The Children of Húrin Mafia (GREAT REVIVAL)

[Magister Ludi]

Vote: SpyreX

[Magister Ludi]

@ Magna

I read invictus. What is it that make you lay down a serious vote?

[Magister Ludi]

I won't bother defending myself from these preposterous accusations by Locke since after all, I AM GANDALF
My rolename is(get this) Gandalf. I'm so awesomely awesome, no one could possibly believe I'm scum. So at any point, I may declare this in the thread in bold. And I will be like a treestump the rest of the game, only I keep my vote and become a JOAT. Only it's a KH mafia style JOAT, where I can literally do ANYTHING, and it's unlimited-shot. Unfortunately, I can only do three actions each night.

I think my claim is vital to my victory at this point. I'm Gandalf. I know-- Gandalf isn't in the Children of Hurin story. Apparently, I got stuck in a time warp after I fought the Balrog and before I was resurrected. So my mission is to survive and ensure the integrity of the timestream. Basically, I have to make sure the events in this game parallel those in the book. The problem is that I have no flavor knowledge whatsoever. Anyway, anyone wanna help me out?

X

[Magister Ludi]

Gandalf, in that game you flipped

6. gandalf5166, Gwaihir the Eagle, Town Jailkeeper, Shot from Afar Night 1!

After getting vigged night one. What are you doing?

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Unvote

Vote: Kannye

Sup?

[Magister Ludi]

Gandalf,

are you actually Gandalf in this game?

If you want to clarify, it's now.

[Magister Ludi]

why?

[Magister Ludi]

What does your win condition say, Gandalf.

[Magister Ludi]

meh, the last few times I have seen a claimed third party lynch get run up, the instigators of the lynch were scum.

Also, my vote on kanye is a serious vote.

Fos: PeregrineV

For completely ignoring proceedings here.

[Magister Ludi]

That doesn't make much sense, Gandalf, considering Plum would have to balance the game, and include a Gandalf, and If you didn't play, or replaced out, all the work could have been for nothing.

[Magister Ludi]

Also, claimed third party are better saved for Vigfodder than Lynchfodder. For super srs.

[Magister Ludi]

Does lynching claimed third party benefit town more, or does it benefit scum more. Reasons too, Kanye.

[Magister Ludi]

quicklynch errday.

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Vote party up in hurrr

[Magister Ludi]

Furcolow, clarify.

[Magister Ludi]

Furc, answer my question please.

[Magister Ludi]

Furc, answer.

[Magister Ludi]

I know what I want to do, just forgot how to do it
so we can slay some goblins, need to find my bro Turin

Furcolow, clarify.

[Magister Ludi]

This wouldn't have spanned several pages if you answered the first time.

[Magister Ludi]

Answer now. What do you mean by post 172.

[Magister Ludi]

Ok, stonewall.

Unvote

Vote: Furcolow

[Magister Ludi]

Cool.

Unvote

Vote: Kanye

[Magister Ludi]

So much noise. Quick lynch someone dodging the game in hopes of not being noticed.

Unvote

Vote: Lord Chronos

Fos: Kanye
PeregrineV

[Magister Ludi]

SpyreX, join this wagon staffed with beautiful women.

[Magister Ludi]

Yeah, but the fact remains there is probably one scum out of Lord Chronos or Chronopie who are dodging this thread and the craziness and hoping no one notices.

[Magister Ludi]

Lazy? I'm the only vote on it.

[Magister Ludi]

FOS Espeonage!

[Magister Ludi]

What does 'interesting' mean?

[Magister Ludi]

Edit: 'Entertaining'

[Magister Ludi]

heh Lord Chronos is ALSO on the Gandalf wagon?

[Magister Ludi]

Why is Will-o-Wisp still not voting?

[Magister Ludi]

Are you an alt/hydra?

Before you read, question.

[Magister Ludi]

Game is one day old.

[Magister Ludi]

Hence, why are you bored by it. I'm Deciding now if that is some lazy push or legitimate. Standby

[Magister Ludi]

Peregrine, I fossed you at that stage because you came in and random voted, when things had actually happened. So, why did you do that?

[Magister Ludi]

MoS is probably town.

[Magister Ludi]

Oh so you want to quicklynch someone ‘dodging’ the game not open 48 hours? And ignoring the many other people I listed who were just as guilty to focus on only LC or Chrono? Scumtastic Ludi.

Sorry, this is wrong. I looked for people with very low post count but had posted several times in other game, who had dodged posting in this thread for a day while posting else where.

Who did you list as just as guilty? And why would I want to utilize your list, whose alignment is unknown, instead of my own reasoning, which I know comes from town.

Calling attention to those players is never a bad thing. Look, LC picked up posting. If you want to band together and lynch kanye, just let me know.

