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Is anyone else getting bad vibes from this? I mean, i can understand wanting to end the RVS early but what I don't like is that he seems to be doing it just for town points. I also don't like the bit about "Hey guys, I don't do this in my iso when I'm scum so I must be town!"Fur wrote:i know as town, i am unhelpful, but as scum i am way way worse
notice how i tried to end the RVS in this one
feels like i succeeded
isn't that pro-town?
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Fur said earlier "i'd like for you to look at unvoting, or read my in iso and see the way i play as scum... very unhelpfully." In that post and in #34 he talks about how he was doing the town a favor and trying to be pro-town (see: helpful)Ghost wrote:I like what Fur did, up until Fur stated why he did it, or implied why he did it. However I also don't see what Doom was talking about with mentioning isos. At the moment, I think Fur has enough votes on him for the legit pressure he needs right now.
Relax. We're not in any hurry to get claims yet, the game just started. Also my vote and probably others as well on you are fairly weak seeing as how its still early in the game. If it gets later in the game and you get more votes on you then by all means go ahead. Right nw though its still too earlyFur wrote:do you all want me to claim? L-3-
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This is hella scummy. If I'm scummy for suspecting you then this is OMGUS (only without a vote) to the extreme. I think I'm happy with my vote to the point where I'd say its not all from weak reads anymore. I do not like how fur is saying he's town, blatently doing stuff just for town points, and calling others scummy for voting them.Ahh... My bad. I think "iso" is supposed to be "meta".
Derp. You're right XD Oh well, just as long as it makes sense.
It's still the beginning of the day and we just recently got out of the RVS so reads are going to be weak.Fur wrote:if youre admitting your vote on me is weak, why is it there?
fur wrote:if i am your top suspect, you are either scum or your radar is going haywire.
@HOMJ- What suddenly made you think that Fur isn't scum?
In other unrealated and unimportant news my mouse is acting like crap so it was a pain putting this post together.-
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@Fur- What made you decide to nameclaim? As for the nameclaim itself I'm just going to ignore it. Brandon does have an evil counterpart and as the mod said, flavor is going to be a poor indication of role alignment.
Fur also seems to be abandoning scumhunting in favor of defending himself, saying that he isn't scum, and obsessing about his claim.-
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I feel that some people arent pulling much weight at this point.
@Sora- Who do you think are the scummiest players so far? All you've really taled about were about how you didn't like HOMJ and LC's votes.
@SV- Feel like doing anything? All you've done outside of the RVS/pre-game was to unvote and your latest point.
@Foil- Same thing to you, you haven't done much AT ALL, not even in the RVS
@Zang- Again, same thing, you've pretty much just dissapeared after the RVS
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HOMJ wrote:I am not sold on furc as mafiaHOMJ wrote:Furc has done some scummy moves this game so I will probably vote him again if I don't pick up on something else
So you unvote Fur because you think he's just being noob-town and now it's not noob-town anymore and more scummy so you want to vote him again? lolwut?
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You don't seem as much of an issue with Fur's claim here:HOMJ wrote:I unvoted him before he claimed, he claimed while nor being close to a lynch, right now out of everyone that is the most scummy behavior I have detected so yes I would go back to him because that has cemented enough to be scum, however you purposely trying to twist everything I say and do into a negative way is being noted for future reference
First you say that mafia wouldn't be obvious about this and have doubts about him and now its the most scummy thing you've seen and he's now voteworthy for it. WUT? I can't imagine this being something you've just changed your mind about so quickly either.HOMJ wrote:of course he isn't helping himself by claiming early and asking about mafia fake claims and such, but I really don't think he would be that obvious if he were mafia
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@Mod: Can we get a prod on Foil and Zang?
@HOMJ- For the purposes of this question let's assume you're right and you did change your mind about it. When exactly did you change your mind?
You keep saying this and yet it doesn't work. Do you think repitition will convince everyone that you're right? Instead of saying that you're town why don't you prove it to us?Fur wrote:I am town.
