two null slots.

- A

56, 501, 524, 563, 705, 710. These all stand out to me as very townie posts, but there's some more wedged into the gaps. The frustrating part about Koba's ISO is everything else which is certifiably NAI shitposting and admittedly questionable E-1/Hammer eagerness, but there's genuine effort behind the scenes.

[HighPrincessErinys]

My two scumreads are on Ausuka and Rogues who this one isn't so sure about is too, like this one is not touching that wagon with a

100

foot pole.

HPE what does your readslist look like atm

shaddowez

DkKoba

Ausuka

tris
Black

Two Level 1 Rogues

Flare Fluff

MargotRosa

Rogues could probably go to nullville all things considered but this is otherwise how things stand for me.

On the first quote above you said your two scum reads are voting Ausuka and Rogues. The only players who were voting Rogues at the time were Ausuka and tris which mean you have been scum reading one of those two. When I look at your reads list here it seems to be different from your viewpoint on your first post I quoted above.

- A

This one... never said that?
"My two scumreads are on Ausuka and Rogues who this one isn't so sure about is too" seems to fairly clearly say "My two scumreads are voting Ausuka and this third player that's iffy is voting her too", even if not precisely.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Perhaps a comma would have helped me, true, but the point still stands wrt Ausuka's wagon comp.

[HighPrincessErinys]

HPE saying Koba vote stinks and saying it's a diversion to kill them over Margot saying who didn't provide a single well reasoned post is pretty much the same thing on what Koba is doing. I don't see how are Koba and Margot different from each other to posting for HPE when it comes to their posting and especially when I have seen no signs of towniness from those two.

- A

Margot's unreasoned posts are bad lame pushing. Koba's unreasoned posts are just "haha, e-1! someone e-1! haha!". They've also made several actually well-reasoned posts, is the thing. Margot's motivations are scummy, Koba's are towny, despite the E-1 fishing.

Show me the well reasoned posts Koba made. I haven't seen a single post from them that was well reasoned. Margot and Koba have been two null slots.

- A

56, 501, 524, 563, 705, 710. These all stand out to me as very townie posts, but there's some more wedged into the gaps. The frustrating part about Koba's ISO is everything else which is certifiably NAI shitposting and admittedly questionable E-1/Hammer eagerness, but there's genuine effort behind the scenes.

These posts from Koba are nai and they can easily be faked.

- A

Yeahhhh that's about what this one expected.

[HighPrincessErinys]

HPE can you talk about your town read on Ausuka on 158. You put Ausuka as town and you never gave a reason on why you put her as town.

- A

Wagon comp sucks ass, which makes me lean town on Ausuka when no one above null is voting for her.

[HighPrincessErinys]

HPE can you talk about your town read on Ausuka on 158. You put Ausuka as town and you never gave a reason on why you put her as town.

- A

Wagon comp sucks ass, which makes me lean town on Ausuka when no one above null is voting for her.

Are you saying in this post you town read Ausuka for being voted by town and you town read the players who voted Ausuka at start of day phase?

I need more elaboration on how you got to town reading Ausuka for being voted by two other players you are town reading.

- A

Ok this is getting ridiculous now after 760.
NOBODY

ABOVE

NULL. Black has fallen to null to me for her posturing towards Koba that this one disagrees with and dislikes, Rogues have been nullscum for a while, and Margot/You are outright scumreads. No one that this one townreads is voting Ausuka. Ausuka is being voted by scum. How did you come up with this one saying Ausuka is town for being voted by its townreads??

[HighPrincessErinys]

HPE can you talk about your town read on Ausuka on 158. You put Ausuka as town and you never gave a reason on why you put her as town.

- A

Wagon comp sucks ass, which makes me lean town on Ausuka when no one above null is voting for her.

Are you saying in this post you town read Ausuka for being voted by town and you town read the players who voted Ausuka at start of day phase?

I need more elaboration on how you got to town reading Ausuka for being voted by two other players you are town reading.