[Magister Ludi]

Why would Katsuki even be in danger of being lynched?

[Magister Ludi]

Empking, what is wrong with Sun and Moon's only post?

[Magister Ludi]

I agree with all wagons on Kanye and LordChronos.

[Magister Ludi]

Did gandalf just claim scum or is that just me?

[Magister Ludi]

While I sort out gandalf's pseudo scum claim...

Fos: Chronopie

18 posts since last posting here, several of which coming today? For shame!

[Magister Ludi]

SUP ANDY. You're voting town

[Magister Ludi]

Unvote
Vote: kanye

Vig List

1. Lord Chronos
2. Chronopie
3. gandalf
4. PeregrineV

[Magister Ludi]

Why should I have put you in anywhere? Do you want to be vigged for some reason?

[Magister Ludi]

I haven't really read you, so, ... It you want, self iso.

How many mafia do you think are in this game?

[Magister Ludi]

Are you scum pretending to be town by saying "lulz someone should vig me", which is exactly how people would expect scum not to act?

[Magister Ludi]

Cool. Let me whip out my six shooter here and *pew* *pew* *pew*

[Magister Ludi]

That smiley. Lol

[Magister Ludi]

Just sheep my vote around for a bit until you catch up.

[Magister Ludi]

Besides Gandalf who would you want t o wagon SPyrex?

[Magister Ludi]

ITT Tech.

>.> What? <.<

[Magister Ludi]

Can we get a prod on chronopie?

[Magister Ludi]

Hopefully, something role related sorts out empking alignment. If not, by day four, just iso him. If he's made a bunch of unsupported reads and constantly is pretty obtuse, he's mafia.

[Magister Ludi]

Why did the pick Magna to impart the wisdom of the heavens upon?

[Magister Ludi]

That picture is awesome

[Magister Ludi]

I thought kanye was a lazy wagon, so I reread to make sure. Still think he is scum.

[Magister Ludi]

No, not the basis.

Are you kind of apathetic to your own lynch here?

[Magister Ludi]

I wouldn't expect you to be able to.

[Magister Ludi]

Who are we blocking on. Seriously, I think kanye is more likely mafia, but I have more town reads on Feysal wagon.

[Magister Ludi]

VOTE: Kanye

My partner and I agree that Kanye is acting very scummily and we would like his lynch. Also, we suspect Katsuki and Empking for their interactions with Gandalf and the whole fakeclaiming/crumbing gambit that he pulled.

Personal Vendettas:
Katsuki
Ellie
Gandalf

*I* wouldn't mind if the vig shot from that group of people. All of them are very good shots in my opinion.

- Oversoul

@Ludi: Technically, I'm an alt, but I only played a couple of games on another account last year before switching for personal reasons; I use this account exclusively now and have for a while, but I generally only play one game at a time. I've never been in a game with you before.

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First, Empking

. I don't like that his ISO is filled with questions, a lot of them leading (25 posts, mostly one-liners, and 19 questions). This feels like a way to appear more active than he really is, especially since he stayed on Gandalf for as long as it was "safe" to stay there, and once the wagon was obviously dead in the water, switched to Katsuki without any reasoning when it became apparent that the Katsuki wagon is gaining popularity. Also, for the frequency of posts, he hasn't commented on anything else that has happened, so I'm thinking he's scum who is just sticking to easy targets/active lurking (and currently getting by with it).

FoS: Empking

Second, Kanye.

I don't like Kanye's concern that Gandalf is a lyncher-role and is worried about who his targets might be; this feels more scum-motivated than town since Gandalf had already claimed third-party at that point, and had he maintained his claim/full-claimed an actual role, it would have been difficult for him to succeed in lynching someone with a town claim, and I think scum would have much more to worry about.

I also want clarification on this post:

1)

i stand by lynching claimed third party.

2)

its possible there is scum on the gandalf wagon because it is the "town thing to do" but

3)

i think it is more likely that scum are on the sidelines

4)

waiting to try and lynch someone off of the gandalf wagon.

5)

claimed third party can be saved for a nonscum lynch down the road, and

6)

if they can convert an early push on the third party into a town lynch, all the better.

7)

im still into a gandalf lynch, but ill take a look and see if any of these people jumping onto wagons off of that wagon look scum to me.

There's no attempt at any kind of VCA to support this. I'm also confused by the message. This is how I'm reading your post:

1) you want to lynch claimed 3rd party;
2) scum might be be on the Gandalf wagon just to look more town, but
3) it's more likely that scum are not on the wagon because
4) they want to lynch someone off the Gandalf wagon? (Do you mean a]someone not currently on the wagon, or b]someone who jumps off the wagon?) Next,
5) scum would rather save his lynch for later...why later and not today? And,
6) are you saying scum would rather try to get town lynched than 3rd party in this statement? And
7) if you think that scum are more likely on the sidelines than jumping ship from the Gandalf wagon, then who are they?

