Mini 436 - Game over - Mafia wins with no casualties!

[ryan]

Vote VanDamien

Damien=devil, unless the "Van" trumps it

[ryan]

Second vote isn't too good either.

Not an OMGUS

Vote: ryan

because the University of Iowa screwed me over in '93.

LOL, what did they do?

[ryan]

Has everyone voted now?

[ryan]

unvote, vote: StallingChamp

because I want to play the same way I played in a game he lynched me to prove a point.

Care to share what point you are proving?

[ryan]

Hey, whoa.... did we lose some posts? I assumed StallingChamp was the last one to vote for VanDamien but I can't find ryan or vollkan's vote.

Page 1 is my vote, I just checked it's still there

[ryan]

I think it's a mistake, it looks like vollkan was voting Albert B. Rampage

Yeah, because of the B in his name (random vote is my guess)

[ryan]

It's my middle name okay ? Leave me alone..and get on that bandwagon lol

Why do you think he's scum Albert?

[ryan]

I'm aware of how the dame is played on Day One starts, thanks!

In particular, those jumping on the wagon, would you like my claim, or would you like me to overreact? I see no reason for either at this time.

Overreacting on Day 1 happens alot of the time. Heck in the two other games I'm in people who voted randomly on Day 1 got a whole bunch of crap for it and here I'm thinking "It's random, calm down" Until somebody makes a mistake it's all random right now. Day 1 bandwagon's don't happen as much as you think, unless somebody makes a compelling argument, and I don't consider that a bandwagon jump, I consider it smart.

Mod edit
Votecount:
Albert B. Rampage 1 (DeathSauce)
VanDamien 4 (ryan, Albert B. Rampage, Vollkan, StallingChamp)
ryan 1 (VanDamien)
Miztef 1 (Paradoxombie)
Deathsauce 1 (HurriKaty)
StallingChamp 2 (Snichkin, Miztef)
Snichkin 1 (TopHat)

With 12 alive it takes 7 votes to lynch.

[ryan]

Miztef: A tad suspicious, already? DAMN! 8) I guess for me (just my opinion) there have been a couple blowups in our thread so far (nothing major) and I'm still trying to get a read on the scummy and the non scummy I have a few ideas on who I think is scum but the lack of posting by everyone has made it tough to read anyone very well and make me feel solid about my vote. I'll look back through the thread and see if anything jumps out and contribute that way.

[ryan]

Ryan what do you think about everyone ?

Well after re-reading the thread again, here are my thoughts.... (granted they aren't the greatest because of the lack of posts)

Albert B. Rampage: Told why his middle initial was B, so that works for me I guess. Hasn't really posted anything of substance to make me think anything more than a townie right now

darhken: Another one vote person and I've stated this a ton but I'll do it again, either a lurker, lack of internet, or nothing to say. No read here either

DeathSauce: Again hasn't said alot really. Voted A.B.R for his middle initial and for a quote he made, nothing scummy alerting me on him as of now

tophat: Made a vote, asked a question about bandwagoning, nothing more from him. He was added late to the game which always makes me wonder if a mod would add a mafia member late or a townie......that's what makes these games fun!

HurriKaty: Post #4 has me a little interested, especially with the lack of posts. It was posted to random bandwagon to find somebody early in a game, which I don't totally disagree with, I hate the term bandwagoning. Mafia members love to jump on a bandwagon late in the action and take somebody out easily, I don't 100% disagree with this tactic but I'm not all on board. Random bandwagon can be good and bad is what I'm basically saying, I'm just waiting for more posts to see which one she's on. Only two posts so it could have been a pro townie mention OR something to throw off the scent of her tainted tail

Miztef: I'm 50/50 on this one here. Has posted by far the most in the thread (not saying thats bad) but I've also played games where one mafia member will do the most posting to start problems and make others lynch eachother instead of the mafia, BUT he also could be a pro townie asking questions to get the mafia to mess up and spill their beans. I'm watching him closely to see if he can be trusted or not

Paradoxombie: Made a random vote early and hasn't posted since. Could be lurking, away from the computer or has nothing to say. No read on him yet.

Snichkin: Post #25 alarms me a little bit. Playing a way to "prove a point" isn't something I like to read. This game is different than others and he should know that better. Would a mafia member say something so bold so early? I'll be interested in more posts from him

StallingChamp: Hasn't done a whole heck of alot really. But than again there are alot of people in this thread who haven't. I can't say much of anything on this guy yet, but I'll be watching later posts

VanDamien: As talked an awful lot about a bandwagon forming, although at least two people (including myself) voted him random and have just left the vote that way. I just don't feel comfortable switching unless I'm sure, trying to stay away from his "bandwagon theory I guess"

vollkan: Made a random vote earlier and stuck by it. No read on him either.

So Albert B. Rampage, what thoughts would you like to share?

[ryan]

For my part, I like DeathSauce and Miztef, but don't trust Snichkin. I too am getting bad vibes from him.

HEY, I spent 15 minutes re-reading the thread and you post two sentences! Come on now.

[ryan]

well, now that we are all getting along, should we vote for snichkin and see what happens? he seems to be the one that is tingling people's scumdars.

Or we could go after a lurker to try to get this game moving?

Although I don't disagree with getting the game moving along, I'd still like to hear from a few of the people I talked about in my earlier post who've been very quiet. Snichkin does have a red flag in my opinion BUT he could be just upset that he was lynched unfairly in another game and a townie, I'm not sold either way, so Miztef, give me some info, why Snichkin? (in your opinion) Any others you feel are deserving of putting on the block? I'm still with my random vote unless I missed something you think is compelling

[ryan]

Snichkin is at L-2 everyone. So, please consider your vote carefully, I don't want to lynch him right now, just want more of an explaination.

It would be a very good idea for Snichkin to say something, anything to save his butt right now, I'd hate to see us lynch him and find out his townie, definetly not a good way to start the process of finding the mafia. So Snichkin, what say you?

[ryan]

LOL at the "spidey sense" quote.

[ryan]

Bad Guy?

[ryan]

It's a strange comment BUT would a mafia be so bold as to call himself out?

[ryan]

Maybe he's got a post limit?

[ryan]

post limit?

Its possible that he can only post so many times

Mod edit
Votecount:
VanDamien 2 (ryan, Vollkan)
Miztef 1 (Paradoxombie)
Deathsauce 1 (HurriKaty)
StallingChamp 1 (Snichkin)
Snichkin 3 (VanDamien, StallingChamp, Albert B. Rampage)
Albert B. Rampage 2 (DeathSauce, Miztef)
Hurrikaty 1 (TopHat)

With 12 alive it takes 7 votes to lynch.
I will keep this way of showing votecounts unless more players agree with stallingchamp that it's distracting. (nothing personal, it's just that you're the first one to complain about this)

[ryan]

Oh it wasn't an argument, it was just a theory.

[ryan]

Or having a really bad night

[ryan]

Care to explain the "worse vibes" comment in further detail? I wouldn't mind seeing some reasoning behind votes at this point. I think we are past the random stage.

Read her posts. All three of them.
Post 1 - nothing
Post 2 - generic statement, which, albeit truthful, doesn;t advance our scumhunting in any way. When I called her for specific conclusions, there was no response.
Post 3 - trips over herself defending her own day 1 lurking.
I see this as enough "vibes" for a solid non-random day 1 vote.

So are you confident enough to throw a vote out there?

[ryan]

OOC reference to vote count: I actually like it being posted at the top of each page, makes it easier to go back and look at voting

[ryan]

Agreed Miztef, I'm not sure if HurriKaty is scum or just lurking. I definetly have some suspicion there BUT except for Snichkin and Albert, I'm not confident to switch my vote yet. I'm gonna re-read their posts and try and make a legit vote (mine is still random at this time) and see what I can find out.

[ryan]

After re-reading the threads and weighing in on who sounds scummy I'm confident to make a legit vote (instead of my random one) I just feel the post "playing to make a point" is just too scummy to not at least throw my suspicion toward you. I'm not gonna lie though Albert, you have posted some very "interesting things" in the past few days, BUT I don't think a mafia scum would be so bold (unless you and your crew are playing this game very "close to the edge") Snichkin, you my friend are mafia, so I will throw my vote onto you. Albert........I'm keeping my eye on you though as well and I wouldn't feel bad voting you, not sure what your agenda is, but I'll find out.

Unvote: VanDamien
Vote: Snichkin

[ryan]

Miztef and Ryan are townies.

