Mafia 62: Suspicion in Sicily - Game over!

[Raffles]

/confirm

[Raffles]

Wohey, second game I play with Yos

[Raffles]

...aaaand that's everyone!

random vote: Twito

, as he was the last.

[Raffles]

BAND WAGON!!!

Unvote, Vote: Rand Althor

[Raffles]

wagon this early cannot be good for the townies, SCUM

Aren't I meant to be accused for this?

cuz of the random third vote

What's wrong with a third vote?

[Raffles]

Whenever I vote because of a wagon, it is always the last person to jump on that I vote for.

BULLSH*T ALARM BLARING!!!!


What is this? Here are few statistics.

Panzerjager, time of post: Mar 01 10:44pm GMT
N9V, time of post: Mar 01 12:09am GMT

No. of players in the game: 18

How

on Earth

do you justify he's the last person to join the band wagon, when you don't even give more than 2 HOURS before someone else joins a bandwagon? There are 18 players in this game, I would consider a day just about too short to justify that decision.

With this

Unvote, vote: N9V

[Raffles]

... well what can I do. I'm not a double voter.

[Raffles]

*whispers so that the mod don't notice*
Yes, but it was meant to be a private joke! We are not meant to talk about that game here!

[Raffles]

No one else has joined the bandwagon? Do you really expect people to get onto mafiascum just because they sensed a bandwagon with a spider sense?

Alright let be fair. I've just come up with an alternate scenario. You've just logged on, saw a bandwagon, stupidly not checking the time of the post, you rushed for a vote. Still, why vote for the last one? As far as I can reason, there's no reason why scum

should

join last.

a) it's dependent on time they log on. But I've already been through this.
b) Why shouldn't the scum be in the middle (assuming it was about 7 votes) or even start the bandwagon? It was just a random vote stage, any alignment could have started one.

[Raffles]

FoS: N9V
cubsfan4ever
kinkster

I don't have three votes so this is best I can do. Who else wants to get on my scum list?

[Raffles]

Unvote, Vote: Cubsfan4ever

[Raffles]

[quote="Cubsfan4ever"]Is Raffles an idiot or scum?[/quote]

That's right! Cubs...fan. I am dangerous.

[Raffles]

Both, N9V and Cubsfan have had points brought against them, decent ones might I add, and I believe that one those two are scum. On top of that, if cubs turns out scum, in turn Kinkster is probabyly scum. It would lead to a scum catching chain reaction. This is why I feel that these three should be the ones being voted because they are most likely scum at this point.

I second this. I find those 3 extremely scummy too.

[Raffles]

^hmmm possible scum tell? What do you think?

[Raffles]

Simple:

Why on Earth do you think a third vote is a scum tell?

This was also not helped by the fact that very scum-stinking post by N9V, which you directly proceded after with "that" reasoning. This has led us to conclude that you two have a high probability of being scum buddies.

[Raffles]

What???

[Raffles]

1. No one (as far as I can say) has joined on that date...

2. Does this mean we shouldn't listen to you either because you joined 2 days later?

[Raffles]

he will likely not show up.

Why not send him a prod?

Mod

: Prod Phoebus please.

Unvote, vote: Phoebus

[Raffles]

Ooops,

Mod

, scratch last prod, I meant prod mole.

[Raffles]

I apologize for pseudo lurking, I have too much work. Will be back in weekend.

[Raffles]

Argh, I've been poked... I'm back people, it's just that this game doesn't have much activity outside random voting and rubbish wagonning...

Jalyn, it's not rubbish at all. Think of it this way, there's a school cantene and serving has just started. 5 minutes in, queues are starting to form. Would you honestly call the last person in the queue after 5 minutes the last person who gets served? Of course not. You'd wait out until the queue has reached it's full length, and once the queue has started shrining, then you could be right in saying the last person in that queue could be the last one to get served.

And even if you somehow refute this, how is the last person on a band wagon a scum? Not a scum tell at all.

[Raffles]

It would shrink, when someone else acts scummy. It's only a random wagon ffs.

Anyway, I even suggested an alternate scenario that probably more likely what would have happened.

And how is last person on a wagon a scum? That's a most ridiculous reason.

[Raffles]

It's an absolutely ludicrous attitude for a townie.

What? Is there a codes of standards that all townies has to obey? Jeez if you want us all taking the exactly same actions, someone could have told me in the newbie game... What's wrong with saying it before mentioning anything at all? If I said it other way round, would it not have tripped your scumdar? Care to give me a model solution so I could follow it all the time?

