Mini Normal 1873 (Game Over)

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Vanillager

What does this mean?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

As in VT?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Cool beans, cuz I targeted Lexa and she's not a vanilla townie

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

MASTINA CHANGE THE TITLE, IT'S NOT THE NIGHT

<<< I THINK SENDING PEOPLE DAYSTART PMs HOLDS PRIORITY, NO??? >>>

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

MASTINA CHANGE THE TITLE, IT'S NOT THE NIGHT

<<< I THINK SENDING PEOPLE DAYSTART PMs HOLDS PRIORITY, NO??? >>>

DID HEILOS NOT NEED TO RIDE HIS CHARIOT ACROSS THE SKY TO CALL IT DAY?

<<< Helios might have, dunno about this Heilos guy. Also I think he kinda passed that duty onto Apollo at some point or something, mythology gets rather complex past a certain point. >>>

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

So a neo-shot, does that mean a person just isn't a power role or is it "a person is not a town aligned no power role"?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

The Wiki tells me that she can't be a vanilla townie but does that mean she could have a power role and be town?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Got it captain

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

1. shannon
5. Pepchoninga
10. Garmr
13. PranaDevil

6. Lexa


My ass needs to re-read.

Also Mastina, is Garmr still in game?

<<< Given my message yesterday, yes. Garmr will be in the game until either he explicitly tells me he isn't, or he fails to meet activity requirements. Neither condition has been met. >>>

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Why do you think the scum team chose to kill BBT over you or me? BBT was contributing very little to the game and had very few original thoughts.

It's a sign that reads=shit

hence, why I'm re-reading

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

MASTINA CHANGE THE TITLE, IT'S NOT THE NIGHT

<<< I THINK SENDING PEOPLE DAYSTART PMs HOLDS PRIORITY, NO??? >>>

DID HEILOS NOT NEED TO RIDE HIS CHARIOT ACROSS THE SKY TO CALL IT DAY?

<<< Helios might have, dunno about this Heilos guy. Also I think he kinda passed that duty onto Apollo at some point or something, mythology gets rather complex past a certain point. >>>

Mythology is messed up fam

<<< It really is. Says something about the humans who made it, doesn't it? >>>

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

It could be scum theatrics as All Alone was also a surprising kill. Perhaps they could not be tied to someone in the game if they were to die?

Safe killing the quiet so NKA can't do shit.


P-Edit: Yeah that's what I'm pretty much doing with it. I saw your work when you replaced in XJordanX's last mini and you did phenomenal, so lets go for a repeat.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Well Pepboy will be able to talk today and we get his input and really, I have no clue :p

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

someone wants page top

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

but ill play your game

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

steals pagetop

<<< You forgot a critical detail: you can't delete posts.
I can. >>>

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

DID YOU JUST

<<< Utterly cheat?
Why yes.
Yes, I did. >>>

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

RUDE

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Ego post so I can watch Mastinas game

<<< I would prefer people not currently in the game to not post in the game, considering that if everyone not in the game who wanted to be in the game did so, we might have two or three pages worth of ego posting. >>>

Re-reading and I still enjoy this post

<<< I aim to please. >>>

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

VOTE: shannon

This vote doesn't count yet, consider this a note to self on who is obviously scum.

Not going to lie I'm starting off my search here because I always feel like scum want to be cheeky early game.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I'm going to make out all of Karnos' connections and then do a read over of who my TR's and SR's are, and see what matches up.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Chronologically Shannon's vote on Jordan on post 165 doesn't make sense to vote Alisae in post 216 when she never took her vote off.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Let's not give TB too much credit here. It's pretty easy to look townier than the slots who are lurking. Here, TB, have a 'welcome' vote VOTE: Think Big

This was shit and looked hella opportunistic

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

- If anyone is trying to counter-wagon ScumKarnos, it's not Lexa

hate to do pre-associative but I mean

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I really hate to do pre flips associations and lining up lynches, but do you think it is possible that neither of us are dead because we both have had a TR on Shannon and leaning town/null town on Lexa?

Well if you keep a cop alive and a conf!town alive...

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

cheating

<<< Only a little! >>>

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I honestly like Pep's ISO

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I take back what I said about Pep's ISO

Scum Game of Pep: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

Town Game of Pep: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

Tell me which ISO matches up with Pep's current iso

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

@MOD: It has been more than 14 days since Pep has last posted. Can we please prod him?

This sounds fucking funny af

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Reading his other scum game it's about the same, with a dash of maybe one or two big posts here and there.

