Mini1147-Royal Mafia at the Round Table (Game Over!)

Quilford · Post Post #600 (ISO) » Fri Apr 22, 2011 11:29 pm

Erratus Apathos wrote:
Quilford wrote:I still think NE's the guilty one, I've just played a game with him in which he used a similar "I'm not scum so you must be" response to a guilty on him (he was scum, and he won *shakes fist*).
And what exactly do you expect his response as town to be? "I'm not scum so you must have misread your investigation result"?

No, no, he states "I'm not scum so you must be" in some way when a more townie player would just jump straight into the arguments against their accuser. Here's the quote from the aforementioned game where he was scum

Necessary Evil wrote:I fall off your scum list and then you "investigate" me instead of your other suspect. I know I'm not scum so you must be.

and from this game

Necessary Evil wrote:Wow, this is going to be an easy lynch. Cop sanity is guaranteed in normals and framer-type roles aren't allowed, so TS must be lying.

I don't know, I just see the same kind of simplistic arrogance shining through.

Twistedspoon · Post Post #601 (ISO) » Sat Apr 23, 2011 2:00 am

so you guys think it's more likely that I'm insane or there's a framer than myself actually just getting a guilty on NE?

Occham's razor. By following this I'm correct and we should lynch NE

Duplicity · Post Post #602 (ISO) » Sat Apr 23, 2011 2:10 am

First of, this is a hydra account of Regfan (R) and Secret (G) generally though this game R will be playing the entirety of the game, G has already spread himself too thin in other games though if I need his thoughts on something I'll ask him. I am now indeed fully caught up with the exception of a few posts that I've promised myself to go back and re-read in more depth. My catch-up-notes are in the spoiler below, warning they are indeed long and very rough. I have fairly solid reads at the moment but I'll go into the explanations of these reads in the next 24 or so hours, pretty much whenever I can get away from my family during easter.

Town Reads.

Quilford - Confirmed Town.
Javert - Confirmed Town.
Erratus Apathos - Town.
Prosaurus - Leaning Town.
Necessary Evil - Leaning Town mainly due to interactions with TS, I highly doubt this is a buss but I'll have to do more reading into it to rule it out for certain.

Null Reads.

Farside. Null.

Scum Reads.

Rhinox - Leaning Scum.
Maxous - Leaning Scum.
Twistedspoon - Scum. Scum. Scum. Unsure why he wasn't lynched yesterday.

Spoiler: Catch up notes

Duplicity · Post Post #603 (ISO) » Sat Apr 23, 2011 2:17 am

Twistedspoon wrote:so you guys think it's more likely that I'm insane or there's a framer than myself actually just getting a guilty on NE?

Occham's razor. By following this I'm correct and we should lynch NE

Unsure I've missed it I don't believe anyones claimed this, the claim is that we believe you're mafia rather than believing you're cop.

To those who are unaware of Twisteds meta I would suggest reading this game: Donner Mafia where Twisted was a PR and played completly differently, he constantly stated his opinions and thoughts on the lynches when they were bad; Something he did not do here when he claims that he thought Ender was town.

Quilford · Post Post #604 (ISO) » Sat Apr 23, 2011 2:53 am

Bleh. The meta's convinced me.

VOTE: Twistedspoon

Twistedspoon · Post Post #605 (ISO) » Sat Apr 23, 2011 2:55 am

Duplicity wrote: To those who are unaware of Twisteds meta I would suggest reading this game: Donner Mafia where Twisted was a PR and played completly differently, he constantly stated his opinions and thoughts on the lynches when they were bad; Something he did not do here when he claims that he thought Ender was town.

you're citing that game?

In that game i was a vig and shot an SK, a mafioso and almost a second mafioso had i not changed my target at the last second.
I was quite a good vig if i do say so myself

anyways, that's past the point

I wouldn't say I played completely differently

read day 1l. I hardly do anything as I'm doing here

In fact I'd say my play was almost identical until the final days of MyLo

Twistedspoon · Post Post #606 (ISO) » Sat Apr 23, 2011 2:55 am

Quilford wrote:Bleh. The meta's convinced me.

