Mini 884 - Last Man Standing (Over)

[VP Baltar]

/slightly less clever, yet still mildly amusing in a charming kind of way-ing goes here

[VP Baltar]

This is normally the part where I try to start a conversation to

ruin the RVS for everyone else

spur

the game on, but I can't think of anything offhand.

Massclaim?

Also,

Vote: pwnz

[VP Baltar]

For A Few Dollars More or The Wild Bunch for classic

Lone Star (if that counts as a western) or Deadwood (tv series, but still western) for modern.

[VP Baltar]

Lone Star is a 1996 Chris Cooper mystery set in Texas. It's a pretty great movie that deals with identity and the concept of borders (physical, emotional, racial, etc). I highly recommend it.

[VP Baltar]

There's only one person who would give me the raspberry... LONE STARR!

I'll admit, I had to look that reference up. I don't think I've seen that movie for at least a decade and a half.

d3x's vote is quite silly (as is the subsequent bandwagon). I don't see what he is getting at as being scummy behaviour from nacho. What differentiates him from just being generally antagonist toward your questioning?

[VP Baltar]

Which bandwagon VPB?

The person d3x is voting, ie nachomamma8.

[VP Baltar]

Zilla!

mega sad face

I didn't even know you were still on the site.

[VP Baltar]

Well, see, no. It started with an argument between d3x and nm8 and then he voted him in post 47.

Though I would agree that people (you) started to actively slide onboard after Ecto's post 61.

There a reason you got so much of that wrong considering you're in support of the wagon?

[VP Baltar]

You also thought post 61 was by porkchop express.

[VP Baltar]

Right now, Nacho is obviously scummy . . . but not enough so that it warrants a vote from me yet.

What?

random votes should be the easiest votes to explain in the game of mafia. not sure why someone would avoid discussing it altogether.

What?

Yes I intend to ignore your questions. I have no intentions of playing that particular scum game.

I'll happily lynch you for ignoring his legitimate questions about your case.

Can I take the stance that you are both retarded and I hate you both? That's how I feel. *hic

How about you actually start playing the game? If not, feel free to die.

Vote: VP Baltar

(L-6)

Took you long enough.

Unvote, Vote: ConfidAnon

Not voting "obv scum"....priceless.

[VP Baltar]

It's not that he's not explaining why he finds him obviously scummy. It's that he says he's obviously scummy but doesn't vote him. Does not compute.

Unless you're fencesitting scum, of course.

Mod, how about a votecount

[VP Baltar]

Sorry, forgot MM had one on the last page. nm.

[VP Baltar]

pwnz, how experienced would you say you are at mafia? When was your last game prior to this one?

[VP Baltar]

@ConfidAnon

What are your points on don johnson? That he questioned the reasoning behind your RVS vote?

Can you give me a quick bullet list of the "scummy things" you have seen from nacho?

Also, why do you say this:

As for the requested stance on the Nacho/Ecto argument, I admit I've skimmed through the agument, I'll give it a thorough reread later when I've got a bit more time and then give my stance.

Which I interpret to mean you haven't really been keeping up with their spat, while you also are speaking definitively about scummy actions from nacho? If you have only skimmed their back and forth, how can you be sure about your reads on those actions being scummy?

[VP Baltar]

The ConfidAnon wagon is lame and it has all three of the people I just listed as good scum candidates on it back-to-back-to-back.

Um, no? If you have a legitimate reason for not liking the wagon, then express it. From where I'm sitting it doesn't look too bad and the cognitive dissonance coming from him is pretty outstanding.

<3 u VP. Even with the awful haircut

This took me hours!

Ecto, when you come back I'd like to hear some opinions that aren't about nm8 now that we have moved on somewhat.

[VP Baltar]

Mod, please note the V/LA in my sig. I may still have some access, but I'm not certain

[VP Baltar]

Unvote, Vote: Benmage

[VP Baltar]

It's my new two strikes policy. You really do seem to be following wagons with no original thought whatsoever.

[VP Baltar]

Yeah, I mean, you followed the nacho wagon without even really understanding it and now you're far to eager to jump on ConfidAnon before he has even had a chance to explain himself. If you have nothing original to add to it, I don't see any real reason for you to be in a clamor to join the wagon, especially when your previous post said that you had JUST read him in iso and didn't see any reason to be voting him.

[VP Baltar]

Vi, wanna take a seat on the benmage wagon? Space is limited.

[VP Baltar]

Before I make a decision there I would like to ask if and how post 153 changes your mind about ConfidAnon.
It's not that you or anyone was wagoning him for pressure, because you already got the answer you were looking for!

Actually, I made a very nice post addressing the holes in his response, so I don't think you should pretend like I was hanging on to a reasonless vote.

That being said, I'm happy to put my vote on Benmage for his very obvious wagoning because it's hip. I could very well be wrong about Confid (it happens), and there is plenty of attention there for now. I may as well see where this benmage suspicion leads.

And than i read all the voters isos, voting him for insight.

That doesn't make you look better in my eyes. You are essentially saying "I didn't see the problem until other people pointed it out for me and I think it's GRRRRRRRRRRRREAAT!" It's a scum mentality of scum hunting.

She did give a reason . . . the people she thinks are scum jumped on my wagon.

If I had seen her actually make a case for any of those people, this might hold some credence. Hell, I assumed Vi's vote on me was just part of a running gag we have about me "always" being scum.

[VP Baltar]

dur...welcome to mafia...iso reads aren't nearly as good as rereading whole thread..reading the others isos put things in perspective..how can i interpret his answers without the questions...dunt dunt daaaaah

But the problem is that the line you attack him over, the line that everyone else attacked him over, doesn't need any context to appear scummy. If you were actually scumhunting on your own, it might have stood out to you. As it is, others had to point it out before you found it scummy.

So, yeah, vote stays.

[VP Baltar]

dur...welcome to mafia...iso reads aren't nearly as good as rereading whole thread..reading the others isos put things in perspective..how can i interpret his answers without the questions...dunt dunt daaaaah

But the problem is that the line you attack him over, the line that everyone else attacked him over, doesn't need any context to appear scummy. If you were actually scumhunting on your own, it might have stood out to you. As it is, others had to point it out before you found it scummy.

So, yeah, vote stays.

Uhhh False....Here's my post reading Con's iso before reading the iso's of those voting him:

I read Con in iso...nothing really stuck out for me as too terrible...why's he have so many votes?

One thing that struck me as peculiar was him saying nacho is more scummy town..than scummy scum

...whats the difference there...??

yer...and then your next post just quotes people talking about that post and features you saying:

Oooo tis a good point.

As if you hadn't realized it before.

If you saw it before, as you are claiming, what happened between that post and your voting post to make you think the wagon was now voteworthy? As far as I can tell, it was simply the fact that others were voting there.

[VP Baltar]

After playing in a couple of games together, I am just learning that VP is a woman. This does not bode well for my attention to detail.

I'm quite surprised at how confused the site has generally been me switching my gender icon. Interesting sociological experiment. Anyhow, I may have a penis and just switched it for another game I am currently in.



In other news, I'm on the side of generally not buying Amished's third party reasoning. Seems a weird thing to bring up from a town perspective and his reasoning for arriving at that conclusion sounds a little forced.

Confid and don need to start discussing players that aren't confid and don, imo.

Oh well:

d_j needs to come out of his own little world and say something about just about anyone except ConfidAnon.
Similarly, ConfidAnon needs to come off d_j and join the rest of the people bickering. The only people you've voted for are each other, essentially for a single post on Page 2.

F you too lady. -__-



Aaaand, caught up for now. Peace out all.

[VP Baltar]

Last words, Vi? Any info to claim?

don, reasoning please.

[VP Baltar]

You damn dirty ape.


Unfortunately, I get the feeling that dj might be town in spite of everything.

[VP Baltar]

VP Baltar's response doesn't do anything for me but solidify my previous read. Please kill him and add another scum game to his collection.

I know it's sour grapes to get knocked out of a game early, but dj's right about it being unlikely for scum to daykill like that. Not saying he gets a free pass or anything, but doesn't seem like a scum move to me.

[VP Baltar]

I don't follow why you're saying scum wouldn't do that.

Because if he's scum, it's an excessive amount of heat on him Day 1. If I was scum and had a daykill, I would certainly save it for later in the game when it is going to do the most damage and work in my favor.

Shooting someone day 1 for little reasoning isn't sound strategy.

If the third party is an SK (typical 3rd party; and given flavor, not unreasonable), why would they decide to go after scum if the town will be likely to look for them during the day and try to lynch them? If we can out them and kill them, we prevent one anti-town kill per night, extending the game and gives the scum more of a chance to screw up and get them lynched.

Why do you seem to be speaking with increasing certainty that there is a third party? I'm really trying to understand how you are coming to this conclusion if you are town.

And i havent shot dj, which shows some damn restraint. He might be town, as vi believes as well...but sometimes they gots to go for the greater good especially since well he wants me lynched (a bad move as i am town) and more over is willing to kill me (2nd shot attempt, and will undoubtedly try this again tomorrow)... So logically he should be lynched or shot, in just a self preservation manner, no? Not to mention I also believe it beneficial to the town...why me die, when a ?? can die.

Self-preservation should never be at the heart of your scum hunting and shows your mentality in this game.

Ben, wanna toss up that VP meta case?

Unfortunately, I'm agreeing with Ben's vote; VP's activity this game (content, not necessarily number of posts) is awful (both in content and driving the game forward).

So you think ben is scummy and would like to lynch him but think his "VP's not playing to meta" ambiguity is good?

And thanks for bruising my ego...sheeesh.

Lately I was testing the waters to see if I could get support for a d3x lynch

You were? I didn't get that vibe at all, just that you were wildly speculating about third parties.

