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I'll admit, I had to look that reference up. I don't think I've seen that movie for at least a decade and a half.Vi wrote:There's only one person who would give me the raspberry... LONE STARR!
d3x's vote is quite silly (as is the subsequent bandwagon). I don't see what he is getting at as being scummy behaviour from nacho. What differentiates him from just being generally antagonist toward your questioning?YOUR AD HERE
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Well, see, no. It started with an argument between d3x and nm8 and then he voted him in post 47.
Though I would agree that people (you) started to actively slide onboard after Ecto's post 61.
There a reason you got so much of that wrong considering you're in support of the wagon?YOUR AD HERE
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What?confidAnon wrote:Right now, Nacho is obviously scummy . . . but not enough so that it warrants a vote from me yet.
What?dj wrote:random votes should be the easiest votes to explain in the game of mafia. not sure why someone would avoid discussing it altogether.
I'll happily lynch you for ignoring his legitimate questions about your case.Ecto wrote:Yes I intend to ignore your questions. I have no intentions of playing that particular scum game.
How about you actually start playing the game? If not, feel free to die.pwnz wrote:Can I take the stance that you are both retarded and I hate you both? That's how I feel. *hic
Took you long enough.Vi wrote:Vote: VP Baltar(L-6)
Unvote, Vote: ConfidAnon
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It's not that he's not explaining why he finds him obviously scummy. It's that he says he's obviously scummy but doesn't vote him. Does not compute.
Unless you're fencesitting scum, of course.
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@ConfidAnon
What are your points on don johnson? That he questioned the reasoning behind your RVS vote?
Can you give me a quick bullet list of the "scummy things" you have seen from nacho?
Also, why do you say this:
Which I interpret to mean you haven't really been keeping up with their spat, while you also are speaking definitively about scummy actions from nacho? If you have only skimmed their back and forth, how can you be sure about your reads on those actions being scummy?Confid wrote:As for the requested stance on the Nacho/Ecto argument, I admit I've skimmed through the agument, I'll give it a thorough reread later when I've got a bit more time and then give my stance.YOUR AD HERE
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Um, no? If you have a legitimate reason for not liking the wagon, then express it. From where I'm sitting it doesn't look too bad and the cognitive dissonance coming from him is pretty outstanding.Vi wrote:The ConfidAnon wagon is lame and it has all three of the people I just listed as good scum candidates on it back-to-back-to-back.
This took me hours!Amished wrote:<3 u VP. Even with the awful haircut
Ecto, when you come back I'd like to hear some opinions that aren't about nm8 now that we have moved on somewhat.YOUR AD HERE
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Yeah, I mean, you followed the nacho wagon without even really understanding it and now you're far to eager to jump on ConfidAnon before he has even had a chance to explain himself. If you have nothing original to add to it, I don't see any real reason for you to be in a clamor to join the wagon, especially when your previous post said that you had JUST read him in iso and didn't see any reason to be voting him.YOUR AD HERE
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Actually, I made a very nice post addressing the holes in his response, so I don't think you should pretend like I was hanging on to a reasonless vote.Vi wrote:Before I make a decision there I would like to ask if and how post 153 changes your mind about ConfidAnon.
It's not that you or anyone was wagoning him for pressure, because you already got the answer you were looking for!
That being said, I'm happy to put my vote on Benmage for his very obvious wagoning because it's hip. I could very well be wrong about Confid (it happens), and there is plenty of attention there for now. I may as well see where this benmage suspicion leads.
That doesn't make you look better in my eyes. You are essentially saying "I didn't see the problem until other people pointed it out for me and I think it's GRRRRRRRRRRRREAAT!" It's a scum mentality of scum hunting.benmage wrote:And than i read all the voters isos, voting him for insight.