[Raffles]

The way I see it after I've been playing a few games, I think I see a pattern.

Everyone goes about using a same way to hunt out a scum. That is to get everyone to act the same. Anyone who step out of this line exhibit something so-called "a scum tell", and is suspected of having a hidden agenda.

I disagree and have a healthy dislike for this tactic (which seems to be universal throughout the site). For one thing, if this were the case, the best thing for the scums to do is to forget their hidden agenda. This means that the probability of exhibiting "scum tell" is determined by the player's experience, but independent of the alignment. Which implies the probability of someone getting lynched is solely based on experience. This implies that no matter what game, it is noobish player that will get lynched and whether that person is a scum or not is solely dependent on luck.

Given this, it is far more likely that the scum would survive, because there are always less of them and they have NK ability.

Second and more general point is this rule does not allow you to experiment with different playstyle. I for one have found out a noobish play attracts far more votes than a scummy play. But I'll leave it at that as the game is still ongoing.

[Raffles]

Nope, that post was written without any loss of generality, and it probably belongs more in mafia discussion thread rather than here, but I thought it might be an appropriate response for Phoebus.

I note that there may not be much to go on on the first day, but still, I find the following to be true.

1. People with rather unconstructive game play gets lynched first, regardless of scum or not. (NOTE: This is usually justified by saying "it's not helpful to the town". A stupid justification if you ask me.)

2. If 1 is not present, then people are accused for most hideous reasons. Usually something nit-picked from few posts and saying "this is not how a townie should act - die scumbag!" Which I also find is a silly justification.


My thoughts are that scum-tells are "codes of conduct" that has been made to easier identify the rule breakers, to make things easier for people to decide who to lynch. I believe that the name is misleading and prohibits creativity.

[Raffles]

But this is my point. If I make something happen, it seems to raise red flags anyway. I might do just as well post "I'm a scum".

[Raffles]

But this is my point. If I make something happen, it seems to raise red flags anyway. I might do just as well post "I'm a scum".

Raffles just posted that he is a scum. He's using some twisted strategy to give himself permission to make nothing happen.

unvote, vote: Raffles

I must say that that post does not sit well with me either.

Unvote spectrumvoid
Vote Raffles

Now that's what I call, point proven.

[Raffles]

I don't see why not.

Unvote, vote Kinkster

[Raffles]

I understand if a townie dies but town wins then that person wins. But I consider it I've lost if I get lynched. Why? Because I've mislead the town into lynching me, wasting a lynch. Then yes, it's my primary objective to lynch a scum, but it holds equal importance not to get lynched too.

[Raffles]

If you lynch someone you don't think is scum because you think they're "playing stupidly", then you are, in fact, playing stupidly, by voting for someone you don't think is scum.

But in reality, this is what happens. I'm not allowed to talk about it any more than that.

[Raffles]

I'm afraid I'll be away for next 5 days, no, I haven't read those posts in detail. I apologize but replace me if needs be. Otherwise, I'll resume on 22nd.

[Raffles]

I'm back and still alive, but there is helluva lot to read on page 10, might take me rest of the day.

[Raffles]

Okay, it might take me mere half an hour. Whatever.

Anyway, I've read from page 10 onwards in one go. Hollywoody, from the reasons you gave up (I think page 11), I can't place my vote on DP. I don't find the way he acted at all suspicious, even with your summary. I see voting for non-voter or someone who is not active as about harmful as eating my toast right now - i.e. it will never get to a kill.

However, I really didn't like this.

If we lynch Dragon Phoenix today, which would prove that I was at least partly right, then we have moved forward a great deal. We would be able to follow the tried and true patterns of the game, and make our analysis from there, if only we cut and polish this theorem I set out among you.

What if you are wrong? What if it really

was

just a normal stone?

[Raffles]

Ye, I don't think SV counts as 2 either...

[Raffles]

Kinkster unvote yourself please.

If you don't like it, get yourself replaced. Lynching yourself without a good reason is our waste of time.

[Raffles]

I agree that case against kinkster is not very solid. However I also do think that because of the situation, he is 1000x better option than alternative that is no lynch.

[Raffles]

[quote="Toaster Strudel"]Is anyone paying attention to scotmany? In particular, his voting pattern and his reasoning? He is extremely opportunistic.[/quote]

I do note this too, but since he is lurkish, there's not much to construct a case against him.