- A

Ok this is getting ridiculous now after 760.
NOBODY

ABOVE

NULL. Black has fallen to null to me for her posturing towards Koba that this one disagrees with and dislikes, Rogues have been nullscum for a while, and Margot/You are outright scumreads. No one that this one townreads is voting Ausuka. Ausuka is being voted by scum. How did you come up with this one saying Ausuka is town for being voted by its townreads??

That's a pretty weak reason to drop your townread on me. Why is my Koba stance scummy?

That's 3 people willing to vote Koba. Do we have 4 and 5?

Koba vote stinks. Feels like a diversion to kill the shitposty goofball compared to Margot who can't supply a single well-reasoned post.

[HighPrincessErinys]

That doesn't really explain why you think it's scummy. Do you think I'm scum with Margot?

This one doesn't even think you're scum, jesus. It nettles me that you townread FF

and

Margot, but right now you're just "weird vibes for that Koba position".

[HighPrincessErinys]

im gonna go insane

[HighPrincessErinys]

Koba always has weird reads to me. In team mafia they town read HPE who was scum while me and another town player were the only players who had HPE in poe. In Black's team mafia game I had her as obv town and Koba just now said they had Black as scum in that team mafia game.

- A

Please don't pretend you were onto me the whole time during TM, we both know you weren't.

[HighPrincessErinys]

This just feels like you trying to emphasize your "Ausuka wagon sucks" read by artificially taking away your townread on me

If one of HPE/Ausuka flips scum I'm auto flipping the other

Why are you trying to string together my thoughts on the Ausuka wagon and your position on Koba?

[HighPrincessErinys]

These are separate fucking issues.

[HighPrincessErinys]

[HighPrincessErinys]

This just feels like you trying to emphasize your "Ausuka wagon sucks" read by artificially taking away your townread on me

If one of HPE/Ausuka flips scum I'm auto flipping the other

can u try to like focus more on understanding the mindset that brings ppl to have a conclusion instead of assuming that they disagree = they must have scum mindset

I tried to understand why HPE thought me trying to fade you was scummy, and I still don't get it. It only makes sense to scumread that if it thinks I'm trying to save my scum buddy Margot. If you can think of any other reason I'm more than willing to listen

Again, at NO point did this one say it scumread you for that. It's not reasonable to say that any drop in a townread is inherently a scumread.

[HighPrincessErinys]

This just feels like you trying to emphasize your "Ausuka wagon sucks" read by artificially taking away your townread on me

If one of HPE/Ausuka flips scum I'm auto flipping the other

can u try to like focus more on understanding the mindset that brings ppl to have a conclusion instead of assuming that they disagree = they must have scum mindset

I tried to understand why HPE thought me trying to fade you was scummy, and I still don't get it. It only makes sense to scumread that if it thinks I'm trying to save my scum buddy Margot. If you can think of any other reason I'm more than willing to listen

Again, at NO point did this one say it scumread you for that. It's not reasonable to say that any drop in a townread is inherently a scumread.

If you no longer townread me due to me wanting to fade Koba, wouldn't that imply that you think it was a scummy move?

It's a foolish move, not a scummy one. This one would expect you of all people to be able to read between the lines with Koba. Then again, you're townreading Margot. Pain.

[HighPrincessErinys]

c'mon.

[HighPrincessErinys]

hey as an aside who the hell is theran and who the hell is corinne

[HighPrincessErinys]

genuinely have not been sure which head is who so far. my gut says corinne is thomith and de is theran but idk lmao

[HighPrincessErinys]

v/la until monday

[HighPrincessErinys]

margot, I will be 100% hammering you over ausuka here so your best chance of surivval here is to vote flarefluff and hope people switch

You don't believe her claim? Hammering her over Ausuka would be throwing

oh no not the

checks notes

town detector detector

[HighPrincessErinys]

this one would say intent to hammer please claim etc etc but its probably not going to really be here for that

[HighPrincessErinys]

this one would say intent to hammer please claim etc etc but its probably not going to really be here for that

