Newbie 1002: Nowherevilletownplace (D3)

[Furcolow]

one rabbit stew comin' right up

[Furcolow]

ni

[Furcolow]

I am not the black knight, sorry, no
I am much more like the Frenchmen up in the tower, just on the good side this time.

[Furcolow]

vote: spencer102

for failing

[Furcolow]

why is spencer102 now "to be decided"? I feel like I've caught scum already

[Furcolow]

I was joking, obviously. It's the RVS.

[Furcolow]

el simo, are you familiar with teamliquid.net?

[Furcolow]

1) I've played extensively on another site, and a bit on this one. I'm in like 6-7 games on here.
2) With me it can be, as scum I am fairly unhelpful
3) I have a girlfriend, and a few bad habits (nothing serious). I play starcraft among other things.
4) Tough call. I love a lot of different things. Possibly some sort of seafood pasta.

unvote
vote: oobazzoo

his survey had 3) listed twice.
total scumtell.

[Furcolow]

Zenken, what do you mean to ask people what they do in town? And if it means what I think it means - and that is mass claiming - then it's not really a good idea. Especially since it would get town nowhere, since it's an open setup and the scum can easily claim town, and it would provide very harmful information to scum. But if this isn't what you had in mind... what did you mean?

I actually wouldn't mind a sorted roleclaim
There would definitely be too many townie claims, and we could get a higher % of lynching scum

[Furcolow]

it would make it easier to lynch scum, but harder to protect out power roles (if they were dumb and claimed a power role)
it would probably end up with everyone claiming townie, and wouldn't help anything. the medic or dt would obviously claim townie, too, so i guess it wouldn't help

take your vote off me if you're town
if you're scum, though, i'll catch you sooner or later kanashimi

[Furcolow]

@ Furcolow - why the sudden change of view?

I am just testing the waters with my day 1 policies
people know how to play the game
I am a newbie even if I am an SE, honestly. I am pretty bad at this game, which is why I'm playing in this, hoping to get better by playing with people closer to my skill level.

I am going to go back, do a re-read, and I'll get back with you in this next post.

[Furcolow]

I want everyone to go and re-read el simo and zenken on page 3

read it as if el simo is town and zenken is mafia, and tell me what you think
it's enough for me to put my vote on zenken, honestly, i feel like he is our scum lynch for today

@Mod
Unvote;
vote: Zenken

[Furcolow]

This is I, Zenken, confirming in thread... because I am supposed to

o

.

Notice the incorrect word usage? Scum do that more often than town, in my opinion. I do it as scum, but not when I am a townie.

Well... I wish I coulda known who killed our Hermit... and why I should care, if he was a hermit, who did he bother? Gah

Vote : el simo

because I dislike Rambo.

This is not even a good random vote.

1) Never before, I didn't even know about MAfia until someone told me about it a few weeks back.
2) I don't understand this.... this inside term thing annoys me.
3) Watching Trueblood.
4) Uhm.... uh.... uhm..... Ice cream?

Typing seems nervous, lots of elipsii, and he holds the shift key too long when typing "mafia" because he is hyper-aware of the fact that he is scum.

Sorry, I was using quick reply.

Quicktime? Seriously? What the hell is quick reply? Sounds a lot like you have a mafia thread to me, buddy.

I've heard these games don't just go from zero to sixty in five seconds, things take time. I'm more then willing to let some of the more experienced players sorta steer this, unless I get some sort of bright ideas. Is it possible to ask people what they do in town? This isn't a question I want everyone to answer, this is just curiosity.

"what they do in town" ???
seriously?
He doesn't want "everyone" to answer it, he is just curious, because he is mafia needing to learn how to act as town.

Case closed.

[Furcolow]

This is I, Zenken, confirming in thread... because I am supposed to

o

.

Notice the incorrect word usage? Scum do that more often than town, in my opinion. I do it as scum, but not when I am a townie.

Well... I wish I coulda known who killed our Hermit... and why I should care, if he was a hermit, who did he bother? Gah

Vote : el simo

because I dislike Rambo.

This is not even a good random vote.

1) Never before, I didn't even know about MAfia until someone told me about it a few weeks back.
2) I don't understand this.... this inside term thing annoys me.
3) Watching Trueblood.
4) Uhm.... uh.... uhm..... Ice cream?

Typing seems nervous, lots of elipsii, and he holds the shift key too long when typing "mafia" because he is hyper-aware of the fact that he is scum.

Sorry, I was using quick reply.

Quicktime? Seriously? What the hell is quick reply? Sounds a lot like you have a mafia thread to me, buddy.

I've heard these games don't just go from zero to sixty in five seconds, things take time. I'm more then willing to let some of the more experienced players sorta steer this, unless I get some sort of bright ideas. Is it possible to ask people what they do in town? This isn't a question I want everyone to answer, this is just curiosity.

"what they do in town" ???
seriously?
He doesn't want "everyone" to answer it, he is just curious, because he is mafia needing to learn how to act as town.

Case closed.

I would make a pretty horrible MAfia, exposing myself on the first day wouldn't I? Ha;f of this discussion was about the lack of MAfia lynching on the first day, I may be a noob, but I think it's obvious, making me a Mafia would be in poor tastes, I'm too inexperienced to be of any use to the mob. Unless I would just be a pity kill for thw townies to make them feel better, I honestly placed el simo as a mafia, being as high and mighty as he was, trying to cast himself in light on the first day in order to hide his actions during night. Placing me as a Mafia isn't exactly, a good idea, I'm an asshole, not a Mafia.

You're taking my typing habits as a sign I'm Mafia? That's odd, it would be nice to have references from this site to quote that I type like this all the time. I hold shift for to long almost constantly, and my left hand is faster then my right, so like, usually ends up liek, and I press the next key to fast when holding shift for my capitols. I am in no way a very solid writer and typer, this I admit freely, and would in any other circumstance if you were to ask me without the accusation. Also, this -is- my first game ever. I do not know how to play Town or Mafia, so your point remains that I was trying to learn how to play town, but you miss the fact I don't know how to play either.

