New York 181 -- Game Over

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Yeah we're at the part where we all shit post until deadline is close and rush a lynch.

In all seriousness though, are you planning on voting at all? You haven't voted since your self-vote if I'm not mistaken.

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someone who's townreading him should explain me why Pisskop is town.

Does this mean you weren't satisfied by my points when we discussed this earlier?

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I'm reading the thread and don't realize that.

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I dont get the Delta read.

Yeah, I'd love this explained because I'm pretty sure Royal went from Delta and Anen being scum together for associatives early in the game to now they are mafia and SK because the first theory is impossible. At the risk of sounding like Anen, this seems to fall under the whole regardless of card thing. Royal, please correct me if I'm misremembering. Why is Delta SK?

Or that Anen is mafia?

Why can't he be?

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Why?

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That's...actually pretty fair. Hmm...

I mean the Drixx scum flip pretty much made Delta non-mafia. And I was already town reading him before that. You make good SK points though.

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The game of mafia is nothing but WIFOM. Just sayin

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Neither do I. No one wants to explain it.

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Yes, I think pisskop is town.

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He might be scum, but I like his pictures.

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I love the pigeons and the fish was funny. Just sayin'

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Anen, do you really need that answered again?

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Flubber
Dragon
Anen
Royal
ABR
Delta
Ap
Tex
Pisskop
Ika
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Yes, it's L-1.

Unvote

Let ika claim/clarify/whatever his results and then I'll re vote.

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There's nothing wrong with process of elimination in general. However, when you have two PoE scum reads, yes, that implies having town reads on everyone else. And when you say you are eliminating "your reads", but everyone else isn't a town read, well, you are kind of contradicting yourself. It doesn't feel like a real thoght process. It sounds like trying to give the "right" answer and fade back into the background. I think I actually prefer a dragonspawn lynch to flubber right now.

Vote dragonspawn

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AP, why was Silverwolf town? Why is Dragonspawn town?

Anen, I'm not town reading every name from your list. I only recall three names though, not four. And my ISO has plenty of why Delta isn't mafia.

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I dunno. Scum don't usually call every one of their buddies town. They usually call one weak scum at a minimum.

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Hmm. The more words I see from AP today, the more I think I was wrong about his slot and he's town.

I can see the Silverwolf logic. It makes sense. It feels like a genuine attempt to read the slot. And her "I'm town" well after she seems to care about the game anymore very well could be genuine. I don't agree on dragonspawn though. Why can't he be scum who is frustrated with being lynched and losing the game as a result?

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Unvote, Vote Flubber

Deadline is coming. Guess I'll just go back to that

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Yeah anyone not voting dragonspawn or flubber should do so. Deadline is coming

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Ika should claim last night's result. That would make it better.

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Vote Dragonspawn

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You're just now putting effort in because you know you won't survive four lynches and your game is on the line. Some of us have been trying since Day 1.

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Dragonspawn, I have no issue with using process of elimination. Everybody is probably using it to some extent. Even Royal now thinks Anen is town. Why? There's only one scum left, so it can't be Delta/Anen. The issue is that you used PoE to get down to two players without even claiming to have a town read on everyone else. That's not PoE. That's justifying a jump on a wagon that isn't yours. You are overblowing the "I was on the scum lynch" that means jack shit for SK. Acting like you are the world's best scum hunter doesn't matter.

Royal, can you make a town case for Dragonspawn if you're so sure he's town? Can you show me where Delta OMGUS'd?

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I didn't say I was scum reading you for using process of elimination. I said I believe you were trying to justify your vote any way you could.

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But that would require you to have been lying about not town reading the rest of the game.

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Or I could simply have been saying I'm using the process of elimination because that's what I was using.

I am thinking anen is town too. I don't think the serial killer would go out of his way to make arguments for why you should townread someone. It makes.ore sense to obscure reads and put doubt on people

Also it's not that I disagree about Anen probably not being SK, but has anyone NOT explained a single town read in this game?

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Tomorrow yeah

Ummmmmm. Ok then...

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Tomorrow yeah

Ummmmmm. Ok then...

Sorry at my sisters trying to phone post

Ah didn't realize you meant RL days. Was thinking game days.

I need to sleep. I'll give the last page or so a proper read another time

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Royal, that Delta post feels well reasoned and thought out. The fact that the analysis centers around his wagon doesn't make it OMGUS. I think he was genuinely hunting scum in that post whether he is SK or not. However, it's entirely possible that he killed Drixx just to set up that arguement. The only problem is that this requires him to have had a scum read on Drixx that I don't remember him sharing with us because that theory makes no sense if he thought Drixx was town. Again, possible. Just, I don't know how likely it feels. Leaning towards "not very".

Anen, again, I think you are making too many assumptions about the precautions a SK would take to not get caught. How many wagons they jump and how often they get voted is just... not the way I've seen anyone go about finding them. I mean, maybe it will work. But it still assumes you are right about the way they chose to play. That being said, I believe that you believe everything you are saying. It looks like a real attempt to find the SK. So I'm pretty sure you are town at this point.

Tex, I think Delta did more coasting Day 1 than the rest of the game. To say he started coasting after Drixx's flip is just straight wrong.

Delta, I don't see why one of those options has to be true. There's no reason why this has to be a 1 vs 1 situation between you and Tex. You very well could both be town.

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AP, yeah I was more interested in finding mafia than SK until it came down to one mafia remaining. Then I voted Dramonic and Flubber as SK votes. Why is this an issue? If I'd been SK hunting with mafia still alive, you'd accuse me of being mafia for SK hunting. Would you have SK hunted from Day 1 had you not been a replacement? Do you typically SK hunt early in games?

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*shrug*

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I think the idea is that Delta killed Drixx with a scum read on him because a Drixx scum flip would distance Delta from being mafia. But it does nothing to show he isn't SK so I don't really get the point unless he was worried about being lynched. Which maybe makes sense because he was being wagoned. I dunno. It feels like a stretch to me but I can't exactly make a strong argument that it's not what happened so *shrug*

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I'm conflicted. I didn't think the "We" was a scumtell but I think DS's explanation is BS. lol

Ugh. I've got to agree.

^yeah this. I do a shit ton of phone posting and if I've ever had capital letters in spots like that, it's usually because I added something in front of it whether it's online or in a text or whatever. Random capitalization doesn't really happen to me. I mean, it's not a stretch that he could be town and added that anyway, but that explanation doesn't feel truthful to me. And the tone of 4276 is very defeatest. No townie should be upset with an 8:1 gamestate. The SK, however, should be terrified that they have to survive four lynches.

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I'm very interested in tex's answer to that because I thought she realized that the coasting thing was completely inaccurate yet she still voted you with that being the basis if her case last I knew. So unless there is more to it, it feels kind of off.

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AP why haven't you voted for anyone yet?

I was wondering if someone was going to ask . I'm at the point in the game where I want to be cautious. Hilarious lynches on lurkers are probablyn ot going to be effective at this point. I'm thinking. I was tempted to join Texcat's wagon on Pisskop. Delta wagon I'm hesitant on; I don't think Delta is going to be my preferred lynch Today. dragonspawn wagon is terribad and I can't believe its still a thing.

Seems like a weird time to get cautious. I mean, I agree we can't be random lynching and shit but to be more cautious than you would normally in 8:1 feels weird.

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Ap I have no idea what any of that means especially the "up a dragon" thing assuming it isn't a reference to anal sex with a dragon. But yeah I get that we can't get dumb and cocky and lollynch or anything but being more cautious than normal just feels weird.