I'm not liking the meta case on VP basically because it is non existent at this point. Post some substance on it soon please. With this in mind Amished vote on him looks pretty bad, there doesn't seem to be a reason behind it.

^obv obv town.

So real quick conclusion. Her overall play is just really poor. Its reminiscent of a coaster style which just isn’t what I’m use to from VPB when shes town. Lots of fluff and useless posts which isn’t character-like of her at all. She’s usually quite good if not much better than this. Mafia 98, ongoing game. This games play is somewhat close to Mafia 91 where she lurked/played bad and was scum.

I have never heard such a vague and weakass case in all my time on this site. Your assessments of my posts don't even say anything of substance. You don't explain why you think any of the posts are bad, you are simply either providing IIoA or you give a backhanded comments like "poor explanation"...well what does that mean really? what is poor about it? Who knows, but it's certainly poor.

Also, your assessment of Mafia 91 is clearly biased. I did not lurk at all that game, nor did I "play bad". As far as I recall, most people thought I was town in that game and I simply got busted by a Vi investigation. I encourage anyone to look at that game and see how much crap you are pulling out of your ass.

She defends the points against ConA and the wagon on it, yet questions me for joining the wagon on the same point…and also for attempting to achieve what I can assume a similar thing she desired from ConA…that is the point I quoted from iso 14….i wanted more from ConA on his comment, and his distancing from the whole thing was why I added my added pressure…something apparently VPB didn’t like…was this a Bus turned Chainsaw? Stay tuned to find out.

Yeah, except I explained with valid reasons why your votes this game have stunk to high heaven. I'm not comfortable being on a wagon like that. After your shady ass vote, I am much more inclined to believe that I was wrong about Confid and not about you.

Also, I really hope you are serious about this bus turned chainsaw argument, go go gadget mega-reach.

/me is speechless

I think that's the best post I've ever seen you make, Ben.

What was good about it exactly? What specifically do you agree with from it? What do you think of his meta arguments?

While there is a decent possibility for there to exist a Cop in this setup given the flavor, the number of places left to look for one is getting smaller considering there have been two claims so far, so that Cop is already in heightened danger.

lol, that's some pretty great logic there. Let's start shooting because if there is a cop he/she is in heightened danger of drawing a NK. It really isn't much of a wonder dj took a shot at you this game because you have not been making much sense from the get go.

So, who else is up for lynching VP here and now (or just shooting him and being done with it?)

Ok, the next person who pushes randomly shooting people is guaranteed scum.

Your PBPA post is actually quite compelling Benmage. I'm not sure it clears you entirely, but it's a solid case that shows you aren't just an opportunistic voter.

ugh...what was compelling about it?

I really feel like this wagon on me isn't just coincidently springing up on me now that I'm V/LA. Something to think about folks. And if it is really going to come to the point where you guys think you want to shoot me (I really hope you play better than this), give me at least a chance to respond to my accusers since it might take me a day or two if I'm not around. Don't play so rashly if you're town.

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Apologies for the mega post.

[VP Baltar]

EBWOP: Sorry, wagon is the wrong term above. I would say swelling of discontent with my play.


Also, the crux of this argument somewhat seems to be "why isn't VP Baltar leading the town to victory"....well, that's not really an argument for me being scum.


Plus, benmage is scum...trust me folks.

[VP Baltar]

Why is Sotty obv obv Town? For defending you...?

It's called a joke. However, I do have a town read on her. Her play here is consistent with Sotty-town.

I'll grant that you weren't playing poorly in that game. And you were quite likable too
But there's quite a bit of a difference between there (and here) and, say, Mafia of Order

Well, I'd hope there's a difference. I was scum in that game and I'm town here.

Also, Mafia of Order is a unique situation where I was actually the only townsperson alive who was playing the game. Plus the scum were being so frakking obvious it was hurting my head to even look at that game and not see them getting lynched. As I stated in that game, mafia is a game about teams and no one person should have to do all of the leg work to find the scum. I'm not about to go through that experience again.

What are your feelings on benmage, Vi? Why do you think my vote on him is for weak reasons? Do you think the points I made are inaccurate?

Theres more to it than self-preservation, its a known town(for me) vs an unknown...its an easy decision

Yeah, and you're creating a false dilemma that it is you or him because you are focused on your own self preservation.

Theres not much to spell out..you dont provide anything of substance or real information thats why they are poor. You havent scum hunted.

And the vague attacks continue. It's really a quite genius MO when one thinks about it because it gives me nothing to defend against.

You haven't scum hunted. Well, shit, yes I have. There is quite a good wagon on you at the moment due to my scum hunting. I don't know why people are not following through, but horses and water and all that good stuff.

Also, ben, I don't know why you are now trying to back off of this meta argument you made. It is indeed the crux of your attack because you are saying my play here is not consistent with the play you "know". If you are going to say that and make the argument that I'm "coasting" this game as scum, then you need to point out how that is different from games you know me in and know my alignment. Mafia 91 does not fit your bill in the least.

Let's for the sake of argument accept your attack of me coasting this game as being legitimate (which it's not). How is this absolutely indicative of me being scum? How do you know I would never coast as town? Do you think I am coasting the most out of everyone in this game? If not, why do you think my coasting makes me more likely to be scum than those other players?

You see how this whole argument hinges on meta now? You're making the argument that if VP Baltar isn't running the show, he's not town and that's utterly ridiculous.

[VP Baltar]

Ben, do you think I have been avoiding commenting on people? Are my opinions on players not clear? If so, who would you like my opinion on exactly?

Also,

Let's for the sake of argument accept your attack of me coasting this game as being legitimate (which it's not). How is this absolutely indicative of me being scum? How do you know I would never coast as town? Do you think I am coasting the most out of everyone in this game? If not, why do you think my coasting makes me more likely to be scum than those other players?

These aren't rhetorical questions.

[VP Baltar]

Why is Sotty obv obv Town? For defending you...?

It's called a joke. However, I do have a town read on her. Her play here is consistent with Sotty-town.

How? Explain? or is this a reverse meta usage. (more buddying?).

wtf do you mean explain? Her play is consistent with my personal town meta of her. I have a decent amount of experience with Sotty and consider myself a decent judge of her play.

[VP Baltar]

So this is what...a reverse of what i said about you right?

No, not at all. If you attack someone over meta, then the onus is on you to show the disparity. If I say I have a town read on someone over meta, I don't have any requirement to explain myself and reveal said meta. The reason being that if you are trying to get someone lynched, you are going to have to convince other people and will obviously have to tip your hand. I'm not trying to convince you of my town read. You're welcome to have a different interpretation of Sotty's play, but from my perspective she's town.

re: post 360- I want everyone to take a good look at ben's responses to these questions, as it is very telling of his mentality and the "case" he is presenting.

First he says he doesn't even know if I haven't been commenting on people and that he doesn't care if I am or not. Well that is funny considering that his main argument is that I'm "coasting". If I'm coasting, then I must not be taking stance in the game, correct? Isn't that what active lurkers do, avoid taking stances and merely "look busy"? However, ben doesn't even know if I am nor does he care. So, already he is showing that he doesn't even have a clear understanding of the accusation he is making.

Second, he continually acts as if I never stated a reason for voting him. This is also false.

you followed the nacho wagon without even really understanding it and now you're far to eager to jump on ConfidAnon before he has even had a chance to explain himself. If you have nothing original to add to it, I don't see any real reason for you to be in a clamor to join the wagon, especially when your previous post said that you had JUST read him in iso and didn't see any reason to be voting him.

After I said that, I also punched a bunch of holes in his alleged iso read of Confid that led him to a vote. It's all there in the thread for anyone who is interested, which ben is clearly not.

Third, after I showed that ben's argument really does have its roots in meta, I asked him how he knows I would never "coast" as town. His response:

It doesnt matter. Coasting is scummy. I dont care if you act scummy as town, all the more reason to lynch you.

So, it doesn't matter if I'm town, but we should lynch me anyway. THIS IS NOT A TOWN MENTALITY.

Fourth, he ignores the most important question of if he thinks I am "coasting" the most out of everyone in this game and if not, what makes me scummy for it as opposed to other potential coasters. This is a crucial question if this is really the case he wants to present. If "coasting is scummy", as ben puts it, then what makes VP Baltar more likely to be scum than a player like, say, pwnz, who it could be very easily argued has "coasted" a great deal more than myself?

It is quite funny that these questions that poke holes in ben's argument are nothing more than "fluff" to him. Keep pushing that rock, bud.

[VP Baltar]

I have some other stuff to comment on here sometime today, but I had a major realization this morning about Amished. I don't have plans to reveal it at this time, but I'll just say that I'm not down for his lynch. I can see where people are coming from, but I think it's the wrong course of action at the moment. I also used my current reads for some personal PoE and I've come to the conclusion that we need to be lynching in the following group to hit scum:

benmage
Porkchop
ectomancer
pwnz

Out of those, benmage is still my top pick, but I would definitely back an ectomancer lynch if there is interest. Yeah yeah, what's the case you say. I'll get to that today hopefully (after I catch up in yet another game I'm seriously behind in), but just thought I would put those thoughts out there for now.

I can reveal my PoE if a majority of people are interested, but I will ONLY do that if it is a majority thing.

[VP Baltar]

Still very much V/LA and don't have much time, but

With that said, meta itself can make up a case.
In addition, while "lazy Townies" coast, they're also the ones that hurt less if mislynched.

All I am really asking for is for people to at least give me a chance to come back from V/LA and get fully caught up. I think it is completely ridiculous that people are even considering killing someone on V/LA for not contributing enough. Additionally, the game started a whole 5 days before I had to start traveling....I mean, give me a break. I don't see how anyone could not see this line of thought as being scum driven.