FoS:Snichkin

With all the strange posts by Albert, this one is, to me, perhaps the weirdest by far.

Unless both Miztef and ryan want to claim being masoned to Albert,

then there is absolutely no way he knows this for sure unless he's scum. If it's a scum move to try and clear his buddies, ugh. If it's a scum move to try and put suspicion that two townies are scum when he's gone, it's too obvious. That, along with the "this is useless now." Line convince me to

Unvote Vote: Albert B. Rampage

.

I am not a mason (I feel like Charles Barkley in his "I am not a role model" speech)

[ryan]

LOL! Re-read the thread again Tophat. I made a quick observation about Hurrikaty in a bandwagon statement she made and than I talked about and rambled (yes I'll admit I rambled) about bandwagoning before saying with two posts I wasn't sure if it was a pro town move or a scummy move. I think you're reaching with your thoughts Tophat and misreading what I wrote.

[ryan]

Actually it felt more like TopHat was trying to get more "information" out there.

[ryan]

Let me ask you this Miztef, is it possible that Tophat and Hurrikaty are mafia and he's trying to throw blame at both of us hoping a bandwagon will start on me? (risky yes, but still possible) Thoughts?

[ryan]

Albert: After re-reading the thread this morning I'm still a little confused on post #85, it sounds awful scummy, can you explain your reasoning for throwing comments like that out there?

[ryan]

Miztef: Just so I'm understanding what you're doing, you would put a vote on Tophat and be fine with him being lynched BUT if Albert is lynched you'd be disappointed? I guess I'm a little confused because I thought you were pretty sure Albert was scum but now you seem to be thinking Tophat is the scum we're looking for? Can you elaborate?

[ryan]

Just a question to the four not voting (or haven't voted as of this post) Albert B. Rampage, darhken, Miztef, Tophat. Are you willing to keep a no vote OR do you have somebody picked out just looking for more evidence on who's scum?

[ryan]

VanDamien: Are you saying if Albert has votes piled on him and needs one to lynch you'd do it? OR are you happier to so a "no lynch" on Day 1? I'm just worried if we don't lynch somebody Day 1, we might not learn anything newer BUT I guess if we lynch the wrong person than we're gonna lose two right off the bat.........Dang it Albert, you've got me all sorts of confused now.

[ryan]

Post 190 does bring up some interesting points on VD, but Albert I worry about just lynching somebody just to "lynch them" I mean if he is town and you are town we would have just lynched TWO of our players. I'm sticking with Snichkin with my vote as he's been very quiet all of a sudden and still very shady with earlier posts

[ryan]

Ok I understand the logic VD, very gutsy BUT also willing to prove yourself to the rest of us townies..............its a little gutsy early on but I do see your point now. I'll wait and see how the other townies feel before I do anything.

[ryan]

Ryan, are you scum too or what ?

You just said, and I quote,

I mean if he is town and you are town we would have just lynched TWO of our players.

You are definitely contradicting yourself.

I don't think I contradicted myself. I simply stated that if we (as a townie) lynch the wrong person than the mafia lynches another, wouldn't that be losing two of our players? I guess I shouldn't have said "we the town lynched" because it would technically be the town lynching one and the mafia lynching the other. I apologize for the confusion, my bad 8)

[ryan]

Okay fellow town members we need some imput here.

Mod edit
Votecount:
Albert B. Rampage 1 (Paradoxombie)
Snichkin 3 (StallingChamp, Ryan, DeathSauce)
Deathsauce 1 (HurriKaty)
StallingChamp 1 (Snichkin)
TopHat 1 (Miztef)

Not voting 5: Albert B. Rampage, darhken, Tophat, VanDamien, vollkan

With 12 alive it takes 7 votes to lynch.

[ryan]

I understand your reasoning DeathSauce but I just can't feel that Albert is innocent yet, I'm not sure enough to throw a vote his way (yet) but I'm feeling like this was a heck of a swerve, and now with VD and him having such a spirited di.......this game just got very interesting is what I will admit.

[ryan]

ABR: Just so I'm following what you are saying, you WANT the rest of the town to lynch you on Day 1?

[ryan]

Just to make this clear, which of the following scenarios do ABR and VD each want;
1) VD to be lynched?
2) VD to lynch ABR, killing VD and another player of ABR's choosing?

Just to make sure I'm following (which it's making more sense after re-reading ABR's and VD's posts) Did this question ever get answered?

[ryan]

Agreed, losing three of our townies if it does get "stuffed up" (nice term btw, lol!) would be a HORRIBLE way for us to find the scum. For now (as of tonight before I re-read your claims ABR) I'm sticking with my original vote for Snichkin, this idea of ABR being a "new role" just has me going back and forth. I think he's scum and tryin to scare the rest of us into voting off a pro townie OR is he pro townie and could he give us a big edge in eliminating the scum?

I will throw out a

FOS at Albert B. Rampage

for doing enough to mess with the rest of our minds and make us second guess the roles in this game.

[ryan]

Miztef: I'm wondering if ABR could be a cop, are you feelin that? Or just that he is a townie?

[ryan]

I'm starting to think Snichkin is just not participating and to be honest Paradoxombie and ABR are climbing my scum list so for now I will unvote and keep my options on those two open.

unvote

[ryan]

So Deathsauce, you haven't weighed in awhile, what do you think about this whole Albert B. Rampage, Paradoxombie and Miztef? Any opinions you'd like to share?

[ryan]

Let me ask you a question. If I am not mafia, and you are not mafia, then who is mafia ?

If we knew that answer we'd win the game!

[ryan]

Hey what about you Ryan, you've done nothing but FoS me all game.

You are right Albert I have only dropped the FoS on you this game.......until now.

Vote:Albert B. Rampage

Mitzef makes some solid points in post 265 and also points out how we the town can still keep our numbers after Day 1. I'm leaning toward Mitzef being a townie right now as he's been quite helpful in his observations. Paradoxombie has been pretty helpful in his insights as well, although Albert has made it kinda easy with his claim. I will be interested in what the newbies have to say about the game (newbies=new to this thread not the game) and if it's possible (just a hunch) could one of the newbies be scum? It would make this already interesting game VERY interesting.

I also don't like the fact of an unknown "role" in this game being claimed and while ABR could have just made a mistake claiming it, I think it was planned and thought through (probably with the other mafia) I'm confident in my vote after my millionth re-read through this hectic thread

[ryan]

That's what I'm sayin though Albert, who can prove that the lurkers haven't been working with you by NOT posting anything. I mean you have two votes on you, if the rest of the town doesnt feel compelled to lynch you than I'll go with their wishes, as of right now I feel with your "role claim" and some of your other posts that you are scum.


OOC: Correct me if I'm wrong but can't the psychopath communicate with one mafia member, or am I WAY off there? I apologize if I am but I always thought that was the way it went. I played a game on another website where this was legal in the game.

[ryan]

Hold on a second, I haven't left any failed bandwagons. Snichkin wasn't active and I dropped off voting for him (he has since been replaced) Read what I said, I commented that I thought he just wasn't "participating" and I dropped off of him, check the timeline Albert. What townie wouldn't keep his options open as you wouldn't want to kill one of your own. You can look at any game I'm involved in Albert, I've always been active and trying to find as much information on everyone so I can make a smart vote and not just a "bandwagon" as you would suggest. Looks to me as though you are getting nervous that you'll be lynched and trying to form a bandwagon on me all of a sudden, which is, correct me if I'm wrong, something you JUST claimed me to be.

[ryan]

The only claim I made was that IF it's not possible for a psychopath to contact a mafia member than I apologize, that is all I've said Albert. Who's to say you aren't mafia and jumping on me for makin a vanilla mistake (IF it is a mistake which nobody but you have said it is) Like I said, I've played that way before and figured that was the way it was in this game as well.

As for "fishing for a power role" I asked a question, nothing more, nothing less. Questions get asked in these games all the time, you for one know that, heck you asked for my opinion on players during the game as well.

I never encouraged anyone to "lynch you to screw the town" in fact look back through my posts Albert, I've always been pro town and would do what is "the best for the town" Heck I was suspicious of you since post 112 and maybe not as vocal as the rest but you like facts, theres another one for ya.