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I still think texcat is the SK.

Any reason?

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Any reason?

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PoE? So what made you change your read on Dragonspawn then?

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AP:

Any reason?

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How can they dodge when there is no case? You and ABR are both doing this more than anyone and it's frustrating.

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Figures you guys get active while I'm working doubles lol

Didn't think I'd need to announce it here, but I'm V/LA until the 14th.

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I think is clear that im not the sk

Why'd you say this?

and you don't care about catching the SK. At least if we take your last post seriously. We are to believe you don't care about getting lynched as long as another townie, aka me, gets lynched tomorrow.if you were town you'd want us to lynch the SK

This is pretty terrible. If Delta is scum, he said that for town points and no other reason. There is nothing cummy about it.

Top noteworthy -- RIP why wait for a claim at this point? All roles are in effect vanilla townie or SK.

Eventually, we'll have a cop claim.

Still think its Egg, but whatever. Hes the most notably different person since the Flubber lynch

Probably how busy I've been or my mood. I got fucked over at work and struggled to get any real time off until tomorrow. On top of that, I got stuck for mandatory overtime, turning my 3-11 into 3-11, 11-7am right after I got fucked over. Then I get buried in paperwork from convicts starting shit. Mafia hasn't been a priority. I'm good now though. Just today then I'm on vacation for 22 days and any distractions are good things like spending time with my son and playing in the World Series of Poker.

AP, I forget. Did you ever explain why ABR was "probtown". He just kind of disappeared from people's scum lists and I don't really remember why.

I want to try to get to a library before work today. If I do, which is admittedly in doubt, I want to look at the SK's targets and see what their reads were and if it points to anyone or maybe even seems to clear anyone. The best thing I can come up with is SK probably won't kill people who straight up want them dead because it's too obvious, but probably won't kill people with strong town reads on them. I'm not sure much will come from it, but I can't think of a better way to SK hunt at this point . The only one I might do differently is ika because the SK might have actually thought he was the cop. Hell, maybe they even believed Titus's BS doc claim lol. But yeah, I want to look into those kills some.

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Royal, AP told us when there was one mafia left why it was a good idea to start SK hunting. Do you think he'd do that as SK? And would House replace out of a SK slot? I don't think it's him.

RIP, so you checked out Tex's posts for the first half of the game and looked at what dead people said and didn't bother to share what you found? Not so sure I buy that.

Tex, why do the kills other than Dixx point to Delta?

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*sigh*

I guess I'll hammer Delta if I have to...

All we need is three more on Dragonspawn though.

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So vote him

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Nah. Dragonspawn is better.

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Pisskop could be scum I guess, but my gut is telling me to put that one on the backburner.

^this is pretty much exactly how I feel about Tex.

Also lmao @ Anen.

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Oh wow deadline is < 2 days.

I can hammer Delta if Dragonspawn doesn't happen.

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Not a slip...

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You are assuming he knows he'll never be lynched as SK by calling that a SK slip. That's a bad assumption.

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Unvote, Vote Delta

There's no way anything else is happening.

*fingers crossed that the game is over*

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AP,

why do you think the Royal kill makes you look bad?

(<-Answered, but really?) Why did you self vote? Why did you try to fake thinking you got hammered in 4549?

I still think it's dragonspawn. RIP would be my second choice with Tex a very distant third.

Vote dragonspawn

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I didn't think you would be.

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So is egg going for an easy mislynch because he genuinely believes I'm the sk or because I'm an easy mislynch at this point?

If it was that easy, it would have happened the last like 2 or 3 game days when I first started pushing it.

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Why should you be dropped as a suspect? What have you done that makes you townier than before?

Preview edit: lol

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Can someone who is townreadin RIP and Dragonspawn tell me why?

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Anen, ok so why was ABR town then?

And your #2 has no effect on his alignment.

What about his meta are you seeing that is specific to his town game and doesn't apply to his scum game?

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I already claimed mine but it's Dragonspawn, RIP, tex. I don't see any way we lose with those three lynches.

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ABR will lurk as any alignment. And your SK profile made far too many assumptions to eliminate people. What made ABR score low? I don't remember.

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Because you're my second choice if dragonspawn is town. At this point, the closest thing to a clear in my mind is probably somewhere in Anen, pisskop, and AP. None of them are "clear" but those are my strongest town reads. I don't even understand why you are acting like your slot should be confirmed town. ABR. Almost got lynched instead of Dramonic.

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AP, why am I more likely than dragonspawn to kill Royal?

Anen, dragonspawn is still more likely SK than RIP anyway but basically ABR felt scummy throughout the game, especially early, and that case has been made far too many times already. My issue is basically just that people agreed he was scummy and suddenly wrote him off for no reason. The lurky one liner wagony style is usually considered SK play in my experience. I know ABR is usually like that but it felt like he was even more like that than normal here. I don't get the replace out, but that's true regardless of his alignment.

Ap, I feel like Anen is genuinely trying. Yes, he made a lot of bad assumptions and his scores seem pointless. But it feels like a genuine attempt to find the SK and more genuine effort than the rest of us have put in.

I don't care if I'm lynched as long as our town lynched this serial killer.

I'd be more likely to believe this if you didn't keep saying it.

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I'm only one vote. If I could lynch you by myself, I would.

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Ap, this was Royal's last post that gave an opinion on dragonspawn:

Btw notice how delta keeps voting for people on his wagon?

My first thought was that he was trying to flee.

Top suspects -- DeltaWave for reasons mentioned
DragonSpawn -- For recycling my arguments and trying to pass it off as original thought.

Top noteworthy -- RIP why wait for a claim at this point? All roles are in effect vanilla townie or SK.

Not really a defense.

Also, weird kills usually mean one of two things:
1) scum is in trouble and needs to shake things up. Could be a frame job except that Royal's tunnel was on Delta who got lynched. So Royal's reads probably didn't play into it as far as being able to frame somebody. So maybe scum was worried that Royal would re-direct to them and dragonspawn could fit that.
2) the "obvious kills" have terrible reads. You and I probably know who the obvious kills are (I'm thinking of three) but in case the SK doesn't, I don't want to say. But the three I have in mind have all different reads so this doesn't make sense here.

So who is in trouble, needs a shake up, and might have been Royal's next target for a tunnel? I mean, with Royal's recent posts in front of me, I see where she defended dragonspawn, but the post I quoted is more recent than that and is a complete 180 and says that dragonspawn is suspect #2 after Delta. RIP probably didn't need a shakeup, but I can kind of see him going "ok I might be next for Royal after dragonspawn" with this post so he kind of makes sense too. That Royal kill doesn't really make any sense from anyone else.

You only half answered my question though. Why do you think I killed Royal?

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I know it's a fat chance, but I'd like that one explained.

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AP, why wouldn't you be the first person I'd kill as SK? You were the only one as of last night who was hard pushing me and it's easy to go "OMG frame job!" to a bunch of people townreading me when most people had you as town anyway. I still don't see why dragonspawn wouldn't kill Royal though as explained in my last post to you. The Anen vote is weird. I'm pretty sure he's town.

Guys, AP probably isn't scum. The last time I saw him want to be lynched was in Joss Whedon as a hydra with ffery and they were VT. Dragonspawn is probably the SK. Can we finally lynch him?

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AP, I was in that game lol. And I could be wrong, but I thought it was both of you wanting to be lynched. Also, as I said in that game as well, I think you are overestimating how likely it is you get lynched.