VOTE: Twistedspoon

did you even read it?

what part?

The argument doesn't even make sense since my play was the same in that game

farside22 · Post Post #607 (ISO) » Sat Apr 23, 2011 3:46 am

They've both looked like town to me so far, but farside is a little scummy because she jumped on the MW wagon while attacking my vote on him in the same post.

X

I attacked your lack of scum hunting not your vote.

Mod: Posting in all games. I'm on LA this weekend.

Noted.

Maxous · Post Post #608 (ISO) » Sat Apr 23, 2011 5:31 am

Twistedspoon is at L-2

Going into WIFOM yes, but I'm having serious trouble beleiving that a mafia who claimed a one-shot cop would fake a guilty result on town. That makes little sense, one mislynch of the target and the mafia player is screwed. Good mafia play does not involve a trade off between town and mafia players. It would of made tons of more sense to clear one single town player than to trade off.
The only scenario I see TS being mafia is if NE is mafia as well. They decided to bus in an attempt to clear TS. Seems a bit risky but plausible.

Also when considering wheter or not TS is mafia you have to take his reaction to Ender's claim. Did he decide to fake a one-shot cop claim right after Ender-claimed with this reaction? Maybe, but it would of had to be quite off the cuff and quick thinking to breadcrumb the role, unless he has a one-shot mafia ability. And if he was mafia why ask if it was day or night? That makes sense if TS is legit because he would be confused because Ender that claimed the same role as him.
No offence to Twistedspoon but it would be serious quick thinking to do this in the next post

2 minutes

after Ender's claim.

I know TS and NE suspected each-other on day 1 and voted accordingly so I will take more of a look at that.

Apart from those 2, I'm not really buying Farside switching her vote because of the semantics of 'I think' and considering the possibiltiy of a framer.

Twistedspoon · Post Post #609 (ISO) » Sat Apr 23, 2011 5:43 am

Maxous wrote: The only scenario I see TS being mafia is if NE is mafia as well. They decided to bus in an attempt to clear TS. Seems a bit risky but plausible.

how about the most obvious, simple and true reason in which investigated NE because I suspected him and got guilty?

but no, that's way to simple to be true

you left me alive so i could use my one-shot and now you're just going to lynch me?
NE is scum i tell ye

neil1113 · Post Post #610 (ISO) » Sat Apr 23, 2011 9:33 am

Vote Count #3:
Day Two

Twistedspoon

(4): Necessary Evil, Farside22, Erratus Apathos, Quilford

Necessary Evil

(2): Twistedspoon, Rhinox

Duplicity

(0):

Erratus Apathos

(0):

Quilford

(0):

Prosaurus

(0):

Javert

(0):

Rhinox

(0):

Maxous

(0):

farside22

(0):

No Lynch

(0):

Not Voting

(4): Maxous, Javert, Prosaurus, Duplicity

V/LA

(1): Rhinox for the Holiday Season

Prodding:

(0):

With

10

alive, it takes

6

to lynch.

Deadline

for

Day 2

is

6:00pm EST 05/05/11.

Prosaurus · Post Post #611 (ISO) » Sat Apr 23, 2011 10:03 am

@EA I thought you were vote hopping, because you'll been spamming Vote:Oso for ages.

Necessary Evil · Post Post #612 (ISO) » Sat Apr 23, 2011 11:20 am

Twistedspoon wrote:what on earth-

I got a guilty, so why aren't we lynching?

Why are you trying to rush through the day? Following a cop result with little other discussion is pretty bad for town.

Quilford wrote:
Erratus Apathos wrote:
Quilford wrote:I still think NE's the guilty one, I've just played a game with him in which he used a similar "I'm not scum so you must be" response to a guilty on him (he was scum, and he won *shakes fist*).
And what exactly do you expect his response as town to be? "I'm not scum so you must have misread your investigation result"?
No, no, he states "I'm not scum so you must be" in some way when a more townie player would just jump straight into the arguments against their accuser. Here's the quote from the aforementioned game where he was scum
Necessary Evil wrote:I fall off your scum list and then you "investigate" me instead of your other suspect. I know I'm not scum so you must be.
and from this game
Necessary Evil wrote:Wow, this is going to be an easy lynch. Cop sanity is guaranteed in normals and framer-type roles aren't allowed, so TS must be lying.
I don't know, I just see the same kind of simplistic arrogance shining through.