Hmmm...You're probably right. I think that its very weak and there are some flaws in there:HOMJ wrote:I now need to look if emp and bunny responded to his accusation that their votes on furc looked like scum votes. I think if someone is accusing them of scum they should at the very least comment on it.
1. It was my first post of the game (other than my confirm post) so it seems obvious to me that it was just awkward timing.
2. If it was a scum BW vote did I really expect to see a lynch carried out right after the RVS?
3. As I mentioned it was a weak vote since it was still early and at the time I didn't want to see fur lynched.
Can you explain to me how FoSing inactives is scummy? I should have asked for a prod (Note to self: Always look at timestamps when talking about inactives). However, I do still slightly FoS them (I'm against LAL just for policy reasons however, I do think its scummy).HOMJ wrote:At first it looked like he was serious about scum hunting but ruins all credibility when he FOS's inactives.
Except that I'm not sold on that you changed your mind. To me it looks more like you trying to back out of your Nocman vote (because you weren't really getting anywhere with it other than attacked by LC and Noc) while trying to join in on the Fur wagon.HOMJ wrote:he does FOS me and I adimit I probably deserve to be FOS'd because I changed my mind, if changing my mind is scummy than yeah FOS me, but I personally don't think changing my mind is scummy.-
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@HOMJ- I asked you two questions in my last post. Feel like answering?
Is everyone going to do this when they have enough pressure on them? XD It didn't work for Fur and its not going to work for youHOMJ wrote:I completely understand people finding my actions slightly scummy but I can assure you I am not scum.-
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All I really want is the general area. Even just telling me if it happened before, during, or after you had your vote on Noc would be helpful although I would prefer it to be more precise.HOMJ wrote:1. I can't remember when exactly I changed my mind
Except for when they come back, reread, and see they were FoSed...HOMJ wrote:2. FOS'ing inactives serves no purpose, because they are inactive and can't tell they are being FOS'd
What I was getting at was that it doesn't work so there's no point in trying. It only really becomes a problem if you're like Fur and somehow manage to make it a major part of your defence that for some reason he needs to remind us of in every other post XDHOMJ wrote:oh and this 2nd part, you realize that people who are pro-town will do this also, are you always going to assume anyone who says that is scum?-
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Blargh, more than a page of reading to do. I'm just going to skim through for now so if I miss something then please point it out.
1. I still would like to hear from Ghost, SV, and Sora about the stuff that's been going on in the game. Mostly though about
-The events that happened in the game (Such as Furcs early claim)
-Who they think is scummy and why
-What they think about furc and HOMJ
2. Noc and LC's cases on HOMJ are pretty good and I'm beginning to have second thoughts about Fur. I want to hear from Fur before I make up my mind though.-
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I'm having doubts because you and LC made some very convincing arguements that for the most part, I agree with. I still think Fur is scum and the case you built on HOMJ didn't change that much.Noc wrote:Are you having doubts because HOMJ looks to be a better candidate for a D1 lynch, or that the case we have on HOMJ undermines the credibility of his attack on furc?
On the whole however, i want to hear a good post from Fur about who he thinks is scum and why (Meaning: Is it still LC and what new evidence does he have to support it. Or if its not LC anymore then who does he think is town) and a good defense about everything brought up about him rather then just "I is town! Don't lynch meh!".
Fur is still my #1 scumpick however, HOMJ has potential and is still #2.-
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...I think I'm happy with my vote. The only new defence from Fur was "HOMJ's WIFOM was worse than mine... Lynch him instead pl0x". Which is argueable at best.