Can you say you've played that way? Dare I remind you of post 85? Or what about 151? Your post of "I don't care if I win or lose I'm experimenting" YEAH that sounds real pro town there. You're the one with the supposed "role" that appeared outta nowhere, you're the one who told people to lynch you and since than have back peddled and attempted to "act" pro town. You are the one who was on VD's bandwagon since pretty much page 2 and heck you were on Snichkin's wagon for awhile too. If anything Albert you're looking more and more like an opportunistic scum

Mod edit
Votecount:
Albert B. Rampage 2 (Paradoxombie, ryan)
Paradoxombie 2 (Miztef, vollkan)
Poison Ivy 1 (StallingChamp)
StallingChamp 1 (Poison Ivy)

Not voting 6: Albert B. Rampage, DogMom, Tophat, VanDamien, Hurrikaty, DeathSauce

With 12 alive it takes 7 votes to lynch.

[ryan]

I guess I went with my gut (after re-reading) and there was enough scum tells about ABR that instead of sitting back with a no-vote I made the decision to put a vote on ABR until he showed me that he wasn't scum. I won't lie, the inexperience is definetly on my side and in hindsight I probably should have sat back and waited till Day 2 to put a vote but with 12 pages to this thread I was getting to the point that a lynch was going to be beneficial to the town to start sorting out who is who.

[ryan]

Guess I was using terms everybody knows, can't say I mixed them up

[ryan]

Why all of a sudden should your past posts not be seen as scum? Don't try and change the game ABR, you've still done numerous scummy things in this game and really never denied it

[ryan]

Why all of a sudden should your past posts not be seen as scum? Don't try and change the game ABR, you've still done numerous scummy things in this game and really never denied it

Ryan, as it stands ABR is being lynched on Day 2. If he is scum, he will die then anyway. At this stage, you still seem determined that ABR should be lynched today, again ignoring the fact that a lynch tomorrow is probably safer (unless DogMom's numbers argument she alluded to proves otherwise).

I am not saying a Day 2 lynch isn't wiser but with his play so far why give him what he wants? I dont understand his tactics nor his play and I guess if you all decide to lynch me, than so be it, I've given my reasons for what I posted and been at least trying to find scum in this game

[ryan]

So are you driving the bandwagon now ABR?

[ryan]

HurriKaty- I would suggest a re-read. One sentence is a little difficult to summarize the many twists and turns we've taken

[ryan]

Sorry guys, I forgot about this game...

Anyways, I don't like lynching ABR today, and so I am suspicious of ryan and paraxombie for pushing it for no apparent good reason. Para seems to be doing it much, much more, though, so I will

Unvote, Vote Paraxombie

No good reason? For a lurker (or somebody who "forgot" about the game) you obviously haven't read any of his comments or accusations.

[ryan]

I read the whole thread, and find that his reasons (and yours, to a lesser extent) are far from anything that is even a decent theory.

So you are telling me that ABR has made no posts that look suspicious? Covering for a scum buddy or taking what he has written and not seeing it?

[ryan]

Ok StallingChamp, I aplogize for misreading your comments, who do you think us townies should lynch today?

Mod edit
Votecount:
Albert B. Rampage 2 (Paradoxombie, ryan)
Paradoxombie 2 (vollkan, StallingChamp)
Poison Ivy 1 (Miztef)
StallingChamp 1 (Poison Ivy)
ryan 1 (Albert B. Rampage)
Hurrikaty 1 (DeathSauce)

Not voting 4: DogMom, Tophat, VanDamien, Hurrikaty

With 12 alive it takes 7 votes to lynch.

[ryan]

Of course you'd be happy with the turn of events as the suspicion on you has somehow died down.

[ryan]

And with 4 still not voting, we dont seem to be any closer to much of anything at this point

[ryan]

Appeal to emotion, BOO-HOO ryan.

Boo Hoo??? A typical ABR response I guess

[ryan]

Ok VanDamien, while I don't disagree with your post I do wonder why you'd post some observations while you still don't have a vote out there. Waiting for your scum buddies to make their vote known before you go that direction? If you are vanilla as you claim, who has acted the most like scum?

[ryan]

Actually as of last vote count you had a "no vote" Post 325

[ryan]

Thing is, if we lynch him, we absolutely must do it when we have at least 6 more townies than we do scum. Otherwise, town loses IF he's telling the truth AND the lynch vote is a townie and ABR chooses a townie for his NK.

Well. Assuming the balance is 9:3 and ABR is telling the truth (for the purposes of argument):

If we lynch ABR AND the hammerer is town AND ABR NKs a town, and then the scum NK a town. Day 2 starts at 5:3. Loss.

If we don't lynch ABR and we lynch a scum and then scum NK a town. We start Day 2 at 8:2. If we lynch ABR AND the hammerer is town AND ABR NKs a town, and then the scum NK a town. Day 2 starts at 4:2. LYLO.

If we don't lynch ABR and we lynch a town, and then scum NK a town. We start Day 2 at 7:3. A lynch of any town player plus scum NKing a town will cause 5:3. Loss.

The second option is the worst case scenario if we lynch a scum today. It is lylo, not loss (as opposed to worse case today).

Well with that argument it doesn't sound like you are ready for an ABR lynch, than who is it that gets killed than? Who goes down if you are willing to let ABR live for another day?

[ryan]

So in your opinion sending me or Paradoxombie to die is the best move for the town? Even if Paradoxombie is the cop (which isn't out of the question) and what if I'm the cop? OR what if this game doesn't have a cop? Than what ABR? Than we give you all the power and that my friend is something I'm not willing to do. The power should go to the rest of us townies not one player.

[ryan]

I've kept my finger firmly pointed at you ABR, just waiting for you to slip up again and show the rest of the game that you are scum. As to who are your partners........I'm starting to wonder if Paradoxombie could be one of your scum boys.

[ryan]

It would also be nice to hear from the people not voting

[ryan]

A few questions as I was reading back through the past few pages.

HurriKaty. It seems as though you have vaulted into the lead when it comes to votes but have yet to vote anyone, who do you think deserves to go on Day #1?

Albert B. Rampage: You seemed to be pretty hot on the lynch Para and now have kinda switched to HurriKaty, do you believe that Para and HurriKaty are scum together?

Miztef: What would the difference (in your opinion) be on Poison Ivy's activity compared to HurriKaty's? I say that because HurriKaty seems to be getting the brunt of the vote while Poison Ivy has yet to post anything of substance either.

[ryan]

DogMom: I tend to agree with you on this (after playing some current games where this is happening) I think replacing is better than having them lynched because of lack of content. I'd like to see some insight from HurriKaty or have her replaced, but either or needs to happen soon (especially with this deadline) I'm guessing we couldn't get somebody in her place before Day 1 ends, so if possible before Day 2 OR HurriKaty has to step it up (soon)

[ryan]

@ryan: WHAT? Why the hell would Hurrikaty be replaced? She has said she is "RIGHT HERE" and has "posted more in the past few days".


I don't see how she is cleared even if she suddenly starts posting eleven paragraph PBPAs. It is apparent that she has been lurking AS A STRATEGY and now that strategy has failed. Only a complete fool would continue a behavior that has been called out and identified as anti-town.

But as has been said before, real life takes over mafia games all the time and I don't believe she's intentionally shafting the game or lurking. Lack of posting doesn't all equal scum (my thoughts only)

[ryan]

I just think a replacement player is better than us voting off a potential fellow townie. I don't have a clue by her posts if she's pro or anti town, that is very true, but I also don't want to vote off a potential townie and drop our numbers and make it easier for the mafia to win

[ryan]

Miztef's defense does raise an eyebrow. He speaks about her personal life as if he's saying he knows her.....which makes me wonder a little bit. If ya know her personally Miztef, give her a nudge, we could use some different insight and her lurking is starting to put her on my scumdar.

StallingChamp's analysis was interesting. Taking something out of context happens all the time on these forums, it's tough not to as you are reading what somebody is typing and they could be saying it one way and you taking it the other. I don't think he was attacking you, just making a statement and not really a scummy one (in my opinion) more of an observation if you will.

[ryan]

Honestly VD and Tophat have been the two that have been very silent the past three pages after posting quite a bit in the first pages

[ryan]

Oops, Miztef is a "him". My apologies!

I knew who you meant

[ryan]

^^^ Can't disagree with that statement. We've been debating "lurkers" instead of looking for the real scum.

[ryan]

I don't know if fiasco is what I'd call it but it's definetly annoying. I think in this game lurking isn't really a good way to stay under the radar (if that is what she is trying to do) Posting good ideas and evidence IS on the other hand something I'd like to see more players do (and not just in this specific thread but in all games as I'm seeing this same problem in others I'm in)

[ryan]

I don't see how she is cleared even if she suddenly starts posting eleven paragraph PBPAs. It is apparent that she has been lurking AS A STRATEGY and now that strategy has failed. Only a complete fool would continue a behavior that has been called out and identified as anti-town.