So basically, you want to lynch Gandalf, and you'll look at people on his wagon and see if they appear scummy to you, but you really believe that scum are NOT on the wagon but are instead plotting to accuse people on the wagon who move to another wagon. No names, no specifics, no reasoning for this other than WIFOM about why/how scum might be setting up a lynch on town/third party (which seems to be designed specifically to clear you of any suspicion).

Also, what is the status of [7]? Any of "those people jumping onto wagons off of that wagon" give you any scum vibes, or are they really all off the wagon? And who are they again?

Finally, in Post 47, as a response to Ludi's suggestion that in past games those who have run up a 3rd Party lynch were actually scum, you make a very defensive reply: "you can say i was trying to do it for town cred later on but its a bit early for that." This comment was superfluous to the first half of your response and leads me to believe you are actually concerned with having your motivations questioned, ESPECIALLY given Post 227, in which you claim to believe the scum are most likely not even on the wagon but instead plotting from the sidelines AND your repeated statements that lynching claimed 3rd-party is pro-town.

Vote: Kanye

Okay, going to experiment with stream-of-reading scumreads.

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Town

Furcolow

- Typical Furc play, mostly being a overreacting idiot

Andrius

- Actually realized what a trollclaim is and explained it to everyone else.

Empking

- While he was aggressive against gandalf's trollclaim and realclaim he actually tried to find out more info before pushing the quicklynch

Scum

SpyRex

- Tried to start a wagon on the obvious trollclaim. Not much, but it was pretty obviously a trollclaim and gandalf was obviously not-scum for pulling it

Kanye

- Strongest scumread, tried to lynch the obvious trollclaim, pushed for quicklynch without even trying to gather more info, playing generally anti-town

Third Party

Gandalf

- I'm guessing his abilities/wincon will be gradually revealed over time. At the moment I'm inclined to believe he is town. Trollclaiming aside, he's probably by strongest town-er...not-scumread

Everyone else neutral

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Town

MoS

- Understands that the gandalf wagon is scumdriven and almost reacts appropriately. He's really sheeping though so possibly subject to change in the future.

Chronopie

- Understands Gandalf is not anti-town

Furcolow

- Remains active but stupid. scumFurc is more lurkly IIRC

Magister Ludi

- Scumhunts, smart, and to the point

MoI

- Enters with a proper townie bang.

Gandalf

- Gandalf is probably Turin Turambar IMO. I don't think he's Third Party, I think he's Townie Amnesiac or whatever it's called. He doesn't know his alignment but is actually aligned with town.

Andrius

- Same as gandalf except I think he is Turin's sister (forgot her name). Vice versa is possible too.

Scum

Espeonage

- Some of your posts rub me the wrong way. Gut.

SpyRex

- Unchanged

Katsuki

- Appears out of nowhere to push for a gandalf quicklynch. Refer to earlier logic about gandalf alignment and stupidity of quicklynching him

KKB

- Continues to post little more than "Lynch Gandalf cuz" and snide one-liners. Strongest scumread

More setup speculation BTW: Seraphs are obviously Morgoth (scum) and Hurin (town). Hurin was captured by Morgoth in one of the battles and forced to watch his ancestors destroy themselves under a curse from Thangorodrim (which is Morogoth's fortress).

Vote Kanye

Easy scumlynch. At this point it probably looks like I'm wagoning since he already has a large wagon, but I'm only halfway done with my reread and I see it. I'll start another post to finish the reread now.

[Magister Ludi]

Opps. Totally did not mean to post those multiple quotes. I was quoting every kanye quote to see the reasons behind them for myself again.

I think my question got lost too. empking, can you restate your reason for voting feysal?

[Magister Ludi]

Like a cheap prostitute?

[Magister Ludi]

Whoa there buddy

[Magister Ludi]

Espeonage, I just remembered you from chosen ones mafia! Fun game eh?

[Magister Ludi]

Espeonage, what changed from 'these wagons all sucked' to voting down Kanye?

[Magister Ludi]

Yeah, feel you. This multivariable calc shit up in here. Whoosh what a workload.

[Magister Ludi]

Kanye, what are you objectives this game

[Magister Ludi]

So kanye, why aren't you agitating against your own lynch?

[Magister Ludi]

DEKES!!!!

[Magister Ludi]

unvote

[Magister Ludi]

Vote: Peregrine5

Can someone decipher what Will is saying for me?

[Magister Ludi]

"You were the greatest of them all.... you were supposed to save the game, not destroy it!"

[Magister Ludi]

[Magister Ludi]

Mastermind, Furc comes across town. Do you think he is scum?