Holy crap! does anyone else see this? the reasoning behind Furs vote is so he'll stay alive?!?!?! He even clearly says that he's BWing just to get a lynch other than him.Fur wrote:and im not fucking omgus
my reasoning is self-preservation
i am getting on the biggest wagon because i know i am town
i dont give a fuck about you
quit making false accusations
Didn't you do the EXACT SAME THING in almost every post at one point?Fur wrote:furthermore, you saying you're "pro-town" doesn't mean I know you're pro-town, therefore i don't know to not vote you; i don't know it's anti-town to vote you
your logic is flawed
Think about this line and you quickly realize that the "preserved town" he's referring to is himself XDFur wrote:my vote on you is good because i know it helps preserve town
I assume "us" is you and HOMJ... If you don't want a wagon on HOMJ then why the fuck are you jumping on it?Fur wrote:i would really like the town to wagon someone else other than us, but that's not what is happening.
Why should we all be pretty sure? Just because you say so? Prove that you're town and then we'll beleive you.Fur wrote:I'm alive, so ... yeah. Pretty sure I'm town. I am 100% sure, you all should be pretty sure.
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Fur wrote:should have known i would get pushed as soon as i try to be helpful
the last game i was in esurioseptus hosted, I won for the town, and you all aren't letting me fucking repeat my success
this is bullshit
I feel so guilty now I just might unvote you...Wait...No I don't.Fur wrote:I know there are town on my wagon, and I urge you to get off of it. I would like to win.
Instead of defending yourself by saying "I'm town" and using guilt tactics, why don't you actually try to, you know, defend yourself? You've been doing this ever since the beginning and... ITS STILL NOT WORKING!
I mean, I can say that I'm town all I want. Anyone can say that they're town, town or scum. There's no rule against lying, that's the whole point of the game. If everyone in the game states that they're town, then we must all be town! There's no scum! We win!
But that's not how the game works. If you really want people to get off of you then show us that you're town instead of just saying it over and over and over...
Why? What makes you differant from any other player?Fur wrote:if the vote was on anyone other than me, i would definitely vote you for that, and i am town
Uhh? I don't see any prickish behaviour from HOMJ unless you count him thinking you're scum, and that's just plain OMGUS. Care to explain?Fur wrote:i back off homj and he's still a prick
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I totally just remembered that Fur failed to answer my questions:
@Fur- You said that you wouldn't vote SV because if it were anyone other than you, you would be. Why?
@Fur pt 2- You called HOMJ A prick when all he did was go after you. Explain.
OK, now its just getting annoying.Fur wrote:why AFTER a mislynch
*Looks at my "Joined:" which just so happens to be right below my avvie* Care to join me?SV wrote:You're new here, aren't you?
Now seriously, contribute to the game. You're not doing shit right now. Even the other inactives (Ghost and Sora) who have been gone for god knows how long have contributed more than you.
I don't like having to repeat myself so I'll say it one more time: Cut the shit.
Also, you're not getting anywhere by calling anyone "new" because they FoS you. kthxbai.-
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A post restriction that prevents you from doing anything useful... That's something I've never seen before XDTony wrote:I shall wordlessly = cannot be interpreted as anything but a not-so-subtle implication of having restriction.
Hell, despite the fact that its probably not true, every time SV posts it makes me feel more and more like that's the case. SV Quick, One "Ding!" if Tonys right, two "Ding!"s for no XD
In all seriousness, SV really needs to get his act together whether I can dictate it or not.
Nope, I'm just annoyed that SV doesn't seem to even really care enough about the game to make even one decent post.HOMJ wrote:didn't you know, Doom thinks he is running shit.-
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It's a stretch but what the heck? I want to hear something more reliable from SV before I jump to conclusions. So seriously this time, one beep for "Yes, I do have a post restriction" and a "I don't have a post restriction you fuckers" for no.
Anyway, until we hear from SV me thinks that we should stop speculating about it since its just sidetracking town.-
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Well that seemed to work out well (Unless SV is just fucking with us). However, I would like to see a nameclaim from SV to check if everything checks out (NOT a full role claim).