You make sense DeathSauce, I definetly have HurriKaty higher on my list of scum possibilities, I'm gonna do a re-read of when her posts came (shouldn't take long) and consider a change of my current vote

[ryan]

Did I miss when our deadline was?

[ryan]

I think replacing is better than having them lynched because of lack of content.

The hell? Wow, you've really made me feel welcome. I'd much rather be lynched than replaced when I'm RIGHT HERE. You know, like I said I was?

There, there's another useless post.

Strategy? When did I ever say my lurking is a strategy. I SAID I was going to try to post more.

I dont see how me NOT posting has gotten this bad.

Ok, you want me to post something substantial? Like what. Honestly, what is going on right now that I could comment on besides the fact that you all want to kill me, which I'm pretty sure I've commented on already.

More than a "hey I'm here" post is what we're looking for. Why so defensive?

[ryan]

Miztef, Ryan...you know what to do.

I do?

[ryan]

You make sense DeathSauce, I definetly have HurriKaty higher on my list of scum possibilities, I'm gonna do a re-read of when her posts came (shouldn't take long) and

consider a change of my current vote

With that poor excuse of an argument HuriK

i

ty put up, and lack of total content, I think its only fair to place another vote on her.

Actually there would need to be 3 to officially out her from the game. Even if Miztef and myself place our votes on her there would need to be one more

[ryan]

Um implying? I'm "stating" that even if Miztef and I vote for her there would still need to be ONE more vote to vote her off. What are you trying to stir up now ABR?

[ryan]

So, does that mean the plan is to lynch hurrikaty

?

I'm willing to vote her today if she doesn't post within the next 24 hours. I am inclined to agree with death and ryan in this situation, that katy's lurking has become quite the fiasco.

I don't think enough people have weighed in their opinion yet

[ryan]

I'm gonna give her one last chance, if her post feels scummy, I have no problem changing my vote to her

[ryan]

Unvote:Albert B. Rampage
Vote:HurriKaty

Going back through the posts and looking at what HurriKaty has said (granted not alot) I feel as though HurriKaty is the one that needs to go, BUT ABR I will keep my eye out on you as I believe you to be one of her partners.

[ryan]

Vollkan. I agree with you we can't rush this but just looking back at times she was called out and did NOT respond and has basically tried to fly under the radar and finally we caught on. She is our scum and after looking back through the posts and the thoughts on her from others, I have no doubt she's our scum and that's why she got my vote

[ryan]

Odd, ryan, that being called out by SC was enough to make you change your vote.

vollkan: yes, 18 pages of pretty good info to analyze on D2; nothing contributory from our admitted lurker, I think it's time.

I guess I didn't feel "called out" per say, it was more of a "yeah you're right" She just isn't posting anything of substance and is doing just enough to "look active" Are you thinking she's innocent?

[ryan]

Two "Strange Roles" in one game would be an interested twist, although in this case I don't believe that is happening. I think the arguments against her are compelling enough for somebody to cast that final vote

[ryan]

She didn't look like she wanted to be lynched to me!

Than why is your vote on her?

[ryan]

Because

I

want her lynched!

Sorry for the misread. I thought you were making a case for her NOT too be lynched, my bad.

[ryan]

Shit! I was going to ask for a doc protect but the hammer fell while I was at work!

Good luck, town!!

What? According to the Lawrencelot you ARE the doctor!

I think he means he was going to protect himself

[ryan]

Two deaths.

I just think it'd be a little overtaxing on the town if there were two full mafia factions.

A vig wouldn't have killed dogmom, she was so overwhelmingly helpful. And I had thought everyone had come to some sort of agreement to let albert get to Day 2 at the least.

It's possible the vig killed albert because he/she was against albert right from the start and believed he was lieing. As stated eariler in the thread, the safest way to kill albert is at night, and maybe the vig felt this was his/her chance.

I personally don't see why an SK would want to kill Albert, maybe an SK would kill DogMom though, and the mafia killed albert.

Very good points. DogMom was a big loss to the rest of us as she brought up good questions/points and we really need that kind of discussion again

[ryan]

I think VD just misread what was typed by Vollkan as the first time I read it I was thinking "what the heck" and than after I re-read it than it made sense. I'm with you Miztef, I'm having a hard time reading anyone here in Day 2

[ryan]

*taps the microphone*


Is this thing on? Anyone, anyone?

[ryan]

vote:DeathSauce

Had the first vote on HurriKaty and I'd like to hear more from him. (Plus getting a discussion going about the game again would be nice as well)

[ryan]

Oops, sorry about the disappearance, but it looks like I wasn't alone. Where did everyone go?

I can understand your suspicion ryan, but the fact is HurriKaty played anti-town and that's why I was after her. Obviously more than a few others agreed. I have not really had the time to do a proper re-read, as I've been trying to get ready for a big backpacking trip next week (see the Vacation thread), but I promise I will do so today.

No you weren't alone, I'll look forward to your thoughts

[ryan]

I'm here. I'm just not that engaged (I think I speak for a lot of people) because of the loss of two pro-town power roles and 3 town players total being dead. With Albert's gambit yesterday, I know that I'm in mindset when I feel that everyone's testimony is poisoned because of Albert's play and his ability to rally everyone into focusing on him.

As a person on the side of the town, I hope I'm not alone in saying that

I feel a bit bleak about Day Two

, and thus have not paid much attention to this game out of all my games because of these circumstances.

In fact, this may be a situation where the

rats

stay

on

the boat.

I don't disagree it looks bad for us, but by nobody talking we dont have any ideas on what scum to go after, ya know?

[ryan]

Well all we have in Day 2 is VD voting Vollkan, I've started by looking at both their posts to see if either looks scummy and their voting tendencies. We have a few lurkers who either need a prod, replacement, or step up and say something. Those are just my ideas at the moment, but something conversational would help us find the scum don't ya think?

[ryan]

Miztef or StallingChamp, feel like weighing in?

[ryan]

Umm... what exactly is the status of StallingChamp...?

After the... incident?

Uh oh, what did he do?

[ryan]

His last post was on Wednesday. Until today, neither Gossip, DeathSauce, VD or myself had posted since Wednesday. Miztef also hasn't posted since Wednesday.

The discussion has picked up a bit now, so they (Miztef and SC) have no excuse for not participating.

I do kinda miss Miztef's "weighing in" always gives me something to think about when he posts

[ryan]

I realize that the count of how many mafia to how many town is important but it seems very distracting to worry about the count instead of worrying about who is scum, how about we hunt some scum now?

[ryan]

I'm fairly suspicious of Paradoxombie today. Yesterday it seemed he was adamant on killing ABR and many of his posts became irrational and emotional. He then switched to hurrikaty in the end, stateing that:

Wow, I gotta say, I didn't think any possible occurance could ever convince me to vote anyone but ABR, short of a believable cop claim

It looks like I was very wrong

Vote: HurriKaty

just wow

it is unfortunate, though, that we'll get essentially no clues from her death if she is scum

Since both these players have been found as town, it leads me to believe it is possible he is scum attacking the most viable bandwagon.

ABR was clearly lying, I still don't understand why you guys couldn't see that.

So first I bandwagon a liar and then someone you admit was extremely anti-town and just because they both turned out to be actually town that makes me suspicious?

doesn't seem justified to me.

Well what direction do you suggest we go now? Without our doctor and cop we are in kind of a delicate situation

[ryan]

Sorry vollkan but I agree alot of these threads are on ABR, and it's hard to see anyone else except that crazy bastard (lol) I'll get a more detailed post as time permits this week

[ryan]

Oops, sorry about the disappearance, but it looks like I wasn't alone. Where did everyone go?

Read to me like a very lurky move and a convenient excuse to not post something

OK, I am day late, and I wish I had something grand and earthshaking to say, but SO MANY of the pages of this thread are about ABR!

Content was promised and than not delivered as the ABR excuse makes it way out again and although I realize that ABR did muddy up the thread it’s still important as a town member to probe and find the mafia, this was his “promised detailed post” Very wishy washy to me. Also seems to be more worried about the ratio of town to mafia than actually finding mafia. I’m confident in my vote. I’ll look at some of the other “active” players next

[ryan]

Also, could you be more of a hypocrite? How can you attack that post when you made THIS post, quoted in it's ENTIRETY, just yesterday!?