[Magister Ludi]

Thats what I was responding to. Never seen him play before. Is he usually different?

[Magister Ludi]

I think he forgot he even asked it.

[Magister Ludi]

Do tell!

[Magister Ludi]

Lets do it.

[Magister Ludi]

How does Plum use flavor on nightkills in general?

[Magister Ludi]

How does Plum use flavor on nightkills in general?

This is important.

[Magister Ludi]

Hi all.

I am writing this with a heavy heart. Something deeply personal has come up in my life. I will be unable to think mafia, let alone play it, for at least the next four days, and perhaps more.

Mod, it is up to you what you do with this slot. If you want to wait on me, keep in mind that four days is a very rough guess, it could be many more, and I make no promises. I'm sorry to force you to look for a replacement like this.

I hope your hopes and prayers are with me for the next short while, guys, it's a great community here and I hope i'm able to get back as soon as possible.

Regards,

Ludi

[Magister Ludi]

Hi guys.

Things are a little calmer now. Thanks for all the kind wishes, and understanding.

I'm posting this in all the games I was playing at the time it happened. Sorry I couldn't post earlier.

Ludi

[Magister Ludi]

The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated

PLEASE HOLD

[Magister Ludi]

Alert,

We are not lynching Sun and Moon today.

It crossed my mind that Magna could be some sort of lyncher rolecop whose target is Sun and Moon, which make sense considering Sun and Moon is, in fact, Turin.

Magna has claimed he is a dying cop, which initially makes me hesitate, and the fact he claimed with a name as well, which is very unusual, is suspicious.

[Magister Ludi]

Plus, right now we have three town directed kills a day if I am not mistaken.

Feysal (random serial killer with stipulations I need to reread about)
Amrun (Turn, the vig)
The Lynch

Lets start slicing through all this noise.

If you don't have a role or a claimed town win condition, you can start dying. I'm unsure where and what is happening with spyreX, Furc, and Andrius, but they should be eliminated in the next two night phases. We probably have minimal protective roles left with the death of two doctors, so this needs to happen promptly.

Apparently empking is some sort of Seraph guilty? If so, turbo lynch him out.

Just need to find the rest of the scum squadron. Initiating day two lynch and activity review in 3...2...1...

[Magister Ludi]

First off, the wording of my role own makes it ambiguous. It tells me that Sun and Moon is Turin, my brother, and that I am reasonably sure he share the same town win condition as me. Despite proding, and I'm sure on purpose, Plum has not clarified this.

SpyreX..... what happened to being a princess? Independent of anything else, Really, the fact that you spent the first several days adhering to a post restriction, to the detriment of town (at least for day one), and the fact that it now seems to have vanished, makes me unsure enough of your alignment to want you vigged out of the game.

Will-o-Wisp, what It seems, unless I am mistaken, the "seraphs" have a guilty on empking, and are confirming that Sun and Moon, is, in fact, Turin. If you believe that SunandMoon is town, lynching a vig just so that the third party lyncher Magna can win is hideously anti town, considering that same vig could shoot him tonight after we lynch Mafia.

More coming

[Magister Ludi]

he bolded makes me chuckle. What exactly convinced you of this? Was it their complete lack of actually playing the game until they were caught?

That's what it said in my role pm, paraphrased a little so as to avoid breaking any roles. Thats why I said the bit you bolded

I can't argue that they weren't really playing the game until they were caught. But I don't think that indicates anything about their alignment, in the abstract. As it stands,

1. Sun and Moon is a near confirmed

vigilante

. They gave their kill on night one to me, and I choose Chronopie. Chronopie then died This is not something serial killers do, for one (and we already have a claimed serial killer), nor is it something mafia do with their kill. If Sun and Moon was mafia, turning over the entire mafia kill and making it hostage to me is plain stupid, considering I could choose one of their own and then Sun and Moon would be outed anyways.
2. Sun and Moon is confirmed as

Turin

. This makes it unlikely, just from a game stand point, that that slot would be scum. Turin as scum doesn't make much sense.
3. Sun and Moon is near confirmed town just

by my own role pm.

I believe Plum worded the pm's in such a way to leave some thimble of doubt in the players mind about whether they were actually confirmed or not.

Then, we have Magna of Illusion.
1. Has counter claimed Turin on someone I am almost positive is town.
2. Is claiming an unconfirmable role, as opposed to SaM vigilante, and stating we need to bang through this lynch . It is growing on me that Magna is some scum or third party lyncher which activate upon lynching Turin, which is why he has basically thrown down an ultimatum on the Sun and Moon/Turin playerspot.

Not lynching scum with a Cop Guilty which causes said Cop to die while deciding to lynch a ‘maybe’ guilty on another suspect who could easily be vigged at Night. That’s Anti-Town as all fucking get out.