I'm getting the vibe that his meta involves going hard fast as town and goofing off a lot and one liners as scum.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

yeah that's what 1209 was about

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

We shall see lol, I'm sleeping

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

VOTE: Think Big

Take this vote off

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Also, Lexa is the conf!lynch for myself as a scum roleblocker with apparently 3 JOATS makes the most sense. Now, how much I believe Shannon's claim, I'm not quite so sure of it.

Also, why I could use my Neo-shot on Lexa to prove she wasn't actually a VT and that not prove my role, I still don't know.

Again, how I could claim at the time that I did under no pressure be seen as scum, I won't know.

Lastly, I don't know how I could D1 start to suspect ThinkBig in the beginning, slowly build a TR, and then drop a shit ton of hints in case I died N2 that I checked TB and preplanned all that not knowing a JOAT was in the game besides myself; while also knowing if I ever flipped scum, all that would be meaningless; I seriously won't know.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I'm also not liking how you made this wild theory and voted conf!town and stopped townreading TB and I as soon as a Lexa wagon formed. It's sketch.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

We also already discussed the NKA, it's evident that scum are picking off the quiet people as they don't verbalize their reads meaning they're informationless kills.

That theory does actually make sense when you also take into regard I confirmed BBT and he later died as he then fit the two requirements of 1) Being quiet; and 2) Be conf!town

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

This game was reviewed by mhsmith0, Firebringer, and Cheery Dog.

bang bang hahaaa

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

[quote][/quote]

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

UNVOTE:

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Gin, did you even have a vote placed?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

It's weird cuz the counterwagon of town!Alisae was actually another town wagon.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

sldga

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

fadsfa

<<< Antihero, is that you? >>>

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

She's going to delete her comments, she prepared for this

<<< I always have a plan. >>>

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Ummm why is that a question? You acknowledged who I targeted with what ability and we are here because I got the neo-shot on Lexa...

Regardless

N1: ThinkBig Cop Shot
N2: BBT Gunsmith-shot
N3: Lexa Neo-Shot

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I think we need to wait for Pep, he won't show but we still need to wait

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Jesus had a middle name?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Spoiler: Pretty pretty colors

karnos

- 7 (Garmr,

XnadrojX

,

BlueBloodedToffee

, PranaDevil,

All Alone

, shannon,

ThinkBig

)

All Alone

- 2 (Lexa,

LicketyQuickety

)
PranaDevil - 1 (

Alisae

)

BlueBloodedToffee

- 1

(TheRealGin-N-Tonic)

XnadrojX

- 1 (

karnos

)

Not Voting - 1 (Pepchoninga)

LicketyQuickety

- 6 (Garmr,

All Alone

,

Alisae

, shannon,

TheRealGin-N-Tonic

,

BlueBloodedToffee

)

Alisae

- 2 (PranaDevil,

ThinkBig

)
Pepchoninga - 1 (Lexa)

Not Voting - 2 (

LicketyQuickety

, Pepchoninga)

Alisae

- 5 (PranaDevil,

BlueBloodedToffee

,

ThinkBig

, Lexa,

TheRealGin-N-Tonic

)
Lexa - 1 (

Alisae

)

Not Voting - 3 (shannon, Pepchoninga, Garmr)

Pepchoninga - 1 (Lexa)

Side note, at this point, I don't believe Lexa and pep can both actually be scum, as there would be no way in hell scum bus D2 because they'd be rightly fucked, especially at day start.

It's either TvT or SvT voting. Everything else I'm still working on and I made the spoiler to refer back to myself

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

hey

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Working on a little thing and then going to sleep but working on the questions. Don't have a clear cut answer imo

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I'm going to prodge from here on in

Looks to me an admission of guilt

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Shannon take off that vote, we can't prod/replace Pep without playing the waiting game.

<<< Actually, I can replace Pepchoninga if there's strong evidence to suggest that Pepchoninga is not playing the game. The most CONVENTIONAL way for me to do this is to wait for three days, prod him, and if he doesn't respond within two days, I have proof. That is not the only way, but it is the way that I as the moderator must default to. If you can present strong evidence that Pepchoninga is not playing the game, then I will replace the slot early. >>>

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Oh no, if I'm scum, you go back into the game and investigate to see if my actions line up with your theory, not some ultimatum saying "lynch this because it's not me"

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Considering how I could have powerlynched Lexa and ended the day but wanted Pep to talk in case he was scum should be your biggest clue that I'm not pushing a scum agenda...

