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- here is a sample role pm that none of you received:
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Oh yeah, been a bit since we've played a game together Black.-
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damn already tryna hit us with the "i havent rolled scum in forever lol" wifom.............In post 23, DkKoba wrote: btw fun fact in completed games i have only randed mafia twice in the past 2 years and that was each a year apart. this game has continued a fortuitous streak of town rands.
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To be fair that was mostly you, considering this one tunneled on Gimli, but yes, let's.In post 29, Black wrote:
I think the last time we played was when we caught KiraIn post 17, HighPrincessErinys wrote: Oh yeah, been a bit since we've played a game together Black.
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A successful flashwagon on someone who hasn't even posted yet, only after about one real life day, would be simultaneously absolutely fucking hilarious and completely and utterly terrifying.In post 70, DkKoba wrote: if 1 more person votes ill hammer-
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Daycult... damn...
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UNVOTE: Ausuka
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cause a flip this early is a terrible idea lol
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not particularlyIn post 133, Roden wrote: Would you like to join me on Shaddow in the mean time at least?-
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Not sure what non-criticality you're reading from "completely and utterly terrifying"In post 135, Black wrote:
I'm curious why you didn't say this in 87In post 131, HighPrincessErinys wrote:cause a flip this early is a terrible idea lol
It feels more like you were riding the fence in that post when I would expect someone with this belief to be more critical of the shadow wagon-
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That's a lesser concern compared to a painfully early shot in the dark funny ass flashwagon being basically devoid of info other than "well why did you guys flip them so early" to which everyone shrugs and says "shitpost". NO VCA, NO post-flip recontextualization of interactions, NO seeing who die hard townread the scum flip, nunna that. The longer a day goes, the better it is for town (in the long run atleast).In post 138, Black wrote:
What are you terrified of exactly? Scum getting a quick misfade on someone?In post 136, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
Not sure what non-criticality you're reading from "completely and utterly terrifying"In post 135, Black wrote:
I'm curious why you didn't say this in 87In post 131, HighPrincessErinys wrote:cause a flip this early is a terrible idea lol
It feels more like you were riding the fence in that post when I would expect someone with this belief to be more critical of the shadow wagon-
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Honestly? One scum on that wagon with the plausible deniability of RVS is likely, yes. Ausuka's too, perhaps.In post 142, Black wrote:
Do you think scum was pushing the shadow wagon?In post 139, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
That's a lesser concern compared to a painfully early shot in the dark funny ass flashwagon being basically devoid of info other than "well why did you guys flip them so early" to which everyone shrugs and says "shitpost". NO VCA, NO post-flip recontextualization of interactions, NO seeing who die hard townread the scum flip, nunna that. The longer a day goes, the better it is for town (in the long run atleast).In post 138, Black wrote:
What are you terrified of exactly? Scum getting a quick misfade on someone?In post 136, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
Not sure what non-criticality you're reading from "completely and utterly terrifying"In post 135, Black wrote:
I'm curious why you didn't say this in 87In post 131, HighPrincessErinys wrote:cause a flip this early is a terrible idea lol
It feels more like you were riding the fence in that post when I would expect someone with this belief to be more critical of the shadow wagon-
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Because yeah to be fair E-2 is only 3 votes, there's not many people here, but that also means the odds of one of our two scum being part of that 3 is pretty good.-
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The pool of shadow and or Ausuka voters is, Roden, tris, HPE, Black, Ausuka, DkKoba, 6/9 slots in the game. Roden and tris had nothing to do with the Ausuka wagon, and me and Black had nothing to do with the Shadow wagon, with DkKoba being apparently willing to lolhammer shadow and voting for Ausuka, and Ausuka voting for Shadow. This is kind of a clusterfuck but its a start.In post 152, HighPrincessErinys wrote: Because yeah to be fair E-2 is only 3 votes, there's not many people here, but that also means the odds of one of our two scum being part of that 3 is pretty good.-
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It's possible albeit improbable that scum split themselves up, with one being on Shadow while that was hot and another going onto Ausuka. More likely however is one in six is scum and the outlier is in Flare Fluff or the Rogues.-
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god damn it black now look what you've made me do. actually try!-
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Going to place my vote of suspicion on our one (1) scum here because OMGUS.