Pisskip, can you define "TSO shitfest" for me?

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That was insane

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Is a dragon an animal?

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Unvote, Vote tex

You haven't even talked about AP recently. Now he's L-2 saying he wants to be lynched and suddenly you vote him? Can't remember ever seeing a more opportunistic vote.

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Unvote, Vote tex

You haven't even talked about AP recently. Now he's L-2 saying he wants to be lynched and suddenly you vote him? Can't remember ever seeing a more opportunistic vote.

No, opportunistic would have been hammering him the last time he got to L-1. This vote was just cause he's wearing that silly hat. Pisskop is still the SK, but no one wants to lynch him.

Unvote, Vote dragonspawn

With no alcohol in me, I think I overreacted and you're right that you had the opportunity earlier. It's still a bad vote because you never said AP was scum in any of your recent ISO or even talked about him so I don't get it. But it's not nearly as bad as I thought originally and it's a bad vote whether you are town or SK, so meh.

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Think about what? If anyone will hammer AP? Because I don't think they will. And he's probably town.

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This isn't about information, pisskop. It's about lynching the SK and ending the damn game.

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On Day 6, shouldn't we have enough info to not be lynching purely for info? Your mentality will bring us to a 3p LYLO where lynching the SK immediately keeps us away from that path.

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How is AP an info lynch if you think he is SK. You realize that at least two of the scum reads you mentioned are definitely town, right? Why aren't you doing more to determine which reads you are wrong about? We are running out of lynches faster than you seem to realize.

I would lynch Dragon

 I don't townread AP. I don't townread you [Egg], either.

vote: texcat

This was all today. Yesterday, you voted RIP. Anen is the only player you don't seem willing to lynch. That's not good.

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I give AP the credit of being capable of saying genuine things as scum :\

So do I but I also agree with his post right after this one by you.

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He meant ReaperCharlie

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I don't think King would have been so open about SK play if she were actually SK though. That's why it's so frustrating. Pisskop is probably town.

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Are you sure you dont want to lynch AP?

Yes.

AP, I forgot about that post. But I dunno. The assumption that the SK is a good player feels weird. But at the same time, I'm not sure if Tex views herself as a good player or not. Or rather I'm not sure if she views her play here as being good play. And at the time she said that, it may have been less true than here. So let me ask you this. Would a person who isn't playing well as SK make a post like that that assumes the SK is a good player? Note that I'm not disagreeing with you. Just trying to look at this critically and encourage you to do the same. Now. If Tex is town, I still want to know why she'd make that assumption. It doesn't look like that was ever explained.

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Gonna try something. Note that I'm making an assumption that may or may not be true that SK would want to kill people who suspect them. Let's see if this gives anyone a motive for most of the SK kills.

SK's kills' last stated read on each of you guys:
Drixx:
-Anen - Implied town?
-AP (House) - Very town
-Dragonspawn - Implied scum
-pisskop (King)- Scum
-RIP (ABR) - Less scummy than before
-Tex - "Willing to vote"
^AP and Anen don't seem like they'd have any motive. Everyone else could.

Gamr:
-Anen - Implied very weak scum
-AP - mild scum
-Dragonspawn - Null town
-pisskop - "pisskop is the SK"
-RIP - ABR - town for meta
-Tex - Very weak maybe implied scum but mostly null
^Pisskop has clear motive here. Dragonspawn and ABR are really the only ones who definitely don't, but Texcat even doesn't really. So pisskop, AP, and Anen come out on top interestingly enough.

Titus:
-Anen - Scum
-AP - "questioning" her read. Scroll up a little and she calls him SK "gun to her head"
-Dragonspawn - Scum, judging by the vote.
-pisskop - "not mafia, maybe SK"
-RIP (ABR) - "would hammer" not her "favorite lynch"
-Tex - Moderate town
^So everyone has motive here except Tex

ika (I'm putting almost no stock in this one because everyone seemed to have him as pretty obvtown and some people may have even believed his cop claim):
-Anen - Can't really find any better than doesn't understand a null town read. *Shrug*
-AP - Annoying town
-dragonspawn - lynch him
-pisskop - Unclear, but wasn't friendly towards him so meh
-RIP (ABR) - policy lynch? That's the best I can find. Man, ika sucks at conveying reads.
-tex - "could be scum"
^Tex and dragon I guess.

Royal:
-Anen - Mafia
-AP - "potential SK"
-dragonspawn - "top suspect" after Delta
-pisskop - Nothing recent, but scum early and called out what she thought was a hammer on dragonspawn.
-RIP - "Noteworthy" on suspect list. Placed after Delta and Dragonspawn
-tex - included in town block
^So only Tex and Anen make absolutely no sense. I admit pisskop is a bit of a stretch.

So. Here's who everyone had motive to kill:
Anen- Gamr (weak), Titus
AP-Gamr, Titus, Royal (Note Drixx had a strong town read on House)
Dragonspawn- Drixx, Titus, ika, Royal
pisskop- Drixx, Gamr, Titus, maybe Royal (Gamr and Titus both had him as SK)
RIP- Titus, ika, Royal (All pretty weak)
Tex-Drixx, Gamr, ika (All pretty weak, Royal kill makes no sense)

Note: Found this quoted in Gamr's ISO and it might be a SK tell:

Not a question I was expecting to see you ask.

What does everyone think of ika's question about the sk?

So I'm still confident it's dragonspawn. I reeeeeallllyyyy doubt it's Anen. I don't think it's AP. Pisskop comes out of this post looking worse than initially and Tex better than initially but I'd still put them towards the middle of my reads list and if it came down to them, I'd have a lot to look at. RIP is probably my #2 choice.

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@Egg: I'm not surprised that you did - I prefer to get cold reads off of personality and gauging whether a person believes what they are saying at any point. I'd have to imagine Texcat thinks her play is good if she shot Drixx on Night 1. (Same would go for anyone using that logic really). You are probably right in saying that an SK who thinks they are playing poorly wouldn't make a post like that.

If texcat is town, then that is a weird assumption. I originally disliked her making that argument because it ~felt~ wrong. I.E., Why would hunting for an SK hurt town and why can't hunting for it be done in parallel with mafia hunting? Granted, things like VCA and interaction tells only work on mafia so if that is what she is using for scumhunting then trying to stick to mafia hunting makes sense. Assuming the SK is necessarily a strong town player IS kind of weird though. I need to reread from around that time.

Teexcat could be the droids we're looking for.

Hmm. Good point about the Drixx kill. Nailing scum at night feels good and boosts confidence assuming that's what the SK was trying to do. Still though, I'm not so sure it aligns with that comment. I need to think and the library computer kicks me off in like 3 minutes.....................

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Tex, why did you think we'd lose good players by SK hunting? Why did you want to hunt mafia over SK when we had one mafia remaining?

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Here:

Egg, I take it that you agree with going after the SK first? I still think that the remaining scum is easier and we won't

end up losing valuable players in the hunt.

I understand that it makes our cop worthless, but I haven't seen that much value in the cop so far anyway. Although I haven't been able to understand any of the coded messages going back and forth between Ika and Titus.

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Yeah, could be. Like I said, I realize that post made more assumptions than I typically care to make but it seemed like it was worth looking into.

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Not necessarily. Did you read the most recent posts by AP and myself?

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Because Delta, Pisskop, and ABR have been so helpful this game....

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You don't know that.