Playing the noob card, and still making the same nervous twitches I called you out on.

@ Kanashimi
I have no idea :3

Vote: Furcolow

^ For voting me, with poor reasoning, but, knowing it's the first day, all reasoning is poor reasoning.

Blatant OMGUS vote here. Vote the guy who outs you as scum. Obvious. Zenken is mafia.

[Furcolow]

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I would make a pretty horrible MAfia, exposing myself on the first day wouldn't I? Ha;f of this discussion was about the lack of MAfia lynching on the first day, I may be a noob, but I think it's obvious, making me a Mafia would be in poor tastes, I'm too inexperienced to be of any use to the mob. Unless I would just be a pity kill for thw townies to make them feel better, I honestly placed el simo as a mafia, being as high and mighty as he was, trying to cast himself in light on the first day in order to hide his actions during night. Placing me as a Mafia isn't exactly, a good idea, I'm an asshole, not a Mafia.

This perhaps the first time you've explained your vote with any real reason.

Essentially you are voting me for trying to appear too townie, correct?

Well, thinking it Retrospect, yeah, I was Voting you because you seemed -too- townie, thinking about it now, why suspect the most unsuspecting, paranoia. I'm a townie looking over my shoulder. Furcolow gave me a better Vote. We'll just see how things turn out.

'furcolow is voting for me, so he is now a better vote'

this may be a noobie game, but there is NO excuse for play this bad

[Furcolow]

IF kanashimi revotes me before hammer, or hammers me, he is likely zenken's partner.

[Furcolow]

@mod votecount

[Furcolow]

zenken is a plausible lynch
he is scummy as fuck this game
don't give me "defend yourself" or meta bullshit
just listen to me and do what im telling you to do

[Furcolow]

because you are scum

[Furcolow]

claim-time?

[Furcolow]

unvote me if you are town voting for me, or i'm going to claim, and help scum

[Furcolow]

well not purposefully help scum, but you get my drift. it helps them to know our roles.

[Furcolow]

if i am a townie, and they know that, it makes it easier for them to hit a power role

[Furcolow]

do you want me to claim?
I don't need a defense. There is no case on me whatsoever. The only reason people have voted on me recently are because of these reasons:

Zenken: Voted me because I caught him as scum
You: Voted me because I caught your partner as scum

That is the entirety of the case on me, with people disliking a roleclaim. I wasn't even wanting to mass roleclaim, or I would have done it myself. Regardless, it is time for me to roleclaim if anyone else is considering voting me. If you are, tell me, and we can settle this like men.

[Furcolow]

When saying I didn't want a mass roleclaim, I was simply seeing who would react to it in what way, that is all

[Furcolow]

While you're here, would you mind unvoting me? Your vote on me is largely unhelpful to the town and any

actual

scumhunting

[Furcolow]

I'm a detective.

[Furcolow]

IM THE COP
DETECTIVE IS ANOTHER NAME FOR A COP
JEEZ
DONT LYNCH ME

[Furcolow]

WOW SERIOUSLY UNVOTE ME IM THE COP/DETECTIVE

[Furcolow]

i am a cop, and in threat of a lynch, what else can i do maddie? you questioning my motives = scummy

[Furcolow]

mafia will be too scared to counterclaim. that's trading a goon for a detective, not a good trade for them

[Furcolow]

No scum would claim cop in this setup
too risky. If there's a roleblocker, they know they can't. If there isn't, that's still 50/50. No sane scum would do that, so I am honestly confirmed until someone counter-claims, which they won't. What are you even challenging me for spotlight in the thread for? Because you're scum? That's the only reason. Go ahead, give yourself away, and hammer me.

If anyone hammers me, when I flip cop, be sure to avenge my death guys.

[Furcolow]

They should have to say that you still spotlighting considering i've claimed a town powerrole in a 9 person setup is scummy and lynch-worthy

unvote
vote: maddie

[Furcolow]

hope you're the roleblocker, sister

[Furcolow]

My English > your English.
You are not helping by cluttering the thread.
Just remain quiet, and get out of my spotlight.
I am a claimed cop, keep to the shadows townie.
If you are a medic, act like a townie and keep to the shadows, honestly.
There is no reason for you to keep responding to me.

I am the cop, I have the spotlight, shut up.

[Furcolow]

Um. No.
We are forced to roleclaim now, basically, unless you are a medic/doctor, in which case you should lie (and protect me)

Maddie is scum
She is our lynch
I get to pick because I am the detective

[Furcolow]

I'm either going to be killed or roleblocked
I'll get back to you all on which setup it is tomorrow, guys.
I have a feeling there is a medic who will hopefully protect me, even if I am going to be roleblocked, because they might roleblock and use their hit on me. Having a player confirmed like I am via a claim is actually a powerful thing.

sure, it sucks I won't be able to get my checks unless we kill their roleblocker, because i'll be dying if they don't have one, but at least today we have a 1/8 chance instead of a 1/9 chance. That's not that bad. 12.5% is better than 11.1111111111%. I would rather get everyone claiming townie now, because if scum have the balls to counter-claim me our lynch goes to 50%. I'll take that. I wish I didn't have to claim, but that's your guys fault for voting me over false pretenses.

Moving on from this, I am fairly certain Maddie is scum. She didn't know when to back off the thread, which is something a townie would do. Townies know not to take over the thread when there is a power role present. She took over the thread when there was a power role present. She is not a townie.

Lynchable.

[Furcolow]

I am going to bed. Unvote me, and lynch anyone who counterclaims.

[Furcolow]

I am the cop
unvote me idiots

[Furcolow]

I am not going to play in this thread until the town starts unvoting me
what the hell

[Furcolow]

The fact I'm sitting here at L-1 after claiming cop 10 hours ago or so is ludicrous, sykedoc. I know they're newbies, but CMON.