As far as the nightless goes, I'm against it for now. I would rather lynch now on day 1 and see what happens over night. I realize it could be bad for us, but I'd rather roll the dice early in the game than later so we can size up what we're dealing with.

[VP Baltar]

Thats true...i think i hinted at this earlier o.O? I was for this…but now I don’t know. I guess I am for it… lotta wifom. If I were scum I’d obviously kill Con. But maybe they’re worried of night protection…JK would fit this flavor well…

Yeah, I mean, I have to assume town has some kind of powerroles out there and I'd like to let them work their magic for at least one night before we decide to go nightless. Might work in our favor.

Noones talking about the V/LA period....talking about what occurred before you went V/LA.

Which, like I said, was five days including at least a day of RVS. It's a touch silly, but that's your opinion I guess.

and i'm not gonna start campaigning it hard while your away....soooooo.....lets all enjoy turkey weekend

<3 stays of execution

Unvote, Vote: Ectomancer

The bell tolls for thee, scumbag.

[VP Baltar]

wtf...you guys are playing very very irrationally. I'm back from V/LA now, so I'll be catching up here and in my other games over the next few days.

DON'T SHOOT ANYONE IN THAT TIME....ffs.

[VP Baltar]

I was just skimming....I thought Vi shot Sotty.

[VP Baltar]

Yeah, it occured to me after I posted that Vi may simply be dead dead...which I would prefer to having one of my few town reads get killed.

[VP Baltar]

Yeah, that is basically my concern. Anyone who shoots without consent should be lynched immediately because if we just get all reckless, it is going to end very badly.

[VP Baltar]

Starting... when?

Notice where my vote is at. Still very much want Ecto dead...and that's without a major catch up yet!

I do think you're town Vi, but very pissed that you're just shooting.

[VP Baltar]

Umm yeah. VP calling me scumbag. I think we'll wait for the results k thx.

And here we are. What I really don't understand is your rational there. Vi had freaking claimed after she thought she was dying, so there was really no reason not to believe her (at least at that point). I also really don't like how you are instantly deflecting towards others now that she flipped.

Did your growing wagon have anything to do with you shooting perchance?

Also, can you link me a game you were in where Vi was town, please.

Why would I reveal my case to Vi until I had enough of one to lynch? I'm not trying to alter Vi's behaviour, which is what you do when you don't like what someone is doing.

You do realize this game generally works best when players make cases and convince others it is a good case. If the "case" you presented on Vi was as comprehensive as you claim it to be, why wouldn't you just post it and get her lynched? Nothing you have said accurately explains WHY it was necessary to shoot her.

Well he already shot twice and is out of bullets (at least for today), so he certainly cant shoot you. Your vote is somewhere else, so you don't look to be lynching him. What are you going to do? Wait until tomorrow when he could get another bullet to shoot you? If you don't care about the reveal, then why wait, especially if you are concerned that it could take us to night?

What I'm saying is your actions don't seem to match your convictions, and by waiting you're just gauging the town's reactions to your statement to Don. So either you meant it, and were just taunting Don when you could have waited (what purpose did that serve if his response didnt matter?) So...I can only assume you said it to decide whether town would approve or not. Why do you care? If he's scum, shoot him!

^Fearmongering....why the frak are people not lynching ecto?

ecto has posted some thought provoking material recently and has also taken a position regarding vi(by shooting). this reads as possible town to me.

Really? What was thought provoking about it?

@VP: In my opinion, Benmage has made a valid point that you aren’t playing as committed a game as expected from TownVP. It has nothing to do with an absence of posting lately, and everything to do with what you have contributed thus far. To portray this as being a case of “VP isn’t doing our work for us” is completely sidestepping the issue. Sorry if it is frustrating, but the quality of your play (here and elsewhere) is responsible.

It isn't sidestepping the issue at all, because that is the exact accusation that is being made--that I'm somehow not living up to some perceived awesomeness I have as town (which probably isn't true in the first place) and therefore I'm scum. Like I said, I had something like five days in this game before I went V/LA....it's a ridiculous point to be making.

What I find compelling (enough to unvote him since he demonstrated some pro-town play there, though subsequent posts have been a little disheartening) about Ben’s PBPA is that he’s identified you as attacking him for something that you yourself are guilty of. Laying aside the nm8 issue, which Bm deserved to be scrutinised for (despite what he says).

Why are you laying it aside? Seems fairly relevant to me.

Your initial argument is that he joins wagons without original thought (which is an accusation that can be levelled against you in regards to Confid).

Actually, the accusation I made was that he was joining wagons for reasons he did not understand. It would be one thing for him to not express original thought, but to join them and not actually understand WHY people are voting on that wagon is very scummy. It is not the same accusation he levelled against me in the least.

What do you make of Ecto’s shooting?

Hmmm....what do you make of my vote on Ecto and calling him a scumbag?

I’m thinking it might be a good idea to shoot, or lynch, Ecto at this point. I’m not against his case on Vi but his claim is a little troubling. I have a feeling that if scum can daykill they wouldn’t be bad shots and his claim could be cover for that.

I can't make heads or tails of this. So, you think he made a good case, but his claim is enough to kill him on? wtf. Also, this is well before Vi's alignment has been revealed. If you thought it was a case you at least weren't against (which is horribly vague), then why would you not want to see Vi's alignment first?

And the comments towards VPB are dead on.

play better if you're town...seriously. Your critical thinking skills this game are very dismal.

@Porkchop-who the hell do you think is scum? I haven't seen much of anything from you that couldn't be considered poking and prodding from the sidelines. I have been holding back on you for a bit because I know you're a good town player, but posts like 468 seem to come up frequently from you this game.

Vi's flip should be interesting, but it makes me pretty ticked seeing as I revealed myself only to have her shot again.

And what have you learned now?

Soldier bitch.

You realize this has no bearing on your alignment, right?

Don also shot at a town Vi. I think he did it for much the same type of meta reasons that I did. Ben, you said you were going to shoot him regardless. What are you going to do now?

^More fearmongering and encouraging others to shoot.

Going to unvote for awhile.

Reasoning? Also, who were you voting? I don't see you on the votecount last page.

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Ok, fully caught up and definitely think my scum list is very much correct. Ecto goes first.

Sorry for the mega post, but I had a few days to catch up on. Fully here now and I'm ready to win this game so ben can stop his bellyaching.

[VP Baltar]

vp: don't be an ass. that quote was from three pages ago. i referenced ecto's quote before that post. your question is stupid. his post was good and "thought provoking". asking "what is thought provoking about it?" is like me saying the sky is blue, and you saying, "what is blue about it?"

No, it's not actually. I want you to elaborate because I very much disagree with your assessment of it. Tell me specifically which points he made that you felt were "thought provoking".

[VP Baltar]

I'm sure you can find a game where Vi is town. Did you mean the one where Vi is town and I'm playing too? Or what? If so, why wouldn't you also want the ones where Vi is scum since a comprehensive meta would be what you want?

Don't be intentionally dense, you know I mean a game where Vi was town and you were there too. I don't need scum game because I have a very specific point I am researching. Please link your most recent game together where she was town in your next post. Thanks.

What you are demanding is that you instantly leap on anyone doing anything suspicious the very instant they do it. Play your own game of mafia. I'm going to feed them the rope and then hang them with it once it gets long enough and not before.

No, I'm not "demanding" any such thing. I'm saying if you had some giant case (which was based on posts before you shot her, then why wouldn't you post it and get the lynch? There was no need to 'feed out more rope' if she had already made enough actions for you to think you had a solid case on her.

Fearmongering? I believe its called holding people to their stated convictions.

Bull. It's called trying to start a gun fight so other town players will die before you get lynched.

For me, VP looks way to much like he knew Vi was town before he flipped.

Well, you know, she did claim on her (first) deathbed. It's called being able to read motivations, which you are either completely incapable of or are scum. I'm sticking with the latter.

Does that satisfy you for today?

No, why should it? I want you dead and NAO.

[VP Baltar]

ben, what do you think of ecto shooting Vi and why don't you wisen up so we can actually lynch scum ecto here?

[VP Baltar]

But you sit as most scummy to me...so how should i wisen up? Not go after my #1 suspect...?? I am gauging the people not voting, asking who they think is most suspicious, while also asking about you, my top suspect.

I think you should wisen up by letting up with your confirmation bias you have against me and actually do some scumhunting. I'm back from V/LA now, so you're argument that I'm not contributing isn't really holding up anymore.

Why do you say his case was "ok" when you claimed to have a major town read on Vi? Why are you not feeling him as scum when he shot your major town read who had claimed town after she thought she was going to die? It just doesn't make sense.

What are your thoughts on DJ?

When ecto flips scum, I will be happy to lynch him for his blind agreement with the horrible cases ecto is putting forth. I gave him town points early for the original shot on Vi, but he's lost his credibility with me since then.

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pwnz- I want your thoughts on Ecto and all the other major lynch candidates.

[VP Baltar]

I see nothing in there but early excuses for when Vi turns up town.

What? How the frak is me saying I think don is town for shooting making excuses for Vi when she turns up town. ENGLISH PLEASE.

Basically VP goes through the entire game without ever challenging Vi, even though Vi took a poke or two in VP's direction.

Again, I don't see how me not OMGUSing Vi when she attacked me is indicative of me "knowing" Vi is town as opposed to simply having a read that was semi-townish. You're just quoting things and going "see, that supports my point" when it doesn't make any sort of logical sense.

VP, you can use a search function as well as I can. I don't know who you are puffing up towards to demand information "in my next post" you can find yourself. I might get around to it when I get a chance.

I'm not puffing up anything and you have absolutely no reason to not provide a link to a game. Unless of course you have something to hide, which you likely do.