[Raffles]

I would for opportunistic, but I wouldn't put lurking in the high priority scum tells. I've seen with many experienced players that they'd hold their hands to themselves, rather than shooting everything that goes by.

[Raffles]

^I think that's a hammer, no?

[Raffles]

So mafia NKed means 2 scum groups or SK... any thoughts?

I wouldn't be surprised with SK involvement, what with 21 players. Although can't rule out mafia group 2.

[Raffles]

Or a vig, of course.

Good point.

[Raffles]

DP - in what ways?

Jalyn? Who'd have guessed! Good job whoever did it.

A bit fishy, but to me this is a minor.

OK. Day 2. Let's squeeze scotmany12. A mega-scummy opportunistic lurker should not be permitted to lurk unpressured by the Town.

vote: scotmany12

I don't see it as anything more than a pressure vote.

[Raffles]

Raffles, however, has.

vote: Raffles

Explain?

[Raffles]

^Fair enough

Phoebus, Raffles isn't scum. We should go for TS.

Horribly scummy.

Vote: VitaminR

[Raffles]

Why do I care if he said he thought I was protown? I don't see myself as being in dept to say Vitamin R is a town too, that's ridiculous. If I think he is scummy, I can vote for him regardless of what he thinks of me, right?

It seems like you're shooting yourself in the foot. Or, just giving yourself an alibi if TS turns out not to be scum.

Another horribly scummy talk right there. Now let's think this for a moment... if I was a town, why would I be shooting myself in the foot? Your presumpion of me being scum is so thick in that quote that it's a loaded question.

It just doesn't strike me at all as what a town would say. It seems as though you expect me to know that VitR is my buddy, therefore I know his alignment. I don't, therefore I see no problem with accusing him. As for VitR...

Phoebus, Raffles isn't scum. We should go for TS.

My first thought when I read that was, "leave Phoebus to vote whoever he wants, bitch. Why should he believe you just because you tell him I'm not a scum?" This partly has to do with my policy "leave people to make their own decisions". But then I read again and thought, "Isn't this a talk to the scum buddy?" How can he go about telling Phoebus to join TS bandwagon, when he doesn't know whether Phoebus is protown or not? I don't know Phoebus's alignment, he made himself pretty shrowded the whole game, I wouldn't dare tell him to join any bandwagon.

I'm happy with woody and VitR being scum buddies, and maybe Phoebus as a more of indirect reasoning.

[Raffles]

TS... summarise your case against TS? Or point me to the post where this is done?

[Raffles]

shit that made no sense, TS, summarise your case against scotmany, etc. etc...

[Raffles]

2) I'm saying that having someone who very clearly states that they believe you not to be scum is a good thing, because it's one less person who will vote for you in a push-comes-to-shove situation.
4) *snip* Either way, it seems like you're hurting yourself by attacking a person who solidly defends your township.

Hollywoody mate, these are playing politics. I

hate

politics. The very fakeness makes my blood boil. I have

no

interest in mutual alliance. This situation is where I have to suspect everyone, and I'm not willing to gamble playing along with

anyone

. People can vote for anyone so long as they give a proper reason, I couldn't care less. What I will refuse to do is just because someone defended me, I will owe them one back. And I expect others are not stupid enough to engage in this kind of behaviour.

I

will vote for whoever I find scummy. And I expect everyone else to do the same. (Other than scums, of course).

TS, it's 1 am. I will read those tommorrow, if you don't mind.

[Raffles]

N9V get your quote tag right! It looks like I wrote that. >.<

[Raffles]

TS, I've read what you wrote. Some parts are stretching reason, some parts are just put in there solely to make scotmany look bad.

Whilst this being true, it's interesting to note that those are the only posts that holds any (and I use the word "any"

very

loosely) content at all. It seems that scotmany is staying off the lurk-list whilst making empty posts, nudging the town when he found fit to. I would also agree with some of the TS's arguments (opportunism and such).

So I would

Unvote
FoS: VitR, scotmany

[Raffles]

I also find it confusing that why TS had put together such argument where he knows he's stretching reason. I'm going for a walk to try to make sense of it. And I'll decide what to do when I come back.

[Raffles]

I hate players who are utterly convinced beyond help that their opponent is a scum. Do either of you have any balls to say:

"I know for sure that this guy is a scum. You can lynch me tommorrow if I'm wrong."? Then I might take you a bit less cautiously and more seriously.