[Furcolow]

funny
what about the policy you don't lynch a claimed cop on day 1

and news flash
i really am a cop

[Furcolow]

Yes and no.
I believe that if he knew that a Mafia Roleblocker was alive, he would try to role-fish Cop, as he would die anyway if he claimed Vanilla Townie. So he did it, and was good enough to don't have any counter-claims.

notice the bad grammar/word usage which is indicative of scum

funny how i've been getting onto zenken for that, then kanashimi slips up really bad for it

unvote
vote; zenken

I'm not 100% kanashimi is scum. He might just be really bad as town. Regardless, whoever is voting for me, I am going to repeat myself for the 50th time: I am a cop, unvote me. I am a confirmed town member until there is a counter-claim, which there won't be, because scum won't risk counterclaiming me. They are either going to kill me tonight if they don't have a roleblocker, roleblock me if they do, and possibly kill me too.

If we have a medic(doctor), protect me, because I am the detective(cop).

[Furcolow]

you're 80% sure but unvoting? scum
sucks that you tried to push on the cop, doesn't it?

[Furcolow]

ok, i'm not a confirmed cop, but i am a cop

[Furcolow]

@El simo
don't say "HE IS NOT A COP"

If it wouldn't get me modkilled, I would post my bloody role PM *RIGHT NOW*

[Furcolow]

unvote: zenken
vote: el simo

doubting a claimed cop is scummy.
you DO NOT lynch a claimed cop on day 1 in this setup.
I DIDNT WANT TO HAVE TO CLAIM, BUT YOU GUYS PUT ME AT L-1.

[Furcolow]

yeah, but his post has words just straight up missing
I've always viewed that as a scumtell ever since my first game as scum I was so nervous I couldn't even type correctly lol

That's why I was on zenken's case so bad, but his unvoting me alleviates my suspicion of him. If he was scum, and I was the cop (which I am), he would stop at nothing for me to die.

Posting mod PM is modkillable IIRC

[Furcolow]

8) Loophole usage is not acceptable and will result in one or multiple strikes. You know the general rules, if I forgot something DO NOT take advantage of it or I will slice you up into salad.

[Furcolow]

I don't want to be sliced up into salad. I want to at least make the mafia use a kill/roleblock on me tonight, possibly both.

[Furcolow]

If lobstermania doesn't deliver tonight, or if El Simo flips scum, take a good hard look at him

[Furcolow]

denseness, zenken.

[Furcolow]

"a rule making very apparent with your actions" re-word this into proper english, please.
I won't be able to investigate, honestly. I'll either be killed or roleblocked.

How am I giving indications of scum when I am a cop? You are so scummy. you just said "you won't die, don't accuse, investigate" followed by "you just may not die" at the end of paragraph 2. Nice flip-flop.

You are scum or a Village Idiot. Why did I ever unvote you.....

[Furcolow]

you DO NOT lynch a claimed cop on day 1. Better, oobazzoo?
I'll not post for awhile, unless you all need me.

[Furcolow]

if there is a medic, please, for the love of god, protect me until we can kill their roleblocker
i say this in all honesty, having had to claim against my will, wishing that this game could have gone differently
if, i've had to claim, which you really need to believe me on, i would want us to play our hand as justly as possible.
If there is a medic out there, and you protect me, the most they can do is roleblock me.
That way, not only will you not be roleblocked, we will know what the setup is on day 2 which would help us as a town via me
Then, I would be a confirmed townie

@Medic/Doctor: do NOT protect someone else. We need to be able to tell what the setup is. If I die, let it only be because it is the setup where there are townies besides the cop, and no roleblocker.

If we can lynch the roleblocker, or a goon, we are in good shape. I am going to be killed tonight if there is no medic. If I rolecheck a medic, should I say he is a townie? That is my gut instinct, but I don't want to have to lie.

[Furcolow]

i just died in a game i claimed cop on day 1 as scum
figured you all would find this interesting
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=14990

[Furcolow]

The difference is this is a known setup

[Furcolow]

semi-known. we have 2 options.
a). roleblocker, goon, medic, detective, townie, townie, townie, townie, townie
b). goon, goon, dt, townie x 6

[Furcolow]

dt = cop, pardon tri post

[Furcolow]

I'm here, if anyone has any questions, or wants to convince me to vote someone

[Furcolow]

good call, kanashimi.
I will, however, not be useless if we can kill the roleblocker if there is a doctor.
Otherwise, I am guaranteed to die tonight, unless scum believe they can get a mislynch on me, but when I can safely say Maddie is townie, or el simo is scum (via a rolecheck), that would help me tremendously so I doubt scum will take that risk whatsoever of using that strategy in relation to me.

I hated to have to claim. I was very happy with my role, but I will be more happy if the town wins without me than loses with me

[Furcolow]

who is most likely the roleblocker?
we need to come together to lynch someone today. a random lynch > a no lynch d1 as town

[Furcolow]

vote: lobstermania

he has been lurking, and ALWAYS catching up
i feel this wagon would be good pressure on him for the town

[Furcolow]

agree on all but nullness
it may be, and usually is, but not always. someone could see they have a wagon on them and not even really want to deal with it.

[Furcolow]

I'm not saying you can, am I?
It's all good, though, I know what you mean.

Do you believe he is scum? because I do.

[Furcolow]

frozenaeon, i dont believe i have voted you, have i?
want me to change that?

[Furcolow]

... I am a claimed cop, with no counterclaim, in a fairly open setup, and you're voting me?

vote: zenken

that vote on me is scummy
you deserve to be lynched for trying to kill a town power role
i am not scum, if you are town you need to unvote me, and i dont care if i'm omgusing you because i know my role and the thread should know my role since i was forced to claim at L-1
you voting me is preposterous, and you have literally no reason to do so unless you are scum

[Furcolow]

to quote el simo:
this to me is very scummy logic, scum would want Furcolow lynched to save them a night kill.