Was that the most recent game you had with Vi as town? That is what I'm looking for. The game you provided is very old and can't really be used as any sort of meta imo.

[VP Baltar]

Oh yes, I'm totally hiding the fact that I've played many games with Vi as many different role configurations between the two of us.

Yes, actually you very much seem to be. You can't accuse me of cherry picking games when I'm expressly allowing YOU to choose the game I look at. I have a very specific point to make and by allowing you to pick the game, I will show that it's not me just being selective.

That being said, you can't provide a link to a game that is over a year old and expect me to use that as meta.

I am perfectly capable of using the search function, no problem, but I am giving you the opportunity to make sure my research isn't biased. If you don't like it, then I'll just do it myself, but don't bitch about it later.

[VP Baltar]

Also,

Maybe you could find out and then tell us that statistically I should be scum in 4 games in a row with Vi?

This is a major irrelevancy.

[VP Baltar]

@ benmage- I would still like you to look at the timeline you are accusing me of not actively participating over. I had no more than five days before I left for my vacation. How much time during that period do you think I had for pouring over MS threads, especially one that had just started? Like I said before, stop being biased about this issue and actually think about it. Your reasoning sucks and the more you cling to it, the more I am assured that you are scum with ecto.

[VP Baltar]

I see nothing in there but early excuses for when Vi turns up town.

What? How the frak is me saying I think don is town for shooting making excuses for Vi when she turns up town. ENGLISH PLEASE.

Basically VP goes through the entire game without ever challenging Vi, even though Vi took a poke or two in VP's direction.

Again, I don't see how me not OMGUSing Vi when she attacked me is indicative of me "knowing" Vi is town as opposed to simply having a read that was semi-townish. You're just quoting things and going "see, that supports my point" when it doesn't make any sort of logical sense.

Since you seemed to have missed this the first time, dear.

[VP Baltar]

Explain to me better the points I quoted because I honestly do not understand the arguments you are making. HOW does me saying don shooting Vi looked townish on him relate to my thoughts about Vi? HOW does me not OMGUSing Vi mean that I KNEW she was town? You're not being clear at all HOW the quotes support your argument, that's the crucial point you are missing. You're leaving huge gaps that you expect people to fill in with their imaginations, which is indeed not how this game is played.

And just because Vi claimed to be acting scummy does not mean everyone would have a scum read on her. Ben claimed to have a town read on her, do you think he "knew" she would flip town before you shot her?

[VP Baltar]

Nice twist there. I don't read you as calling Don town, I see you immediately launch into a defense of Don's actions, never wondering whether Vi might actually be scum. If his move was townish, somewhere in there you must consider that Don might be right, but you never do.

And again, they are not related. I wasn't making a value judgement on Don's actions one way or the other. I made a judgement of his

motivation

, which I believed at the time would have been more likely to come from town. You're still not making a clear correrlation of how that has anything to do with Vi's alignment.

Another twist on words to call questioning Vi "omgus". You don't go after Vi because you knew not to do it. Any altercation in the long run would only reveal Vi to be town, so you didn't pursue anything and let Vi's pokes at you just slide off your back.

L-O-L....so you are suggesting that a scum would never attack a townie because "in the long run" the town player would be revealed to be town. Have you played mafia before? If anything, scum or MORE likely to get indignant about being attacked and respond in kind than town players are. Also, how exactly does a scum player get a mislynch if they never argue with a town person for fear of being revealed later?

I can provide ample town meta of myself ignoring attacks on me if I think they are coming from another town player. I don't see any benefit of arguing with someone if I don't think they are scum and it would actually further my end of winning the game.

I hope everyone is noting how much Ecto is scrambling to divert attention away from the fact that he shot Vi after she had very clearly made herself known to be town with a claim on her deathbed.

[VP Baltar]

Ben claimed a town read, but I didn't see his commentary display a bias the way that yours does. In your case, I see objectivity lacking.

Those are some keen buzz words you have there.

If anything, ben was much more "biased" in the sense that he was die hard saying Vi had to be town according to his read.

[VP Baltar]

Nice scrambling, but I'm not reading anything to change my mind on what I believe that I see.

Wow, how town of you to not want to have an informed opinion.

[VP Baltar]

The activity, and your "level of play" aside...you were hypocritical and your attack on me was down right bad, if not also opportunistic.

I have addressed why I don't believe anything about the attack was "hypocritical" and your reply was simply "nah uh", so please keep tunneling without any sort of real argument, it's quite entertaining. It is also amusing that no matter how your arguments are refuted, you change your story. Now my activity and "level of play", which were the crux of your attack (along with meta), are now somehow irrelevant.

Oh the circles we run in...let's do something productive and lynch obv scum ecto now.

You guys may be misconstruing what she said also, or maybe I am. She said she thought she had been playing a scummy game....well what does that mean? Did she think he play had simply been sub-par? Was she purposely trying to play antitown?(i doubt that Vi would do this)....so...anyways, regardless she did some damn obvious town moves in my book.

This is my point. I don't see how he is saying that I am obv scum for not attacking her, when she clearly wasn't outstandingly scummy. It's a pretty ridiculous statement on Ecto's part, which I think comes from him trying to fake his way onto the wagon you are trying to build on me.

[VP Baltar]

Now we have words we know for certain belong to a town member, the only one confirmed to us. My plan is to go back and read what Vi had to say in that light.

lol, you're my hero ecto! If it weren't for you, we wouldn't have a confirmed dead townie. GJ Dude.

[VP Baltar]

Nobody said Vi was playing well this game, but at least she was right about Ecto.

More ectomancer voting folks. Let's hurry this lynch along so his buddies will be extremely obvious tomorrow.

[VP Baltar]

Go ahead VP, go ahead Sotty or pwnz. Fire till you hit me twice. Let's see what goes down. Point of fact is, I'm not convinced scum is going to have nightkills and guns worth a damn.

If the scum doesn't have nightkills, then we should definitely go to night.

Also, this game is not going to degenerate into an out of control shoot 'em up, no matter how badly you'd like it to. Law and order shall prevail.

Once we find out if multiple wounds kill, ya'll figure out the next target and shoot them too. Keep it from going to night as much as possible and still get information from deaths.

One wound kills you eventually. Vi was bleeding out before she was healed.

[VP Baltar]

I think it was a suggestion.

[VP Baltar]

Ecto, what are your thoughts on a Porkchop lynch?

[VP Baltar]

ben, you can answer if you'd like. I welcome all opinions, but I'm most interested in ecto. Feel free though.

[VP Baltar]

Mods, you need deadline extension and massive prodding

Not so much to save myself, because that won't be necessary and I'm not getting lynched today, but rather to save this damn game...which is apparently also bleeding out.

I have some things to address when I have some time...but porkchops's "case" is not one of them, so don't hold your breath.

Confid, d3x and nachomamma....if you're still around this game, get in here and vote Ecto so we can move forward.

[VP Baltar]

Ok, since you guys are being lazy and can't see the forest for the trees, let me point some important things out for you.

I've also heard it said that my shot came out of the blue or something like that. Well why would I shoot Vi of all people if I were scum? I know wifom yadayada, but seriously, why? Out of the blue? Because I had, what, 2 votes at the time? IIRC?

Well, first, this is factually incorrect. You had 3 votes on you at the time. More importantly, however, is the fact that there a significant amount of pressure building toward your lynch. Allow me to demonstrate:

Ectomancer shoots Vi in post 413 on page 17 with this reasoning:

Bah, I (and we) need the answer to this for a couple reasons anyhow.

shoot Vi

Which sounds rather aribtrary considering the posthumous mega post case he claimed to have on her. Now, even if you believe that Ecto actually had his case in mind when he shot her (which I don't), let's look at the three or so pages before that shot was fired and see what people were saying about Ecto.

It wounds my soul to move my vote from Ectomancer-scum, but I can hop onto an Amished wagon.

Unvote: Ectomancer
Vote: Amished (L-5)

Clearly Vi still thought you were scummy.

I also used my current reads for some personal PoE and I've come to the conclusion that we need to be lynching in the following group to hit scum:

benmage
Porkchop
ectomancer
pwnz

Out of those, benmage is still my top pick, but I would definitely back an ectomancer lynch if there is interest.

*yawn*

unvote, vote ectomancer

*sips beer*

I have some other stuff to comment on here sometime today, but I had a major realization this morning about Amished. I don't have plans to reveal it at this time, but I'll just say that I'm not down for his lynch. I can see where people are coming from, but I think it's the wrong course of action at the moment. I also used my current reads for some personal PoE and I've come to the conclusion that we need to be lynching in the following group to hit scum:

benmage
Porkchop
ectomancer
pwnz

Out of those, benmage is still my top pick, but I would definitely back an ectomancer lynch if there is interest. Yeah yeah, what's the case you say. I'll get to that today hopefully (after I catch up in yet another game I'm seriously behind in), but just thought I would put those thoughts out there for now.

I can reveal my PoE if a majority of people are interested, but I will ONLY do that if it is a majority thing.

I agree with this list. Two things: 1. What does PoE stand for? (Not asking you to reveal what yours is, just don't get the acronym.) 2. Could we get a vote count?

My lynch preference would probably be:

VPB
pwnz
nacho/ecto....i dont have a good read on either of these, i'd probably have to read both in iso if a wagon started on either to see if i'd agree or not...but some general feelings and overview has me disliking both.

I think everyone should drop a lynch preference, see where we stand.

blah blah blah blah

no comment necessary that I haven't said a couple of dozen times already

And Vi has nothing to say to you because she thinks you are so scummy.

*messes up the vote count*

Unvote: Amished
Vote: Ectomancer (L-4)

We voting are shooting?

Even without rereading nacho/ecto post 385 makes me down.