UNVOTE:

go ahead ill be here

sure whatever have fun VOTE: Rogues

[HighPrincessErinys]

Hopefully theres a contingency plan for dragon claims mason or whatever

I would offer to join the spinning but again tired

contingency: nolim and we all go "womp womp" at the start of d2

[HighPrincessErinys]

Hopefully theres a contingency plan for dragon claims mason or whatever

I would offer to join the spinning but again tired

contingency: nolim and we all go "womp womp" at the start of d2

Would you rather no lim or fade Ausuka?

no and no

[HighPrincessErinys]

how do we confirm that rogues are mason if they claim it

yeahhhhh scum!rogues claims mason 100% of the time here

[HighPrincessErinys]

margot continues to absolutely baffle me

[HighPrincessErinys]

Yes. It looked like there were only two viable wagons, and as certain as I felt that Ausuka was town, I am even more certain that I am town, so I brought the votes in line because I didn't want to tantrum throw

PLEASE flip this fucking slot tomorrow

[HighPrincessErinys]

but what if rogues are mafia

IF rogues is mafia, then fuck whatever margot is cleared. if not... yeah kill em with hammers

[HighPrincessErinys]

Yes. It looked like there were only two viable wagons, and as certain as I felt that Ausuka was town, I am even more certain that I am town, so I brought the votes in line because I didn't want to tantrum throw

I guess this makes sense. I forgot you were the leading wagon at the time

this makes like no sense at all??

[HighPrincessErinys]

"hmm, today i will vote one of my townreads because i do not wish to die" JUST VOTE A SCUMREAD???

[HighPrincessErinys]

Yes. It looked like there were only two viable wagons, and as certain as I felt that Ausuka was town, I am even more certain that I am town, so I brought the votes in line because I didn't want to tantrum throw

I guess this makes sense. I forgot you were the leading wagon at the time

this makes like no sense at all??

It absolutely does. If Margot is town then she doesn't know Ausuka's alignment. Why would she not vote for the wagon that gives her the best chance to survive?

The correct play would be to try to push a different wagon but if she's not going to do that then the survival vote is the next best thing

Instead of survival voting maybe you should like. Convince people to townread you instead? Or atleast share your own reads? Insane idea, this one knows.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Like there are times you gotta know when to fold 'em even as town. Self-preservation at all costs is stupid.

[HighPrincessErinys]

i think theres plausibility going both ways wrt margot here. not worth overanalyzing it and just focusing on her reaction and progression post rogue flip, whatever it may be.

Yeah... This game is kinda unhinged tbh

[HighPrincessErinys]

Like there are times you gotta know when to fold 'em even as town. Self-preservation at all costs is stupid.

This is an awful take

"let me just lay down and die instead of voting for someone I townread but could still be scum"

like what

at that point you might as well just fuckin do whatever! don't just throw everything at the wall when you're getting voted up as town, contribute meaningfully.

[HighPrincessErinys]

yall this is just mafia theory arguments :sob:

god fucking damn it black you turned me into a theorycrafter nerd

[HighPrincessErinys]

this is the lowest point of my career for sure.

[HighPrincessErinys]

1. This one is sorry for ever doubting you Margot.
2. hey black wanna talk about that ausuka townflip?

[HighPrincessErinys]

Actually no Black is probably fine here because it would be tantamount to suicide to uberpush Ausuka then nightkill her. But also, why the fuck would scum nightkill her when she was at E-1 and could probably be reasonably assumed to be a viable mislim candidate?

[HighPrincessErinys]

what actually even is ,

[HighPrincessErinys]

also apparently happy birthday tris. This is gonna be a doozy of a day.

[HighPrincessErinys]

God of Madness

Town aligned. Each night, may target two players. Their roles, but not alignments, are swapped. If a role swapped is incompatible with the new alignment it has, make the minimum amount of changes needed to make it work.

Inspired by a game on my homesite with this mechanic.

if this is the role that caused me to lose my role, then get rekt whoever swapped with me

Everyone has different roles now................. not just you..........