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

So I'm happy with a Lexa lynch now

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Actually no I'm not happy with a Lexa lynch

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I kinda want to have her try and roleblock people to block a kill

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

shit you're right, I can see a double mislynch off of that

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Alright, back to waiting on the replacement, I'm still not done with my little project(haven't started since I left it)

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

That maybe so but in case I die, I still want time to finish my project and be alive to post it.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

BET

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

BET

I hate it when I accidentally speak in millennial terms

Can you give me your thoughts on Garmr cuz I feel like I'm town leaning

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Honestly it's such a mess and wish I didn't replace in after the fact, I need to, and ask for help in looking at the events and to see if Garmr read Karnos' post in a way that he almost "knew'" Karnos was scum or if what like he was pressing a case.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Link doesn't work dear mastina

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... unt_Format

Is the correct link, in the incorrect hyperlink, there was a 25 before the 27 causing the error

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Good to go on the link

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Oh I don't doubt the role at all, it's all just a matter of whether it's town aligned or scum aligned

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Lexa's voting looks a bit suspicious because with the exception of Alisae, she's always on someone who has almost 0 chance of being lynched.

Vote Count Theory for ya, scum are always at least on one large wagon and one wagon that will never go anywhere

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

OH SHIT

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

VOTE COUNT ANALYSIS QUEEN WITH THE VOTE COUNT SPEC OF MASTINA

HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO BOY

<<< I was so sad when she died before she could use it in Gistou. >>>

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I LOVE YOU TITUS!

Okay that's enough spam

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Impossible? No? Likely? Also no.

It's all about not just using one tool, but about like 5 of them and if you got like 50% plus 1 confidence with your tools reading scum, well damn you got yourself a case :p

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Also remember that this is a scum wagon, scum love to bus scum.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

If scum wagon=scum on wagon

If town wagon=scum off wagon


That's my baseline

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

If no one has it by then, I should be able to give you everything laid out in how you need it. Oh and by then, I mean being at my laptop to give everything color coded. You should have all the final VCs for each day, if you need each separate VC that can be done as well.

There will also be a different spoiler for every wagon on a person that goes past "max amount of scum in a wagon" in case you want to play find the townie in each set

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

So are you saying don't color code Thinkbig or I green because we aren't flipped? I mean I'm JOAT cop and proved 3 people and conf!town two people.

Obviously this is for you to do but there's that I need to know for you to consider

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Got it, talk to you in the evening

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

This is gut but I seriously feel like you're town here.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Also last comment( I know it seems like I'm active but actually I got a new phone and I'm having a blast with all the upgrades

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I never said the comment, when you say cop inno, that means only if a cop flipped and proved someone I color green, correct?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Alrighty, i'm home so doing the thing now

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

First Votecount

:

nydushermain - 2 (

Alisae

,

All Alone

)

Alisae

- 1 (Garmr)

Garmr - 1 (KTthecreeper)
shannon - 1 (

karnos

)

Not Voting - 8 (shannon,

BlueBloodedToffee

, nydushermain,

LicketyQuickety

, Pepchoninga, Lexa,

XnadrojX

, PranaDevil)

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to lynch.

Day 1's deadline is Friday, February 10th, @ 2:30 PM PST--(expired on 2017-02-10 14:30:00).

V/LA Notices/Mod Notes:

• Though insanely pretty, my votecounts are ridiculously complex and prone to error. Especially when I first start making them. Please point out any mistake, even a minor one, so I can correct it promptly.

Extras

Spoiler: Player Votecount History Day One

• shannon:
  
  
• BlueBloodedToffee

  :
  
  
• nydushermain:
  
  
• LicketyQuickety

  :
  
  
• Pepchoninga:
  
  
• Lexa:
  
  
• karnos

  :
  shannon
  
• KTthecreeper:
  Garmr
  
• Alisae

  :
  nydushermain
  
• Garmr:
  Alisae
  
  
• XnadrojX

  :
  
  
• All Alone

  :
  nydushermain
  
• PranaDevil:

Spoiler: Players Who Have BEEN Voted D1

1. nydushermain:
   2 -
   Alisae
   ,
   All Alone
   
   
2. Alisae

   :
   1 - Garmr
   
3. Garmr:
   1 - KTthecreeper
   
4. shannon:
   1 -
   karnos

Spoiler: Voting Chronology Day 1

On Fri, Jan 01/20/17 @ 02:28p,

Alisae

Voted

nydushermain

in post 28.
On Fri, Jan 01/20/17 @ 02:32p,

Garmr

Voted

Alisae

in post 29.
On Fri, Jan 01/20/17 @ 02:42p,

All Alone

Voted

nydushermain

in post 32.
On Fri, Jan 01/20/17 @ 02:52p,

KTthecreeper

Voted

Garmr

in post 36.
On Fri, Jan 01/20/17 @ 02:57p,

karnos

Voted

shannon

in post 38.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

karnos

is at L-1!