@SV- Please nameclaim and if you cannot because of your restriction this is what I think: On the Fringe wiki page (which should have been provided in the role PM) at the bottom where there is a lost of characters (Where it says Central Characters/Central Characters (alt) etc.) Type one beep for every numbered character until you reach yours (Olivia would be one beep, Peter would be two, Bolivia seven etc.) and if it isn't on the bottom listing put 25 beeps (John Scott + 1)
Still want to hear from Furc about this, a solid defense (NOT, "I'm town and you're all idiots for lynching me" and guilt tactics), and a roleclaim seeing as he's at L-1.-
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Gusy, ya'll realize that setup speculation is only really scummy if it distracts the town from scumhunting or people begin to take it like its fact rite?
Also, I want to hear from smar (Soras replacement) about the game.
@Ghost- Is there anything else you want to say? Being gone for a while and then just coming in for a brief talk about speculation isn't cutting it.
@HOMJ- Is this the only reason you have for voting Zang? This is pretty weak XD
HOMJ is my top suspect right now for reasons detailed yesterday. I don't want to put a vote down on him though until I hear more from bv, smar, and Ghost.-
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I wanted to see if his post restriction matched up flavor wise (And yes, I know that flavor isn't a good indicator of roles, especially in a bastard mod game but I wanted to see if his story checked out or not to the best of the towns power)HOMJ wrote:Doom, why did you feel the need to have SV name claim? I don't see any sort of motivation behind it and why would you honestly think he would oblige?
Still want to see something from bv, smar, and ghost before I settle on a vote.-
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After rereading again I'm beginning to dislike Ghosts play so far.
Post #0- Confirm post.
Post #1- This is a fair enough post considering it was still early in the game
Post #2- Fluff. Just correcting a mistake I made.
Post #3- Eh, I suppose it could be worse. This is still early in the game.
At this point Ghost goes AWOL for a while until he gets prodded
Post #4- "I'ma check up soon (False btw)
He then goesAWOL again until today
Post #5- "Lol! This is what I have to say about speculation! Please excuse me as I have nothing else of importance to say!"
You'll notice that during this sever lack of posting he never once places a vote on anyone or makes any attempt to scumhunt at all. I willVote: Ghost. This vote is partially a real vote and partially a pressure vote.-
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Quite a bit of reading I have to do XD I'm just going to skim through some parts for now.
@HOMJ- So i'm going to assume you don't beleive SV's post restriction?
Erm... What?emp wrote:I've been scumhunting being the first person to vote Hop today
See: "I don't have a good defense"Emp wrote:Nowe I really am not going to talk about it any more.
I'm beginning to lean towards empscum right now as a #2 scumpick if Ghost can't manage to do anything helpful.-
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So somehow thinking two people are pretty equally scummy makes me bad now? lolwut?Emp wrote:DB: Are you really such an awful player that you think back and forths between two players are a good thing as opposed to an activity killer?
Nothing I can think of that HOMJ hasn't already pointed out.Emp wrote:Do you have anything specific that I haven't answered?
I don't see where HOMJ said you want people to follow you... Unless you think that bolded part before wasn't sarcasm XDEmp wrote:Hop: Again stop purposely misintepreting me. I never said people should follow me.
I find it pretty fucking obvious what he was trying to say. I have no idea why you don't.emp wrote:1. Stop misintepreting my comments. I clearly didn't think "OMG you are the best scum hunter this game has ever seen, town please follow emp because he is scum hunting yo " was serious but I also presumed it didn't come out of nowhere. Its clearly implying something.
Unvote, Vote: Empother than all the things said about him he seems to be flailing a lot when pressure builds on him, constantly trying to find ways to blame HOMJ for "twisting his words" even though tats a pretty effing long stretch in some cases, and if you check the thread out, he starts begining to post a whole lot more when people begin suspecting him.
I also want to give Ghost's replacement a chance to say something.-
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Well there is the question I did ask you that you didn't answer (How does thinking two people are almost equally scummy make me a bad player?)Emp wrote:Doombunny - Answer my questions with actual answers now (not "nothing that Hop hasn't mentioned".)