If I had seen her actually make a case for any of those people, this might hold some credence. Hell, I assumed Vi's vote on me was just part of a running gag we have about me "always" being scum.Confid wrote:She did give a reason . . . the people she thinks are scum jumped on my wagon.YOUR AD HERE
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But the problem is that the line you attack him over, the line that everyone else attacked him over, doesn't need any context to appear scummy. If you were actually scumhunting on your own, it might have stood out to you. As it is, others had to point it out before you found it scummy.benmage wrote:dur...welcome to mafia...iso reads aren't nearly as good as rereading whole thread..reading the others isos put things in perspective..how can i interpret his answers without the questions...dunt dunt daaaaah
So, yeah, vote stays.YOUR AD HERE
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yer...and then your next post just quotes people talking about that post and features you saying:Benmage wrote:
Uhhh False....Here's my post reading Con's iso before reading the iso's of those voting him:VP Baltar wrote:
But the problem is that the line you attack him over, the line that everyone else attacked him over, doesn't need any context to appear scummy. If you were actually scumhunting on your own, it might have stood out to you. As it is, others had to point it out before you found it scummy.benmage wrote:dur...welcome to mafia...iso reads aren't nearly as good as rereading whole thread..reading the others isos put things in perspective..how can i interpret his answers without the questions...dunt dunt daaaaah
So, yeah, vote stays.
Benmage wrote:I read Con in iso...nothing really stuck out for me as too terrible...why's he have so many votes?
One thing that struck me as peculiar was him saying nacho is more scummy town..than scummy scum...whats the difference there...??
As if you hadn't realized it before.benmage wrote:Oooo tis a good point.
If you saw it before, as you are claiming, what happened between that post and your voting post to make you think the wagon was now voteworthy? As far as I can tell, it was simply the fact that others were voting there.YOUR AD HERE
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I'm quite surprised at how confused the site has generally been me switching my gender icon. Interesting sociological experiment. Anyhow, I may have a penis and just switched it for another game I am currently in.Porkchop wrote:After playing in a couple of games together, I am just learning that VP is a woman. This does not bode well for my attention to detail.
In other news, I'm on the side of generally not buying Amished's third party reasoning. Seems a weird thing to bring up from a town perspective and his reasoning for arriving at that conclusion sounds a little forced.
Confid and don need to start discussing players that aren't confid and don, imo.
Oh well:
F you too lady. -__-Vi wrote:d_j needs to come out of his own little world and say something about just about anyone except ConfidAnon.
Similarly, ConfidAnon needs to come off d_j and join the rest of the people bickering. The only people you've voted for are each other, essentially for a single post on Page 2.
Aaaand, caught up for now. Peace out all.YOUR AD HERE
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I know it's sour grapes to get knocked out of a game early, but dj's right about it being unlikely for scum to daykill like that. Not saying he gets a free pass or anything, but doesn't seem like a scum move to me.Vi wrote:VP Baltar's response doesn't do anything for me but solidify my previous read. Please kill him and add another scum game to his collection.YOUR AD HERE
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Because if he's scum, it's an excessive amount of heat on him Day 1. If I was scum and had a daykill, I would certainly save it for later in the game when it is going to do the most damage and work in my favor.Vi wrote:I don't follow why you're saying scum wouldn't do that.
Shooting someone day 1 for little reasoning isn't sound strategy.
Why do you seem to be speaking with increasing certainty that there is a third party? I'm really trying to understand how you are coming to this conclusion if you are town.Amsihed wrote:If the third party is an SK (typical 3rd party; and given flavor, not unreasonable), why would they decide to go after scum if the town will be likely to look for them during the day and try to lynch them? If we can out them and kill them, we prevent one anti-town kill per night, extending the game and gives the scum more of a chance to screw up and get them lynched.
Self-preservation should never be at the heart of your scum hunting and shows your mentality in this game.benmage wrote:And i havent shot dj, which shows some damn restraint. He might be town, as vi believes as well...but sometimes they gots to go for the greater good especially since well he wants me lynched (a bad move as i am town) and more over is willing to kill me (2nd shot attempt, and will undoubtedly try this again tomorrow)... So logically he should be lynched or shot, in just a self preservation manner, no? Not to mention I also believe it beneficial to the town...why me die, when a ?? can die.
So you think ben is scummy and would like to lynch him but think his "VP's not playing to meta" ambiguity is good?Amished wrote:Ben, wanna toss up that VP meta case?