Eighteenth Votecount

:

karnos

- 6 (Garmr,

XnadrojX

,

BlueBloodedToffee

, TheRealGin-N-Tonic, PranaDevil, ThinkBig)[/color]

All Alone

- 2 (Lexa,

LicketyQuickety

)

ThinkBig - 2 (shannon,

Alisae

)

LicketyQuickety

- 1 (

All Alone

)

XnadrojX

- 1 (

karnos

)

Not Voting - 2 (Pepchoninga)

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to lynch.

karnos

is at L-1!

Day 1's deadline is Friday, February 10th, @ 2:30 PM PST--(expired on 2017-02-10 14:30:00).

V/LA Notices/Mod Notes:

• mastina, the moderator, is V/LA over weekends.
  
• Lexa is V/LA through Tuesday, January 24th.

Extras

Spoiler: Changes from Last Votecount

⁽⁺²⁾

karnos

- 6 (Garmr,

XnadrojX

,

BlueBloodedToffee

, TheRealGin-N-Tonic,

PranaDevil, ThinkBig

)

_(-2)

All Alone

- 2 (Lexa,

LicketyQuickety

,

PranaDevil

,

ThinkBig

)

⁽⁼⁰⁾

ThinkBig - 2 (shannon,

Alisae

)

₍₌₀₎

LicketyQuickety

- 1 (

All Alone

)

₍₌₀₎

XnadrojX

- 1 (

karnos

)

⁽⁼⁰⁾

Not Voting - 1 (Pepchoninga)

Last votecount was post 625, page 26.

Spoiler: Player Vote History Day One

• shannon:
  XnadrojX
  ==>
  Alisae
  ==>
  LicketyQuickety
  ==>ThinkBig
  
• BlueBloodedToffee

  :
  karnos
  
  
• nydushermain/TheRealGin-N-Tonic:
  Alisae
  |
  karnos
  ==>Pepchoninga==>
  karnos
  
  
• LicketyQuickety

  :
  Alisae
  ==>shannon==>
  All Alone
  
  
• Pepchoninga:
  
  
• Lexa:
  All Alone
  
  
• karnos

  :
  shannon==>nydushermain==>
  LicketyQuickety
  ==>>
  XnadrojX
  
  
• KTthecreeper/ThinkBig:
  Garmr |
  LicketyQuickety
  =>Unvote==>
  All Alone
  ==>
  karnos
  
  
• Alisae

  :
  nydushermain==>
  LicketyQuickety
  ==>
  XnadrojX
  ==>
  All Alone
  ==>Thinkbig
  
• Garmr:
  Alisae
  ==>
  karnos
  
  
• XnadrojX

  :
  Alisae
  ==>
  karnos
  
  
• All Alone

  :
  nydushermain=>Unvote==>PranaDevil==>
  LicketyQuickety
  
  
• PranaDevil:
  Alisae
  -->
  LicketyQuickety
  -->
  All Alone
  -->
  karnos

Spoiler: Players Who Have BEEN Voted D1

1. karnos

   :
   7 - Garmr,
   XnadrojX
   , TheRealGin-N-Tonic,
   BlueBloodedToffee
   , TheRealGin-N-Tonic, PranaDevil, ThinkBig
   
2. Alisae

   :
   6 - Garmr,
   LicketyQuickety
   , PranaDevil,
   XnadrojX
   , nydushermain, shannon
   
3. LicketyQuickety

   :
   6 -
   karnos
   ,
   Alisae
   , PranaDevil, shannon, ThinkBig,
   All Alone
   
   
4. All Alone

   :
   5 - Lexa,
   Alisae
   ,
   LicketyQuickety
   , PranaDevil, ThinkBig
   
5. nydushermain/TheRealGin-N-Tonic:
   3 -
   Alisae
   ,
   All Alone
   ,
   karnos
   