Sorry vollkan but I agree alot of these threads are on ABR, and it's hard to see anyone else except that crazy bastard (lol) I'll get a more detailed post as time permits this week

#1 I understand trying to find the setup of the game BUT we seem to be going about this counterproductive. Why not analyze the players we have instead of worrying about the setup? I find it to be "busy work" and done just to look active. IF we find a scum correct today than we put ourselves closer to winning, which is our goal correct?

#2 I agree that ABR muddied up the game BUT that can't be an excuse not to post content about players and activity. And with that being said....................

[ryan]

Reading the game through again here is some things I picked out. (depending on activity of course)


DeathSauce: Thinks ABR is town (215) Wants to get new players imput to get some fresh perspective. Finds VD made a quick vote on ABR’s death and is suspicious. 502 again seems distracting and not much into finding scum. Basically just about ABR, being gone and doesn’t have anything to say. Also brings up the setup (again) eventually we are going to have to worry more about scum instead of the setup and numbers that are counterproductive and done (IMO) to look active when you really aren’t.

TopHat goombapatrol054: Being replaced and a good thing because I have NO clue on his role as he hasn’t posted much of anything. Definetly a non contributor

Miztef: Seems to be pretty pro town as has been somebody who’s brought up discussion and continued discussion. Was one of the first that didn’t like how ABR was seen by the players and had the idea of keeping him around to Day 2 (160) Had suspicion of Para (238) Post 381 was strange as he put HK and Ivy as scummy and than said that HK promising content was more scummy than a lurker. Dropped the hammer on HK and while the hammer can be seen as scummy this time it was the town’s agreement that HK was scum. Thinks Lowell as protown and throws out that VD is suspicious as well. Post 500 was appreciated as Miztef continues to show his towniness (IMO) as he looks at the current active players. Thinks paradox/VanDamien/Truegossip are three to watch out for, doesn’t say what he feels they could be but throws a red flag at them. 509 a pressure vote on para to get posting

Paradoxombie: Asking about a SK in 482 was interesting as that really hadn’t been brought up until you did. Has posted very little viable content. Seems to be ABR’s #1 target, did ABR see something that we are missing? Did agree to die to prove ABR’s “guilt” but sacrificing townies is not my #1 way to play this game. Returns to post and say that a SK could have taken out ABR but offers little explanation on the SK theory. 501 admits to bandwagoning and is upset that just because it didn’t work out that the town has turned on him. Post 506 is not helpful to the town and not even enough to consider lurking

TrustGossip: Replaced in with a somewhat negative outlook on the game. Not much of a post in 486, says he’s here but that ABR has muddied the waters and isn’t very positive about Day 2. 489 admits to “not contributing” A possible scum lurker who I'll be watching a little closer now

StallingChamp: Ever since his “girlfriend problem” hasn’t posted a whole heck of a lot to give me a good read. Post 318 about “forgetting the game” was a little weird. How do you forget you signed up for a game? Possible lurking. Did bring up the “jester role” in post 442 which was odd. 359 post was interesting as he’s calling out lurkers BUT had lurked quite a bit to that point. 373 is a defensive vote and an odd one. (425) FoS’s me for asking that HK be given a chance to clarify her stance in the game and says I let a lurker go by, well what have you been doing?

VanDamien: Started out actively looking for scum in the first few pages, than kind of dropped off. Still wondering if he did this to give the impression he was active and is now lurking. Seemed to be the leader in the “lynch ABR” discussion. Will drop the hammer on ABR if he gets to -1 (which he did) Claimed vanilla in 193. Offered to die to help the town (204) Tries to get the town to take out ABR Day 1 and gives reasons why Day 2 is bad (257) Post 341 talks about lynching mafia three consecutive times BUT we still hadn’t lost any players yet, did he have an idea that his scum buddies were playing the game well enough to take a large lead? Suspects Vollkan could be cooking the numbers to throw off the town. Comes back in 491 with some observations on Trust, Para and Death, tries to stand out and say he doesn’t need people to follow as he’s a leader

vollkan: Has kept it pretty vanilla. Not too quick to lynch when Snichken got close to a hammer. Did ask VD and ABR what situation they wanted (208) I would have rather seen him ask the town what situation we were interested in doing. Says that his numbers were a mistake and meant to keep up discussion. 492 comes back and talks about a few of the comments made about him. Has also been big on the "Setup" of the game but still seems to be looking for our scum although having more of a stance on players would be appreciated. Seems to not want to be assertive with votes and opinions, hoping that he takes more of a stand with who he thinks our scum is

[ryan]

Ryan, I am taking summer classes and they are killing me.

And I think I have contributed something very important that you are obviously too obtuse to construe as assistence:

This might be a situation where the

rats

stay

on

the ship.

Translated:

Because we have lost both a cop and a doctor, the game is in a state where the scum should become bolder in their movements and designs. If I'm conjecturing correctly (this is a big if), they would amplify whatever they were doing Day One; be it playing exactly as if they were town, flying under the radar with moderately helpful but ultimately misleading, namedropping and headhunter tactics, or any myriad of possible behaviors.

Blame it on inexperience/laziness/lack of time, but I'm not entirely sure what the above means for our scumhunt.

Thank you ryan, for the slightly slanderous mention of my name that has provoked me out of doing calculus homework to respond in this game.

I think I was pretty fair in my assessment of you in this game. You haven't posted a whole lot of content, you have admitted to lurking and you just admitted that because I brought up your name you came out of "doing your homework" to post. Obviously that means you are keeping track of the thread without posting content which to me is anti-town. I realize you had the comment about the scum possibly acting bolder (which was a good point) But nobody is really acting like anything right now and whether that be due to fear of lynching another townie or inactivity, getting some discussion going is our #1 asset right now which is what I had hoped to do with my analysis.

I had heard about StallingChamp's little "mishap" but didn't know what the current status was of his activity on the site, thanks for the imput.

[ryan]

Actually Miztef just hearing some thoughts from Para would be a welcome change. Also was TopHat going to be replaced? And what about StallingChamp?

[ryan]

Paradoxombie: The point I was making is that there is very little to go on when it comes to you. You haven't really taken a stance on who you believe is scum nor have you put anything together that shows a case on anyone. I consider that to be not helpful to us finding the scum and why I do have suspicion toward you. Post worthy conclusions is what this game is all about, coming up with ideas on who you find scummy and that is what is lacking from you right now

[ryan]

Well to be honest, I still haven't re-read day 1, yet.

I'm in 4 games so I usually just come on and post about in one, but don't have quite enough time to go all the way back over this one.

When I have the chance to re-read I'll see what I can do about having more suspicions/conclusions

When can we expect some conclusions from you?

[ryan]

well I have exams all week, but I rarely study(god bless High School)

Since they're over earlier I guess I'll re-read in the next few day. I'm not gonna promise any conclusions though, I did that in another game, and when I couldn't find any good ones that screwed me.

I pretty much guarantee some suspicions though, but I can't vouch for their validity, yet

I think some content to go by will help your cause, right now we have alot of people sitting back/lurking and not doing a whole heck of alot.

[ryan]

I think I can speak for the game when I say, we all understand that "real life" takes over for this game. The thing is with this current stage of the game I would hope that our activity would pick up and it has kind of crawled to a hault. I appreciate you checking in at least and letting us know a few of your opinions, since this is an opinion driven game. There have been quite a few posts from people that I'd like to hear other perspectives from. Para has a couple of votes on him from (IMO) pro town players. Do you feel they are justified? Anybody else hit a blip on your scumdar?

[ryan]

I think the main case I have against Deathsauce is the lack of actual content. Looking back through his posts I just don't see alot that is worthwhile in finding scum. I just find it lurky and with the thread crawling right now I would hope some content would come. I do think fresh blood with replacements for StallingChamp and TopHat will be a welcome change, as TopHat fell off the thread completely and StallingChamp........well he's had other "issues" I believe.

Vollkan: I am leaning on VD being town with a definete townie being placed on Miztef. The three right now I'm thinking are scum is Deathsauce, Paradoxombie and either TopHat or StallingChamp. I get a pro town vibe from you with your posts and since I know I'm town, I'm thinking that 3 of those 4 are the scum as it looks like the overall thought process is that we have 3 scum.