You know what? One several levels I don't care that you die. One is near confirmed town proven vigilante vs a guilty-death activating cop unconfirmed.

You must ask yourself why that stipulation in on Magna's role at all. Most of the time a cop lynches his guilty the day anyway and doesn't die. The only way it makes sense is if there is some way that lynching a guilty, in this case SaM millerhood, actually hurts town, contrary to standard principles.

If SaM had claimed millerhood in response to the guilty, I would be more wary. But she claimed it way back on night one before the night finished.

So I'd rather have SaM role than yours Magna. Vig>Cop, and Vig+ other good stuff>>>Cop. Amrun being Turin>>> you claiming Turin. Add in the fact SaM is town to me, and I have no idea what you are, and I'm quite alright with you dying. I am sad because you were an active player, but that only matters up to a certain stage.

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Now, that doesn't mean I want to lynch Magna at all. That is still to be determined.

[Magister Ludi]

Mid read-through: SpyreX is a dad!

[Magister Ludi]

Spoiler: random vote counts that serve no purpose

kanyeknowsbest -

8

- Will-o-wisp, mockingjaye, Wraith, Magister Ludi, Sun and Moon, Gut, PeregrineV, Espeonage
PeregrineV - 12 - Dekes, Feysal, Empking, SpyreX, Gut, kanyeknowsbest, Magister Ludi, VitaminR, Furcolow, Andrius, Espeonage, gandalf5166
kanyeknowsbest - 6 - Will-o-wisp, mockingjaye, Wraith, Sun and Moon, PeregrineV, Espeonage
kanyeknowsbest - 5 - Will-o-wisp, mockingjaye, Wraith, Sun and Moon, PeregrineV
kanyeknowsbest -

7

- Wraith, ooba, Ellibereth, mockingjaye, Andrius, Will-o-wisp, MagnaofIllusion
VitaminR - 10 - Herodotus, Gut, Empking, Furcolow, ooba, kanyeknowsbest, MagnaofIllusion, Wraith, Andrius, Feysal
kanyeknowsbest -

6

- mockingjaye, Will-o-wisp, gandalf5166, Sun and Moon, VitaminR

Ok, read through. Took a while

Dekes + Herod + Kanye + Empking

My top four candidates for scum.

There are several players I outlined earlier that I'm not as sure are the scum team, per se, but are better of vigged.

[Magister Ludi]

MoI, I answered that question you said I am dodging, already. If you read my posts, you would, um, see this.

[Magister Ludi]

Hoopla crunched some numbers in mafia discussion once, Vig contributed to a town win percentage two or three times more than a cop.

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Magna, what are you reads on the four players I outlined several posts ago, those being Dekes, empking, kanye, and Heord.

[Magister Ludi]

What is SpyreX saying in his previous post?

ATTN: TOWN

THE SERAPHS HAVE DECREED THAT EMPKING MUST DIE

Vote: Empking

This has been a public service announcement.

This is the post that is mildly confusing. Stat.

[Magister Ludi]

Vote: 24. AlmasterGM + Thor665

[Magister Ludi]

I learned Sun and Moon was a vig on night one. We had some limited pregame talk, but then Amrun claimed her role to me on night one, without any external pressure., and asked my opinion After that, I offered my input on who was to be vigged.

Herodotus, I would like some of your opinions on Dekes and empking, as well.

[Magister Ludi]

Do you also think that kanye should be lynched? Also, your thoughts on Dekes will probably go a way to me determining your alignment, so if you could hit me with a few of your thoughts, it would be appreciated.

[Magister Ludi]

Confirm vote: empking

[Magister Ludi]

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Magna, what are you reads on the four players I outlined several posts ago, those being Dekes, empking, kanye, and Heord.

[Magister Ludi]

You give out roles to people?

[Magister Ludi]

Can Andrius confirm this, assuming he has a role now?

[Magister Ludi]

So, Andrius, why are you still voting Sun and Moon

[Magister Ludi]

I don't think anyone has ever talked about lynching Magna, whether he is scum or not. What we probably want to start doing is lynching scum, and that isn't Amrun. I've given you a few names of people that should be lynched. What about yourself?

[Magister Ludi]

Erm, what? I am not talking about lynching you.

I also want your feedback on empking. Do you think that a role that gives town roles, apparently, to players who started with no role, is town, or not.

[Magister Ludi]

It's actually the correct course of action at this point, barring seraph intervention.

[Magister Ludi]

Then welcome to Mafia 601B, for higher level mafia players only.

And the argument wasn't to force through a lynch just because of Magna "guilty", but because Magna was claiming to be a town aligned cop who died if he didn't lynch his target that day.

[Magister Ludi]

Also, why did you partake in your princess post restriction?