[Raffles]

Did I say you? VitR is though. So is TS.

[Raffles]

Hmm TS, my gut says otherwise, but your defense is almost taking a piss on this one. I'll have to vote for you for today.

Does anyone think I should hold off my vote until SV catches up and say what she has to say?

Pre-vote: TS

[Raffles]

That's a hammer.

[Raffles]

What does a gunsmith do?

[Raffles]

With you. One of the most hardcore lurkers.

I don't know what it is, but these two are giving me bad vibes.

Hmm all of this talk about lynching lurkers makes me feel like I should be a bit more active

Lynching mole doesn't seem like a great idea to me. True, we will be able to learn by peoples' reactions, but that will be the case in any lynching. Why not then choose someone who we have any bit of suspicion. Unless you're arguing that mole is lurking because he is scum (which does not seem to be the case.. he's apparently a lazy player or something), a lynch of anyone else would tell us the same amount of information, with at least a slightly higher chance of eliminating scum. As far as lynching mole for the sake of convenience, he has been prodded, and if he doesn't respond, he'll just be replaced, right?

As this is my first mafiascum game, I'm very curious to meet mole.. many of you seem to have strong opinions about him I suppose all this argument about lynching lurkers will be moot when he finally says something.

Also, I'll take this time to ask a quick question about the way this works:
Do we know how many scum there are? I may have missed on the wiki or tutourial whether or not there is a universal rule for deciding that.

Jayln, I have to agree with you in saying that Raffles' logic was faulty. However, I think it is because he misinterpreted what N9V was saying, thinking that N9V was trying to say that it's scummy joining a bandwagon late... that's the way I first interpreted it. I still think N9V sounds scummy, because that is such an odd criteria he uses to make his vote. It sounds to me like he wanted to vote Panzer and made up a random reason to justify it.

Regardless, my vote is sticking with Toaster Strudel, but I would definitely vote ~N9V~ before Raffles.

Jalyn = mole, if I remember rightly. It's probably just my gut, but I do sense cooperation whilst keeping enough distance from each other. As I said it's just a gut feeling, combined with your lurkiness.

Alex, tell me who you find scummy the most.

[Raffles]

Active lurker. When Mr. Flay sends his posts, he asks if we are actively lurking. Since he hasn't been replaced, there is a very good chance that he replied yes.

Vote: Rand Althor

[Raffles]

I like the logic, and I see the connection. I'm going to

vote Alex

for right now, but what happened to Rand Althor? He was on the mafiascum site, he just didn't post anything during the entire day 2. Lurk much?

I'm rather frightened by this post as I stated repeatedly that it was a gut feeling and there actually weren't any logic involved.

[Raffles]

Okay I'm going to have a restricted access starting immediate until 16th. I may or may not be able to post once a day. I hope you don't find a need to replace me.

[Raffles]

What response do you want? I missed all the erased posts because I wasn't here.

[Raffles]

Are you asking me?

[Raffles]

Any response. So what do you think of me voting you because of DP?

As far as you voting me is concerned, not very much. The reason is empty, and I don't think you can justify your vote. DP voted me on gut feeling. I have nothing against people using gut feeling. Hell, I use it from time to time. But for you to vote me because of DP, it requires you to have the similar gut feeling as DP. But then if you had that, why would you say you voted me because of DP, why not just say "it was gut-feeling". Maybe you two are secretly married and you trust each other's opinions implicitly, but I find that unlikely.

But I guess that's not an answer you wanted to hear. What you deliberately missed out on saying in that question yet making it painstakingly obvious (may that be because you are a she or it's a sign of good play I don't know) is "What do I think on a gunsmith leveling an accusation against me?" Well go figure. That's almost a loaded question, isn't it? I feel uneasy because people might find this alternative theory convincing, and might lynch me if left with no other choice. So I'll probably need to de-bunk this to keep me alive, but oh look, it's gut feeling. Luckily DP left me few things to work on.

1. This is on D1. This was not a Night start.
Counter - Could there have been a cop head start?

Mod

are you allowed to shed any light on this?

2. Reason for his gut feeling was he did not like one of my post.

These are the two reasons to debunk this theory. Objectively, if I was analyzing someone else from DP's vote pattern (let's see... how about you? SV?) then I would make DP's contribution as a side factor than my main accusation factor. He could have picked anyone on the list of 18 on N0, and I wouldn't get my hopes up on him picking out a scum on a cop head start (if there were any).