[Furcolow]

I am a cop.
I will be the kill, I am your shield.
What more do I need to say to prove to you that I am going to be dying in the night, or protected by a medic?
If we lynch a roleblocker, you will know that there is actually a cop, which is ME, and we will be able to coordinate better to find the last scum in the night if you could continue to protect me.

If there is not a medic out there, and if there is, even if I get mislynched remain hidden

I am suspicious of people wanting to lynch a claimed cop
Zenken and FrozenAeon
either of them is a good lynch in terms of sheer gameplay and proper strategy in this game
you do not lynch an uncounterclaimed cop in this setup, no way.
50% of games will have a cop, and definitely not 100% will have a cop claim. The fact I was claiming at 1 person away from my lynch on L-1, makes me confirmed town, if anything.

Please use your brains, guys, this is a plea for us to be united

[Furcolow]

Seconded!

[Furcolow]

my flip would prove my claim

[Furcolow]

Yes. If you all lynched me, you would know as I know that this is one of two setups. Townies, me, and the scum, or a doctor, townies, me, and the scum. it's one or the other.

if there is a medic out there, you need to protect me.
if you are town, you need to do some scumhunting.
i will be dying tonight if there is not a medic, so we need me alive to figure out the setup. if i don't die, it is because they roleblocked me, or they believe they can get me lynched. f they do that, though, i'll be able to safely say someone's role tomorrow, so they won't risk that imo.

[Furcolow]

1) we need to lynch someone who isn't a claimed power role, as a random lynch > a no lynch on day 1 for town
2) we should consider lynching someone who is inactive/in need of replacement as their slot cannot be held accountable
3) if i need to, i will attempt to do analysis, but i really am a cop, and i really did just wake up. i am posting in this game FIRST.

[Furcolow]

agreed

[Furcolow]

zenken's entire last post was scummy as hell and was basically a giant AtE with little to no reasoning for voting me. If you think I am the "boy crying wolf", in a setup where a cop is 50% likely, which percentage rises WAY higher with a day 1 L-1 claim, you are either a VI or scum faking being a VI trying to confuse everyone. I am leaning towards the latter.

I, too, am happy with where my vote is. Zenken is scum or will be completely unhelpful. I, at least, will be a night kill, a roleblock (which will give us a lot of information about the setup via whether or not it happens or i'm killed), or will actually get to have an investigation. I am going to say I am going to be investigating Maddie tonight.

[Furcolow]

I just realized I claimed at L-3, because el simo typed I was at L-1 on the same page, and confused me

[Furcolow]

unvote: zenken

if my vote is on him
i actually am readin him as VI as people have been recently

zenken, detective = cop. it is not "a type of cop", it is the name for the cop role on teamliquid.net's mafia subdivision on their forums.
it is fine you don't believe me, but vote someone else. you DO NOT lynch a claimed cop on day 1.

[Furcolow]

unvote
vote: bazz

[Furcolow]

wagon go, gut scum read

reasons for any who want them

[Furcolow]

a chance? an un counter-claimed cop is at LEAST 50% likely to be a cop, i would actually say more than 50%

[Furcolow]

THIS POST IS UNDER THE ASSUMPTION YOU ARE NOT DUMB AND BELIEVE I AM THE COP:

a random lynch is better than a no lynch
I am the most confirmed for a day 1, as I am an un counter claimed cop
Would people agree to letting me pick a random lynch via a Random Name Generator?
I will even include my own name if you all want

MightyDarkZero (replaces cloudocean)
Zenken
Maddie
Kanashimi
ooBAZZoo
FrozenAeon
Furcolow (SE)
lobstermania (SE)
el simo (IC)

1. FrozenAeon

2. MightyDarkZero (replaces cloudocean)
3. Zenken
4. lobstermania (SE)
5. Kanashimi
6. ooBAZZoo
7. Maddie
8. el simo (IC)
9. Furcolow (SE)

our lynch, randomly, which is better than a no lynch or this being dragged 3 more days to deadline is FrozenAeon. I did this once, and I would put my word as a man on that. I am also a cop, and am town, but I will get back to the point. FrozenAeon isn't a bad lynch NOT RANDOMLY. His posts have been dismissals of my claim, which, I agree my play has been terrible, but my claim shouldn't be being talked about whatsoever. People should be scumhunting elsewhere from the claimed cop, and this isn't even acceptable for a newbie game to do this.

I'm going to vote for him, as the list randomly had this at the top. I urge anyone who is town to vote with me on this, as I can be the voice of the town for only this one day cycle so use me while you all still have me!!!

vote: frozenaeon

[Furcolow]

i went to a random list generator, and even put my own name in it
it is better than a no lynch for the town, or a mislynch on a claimed cop
i am trying to help
the fact you are lurking and not posting until i voted you is pretty telling that the random name generator was a success

el simo's refusal to vote is noted

[Furcolow]

well, ok, if you all are both town, who are we lynching? we need to lynch someone, are you all ok with me putting names in a RNG after our 3 names are taken out?

[Furcolow]

There were 6 items in your list. Here they are in random order:

1. ooBAZZoo
2. Maddie
3. MightyDarkZero (replaces cloudocean)
4. Kanashimi
5. lobstermania (SE)
6. FrozenAeon

[Furcolow]

oops i messed up, let me try that again

[Furcolow]

There were 6 items in your list. Here they are in random order:

1. Kanashimi
2. lobstermania (SE)
3. MightyDarkZero (replaces cloudocean)
4. ooBAZZoo
5. Zenken
6. Maddie

[Furcolow]

unvote: frozenaeon
vote: kanashimi

[Furcolow]

well, considering i'm the leading wagon with 2 votes, i would urge the town to consolidate votes around me. Thanks.