Unfortunately, I'm agreeing with Ben's vote; VP's activity this game (content, not necessarily number of posts) is awful (both in content and driving the game forward).
And thanks for bruising my ego...sheeesh.
You were? I didn't get that vibe at all, just that you were wildly speculating about third parties.Amished wrote:Lately I was testing the waters to see if I could get support for a d3x lynch
^obv obv town.Sotty wrote:I'm not liking the meta case on VP basically because it is non existent at this point. Post some substance on it soon please. With this in mind Amished vote on him looks pretty bad, there doesn't seem to be a reason behind it.
I have never heard such a vague and weakass case in all my time on this site. Your assessments of my posts don't even say anything of substance. You don't explain why you think any of the posts are bad, you are simply either providing IIoA or you give a backhanded comments like "poor explanation"...well what does that mean really? what is poor about it? Who knows, but it's certainly poor.benmage wrote:So real quick conclusion. Her overall play is just really poor. Its reminiscent of a coaster style which just isn’t what I’m use to from VPB when shes town. Lots of fluff and useless posts which isn’t character-like of her at all. She’s usually quite good if not much better than this. Mafia 98, ongoing game. This games play is somewhat close to Mafia 91 where she lurked/played bad and was scum.
Also, your assessment of Mafia 91 is clearly biased. I did not lurk at all that game, nor did I "play bad". As far as I recall, most people thought I was town in that game and I simply got busted by a Vi investigation. I encourage anyone to look at that game and see how much crap you are pulling out of your ass.
Yeah, except I explained with valid reasons why your votes this game have stunk to high heaven. I'm not comfortable being on a wagon like that. After your shady ass vote, I am much more inclined to believe that I was wrong about Confid and not about you.ben wrote:She defends the points against ConA and the wagon on it, yet questions me for joining the wagon on the same point…and also for attempting to achieve what I can assume a similar thing she desired from ConA…that is the point I quoted from iso 14….i wanted more from ConA on his comment, and his distancing from the whole thing was why I added my added pressure…something apparently VPB didn’t like…was this a Bus turned Chainsaw? Stay tuned to find out.
Also, I really hope you are serious about this bus turned chainsaw argument, go go gadget mega-reach.
What was good about it exactly? What specifically do you agree with from it? What do you think of his meta arguments?Amished wrote:/me is speechless
I think that's the best post I've ever seen you make, Ben.
lol, that's some pretty great logic there. Let's start shooting because if there is a cop he/she is in heightened danger of drawing a NK. It really isn't much of a wonder dj took a shot at you this game because you have not been making much sense from the get go.Vi wrote:While there is a decent possibility for there to exist a Cop in this setup given the flavor, the number of places left to look for one is getting smaller considering there have been two claims so far, so that Cop is already in heightened danger.
Ok, the next person who pushes randomly shooting people is guaranteed scum.Amished wrote:So, who else is up for lynching VP here and now (or just shooting him and being done with it?)
ugh...what was compelling about it?Porkchop wrote:Your PBPA post is actually quite compelling Benmage. I'm not sure it clears you entirely, but it's a solid case that shows you aren't just an opportunistic voter.
I really feel like this wagon on me isn't just coincidently springing up on me now that I'm V/LA. Something to think about folks. And if it is really going to come to the point where you guys think you want to shoot me (I really hope you play better than this), give me at least a chance to respond to my accusers since it might take me a day or two if I'm not around. Don't play so rashly if you're town.
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EBWOP: Sorry, wagon is the wrong term above. I would say swelling of discontent with my play.
Also, the crux of this argument somewhat seems to be "why isn't VP Baltar leading the town to victory"....well, that's not really an argument for me being scum.
Plus, benmage is scum...trust me folks.YOUR AD HERE
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It's called a joke. However, I do have a town read on her. Her play here is consistent with Sotty-town.Vi wrote:Why is Sotty obv obv Town? For defending you...?