VOTE: Roden-
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But that being said my main pool to solve of the 6 is probably Roden tris and Koba because this one doubts its Ausuka, this one is town :3, and Black is my bestie who has unintentionally activated my Ballin' functionality.In post 157, HighPrincessErinys wrote:Going to place my vote of suspicion on our one (1) scum here because OMGUS.
VOTE: Roden-
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anyway time to shut up and eat dinner-
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Shadow is locktown for me rn because scum would absolutely not bus their partner before they even show up to the game lmao.In post 160, Flare Fluff wrote:
It looks like you are basing your reads on wagon analysis which is not helpful for reads and it's better to look at the content of the posts. Are you town reading Shadow and Ausuka since you said you suspected there could have been scum on their wagon?In post 155, HighPrincessErinys wrote: It's possible albeit improbable that scum split themselves up, with one being on Shadow while that was hot and another going onto Ausuka. More likely however is one in six is scum and the outlier is in Flare Fluff or the Rogues.
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This one is townreading Black, Koba said they'd hammer Shadow, and if both scum are in the hydrae this one will be forced to scream.In post 163, Flare Fluff wrote:
How is Shadow locktown when me, 2 Rogues, DkKoba, and Black have not voted Shadow?In post 162, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
Shadow is locktown for me rn because scum would absolutely not bus their partner before they even show up to the game lmao.In post 160, Flare Fluff wrote:
It looks like you are basing your reads on wagon analysis which is not helpful for reads and it's better to look at the content of the posts. Are you town reading Shadow and Ausuka since you said you suspected there could have been scum on their wagon?In post 155, HighPrincessErinys wrote: It's possible albeit improbable that scum split themselves up, with one being on Shadow while that was hot and another going onto Ausuka. More likely however is one in six is scum and the outlier is in Flare Fluff or the Rogues.
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In post 165, Roden wrote: Shaddow had a total of two votes lolIn post 66, Ausuka wrote:
No let her cookIn post 62, Black wrote: That's an even bigger stretch :lol:
VOTE: shaddowez
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In post 166, Roden wrote: Black never voted Shaddow...In post 154, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
The pool of shadow and or Ausuka voters is, Roden, tris, HPE, Black, Ausuka, DkKoba, 6/9 slots in the game. Roden and tris had nothing to do with the Ausuka wagon,In post 152, HighPrincessErinys wrote: Because yeah to be fair E-2 is only 3 votes, there's not many people here, but that also means the odds of one of our two scum being part of that 3 is pretty good., with DkKoba being apparently willing to lolhammer shadow and voting for Ausuka, and Ausuka voting for Shadow. This is kind of a clusterfuck but its a start.and me and Black had nothing to do with the Shadow wagon
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Scum probably aren't going to take the risk when it barely benefits them anyway. It's not impossible that an RVS wagon flips just as it's not impossible that they'll do it, but they are similarly bothIn post 171, tris wrote: why are you so sure mafia wouldn't do that. its not like and rvs wagon is actually going to eliminate someoneimprobable. The only thing it really counters is exactly what this one is doing, but even then there's much better ways to open the game than "put my partner at E-2 for a bit at the start and pray nobody lolhammers just so nobody tries to analyze the RVS wagons like a dumbass". What this one is trying to say is that scum aren't likely to try this kinda stuff when they're in a position of absolute safety like RVS, just to counter analysis of votes and wagons that are, by their nature, stupid and barely readable.