It would be more accurate to say that I keep changing back to Ectomancer due to him providing new and increasingly more awesome reasons to be lynched while providing essentially no redeeming value.

If you believe this assessment is in error, please say so. Otherwise, join the wagon.

As for a lynch preference I currently run Amished, ecto, nacho/porkchop. Amished reasons should be clear, ecto doesn't seem to be willing to do anything over these last few pages.

I should just shoot VP to prove myself right.

Luckily, we have another candidate; and I don't disagree with anything that Vi has said against Ecto.

Unvote
Vote: Ectomancer

And then BLAMO, you shoot Vi. I strongly encourage town players to go look at pages 15-17 (mostly 16). This is where every single one of these quotes comes from and it clearly shows that support of an Ectomancer lynch was being fomented. Some of the above quotes are stronger than others, but all of them are in a negative light of him and they were coming from a fairly wide spread of players. This is why it is clear to me that Ecto is scum. He saw his lynch coming and figured he may as well kill a town player before he bit the dust. What is suprising to me is that people have allowed him to walk away from this...which is why I think people like Porkchop and Ben are likely scumbuddies. Coming up with a case after the fact doesn't do anything to make me feel better about him (not to mention his case is awful).

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Now, allow me to point out Porkchopexpress' glaring contradiction while I'm pointing out things.

In his post where he votes me, he attacks me for going after benmage:

To begin with, you accused him of following wagons with no original thought (Iso 17) and then, after Ben’s reply when he points out that you’ve done the same thing on the Confid wagon, you focussed on his mistake-riddled NM8 vote and his eagerness to vote before Confid “has even had a chance to explain himself”...(etc)

But when I was first pointing out how ben was jumping on wagons he didn't understand back on the nacho wagon, Porkchop was eager to "borrow" my reasoning as an attack on ben himself.

I don’t like that Benmage doesn’t seem to be paying attention to the very little play that has transpired so far. I really don’t like that he doesn’t seem to be paying attention to the details of the bandwagon that he joined. This was a pretty huge gaffe for a simple memory failure. He ignores Ecto entirely (even though he quotes a link to Ecto’s argument) and then possibly tries to hide his band-wagoning behind my band-wagoning.

Porkchop is also making the allegation that I am hypocritically attacking ben for not adding "original thought" to the wagons I've been on. While that is not what I was attacking ben over (I attacked him for not UNDERSTANDING the reasons presented against people and voting anyhow), let's look at what porkchop said earlier about ben and myself when the whole Confid wagon was happening.

I’m not entirely sure what you [benmage] are expecting Confid to come out and defend himself against, if he has already explained his actions and you’ve done nothing (beyond voting) to challenge that. You are either voting because you think his play is demonstrably scummy or because you’re trying to pressure him into explaining his actions. Your words say you’re doing one thing, but your play says another. (

Unlike, say, VP you aren’t actually doing any of the due diligence in attacking the response, you just act like you are.

) Reeks of opportunistic scuminess.

My how the tables turn when the wagons change.

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Other things I will address from Porkchops voting post on me.

Trying to lynch someone you believe to be town (but is gunning for you) is horrendously bad play, worse than just shooting them even.

What? Getting town killed is bad any way you put it. At least with trying to get someone lynched, the rest of the town acts as a buffer against someone's obvious OMGUS behaviour.

Telling someone to act on their suspicions (if they have any) isn’t scummy.

Bullshit and you know it.

Ecto telling ben and dj to essentially shoot it out is outrageously scummy. Ecto isn't agree with one or the other being scummy, he's simply the pre-pubescent poindexter on the outer ring of the crowd shouting "Fight! Fight! Fight!"

That is not good for town and I'm most certainly not "misrepresenting" Ecto in this manner.

Frankly, I don’t know why Vi claiming Vanilla while she was wounded is such an important detail. Are you telling me that you’d expect scum to have given up their alignment because they were wounded (even before Confid revealed himself)? Was that were your town read of Vi came from? Simply that there’s no reason not to believe a deathbed claim?

Scum often give up their alignments after they are dead. I don't think anyone expected Vi to be healed and unless the scum have a doctor on their team, they most certainly would not. I think being able to read deception in peoples' posts is a fine skill that many players on MS lack. Vi's claim and frustration were both very honest. And no, generally speaking, there isn't much reason not to believe a town deathbed (or twilight) claim. What legitimate benefit does a scum receive from fakeclaiming town when he or she believes they are dead?

I don’t think it was an incorrect explanation of Vi’s play but I had a town feeling coming from Vi based off of the gun/bad shot talk

So if you had a town read off of her bad shot talk, why should I doubt her claim? You're not even being consistent in the same post any longer.

Some of the hardcore buddying between Sotty and VP has me slightly suspicious of her.

hardcore buddying? really? I'm not allowed to have a town read on her? Also, what do town reads on each other mean until you actually know someone's alignment? Absolutely nothing. I don't see how you can be slightly suspicious of her when you don't even know what my alignment is.

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TL,DR

Ecto had a massive incentive to shoot Vi (his main detractor) when he did. Review pages 15-17 and you'll see that his wagon was gaining major steam.

Porkchop seems to change his opinion in this game very conveniently. When Ecto flips scum, this is where people should be looking for his buddy.

[VP Baltar]

so should i vote ectomancer, then?

I think so. There are actual scummy reasons to vote him. As opposed to my wagon, which is on the grounds of "HERRRRRRRRRRR AHHH DURRRRRRRRRP, WIN DA GAME VPB."

[VP Baltar]

No, I don't believe you understand much of what has happened to this point, but Ecto is oozing scum and needs to be dealt with. You live to fight another day you waskly wabbit.

Btw, when is the deadline? 3 days? Mods :arrow:

But I do agree with this.

[VP Baltar]

I'm talking about my single vote on ConA. You dont think I understood why I voted ConA. Alone...Singly...Yes, or no for that.

ben, let me reiterate my problem with your vote. You posted all of the information you would have needed to find ConA suspicious and said you weren't quite clear on the case so you would do a reread. Then after that reread you magically understood and put your vote EVEN THOUGH you had already read the reason that most people were voting him.

My view is that you didn't need additional context of a reread to understand the reasons for voting Confid. That is why I said I don't feel like you understood the arguments. You needed a reread and to see other players' reasons for voting before you understood why you wanted to vote. That's what bothers me.

I think that is clear.

[VP Baltar]

@ben-fine. I don't really want to argue with you about it anymore anyhow. I'm far less sure about you now than I am about Ecto, which is where my vote is.

I moved on a long time ago and I suggest you do the same.

[VP Baltar]

Unvote

for now if Ecto really is at L-1. I want to hear from the parade of non-presence before we hang the scum.

[VP Baltar]

Official vote counts help, as does having a mod who prods the hell out of the lurkers. Wishful thinking I suppose, however.

[VP Baltar]

Ecto, so I'm trying to understand your role. As far as I can tell, you haven't claimed a power, just a role name. What do you do?

[VP Baltar]

What does it say after the word Gunslinger in your PM?

[VP Baltar]

^^ hoping for a modkill? kind of a dangerous question. ecto, please consult the mod before you answer such a silly question. honestly, i would want to know what precedes the word gunslinger, but that's just me.

Ok, but you clearly get what I'm trying to get him to claim. He has only either claimed his role name or his role, not both. That is what I want. I've never met a mod who would kill you for quoting your full role.

You.

You might want the words "elusive" and "deadly accurate". Thus far the deadly accurate part seems to have been confirmed.

Ok, I was clearly going in the wrong direction then. If Gunslinger is your role, then what is your role name (ie, the big bolded part before the word Gunslinger).

Shoot: Ectomancer

Then let's see how elusive you are.


In other news, guys, I'm all caught up will begin to comment on stuff tomorrow... I kinda wanted some resolution from stuff, but that is obviously gonna take a while, SO. I am done lurking.

STOP FRAKKING SHOOTING PEOPLE. JESUS.
(though I kind of want to shoot ecto myself and hurry his death along, as he's clearly fake claiming)

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Amished will be back on the 8th and isn't around to reply to any prods. His V/LA is stated in thread.

[VP Baltar]

So, if I have this correct, Ecto is claiming Retired Soldier (Gunslinger) and his power is that he is an exceptionally good shot.

What I'm confused about then Ecto is why you acted earlier like you were unclear what your role did. Did you try and clarify your power with the mod pregame if you didn't understand?

[VP Baltar]

Yeah, so I basically forgot pwnz was even in this game any more. Looking forward to some actual content.

Help me take this guy down before I go please.

Nah. Let's just see your flip and maybe we'll have enough time to lynch your buddies today too!

[VP Baltar]

I agree pwnz. Do you have any thoughts on who the scum might be? It's been awhile since you've given a good rundown of your thoughts and I don't have much of a read on you.

Help a brother out here.

[VP Baltar]

ooo ooo, let's all shoot Ectomancer! It'll be a good bonding experience.

Now that my avy is back, I'm all for some gunplay.

[VP Baltar]

*shines gun*

Listen here, varmit. That's about enough outta you.

Shoot: Ectomancer

More gangland style killings make for a better game.

[VP Baltar]

Ben, you should shoot Ecto. It's very cathartic.

[VP Baltar]

Yeah, I mean, Nacho's right. Take one for the world, Ecto.

Now if we only had that damned coroner to show you how I just capped yo ass.

[VP Baltar]

Booyah. You still want to die don and ben?

[VP Baltar]

And consider yourself avenged great Vi in the sky.

[VP Baltar]

Amished, you're read of the game is utterly confusing....how in the hell do you see Sotty being partners with Ecto.

Also, amongst the lurkers, I'd say porkchopexpress and d3x are the scums.