Well, I'd hope there's a difference. I was scum in that game and I'm town here.Vi wrote:I'll grant that you weren't playing poorly in that game. And you were quite likable too
But there's quite a bit of a difference between there (and here) and, say, Mafia of Order
Also, Mafia of Order is a unique situation where I was actually the only townsperson alive who was playing the game. Plus the scum were being so frakking obvious it was hurting my head to even look at that game and not see them getting lynched. As I stated in that game, mafia is a game about teams and no one person should have to do all of the leg work to find the scum. I'm not about to go through that experience again.
What are your feelings on benmage, Vi? Why do you think my vote on him is for weak reasons? Do you think the points I made are inaccurate?
Yeah, and you're creating a false dilemma that it is you or him because you are focused on your own self preservation.benmage wrote:Theres more to it than self-preservation, its a known town(for me) vs an unknown...its an easy decision
And the vague attacks continue. It's really a quite genius MO when one thinks about it because it gives me nothing to defend against.benmage wrote: Theres not much to spell out..you dont provide anything of substance or real information thats why they are poor. You havent scum hunted.
You haven't scum hunted. Well, shit, yes I have. There is quite a good wagon on you at the moment due to my scum hunting. I don't know why people are not following through, but horses and water and all that good stuff.
Also, ben, I don't know why you are now trying to back off of this meta argument you made. It is indeed the crux of your attack because you are saying my play here is not consistent with the play you "know". If you are going to say that and make the argument that I'm "coasting" this game as scum, then you need to point out how that is different from games you know me in and know my alignment. Mafia 91 does not fit your bill in the least.
Let's for the sake of argument accept your attack of me coasting this game as being legitimate (which it's not). How is this absolutely indicative of me being scum? How do you know I would never coast as town? Do you think I am coasting the most out of everyone in this game? If not, why do you think my coasting makes me more likely to be scum than those other players?
You see how this whole argument hinges on meta now? You're making the argument that if VP Baltar isn't running the show, he's not town and that's utterly ridiculous.YOUR AD HERE
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Ben, do you think I have been avoiding commenting on people? Are my opinions on players not clear? If so, who would you like my opinion on exactly?
Also,
These aren't rhetorical questions.VP Baltar wrote:Let's for the sake of argument accept your attack of me coasting this game as being legitimate (which it's not). How is this absolutely indicative of me being scum? How do you know I would never coast as town? Do you think I am coasting the most out of everyone in this game? If not, why do you think my coasting makes me more likely to be scum than those other players?YOUR AD HERE
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wtf do you mean explain? Her play is consistent with my personal town meta of her. I have a decent amount of experience with Sotty and consider myself a decent judge of her play.Benmage wrote:
How? Explain? or is this a reverse meta usage. (more buddying?).VP Baltar wrote:
It's called a joke. However, I do have a town read on her. Her play here is consistent with Sotty-town.Vi wrote:Why is Sotty obv obv Town? For defending you...?YOUR AD HERE
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No, not at all. If you attack someone over meta, then the onus is on you to show the disparity. If I say I have a town read on someone over meta, I don't have any requirement to explain myself and reveal said meta. The reason being that if you are trying to get someone lynched, you are going to have to convince other people and will obviously have to tip your hand. I'm not trying to convince you of my town read. You're welcome to have a different interpretation of Sotty's play, but from my perspective she's town.ben wrote:So this is what...a reverse of what i said about you right?
re: post 360- I want everyone to take a good look at ben's responses to these questions, as it is very telling of his mentality and the "case" he is presenting.
First he says he doesn't even know if I haven't been commenting on people and that he doesn't care if I am or not. Well that is funny considering that his main argument is that I'm "coasting". If I'm coasting, then I must not be taking stance in the game, correct? Isn't that what active lurkers do, avoid taking stances and merely "look busy"? However, ben doesn't even know if I am nor does he care. So, already he is showing that he doesn't even have a clear understanding of the accusation he is making.
Second, he continually acts as if I never stated a reason for voting him. This is also false.
After I said that, I also punched a bunch of holes in his alleged iso read of Confid that led him to a vote. It's all there in the thread for anyone who is interested, which ben is clearly not.VP Baltar wrote:you followed the nacho wagon without even really understanding it and now you're far to eager to jump on ConfidAnon before he has even had a chance to explain himself. If you have nothing original to add to it, I don't see any real reason for you to be in a clamor to join the wagon, especially when your previous post said that you had JUST read him in iso and didn't see any reason to be voting him.