Also, having played with you in my first newbie game, I expected you to read through entire thread formed your opinions, and made a whoopin-big analysis rather than solely rely on DP's gut feeling. Also you made it clear you voted me just solely to gauge my reactions. Not exactly a fair experiment, I might add.

[Raffles]

Fancy a strepsil?

I'm waiting for SV's response to my answer.

[Raffles]

Deadline = not good.

SV, I assume you've read the thread through. Who do you actually find suspicious?

[Raffles]

Jalyn

accused (voted): Raffles, hollywoody1221
defended: Kinkster
Suspicions: DP,

[Raffles]

Jalyn's list don't give us much to go on.

Kinkster (town)- KIA
DP (gunsmith)- KIA
hollywoody - I think I remember he was hounded by TS (Townie).
Raffles - well... it's me. I would say I'm town but I don't think that'd get me far.

The fact that only one he defended was a townie, and other he raised suspicion was also a townie, I don't think it would give us any indication of who scum is, just by looking at her posts.

[Raffles]

Mod

: Could you extend deadline until at least some of those have responded meaningfully to the prod? So far, only Yos, Alex, and I made any meaningful contribution this day. It feels like playing C9 with just two people.

@Alex: Why would having lurkers cloud your thoughts? If there are less activity, much less scummy ones, you've got all the freedom to analyze the past at your leisure. Also, why did this cause you to unvote?

[Raffles]

I'm not sure on this - people can correct me if they think I'm wrong. But at this stage, I don't think RA is not even worth deadline lynching. Because not many made a relevant comment against him, and as we are purely lynching on lurking, this would yield virtually 0 information. I think we are taking more of a pot-shot at a scum and we'd be lucky to do so. Also if he was a scum, I would have thought his scumbuddies would be active in advocating for alternate targets rather than for a deadline lynch of a scumbuddy purely because he's a lurker.

So with this, I'll firstly

Unvote

, in the hopes that we'd get more involvement, someone to argue my theory and hopefully a deadline retraction.

[Raffles]

Shit - Alex, that was not aimed at you, I made a mistake. That was aimed at hollywoody.

Yos - if we are going for lurker lynching, there are plenty of other people that I don't like the posts of. Take your pick, N9V, ancalagon, cubsfan. Those are the only three I looked but I'm sure there's probably a couple more. Would you be able to justify why RA over these three?

RA- Why are you inactive, even though you are about to be lynched?

Mod:

How are we looking for replacements, and deadline removal?

[Raffles]

Sure, it's a pot-shot. But it's better then a no-shot.

I get your point. My intention now is that we should reach a lynch at the end of the day, be that a deadline or proper lynch. I'm concerned by a lack of opposition on this lynch. Not even from RA. I'm not sure if it is a right choice over any others that I've named.

[Raffles]

Alright, alright, talk about getting knickers in the twist, sheesh...

That said, you seem, to be posting pretty consistently in other games, lights out hell on Earth..., about 1 to 2posts a day... so maybe that isn't a very good excuse?

[Raffles]

I don't know how rest of you feel, but at this stage I'd rather lynch this guy rather than RA who is making utter lack of response.

Vote: N9V

But if this vote looks like it's going to cause no lynch on the deadline, then I will retract it and vote RA to cause lynch.

Mod:

What is the exact timing of the deadline in GMT?

[Raffles]

^Well that is not going to change the deadline, or possibility of your lynch. A little involvement to give us insight to your alignment rather than none would be appreciated.

[Raffles]

I still find it unbelievable that we are having to resort to lurker lynch on D3. Either you guys don't give a second shit about this game anymore or all of you are scum.

SV, I take it you must be busy, but I really would like some input from you. Your thoughts are usually insightful and I respect what you have to say.

I skimmed D2, and one thing I don't like is VitR has been NKed. He was the first person to start the wagon on TS (a townie), never releasing any pressure on him throughout the day. A usual scum tactic would have been to keep him alive to draw fire away from the scums themselves. Yet he has been killed. I find this strange, and I have an alternate theory.

- VitR has been killed by a vengance kill by a vig, who unfortunately got it wrong.

But I find this unlikely from how Mr. Flay had wrote the death scenes. What does everyone else think?

[Raffles]

@hollywoody: yes that post was aimed at N9V, not you.

[Raffles]

What unfinished games?

[Raffles]

So long as your comments cannot

help

the progress of the other game in anyway, I don't think it matters.