[Magister Ludi]

meh, I thought it was some sort of post restriction given and taken away by a Seraph.

Not at all. If we lynch scum today, blast two of the scummiest players in the game with bullets tonight courtesy of Amrun and Feysal, we could realistically be going in to tomorrow with one or two less scum. We have the opportunity to take out the bottom three players over the next cycle.

Eventually, the scum will be forced to night kill Amrun anyways, as she will keep shooting them.

[Magister Ludi]

Holy cow Andrius I checked your wiki and you were a miller vigilante in Saint Kerrigans game. How come you didn't believe that here?

[Magister Ludi]

ahh, but they weren't a miller day one.

Lets get around to lynching empking. My preference for the night shots are kanye and someone else, have to decide who that spot should be occupied by. I like herod's responses to my questions.

[Magister Ludi]

Actually, I just remembered empking claimed a role giver, which struck me as quite a towney role.

Unvote

[Magister Ludi]

No, not at all.

[Magister Ludi]

Changed my mind regarding the four people I outlined earlier. For various reasons lynching any off them makes little sense now. empkings claim seems town, for now. Herod is acting town, and I want dekes replacement before speedlynching him. Kanye is for the vig.

I want to lynch smargaret. As Gut pointed out, that post was simply terrible

Vote: smargaret

[Magister Ludi]

Amrun is at L-2.

I am not sure why this is still a wagon.

No one on this wagon is giving scum reads anymore, considering circumstance or rereading the game. No one seems fazed that we have two town shots that need input on tonight. (well one actually if half this game gets their way and lynches Amrun) Rushing headlong to lynch despite all evidence to the contrary.

[Magister Ludi]

Kanye, who do you think Amrun and Feysal should shoot tonight?

[Magister Ludi]

Who should we be lynching then?

[Magister Ludi]

Who would vig smarg in that scenario then?

[Magister Ludi]

Why can't Feysal have a town win condition, sheesh.

Ok, kanye does bring up a good point about Wow. I'm in favor of the following vig's, WilloWisp and Dekes.

[Magister Ludi]

??? S&M is Turin, confirmed by the Seraphs, through Andrius, and Confirmed by me as well.

[Magister Ludi]

Argh, no, they doesn't help either.

[Magister Ludi]

Why would Rain be a neighborizer?

[Magister Ludi]

How did you come up with that quote that quickly?

[Magister Ludi]

I guess this proves that smargaret actually has the power claimed. I was thinking that if espeonage was scum, that the place where Gandalf backed up the claim would be alerted somewhere, just in case the slot was actually forced to claim.

[Magister Ludi]

1. Andrius

no role

2. Magister

Neinor: Mason with SaM

3. Sun and Moon

Turin: mason Vig

6. Ellibereth
7. Mastermind of Sin
8. Dekes
10. mockingjaye
11. Furcolow
12. Gut
14. SpyreX
15. Feysal

Claimed Serial Killer headhunter

16. kanyeknowsbest
17. smargaret

Rain: neighborizer

18. Empking

Role giver

20. MagnaofIllusion

Turin: Dying-Cop

21. Will-o-wisp
22. Herodotus

[Magister Ludi]

ok, reread a bit for more claims:

Furcolow:

I'm not a watcher. I am Mim the petty dwarf, a 3rd party survivor that was immune to 1 night kill, and got to learn someone's alignment
Feysal is not evil

Jesus what does this mean? I didn't even notice this. Feysal is claimed serial killer. How can he not be evil?

Feysal has to kill three more names. "Gurthang, self-aligned,"Beleg and Brandir, Glaurung," and Turin, apparently

wait, more Furc quotes???

Also, Feysal, I can't believe you targetted me.
Talk about wrathfulness.
You're not a town vig either.

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Unvote

[Magister Ludi]

1. Andrius

no role

2. Magister

Neinor: Mason with SaM

3. Sun and Moon

Turin: mason Vig

6. Ellibereth
7. Mastermind of Sin
8. Dekes
10. mockingjaye
11. Furcolow

Nin, third party survivor

12. Gut
14. SpyreX
15. Feysal

Galarung, Claimed Serial Killer headhunter

(need to kill turin, galurung and Brandir)

16. kanyeknowsbest
17. smargaret

Rain: neighborizer

18. Empking

Role giver

20. MagnaofIllusion

Turin: Dying-Cop

21. Will-o-wisp
22. Herodotus

Ok, so Brandir is probably confirmed town and in the game. Thats a start.
Prod will-o-wisp?

[Magister Ludi]

Puta.

[Magister Ludi]

Why didn't SunandMoon's shot on espeonage night two work damn it.

[Magister Ludi]

Vote: Dekes

Yeah,... I read his iso again. His first few posts are the things setting me off.