Third, after I showed that ben's argument really does have its roots in meta, I asked him how he knows I would never "coast" as town. His response:
So, it doesn't matter if I'm town, but we should lynch me anyway. THIS IS NOT A TOWN MENTALITY.ben wrote:It doesnt matter. Coasting is scummy. I dont care if you act scummy as town, all the more reason to lynch you.
Fourth, he ignores the most important question of if he thinks I am "coasting" the most out of everyone in this game and if not, what makes me scummy for it as opposed to other potential coasters. This is a crucial question if this is really the case he wants to present. If "coasting is scummy", as ben puts it, then what makes VP Baltar more likely to be scum than a player like, say, pwnz, who it could be very easily argued has "coasted" a great deal more than myself?
It is quite funny that these questions that poke holes in ben's argument are nothing more than "fluff" to him. Keep pushing that rock, bud.YOUR AD HERE
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I have some other stuff to comment on here sometime today, but I had a major realization this morning about Amished. I don't have plans to reveal it at this time, but I'll just say that I'm not down for his lynch. I can see where people are coming from, but I think it's the wrong course of action at the moment. I also used my current reads for some personal PoE and I've come to the conclusion that we need to be lynching in the following group to hit scum:
benmage
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Out of those, benmage is still my top pick, but I would definitely back an ectomancer lynch if there is interest. Yeah yeah, what's the case you say. I'll get to that today hopefully (after I catch up in yet another game I'm seriously behind in), but just thought I would put those thoughts out there for now.
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Still very much V/LA and don't have much time, but
All I am really asking for is for people to at least give me a chance to come back from V/LA and get fully caught up. I think it is completely ridiculous that people are even considering killing someone on V/LA for not contributing enough. Additionally, the game started a whole 5 days before I had to start traveling....I mean, give me a break. I don't see how anyone could not see this line of thought as being scum driven.Vi wrote:With that said, meta itself can make up a case.
In addition, while "lazy Townies" coast, they're also the ones that hurt less if mislynched.
As far as the nightless goes, I'm against it for now. I would rather lynch now on day 1 and see what happens over night. I realize it could be bad for us, but I'd rather roll the dice early in the game than later so we can size up what we're dealing with.YOUR AD HERE
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Yeah, I mean, I have to assume town has some kind of powerroles out there and I'd like to let them work their magic for at least one night before we decide to go nightless. Might work in our favor.ben wrote:Thats true...i think i hinted at this earlier o.O? I was for this…but now I don’t know. I guess I am for it… lotta wifom. If I were scum I’d obviously kill Con. But maybe they’re worried of night protection…JK would fit this flavor well…
Which, like I said, was five days including at least a day of RVS. It's a touch silly, but that's your opinion I guess.ben wrote:Noones talking about the V/LA period....talking about what occurred before you went V/LA.
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And here we are. What I really don't understand is your rational there. Vi had freaking claimed after she thought she was dying, so there was really no reason not to believe her (at least at that point). I also really don't like how you are instantly deflecting towards others now that she flipped.ecto wrote:Umm yeah. VP calling me scumbag. I think we'll wait for the results k thx.
Did your growing wagon have anything to do with you shooting perchance?
Also, can you link me a game you were in where Vi was town, please.
You do realize this game generally works best when players make cases and convince others it is a good case. If the "case" you presented on Vi was as comprehensive as you claim it to be, why wouldn't you just post it and get her lynched? Nothing you have said accurately explains WHY it was necessary to shoot her.ecto wrote:Why would I reveal my case to Vi until I had enough of one to lynch? I'm not trying to alter Vi's behaviour, which is what you do when you don't like what someone is doing.
^Fearmongering....why the frak are people not lynching ecto?ecto wrote:Well he already shot twice and is out of bullets (at least for today), so he certainly cant shoot you. Your vote is somewhere else, so you don't look to be lynching him. What are you going to do? Wait until tomorrow when he could get another bullet to shoot you? If you don't care about the reveal, then why wait, especially if you are concerned that it could take us to night?