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-How didn't you find what the bolded part in post 327 was supposed to mean
-Why did you suddenly begin to post more when pressure builded on you?
Well that's not scummy at all [/sarcasm]Emp wrote:I don't know why I keep on getting into these with you. I'm not going comment on this anymore.-
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You said "emp wrote:1. I never said it did.DB: Are you really such an awful playerthat you think back and forths between two players are a good thing as opposed to an activity killer?" Stop changing your story kthxbai.
"I clearly didn't think "OMG you are the best scum hunter this game has ever seen, town please follow emp because he is scum hunting yo " was serious but I also presumed it didn't come out of nowhere.emp wrote:2. I did. You and Hop are clearly lying when you say otherwise. People don't randomly sarcastically say people shouldn't follow me. Its prompted by something.Its clearly implying something." The bolded part with the rest of the post mases it seem as if you don't know what the something is.
I've noticed it and while its the only thing I can agree with you on, its not enough to make me want to change votes. It also loses some of its meaning when you call out HOMJ for twisting your words, misleading town, etc. on every other point.Emp wrote:Doombunny: What do you tyhink of Hop trying to mislead the town about my reasoning for voting Hop?-
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Oh That was a mistake on my part. You still do change your story as referenced in this:Emp wrote:"back and forth" = Conversation. Do you still think I'm changing my story.
If you knew what HOMJ was asking there should be no reason to ask XDEmp wrote:What is it then.
Anyway, if you look back at the quote he says "OMG you are the best scum hunter this game has ever seen, town please follow emp becausehe is scum hunting yo"
He's not calling you out for asking town to follow you as you assumed. He was calling you out for not scumhunting.
Because instead of it appearing to be a legit thing youre calling him out for; it looks more to me like you're just trying at every chance you get to call him out for twisting your words etc. regardless of how much of a stretch it is.Emp wrote:Why should it lose its meaning when you independantly acknowledge it to be true?
It appears that he can't really say anything beneficial or anything regarding to his post restriction (or else he would have mentioned it straight away assuming he's not dumb town or at the very least aggreed with us when we began to mention it). He's also unable or unwilling to talk with us in code (We tried communicating with him using beeps but the only thing we got from that was a confirmation of his restriction).Smar wrote:-SV's post restriction is also difficult. SV, can you communicate in any way with us (ie morse code, going through a list, etc)? Do you have a quicktopic with another player where you can post freely? What exactly is the nature of your post restriction?
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And yet you didn't make a case on any of them...Emp wrote:Smarg: GW, DB and SV are the people I'm leaning at. WSe'll be able to make a much better idea once we lynch Hop and have confirmation thast he's scum.
I looked back at you in iso and the only thing you said about me that could be considered scumhunting is that you said I didn't answer a question well enough for you. If that's the best you can think of then you're not trying hard enough.
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So? That doesn't mean you can't make a case on them...Emp wrote:By gosh its almost like I'm voting a different player rather than one of those three!
You mean the part that he was "misrepresenting" you on? Come on... If you're going to ask me what I think about everything that HOMJ was "misrepresenting" you on I'd be making plenty of walls of text.Emp wrote:DB: What are your thoughts about Hop claiming that I was claiming that Hop was leaving his options open "by voting for furclow"?
In all seriousness I do agree that HOMJ was wrong however, it appears to be a honest mistake than anything else.
Also, while I do beleive SV's post restriction for the time being (gut read), he really needs to communicate more regardless.-
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[quote="HOMJ""]so basically you are OMGUSing me, way to go[/quote]
Just because he's voting you after you voted him isn't OMGUS.
I lulzed.HOMJ wrote:NOTHING I have done in this game is ant-town and you know it.
Erm... No. i reccomend you take a look though ASAP, not when HOMJ gets lynched. Your posting habits so far aren't cutting it.bv wrote:Otherwise, I'm going to take a look through again later on, once we've lynched HoMJ.