The hydra slots could absolutely be scum, this one said you're the outliers of the pool that it said has exactly one scum in it, after all. This one doesn't understand what you mean by "I would be guessing the only options who he could be scum with are the other 2 hydra slots." though. Actually not sure what you're doing in general, you're hypothesizing scum!Shadow which this one believes to be extremely unlikely. Assuming that scum NEVER vote for their partner in RVS here, scum!Shadow could be aligned with me, Black, Koba (big maybe), you or the Rogues.In post 174, Flare Fluff wrote:
I'm trying to look through your pov and if I was in your pov figuring out Shadow's alignment and if he is scum, I would be guessing the only options who he could be scum with are the other 2 hydra slots.In post 164, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
This one is townreading Black, Koba said they'd hammer Shadow, and if both scum are in the hydrae this one will be forced to scream.In post 163, Flare Fluff wrote:
How is Shadow locktown when me, 2 Rogues, DkKoba, and Black have not voted Shadow?In post 162, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
Shadow is locktown for me rn because scum would absolutely not bus their partner before they even show up to the game lmao.In post 160, Flare Fluff wrote:
It looks like you are basing your reads on wagon analysis which is not helpful for reads and it's better to look at the content of the posts. Are you town reading Shadow and Ausuka since you said you suspected there could have been scum on their wagon?In post 155, HighPrincessErinys wrote: It's possible albeit improbable that scum split themselves up, with one being on Shadow while that was hot and another going onto Ausuka. More likely however is one in six is scum and the outlier is in Flare Fluff or the Rogues.
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How are you clearing the 2 hydra slots on not being paired with Shadow?
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projection as argument..........................In post 181, tris wrote: me i would. but maybe others would be more hesitant-
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ZERO solidarity on these mfs. True mafia never vote their pal needlessly..................-
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anyway if you'll excuse me its time to do a bunch of situps and go out into the freezing snowing tundra-
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this one smells opportunist-
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Your fault for having a bad read, thoIn post 212, Two Level 1 Rogues wrote:
Not my fault Black and Roden decided to also scumread you after you were being scummy.In post 210, HighPrincessErinys wrote: this one smells opportunist-
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WhatIn post 215, Two Level 1 Rogues wrote:
Okay then what towny thing did ypu do this game?In post 213, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
Your fault for having a bad read, thoIn post 212, Two Level 1 Rogues wrote:
Not my fault Black and Roden decided to also scumread you after you were being scummy.In post 210, HighPrincessErinys wrote: this one smells opportunistscummything did this one do this game?-
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Because sure, even to me, rambling about a couple of RVS wagons isn't jackshit, but ding-ding-ding it isn'tjackshit. You better seriously fuckingnotbe getting on my ass for not liking the idea of flipping super early.-
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yeah hey who is "he" hereIn post 226, Black wrote: I think HPE's reactions and responses to his wagon feel fine. There's a sense of entitlement in his read regarding the e-2 stuff and it makes me think he actually believes what he's saying-
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Hey, it's gamestate advancement.In post 225, Two Level 1 Rogues wrote: I feel like wagon analysis is helpful, as it can lead to figuring out motivations to posting which can lead to spotting slip ups. Granted it does seem to be more helpful later on once we have flips.-
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It's a terrifying implication as to the ability of town if they let it happen and pass D1 by with no info but a probable greenflip gained.In post 238, shaddowez wrote: I realize you talked with Black about this a little bit, but can you elaborate on your word choice here? Getting absolutely no information based on the quick day (outside of my flip) is one thing, but I don't see that as "Terrifying".-
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lockscumIn post 264, Roden wrote:
I don't think it's town. It's claiming to be wary of quick hammers and flash wagons, but it didn't want to vote Shaddow even after the momentum there lulled. Withdrawing it's vote from Ausuka's wagon as well when it gained momentum makes me think it either only cares about appearances in case of a town flip, or is wary protecting a partner from an early elim. Either way, I don't see the town motivation for it.In post 256, Two Level 1 Rogues wrote:
@RodenIn post 209, Two Level 1 Rogues wrote:
That's a weird question to ask right after your interaction with HPE. Do you have any thoughts of its alignment?In post 133, Roden wrote: Would you like to join me on Shaddow in the mean time at least?-