   
6. XnadrojX

   :
   3 - shannon,
   karnos
   ,
   Alisae
   
   
7. shannon:
   2 -
   karnos
   ,
   LicketyQuickety
   
   
8. ThinkBig:
   2 - shannon,
   Alisae
   
   
9. Garmr:
   1 - KTthecreeper
   
10. Pepchoninga:
    1 - TheRealGin-N-Tonic
    
11. PranaDevil:
    1 -
    All Alone

Spoiler: Voting Chronology Day 1

On Fri, Jan 01/20/17 @ 02:28p,

Alisae

Voted

nydushermain

in post 28.
On Fri, Jan 01/20/17 @ 02:32p,

Garmr

Voted

Alisae

in post 29.
On Fri, Jan 01/20/17 @ 02:42p,

All Alone

Voted

nydushermain

in post 32.
On Fri, Jan 01/20/17 @ 02:52p,

KTthecreeper

Voted

Garmr

in post 36.
On Fri, Jan 01/20/17 @ 02:57p,

karnos

Voted

shannon

in post 38.
On Fri, Jan 01/20/17 @ 03:19p,

LicketyQuickety

Voted

Alisae

in post 46.
On Fri, Jan 01/20/17 @ 03:31p,

PranaDevil

voted

Alisae

in post 52.
On Fri, Jan 01/20/17 @ 04:43p,

XnadrojX

Voted

Alisae

in post 67.
On Fri, Jan 01/20/17 @ 05:57p,

shannon

Voted

XnadrojX

in post 69.
On Fri, Jan 01/20/17 @ 07:13p,

Lexa

Voted

All Alone

in post 73.
On Fri, Jan 01/20/17 @ 07:28p,

karnos

Voted

nydushermain

in post 75.
On Fri, Jan 01/20/17 @ 07:48p,

LicketyQuickety

Voted

shannon

in post 80.
On Fri, Jan 01/20/17 @ 09:08p,

karnos

Voted

LicketyQuickety

in post 99.
On Fri, Jan 01/20/17 @ 09:09p,

Alisae

Voted

LicketyQuickety

in post 100.
On Fri, Jan 01/20/17 @ 09:19p,

Garmr

Voted

karnos

in post 102.
On Fri, Jan 01/20/17 @ 10:17p,

nydushermain

Voted

Alisae

in post 115.
On Fri, Jan 01/20/17 @ 10:23p,

XnadrojX

Voted

karnos

in post 120.
On Sat, Jan 01/21/17 @ 09:38a,

karnos

Unvoted

LicketyQuickety

, and Voted

XnadrojX

in post 188.
On Sat, Jan 01/21/17 @ 01:41p,

Alisae

Voted

XnadrojX

in post 210.
On Sat, Jan 01/21/17 @ 05:51p,

shannon

Voted

Alisae

in post 216.
On Sat, Jan 01/21/17 @ 10:54p,

TheRealGin-N-Tonic

Voted

karnos

in post 245.
On Sun, Jan 01/22/17 @ 12:39a,

BlueBloodedToffee

Voted

karnos

in post 261.
On Sun, Jan 01/22/17 @ 04:10p,

PranaDevil

voted

LicketyQuickety

in post 279.
On Sun, Jan 01/22/17 @ 04:30p,

TheRealGin-N-Tonic

Voted

Pepchoninga

in post 283.
On Sun, Jan 01/22/17 @ 04:37p,

All Alone

Unvoted

(

TheRealGin-N-Tonic

)

in post 285.
On Sun, Jan 01/22/17 @ 04:38p,

TheRealGin-N-Tonic

Voted

karnos

in post 286.
On Sun, Jan 01/22/17 @ 04:39p,

Alisae

Voted

All Alone

in post 287.
On Mon, Jan 01/23/17 @ 01:21a,

shannon

Voted

LicketyQuickety

in post 367.
On Mon, Jan 01/23/17 @ 07:37a,

All Alone

Voted

PranaDevil

in post 400.
On Mon, Jan 01/23/17 @ 07:41a,

LicketyQuickety

Voted

All Alone

in post 401.
On Tue, Jan 01/24/17 @ 03:16p,

ThinkBig

Voted

LicketyQuickety

in post 499.
On Tue, Jan 01/24/17 @ 03:48p,

All Alone

Voted

LicketyQuickety

in post 515.
On Tue, Jan 01/24/17 @ 05:00p,

shannon

Voted

ThinkBig

in post 536.
On Tue, Jan 01/24/17 @ 05:18p,

PranaDevil

voted

All Alone

in post 542.
On Tue, Jan 01/24/17 @ 06:06p,

ThinkBig

Unvoted

(

LicketyQuickety

)