[Furcolow]

ridiculous does not mean i am not the cop, though, bro
therefore, we NEED TO PICK SOMEONE AS A TOWN


I vote we re-initiate the RVS
lets start this day fresh
or schedule a time we can be online. I can be online anytime, so I will abstain from picking a time.

[Furcolow]

I am sort of against re-initiating the RVS, but it's an idea. lol
People other than me need to scumhunt, as noone really believes anything I'm saying other than I'm the cop which is true.

Having a confirmed town player isn't bad, though having the most votes on one is definitely confusing.
I am going to go and do a vote count

[Furcolow]

Vote Count:
L-3 Furcolow - 2 - Zenken, FrozenAeon
L-4 el simo - 1 - ooBAZZoo
L-4 Zenken - 1 - el simo
L-4 Kanashimi - 1 - Furcolow

Not Voting:
MightyDarkZero
Kanashimi
Maddie
lobstermania

9 alive, 5 to lynch

I am a claimed cop, why am I the top wagon? 0 sense

[Furcolow]

in order to lynch we need a majority... ok... i'm not worried anymore. Problem is, if the 2 people voting me are town, and no other town will shift towards them letting scum both vote me and hit 5 votes, and the townies wont come off, it will be impossible to lynch scum unless we get every single other vote on someone

my point of this post: zenken, frozenaeon need to unvote me if they're town, and we need a wagon very soon. this thread has been very, very slow so we need to pick a person to wagon.

I know you want to wagon zenken, el simo, and I am fine with that, but we need 5 people

for the noobs who don't read

>>>WE NEED 5 TOWN TO WAGON SOMEONE OR THERE WONT BE A LYNCH<<<

[Furcolow]

el simo, if you and i are both town, wouldnt lobstermania have to be scum? what is the policy on SEs and ICs and someone being scum? Can they all be town? That seems like it wouldn't be fair.

[Furcolow]

sigh

[Furcolow]

It's all good, thanks for hosting!

[Furcolow]

Well, consider that I've moderated, and know many moderators who pick who is what role........ yeah. But, totally, bro, you have such good points. That wasn't a scummy rant at all.

[Furcolow]

this is really the problem with this game. You are voting someone on little to no case because all of the newbs in this game, or the non SEs or ICs are largely not voting/voting for no reason/voting votes that no person who is not a newb would ever vote.

Am I any better? Somewhat. I've been playing 7 months, I know some taboo issues, such as YOU DO NOT VOTE A CLAIMED COP DAY 1.
I would also be wagoning someone regardless of my alignment by now if I wasn't stuck in the situation I'm in. I am an outed cop on day 1. This sucks very, very badly for me, so there is NO WAY I would ever replace out and have someone stuck in this sucky situation.

If you all aren't going to pick a lynch, I'm going to pick one for you. We need to lynch someone as a town, and we have to hit majority.

[Furcolow]

@bazz
also, I have offered MANY suggestions on how to lynch in a fair manner, I have done a votecount, and I have been the most active poster in the thread. There is no way you will get 5 votes on a claimed cop in an f11 on day 1 even in a newbie game, so don't even think about it.

furthermore, onto your "luck", i call bullshit.
A random lynch for us from my perspective is 1/8 which is 12.5% which is not "luck". It happens 1/8 randomly. That is probability.

I am interested in hearing from the other people in this game, specifically the ones not voting, and want to hear who they are willing to reach majority on. I will be killed in the night phase if there is no medic, so I'd like to help while I can.

[Furcolow]

I am the best player in the game. Who are you kidding?

[Furcolow]

putting pressure on me, while not be scummy, hurt the fucking town
bazz, do you believe i am a cop, yes or no?

[Furcolow]

15 pages isn't a lot. Half the game are lurking. Let's lynch a lurker, and make people post more.
I am a cop, I am going to die tonight unless there is a doctor in the house.

[Furcolow]

WE NEED A WAGON ON SOMEONE
START VOTING

[Furcolow]

ooBAZZoo IF YOU ARE NOT SCUM, WHY ARE YOU PUSHING ON A COP?
THERE IS NO REASON YOU WOULD BRING THIS BACK UP IF YOU WERE TOWN

UNVOTE
VOTE: ooBAZZoo

I AM THE COP
I AM DYING TONIGHT
GIVE ME A NIGHT IF YOU ARE NOT AN IDIOT

[Furcolow]

there is NO WAY you are going to get 2 more votes on me unless the 2 and a half people pushing me are all idiotic town

[Furcolow]

I claimed cop OVER TWO WEEKS AGO. DROP IT.

[Furcolow]

God you post a lot when it's night in my country.
@ el simo - a long day is preferable. So let's take our time in doing this. I don't think there's any way we can leave out the stunt Furcolow pulled by the end of the day, but we can still focus on getting info. If he is scum, we can always lynch him by the end of the day. If he is town, he already did the worst thing possible he could have done. So what else could he mess? He is no way an immediate danger. That's why I'd like to have a longer day. There is still room for discussion.

@ everyone - why do you think Furcolow claimed detective? Considering the existing possible setups for this game, he had a 50% chance of being counter-claimed and thus giving himself out. So why not just claim vanilla? Why would he risk so much?

This is the most important post in the re-read. There is no way in hell I would not claim vanilla town as scum. No way. No possible way. I'd rather be 1/6 people claiming townie or 1/7 (notice how i said claiming... there will be 5 or 6 townies in this scenario)

Maddie is definitely town or acting pro-town as scum due to the post above.

-- Not sure what to make of her, could be newb-town who isn’t that dedicated to the game, on the other hand, has given some reason for me to believe she’s scum. I don’t find her scummy enough to vote outright, but would vote her if needed to make a majority before deadline.

here's a way for me to take my vote off you
follow this line of thought, as I find her scummy as well

would you rather lynch someone you find halfway scummy, or someone who is a cop?
honestly, we need to majority someone. El Simo, though he might be scum, is not going to get lynched.