What I'm saying is your actions don't seem to match your convictions, and by waiting you're just gauging the town's reactions to your statement to Don. So either you meant it, and were just taunting Don when you could have waited (what purpose did that serve if his response didnt matter?) So...I can only assume you said it to decide whether town would approve or not. Why do you care? If he's scum, shoot him!
Really? What was thought provoking about it?don wrote:ecto has posted some thought provoking material recently and has also taken a position regarding vi(by shooting). this reads as possible town to me.
It isn't sidestepping the issue at all, because that is the exact accusation that is being made--that I'm somehow not living up to some perceived awesomeness I have as town (which probably isn't true in the first place) and therefore I'm scum. Like I said, I had something like five days in this game before I went V/LA....it's a ridiculous point to be making.porkchop wrote:@VP: In my opinion, Benmage has made a valid point that you aren’t playing as committed a game as expected from TownVP. It has nothing to do with an absence of posting lately, and everything to do with what you have contributed thus far. To portray this as being a case of “VP isn’t doing our work for us” is completely sidestepping the issue. Sorry if it is frustrating, but the quality of your play (here and elsewhere) is responsible.
Why are you laying it aside? Seems fairly relevant to me.porkchop wrote:What I find compelling (enough to unvote him since he demonstrated some pro-town play there, though subsequent posts have been a little disheartening) about Ben’s PBPA is that he’s identified you as attacking him for something that you yourself are guilty of. Laying aside the nm8 issue, which Bm deserved to be scrutinised for (despite what he says).
Actually, the accusation I made was that he was joining wagons for reasons he did not understand. It would be one thing for him to not express original thought, but to join them and not actually understand WHY people are voting on that wagon is very scummy. It is not the same accusation he levelled against me in the least.porkchop wrote:Your initial argument is that he joins wagons without original thought (which is an accusation that can be levelled against you in regards to Confid).
Hmmm....what do you make of my vote on Ecto and calling him a scumbag?porkchop wrote:What do you make of Ecto’s shooting?
I can't make heads or tails of this. So, you think he made a good case, but his claim is enough to kill him on? wtf. Also, this is well before Vi's alignment has been revealed. If you thought it was a case you at least weren't against (which is horribly vague), then why would you not want to see Vi's alignment first?Porkchop wrote:I’m thinking it might be a good idea to shoot, or lynch, Ecto at this point. I’m not against his case on Vi but his claim is a little troubling. I have a feeling that if scum can daykill they wouldn’t be bad shots and his claim could be cover for that.
play better if you're town...seriously. Your critical thinking skills this game are very dismal.ben wrote:And the comments towards VPB are dead on.
@Porkchop-who the hell do you think is scum? I haven't seen much of anything from you that couldn't be considered poking and prodding from the sidelines. I have been holding back on you for a bit because I know you're a good town player, but posts like 468 seem to come up frequently from you this game.
And what have you learned now?Confid wrote:Vi's flip should be interesting, but it makes me pretty ticked seeing as I revealed myself only to have her shot again.
You realize this has no bearing on your alignment, right?ecto wrote:Soldier bitch.
^More fearmongering and encouraging others to shoot.ecto wrote:Don also shot at a town Vi. I think he did it for much the same type of meta reasons that I did. Ben, you said you were going to shoot him regardless. What are you going to do now?
Reasoning? Also, who were you voting? I don't see you on the votecount last page.ecto wrote:Going to unvote for awhile.
Ok, fully caught up and definitely think my scum list is very much correct. Ecto goes first.
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No, it's not actually. I want you to elaborate because I very much disagree with your assessment of it. Tell me specifically which points he made that you felt were "thought provoking".dj wrote:vp: don't be an ass. that quote was from three pages ago. i referenced ecto's quote before that post. your question is stupid. his post was good and "thought provoking". asking "what is thought provoking about it?" is like me saying the sky is blue, and you saying, "what is blue about it?"YOUR AD HERE
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Don't be intentionally dense, you know I mean a game where Vi was town and you were there too. I don't need scum game because I have a very specific point I am researching. Please link your most recent game together where she was town in your next post. Thanks.Ecto wrote:I'm sure you can find a game where Vi is town. Did you mean the one where Vi is town and I'm playing too? Or what? If so, why wouldn't you also want the ones where Vi is scum since a comprehensive meta would be what you want?