@HOMJ- I don't care if its part of your meta or not. Unless you can think of better reasons to vote someone then "They're lurking! OMG they must be scum!" then your reasoning isn't good enough. I agree that lurking is scummy but when its the only thing that you have on a person than you're not trying hard enough.-
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Just because he has a bad case doesn't mean that its OMGUS. It just looks to me like scum trying to put more blame on a person than is needed.HOMJ wrote:to me it originally seemed like OMGUS because his case holds no merit, however I just checked and he votes me right as he replaces in the game which is ultra scummy.
I agree with you on the rest of it though. bv isn't pulling his weigt and just seems like he's trying to get a free ride. At the best he's lazytown.-
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Alright, even though tomorrows Thanksgiving we still should've had more discussion these past few days
@SV- I know you have a post restriction but at least try to help us out here.
@bv- Pl0x post reads on people other than HOMJ
@emp- Post cases on Ghost and SV
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This is TERRIBLE reasoning. This just shows a lack of ANY help to the town ad potential tunneling and as Smar and HOMJ said, its witholding info from town. This post just made me happy with my vote all over again. As town you should have no reason to keep this info from town. Now seriously now, lets post a case on Ghost/Primate and SV.Emp wrote:I'm not going to post cases on SV and GW because I want people to vote Hop rather than SV and GW.
I think you meant to say "player" seeing as how the only person you can really talk about is HOMJ.Emp wrote:1. I am scumhunting and I am reading players.
...and from town...Emp wrote:2. I'm withholding info from the scum.
If town is psychic (And I assume we aren't) your case is valid. Otherwise, you're going to have to tell us what you think of players instead of keeping it a secret.Emp wrote:Town can look at the data just like I've done.-
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Tunneling isn't when you only have one read on a player. It's when you're 100% convinced that someone is scum that you're almost unwilling to look at anything or anyone else. (In this case you are so convinsed on HOMJ being scum hard enough that you're ignoring your other scum reads on other people)Emp wrote:I've got four scum reads on players. That's why I'm not tunelling.
"I don't have any clear buddies so I must be town!" Come on now... Maybe its only because you've only really been talking about HOMJ this game XDEmp wrote:Look at this in a wider issue. DB and Hop are clearly buddies. Who are my buddies?
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There are a lot of problems wrong with this. For one, you shouldn't be ignoring me or SV just because we're not the largest wagon. Also, you say your going to look at other players but you don't say anything about them. Also, is HOMJ your largest scumread?Emp wrote:I am willing to look at other players but Hop is both clearly scum and the largest wagon on one of the definite scum (You, SV and Hop). I have absolutely no reason to deal with you or SV (since I'm already convince of your being scum and Hop has the biggest wagon) and I couldn't try and get a better read on GW because he's just been replaced and his replacement isn't really in the game yet.
Also, I can understand the replacement screwing up your Ghost case but there's still no excuse to not post one on SV.
You clearly said "DB and Hop are clearly buddies. Who are my buddies?" implying that we must be scummier than you because we're "buddies" and you're not buddying. Also, I don't really think one real post about me and then a couple "OMG DB is buddying" and a bunch of "bv is town. Period." posts cut it.Emp wrote:"I'm clearly strawmanning an argument so I must be town" Come on now...Also I'm pretty sure that I've talked about you and bv as much as Hop recently.
I think you're focusing on the wrong thing here. If I am not mistaken, HOMJ is calling you out for trying to get bv on your side. You may not have done it immidiately but you definately did. We both know what he meant.emp wrote:
(bold mine)nobody is buddying you but you tried to buddy to BV by immediately calling him pro-town, trying to get him on your side ASAP
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This is not good enough. if I recall, we still haven't gotten anything from you other than things about HOMJ.bv wrote:^It'd sure help me make sense of this last bit. Trying to read your argument back and forth is headache-inducing.