Where is maddie?
Where is lobstermania?
all these people are inactive
half the town is inactive, so what am I supposed to do to get a wagon? It is not like I am trying to cram a wagon down your throats, I have tried many ways to do it. I have tried an RNG, picking who I think is scummy, or simply asking you all to, but you all haven't voted at all in like a week, so this really needs to be addressed.

YOU ALL NEED TO VOTE SOMEONE OTHER THAN ME, IT DOESNT REALLY MATTER WHO IT IS

I WILL GIVE YOU SUGGESTIONS

1) I've been on this site since 2006, I've played well over 30 games and I've played every normal role.
2) No, for instance, most doctors tend to be quiet to try and avoid being night killed, or lynched even. It could also just be a matter of disinterest.
3) SC2 But seriously, my work contracted ended last Sunday so I'm now unemployed, my uni course starts in February (I'll be doing a bachelor of education) and I've spent all my money on a holiday to South Africa that I'm eagerly awaiting so I don't have much to spend on nights out with the boys or anything like that. Siiigh..
4) Meat, eggs and potatoes.

I didn't notice this, because you were talking about SC2, and as I usually skip RQS because I feel it is meaningless and not relating to mafia, but to address #3, I have been there both in the city of Cape Town and on a safari. It is a lovely place. After reading the rest of your iso up until August 30th, I started getting scummy vibes from you, but you stop when you realize you can't mislynch a cop. Maybe you wisened up as town, but perhaps you are being cautious of being associated with a mislynch on a cop and being the IC held accountable...

Well... I wish I coulda known who killed our Hermit... and why I should care, if he was a hermit, who did he bother? Gah

Vote : el simo

because I dislike Rambo.

This is the 3rd vote on el simo, so + scum points to zenken. The fact is comes on page 2 is even worse.

Unvote: el simo

. I don't see any reason for us to put him at L-2 yet, so random vote withdrawn.

This is a very protown move. Protown points to Maddie. Then she goes and casts the 3rd vote on me, turning 2 votes into a wagon. Scum points to offset her town points, but my gut is still telling me she is probably town.

@ el simo - I've got nothing against random votes. I just prefer not to put anyone in danger over something random. Now, random votes - in my book - are just to stir up discussion and they're also a little bit for fun, to break the ice and create a certain atmosphere. Past that point, if I don't have an actual reason, I don't keep my vote. I withdrew my vote because, again, imo, L-2 should be for a reason and I did not have one at that time.
At the same time, regarding Kanashimi's vote, I can understand his tendency of valuing an experienced player more. There is an argument of authority going on here, however much we may try to avoid it and be completely objective. I'm just surprised that would surprise you, el simo.

Here, she also says "L-2 should be for a reason", when she had little-to-no reason for putting me at L-2 before this point. She asked me a question about a concept scum WOULD NOT USE on day 1, and then votes me with no backing argument whatsoever "wanting answers". Very scummy.

@ Kanashimi
I have no idea :3

Vote: Furcolow

^ For voting me, with poor reasoning, but, knowing it's the first day, all reasoning is poor reasoning.

After I have started playing well on this page, casting doubt on zenken for being mafia, these two start voting me, or give reason to keep their vote on me. kanashimi and zenken attempt to get me lynched here, zenken with an omgus, and kanashimi giving no reason for keeping his vote on me. The above post I'm quoting shows both an OMGUS and scumbuddying tendencies which you may claim are newbie-friendly, but this is a newbie game.


So, based upon my re-read up until page 7, my play is scummie worthy for worst-town-play possible

town:
maddie
el simo
oobazzoo
furcolow

unsure:
lobstermania
cloudocean/mightydarkzero

feel scummy:
frozenaeon
kanashimi
zenken

[Furcolow]

vote: zenken

[Furcolow]

we need me alive to find out what format it is
plus if theres a medic the medic can save the detective until the roleblocker can be neutralized
this is all basic mafia, ooBAZZoo. Plus, it's not what you think you know, it's what you can convince everyone else.
You may be willing to vote for me, but are 5 people? are 3 townies willing to vote for a cop? or a medic... who knows if we even have a protective role at all. All I know is I'm the detective, and I'm going to henceforth call it the detective. Do not detract from my claim because I said "this smells like shit" instead of "this smells like poop". You're arguing over word choice, get over it. I come from a site where it is called a DT, not a cop.

You are criticizing my play, saying "you don't trust me", when I am the only person in the thread who has outed their role publicly in a truthful manner. What is not to trust about that? If you don't like me, fine, get over it and scumhunt someone else and ignore me.

You saying "you're just going to be killed anyways" is bullshit. WHY AM I GOING TO BE KILLED? BECAUSE TOWNIES CAN'T INVESTIGATE LIKE DETECTIVES.

[Furcolow]

also, in the game I claimed cop, how many posts did I make over one or two lines?
how many lists did I make?
how much effort did I put into it?

Not nearly as many as when I'm a detective.
Learn how to read a player.

[Furcolow]

and i mean in the game i claimed detective when i was actually scum... which was in an unknown setup.... and i knew the mafia kill was poisoning which implied a role stronger than a detective (there was, a vig). In F11 there is no way I would claim anything other than a townie as scum. No way. You would have to get a court order for me to claim detective as scum.

[Furcolow]

The least you could do would be voting someone who isn't claiming cop so we can get a lynch because a random lynch > a no lynch statistically for town

...duh

[Furcolow]

I am not going to be posting much in this thread. I'll be reading, so if you all want my opinion, you all may ask.

I will let you all scumhunt. I have given you all my lists, my vote, and my energy. I am going to withdraw as much energy as I've been putting out because until the night, if we don't have a medic... why should I? I'm either going to die, or we'll either get an investigation or know we have a medic.