No, I'm not "demanding" any such thing. I'm saying if you had some giant case (which was based on posts before you shot her, then why wouldn't you post it and get the lynch? There was no need to 'feed out more rope' if she had already made enough actions for you to think you had a solid case on her.ecto wrote:What you are demanding is that you instantly leap on anyone doing anything suspicious the very instant they do it. Play your own game of mafia. I'm going to feed them the rope and then hang them with it once it gets long enough and not before.
Bull. It's called trying to start a gun fight so other town players will die before you get lynched.ecto wrote:Fearmongering? I believe its called holding people to their stated convictions.
Well, you know, she did claim on her (first) deathbed. It's called being able to read motivations, which you are either completely incapable of or are scum. I'm sticking with the latter.ecto wrote:For me, VP looks way to much like he knew Vi was town before he flipped.
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I think you should wisen up by letting up with your confirmation bias you have against me and actually do some scumhunting. I'm back from V/LA now, so you're argument that I'm not contributing isn't really holding up anymore.ben wrote:But you sit as most scummy to me...so how should i wisen up? Not go after my #1 suspect...?? I am gauging the people not voting, asking who they think is most suspicious, while also asking about you, my top suspect.
Why do you say his case was "ok" when you claimed to have a major town read on Vi? Why are you not feeling him as scum when he shot your major town read who had claimed town after she thought she was going to die? It just doesn't make sense.
When ecto flips scum, I will be happy to lynch him for his blind agreement with the horrible cases ecto is putting forth. I gave him town points early for the original shot on Vi, but he's lost his credibility with me since then.ben wrote:What are your thoughts on DJ?
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What? How the frak is me saying I think don is town for shooting making excuses for Vi when she turns up town. ENGLISH PLEASE.ecto wrote:I see nothing in there but early excuses for when Vi turns up town.
Again, I don't see how me not OMGUSing Vi when she attacked me is indicative of me "knowing" Vi is town as opposed to simply having a read that was semi-townish. You're just quoting things and going "see, that supports my point" when it doesn't make any sort of logical sense.ecto wrote:Basically VP goes through the entire game without ever challenging Vi, even though Vi took a poke or two in VP's direction.
I'm not puffing up anything and you have absolutely no reason to not provide a link to a game. Unless of course you have something to hide, which you likely do.ecto wrote:VP, you can use a search function as well as I can. I don't know who you are puffing up towards to demand information "in my next post" you can find yourself. I might get around to it when I get a chance.
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Yes, actually you very much seem to be. You can't accuse me of cherry picking games when I'm expressly allowing YOU to choose the game I look at. I have a very specific point to make and by allowing you to pick the game, I will show that it's not me just being selective.ecto wrote:Oh yes, I'm totally hiding the fact that I've played many games with Vi as many different role configurations between the two of us.
That being said, you can't provide a link to a game that is over a year old and expect me to use that as meta.
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@ benmage- I would still like you to look at the timeline you are accusing me of not actively participating over. I had no more than five days before I left for my vacation. How much time during that period do you think I had for pouring over MS threads, especially one that had just started? Like I said before, stop being biased about this issue and actually think about it. Your reasoning sucks and the more you cling to it, the more I am assured that you are scum with ecto.YOUR AD HERE
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Since you seemed to have missed this the first time, dear.VP Baltar wrote:
What? How the frak is me saying I think don is town for shooting making excuses for Vi when she turns up town. ENGLISH PLEASE.ecto wrote:I see nothing in there but early excuses for when Vi turns up town.