in post 566.
On Tue, Jan 01/24/17 @ 06:07p,

Alisae

Voted

ThinkBig

in post 569.
On Tue, Jan 01/24/17 @ 07:01p,

ThinkBig

Voted

All Alone

in post 609.
On Wed, Jan 01/25/17 @ 09:16a,

PranaDevil

voted

karnos

in post 668.
On Wed, Jan 01/25/17 @ 10:16a,

ThinkBig

Voted

karnos

in post 670.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Notes on my Claims and when I did what:
N1: I cop shot ThinkBig, and hard defended anyone that dared vote him.
N2: I used gunsmith shot on BBT for the lolhammer and cleared him from a mislynch.
N3: I used it on Lexa because she's the only one who I know I didn't check and claimed VT, so I checked it with the Neo shot and it turns out she lied and she's a roleblocker.

I didn't announce my role until D3 start and D4 start I announced Lexa was lying.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I was too lazy to get rid of the "[/color]" mkay?

Also considering that was done in 20 minutes, credit where credit is due :p

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Mastina, sweetie, it was easy.

1) multiquote
2) preview
3) ctrl+A
4) ctrl+C
5) Word doc
6) ctrl+V
7) Find and replace all "karnos" with "[color]karnos[/color]"
8) Rinse and repeat for all the players flipped :p

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I could have fixed the broken tags but lol lazy and dear Titus can make due and I can't wait to see what she comes up with.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Spoiler: 1. Claims

1. shannon - JOAT (1-shot jailkeeper,1-shot doctor,1-shot bodyguard)
3. TheRealGin-N-Tonic - JOAT (1-shot cop, 1-shot gunsmith, 1-shot neapolitan)
5. Titus - No claim
6. Lexa - Roleblocker
8. ThinkBig - Vanilla
10. Garmr - Vanilla
13. PranaDevil - No claim

2. Scum Lynch = karnos D1, non guilty

3. Expectations stage is next?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I'm just sitting here watching and learning because this is fascinating

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Doesn't say it in the OP

<<< Except it does? >>>

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

One could assume encryptor but Occam's Razor and I'd have to research all of Mastina's modded games to see the plausibility that she would use it.

<<< While daychat is not universally present in my prior Normal games, since it is publicly present as being in this game I can tell you that I basically will never deprive scum of daychat ever. >>>

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

He literally never voted

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

lmfao I'm Gin and Gin only

Thinkbig cop shot town conf

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I also cleared BBT, what does that lead to?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Got it chief

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Checked BBT night 2 after his "pow" hammer and used a gunsmith, given that my results said he had no gun, I was able to conclude he was not mafia

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Let the queen finish her work :p

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Lexa, Shannon, Prana, Garmr respectively

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

exactly why i say respectively

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Lexa and Shannon first, then Prana, then Garmr as my suspects

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

No SK in the game so yeah it was

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I knew that Pine-A-Tonics hydra would cause confusion. At least you're not calling me "Jin"

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I don't believe so as I multiquoted them all but i can check. Also what do you mean see BBT wagon?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I was the only one to ever actually vote BBT I think

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I should replace out and Pine take my place <_<

<<< I'd totally let you hydra, but in spite of my FIRM resistance to the issue, hydras were deemed banned in Normal games. Still bitter about that. >>>

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I should replace out and Pine take my place <_<

Not serious Mastina

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I hate Pine hate hate hate hate hate hate hate Pine and his stupid fucking scum god-like WIFOM, besides that he's chill

<<< I only hate him for being a stupid fucking scum god-like WIFOM when I'm dead. Because when I'm alive I see through it, yo. >>>

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Under pressure and then faked a guilty on Lexa if I recall

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Ya know, I honestly do feel like Garmr's case on LQ was a town case. Mainly due to the fact that I was so easily able to see it and then push like no tomorrow on LQ.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Also, it taught me my town reads are town reads for a reason, I shouldn't have been as rash as I was

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Major hint that scum already have a mislynch in mind (or if you didn't know my slot's alignment) that I am scum or it's too early to determine lurkers

Where did this come from?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I'm being fucking stupid because I know scum slips come from town 90% of the time but could you reword it because it's bugging me seeing "that I am scum"

It just sounds really weird and makes me uncomfortable

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Intriguing. What was the vote count as of post 452?