I for one fail to see this in the aforementioned quote. Yes, HOMJ did say immidiately when you didn't talk about bv immidiately but everyone still knew what he meant. Hell, I didn't even pay any mind to it because it was so pointless until you pointed it out. The only one making things worse than they are is you.Emp wrote:I'm not discussing what he meant (nobody can prove either way; though the fact that my bv read was forced out of me rather than being volunteered IS conclusive evidence for it being true). I'm discussing the fact that he's clearly trying to make things out as worse that they are.
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I am not a mind reader and cannot read HOMJs mind kthx It just looks like a mistake to me although maybe HOMJ can clear it up (And your right that he shouldn't be ignoring this anyway). Again, calling you out for bullshit reasoning is not a defence.emp wrote:Give me one town reason for why he would say "immediately". If you're going gto defend him you may as well do it without just going for rhetoric everytime.
That part just seemed so blatantly unimportant that I didn't even notice it until you pointed it out. This proves to me that you're trying to nitpick and blow things out of proportion.Emp wrote:"I ignored the scummy lie of my partner" - What does that prove?
So... FoSing you and calling you out for things is now a coordinated strike? If that's the case then everyone on fur yesterday must have been scum! Oh noes! We have a seven person scumteam! At least we know who they are XDEmp wrote:TM: Note the way that DB and Hop are launching a coordinated strike against myself (by continuing to ignore my several posts about how "being buddies" is nothing like "buddying".) in order to make me mad.
Also, if I have made you mad in any way I apologize. All this time I've just been scumhunting and wasn't trying to make you mad in any way. Just calm down next time and remember its just a game XD
Finally, I have a feeling you know the evidence that you're asking HOMJ to claim. I know that you know that you said me and HOMJ are buddying and that you're posting more now that you did when pressure wasn't on you.
Preveiw edit: Yeah, it is 16 (Well ok, it's 17)/71 as of HOMJ's post. Read yourself in iso and stop contradicting yourself on things that can be easily checked by anyone in the game. That's just silly.-
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Yes I do but come on, all you're doing now is arguing about semantics with hop. If that's the best you can do then try harder.Emp wrote:1. Do you know the difference between "buddying" and "being buddies"?
See above. We both know what he meant. stop qrguing about semantics.Emp wrote:2. Does Hop's quote show me saying the former?
I missed that part XD My bad.emp wrote:3. I said that you were launching a coordinated attack by mixing up "buddying" and "being buddies" in what way is that the same thing as saying "FoSing you and calling you out for things is now a coordinated strike"?
1. You say it yourself in iso post 35 ("Defending myself is something extra to say and (I find) that once I say quite a bit then I'll continue to post (Its actually a problem because unless I force myself to stop I'll monopolise the thread)") saying that you're beginning to post more because you "have something extra to say" in this case defending yourselfEmp wrote:4. In day 2 I've got a very strong scum read on two players. Provide evidence for why that is not the reason for the increased level of posts.
2. As I already stated a while back, you began posting less when pressure shifted off of you and onto bv, and now more again when pressure is back on you.
I'm going to tell you the same thing I've been telling you: Defending and calling you out for bullshit reasoning are not the same.Emp wrote:2. He's now done a complete u-turn on Hop. Defending him at every opportunity.
I'm not touching you. I'm not touching you.Emp wrote:3. Hop's and DB's coordinated strikes to annoy me.
That's an example if annoying. Scumhunting is not annoying.
HOLY SHIT DEJA VU. This is almost the EXACT same thing as your #2. I like how you're trying to make your case bigger than it really is. Also, your #3 and #8 could have easily been merged together as well.Emp wrote:6. DB defending him on that point.
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Accident. It doesn't even fucking matter though. You're trying to get into an argument about semantics. Again, you and I both knew what it meant so there is no need to argue about the semantics.Emp wrote:Give me one good reason then for mixing them up, then.