[HighPrincessErinys]

I don't really understand why Margot is cleared? Sure she hammered Rogues but Rogues was going to be hammered anyway. I don't necessarily think she's scum but she's not conf town

This one thought up some crackpot theory about a scum bus hammer and how its unlikely but it since completely forgot about it so. It guesses like, even a bus hammer puts a target on your back? Especially since it was out of nowhere.

[HighPrincessErinys]

It still wouldn't surprise if Margot was scum with how bad her/Roden's D1 posting was, either way.

[HighPrincessErinys]

It still wouldn't surprise if Margot was scum with how bad her/Roden's D1 posting was, either way.

wut

hands you a bag of sunflower seeds. Don't Worry About It :)

[HighPrincessErinys]

I was kind of hoping that there was a town and a scum detector detector, so I had a useful investigative role. Alas, looks like the roles are all memes

My new card MIGHT be useful. Keyword might.

[HighPrincessErinys]

My action card is completely useless

Did you roll the gibberish

[HighPrincessErinys]

It's possible albeit improbable that scum split themselves up, with one being on Shadow while that was hot and another going onto Ausuka. More likely however is one in six is scum and the outlier is in Flare Fluff or the Rogues.

feels good to be atleast partially right, so far

[HighPrincessErinys]

We are mason with tris.

- A

[HighPrincessErinys]

cant vote ff OR margot in good conscience. thats fucked up

[HighPrincessErinys]

VOTE: shaddowez

Methinks its here or on Black.

[HighPrincessErinys]

yoing

[HighPrincessErinys]

cant vote ff OR margot in good conscience. thats fucked up

Well yeah, FF is a mason. But why is Margot suddenly clear fypov?

Still willing to believe town!Margot for the moment for hammering scum. It's not exactly "clear" but it's "ok you have a second chance to not post like a goofass and convince me"

[HighPrincessErinys]

cant vote ff OR margot in good conscience. thats fucked up

Well yeah, FF is a mason. But why is Margot suddenly clear fypov?

Still willing to believe town!Margot for the moment for hammering scum. It's not exactly "clear" but it's "ok you have a second chance to not post like a goofass and convince me"

I'm having a hard time believing that her hammering in a situation where Koba was already the designated hammer vote would make you reverse your game-long scumread on her. You've been adamant about Roden!scum and Margot!scum. Is the hammer really that big of a town tell to you?

Can you stop exaggerating the strength of my read? Margot gets a second chance for the time being, that's all. We have more room to mislim now that it's just one scum, too.

[HighPrincessErinys]

VOTE: shaddowez

Methinks its here or on Black.

This isn't just giving Margot a second chance. You've completely removed her from your PoE

Why do think scum!Margot wouldn't hammer in that situation?

Again, this one thinks an out-of-left-field scumbus hammer like that would paint a target on one's back, ALL eyes are on you for hammering all of a sudden. It makes me think there's possibly a town motivation in there, because otherwise it feels like a huge blunder.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Actually no Black is probably fine here because it would be tantamount to suicide to uberpush Ausuka then nightkill her. But also, why the fuck would scum nightkill her when she was at E-1 and could probably be reasonably assumed to be a viable mislim candidate?

VOTE: shaddowez

Methinks its here or on Black.

Also there is a disconnect between these two posts

Actually no Black is probably fine here because it would be tantamount to suicide to uberpush Ausuka then nightkill her. But also, why the fuck would scum nightkill her when she was at E-1 and could probably be reasonably assumed to be a viable mislim candidate?

The Ausuka kill makes sense to me. She was pretty much conf town after the Rogues flip

[HighPrincessErinys]

[HighPrincessErinys]

Yeah I'm not really buying this drastic read change on Margot. Meanwhile HPE is still keeping the door open to push there with posts like 1051

I think HPE is just scum here

also again with the fucking exaggeration

[HighPrincessErinys]

that last quote is why i went "wut" after the daystart statement from HPE lol

It's almost like none of us knew for sure if Rogues was gonna flip scum or not.........