[Magister Ludi]

I guess it doesn't, but it seems.... towney. I'll think about it again and then decide if I want to revote.

[Magister Ludi]

Who are we going to ask Feysal to shoot, before I revote?

[Magister Ludi]

If Mina seraph is doing all these things, what is Alamaster doing in response?

[Magister Ludi]

ahhh the unknowables.

Vote: smargaret

[Magister Ludi]

Good news is Magna doesn't die now, apparently. Of course, I have no way of knowing whether that was true in the first place, heh. I don't like getting 'critical' information from only one source and in no way that I can confirm.

SpyreX, who should we shoot this night with our two shots?

[Magister Ludi]

Ok, since no one is commenting, I'll take charge here. Feysal, I would like you to shoot Dekes. Confirm you have read this and that that is where your shot is going.

[Magister Ludi]

Thanks for the feedback guys. I think I can be confident about a Dekes shot by Feysal, then. I will talk to Amrun about vigging between will-o-wisp, kanye, empking, Ellibereth, and mockingjay.

Vote: smargaret

[Magister Ludi]

1. Someone protected Esp / Smarg / is lying and is bulletproof. Since we’ve had two Town protective roles flip this would mean it would be likely a scum Doctor.
2. Someone role-blocked Sun and Moon.
3. Sun and Moon is lying about being a Vig and the Mafia decided to use their kill elsewhere since Sun and Moon

have a Derp Neighbor.

Where did you get neighbor from?

Why would someone roleblock sun and moon. Most likely, I think a doctor protect was in play.

[Magister Ludi]

Actually, never mind. You've been saying 'neighbors' the whole day here.

[Magister Ludi]

No, I agree those are the most feasible scenarios from an observers point of view. The seraphs could have been involved somehow, but if they were it is unknowable how.

[Magister Ludi]

Ok. How did they activate your latent power then? Was it at the end of day two, or beginning of day three?

[Magister Ludi]

You activated my ! heh


No. I just wanted confirmation of whether it was unlocked before receiving a guilty, or after. It would mean that somehow evil-AGM knew you were a cop, which bears speculation in and of itself.

[Magister Ludi]

Vote: Ellibereth

More later.

[Magister Ludi]

Yeah, mockingjay I think is scum as well.

I think it is highly likely Will-o-Wisp bodyguarded Sun and Moon (or maybe Magna), and either feysal decided to shoot his way to victory, or mafia tried to kill either the Vig or Cop.

I still am not sure what to make of MoI. What was your result last night? I know its been asked already, but I want to know who Feysal tried to shoot.

[Magister Ludi]

What do those number mean? Is high bad?

[Magister Ludi]

Not entirely sure how you got those numbers.

What are you reads on Elli and Mocking? Would you be willing to vote and lynch either?

[Magister Ludi]

(Who are your heads? CES and someone else?)

I don't really need to see little numbers to know who is scum or not. The critical wagons are definitely when Sun and Moon got to L-2 yesterday, and perhaps Kanye on day one if kanye is, in fact, town.

[Magister Ludi]

Why in gods name are you voting Sun and Moon?

[Magister Ludi]

Who are you exactly, Soben?

Anyways, I sort of agree with your reads

1. Andrius

Probably town, no role is unlikely to be scum now, especially since smarg playerslot targeted no role gandalf the night he got a role, prob tried to convert there instead of andrius.

2. Magister Ludi

Mason

3. Sun and Moon (CSL + Amrun hydra)

Vig Mason
6. Ellibereth
7. Mastermind of Sin
8. Dekes
10. mockingjaye

11. Furcolow

third party

12. Gut (Cogito Ergo Sum + chamber hydra)

15. Feysal (replacing Katsuki)

third party
16. kanyeknowsbest

18. Empking

gave role to gandalf, who flipped town, same night gandy was targeted by mafia. unlikely to be scum

20. MagnaofIllusion

Prob town
22. Herodotus (replacing LordChronos)

Leave Ellibereth, MoS, Dekes (now Regfan?), mockingjay, Herod and kanye

I lean slight not as scum on Herod, kanye and mos.

Rest is Ellibereth, Dekes, Mockingjay. I think a bunch of them are scum

Pedit, empking, why did you vote Amrun?

[Magister Ludi]

Oh I though smarg targeted Gandalf night two.

ok, reread Andrius time. I thought his insistence on not vigging mockingjay was weird. Turns out they could be scum together.

[Magister Ludi]

Its time to stop playing footsies Andy. We've had a bevy of town deaths, and only one scum.

We need to hit scum today with a lynch. You may be scum. If you have a long elaborate reason why I, or anybody else, should consider you town, now is the time to say it. It isn't Day one anymore.

[Magister Ludi]

Feysal, why didn't you kill Dekes Like town asked?