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In post 272, Roden wrote: Simply saying "lockscum" is kinda wild though since you openly said your vote on me was just OMGUSJesus christ...Reads change.-
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There is just no way you believe a word of this. Are you even PRETENDING to have a real read on me at this point? How is not wanting to vote Shadow after his wagon stopped contradictory to being wary of quickhammers? Why is this even a point?? This one didn't care to vote Shadow in the first place let alone after his wagon's 'momentum' stopped. It's say MORE than a few times why it townreads him, infact. My participation on Ausuka's wagon was pure RVS and when a wagon it didn't believe in got in hammer distance it took the reasonable approach of stepping the fuck off so it can insteadIn post 264, Roden wrote:
I don't think it's town. It's claiming to be wary of quick hammers and flash wagons, but it didn't want to vote Shaddow even after the momentum there lulled. Withdrawing it's vote from Ausuka's wagon as well when it gained momentum makes me think it either only cares about appearances in case of a town flip, or is wary protecting a partner from an early elim. Either way, I don't see the town motivation for it.In post 256, Two Level 1 Rogues wrote:
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That's a weird question to ask right after your interaction with HPE. Do you have any thoughts of its alignment?In post 133, Roden wrote: Would you like to join me on Shaddow in the mean time at least?readAusuka and make an informed decision to vote her later when it hadinfo. And if you can't see the town motivation for not wanting stupid earlygame lolwagons go through... yikes.
In post 264, Roden wrote: Withdrawing it's vote from Ausuka's wagon as well when it gained momentum makes me think it either only cares about appearances in case of a town flip, or is wary protecting a partner from an early elim.
As an aside, it's also really insulting that you think scum!me is some fucking scum amateur that unvotes people because uwaa scawy association with a town flip :(((
Scum have to get their hands dirty, asshole.-
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You're making extremely obnoxious posts and disingenuous points, this one doesn't care.In post 278, Roden wrote: Yeah I don't appreciate this unnecessary aggression, dial it back or permanently fuck off-
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If you can't handle your shitpush being called out, find someone else to do it to.-
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This one isn't calling you an asshole for scumreading it, it's calling you an asshole for saying blatantly bad faith and obtuse things.In post 281, Roden wrote: Calling me an asshole for scum reading you is not ok and I don't know what makes you think that would be-
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You're the only one being led by emotions here.In post 283, Roden wrote: I think you're salty scum that's mad you got caught and now you're hoping you can AtE your way out of it
I will not be bullied out of scum reading people this game, especially after scumjustdid that to me in a recently completed mini and historically have tried to do so-
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Not really, it's kind of part of the plan, but you can still call them assholes for it.In post 284, Ausuka wrote: Is it morally wrong for scum to be deliberately obtuse?-
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Let's simmer down, then. All my vexation aside Roden slot is still obvscum and there's no shot in hell 264 is made by town.
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In the dystopian hypothetical world of town!Roden he was absolutely exaggerating and stretching a bit for some unknown reason.In post 291, Black wrote: It feels like Roden was overjustifying his scumread on HPE a little-
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The 1v1 of a direly misplaced scumread. You hate to see it.In post 293, Black wrote: I think town!Roden could try something like that to win the 1v1 I suppose-
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Also speaking of Smuggler's Port, Roden's ISO in that game feelsalotdifferent, it has to say.-
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Koba would you like to help flip scum-
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oh yeah. yoing-
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Would you like to address your predecessor's wacky ass reads?In post 311, MargotRosa wrote: Heyo friends, let's do this-
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scumreads me too... L!In post 319, MargotRosa wrote: Ok, initial thoughts are that the solve is in Black or HPE (one of the two, not both), TL1R and Shadow.
Ausuka is easy Town Lock and Koba's play seems too natural to me. It's been a while, and I'm rusty as hell with a bad streak thus far in the return, so take it all with a grain of salt, and I'll do another reread later today-
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TRUEEEEEEEEIn post 323, Black wrote:
I don't like how preemptive this feels. Why do you always scumread replacements?In post 321, Flare Fluff wrote: I always scum read replacements and once when Margot is done with her catchup and reads list I'm probably going to scum read her too.