[HighPrincessErinys]

Yeah, go ahead and curse, use that AtE. Get mad. It won't save you

You could atleast

try

not to (attempt to) push buttons, Black.

[HighPrincessErinys]

shaddowez -> Black -> MargotRosa

There, you happy? Margot in the PoE. This one is just trying to keep its mind open to every possibility, and town!Margot is one, as it's explained before. Hell, you could argue a post like 1069 is a scumslip of some sort, but either way this one thinks staying in its tunnel and not considering other contenders is just a bad idea, and one of the slots NOT involved with the shaddowez wagon flipping scum is kinda reeking of fish, to me. At the same time this one still isn't a fan of you trying to drum up support for Koba INSTEAD of Margot. Like it said, possibilities.

[HighPrincessErinys]

and one of the slots NOT involved with the shaddowez wagon flipping scum is kinda reeking of fish, to me.

And to expand on this in particular:

As my 154 laid out: Roden, tris, Ausuka and technically Koba were on the shaddowez wagon. That's 2 conftown. And of the two "outlier" slots that were on neither of the RVS wagons, the hydrae, one is conftown, and the other is scum. Ausuka flipped town, but shaddowez... It makes me think.

[HighPrincessErinys]

and one of the slots NOT involved with the shaddowez wagon flipping scum is kinda reeking of fish, to me.

And to expand on this in particular:
As my 154 laid out: Roden, tris, Ausuka and technically Koba were on the shaddowez wagon. That's 2 conftown. And of the two "outlier" slots that were on neither of the RVS wagons, the hydrae, one is conftown, and the other is scum. Ausuka flipped town, but shaddowez... It makes me think.

My theory of no busses in those two wagons is atleast objectively true (hehe :3) but also MAYBE a clue? Obviously this all doesn't exactly mean ONLY a shaddowez/Rogues team but it's still very interesting.

[HighPrincessErinys]

At the same time this one still isn't a fan of you trying to drum up support for Koba INSTEAD of Margot.

Why does this bother you? I had a slight townlean on Margot at the time and I wasn't townreading Koba

Cause your townlean on Margot was dumb.

[HighPrincessErinys]

At the same time this one still isn't a fan of you trying to drum up support for Koba INSTEAD of Margot.

Why does this bother you? I had a slight townlean on Margot at the time and I wasn't townreading Koba

Cause your townlean on Margot was dumb.

Well first of all I disagree. But for the sake of the argument let's say she is scum and the read is dumb. Town have dumb reads all the time. Why is this particular read scummy to you?

If not for Rogues flipping scum and it being down to 1 scum, this one would say you two might be partnered and you're trying to cover for her. Its still a possibility you see her as a valuable asset (read: liability to town) however, and in general this one just really disagrees (disagreed? Rogues really did complicate things.) with, on the other end, your Koba read too.

[HighPrincessErinys]

I still think it could be Koba tbh

HPE -> shaddow -> Koba probably wins us the game. I don't think it's Margot

We could always compromise on shaddow together.

[HighPrincessErinys]

HPE what does your readslist look like atm

shaddowez

DkKoba

Ausuka

tris
Black

Two Level 1 Rogues

Flare Fluff

MargotRosa

Rogues could probably go to nullville all things considered but this is otherwise how things stand for me.

Can you explain your progression on shaddow here from being town lock on day 1 to instantly being your first vote candidate on day 2? On day 2 you said you would vote in either shaddow or Black and why did you choose to want to vote shaddow over Black who you has as a null read?

- A

This one has already explained the correlation between shaddowez and Rogues.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Also, since I'm at a computer for the first time since posting my beginning of Day stuff, here's the full rundown of my thought process at the beginning of the Day:

My role n1 was a rolecop mishearer. I didn't have any major scumpings except for Margot, so decided to go for a hunch instead and investigated tris. My result told me she was a 4 NATO dollar. Before I even saw the VC I looked at the ideas thread and found a TOWN Tornado Caller. As I was posting, koba said something about being a mod lie detector (which is what I got for D2), which I also looked up and the only role that exists is a TOWN mod lie detector. Looking at the tornado caller, it says that the alignment stays the same. For some reason, my first thought was that meant that whatever the role was - since it was town and I got it, that cleared both of them (since both roles were town) and me, since it stayed the same.