Don't just roll over to anyone, though, look in your hearts to find the scum.

[Furcolow]

UNVOTE

Sorry

, it's been a busy weekend for me. I'm going to read-though and post some deeper thoughts tonight.

Sorry

folks. I've been traveling the past few days and haven't had as much time to compile my thoughts into a post. I will re-read tonight when I get home.
My apologies.

Sorry

all. I got side-tracked by my real life and figured I had been replaced here. As long as I'm still included, give me an hour and I'll re-read the thread.

Again,

my apologizes

for vanishing for a week.

The other 2 posts he has past the RQS are all fluff
Here is is lynch for today

vote: lobstermania

[Furcolow]

im willing to put mightdarkzero into semi town at this point, too

[Furcolow]

thanks
lets get zenken, frozenaeon, anyone who wants to convince me theyre not scum, hop on

this is the only time you can make amends with me before i die or am saved tonight
i hope it's saved!

[Furcolow]

zenken voting LM makes me a little more cautious about it, but if he is scum then I'll definitely look elsewhere as I don't see zenken as the bussing type

[Furcolow]

when i die tonight, or if i don't, or if my check goes through, we will have a much better picture tomorrow

[Furcolow]

i rolechecked maddie, but the mod has yet to send me anything

[Furcolow]

the fact i wasnt killed, and my investigation of maddie wasn't fruitful, means there is probably a medic and a roleblocker... obviously. unless the mod messed up.

the fact el simo, my biggest supporter, was killed
that is a joke if you want to try to lynch me, zenken
you are likely mafia

vote: zenken

[Furcolow]

anyways, i pmed the mod, i'll be able to tell you if he messed up or if i was roleblocked soon

[Furcolow]

um no thats not what i was saying
i was saying someone killed el simo because he supported me vocally, and because they KNOW they have a roleblocker
which means: i am confirmed through deductive reasoning
which means: we have a medic

[Furcolow]

no, i said that the moderator DID NOT REPLY TO MY INVESTIGATIVE MESSAGE
WAIT ON HIM TO RESPOND TO ME

[Furcolow]

lynch me guys
then youll know nothing other than that i wasnt lying to you
the moderator needs to respond to me............
or the medic needs to claim or something

because then we'd have a 20% of lynching mafia

[Furcolow]

OK.
I did not get a night action, and I am a cop.

This means we have a medic, and we need to keep me alive so they have to continue roleblocking me until we can kill the roleblocker.

Who do you all think is likely to be the roleblocker? That is what we need to look for as a town.
DO NOT LYNCH ME, FORCE ONE OF THEM TO COUNTER-CLAIM AT THE LEAST.

[Furcolow]

THE MEDIC SHOULD NOT CLAIM!
Not now, not ever.

and Furcolow, you never answered my question.

i'll try to find it.

I rolechecked maddie because I feel like she is likely mafia
I am admittedly not a very good scumhunter in smaller games
I am better at hunting associations between people

[Furcolow]

I am going to

vote: mightydarkzero

for this statement:
"this point, the only way we can get information from him is to see his role when he gets flipped."

This statement is misleading. I KNOW WE HAVE A DOCTOR, I HAD TO HAVE BEEN ROLEBLOCKED.
Roleblocks = you don't get a message. It says so in the rules.
The doctor needs to protect me now if he wasnt already

Also, mod, sorry for the triple post. This is important.

[Furcolow]

but then they can get a % on roleblocking the medic, when if i'm alive they won't
the medic should claim before you all lynch me, honestly
lynching a cop when the medic KNOWS it's a cop is crazy

[Furcolow]

at least 1 person wont vote me
i know that for a fact... unless the mafia just plan on getting me lynched

[Furcolow]

scum lurk often
id have checked kanashimi next probably

[Furcolow]

rofl smurf busted

[Furcolow]

Alright, time to post.

It's still a little hard to get a good read on people, but a few of them stood out like Furcolow and el simo. As Bazz pointed out, el simo seems to be pushing way too hard for a lynch on Zenken and Furcolow.

Zenken really just comes off as new

, but el simo still seems to have been pushing the attention towards him.

I'm also a little suspicious of Furcolow myself. He was also part of the wagon against Zenken, and for ridiculous reasons at that. This makes me wonder if both el simo and Furcolow are mafia and el simo was just trying to bus him. From what I understand, el simo is one of the more experienced players here so I wouldn't put it past someone like that to come up with a plan to make his teammate come off as mafia disguised as a cop to clear himself to lead mafia to victory.

Of course this is a newbie read so I could be miles off, especially since there's a chance Furcolow actually is the cop. There's still some time left so I'm gonna think things over a little more before voting, but I figured I should post my thoughts anyway since I haven't posted much.
---

Update after recent posts:

Furcolow's little stunts aren't exactly helping his credibility as the "sane cop". Not to mention that almost supports my theory by him trying to defend el simo.

As much as I find Furcolow's wishy-washy voting a bit strange, his suggestion is probably the best we can do at this point. Even though I'm still a little suspicious of el simo and Furcolow (more so the latter), it's still too early to make any final judgments on them. If what Furcolow says is true, we can learn a lot from this night. Even though they seem to be in pretty good standing right now, I'll still be keeping an eye on them after tonight.

I see people are still suspicious of Zenken too, but I stand by what I said earlier. I'll be watching him as well, but I truly feel his "scummy actions" are just from him being new.

As I said before, the best course of action looks to be in Furcolow's suggestion. Let's see how the night goes and start preparing for tomorrow.

Vote: lobstermania

I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt Zenken. Don't let me down or it'll come back to bite me too. XD

Apparent scum buddying in the above bold. I am not quite sure if MDZ is buddying Zenken as his scumbuddy, or as scum on town. If MDZ flips scum, we can look closer/pressure Zenken. I really don't like the above quoted. If you are town, this is all bullshit speculation that would better be left unsaid.