Lol

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RIP, if you want to know why I'm pretty sure Anen and AP are town, check my ISO. There's some stuff in there about pisskop being likely town too. After dragonspawn, who I'm voting, that only leaves you and tex. You replaced ABR who I've been at least slightly scumreading since about Day 1. Tex was actually a town read for me early in the game. But my reasoning is all in my ISO and shouldn't be hard to find considering how many times I repeated most of it.

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Anen, ABR always lurks. I'd be shocked if he changed it up as SK. And yeah, I said in that post I was putting very little stock in the ika part. Titus is kind of irrelevant too because she threw at least a little suspicion towards pretty much everyone who is still alive. And I didn't analyze myself because there is no point. I did that to determine who the SK might be and I know it's not me and was working with a time limit that I just barely stayed inside. The info is in the thread if anyone wants to do me.

(5) the SK rolled a die

Lol imagine if they did. I'd be pissed at myself for reading into the kills.

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Tex you have to realize your AP vote looked horrible

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It also put him at L-1 on Day 6 and you haven't talked about him in forever.

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Tex, I overreacted and acknowledged that.

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Tex, the ika kill was after the flubber lynch, so that couldn't have had anything to do with a crosskill. But why so sure mafia wouldn't have killed Titus?

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So anyone BUT Shiro isn't a crosskill. So you still have to ask why Titus over anyone else?

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He's probably my strongest town read

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Anen, why would King tell us exactly how she plays SK as SK?

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I mean I've asked that multiple times and all I've gotten is either ignored or "lol SK slip so obvious".

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Unvote, Vote Tex

I can see this is piss vs tex at this point and I just can't come up with a good answer to the question I just asked that results in pisskop being SK. It just doesn't make sense to me. Tex is more likely to be SK than pisskop in my opinion. I still think it's dragonspawn but no one seems interested in that. So I guess it's up to AP. Pisskop or tex?

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AP. Before you vote, read this. This is pisskop's slot. Tell me why King would say this as SK.

King - Hasn't done anything except jump on TSO. Answering he likes SK stands out, but I don't know what to make of it. Need to see more before I commit to a read here. Call him slightly scummier than my null pile I guess.

Kling is a

her

, please.

Anyway, I like being the SK because it's much easier to play as a Townie - I'm trying to kill off the Mafia too, you see. I don't have to deal with busing (I won't hesitate to bus as needed, I expect the same from my partners.) I don't have to protect any partners. When I'm Town I'm either a useless/weak Vanilla, or I'm a PR that's totally paranoid about getting NK'd. So, as an SK I get to play as Town and kill the hell out of everyone at Night. Good times!

I am Town this game, btw.

King also forgot this was an open setup and didn't include SK in all of these potential setups:

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I got one, whos do you suspect is sk? (yes there is a motive for my sk hunt)

Not a question I was expecting to see you ask.

What does everyone think of ika's question about the sk?

Ika knows lots about setups & mechanics, if he thinks there's an SK, there probably is.

20 players; T:S ratio is usually 3:1, that's 15 Town and 5 Scum.

So:
1 scumteam with 5 members or
1 scumteam with 3 members, 1 scumteam with 2 or
1 scumteam with 4 members, 1 SK or
2 scumteams with 2 members each, 1 SK

And then straight up told us how she'd play as SK:

pedit: thats exactly why iw as askign who does everoyn think is sk. look how many commented on it. wanna bet that one of the people who said something are sk?

tbh im waiting for day 2 where i can really amp up the wifom quesitons

To me, scum is scum. I don't care if it's SK or Mafia. They all have to die and in what order doesn't really matter. So I have no need to SK hunt at this time. I get why you asked though now that you stated why. I would prefer no outing of PR's with this same tactic however.

I learned a lot playing an SK. Like I said, it's much easier to blend in with Town. It's also more relaxed because near the end the SK can try to get leashed in order to make it to endgame. The SK will start out killing as many Town PRs as possible, trying to even up the numbers between Mafia and Town. It never hurts to get rid of the SK.

I just don't see this being a SK slot no matter how all over the place pisskop has been

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Huh. I agree RIP's tex vote was weird as fuck. But. His reaction to the cop flip, if genuine, would mean he didn't realize cop results are useless right now. But he also said something about knowing we were looking for SK when he replaced in. If that reaction was fake, it is incriminating as fuck. I feel like it pretty much has to be him or dragonspawn. I'm gonna be at a conert all day though so I'll sort this tonight or tomorrow.

Oh and the Anen kill doesn't surprise me for reasons pisskop pointed out. He was probably never getting lynched. If anything, I was more surprised he was still alive so meh.

Preview edit: dragonspawn you aren't that dense to not realize how strongly Anen was being town read compared to everyone else. I think you might be faking that.

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*shrug*

Even you guys weren't gonna lynch him over everyone else. Pisskop and I were never gonna vote him and everyone else had much stronger scum reads. It makes perfect sense to me and he was the obv kill and I'd probably pretend not to understand that if I was scum so your reaction feels bad to me. I'm just trying to decide if that's confirmation bias speaking and I need to consider RIP.

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Also don't be idiots with votes. We only have two lynches left and there is no excuse for letting the SK win this as quick as mafia was gone.

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Tuesday morning while my fiance is working, I'm going back over everything I can possibly think about regarding dragonspawn and ABR/RIP because I feel likeit probably has to be one of them. If I have time, I'll look at everyone but I only get an hour and a half at the library so meh.

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^make that wednesday morning. Gonna have my son with me Tuesday

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No one has said a thing. Joy

I still plan on doing my thing Wednesday. There's no reason to have someone at L-1 before I get a chance to do that.

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Dragonspawn, I could understand that logic if this was LYLO but it's not so you'd think a hammer would draw attention if RIP were scum and not hammering would actually be the right move if I were SK but I'm drunk so what do I know lmao. I probably wouldn't make a point that L-1 is shitty though if I were SK so maybe that's what you were seeing so if someone was dumb enough to hammer the blame would be on them. But I'll probably read this in the morning and go lol that's dumb so whatever. All I know right now is that apple carmel vodka mixes well with arnold palmer iced tea, rand paul is the biggest advocate of getting rid of the patriot act, and when I get to Vegas I'm more likely to go all in on the first hand with trip jacks than with pocket aces pre flop. Lol it's been an interesting night. But I'll see you guys when I'm coherent so peace for now

Preview edit: wtf why is there a preview edit at 2:30am? Wtf time zone are you in? If that's true that you didn't know that about SK and cops that might be a town tell because it would be in your Role PM I think but you might have missed that like you apparently missed it in the setup or could be faking it so I guess it's null I think? I dunno. I'll figure it out when the vodka is out of my system lol. Am I too rambly when I'm drunk? Lol

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Ok.