I then reread the tornado caller, and realized that it meant that the player's alignment stayed the same, not the role. Therefore, since both roles were town I figured I could clear both of them, but realized that didn't actually clear me since if I was maf to begin with, the tornado wouldn't change that.

Then, I looked up my role, saw it was only goon in the idea thread, reread the rules and saw that Sky neutral-ed all the roles, and my theory on clearing anyone based on that went out the window. Now, tris is cleared based on mason, and I still believe koba to be town, but not purely based on role anymore.

The big thing then is determining if the tornado only swaps roles around for town (or atleast, the same alignment? Like only town could get that rolecop mishearer card.)

[HighPrincessErinys]

HPE what does your readslist look like atm

shaddowez

DkKoba

Ausuka

tris
Black

Two Level 1 Rogues

Flare Fluff

MargotRosa

Rogues could probably go to nullville all things considered but this is otherwise how things stand for me.

Can you explain your progression on shaddow here from being town lock on day 1 to instantly being your first vote candidate on day 2? On day 2 you said you would vote in either shaddow or Black and why did you choose to want to vote shaddow over Black who you has as a null read?

- A

This one has already explained the correlation between shaddowez and Rogues.

Can you show me the post where you explained so that I can see it.

- A

theres an iso function you know.

1170 and 1171

[HighPrincessErinys]

The big thing then is determining if the tornado only swaps roles around for town (or atleast, the same alignment? Like only town could get that rolecop mishearer card.)

I do not believe it does, that was my initial misunderstanding of the role though

If by some miracle it DOES, then we're both clear because this one got your rolecop mishearer card today lmao.

[HighPrincessErinys]

It's unlikely though because then you can just clear the game immediately on D2, it feels like.

[HighPrincessErinys]

God of Madness

Town aligned. Each night, may target two players. Their roles, but not alignments, are swapped. If a role swapped is incompatible with the new alignment it has, make the minimum amount of changes needed to make it work.

Inspired by a game on my homesite with this mechanic.

if this is the role that caused me to lose my role, then get rekt whoever swapped with me

skygazer said it was tornado! my tornado

Do you know if your tornado swapped roles only for slots of the same alignment?

[HighPrincessErinys]

God of Madness

Town aligned. Each night, may target two players. Their roles, but not alignments, are swapped. If a role swapped is incompatible with the new alignment it has, make the minimum amount of changes needed to make it work.

Inspired by a game on my homesite with this mechanic.

if this is the role that caused me to lose my role, then get rekt whoever swapped with me

skygazer said it was tornado! my tornado

Do you know if your tornado swapped roles only for slots of the same alignment?

The tornado only swaps action roles and it doesn't swap alignments.

- A

That's not what it asked.

[HighPrincessErinys]

We don't know if it does or doesn't specify, which is why its asking tris.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Actually you know what, fuck it

VOTE: Koba

I want to resolve this before HPE/shaddow now

koba attitude comes of awful.


~H

Vote there with me please

@HPE
@shaddow

If ya'll are town I encourage you to do the same

no

[HighPrincessErinys]

FF as conftown really irks me because it does nothing to solve the issue of them being completely unreliable

[HighPrincessErinys]

VOTE: Black

This one wants to team up with shaddow to try and figure out the implications of the tornado before maybe possibly killing him anyway (if Black should flip town) but for the time being Black's push on Koba is slime incarnate.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Yep here come the personal attacks

scum Koba in defense mode trying to AtE their way out of being faded

Is everytime someone gets even a little upset when pushed just scum AtE in your eyes, or is this good ol' confbias?