[Magister Ludi]

I remembered my question for gut. Why am I even listed in that, if Sun and Moon is not?

[Magister Ludi]

unvote

Vote: espeonage

I reread her iso with a ctrl:f on espeonage. Its smells like a bus if I've ever seen one. Constantly putting him close to the top of suspicions, but not really acting on it. Voting other people. Calling for a shot on that slot on some night (when Espy was bulletproof, heh).

[Magister Ludi]

woops

unvote
Vote: mockingjay

[Magister Ludi]

Gut, I'd rather lynch mockingjay, who i'm more certain is scum. Have you read her posts?

And magna, I thought the 'suicidal' part was the activation part, not the 'cop'.

[Magister Ludi]

This is a good wagon

[Magister Ludi]

Yeah, nacho replaced elli? We need to get rid of him soon too.

[Magister Ludi]

On what grounds is mockingjay town?

[Magister Ludi]

I feel that lynching mockingjay is still the best play here today.

Feysal is just doing jack all for town though. I need to ponder a little longer.

[Magister Ludi]

Thats what i'm thinking. Feysal has been a force for bad this entire game. Not really shot who we wanted, despite town asking him too.

[Magister Ludi]

I trusted the good in men, and this is where it has led me....

[Magister Ludi]

How did you know the names of so many people confirmed to be in the game, though?

[Magister Ludi]

What are you saying, Furc? You're basically saying that we should do anti-town stuff, and also ignore you and let you win, which I don't think anybody would be too happy with doing at the moment.

[Magister Ludi]

Unvote
Vote: Feysal

[Magister Ludi]

Regfan's 2110 makes a lot of sense. It sort of looks like Nacho posted a little to draw heat off, and then plans to just dodge and duck around until the days ends without doing much of anything.

[Magister Ludi]

Unvote

This is the plan. However, magna, how come you didn't unvote, despite yourself saying it was really good to do so?

I also don't Agree with MoS re: his mockingjay read.

[Magister Ludi]

I liked you Feysal. Really, If you had shot where town wanted yesterday, I don't think you would be getting lynched today. I wish you had been given a town role pm, because your clarity of thought is definitely better than a lot of other players.

different lives, different times, I guess.

[Magister Ludi]

Vote: Feysal

I have been in contact with the Seraphs. We need to lynch in under the next twelve hours.

[Magister Ludi]

Faraday currently said his reads are under constructing, but that we need to lynch no longer than 6 hours from now. There was actually a miscalculation. It needs to be before 6:08 Eastern time monday morning.

[Magister Ludi]

Reads, incoming from Faraday.

Unsure about MoS. Could be town, but he has potentially too many town reads.

Andrius is scummy, saying there is zero reason for him to withhold scum reads, and that he spent the whole of the game since day 1 complaining about no role and doing no fucking scumhunting. Did he even give reads Day 3 when he apparently had his role?

Empking is scummy but role says town. Only question is if it fits flavorwise.

Gut/Moi/Amrun/Ludi/Regfan all town.

The third parties, furc and feysal are obv third party.

Hero, he likes his push on vit, but says almost gut scummy read on him.

KKB, scum read on him, but worries that maybe has confirmation bias.

MJ, conflicted on, some scummy, some towney, #1948

Paraphrased

[Magister Ludi]

Apparently Chamber is online according to Faraday.....

[Magister Ludi]

Do it

[Magister Ludi]

Holy shit a kanye sighting

[Magister Ludi]

Faradays reads on Nacho were null.

[Magister Ludi]

Vote: Nacho

[Magister Ludi]

Wait, empking gave him a role? Die empking!

Unvote
Vote: Empking

I need to figure out if empking did, in fact, do this, but its a great place for a vote now. If andrius was scum for the entire game, we need to reread his day one through that prism.

[Magister Ludi]

unvote
Vote Nacho

Looks like andrius was scum the entire game and empking's role giving failed, contrary to my memory. We now return to our normally schedule programming!

[Magister Ludi]

I don't care? Whats your point?

[Magister Ludi]

I think he might have simply piggy backed of gandalf's confusion and just completely fabricated not having a 'role' on day one.

[Magister Ludi]

My one comment regarding the kill was that we should shoot either Nacho or Mockingjay, and that I wasn't sure what to think of Andrius.

[Magister Ludi]

Why?

[Magister Ludi]

Nacho is a good wagon, everybody.

[Magister Ludi]

Herod, we have a guilty report on MoS? What did I miss?

[Magister Ludi]

It looks like Magna just thinks MoS is scum? Well, I think Nacho happens to be scum as well. I didn't see any guilty report, (and thus don't believe it,) otherwise I would be voting the guilty.

[Magister Ludi]

Wow, post 606 looks like gold from Andrius.