[ryan]

Well the "little" pressure I tried didn't work as we failed to get much of anything on DeathSauce, which doesn't necessarily mean scummy but I'm confident enough in the case I presented earlier that I'm going to stick with him as my vote. To those of you who haven't placed a vote on anyone yet. Vollkan, Trustgossip and Paradoxombie (the three who have been active with some posts) who do you feel are our scum? Any new ideas that might spark some debate?

[ryan]

What exact scum hunting have you done Deathsauce? Looking back at your posts you’ve done just enough to look busy while not posting any clear cut explanations. Yet you posted this in post 140

Ha! I like this theory. I am also going to start voting lurkers here pretty soon, we've got a few people that aren't contributing anything.

No game conclusions from you, no summary, nada. Just a bunch of claims at people with no evidence. Look back through, I’ve posted individual player summaries, and actively been looking, can you say the same? I mean the only person you posted any (little amount) of content about was ABR and heck everyone thought he was scum for the way he played. You did constantly bring up the possibility about a “psychopath role” even after that was proved to not exist. Than post 248

Bah!

Unvote

.

I can't keep my vote on a replacement player.

The question I have is this. If you feel the player’s “role” is scummy, why wouldn’t you keep a vote on them until the replacement has time to comment? You seem to think that a new player will sway your vote, I completely disagree. A player is playing a role, if that role is scummy, I’m keeping my vote on till I hear from the replacement as to why they shouldn’t have a vote on them and their analysis. You seem quick to jump off your vote. I than ask you a question in post 249

So Deathsauce, you haven't weighed in awhile, what do you think about this whole Albert B. Rampage, Paradoxombie and Miztef? Any opinions you'd like to share?

Completely ignored as you disappear until post 284 to welcome DogMom into our game (oh speaking of misquoting) How about this gem

Here's my latest re-reading of the situation, in brief.

Albert's goal seems to be to make it to Day Two.

No explanation until day 2 for you

if I'm wrong I won't even last until Day2.

we can do as Miztef said and lynch me on Day 2

also reference his bet with VanDamien which was engineered to get him to survive until Day Two.

I'm not sure what the significance of surviving an extra day is, but it seems odd. The fact that Miztef seemed to have the same goal is possibly useful information.

You were upset at me for misquoting you or only taking a few lines, yet you did the same thing earlier? Post 502 complains about ABR being all over the place but eventually we WILL have to let that go and concentrate on the current players right? You promised content before that and still never took a stance on anyone and you brought up the setup of the game (IMO) a nice way to swerve the rest of us into that argument instead of actively looking for you and your buddies. Than you leave June 7th and fast forward to post 548 where you throw suspicion at myself, Miztef and VD with the argument that we don’t have any evidence or content to back up our claims. The post is more defensive than it is helpful in finding scum. You target me for no content yet you drop this as your evidence on me

Ryan keeps trying to harp on my lack of content,

but I have been at least as active as the average player in this game

. Ryan has a lot more posts, but I would argue actually contain less content. Ryan intentionally misquoted me just one page back by isolating ONE sentence from a 3 paragraph post and presenting it as the entirety of the post, while at the same time agreeing with my analysis.

Vote:ryan

SO you admit to not being as active as you could be YET you think you have better content than I do? Please point it out to me. Than you throw this cherry on top of my argument on you

Para has a couple of votes on him from (IMO) pro town players.

I just noticed this. The two voting Para are Miztef and Van Damien! I have to say I was not expecting such a blatant slip-up and it only confirms my belief that the three of you are scum.

So three people think somebody is scum and so that means they have to be scum together? Looks to me as though you were looking for a cheap way to find three people together and targeted us, more defensive than anything. You are scum, period. Now the question is, who are your buddies?

[ryan]

Hey I'm glad you finally showed your true colors. I don't understand though how you get upset with me for not posting evidence (when looking back clearly I did) yet you throw out a claim that Miztef, VD and I are scum with no evidence except we voted for you.

[ryan]

Struck a nerve? Absolutley not. I'm putting my opinion out there on your comments. I mean if you are going to finger me for something that you've done as well it's a little hypocritical isn't it? You fingered three people scum because they voted you which in my mind is scummy. I'm confident enough in my claim to post about it, the question is, are you?

[ryan]

VD: I'm confused by your statement. What scum defended eachother directly? (as stated in your post) I see Deathsauce thumbing us a scum trio for posting thoughts and feeling somewhat the same (although your vote in now on Para which I missed) on people who are scum, who were you speaking of? Also DeathSauce is my vote for today but with you saying you'd be happy to see Para or DeathSauce go, who do you feel is the third scum partner?

[ryan]

I will say this VD, your third being Vollkan is interesting. Knowing I am town makes me immediately suspicious about DeathSauce's scum trio pairing but to also do it because Miztef and I "agree on things" is a little puzzling. There were three people commenting for the longest time in this thread (Vollkan weighed in a little for #4) and either we would have been agreeing on some things we saw, arguing constantly (no help to the town) or coming up with some content. I think the past 3 pages (maybe 4) are filled with ideas and thoughts that the lurky people in this thread need to check out. DeathSauce has used very shady reasons for his vote, thrown out a scum trio with not alot of valid reasons. I'm more confident in DeathSauce being our scum than Para and to be honest I wouldn't be shocked to see TopHat in there just because it's very possible he was a scum that was frustrated on how to use his role.

[ryan]

How aren't we being careful? You have two votes on your head and with 5 to lynch the possibility of a quick lynch is darn near impossible. I stated a case on why I thought you were scum and I'm a quick vote? Did you take anything away from Day 1 and how it went down? I used Day 1 thoughts to support my Day 2 case on you. Definetly not done quickly nor an attempt at a quick lynch.

[ryan]

If three people voted all in a row and quickly, wouldn't it be obvious who was scum?

[ryan]

Honestly Miztef as much good discussion (finally) we've had the last 3 pages there haven't been any bandwagon's start on anyone. I think DeathSauce is our scum and that is why he hasn't been quicklynched, why would his buddies want to eliminate him?

[ryan]

TG: Interested in the conclusions you promised for yesterday, what did ya find out?

[ryan]

Anyway, now we get to a point where general consensus is narrowing down to either DeathSauce or Para

Geez, if this isn't a blatant example of "leading" I guess I've never see one.

Every time I re-read I become more and more convinced that ryan, miztef, and VanDamien are the scum. Each of the rest of us has been on the receiving end of their suspicion,

it's time we lynch one of them.

And you call VD's post leading, what is that?

[ryan]

I have a question to Vollkan and TrustGossip, you two have been fairly active but still haven't laid a vote on anyone, any suspicions that you two have that we could discuss? Paradoxombie, you asked a few questions of VD, happy with the answers you received? Any scumminess coming out of anyone in your mind at this time?

[ryan]

Back from the CWS and WOW has this thread taken an interesting change of direction. Reading through what I've seen so far I still believe DeathSauce to be our likely scum but now Miztef is starting to shine through as not the pro townie I believe you to be. Setting a "trap" always makes me think of a scum trying to save his own butt by posting something and than if the going got tough you could say "Well on post (whatever) I proved I was town by doing this" admitting to the trap was also surprising, I'm going to re-read what I missed from you while I was gone but for now my vote stands. Vollkan, I've only read a few of your posts since I was gone but you are buying into me Miztef and VD being a scum trio? I'd like some evidence of this. I've done enough pro town moves in this game that I'm a little surprised that a "trap" being set isn't looked upon as you (a self proclaimed pro town player) to be a little scummy. I've stated my case on DeathSauce already in this game, Miztef is interesting as I thought he was pro town the entire way, and with two still not being replaced, I believe one of them (either TopHat or StallingChamp) to be a scum as well. In all honesty, they could both be scum with either Miztef or DeathSauce (another scenario I haven't seen posted about)

[ryan]

Miztef: I didn't say you were currently under any scrutiny (before your trap) I said it could be used LATER to make you look innocent if you came under any fire. I'm still not sure why you admitted to the trap as soon as you did, and the motive to "move the game along" doesn't really float with me. You had been doing things very pro town up to that point and why you'd change your course of action is confusing.