I really wish there was a way we could have a moderator that basically page tops every page with a vote count and you could check that

<<< I know, right? The moderator sure does drop the ball on those VCs! We should get a better one. >>>

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

It's not like one could go, oh look, 450 is divisible by 25 so it's a page top, my post i'm relating to is 2 posts under that. Let me ask an unnecessary question when I can go do the research myself and present a theory with what i have concluded instead of asking empty questions

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I'm being fucking stupid because I know scum slips come from town 90% of the time but could you reword it because it's bugging me seeing "that I am scum"

It just sounds really weird and makes me uncomfortable

No problem.

If scum don't pressure a lurker slot it's because either

a) Scum have a planned mislynch
b) It's a buddy
c) Scum don't need to (planned bus, town eating itself, etc)

This is true, lurkers are great for mid-late game lynches to eat up time to LyLo

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

So Lexa, what did you learn from having the vote counts?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Well the vote counts dont lie

<<< Well, they don't LIE, but they can accidentally speak something which isn't true, if I fuck up at any point in time. So it'd be more accurate to say you'd certainly HOPE they don't lie, as them lying would reflect rather poorly on my competence. >>>

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

The only one I've come up with so far is that scum is in fact pressuring the lurker but that would mean I'm scum so I'm still puzzling.

Although admitting this makes me wonder why scum!you would say that

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I have been thinking that scum probally have a rolecop as they would have no reason to kill allone after all the cases against him.

I would look for players who dropped there scum read of him day 2.

Occums Razor.

That's just going to lead us down a wild goose chase

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

What I do find interesting is that excluding the possibility of role cop, the only not dead player All Alone disagreed with or had ill-manners towards was Prana

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

What I do find interesting is that excluding the possibility of role cop, the only not dead player All Alone disagreed with or had ill-manners towards was Prana

Admittedly, it's also weak reasoning as he didn't really say much at all.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Titus have you claimed? Really i want a mass claim at this point because only two people, I think Titus maybe as well, haven't done so.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

1. shannon - JOAT (1-shot jailkeeper,1-shot doctor,1-shot bodyguard)
3. TheRealGin-N-Tonic - JOAT (1-shot cop, 1-shot gunsmith, 1-shot neapolitan)
5. Titus - No claim
6. Lexa - Roleblocker
8. ThinkBig - Vanilla
10. Garmr - Vanilla
13. PranaDevil - No claim

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I am as well

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Well completely honest, my reads are shaky and weak.

For what they are, I think:

Garmr, town
Lexa which can only be described as the Facebook "It's Complicated" town but like, scum blocked makes sense
You are town off of a gut read
Thinkbig is conf!town
Shannon I still don't like and I think it's a fake claim
Prana feels town but I haven't dug hard.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I mostly get bad vibes from Prana's and karnos' interactions

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

karnos, please use the nn-existent venge-kill on me, I beg of you. Especially as I said pressure not "claim", blatant misrepping of what I said.

This really pings

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

How can you say scum have a role cop? 100%

What do you know that we dont?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I have been thinking that scum probally have a rolecop as they would have no reason to kill allone after all the cases against him.

I would look for players who dropped there scum read of him day 2.

Scum has a role cop. Gin has claimed to have a role cop. Coincidence?

Also interesting that Gin is starting to change his read on Lexa based on Titus's VCA.

Also, this is a false narrative.

I have a gunsmith telling me if a player has a gun or not, a Neo shot, telling me if they are VT or not, and a regular sane cop shot.

Where did this role cop come from that you "know" is in the game now?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Does the mafia really need a cop shannon?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

That part doesn't matter, scum are forced to kill TB and I because they know we are confirmed, at least to each other. If it becomes 2v1 and TB and I are alive, it's an auto town win.

TB and I's claim will sort itself out without the need of running the risk of lynching one and having the other one shot getting rid of two conf!town in a row.

It's also cute when you realize BBT was a lurker but once I confirmed him as town, he died the next night.

So the people I do in fact conf! as town are dying, just not in the order expected.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I could vote Prana if she doesn't claim at this point. I don't want any late game shenanigans

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

After the claim tho Titus, I do need you to give reads based on day play.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

How so Garmr?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

So tomorrow is MyLo if we get this wrong

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Sorry, wasn't clear, I was asking Titus about why she says you haven't claimed when you said VT

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Oh god the urge to smartass this is rising.

Do it or else be classified by the yawn emoji

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Let's not have late game shenanigans

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Garmr, Prana is completely safe to claim due to the fact that ThinkBig and I have to die in order for scum to have a chance at this game. There is no possible way TB and I make it to LyLo so we are going to be the kills.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Just think, if Prana claims a PR role, that means scum are forced to kill her. They then know that TB and I are alive and are conf!town.