1) you are at the least being rude calling someone out on being a bad player
2) you are allowing scum to do this same thing to buddy up to town/their partner and even possibly distance

Well there goes one of my suspects. Still, his actions are what led to my beliefs and I take no shame in my suspicions.

@MightyDarkZero - What did you think about Lobstermania flipping town? and how sure were you of your vote (a percentage would be nice)?

To be honest, about 5%.

At the time we were kind of out of options, what with the day about to end and everything. I also felt it was still too early to push a vote on either of the two people I suspected. el simo was still pretty active in scum hunting so while the possibility of him being mafia existed, I still wasn't completely sure and wanted to watch him more carefully for any signs. Furcolow still had his claim as cop so I figured it'd be best to see how the night went and play it out from there. Unfortunately for him, his case still isn't holding up as well as he had planned. I agree with Kanashimi regarding the reason why we kept Furcolow alive. At this point, the only way we can get information from him is to see his role when he gets flipped. That way we can narrow down the possible setups and further determine what actions to take. However, lets not be too hasty with the voting just yet. There's still plenty of reading to be had today.

There was 2 votes on lobster mania at that point. He had 2 Fos'es apart lobstermania and they both had one vote each. He could have easily voted for his fos'es and they could have bandwagonned on they tought was right, not just a "Follow the Cop" thingy.

As I said before, I felt it was too early and felt there were still a few things to learn from them before they were lynched regardless of the fact that I found them both pretty scummy.

If it was fucking 5% why the hell didn't you push another case?
That is honestly TERRIBLE town play and the fact you're trying to separate yourself from the lynch is laughable

vote: MDZ

[Furcolow]

UNVOTE
VOTE: MIGHTYDARKZERO

[Furcolow]

yes, I do use my gut. I found those contradictions through ISOing MDZ.

1) I wasn't 50% sure, probably more like 30%. I had tried to lynch multiple people, but this is the only one that gained traction. Look at the 3rd/4th voters (zenken/mdz) and one of them will be scum... guaranteed.
2) Honestly, no. Like I said, people wouldn't fucking listen to me. I had to try to wagon like 4-5 times before people fucking listened.
3) 100% if zenken is not mafia, 20% if zenken is mafia, maybe more. If both of them are not mafia, as in together, it's kanashimi or maddie with zenken probably.

[Furcolow]

Kanashimi, you are voting me, so you don't believe I am the cop?
What setup do you believe it to be?
Who do you believe my partner is?

[Furcolow]

@Zenken

If I was scum, why the hell would I kill el simo? he had my back. That makes no sense. How does that make sense, Zenken?

[Furcolow]

@MDZ: When you said: "The best way you can help town at this point is by having your role confirmed on the flip. If you really are cop, you've obviously been roleblocked and you'll keep getting roleblocked until you're lynched so confirming your role is the best looking option. ", Do you not see how this is misleading? YOU ARE ADMITTING THERE IS A MEDIC AND I WAS ROLEBLOCKED. IF I'M NOT ROLEBLOCKED, THE MEDIC GETS A % TO BE ROLEBLOCKED, WHEREAS IF I'M ALIVE IT'S PRETTY MUCH 0%.

[Furcolow]

if i was scum, i would kill someone who thinks i'm scum, not someone who thinks i'm town
your entire argument is WIFOM, zenken. Throw suspicion away from me? You make me laugh.

[Furcolow]

the problem here is kanashimi/zenken/MDZ all are wanting to see my flip. One of these plays, at the least, has to be town. Therefore, someone has terrible logic. We already know the setup. It's setup 4. There is a medic, myself, and some townies against a Roleblocker, and a Goon. That is the setup.

My flip is unnecessary, and the next person to vote me is going to get voted by me and the rest of the town should bandwagon them with me. In fact, I wouldn't mind seeing Kanashimi flip. Whoever is the town of the three that I have named in this post, and I think it's you Zenken, needs to learn how to play mafia.

[Furcolow]

players*

[Furcolow]

what question? i'll try to find it

[Furcolow]

@ Furcolow - that's not what I asked, so calm down. And while we're at it, also take your time when you're reading, in order to avoid misunderstandings. I asked why you would have claimed being a cop if you weren't. Because it would have been a stupid decision for scum Furcolow. However, town Furcolow is really no better, so I'm really sorry I don't believe in policy lynches right now. And you being overall no good in this game is really consistent with either. However, I am trying to keep an open mind and be objective about you. So try to do the same and be useful. Don't freak out. Explain.

If this is the question, I will have to explain:
1) I learned it is bad policy to lynch a claimed cop day 1
2) El Simo convinced me I was at L-2 or L-1, when I was at L-3, so I felt like the only way I would live would be through this claim.
3) I know this does not confirm me, because this could be (from a townie's perspective), the setup where it is 2 goons and all townies. I would have a 33.333333333333333% chance of that being successful. Actually, a little higher, because you have to factor in a cop counterclaim as helping scum. I don't like 1/3, though. I have the advantage of knowing the setup we're in, as I was roleblocked. Whoever the Doctor is, good job on believing me btw.

I believe Kanashimi is probably the best lynch. If he is town, he would really hurt us in LyLo. So would Zenken, though. Who is everyone up for lynching?

[Furcolow]

Actually, let me rephrase that, who do you all find likeliest to be the roleblocker? someone both scum and a power role.
I want everyone to answer who they would pick to be the scum roleblocker, and why. We will go through everyone in order alphabetically from top to bottom.

BAZZ
FrozenAeon
Furcolow
Kanashimi
Maddie
MightyDarkZero
Zenken

Bazz, who do you find to be the roleblocker?

[Furcolow]

unvote

[Furcolow]

ok the above post says a lot but doesn't really rectify anything
furthermore, he is still trying to cast doubt that I was roleblocked last night

This is the slowest game I have ever been in
I have had enough of waiting on the town to help me
@mod please replace me