Vollkan: Let's see if I can answer your questions

1) I thought Miztef was pro town pretty much the entire game and agreed with almost everything he said, now I'm not so sure. Moving the game along is one thing but setting a "trap" that is just not pro town in my opinion

2) and 3) I think it was already posted that the unvote wouldn't have counted and Miztef saying he wouldn't have cared if DeathSauce would have been hammered BUT yet still tries to set a trap doesn't make any sense to me. If he's guilty, than leave your vote and no "out" just seemed to me as though he left it that way in case Death was town than he could have an out and say "well actually there was an unvote there" Still makes me shake my head

[ryan]

In light of re-reading the posts I missed while on vacation I am going to

unvote

I just am not a fan of setting traps that potential townies could find themself in AND than having an out if a townie is lynched. I still feel DeathSauce could be our mafia but Miztef is just not sitting right with me right now. I'm looking back through posts to see what I could have missed about Miztef as I was pretty sure he was pro town. I'm not above admitting mistakes and DeathSauce might have been right about Miztef being mafia but if that's true than my case on DeathSauce might be wrong as well. I'll post something after I get a few things re-read (and done at work) What a tangled web we weeve

[ryan]

I did it because I wanted to progress the game without just stating that I wanted to lynch Deathsauce.

So you wanted to lynch me, but unvoted me? Why would you do that? If you wanted me lynched, you should have kept your vote on me. I am trying very hard, believe it or not, to find a pro-town reason for your "trap" and I am finding it difficult.

I'm not sure how I could be so wrong, and although you could still be scum Deathsauce I'm starting to agree with you about Miztef pulling an anti town move. I've read and re-read and read some more and I still find it to be scummy BUT I'm not sure why he'd admit to his plan unless he thought he was going to be found out and figured he'd try and come clean to look more townie. *shaking my head* If you aren't pro town, you are anti town and I am NOT a fan of anti town players so........

Vote Miztef

[ryan]

You consider me town all game and than because you set an "anti town trap" and I call you on it I'm considered scum? Interesting

[ryan]

Miztef: So who in your opinion should be lynched today and why?

[ryan]

See that's the thing Miztef, unless you and Deathsauce are doing a GREAT act, I still find him suspcious as well, but the trap man, OH the trap, it just is so anti town to do something like that and not have people put a vote on you. I really thought you played (up to that) so pro town that when read it I was like "WTF!" You had seemed to be very pro town to me but than that happened and I just can't let somebody off the hook who pulls an anti town move ya know?

StallingChamp and TrustGossip are two that need to bring something to the table. StallingChamp I believe is still banned so he needs to be replaced (which I know is an ongoing process) and even Para has been very quiet all of a sudden as well. Top Hat also needs replaced and it would be nice to have some imput other than 4 people (well and VD has dropped a few comments in I guess)

[ryan]

I'm not sure who the StallingChamp comment was directed toward but the reason I asked for the imput or replacement is we seem to have about 4 people actively commenting and if anything it was just a nudge at our mod to get us some replacements in (plus I wasn't sure if StallingChamp was still banned or not) We've needed two replacements for quite awhile now, I agree.

I am a little interested in why you aren't a little upset about the Miztef trap on you. If you are town (such as you have claimed) having somebody set a trap that could have had me lynched when I know I'm town would have made me a little upset

[ryan]

Miztef: I think it's helpful to the scum because now we've spent what, three pages talking about "the trap" instead of doing some scum hunting. Hence why I said it was anti town earlier, it's not helping us find the mafia.

[ryan]

Miztef: Wasted was probably a harsh word to say, basically we've been back and forth on you for your plan and you are right, we are sitting here restating things.

4 people have been consistently active in this game and it's time that we get some fresh perspective from some of the others. You aren't close to a lynch nor is anyone else. So I think VD, Para and TrustGossip need a little time to catch up with the pages BUT I expect them to participate and give some thoughts. I hate to hit the brakes on the thread but those three (along with our two newbies, whenever they are brought in) would be appreciated with some insight. I'd like some other thoughts to think about.

[ryan]

I am done defending the trap. ryan is right in that we need to get back to looking for scum, we are only restating things to each other now.

I don't like this bit at all. Ryan thinks everything that has been said over the last few pages is useless in hunting scum (funny, though, that it was useless enough for Ryan to cast a vote) and Miztef agrees. This looks very evasive on Miztef's part and makes me think back to everything in [604], with Ryan possibly pulling out a distancing vote to dissolve the Ryan/Miztef possibility.

Definetly NOT a distancing vote by me. I think I've stated a few times that I feel like people in the past 3-4 pages are agreeing that the trap wasn't a good one and instead of talking about other possible scum (StallingChamp, TopHat, TrustGossip for example) we seem to be focusing entirely on Miztef and not trying to figure out his partner or partners. If anyone is distancing/lurking, Paradoxombie and TrustGossip seem to be the quietest during this entire debate (I'd even throw VD into that equation) We've had alot of content and things to discuss yet three of our "active" players aren't weighing in. Para saying that he "forgot that he hadn't posted in awhile" is a little strange because he admits to reading (so he should know he hasn't posted any content in awhile) I did see he weighed in finally but didn't really take a stance. Saying he sees minor scum tells (on Miztef and DS) without sighting them sounds like a scum trying to throw suspicion on two people who have had their fair share of suspicion the past 7 or 8 pages. More content with your accusations would be beneficial to the rest of the town.

[ryan]

I am done defending the trap. ryan is right in that we need to get back to looking for scum, we are only restating things to each other now.

I don't like this bit at all. Ryan thinks everything that has been said over the last few pages is useless in hunting scum (funny, though, that it was useless enough for Ryan to cast a vote) and Miztef agrees. This looks very evasive on Miztef's part and makes me think back to everything in [604], with Ryan possibly pulling out a distancing vote to dissolve the Ryan/Miztef possibility.

Definetly NOT a distancing vote by me. I think I've stated a few times that I feel like people in the past 3-4 pages are agreeing that the trap wasn't a good one and instead of talking about other possible scum (StallingChamp, TopHat, TrustGossip for example) we seem to be focusing entirely on Miztef and not trying to figure out his partner or partners. If anyone is distancing/lurking, Paradoxombie and TrustGossip seem to be the quietest during this entire debate (I'd even throw VD into that equation) We've had alot of content and things to discuss yet three of our "active" players aren't weighing in. Para saying that he "forgot that he hadn't posted in awhile" is a little strange because he admits to reading (so he should know he hasn't posted any content in awhile) I did see he weighed in finally but didn't really take a stance. Saying he sees minor scum tells (on Miztef and DS) without sighting them sounds like a scum trying to throw suspicion on two people who have had their fair share of suspicion the past 7 or 8 pages. More content with your accusations would be beneficial to the rest of the town.

[ryan]

Miztef: I have stated that your "trap" is anti town and that is why you have a vote on me. I wouldn't be surprised if DeathSauce is your scumbuddy, but for now, I'm happy with keeping you as my #1 choice. DeathSauce is FAR from leading a charge on you, you have three people who find you scummy with the verdict still out on Vollkan's choice. I won't lie that I am still wondering how you could appear pro town and than all of a sudden pull an anti town move, but eh, it's a game and a slipup by you which is the reason I'm sticking to you as a vote

[ryan]

Miztef: Please read back through my posts before saying that I haven't given any insight. I've stated my case on you pretty clearly since I placed my vote.

[ryan]

Excellent. Two new replacements to shed some light on what we've been talking about. Glad to have you both aboard.

[ryan]

LOL at Miztef. Wiggle Room? Not necessary Miztef. I did think until you pulled your trap that you were town, that was an anti town move and one that caused me to change my thinking on you and place the vote (something I've stated before) Why is it improbable that you and DeathSauce are both scum?

[ryan]

Para: You have a vote on DeathSauce, but who do you believe are his partners and why?

[ryan]

I don't disagree that DS has done some pretty scummy things but the case I have on Miztef is he very easily could have lynched a townie with his "trap" but than admitted it to the rest of us, but what if DeathSauce is lynched and comes up town? Where do you go next?

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Para: You've done much better the last few pages but have been a little sporadic (sp?) and there has been some length in between you posts. I'm trying to get a read on you as I've been watching the Miztef/DeathSauce situation close and some of the "not as intense posters" have kinda slipped by. Our two replacements are high on my watch list right now as we haven't heard anything from them yet and their opinions on this game should be interesting (course with 28 pages they could still be reading, lol)

[ryan]

Okay for the n-th time, any other game doesn't matter.

If you really consider the move too risky, another game shouldn't make any difference

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Agreed. Let's see what the newbies have to say on this as I'm interested in a perspective that maybe we are missing about this situation

[ryan]

VD: Just so I can make sure I followed your last post (cause you jumped from Miztef to DeathSauce and back) You unvoted but are still keeping your eyes on Miztef, does that mean you find DeathSauce to be worthy of your vote, OR are you looking at somebody else? (not mentioned)

[ryan]

Newbies? Have you got any content to add?