Dragonspawn:
-Post 58- Doesn't answer ika directly. Appears to crumb cop. But a SK shouldn't fakeclaim cop which I guess is probably why he never did if he's SK. Maybe he was just going for the subtle "lynching me is a bad idea" vibe. Still, the attention at night from any scum that picked it up would be too much. The only thing I can come up with is he realized later this was bad or it wasn't actually a fake crumb but then why say it?
-Post 111- Another potential cop crumb. And nothing but fluff up to this point. Dragonspawn, at this point the "donut" and "investigating" comments absolutely have to be fake cop crumbs. If you are town, tell me why you did that.
-Post 112 - A BS vote on Tex.
-Post 146- A genuine reply to House. Although he could be scum who legitimately wasn't manipulating anything.
-Post 163 - Silverwolf says he is playing different, specifically more defensive. Dragonspawn responds with "you say that every game". Dragonspawn, do you have specific examples of this? She seems to have missed your comment.
-Post 444 - I know Wake was scum, but he makes a good point. The Tex vote is still sitting there for BS. I'm getting a laying low vibe.
-Post 446 - Anen votes Dragonspawn for doing nothing. Dragonspawn replies by saying he got conversation started. I disagree.
-Post 460 - I know Delta was either joking or trolling, but when he calls Dragonspawn scum, Dragonspawn replies with a request for reasons that Silverwolf is scum. lol
-Post 463 - I actually like the reply to House asking where his Dragonspawn suspicion went. Not sure why scum would ask that rather than let him forget.
-Post 498 - I don't find this Delta vote surprising. The progression is there. Could legitimately believe Delta is scum at that point whether town or SK
-Post 499- Eh, the way he uses "investigation" here makes me a little less sure he was crumbing cop the first time.
-Next collection of posts- Ok, hard to read any of this one way or the other because he's clearly looking for scum which town or SK can do.
-Post 765 - This part, "Dave is singing me be cause he is under the radar and mentioned trying to figure out who the sk is. Usually it's scum who are trying to do that to help themselves look town. Town doesn't bother to differentiate between scum and sk." threw me off a little. Not liking someone for trying to find SK is definitely something SK could do. It's also a legitimate scum tell. Dave died N1, but he was mafia's kill. No idea what to think, but it stood out.
-Post 1079 - Interesting. King says "I'm not the SK. Check me" Dragonspawn asks how anyone would do that. King probably legitimately forgot that the SK is investigation immune. Town points for pisskop.
- I'm noticing in general dragonspawn doesn't move his vote much. Might be a style thing though.
-Post 2004- Day 1 is over and I don't think Dragonspawn mentioned Drixx. Might mean he had no reason to kill him.
-Post 2006 - Looking for Drixx's buddies makes sense regardless of Dragonspawn's alignment. But is this a subtle brag for killing scum?
-Post 2043- A vote for Freeko based on Drixx's flip. *shrug*
-Posts 2665, 2675, 2698, 2709, 2711, 2738, 2741 - Shows legitimate belief that ika is cop. Hmm. I was wondering if anyone did and that would explain the ika kill.
-Post 2686 - So the donut thing was rolefishing, not crumbing?
-Post 3258 - Another comment on SK's kill right at day start. Gamr, yet again, is barely found in Dragonspawn's ISO. Patterns are bad, even if they show a different mindset than one I'd have personally. Maybe dragonspawn thought that killing people who don't stand out was the way to go and Drixx and Gamr both didn't stand out to him. ika would have been obv kill if he believed him to be cop. It's the Titus kill I wonder about because that doesn't fit.
-Post 3290 - Wake thought that dragonspawn was more active on the other site than here. I'm not sure if dragonspawn is the type to lurk more as SK or not. I wish someone with more meta on him was still alive...
-Post 3299 - This was the post where he claimed to be using process of elimination with a shit ton of people still alive. He later said he wasn't townreading everyone else so wtf. I've been over this point though so I'm not gonna go deeper again.
-Post 3309 - Feels like awkward questioning when AP says optimal play is lynching SK. 3312 feels like a follow up where he just doesn't want to draw attention to that.
-Post 3337 - Asking why he'd leave the cop alive as scum seems like an "I can't be mafia so I must be town" comment that intentionally excludes SK. Seems weird immediately after discussing the SK with AP.
-Post 3356 - This post is a vote count. Titus is the first one voting dragonspawn. She died the next night.
-Post 3361 - Actually, if this was a post game answer to the question "Why kill Titus over the rest of the wagon?", it would make perfect sense. Anen kill would have pointed right to him because he'd been on him since Day 1 and AP, according to dragonspawn, was just sheeping BS from Titus. Eliminate the BS and the sheep go elsewhere. I don't remember 100%, but I don't think AP was sheeping. Still, if dragonspawn saw it that way, it makes sense.
-Post 3423 - "Little reasoning? I explained my reasoning earlier. Process of elimination." , with 14 alive and less than 12 town reads...
-Post 3526 - This feels awkward the way he goes about asking if Shiro should claim.
-Post 3594 - Weird how he acknowledges the doc claim, but leaves his vote. He's all buddy buddy with ika who he thinks is cop, but is trying to lynch the doc. Makes sense for a SK who only has the doc to worry about. I notice AP and ABR also on that wagon so *shrug*. We don't have three SKs.
-Post 3629, 3632, 3636, 3644 - Saying he doesn't mind if he gets lynched because there are other games to focus on would be town if it didn't feel so overdone. Like he's trying too hard to seem like he doesn't care. Like, why do you get more active when you stop caring? It doesn't make sense. And why repeat it so many times? If you were genuinely all whatever about it, you wouldn't shove that idea down our throats. 3645 and 3659 contradict that mentality too. He's defensive about a point being made against him and interested in what the votes are at. Doesn't read like someone who doesn't care about the game anymore.
-Post 3754 - After being at L-2, his wagon loses a few votes and one pops up on ABR who he hasn't said much about. Of course he hops on. What is funny is how survivalistic that is regardless of his alignment, yet in the post where he votes ABR, he repeats that he's ok with being lynched.
-Post 3758 - I try not to tie in RL because it happens to all of us. But something came up and he wasn't sure he could continue. Yet no mention of being ok with a lynch on him now. Is that a VT who would love to be rid of any obligation to this game or a SK who will lose the game if he's lynched? Ask yourself that. Really.
-Post 3819 - ABR wagon dies. Dramonic wagon appears. Dragonspawn votes Dramonic. He's doing anything he can to stay alive.
-Post 3835 - Practically begs Titus, who is voting him, to hammer Dramonic. Titus complies and gets killed by the SK. Hmm.
-Post 3849 - Another comment on the kills
-Post 3850, 3853, 3858 - Obviously still believes ika to be cop. Very interested in the results. I kind of wonder if he was hoping to have been investigated to relieve some pressure after getting to L-2.
-Post 3868 - Quick to assume he was investigated. Ika claims otherwise.
-Post 3869 - Justifies why he wanted to wait for ika. No one asked.
-Post 3875 - Again, wanted the cop clear pretty badly.
-Post 3881 - Looks like ika was already going down the same road I am with this. And dragonspawn's response? Go to his ISO and read this post. Go ahead. Do it. I'll wait. Back so soon? Ok, now go do it again without reading it in an angry voice. Doesn't sound right, does it? Why would he get upset over this if he was a VT who, as he repeats again in this post, doesn't care if he's lynched? I can't think of a reason. Also note that ika, who dragonspawn believed to be cop and is now angry at, died the next night.
-Post 3930 - Now ika is a dick, apparently. Note that while this emotion is coming out, dragonspawn has the most votes again. Yes, it's only two and he's only at L-4. But it's still frustrating when the fate of your game rides on not dying.
-Post 4001 - Third vote on Flubber. Dragonspawn has become opportunistic as fuck ever since he was at L-2. How have we not lynched him yet? I wish I did this ISO sooner because it's getting obvious to me that Dragonspawn pretty much has to be the SK.
-Post 4075 - Now his PoE leads him to two completely different names. lol. Seems like he just says PoE when he doesn't have a reason. Future reference, "gut" works better there. The "butt pixie" reason was funny though. Did you ever get your treasure?
-Post 4187 - That ika kill. It makes sooooooo much sense coming from dragonspawn. Read that Day 4 and tell me Dragonspawn wouldn't kill ika. I can't find any reason he'd kill anyone else over ika. It's so perfect.
-Post 4188 - Comments on the kill again. "So ika lied about being cop". And we're back to Delta being scum. Ok.