[HighPrincessErinys]

this game might be, truly, hell

[HighPrincessErinys]

If they actually read through my town games like they say they did then they would know this type of paranoia push is common from me

terrifying prospect that you play like this often

[HighPrincessErinys]

i dont think it's hpe!

but uh, lemme try to justify that

What was she cooking?

[HighPrincessErinys]

seeking a replacement for tris.

cool!

[HighPrincessErinys]

happy late scumday to black and happy scumday today to koba

[HighPrincessErinys]

Maybe we could get a deadline pause or an extension with the replacement?

Yeah we do kinda still need that replacement huh.

[HighPrincessErinys]

man fuck it VOTE: MargotRosa

[HighPrincessErinys]

think my modded ror2 was perfectly timed cause a vine boom played after posting that

[HighPrincessErinys]

feeling very vindicated by coming up with the hypothesis that FF is a slot that scum would love to pocket or just use as a distraction and then looking at rogues iso and he does exactly that

[HighPrincessErinys]

this isnt really relevant to the gamestate rn but it feels good to get it right

[HighPrincessErinys]

I think Town!Margot votes Rogues there, even when considering the possible survival element. Scum!Margot only votes Rogues there if her and Rogues decided they should bus, and why would they do that when they could put the "Mason" at e-1 instead?

Considering we never got a claim from Rogues (probably for the better because they'd just claim mason lmao) and it was so close to deadline, its probably because they disappeared before Margot could coordinate with them.

[HighPrincessErinys]

I think Town!Margot votes Rogues there, even when considering the possible survival element. Scum!Margot only votes Rogues there if her and Rogues decided they should bus, and why would they do that when they could put the "Mason" at e-1 instead?

Considering we never got a claim from Rogues (probably for the better because they'd just claim mason lmao) and it was so close to deadline, its probably because they disappeared before Margot could coordinate with them.

Interesting. You're presupposing Margot is scum here, yet your vote would seem to indicate the opposite.
Why is that?

-Rat

oh my god not another explanation rodeo after changing my mind.

[HighPrincessErinys]

I think Town!Margot votes Rogues there, even when considering the possible survival element. Scum!Margot only votes Rogues there if her and Rogues decided they should bus, and why would they do that when they could put the "Mason" at e-1 instead?

Considering we never got a claim from Rogues (probably for the better because they'd just claim mason lmao) and it was so close to deadline, its probably because they disappeared before Margot could coordinate with them.

Interesting. You're presupposing Margot is scum here, yet your vote would seem to indicate the opposite.
Why is that?

-Rat

oh my god not another explanation rodeo after changing my mind.

Look, alright. This one gets it, being lenient toward Margot was a stupid idea, she's more likely scum than not, it KNOWS. This one considered the possibility and it's an unlikely one and we could probably just flip Margot anyway and be fine if she's town somehow.

[HighPrincessErinys]

this one is just really Tired of this game by this point

[HighPrincessErinys]

Life exploded, catching up. Based on when I left the thread, expectation is I'll be voting Margot, resolving the 1v1 with HPE after if necessary

You probably don't need me to tell you but votin Margot here is hammer.

[HighPrincessErinys]

VOTE: margot

gg i was maf

damn, they really got us.......................................

[HighPrincessErinys]

Because yeah to be fair E-2 is only 3 votes, there's not many people here, but that also means the odds of one of our two scum being part of that 3 is pretty good.

The pool of shadow and or Ausuka voters is, Roden, tris, HPE, Black, Ausuka, DkKoba, 6/9 slots in the game. Roden and tris had nothing to do with the Ausuka wagon, and me and Black had nothing to do with the Shadow wagon, with DkKoba being apparently willing to lolhammer shadow and voting for Ausuka, and Ausuka voting for Shadow. This is kind of a clusterfuck but its a start.

It's possible albeit improbable that scum split themselves up, with one being on Shadow while that was hot and another going onto Ausuka. More likely however is one in six is scum and the outlier is in Flare Fluff or the Rogues.

oh hey this one was exactly right all along.

[HighPrincessErinys]

man this one KNEW he was making bad faith arguments

[HighPrincessErinys]

real