Again, I don't see how me not OMGUSing Vi when she attacked me is indicative of me "knowing" Vi is town as opposed to simply having a read that was semi-townish. You're just quoting things and going "see, that supports my point" when it doesn't make any sort of logical sense.ecto wrote:Basically VP goes through the entire game without ever challenging Vi, even though Vi took a poke or two in VP's direction.-
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Explain to me better the points I quoted because I honestly do not understand the arguments you are making. HOW does me saying don shooting Vi looked townish on him relate to my thoughts about Vi? HOW does me not OMGUSing Vi mean that I KNEW she was town? You're not being clear at all HOW the quotes support your argument, that's the crucial point you are missing. You're leaving huge gaps that you expect people to fill in with their imaginations, which is indeed not how this game is played.
And just because Vi claimed to be acting scummy does not mean everyone would have a scum read on her. Ben claimed to have a town read on her, do you think he "knew" she would flip town before you shot her?YOUR AD HERE
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And again, they are not related. I wasn't making a value judgement on Don's actions one way or the other. I made a judgement of hisecto wrote:Nice twist there. I don't read you as calling Don town, I see you immediately launch into a defense of Don's actions, never wondering whether Vi might actually be scum. If his move was townish, somewhere in there you must consider that Don might be right, but you never do.motivation, which I believed at the time would have been more likely to come from town. You're still not making a clear correrlation of how that has anything to do with Vi's alignment.
L-O-L....so you are suggesting that a scum would never attack a townie because "in the long run" the town player would be revealed to be town. Have you played mafia before? If anything, scum or MORE likely to get indignant about being attacked and respond in kind than town players are. Also, how exactly does a scum player get a mislynch if they never argue with a town person for fear of being revealed later?ecto wrote:Another twist on words to call questioning Vi "omgus". You don't go after Vi because you knew not to do it. Any altercation in the long run would only reveal Vi to be town, so you didn't pursue anything and let Vi's pokes at you just slide off your back.
I can provide ample town meta of myself ignoring attacks on me if I think they are coming from another town player. I don't see any benefit of arguing with someone if I don't think they are scum and it would actually further my end of winning the game.
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Those are some keen buzz words you have there.ecto wrote:Ben claimed a town read, but I didn't see his commentary display a bias the way that yours does. In your case, I see objectivity lacking.
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I have addressed why I don't believe anything about the attack was "hypocritical" and your reply was simply "nah uh", so please keep tunneling without any sort of real argument, it's quite entertaining. It is also amusing that no matter how your arguments are refuted, you change your story. Now my activity and "level of play", which were the crux of your attack (along with meta), are now somehow irrelevant.ben wrote:The activity, and your "level of play" aside...you were hypocritical and your attack on me was down right bad, if not also opportunistic.
Oh the circles we run in...let's do something productive and lynch obv scum ecto now.
This is my point. I don't see how he is saying that I am obv scum for not attacking her, when she clearly wasn't outstandingly scummy. It's a pretty ridiculous statement on Ecto's part, which I think comes from him trying to fake his way onto the wagon you are trying to build on me.ben wrote:You guys may be misconstruing what she said also, or maybe I am. She said she thought she had been playing a scummy game....well what does that mean? Did she think he play had simply been sub-par? Was she purposely trying to play antitown?(i doubt that Vi would do this)....so...anyways, regardless she did some damn obvious town moves in my book.YOUR AD HERE
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lol, you're my hero ecto! If it weren't for you, we wouldn't have a confirmed dead townie. GJ Dude.ecto wrote: Now we have words we know for certain belong to a town member, the only one confirmed to us. My plan is to go back and read what Vi had to say in that light.YOUR AD HERE
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If the scum doesn't have nightkills, then we should definitely go to night.ecto wrote:Go ahead VP, go ahead Sotty or pwnz. Fire till you hit me twice. Let's see what goes down. Point of fact is, I'm not convinced scum is going to have nightkills and guns worth a damn.
Also, this game is not going to degenerate into an out of control shoot 'em up, no matter how badly you'd like it to. Law and order shall prevail.
One wound kills you eventually. Vi was bleeding out before she was healed.ecto wrote:Once we find out if multiple wounds kill, ya'll figure out the next target and shoot them too. Keep it from going to night as much as possible and still get information from deaths.YOUR AD HERE
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