[ryan]

VD: Please answer my question in 702

[ryan]

Okay

Vote:Ryan

Thanks for replying with some content VD. I just asked a simple question of you because I wanted to make sure I understood your post.

[ryan]

LOL, too dense as in too much information or too much conflicting info?

[ryan]

LOL, too dense as in too much information or too much conflicting info?

I believe they both induce migraines, so... both.

Will try to scrap something together, but I just did a reread of another game and am a little mentally pooped.

I understand TG, we do have alot of content in this thread. The July 7th deadline worries me a little bit as with the 4th coming up it's possible we could have a few of us doing activities. Some fresh content would be appreciated.

[ryan]

Nice analysis Sir Tornado, some interesting points brought up that I had frankly, forgot about and good to see you contribute something before our deadline on Saturday

Sweenytodd: Able to post yet? I'd like to hear what you think about Miztef/Deathsauce and the others in the game.

[ryan]

WOW. It's nice to see our replacements bringing some content. We had been so use to TopHat and StallingChamp not doing anything I think we forgot they were even in the game. I do have a quickie for you Sweenytodd. You called Miztef's plan "horrendous" do you feel it was an anti town plan?

[ryan]

Sweenytodd: Are you saying that VD wanted Albert dead earlier Day 1 and got his wish that night?

[ryan]

Ok, I see what you are saying, VD threw out some numbers and it looked as though Miztef and Vollkan ignored those. But if I remember didn't Miztef, Vollkan and a host of others offer numbers showing different scenarios? I can't remember, it's been a LONG time ago and since we're nearing 750 posts it's hard to keep that all straight ya know?

[ryan]

Paradoxombie: Nothing from you since last Friday, any thoughts on what the replacements have said so far?

Votecount:
DeathSauce 3 (Miztef, Paradoxombie, vollkan)
Miztef 2 (DeathSauce, ryan)
Ryan 1 (VanDamien)

Not voting 3: SweenyTodd, Trustgossip, SirTornado

With 9 alive it takes 5 votes to lynch. At deadline, it's 3 to lynch, or the person with the most votes.

[ryan]

VD's behavior has struck me as pro-town-ish the past 3 pages,

but I would like an explanation of the vote on ryan.

I hope to check in at least one more time before the deadline.

I'm interested in the randomness of it without an explanation or content jsut a vote and bail.

[ryan]

VD: If I've been so guilty since Day 1, why have you put two votes on me, one in random stage and one with a deadline looming? Here’s VD’s vote tally

Post 7: Votes Ryan (Random Stage)
Post 65: Unvote Vote: Snichkin
Post 116: Unvote Vote: Albert B. Rampage.
Post 182: Unvote
Post 362 Vote: Hurrikaty
Post 475 Vote Vollkan
Post 520 Unvote
Post 523 vote: Paradoxombie
Post 587 unvote vote: DeathSauce
Post 611 unvote Vote: Miztef
Post 701 Unvote
Post 707 Vote Ryan

Saying that I haven’t been finding scum (which you’ve hinted at in your War and Peace posts you’ve been posting) is really WIFOM. I could easily say that you’ve been lurking through the game with no solid stance on anyone until right before a deadline.

[ryan]

I'd like to hear what the three non-voting think of recent events.

LOL, you just stole my question too. We had three not weigh in with a vote before a deadline, I was wondering what they thought as well. Especially TrustGossip, looking back through I'm having a tough time getting a read on you either way as I don't have alot of content from you to go on.

[ryan]

I'm gonna go right ahead and FoS: ryan.

I was really suspicious of his vote on me

, and he's the big lead for me right now. We are in a really desperate situation now though, so I won't vote until nessessary.

Care to elaborate?

[ryan]

I stated earlier what made me change my mind on you Miztef. I thought for most of the game you were pro town but that stupid plan just seemed anti town and with that said I can't say something is anti town and than not vote for the person who did it can I? DeathSauce coming up town did surprise me and I definetly figured there was a good chance that you two were distancing eachother a little bit with some of the back and forth that was going on. Today to be honest I'm really interested in the three who didn't vote before the deadline and why they chose to keep their opinions silent. I do understand that Sweeny and Tornado had alot to re-read but they also had some pretty good posts about the game and than didn't vote. TrustGossip also interests me as he's been pretty quiet and almost playing too safe for awhile now.

[ryan]

Vollkan: What part of my statement isn't correct? If you aren't helping the town you are hurting them right? Miz had a plan (that he thought would help) and look what it did, caused a ton of suspicion on somebody even I thought was pro town earlier and also has been the main topic for what, 10-15 pages? Instead of getting some of our lurkers talking (ie: TrustGossip) we went round and round right up to deadline, had 3 people not even vote or help us find the scum and than we lost a townie. I place some of that blame on a "plan" that didn't work (not all but some) Why wouldn't Miztef be sitting right with me? He tried a little trickery, knew he would get caught by the mod or the town and than tried to drop a "whoops I'm sorry, bad mistake, but I'm still town" bunch of comments. He did pull an anti town move (IMO) and that's why I placed a confident vote on him. It's not like I voted Deathsauce and than two pages later unvoted and voted Miztef. And actually you and Miztef had votes on Deathsauce (who ended up town) why is it so unlikely that you two aren't working together?

Votecount:
Not voting : everybody

With 7 alive it takes 4 votes to lynch.

[ryan]

I'm not sure how anyone has a read on TrustGossip.

[ryan]

Anyone have anything new they'd like to bring to the game? (awfully quiet so consider this a post to get discussion moving again)

[ryan]

SweenyTodd and Trustgossip could use a nudging

[ryan]

SweenyTodd and Trustgossip are two that I have ZERO read on. I have a few suspicions on Vollkan and Miz, but without some more content from the two players I mentioned, I'm not confident in a vote at this time.

[ryan]

SweenyTodd and Trustgossip need prods, Miztef might need one as well

[ryan]

Prodded SweenyTodd and TrustGossip.

What is the latest on the prod?

[ryan]

Any update on Sweenytodd or TrustGossip? I'd like to get some discussion going but it seems like most of the game isn't checking in anymore. Sir Tornado? Miztef? Vollkan? Para? You guys still checking in?

[ryan]

Welcome =Confused=!!!!!! Enjoy the re-read 8)

Votecount:
ryan (1): Paradoxombie

With 7 alive it takes 4 votes to lynch.

[ryan]

d3sisted: Impressive entry into the game, good job. Any ideas on who might be paired with Miztef?

[ryan]

d3sisted: I was interested in your point of view actually. There have been so many theories in this game that a fresh one would be very much welcomed. I don't disagree with your theory (although I'm not scum) but the point that has been made a few times is having a bunch of townies arguing while the mafia sits quiet, what is to say that you aren't scum and hence why you know so much about me and Miztef's allignment?

[ryan]

d3sisted: I was interested in your point of view actually. There have been so many theories in this game that a fresh one would be very much welcomed. I don't disagree with your theory (although I'm not scum) but the point that has been made a few times is having a bunch of townies arguing while the mafia sits quiet, what is to say that you aren't scum and

hence why you know so much about me and Miztef's allignment?

Haha, damn, you turned my post completely around on me

Just looking at the situation from two different sides (kinda like you)

[ryan]

So who's the scummiest in your opinion Para?

[ryan]

=confused= Anything on your re-read?

[ryan]

=confused= I admit it's been a little while since I re-read the entire thread but even you have brought up some stuff I had forgotten about with Miz, nicely done. I might need to do a little reading up on him again.

[ryan]

d3sisted: Or the mafia framing

[ryan]

Claim What? That you are scum, I'll save you the post with the HAMMER!!

Vote: Adam The Amazing

[ryan]

... although I will admit that I had to do absolutely nothing than hang in there to get this scumbag win... kuddos to Ryan and

Vollkan

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Easily the MVP goes to Vollkan in this one. I will admit I thought Para was a good play to nightkill awhile ago but making me seem like a OMGUS person was our main key to send the VIG after me and leave Vollkan and ST in the clear. Sir Tornado did an EXCELLENT job when he replaced in for StallingChamp (who I thought was going to cost us the win) Being this was my first game (and a long one) I'll take the W and be happy with it. Good game townies

[ryan]

My main concern was that there was a SK instead of a Vig and he was unNKable. That would have been a nightmare.

QFT. That was something we weren't going to have fun trying to lynch