DJ, you got some 'splaining to do.

the shooting for wounding after Ecto is proven to be a "cowboy" with no modifiers makes me think that the wounding is from town.

I don't think this is right.

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Hi, Cobalt.

[VP Baltar]

I'll look back over your Sotty stuff sometime today after I get some work done, but re: shot strength I'll reveal that I believe I have a strong shot and I know very well I'm not scum. That's why I don't think your theory is correct.

I don't believe that a mod would make it so easy to figure out who the scum were anyhow.

[VP Baltar]

Actually, you could figure out who the scum is since you've done nothing but tunnel on me for most of the game and now are being forced to eat humble pie. Surely you have plenty to reassess and give opinions on now that you've seen Ecto's flip.

[VP Baltar]

Or we could lynch scum PorkchopExpress. I'll probably be dead tonight anyhow, so you guys should actually listen to me for the rest of the day.

[VP Baltar]

How about you explain your very awful reads this game and how you were buddying ecto?

cowboy is mafia

I'm not saying I'm confirmed by any means, just that I would think that doesn't exactly look like bussing to me.

[VP Baltar]

EBWOP: why you were buddying ecto?

[VP Baltar]

God, every time I think this game is righting itself, someone shoots for absolutely no reason.

Remember how awesome your reads were in Mafia of Order Cobalt? yeah....thanks for that shot.

[VP Baltar]

Well, if you're shot was right, I'll shut my mouth and give you your thank you. As it is, I'm just glad you are out of bullets.

[VP Baltar]

of course it wouldn't look that way to you. ecto was on his way to being lynched. shooting your scumbuddy seems a great way to earn town points.

you should probably do your research on who was driving that wagon before nacho shot.

how do i know this? how do you know this?

More research for you:

A ruthless gang of Cowboys is trying to take over all your businesses and worst of all your sheriff is in on it.

Also, his role being in red is generally a good indicator of scum. Just a thought.

what other reads?

You were calling me scum for quite awhile. That was pretty dumb.

who says I'm out of bullets?

The mod(s)


you folks should pay more attention. It's good for the town.

[VP Baltar]

eliminate anti-town threats.


I would have hoped you'd have improved your game since last time, Cobalt. Please don't just become a huge distraction that is a must lynch again. It only helps the scum.

[VP Baltar]

Well, you did shoot a town person...that's an incorrect read, and you admitted ecto. I know for a fact you're wrong about me.

I don't care about wifom as to why you would openly buddy scum. as you said, that's all WIFOM.

My point is that the evidence in thread doesn't look great for you.

I'm not opposed to lynching a lurker. Who is your suggestion?

[VP Baltar]

jesus, I hate dealing with your raging stupidity Cobalt. You're officially on my do not play with list....only other person on there is Mastin. Congrats

And you're not going to get me to quote my role pm so you can beg for a modkill. Learn to play better.

[VP Baltar]

raging stupidity

[VP Baltar]

how does what feel?

I also just remembered something prior about Amished...I think he might flip town actually. I want to hear from him first, but I think I know what his role might be.

[VP Baltar]

Feels a lot like Mafia of Order when you "caught" me and then got yourself lynched because you're so bad at this game. Perhaps one day you'll learn how to play.

[VP Baltar]

This is such an edifying conversation.

[VP Baltar]

Honestly, I think our best play since Cobalt's idiotic shot is to go No Lynch for today. We would have been even before that and could have lynched safely, but I think Amished will flip town and that puts us at a disadvantage now. Mislynching today could spell very bad news overnight.

Vote: No Lynch

[VP Baltar]

We have 1 scum dead..1 town. Soon to be two town. If we hypothetically mislynch we have 3 town dead. Entering tomorrow

(assuming no night vigs, no sk, and assuming mafia have nk's which shouldnt be absolute

, because we now see they can dayshoot) we have 4 town dead. That's 5 total from a starting 12...with 2 scum remaining. Giving us 7 remaining and a 5-2 ratio...That isn't that bad, nor is it lylo.

I've bolded the problems with your plan. I'd rather not make a whole bunch of assumptions about what is going to happen over night until we see it. Also, don't assume the morons in this game aren't going to immediately start shooting people in the morning and thus auto lose the game.

I may be willing to change my mind if I really get the feeling someone is scum, but until that happens I think erring on the side of caution is the proper play at the moment.

[VP Baltar]

Cobalt is confid.

And fine,

Unvote

. You're right that we should wait for the flip I guess.

As I asked you before don, can you tell me which of the lurkers you are interested in and why. Also, could you explain why you voted me after I stated my wincon?

[VP Baltar]

Is 768 ^^^ that, at me?

No, it was at don...I walked away from the computer mid-posting and you ninja'd me.

@don-no, you need to explain it because I think you were pushing some BS. Cobalt I expect that sort of thing from, but not you.

[VP Baltar]

I might be down with a dj lynch today. Told you he was jumping at BS.

[VP Baltar]

I'll wait to hear what DJ thought he was getting at with the WC thing before I cast a vote.

[VP Baltar]

vp where yo vote at kid

It's coming tomorrow. I need to do some thinking first, but it's likely to land on don.

[VP Baltar]

important point to remember and look out for is the fact that the sheriff is in cahoots with the cowboys. sheriff probably has power. maybe a better kill percentage or something?

why does noone accept the possibility that vp was bussing ecto? ecto was shot and on his way to being lynched when vp took the shot he did(which apparently killed him instantly). sheriff is probably a good shot. wouldn't ya think?

^classic scum-grasping-at-straws-as-they-head-to-the-gallows (SGASATHTTG) theory.

vp: if you are not scum with sotty and ecto, and i am not scum with sotty and ecto, who is scum with sotty and ecto?

Sotty's not scum. My educated guess is that the scum team is a mix of don/ecto/porkchopexpress/d3x.


Anyhow, dj's weak attempt at scumhunting confirmed my suspicions.

Unvote, Vote: don johnson

Let's get this claim and lynch done today people. No sense in dallying until deadline.

[VP Baltar]

L-2, btw

[VP Baltar]

@VP: I looked back over your (relatively) recent posts, and I haven't seen anything that you said that would make you suspect d3x/PCE other than they were lurking. You can't deny that they're consummately easy targets, and you haven't really said much against them.

Nah, not necessarily. PE for me is largely based on my previous experience with him as town and I would definitely say he is playing a very different game here. He's coming across as overly cautious and overly quiet, which is not what I'm used to from him. I'm not even sure why you are referring to him as an "easy target" really. He is a very competent, though less well known, player.

d3x, while absent, doesn't have a very good track record in this game either. I never really felt that his excessive tunneling of nacho made him look particularly town, and now we do have at least some town points in nacho's favor for shooting ecto (though it could have been a bus, as ecto's lynch did seem a bit inevitable). I do vaguely recall getting town vibes from d3x over something early on, but I can't remember what it was at the moment and would have to reread him. I'm surprised to see you defending him considering you were calling him third party earlier. At any rate, he's being replaced and we'll see what happens after that.

What I see from you is that Cobalt/deadline got you into a sticky situation and you didn't know how to act.

lol, what? I was in a sticky situation? That's news to me. Do elaborate. What makes you think I "didn't know how to act"?

(/me points to the ... "fear mongering" (not the term I'd want to use) about how if I was dead we might be close to lylo/mylo and the vote for no-lynch. Specifically the close to lylo BS I've used as scum (and only as scum) without actually checking.)

How is a no lynch beneficial to scum in that situation? That doesn't even make sense. Also, as I pointed out to benmage, we clearly have people among us who would shoot without hesitation in the morning. It may be day 1, but we're actually on day 2 at this point given the deaths already and we have no clue what will happen tonight. If there is an SK or vig about and two town members get killed plus people start shooting in the morning, town would be in a very bad position very quickly. Had you actually died and flipped town, I'd rather have just acted as that being the lynch and not killed anyone else for today. I fail to see how that would be beneficial to the scum in your eyes.

[VP Baltar]

You suggesting I'm the sheriff based on nothing is very much grasping at straws. To suggest that I bussed Ecto when I'm pretty much the reason his wagon got off the ground in the first place is grasping at straws.

vp: you don't see any significance of an ectomancer game where he is scum and goes about voting several players but only laying out one FoS on an actively lurking player who seems to know everyones alignments before they flip? whatever. good luck.

I don't see how Sotty has known everyone's alignment before they flip. Where is your evidence for that? Sounds a lot like the bullshit ecto was trying to accuse me of with respect to Vi.

[VP Baltar]

@Ben

Newbie 832
Open 164

Off of the top of my head. I feel like there was another one too, but I can't remember. Maybe not.

Anyhow, in both of those games he was so town he was killed Night 1. He was pretty agressive and present in both. I'm not seeing that same fervor here, but I've never seen him as scum either.

Take it for what it's worth I suppose.

[VP Baltar]

my set up speculation is 2 cowboys and a sheriff against the town, btw. otherwise we could have three cowboys and the sheriff could be a "traitor" role, but given the killing mechanics i think that would unbalance the game.

I actually agree with you here. I think the scum group is some compilation similar to this with the sherriff potentially being a third party (maybe, though flavor indicates otherwise).

I will look at your sotty points, but I think you are way off target here. I don't feel she's active lurking IN THE LEAST. He posting frequency is pretty consistent with what I know from her regardless of alignment. I also cannot really see her as being Ecto's partner.

[VP Baltar]

I don't understand that at all. Amished, I want to hear from you first.

[VP Baltar]

I don't understand that at all. Amished, I want to hear from you first.

Expand.

Sotty was not an obvious kill choice. She was under a great deal of suspicion at the end of the day. Cobalt claimed doc yesterday, and yet wasn't killed.

Marshall sounds like some sort of cop, which makes it even worse. Maybe she breadcrumbed somewhere and that is who the scum found her out...still seems like a weird kill.