Play the game kthx. You still haven't posted ANYTHING on anyone other than HOMJ.bv wrote:Seriously? What the hell are you on? I've logged on as anonymous when I was avoiding a game.-
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Three and eight are more or less similar. In both you are calling us out for coordinating with each other, the only differance being why we are.Emp wrote:DB: 3 and 8 are not the same thing at all. 2 could be split into two points anyway, so you might be right with regards to being similar to 6.
Beforehand I was referring to that yes, there is a differance between the reasons that you're calling us out and I missed over one of the reasons. With regards to three and eight see above.Emp wrote:With regards to three I'm pretty sure you just said "I missed that part XD My bad." with regards to you saying the exact same thing beforehand.-
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Me, HOMJ, SV, and Ghost. Why did you feel the need to ask me this?Emp wrote:DB: Who are the four players I think are scum?
[quote"Emp"]i'm not going to discuss this any more. Reading through DB's posts I'm pretty sure I was wrong about GW and TM.[/quote]
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I dunno. I'm not a mind reader. You tell me.Smar wrote:5. Doombunny, you've posted a lot of what looks like defense against Empking's mention of suspicion. Why does it feel to me like you're overreacting?
It always make me laugh when yuou call other people out for lying by changing their words. We all know who you think is scum. We don't know why.Emp wrote:To make certain that I was clear and that both TM and Hop are lying (rather than being mistaken) when they say that I haven't given them.
When smar wanted a case on someone other than HOMJ, I'm pretty sure that didn't mean copy/paste your HOMJ case. You're not even making an effort anymore.Emp wrote:Smarge: 1. DB had Hop as his to suspect but came up with a BS reason not to vote. (post 29)
2. He's now done a complete u-turn on Hop. Defending him at every opportunity.
3. Hop's and DB's coordinated strikes to annoy me.
4. DB always generally agreeing with Hop but when asked about specifics always disagreeing with him.
5. Hop's ignoring a point I made against him in order to leave it to DB to defend him about it.
6. DB defending him on that point.
7. Hop changing his mind on that point quickly as soon as DB was on in order to tell him to pull a u-turn.
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Holy walls of text! I'm just going to skim through now seeing as I don't have much time. If I miss anything please point it out.
@Zang+HOMJ- Could you two, I dunno... Organize your walls a bit better in the future, parts of them can get confusing.
That explains why you changed your mind about Ghost (Although you're tunneling a lot), but why TM? (Yes, I realize this question is late but I just realized it XD)Emp wrote:You went from Hop to GW. It seems unlikely that you'd move from bussing Hop to bussing another member of your scum team.
@Zang- If I'm not mistaken, your top FoS is HOMJ, can you consolidate your reasoning into a short yet consice list for my sake?
Also, I've noticed you've said a lot about HOMJ and a bit about emp but what about the other players (And please, this time just make a short post about them. No walls again XD)
Can you expand on this? I agree with Zang that insulting isn't scummy (even though it is unsportsmanlike and poor play) unless it is used to do something scummy.HOMJ wrote:2. insulting a player is scummy
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This doesn't answer my question...Emp wrote:DB: Zang and bv are obv-town. So its a question between TM and Smarge for the fourth scum (If we ignore GW). I think Smarge's post are genuine scumhunting.
Earlier you said something about my posts you were having doubts about TM, can you explain why?
Also, ANSWER MY OTHER QUESTION THAT YOU'VE BEEN IGNORING. Post 574 btw.
But what is the scum motivation for it? Just because something isn't town doesn't mean that its scummy. For example, if I said "I like pie and cake" for no reason then I'd have no town motivation for saying it so following your logic I must be scum!HOMJ wrote:@ DB - Insulting a player is scummy because I can't see what the town motivation would be. Maybe I am a bit off my rocker with being offended at the VI comment because I have accused others of VI, but I really don't like it and I probably won't call anyone a VI again. You want to call a player a bad player, than do it, but VI to me is just another example of name calling and unneccessary. It also puts that person on edge and makes them more defensive when they don't need to be.-
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