So. I'm out of time at the library. Can't believe it's been 90 minutes. Yes, I'm that slow of a reader lol. Umm. I'll try to finish at home I guess and I'll do RIP probably tonight after my fiancé goes back to work. But at this point, I can't see myself not voting dragonspawn.

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Ok, continuing:
-Post 4203 - Misrepping the PoE case. He acts like it was the method being attacked when it was really the application of it.
-Posts 4225, 4239 - Seems to be attacking pisskop's playstyle and calling it scum.
-Post 4266 - When asked for reasoning on his vote, he asks for reasoning why he is SK. That would have been fine if he also provided reasoning
- Post 4267 - Hmm. Tells us why Delta had motivation to kill Drixx. But then asks who else had motivation without checking. Shows he doesn't truly believe Delta is the SK in my opinion, but also leaves it open for other people to look elsewhere without doing so himself.
-Post 4272 - Bad explanation for the random capital W. Has been discussed enough.
-Post 4280 - Back to "ok, lynch me" lol. Claims to want time for a reads list.
-Post 4288- Now death is his top choice. Two issues. One, why? Two, he isn't acting like it.
-Post 4301 - I think he's subtly campaigning for AP to vote Delta based on the vote count (3-3-2 for Dragon, Delta, Tex repectively)
-Post 4375 - "if you were town you'd want us to lynch the SK." says the guy who wants to be lynched? But now he's going hard after Delta.
-Post 4383 - Royal called Dragonspawn scum for the first time. Royal died the next night.
-Post 4452 - The LYLO point against pisskop is a huge stretch.
-Post 4510 - Pushing pisskop. Not surprised. He set that up for after Delta's town flip.
-Post 4537 - I'm wondering why the pisskop vote hasn't happened yet.
-Post 4560 - Now scum is Anen or me. When did pisskop become town?
-Post 4570, 4576 - I thought this was awkward. Says I'm pushing him as an easy lynch. I come back with "if it was so easy, why hasn't it happened yet" (paraphrased). He concedes, but leaves his vote. It's weird.
-Post 4651 - Doesn't care if he's lynched. I still don't buy that.
-Post 4694 - Dragonspawn, did you start townreading pisskop somewhere?
-Post 4741 - After saying twice that it's either me or Anen, he votes pisskop.
-Post 4752 - If you haven't been scumreading tex, why "like the pressure" this late in the game?
-Post 4852 - I originally wondered if this was town who wasn't online between the lynch and day start. But with a 10 minute gap between the Mod's post and his, it's entirely possible he was online, PM'd the Mod who was also online, and the Mod started the day. This was his first post of the RL day so it's hard to tell. The post feels like an overreaction though considering that at the time of his last post, we had a player at L-1 and another at L-2 and 4n told us after the Flubber lynch that nights would end early if the SK's kill was submitted.
-Post 4855 - Claims not to understand the Anen kill. Anen was probably the most widely townread player in the game and had been pushing Dragonspawn since Day 1. A widely townread threat to his game seems like a good kill. Hell, even if he's town he should think he's being set up with that kill. The reaction is far from natural.
-Post 4858 - I don't like him pinning the Anen kill on pisskop
-Post 4881 - Has a vote on him with only five players alive. Puts the only other player with a vote on him at L-1. When did you even start scumreading RIP?

Guys, I strongly encourage anyone who is town to read this (and the other post where I started it obviously) with dragonspawn's ISO side by side. I'm more convinced than I was that he's the SK.

preview edit: RIP, why AP?

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ABR/RIP:
-Post 166 - He appears to have been in RVS up to this point and wants an analysis from Tex. Kind of hypocritical.
-Post 600 - I know Wake isn't a wordy guy, but this is his first scumread and while Wake WAS scum, I can't tell why he made it.
-Post 608 - Ok. Reasoning feels weird but it's early game and turned out to be scum so whatever.
-Post 832/835 - Fair points. Shows an attitude of wanting to lynch scum. Doesn't tell us anything, unfortunately. SK can want scum dead too.
-Post 844 - Adding fuel to the fire on a situation we won't discuss. I remember Anen not liking this. Seems like he wants the attention anywhere but on him.
-Posts 854,857 - This backs the above. Testing waters for a King wagon. Why is he trying to sheep someone who he is voting?
-Post 975 - For some reason, I thought I remembered ABR voting King and then backing off and that made me think he might be town. Looks like I misremembered and he called King town all along. White knighting?
-Post 1231, 1233 - Tells SK to kill freeko. Not sure what to think. Freeko was never killed by SK. If ABR said this as SK, he probably wouldn't kill freeko. But why would anyone else? Null unless you think he wanted the WIFOM.
-Post 1646 - Says he goes where the momentum shifts. Yet he was the only one voting freeko and then House and ika. I don't get it.
-Post 2000- Day 1 is over and ABR looks like ABR. Other than the issues I pointed out above, he generally feels like he usually does as town. He probably is legitimately looking for mafia even if he's SK. Not really sure what to think. Also, like dragonspawn, he doesn't seem to have mentioned Drixx anywhere.
-Post 2015- ABR is pushing Delta. Consistent with the end of Day 1.
-Post 2054, 2058- Unlike dragonspawn, he doesn't believe ika's claim. If he killed ika, it was because of everyone else's town read probably. Although it seems like he'd wait for a counterclaim late in the game. *shrug*
-Post 2132- Hardpushing ika. Attitude hasn't changed since becoming the lead wagon. Town points.
-Post 2402, 2406 - Knows there is no guilty on him. Still would as SK. This would be valuable info if there was still mafia alive, but at this point it's useless.
-A ton of posts - Now he's tunneling Titus for misreading Freeko.
-Post 2776 - I dunno. It feels OMGUSy that he switches to tex here, but he was voting Titus with the vote count at 5-5 between him and Titus. There's just no survivalistic mentality here.
-Post 3172- Says he's lost some interest in the game. I can kind of tell. Is this town who just doesn't care or SK who doesn't know what to do? I lean town actually.
-Post 3591 - Voting Shiro after the doc claim still rubs me the wrong way. As I said with dragonspawn though, he wasn't the only one...
-Post 3794- Interesing how he says he'd be more likely to replace out as scum than as town.
-Post 3845 - What do the Gamr and Titus kills have in common? ABR was scumreading them. If he was shooting for scum, this makes sense.
-Post 3926 - Still obviously doesn't think ika is cop. So why kill him if he's SK?
-Post 4156 - Says tex is SK. He was saying Delta earlier. What changed?
-Post 4187 - ika is dead. ABR had been p
pushing that lynch. But the mafia is gone at this point so maybe the Gamr and Titus kills being ABR's suspects is a coincidence? I dunno.
-Post 4198 - Votes Tex as he set up the day before.
-Post 4259- Acknowledges the Delta wagon. Asks for Tex lynch. I still want to know where the Delta read went.
-Post 4358- Not sure what to make of the replace out. Feels like SK wouldn't do it, but he said he's more likely to stay as town. Maybe he felt he couldn't win? Maybe something came up and he didn't have time for the game regardless of alignment? I'm not sure.
-Post 4349- This is RIP now. Looking for SK is apparently an "easy win". Why?
-Post 4351- Says he doesn't know how much effort he wants to put in. Why replace in then?
-Post 4359- Why do you think it's clear you aren't SK?