@Cobalt-I don't want to assume anything. I'd rather talk this out first before we make any quick decisions. Not saying I'm opposed to your plan necessarily, but I don't want anyone just firing off their guns at a whim like yesterday. Anyone who does deserves to be lynched immediately.

[VP Baltar]

I wonder how the lylo in this game is going to work though....depending on who goes and what kinds of shots the scum have, town could still technically win a 2-2 matchup if they shot first and shot correctly.


This going to be a bitch of a game to try and figure out I have a feeling.

We should probably lynch d3x since he's probably the scum that killed Sotty.

[VP Baltar]

Also, just so you know, I think we could very easily have had 4 scum at the start of this game giving the killing power of the town + a cop.

[VP Baltar]

Also, just so you know, I think we could very easily have had 4 scum at the start of this game giving the killing power of the town + a cop.

Possible, but is this likely if they all shoot the way ecto did?

4 means if D1 we mislynch they NK, and enter D2 all shoot theres 6 alive with 4 scum, and an easy win.

But as I said before, we have GUNS! Lylo might not work the same here where it's a simple numbers game.

@Amished...so I kill a scum, my town reads flip town, and you think I'm scum.

[VP Baltar]

Hi Jazzmyn.

@ben-I agree it's powerful...but so is a cop/doc combo (if Cobalt is telling the truth).

[VP Baltar]

Porkchop-who's scum in your mind now that we've had some flips? I think it's a pretty small list to choose from at this point, but I'd like to hear your thoughts.

[VP Baltar]

I'll give my thoughts when I'm good and ready, thanks.

[VP Baltar]

making excuses for low activity before she's even posted anything of content looks good to you?

And I think pork has an obligation to contribute a bit more to this day than he did yesterday. You have a problem with that ben?

Nacho and pwnz need to contrib as well.

[VP Baltar]

Defense against what? I didn't see an actual attack in there.

And for the last freaking time folks, Ecto was going to be lynched well before Nacho shot him thanks to the case I made. I'm not sure why don didn't get that, and I don't know why you're missing that as well Amished. I'm not claiming I'm town because of the shot, but rather the extensive case and wagon I built.

re: Cobalt-I think he's probably town due to his doctoring, yes. Not guaranteed, but pretty likely.

[VP Baltar]

I'll believe the hype when I see it.

Mod: please prod Cobalt, nacho and pwnz.

@Porkchop-still waiting for you to really say ANYTHING....why so lurky this game?

[VP Baltar]

It doesn't go by pages. It goes by days. Also, how about some thoughts.

After doing some thinking, I am leaning that the remaining scums are in: Jazzmyn, nachomamma and pwnz. Benmage as a substitute if I'm way off.

How does that strike you or what are your thoughts? (anyone can answer this)

[VP Baltar]

Shit...forgot Amished was here. Swap out nachomama for Amished.

[VP Baltar]

What is giving you a town read from d3x specifically?

[VP Baltar]

Also, what are your thoughts on Amished, nacho?

[VP Baltar]

I have no particular problem with people asserting that I might be scum, but it makes it rather difficult for me to defend myself when I am not given a reason. *hic

how about the fact that your contribution is virtually nil?

^This +100. Explain how we're supposed to think you're town when you say nothing all game and aren't scumhunting in the slightest?

[VP Baltar]

who is scum and why pwnz?

[VP Baltar]

Go get em VP! (note to self, mock vpb early to awake the dragon)

lol. I WAS PREPARING FOR V/LA YOU BASTARDS!

[VP Baltar]

Porkchop!I love your post 886. I knew you could do it. Welcome back.

I shot Ecto because he dared me to, which is something I tend to do as scum much more often than I do as town, so I figured it was a pretty safe bet.

Link me some instances where you as scum dared people to kill you.

Our mod had dropped off the face of the planet at that point, and you weren't painfully active yourself, so I don't think you should bring up my activity as a point against me.

What do either of those things have to do with you "catching flak" for lurking, which is what Porkchop was saying?

[VP Baltar]

Also, Cobalt, if you had to guess, why do you think the scum would kill Sotty over you since you're confirmed town?

[VP Baltar]

So are you simply proposing that we should shoot you pwnz? Not like you plan to contribute.

[VP Baltar]

Let's all be sure we reach an agreement before anyone shoots anyone. I may be alright with PE shooting pwnz though.

I'd like to see Jazz and Amished hash it out before we do anything.

@Jazz-I would like to hear some more opinions from you. Who do you think is scum and who do you think is town?

[VP Baltar]

Or shoot you for being dead weight.

[VP Baltar]

See my scum list printed earlier.

[VP Baltar]

You're claiming cop?

[VP Baltar]

Please full claim if so.

[VP Baltar]

Jazzmyn...time to claim.

[VP Baltar]

I take it you have a post restriction as well. Just one question though, why wait until now to claim your result?

[VP Baltar]

The second question in my post 893 has nothing to do with ongoing games.

[VP Baltar]

Yeah, you're scum.

[VP Baltar]

I want to hear from her first. If we figure out who is who first, we can put ourselves in an even better position.

Do you have a strong or weak shot PE?

[VP Baltar]

Oh, hush. I knew you had a bulletproof vest because I gave it to you. I was just trying to draw out scum. I think I know who they are now, though.
Gotta be pwnz and Amished.

Regards,
Jazz

What? How the hell did shooting cobalt "draw out scum"?

Also, if you don't answer my questions and full claim in your next post, PE has my blessing to turn you into swiss cheese.

I'm pretty sure that was a desperate attempt to kill obv. town Cobalt.

[VP Baltar]

Cobalt, I take it you don't have too much intension to heal her, but can you tell us if you actually just received a bulletproof vest last night?

And as far as the shots Amished, I don't see how strong or weak is indicative of PR. In fact, I don't think it is at all. I'd just rather have the information on the table so we know who could be an immediate threat if things get close and scum decide to take a shot.

If Jazzmyn flips scum, then I don't think we'll be in too much trouble, but if that happens this game has clearly shown that scum will get desperate and start throwing wild shots around if they feel pressured. It's basically just for informational purposes.

[VP Baltar]

so there was no bullet proof vest.

[VP Baltar]

I'm leaning toward benmage or nacho. It's a pretty small pool of suspects we are dealing with here really unless the scum pulled some crazy ass gambit somewhere in there.

[VP Baltar]

The whole bulletproof vest thing confounds me. The mod flavour seems to indicate that this actually did happen, but Cobalt still being wounded works against this. Hmm, maybe Jazz is the sheriff (garnering her the additional ability) but the vest is only truly effective against weak shots and reduces lethal shots to wounding shots? It's all a bit moot now, I suppose.

There wasn't actually a vest is my understanding. Cobalt healed himself. You should shoot scumbag Jazzmyn and put her out of her misery so we can move on.

@Amished-Play better. I'm fairly certain you're town given the scumbags' attacks on you, but I can't make heads or tails of what you're getting at this game.

[VP Baltar]

What do people think about massclaim today? We only have one scum left and I think we should be able to put the final nail in this coffin without going to night.

[VP Baltar]

I do and I will probably use it. I don't think going to night is going to be necessary and massclaim is likely to guarantee that.

[VP Baltar]

You're not choosing the order. We'll go with a majority choice of who goes first and then popcorn.

I nominate nacho to go first.

[VP Baltar]

After massclaim, i'll inform you. If you have any kind of a town read, trust me.

[VP Baltar]

I live life best on thin ice. Seriously though, it'll all make sense for you once mass claim is over.

[VP Baltar]

If nothing else, I'm a man of my word.

[VP Baltar]

Now, why would you ever doubt that....





mwhahahahahhahahaa *stops abruptly*


Oh...you're still here.

[VP Baltar]

Happy scum day, Ben!

@Amished-I'm ok with that if it's what nacho wants. The point of popcorn claiming is to randomize the order. If you're very set on wanting me to go first, then just say so and let the majority decide.

[VP Baltar]

Cobalt and pwnz, thoughts on massclaim and who should go first?

[VP Baltar]

my info is pretty valuable (imo) and I'd prefer to go later rather than earlier. However, if I end up having to go early by the town's decision, then so be it.

[VP Baltar]

That's a majority I think. Go ahead and claim nacho and then choose who you want to claim after you.

[VP Baltar]

I am a Town Marshall as well. I am Sotty's mason cop partner. We were sent to this town by the federal government to take care of the problems here.

win con is to eliminate the anti-town threats

Sotty and I could night talk and investigate. I don't know my sanity for certain, but last night I investigated Porkchop and received an innocent result. Right now, I'm inclined to believe that is accurate.

Now, Amished, the reason I believe it is nacho or ben as the last scum is due to my personal process of elimination. I have PE as innocent, pwnz is tracker, Cobalt is doc, you had scum coming after you, and I'm the cop. That only leaves ben or nacho as legit possibilities.

Sotty and I were both inclined to believe that ben was town by his play yesterday (though this is far from a guarantee), so nacho pretty much needs to be dead if you ask me.

PE could be godfather as well (I like ben's idea that the sheriff could be GF), but I don't know what evidence there is for that.

What I haven't been able to fully understand so far this game is what powers the scum really have to balance Sotty and I. Mason cops is pretty much a brick shithouse and I don't see much from scum to counter that yet. It has crossed my mind that there could be four of them...but I dunno.

I'd like ben to claim next.

[VP Baltar]

is it dependent upon ben claiming? If it's just about my claim, you may as well go ahead and we can discuss it.

[VP Baltar]

I'm also of the opinion that strong shot = scum, so I'm sure that helps my feelings on my position on you.

Except for Jazz having a weak shot that only wounded cobalt.