Why did you snip out the part where I explained why TS is scum? I've been on him the whole game. You're comparing two games/situations that are quite different and then cutting out the part of my post that gave you what you wanted.

I'm really looking forward to the explanation behind Duplicity's reads because they're not clear from those notes, especially since the notes are not organized.

farside22 · Post Post #613 (ISO) » Sun Apr 24, 2011 3:52 am

Apart from those 2, I'm not really buying Farside switching her vote because of the semantics of 'I think' and considering the possibiltiy of a framer.

Really why do you believe it?
Also my suspicion of TS yesterday and his post (which I believe is a scum slip) = not buying it doesn't make sense to you.

Awesome stuff.
I'm calling Maxous/TS scum at this point.
At Maxous and anyone else in the game. Have you ever seen a person claim cop and question it?
I only know one game I can think of but the cop in question was not a one shot cop that TS is claiming. A one shot cop that questions their sanity in a normal game? Really why? This is not a bastard theme game.

Maxous · Post Post #614 (ISO) » Sun Apr 24, 2011 10:22 am

farside22 wrote: Really why do you believe it?
Also my suspicion of TS yesterday and his post (which I believe is a scum slip) = not buying it doesn't make sense to you.

Exactly. You had all this suspicion of TS from yesterday.
He comes out with a guilty. You instantly vote for NE, despite your suspicion. Because TS suspected NE yesterday.
TS says 'I think' he is mafia, immediatly correcting it as 'I know' unless there is a framer but he is confident about it.
And that is all it takes for you to change your mind about voting NE? It's suspect. You changed your stance too easily over little.

farside22 wrote: point.
At Maxous and anyone else in the game. Have you ever seen a person claim cop and question it?

Yes.
And by "question it" you mean wondering if there is a framer? How can a cop know for sure?
Even if you are a cop the only people that know for sure are mafia. There is usually a possibility that your results can be manipulated, unless the set-up states otherwise.
The reason I have'nt voted NE is in case there is a framer. With TS voting NE yesterday it is feasible the mafia could accurately guess who TS would investigate.
That being said I currently don't think so, but the possibility is worth exploring.

farside22 wrote: A one shot cop that questions their sanity in a normal game? Really why? This is not a bastard theme game.

He did'nt.

farside22 · Post Post #615 (ISO) » Sun Apr 24, 2011 12:25 pm

@Maxous see the bold

Twistedspoon wrote:
so unless you can prove that the mafioso have a framer
or I am an insane cop without knowing so
then you're mafioso

imo, I think all cops are sane unless the mechanics usually have a theme of such, like dethy

And that is all it takes for you to change your mind about voting NE? It's suspect. You changed your stance too easily over little

Yes, yes it does. You want to link someone who questioned a cop result in a normal game I'm willing to budge on this, not in a normal game with the post from TS who comes back and post immediately looks to me like he's covering a slip.
You remember what Rhinox said day 1 about Oso, who posted a comment in the game to cover his bases. Same applies here.

Duplicity · Post Post #616 (ISO) » Sun Apr 24, 2011 3:32 pm

The easter drama has finally come to an end, I shall have reasoning for all my reads up within 12 hours from now. Just some questions for everyone:

1. Based upon NE and TS's interactions would you rule anyone out as mafia or be more inclined to believe someone in particular was mafia in light of their flip?
2. What's your current read on Rhinox?
3. What do you make out of TwistedSpoon claiming he believed Ender due to it being a "One-shot" themed game when Ender was the only person who had claimed a One Shot role?