Forget it I'm gonna do this later tonight. RL stuff

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Dragonspawn, you'll see that I came to the conclusion that your donut and investigation comments were just figuring if ika was cop. If you read the whole post, you'd know that. So you're calling it BS based on something I'm not saying.

Pisskop and AP, can you tell me why you disagree with my points?

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K. When is your V/LA over again?

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Also, have you read my post yet?

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^this is why the L-1 really bothers me. There's still stuff to do

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Finishing my RIP ISO:
-Post 4361- Why are you sheeping your slot there?
-Post 4398- Not sure why he'd actually fakeclaim cop if he was SK. He'd get lynched for it. Saying he'd do it if he were SK might be fake.
-Post 4412- You said you checked who the dead pushed when they died. What did you find? Who other than Tex looked bad?
-Post 4460 - The pisskop slip is BS. Not so sure I buy that you believe it.
-Post 4467- Acting like SK would definitely hammer Delta. Vote count shows that dragonspawn is the only living player who was already voting Delta. That means everyone else had the opportunity to do it. So AP and pisskop must be town in your eyes. But you're voting pisskop. Wtf?
-Post 4504- Being right about Delta being town doesn't make you town. SK knows who is town.
-Post 4506- Now the SK was off the wagon? I don't get why this is such a guarantee.
-Post 4513- Keeps insisting he is confirmed town. I don't get that.
-Post 4546- "SK is owning you fools" could be bragging SK
-Post 4565 - Is this a genuine attempt to take a step back and find the SK?
-Post 4380 - Calls Tex town
-Post 4833- Hammers Tex. So he hammered a town read. Hmm.
-Post 4843- This feels fake. Acts like it's such a shock we had a cop. Let's see. Open setup. Said he'd claim cop if he was SK. Fake crumbed cop. And now the cop flip is a shock? No.
-Post 4844- Acting like he didn't know SK is investigation immune.
-Post 4899- Votes Dragonspawn who I think might be the only living player he hadn't called scum.

Ok, so this is harder than I thought. RIP looks really scummy too. I need to review both of my own ISOs and decide which of dragonspawn and RIP looks worse.

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The thing I'm noticing is the kills make more sense from dragonspawn than ABR/RIP. Also, the ABR slot didn't look as bad before RIP replaced in. I'm really leaning dragonspawn right now.

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This game gets more ridiculous every day.........

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So much for waiting for AP...

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Hopefully that's game over.

*sigh*

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Dragonspawn, not that I'm trying to dispute a point in my favor or anything but I've been off and on my phone all night.

But anyway

I'd like a reply to my ISO post from dragonspawn.

This isn't a lock for me. As much as I think King's SK talk was non-SK, someone (was it you dragonspawn?) said it's something she'd do and it would make sense for pisskop who I've been solidly town reading to leave me alive especially with dragonspawn who has been my top scum read since like Day 4 or 5. I kind of question why dragonspawn would leave me alive this long, but for someone under pressure, killing the guy who thinks you are obvscum kind of makes you look bad.

I want to do a post on King/pisskop kind of like the ones I did Day 7, but I'm going to Vegas tomorrow so timing is terrible.

Dragonspawn, I'd kind of like that hammer explained to. I wanted AP's input and made that extremely clear. If boredom was actually the reason, that's pretty lame after we've put 3 and a half months into this game and somehow here we are in 3p LYLO. It kind of felt survivalistic to me because if AP had come in and gone "yeah dragonspawn is scum" and you were already my top scum read, you know pisskop or RIP would have been willing to hammer that.

Uhh. Yeah. So that's pretty much where my head is at right now. I'm still leaning dragonspawn I think but I'm open to arguements and I'm not going to just give the game to pisskop if he's the SK.

Pisskop, any thoughts? I'd hate to see dragon and I go back and forth and you just ride momentum and follow a vote from one of us and go "lol gg".

Dragonspawn, if you're town, I hope you realize you're gonna have to sell me on pisskop here. If I'm wrong, it's gonna be hard to admit it before seeing it from the Mod.

I'll stop rambling lol

Preview edit: what's that have to do with the NK? I was waiting for him to come back from V/LA for his input before I decided between you and RIP. Your hammer robbed me of that even if the NK had been myself or even you or pisskop. This is no time to just throw a hammer like that. Basically I was frustrated that the decision was made before he could weigh in.

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Dragonspawn, like I said, I kind of thought I'd be dead if you were SK. Am I right on that thought?

Pisskop, what do you think of AP dying?

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Sorry one more question

Pisskop, what do you think of my post where I ISO'd dragonspawn?

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*sigh*

I was hoping for more input than that but I guess I shouldn't expect it...

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You're manipulating my question and that's not good for you. If you are town, you need to start being straight forward. If you were SK, would I still be alive?

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I was looking for how you'd answer and that doesn't feel like you've thought about it which is actually town points.

Pisskop, why did you think the answer was obvious?

You guys are actually suggesting as a serial killer I would hammer the previous day and not kill the biggest threat to me?

Maybe. If you felt it was you or RIP and AP might come in and like my post and were worried my death would increase the pressure on you then yeah you speed up the process, hammer RIP, and kill AP before he has a chance to agree with me. I admit, fully admit really, that Occam's razor says pisskop is the SK and left me alive because I've been hardtown reading him all game is a much simpler answer than that. It's actually the number one reason I'm hesitating because the other 6 days and nights of info brought me to you as scum.

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I could be wrong but I don't think AP was still scumreading me.

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Honestly, if I was SK, AP would have died like N4 because he was the only one pushing me and no one would have thought anything of it that early. Under the same logic though, I shouldn't be alive if it's dragonspawn.

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When I made this post, I started to put pisskop in the back of my mind:

Gonna try something. Note that I'm making an assumption that may or may not be true that SK would want to kill people who suspect them. Let's see if this gives anyone a motive for most of the SK kills.

SK's kills' last stated read on each of you guys:
Drixx:
-Anen - Implied town?
-AP (House) - Very town
-Dragonspawn - Implied scum
-pisskop (King)- Scum
-RIP (ABR) - Less scummy than before
-Tex - "Willing to vote"
^AP and Anen don't seem like they'd have any motive. Everyone else could.

Gamr:
-Anen - Implied very weak scum
-AP - mild scum
-Dragonspawn - Null town
-pisskop - "pisskop is the SK"
-RIP - ABR - town for meta
-Tex - Very weak maybe implied scum but mostly null
^Pisskop has clear motive here. Dragonspawn and ABR are really the only ones who definitely don't, but Texcat even doesn't really. So pisskop, AP, and Anen come out on top interestingly enough.

Titus:
-Anen - Scum
-AP - "questioning" her read. Scroll up a little and she calls him SK "gun to her head"
-Dragonspawn - Scum, judging by the vote.
-pisskop - "not mafia, maybe SK"
-RIP (ABR) - "would hammer" not her "favorite lynch"
-Tex - Moderate town
^So everyone has motive here except Tex

ika (I'm putting almost no stock in this one because everyone seemed to have him as pretty obvtown and some people may have even believed his cop claim):
-Anen - Can't really find any better than doesn't understand a null town read. *Shrug*
-AP - Annoying town
-dragonspawn - lynch him
-pisskop - Unclear, but wasn't friendly towards him so meh
-RIP (ABR) - policy lynch? That's the best I can find. Man, ika sucks at conveying reads.
-tex - "could be scum"
^Tex and dragon I guess.