Also, if it wasn't blatantly obvious (looking at you Amished) that Sotty and I were confirmed masons, I don't know what would be. Why would she be so assuredly buddying with me and I with her if we were neighbors?

We were actually quite confused as to why nobody was apparently catching on. The cop part wouldn't be obvious, of course, but masons should have been a slam dunk for anyone.

Also, nacho, pwnz has already claimed his investigation. That is why jazz is dead.

As far as your plan about lynching me...yeah, not going to happen.

[VP Baltar]

We don't know that. We have that she shot cobalt, and cobalt immediately healed himself. Strong shots don't necessarily have to kill in an instant.

Check what Vi wrote about Cobalt being wounded and then get back to me. Also, if strong shots don't kill in an instant, then what is the difference between them and weak shots?

When you're neighbors with someone day 1 and you have a town power role, you had better buddy up with them. Because if your neighbor thinks you're a threat to them and they just happen to be scum, they can kill you without a trace.

lol, no.

Maybe it was strange to us because masons usually don't come in a pair.

Ah, the elusive single mason. How can masons not be paired?

By process of elimination, you've found scum to me either me or ben. So, my plan takes out all of your scum possibilities in exchange for your sacrifice... Why doesn't this sound like a good deal to you?

Because it involves lynching a cop, which is idiotic.

[VP Baltar]

While it is likely that Amished and Cobalt are town, I don't think it's guaranteed.

You could have at least waited for massclaim to shoot.

[VP Baltar]

yeah, who doesn't really!

Bleed faster (and claim), Ben.

[VP Baltar]

It does have me worried that one of the town PRs is actually scum. Like I said, I don't understand what the scum have that could balance sotty and I.

We'll see what ben flips. I'm doubtful there are three cops in this game.

[VP Baltar]

I don't plan to spend my bullet on someone who is dying today. I hate to wait too, but we might need it later.

And I agree that ben is being uncharacteristically quiet. Ben, if you are the last scum and you're dying, you may as well let us know and I'll just finish you off so we can stop staring at this thread waiting for the paint to dry.

[VP Baltar]

This is satisfying.

Daykill: benmage

[VP Baltar]

lol, it was more frustrating that no one was listening to me!

[VP Baltar]

you did a good job though, ben. Had it not been for PoE, you probably would have made it out of today. This is the first time I've actually seen you as scum I think. I'll give my thoughts on the setup once I see it, but yeah Sotty and I were very confused after we got our roles.

[VP Baltar]

It is rather funny that what worried me most in this game, scum having daykills, ended up being their demise because even at the slightest bit of lynch pressure the immediate response was to open fire. Jazz's shot was especially unnecessary (though she or Amished were probably where my vote was going to end up for the day).

[VP Baltar]

Oh for crying out loud.

[VP Baltar]

Amished, you still need to claim, right?

[VP Baltar]

It'd be weird to have a tracker 3rd party. I don't know what the 3rd party role would be though. Lyncher perhaps?

[VP Baltar]

It's possible. I haven't understood his eagerness for my lynch.

[VP Baltar]

EBWOP: might make some flavor sense too. Jealous sheriff wins by killing the federal marshall(s) that came to his town.

[VP Baltar]

I'd like Amished to claim and then PE, personally.

[VP Baltar]

I need to look at some things before I come to my decision. I'm ruling pwnz out as a possibility. I'm not sure which of the other three it could be. I could see a lyncher either being one of our claimed vanillas or even the healer (having the ability to heal your needed lynch target would be very beneficial indeed).

We could also have an SK on our hands who just happened to target the same person as the scum last night. If that's the case, my guess is that it's Amished since Sotty was on him yesterday.

[VP Baltar]

And happy scumday, Amished! If I ever needed to raise a barn, you'd be the first person I call.

[VP Baltar]

But if you're third party, you're hunting of the cowboys would be legit.

I'm debating with myself if a no lynch is the best action at this juncture. We're well ahead in the count and a night of pwnz and I working our magic could be very beneficial. Pwnz has limited choices to track and I can investigate. If there is a kill (on me presumably) and pwnz tracks someone who doesn't target me, that person is confirmed innocent.

That would leave pwnz and said target with the last scum being among two of PCE, Amished, Cobalt. Should be an easy victory.

If we no lynch and there is no kill tonight, it will be likely that we are dealing with a lyncher. I'll have my investigation, but I don't know if I would get anything on a third party or not. In the case of a no kill situation over night, I think the best plan tomorrow would be to have a shoot 'em up. Amished and PCE would shoot each other. If we didn't win then, I'd shoot one of pwnz and Cobalt (probably Cobalt). If we still haven't won then (ie pwnz is lyncher and I'm his target), we go to night again so I can get another bullet and shoot pwnz ftw.

Flaws, questions, comments with this plan?

[VP Baltar]

Question: Why'd you two decide to investigate PCE last night?

Sotty and I both got an investigation actually. She tried to investigate you and I went after PCE.

PCE was my choice because his play here has been very very different from my town meta of him and I couldn't tell if that was because he was scum or was just having a bad game, which we are all prone to from time to time.

And yeah, I still don't know what my sanity is, so I'm not putting too much stock in my investigation at the moment. Sotty and I were hoping to figure out each others' sanities after N2...but that plan is down the tubes now.

The only reason i'm suggesting a no lynch is because if the third party is a lyncher, it would essentially stop their chances of winning...which sucks for them, but I've lost two games this week and don't have much pity in that regard.

I need to look back at your third party talk around d3x, Amished. There was something weird in there I want to look at.

[VP Baltar]

You make a good point about the lyncher probably not being factional, Cobalt. I'm probably down for lynching Amished today I guess.

[VP Baltar]

lol.

You have to admit that zor is less than 32

[VP Baltar]

So we generally believe that an SK tried to kill Sotty last night on top of the scum kill on her? If that is the case, we need to be lynching Amished and not PCE here.

[VP Baltar]

Vote: Amished

Do these heathens celebrate Christmas? I don't know. I don't care. This is the wild west and it's time for this varmit to die.

[VP Baltar]

Wow, that kind of reaction from one vote? Also, who said this has anything to do with a case. PoE is more powerful than circumstantial evidence any day.

[VP Baltar]

I don't inherently disagree with your plan. If the third party really is inv. immune, then I'm pretty useless anyhow. I do think pwnz is much more useful and that is who cobalt should protect, unless we want to save a bullet for tomorrow.

That being said, if you're town Amished, what use does voting yourself actually achieve? I'd be very happy going into the night with a no lynch and then you two shoot each other tomorrow, leaving us with a shot from me if we need it (assuming Cobalt protects me and pwnz is killed. If one of you is killed overnight in an attempt by the scum to not get shot, then I shoot Cobalt just to be sure and pwnz and I lynch the remaining person ftw.

I think my plan is air tight, honestly, but I do realize you guys aren't sure if I'm town (though I think I am pretty confirmed by Sotty's death and our obvious masonry).

[VP Baltar]

Sorry...that plan involves pwnz dying and living. Scratch that.

[VP Baltar]

Yeah, ok. I don't even make sense to myself. My plan makes sense to me again. Thanks PCE!

What are your thoughts on that plan?

[VP Baltar]

Unvote

Yeah, I'll wait and hear from others, but to me it just seemed like Amished's plan basically maximizes his own chances of being around tomorrow (hence why my vote landed there).

[VP Baltar]

I want any solution that we come up with. The only problem that I see with a NL is that if I'm wrong and PCE isn't scum; with the NK we're left with 4; and PCE/me cross shooting would lose the game instantly.

No it doesn't. If Cobalt protects me tonight, I'll still be around to shoot the other person tomorrow and auto win. I realize you have some trepidation about me being town, but seriously this would be an epic gambit beyond the realm of my feeble mind to claim mason-cop-strong shot if I was actually scum. The proof is there in the thread from my interaction with Sotty.

[VP Baltar]

Yes, but I have a gun and pwnz claims to not have a gun....so the beauty is that Cobalt can WIFOM the scum on the kill and either way we will have an acceptable course to pursue tomorrow (either my shot or pwnz's track) that will likely lead us to the win.

[VP Baltar]

Yep. Let's not waste anymore time with this debate and just win this game.

Vote: No Lynch

[VP Baltar]

Thanks for the easy win scum. Amished and PE, shoot each other now for pwnz and my entertainment!


Do it! Do it! Do it! Do it!

[VP Baltar]

I investigated Cobalt last night to be certain. Got an innocent result, which means I'm sane and PE is town.

That leaves Amished and pwnz as potential scum. Of course, Amished not following the plan pretty much indicates to me that he's scum in his last ditch effort at something (I don't know what he hopes to accomplish).

I suggest he shoots pwnz now since I know for sure that PE is innocent.

VP: Is pwnz 100% confirmed town *to you*?

I would say I'm 99% sure he's town.

[VP Baltar]

How could you possibly get a no result? I wonder if the SK has a RB and a kill then?

I still want Amished to shoot pwnz and then if still no scum, I'll deal with PE (thought that would be some serious bastard modding with my investigations). Mostly likely Amished is scum and this game will be done when he is dead.

[VP Baltar]

Now that you are both dying, which of you is scum so I can finish you and this game. My impatience is getting the bette of me.

[VP Baltar]

Thought you didn't have a shot?

[VP Baltar]

EBWOP: Also, are you claiming scum now pwnz?

[VP Baltar]

So you're a one-shot vig tracker.....ok.


Well, I'm not scum. Once we're dead I guess we'll win because PE pretty much has to be town from my investigation.

I wanted to be the "Last Man Standing". Ah well, I'll take "Second to Last Man Standing".

[VP Baltar]

Oh hell. No one can say I didn't go out without a fight.

Daykill: Amished

I took a bullet for you PE....a frakking bullet!

...and dead.