[Raffles]

That was aimed at Ancalagon.

[Raffles]

This sucks, yesterday was possibly the worst performed day ever on my time in mafiascum. I expect all remaining townies to be so active that it makes up for the yesterday's abysmal performance. We will not give scums opportunity to blend and lurk.

As for me, I am going to reset everyone on Carte blanc. Re-investigate everyone, alive and dead.

[Raffles]

I think it's a reserve vig.

[Raffles]

I need a fairly detailed player analysis from all of you. (Shameless copy of MoS's exercise)

Sctomany: Raffles, Rand Al
Yos: Scotmany, Panzer
Cubsfan: Alex, Ancalgon
Rand Al: Panzer, Alex
Ancalgon: Raffles, Rand Al
Alex: Cubsfan, Yos
Panzer: Cubsfan, Ancalgon

[Raffles]

Did I hit a soft spot?

[Raffles]

2 because I don't want everyone doing a blief analysis on everyone. I'd rather have at least a half-arsed analysis on few people than just "he's lurky", "my guts tell me so" on everyone.

[Raffles]

But answer it anyway please.

[Raffles]

Thanks

[Raffles]

Only if you want to. Do how much ever you feel is appropriate.

[Raffles]

Have fun, I hate calculus.

Anyone else's analysis coming or what?

Mod, please please please don't set the deadline...

[Raffles]

I'm going to do analysis on the scummy ones once everyone has posted.

[Raffles]

Rand Althor could you do my assignment as well please. It would really help thanx.

[Raffles]

Still awaiting

Yos: Panzer
Cusfan: Alex, Ancalgon
Rand Al: Panzer, Ancalgon
Ancalgon: Raffles

[Raffles]

Cubsfan, could you give me more insight than summarizing two players into one line?

[Raffles]

This is ridiculous. Looking at the amount of townies dead, we must be nearing LyLo by now. (Although the vote counts tell us we are not lylo just yet, or we are on the right track).

[Raffles]

Please do not rush this until Saturday. I haven't read all the analysis yet, and I'm in my exam week so I really can't afford to. Meanwhile, others please feel free to analyze other people's analysis.

Still not recieved:
Same as the head of this page apart from Yos

[Raffles]

mass scum lurking?

[Raffles]

Well if that's the case keep posting something useful so Flay don't set a deadline. I'm in exam week and I can't write anything big, my hands are tied down. Don't just sit and watch.

[Raffles]

Concerning cubsfan, I can't get much of a read on him. He surpassed the level of active and become a stubborn lurker, and that to me feels blatantly scummy.

My WIFOM is this is so blatantly scummy that I don't want to believe it. As much as I don't see this as a reason to keep him alive, I don't see it as a reason to hammer him yet.

FoS: Cubsfan

[Raffles]

I'm holding off on my comment for Rand until he posts. As with all the other days, I'm feeling these wagons gain momentum way too quickly than I'm comfortable with, which can be an indication that scums are still very confident they can win it despite their losses.

This day strikes me as a bit of deja vu. In my most recent newbie game, we had 2scum-3town lylo. Town had guilty cop investigation, and at this the scum partner immediately jumped ship, which I didn't expect to happen at lylo. Falling for this, I killed townie the next day, ending it in town loss.

The Panzer's post is almost identical to what the scum posted at that time. I'm very wary of that.

[Raffles]

Sorry been prodded. This game just seemed to have slipped out of my mind.

Yos, I can't accuse Rand Al for your reasons, because it is hypocritical for me. And the fact that Scot defended me and cubsfan too makes me WIFOM-ish about whether Rand Al is scum, purely based on that.

But reading back his posts, I can't see anything townish about him from his posts. But then that is not really a good enough reason to vote.

My stance is if you want to lynch him, I don't have much qualms about it. It's just that I don't have a good enough reason to vote, without being hypocritical.

[Raffles]

I'm not trying to derail the wagon, but I think it might be useful to discuss this while we are still awake. Who would you name for the possible SK?

[Raffles]

Thank you

I spent most of my night choices more like an overeager vig than a SK. I had immunity of nightkills, so I was trying to lead everything towards a one vs one stand off with a mafia or a prisoner's gambit, which would assure me to win.

I liked playing this. I killed off more mafia than the rest of the town. :p

[Raffles]

I can't remember which post it was, but when I asked everyone to give opinions on people, it was because one of Alex's post sent me a massive red flag as being mafioso... I'll try and find it.