Royal:
-Anen - Mafia
-AP - "potential SK"
-dragonspawn - "top suspect" after Delta
-pisskop - Nothing recent, but scum early and called out what she thought was a hammer on dragonspawn.
-RIP - "Noteworthy" on suspect list. Placed after Delta and Dragonspawn
-tex - included in town block
^So only Tex and Anen make absolutely no sense. I admit pisskop is a bit of a stretch.

So. Here's who everyone had motive to kill:
Anen- Gamr (weak), Titus
AP-Gamr, Titus, Royal (Note Drixx had a strong town read on House)
Dragonspawn- Drixx, Titus, ika, Royal
pisskop- Drixx, Gamr, Titus, maybe Royal (Gamr and Titus both had him as SK)
RIP- Titus, ika, Royal (All pretty weak)
Tex-Drixx, Gamr, ika (All pretty weak, Royal kill makes no sense)

Note: Found this quoted in Gamr's ISO and it might be a SK tell:

Not a question I was expecting to see you ask.

What does everyone think of ika's question about the sk?

So I'm still confident it's dragonspawn. I reeeeeallllyyyy doubt it's Anen. I don't think it's AP. Pisskop comes out of this post looking worse than initially and Tex better than initially but I'd still put them towards the middle of my reads list and if it came down to them, I'd have a lot to look at. RIP is probably my #2 choice.

I mean none of those kills exactly look like he wouldn't make them. And why would dragonspawn kill Gamr N2?

[Egg]

For lulzies, lets do me now.'

SKop would probs have killed Dragon and let Egg and AP go side to side. Also wouldn't have wanted the RIP lynch because I would have wanted to kill him at night and say the SK is an asshole framer.

This is too WIFOMy even for me...

I'm just gonna ignore it.

[Egg]

Is it too much to ask to wait until I get back from vegas and do a full ISO of King and pisskop? I don't want to make a bad choice thats costs us the game after more than 3 months just because I'm in Vegas and can't review everything in 3p LYLO.

[Egg]

The first quote and second quote are referencing different parts of the game. However, the last quote shows that I was in fact wrong in the first quote.

[Egg]

For lulzies, lets do me now.'

SKop would probs have killed Dragon and let Egg and AP go side to side. Also wouldn't have wanted the RIP lynch because I would have wanted to kill him at night and say the SK is an asshole framer.

Maybe this is too much tinfoil but I can see someone who thinks like this not only keeping the guy who thinks he's town (me) alive, but also killing the guy who suspects that guy (AP) as a frame job.

Fuck. I don't even know because I might be starting to lean pisskop and that goes against everything I've believed since Day 1. Last RL night, I was talking out loud just to try and solve this and didn't come up with anything more than confusing myself. This is why I need to ISO King/pisskop. And probably stop posting because I just realized I'm spamming the shit out of this thread.

[Egg]

I've got no problem waiting egg.

I wouldn't mind doing little investigating myself

Ok, I'm gonna try not to think about this too much while I'm gone then.

Pisskop, it's not sudden. I've been on the fence since daystart. Read my first post of the day again.

[Egg]

Welp. If it's dragonspawn, that vote wins for him anyway so

Vote pisskop

*fingers crossed*

[Egg]

Well. Dragonspawn didn't hammer so I guess it's pisskop. Is it weird that I actually feel relieved that I don't have to figure it out? Lol.

Dragonspawn, consider how quickly and confidently pisskop decided and how relaxed he felt when (and right before) he placed his vote. Also consider how much sense it makes that I'm still alive when he's been such a town read for me. Would you like me to still do that ISO when I get back or is it pointless now that I know it's him? Also sorry I suck at reading you apparently lol

[Egg]

Unfortunately, I don't have any SK games on this site and the two I do have weren't true SK (one I started out as mafia and turned SK when I submitted a kill which changed nothing because my scumbuddies were dead anyway. The other I was on a 2 man "SK team" which is effectively team scum).

Here are my 3 most recent scum games though:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=60469 - most recent I believe. This game sucked. I was obv lynch day 3. Got fucked by a bad scumbuddy
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=59638 - this one was pretty good. We won despite some dumb choices. N4 was our first successful kill lol
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=59777 - Cheet was the best scumbuddy ever.

Anything before that is old and pretty embarrassing tbh.

Preview edit: pisskop I don't know why you think I was so sure. I was stressing at daystart because I knew you were more likely to keep me alive. Also the more you bring up the AP kill, the more it makes sense that it was a frame job. Hell I didn't even remember he still suspected me and you knew what quote to pull.

[Egg]

For lulzies, lets do me now.'

SKop would probs have killed Dragon and let Egg and AP go side to side. Also wouldn't have wanted the RIP lynch because I would have wanted to kill him at night and say the SK is an asshole framer.

^framer. Lol

[Egg]

That's misleading if you're using it to paint me as a lazy wagoner or something. I was scumreading Wake for a long ass time and can't be accused of wagoning because I was early as fuck on him. Dramonic was my wagon. I'm first on it. Flubber, I think I voted early and unvoted for some reason and put my vote back later. Delta was a deadline hammer. I was pretty proactive this game.

Preview edit: because if you were scum, you'd hammer me anyway. It's standard procedure when you get voted in 3p LYLO.

[Egg]

I show you wagon analysis, I show you NK analysis, I take the initiative

I'd argue I've been more proactive than you this game.

act within my meta

And this is null because you're aware of it.

Egg is using his pretty words, backtracking on reads, and trying to get us to forget about past events in the game

I'm not backtracking on anything. In 3p LYLO, you analyze anything and why would dragonspawn not kill me if it was him? It made sense that I've been wrong and vguess what? That turned out to be accurate. You and I both know it's you now. Dragonspawn is the only one who doesn't know yet. And how am I trying to get anyone to forget anything? That's a blatant lie. I've brought up past stuff maybe more than anyone. The NKs all make so much sense from you. Everyone who died early thought you were scum. At least one even specifically said SK with mafia still alive. Unless you are arguing that I'm SK who intentionally kept you alive the entire game JUST to bring that up now, it's a pretty crazy coincidence that they all had you as scum of some sort except ika who was ika. I know I did that analysis before the Anen and AP kills, but I'd bet at least Anen probably follows that pattern. Even if not, we both said he was obvtown so it would be null.

Dragonspawn, pisskop claims that the AP kill is so damning. Think about this. Why would I wait until the last night to do it? He keeps bringing it up as such a big point which should set off all kinds of red flags that he made the kill as his selling point in case I didn't tunnel on you like he had hoped.

[Egg]

He suspected me so early there's no way he'd have been alive yesterday.

[Egg]

Any NK discussion is WIFOM and we're both doing it so what's your point?

[Egg]

My point that saying you would have killed somebody who had you as their top suspect is weaks appleauce.

Killing the person who would have voted you right out oif the gate isn't

I disagree. That pressure would have been too dangerous to carry to 5p.

You're being too defensive to be town.

The game is on the line. I really don't want us to lose to you because I got lynched in LYLO. I'm also noticing you're the most active you've been all game so it's obvious we are both feeling the pressure of dragonspawn having the game deciding decision.

[Egg]

Eh. Pressure gets to me. I've self voted over it before. True regardless of alignment.

Preview edit: I see your name on that list too. And that post is 4700something so that doesn't explain why AP wasn't kill

Ok I'm mid post and they fuck up by flight and us airways can fuck themselves and I'll see what I missed when I get to Vegas. Sorry

[Egg]

Ok looks like I didn't miss much. I'm here if anyone's got questions or anything

[Egg]

Duuuuuuuude that was so easy and you blew it