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includes ausuka rvs vote and also doesnt mention the fact that she includes pretty decent reasons for changing votesIn post 344, Flare Fluff wrote:In post 337, Flare Fluff wrote:In post 329, Black wrote: It feels like they are positioning themselves to hop on the Roden/Margot wagonthat some roden wagon...
but agree with A about ausuka
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In post 16, Black wrote:VOTE: AusukaIn post 127, Black wrote:VOTE: HPEIn post 226, Black wrote: I think HPE's reactions and responses to his wagon feel fine. There's a sense of entitlement in his read regarding the e-2 stuff and it makes me think he actually believes what he's saying
VOTE: Roden
His vote and subsequent conversation with HPE felt more opportunistic than the Rogue's
ok lmao with black! seriously!In post 329, Black wrote: VOTE: Flare Fluff
It feels like they are positioning themselves to hop on the Roden/Margot wagon
Plus I kinda wanna let Margot cook
you have been voting on off, on wagons Xd while accusing A, of doing this! A chan, on the other hand is voting someone she suspects.
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And like. This slot has to be cursed these are still terrible arguments against me. Jumpy?? Roden called me concerned about appearances too, when this one couldn't care less about them especially now that it has a laser lock on a scum slot.In post 347, MargotRosa wrote:
I'm more saying that I think it could be one or the other, but not both, as one of my potential solves (not that it's definitely one of the two).In post 325, Flare Fluff wrote:
About your initial thought, why did you think a solve is in Black or HPE? By Ausuka being a town lock, are you saying you normally find it easy to town lock Ausuka or are you town locking Ausuka in this game?In post 319, MargotRosa wrote: Ok, initial thoughts are that the solve is in Black or HPE (one of the two, not both), TL1R and Shadow.
Ausuka is easy Town Lock and Koba's play seems too natural to me. It's been a while, and I'm rusty as hell with a bad streak thus far in the return, so take it all with a grain of salt, and I'll do another reread later today
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It was an initial impulse born honestly more from a gut read of their exchange pages 6 and 7:
HPE's posting here felt incredibly jumpy, and more concerned with not appearing to be pegged as a wagoner early on, as opposed to someone trying to engage in scum hunting. Black's responses, on the other hand, I can easily see as post hoc justification for the HPE vote which happened here: 127. I don't believe the exchange basically, but I also don't think that this is SvS, which means only one, if any, can be scum.In post 150, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
Honestly? One scum on that wagon with the plausible deniability of RVS is likely, yes. Ausuka's too, perhaps.In post 142, Black wrote:
Do you think scum was pushing the shadow wagon?In post 139, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
That's a lesser concern compared to a painfully early shot in the dark funny ass flashwagon being basically devoid of info other than "well why did you guys flip them so early" to which everyone shrugs and says "shitpost". NO VCA, NO post-flip recontextualization of interactions, NO seeing who die hard townread the scum flip, nunna that. The longer a day goes, the better it is for town (in the long run atleast).In post 138, Black wrote:
What are you terrified of exactly? Scum getting a quick misfade on someone?In post 136, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
Not sure what non-criticality you're reading from "completely and utterly terrifying"In post 135, Black wrote:
I'm curious why you didn't say this in 87In post 131, HighPrincessErinys wrote:cause a flip this early is a terrible idea lol
It feels more like you were riding the fence in that post when I would expect someone with this belief to be more critical of the shadow wagon-
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My gut is saying Margot/Flare Fluff but this one is only really confident about Margot because there hasn't really been an improvement over Roden.-
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We have a synergy going, so what.
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Also it occurred to me in the shower that ding ding ding this fits into my initial idea of 1 scum in 6 + a hydra as scumteam.In post 351, HighPrincessErinys wrote: My gut is saying Margot/Flare Fluff but this one is only really confident about Margot because there hasn't really been an improvement over Roden.-
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