Quilford · Post Post #617 (ISO) » Sun Apr 24, 2011 5:47 pm

D:

3 is a really, really good point

UNVOTE:

Twistedspoon · Post Post #618 (ISO) » Sun Apr 24, 2011 9:53 pm

since the other 2 concern me and I can't answer them I'll go for the other

Duplicity wrote: 2. What's your current read on Rhinox?

townishy

Erratus Apathos · Post Post #619 (ISO) » Sun Apr 24, 2011 11:22 pm

Maxous wrote:No offence to Twistedspoon but it would be serious quick thinking to do this in the next post
2 minutes
after Ender's claim.

Huh. You're right. I actually hadn't noticed how quick TS's softclaim was, and that is a really damn good point in his favor. DGB'S SIG, Y'ALL

UNVOTE: Twistedspoon
VOTE: Necessary Evil

With that said I'll be moving at the end of the month. The trip alone will take about a week, on top of the periods before and after when I won't be connected. I don't think it's fair to sit on V/LA for that long, so unfortunately I have come to the decision to request a replacement. I've decided to request it now rather than wait til I leave. I apologize to everyone for not fulfilling my obligation to complete this game.

Mod, please replace me.

Sorry to hear that! But it's noted, I'll start looking for a replacement right away.

Quilford · Post Post #620 (ISO) » Sun Apr 24, 2011 11:38 pm

VOTE: Necessary Evil

Twistedspoon · Post Post #621 (ISO) » Mon Apr 25, 2011 12:27 am

sorry to see you go EA

but I'm glad you guys have actually seen sense and that I actually did get a guilty on NE

took you a while

doesn't matter now I guess

let's lynch this scum

Duplicity · Post Post #622 (ISO) » Mon Apr 25, 2011 1:28 am

Really dissapointed that you're replacing out Erratus, reading through the game your play style is one that would easily mesh with mine. I'll get to my other reads later, I want to read into something first.

Javert - Town, Clear.

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Quilford - Town, Clear.

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Erratus - Town.

I've read through his posts over and over again without finding anything that would change my opinion at all. The following I read as town-tells:
1. His thoughts and opinions throughout the game almost mirror mine as I read through it with a few exceptions.
2. His attempt to redirect the vig shot away from Ender reads as a town-tell especially due to the fact that everyone else was pushing towards him.
3. The confidence in his vote on Oso and shown frustration over the lack of agreement in it reads as a town-tell even though it's incorrect.
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Prosaurus - Leaning Town.

Although I can agree that his ISO posts #1-6 were scummy I believe he has consistently town-told since. The following I read as town-tells:
1. The fact he asks to be vig-shot as a newbie knowing full-well that Javert doesn't back-down often is something I think he would avoid doing as mafia.
2. The fact he notices and points out Enders soft-claim reads as a town-tell, I believe he would have kept this information secret to use for night-discussion as mafia.
3. The doubting and paranoia over the mason claims reads as newb-town. This is further added to by his carefullyness over the current situation.

Twistedspoon · Post Post #623 (ISO) » Mon Apr 25, 2011 1:36 am

I can agree with all of the above post except for maybe prosaurus point no.1. It looked like a gambit that I've seen scum do many a time in the past

but I agree with the rest and think Prosaurus is leaning town

so any reason you're not voting the scallywag, NE?

Rhinox · Post Post #624 (ISO) » Mon Apr 25, 2011 2:23 am

WTF WHY IS NE NOT BEING LYNCH WITH A FUCKING PASSION YET!

Maxous wrote:@Farside and Rhinox: Why did the two of you instantly beleive the result from Twistedspoon? As far as I remember he was on both of your suspect lists.

I didn't even think about a framer. Its a role I've never seen before. Is it even allowed in normals?
If NE had claimed miller after being investigated, my vote would be locked on him anyways.

TWISTED HAS NO REASON TO FAKE A GUILTY AS SCUM IN THIS SITUATION. HE WOULD FAKE AN INNO OR BE ROLEBLOCKED. TWISTED IS TOWN, NE IS SCUM. LYNCH NE!!!

I'm getting the feeling the push to put doubt in TS's claim and get him lynched instead is heavily scum-backed. I'm looking at you EA and Farside. Farside, that "I Think..." semantics argument is absolutely crap. OK add Duplicity to this list as well.