That leaves a

A 2 conf!town vs 2 scum vs 1 unknown if we fuck up this lynch and go to LyLo.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Well at this point I believe there is only benefit to her claiming.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

The reason I'm starting to think you're scum is because you won't claim.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

We already went over that if you claim, you still won't be dying because of the fact that TB and I have to die so there are not two conf!town in LyLo.

At this point it's anti-town to not claim.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

What you guys hi and umming about?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

heyo, so is there something I'm blind to see?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I'm actually now leaning more of a Devil/Garmr team than Shannon/Lexa team. Scum!Lexa would have role blocked Gin last night.

For me it's like, why not block me? If I was blocked, she would still be under the guise of VT and I still wouldn't have been able to see that she was lying.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

That doesn't work anyways cuz I used the shot on you

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

That doesn't work anyways cuz I used the shot on you

cop shot to be exact.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Pine, I do have to ask.

You have a rolecop allegedly. There's a dead rolecop. Nothing you've done cannot be faked. I don't believe it is. I do have to ask though.

ehmm

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

You could like, not answer questions directed towards me, thank you, bye

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

you got my name wrong

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Ya'll mocking me

<<< No, they're complimenting you. Being passed around means you're good to have! >>>

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

We also discussed it's entirely safe to claim as she, in no way is going to be the one to die tonight if town!Prana

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

IT'S ENTIRELY SAFE TO CLAIM

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Thinkbig, can it, let Titus do her thing.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

So let's not give Titus shit and voe Prana if she claims. I fully endorse the motion at hand

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

So let's not give Titus shit and voe Prana if she doesn't claim. I fully endorse the motion at hand

EBWOP

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I see what you did there

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

ThinkBig LISTEN TO ME. STOP FUCKING PUSHING THIS.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

You know I'm town, you may or may not think Titus is scum, but even if you can't see what she's doing, I know, I'm not saying what I think she's doing but just back off.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Garmr, why are you trying to discredit a claim before one has even claimed?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Let him answer his own questions when I ask him directly.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Then pass me the bottle.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I only did it to TB because I know TB is town in this case, as to why I don't need read information, Garmr on the other hand...

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

negative utility as "only hurts town"

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Can we not talk about role blockers until tomorrow?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Alright, discuss the reasoning why Shannon would claim that she had 3 protective shots instead of just going down the VT route.

My gut has been a good gut this game and right now my gut says Shannon!scum doesn't claim protectives and think it would be a good idea to push me as scum.

This is the basis that scum know I'm town and what I'm doing so they know if they push it and actually get the lynch, major heat falls on their slot. I'm saying that only town in this scenario has the audacity to actually question my slot based on her own actions.

If you still don't get it, also do the old trick of "what would I do in this situation."

If you had used a bodyguard on someone who was a town investigative role and outed themselves, would you not be suspect if they weren't targeted; especially given the scenario where a lurker slot died over a talkative conf player?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

No one post, I'm theory crafting and don't need distractions

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

As for Prana's voting pattern, Alisae being the usual lynch bait means that would be the attempted counterwagon on Karnos. Prana voted near the end when if by VCA, that means they finally decided to bus. If I do remember correctly, it also goes to show that Prana had a death tunnel for Alisae.

The other thing to note is that when Karnos was scumming it up in the thread, Prana voted All Alone saying it was a much better lynch because All Alone currently had posted much. If I remember, Titus explained counterwagons form on lurkerslots to get scum out of a bad situation and that was evidently one of them.

Prana and Garmr make sense now as the scum.

Garmr with the early push on a partner to gain town cred for it and Prana near the end when it was soon realized no other wagon would likely occur.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

That is my theory on vote counts.

-Credits to Titus

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Intent to hammer if no claim is given

(expired on 2017-02-14 08:00:00)

P-Edit: Eh, it's all good. You opened the idea to me and I have to work things out myself before I really get it anyways.

I think by tonight, I should be able to figure out a game solve play but I won't release it unless I find it perfect/full proof.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

pointed that out earlier as what is suspect to me.

I find it weird because at least from my analysis, Karnos claiming Vengeful made no sense from scum as it's a promised lynch. I will still say it but I really fucking hate how I get caught by "too dumb to be scum" moves.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

You should post and we discuss it before hammering because I will have plenty to chime in about.

I will only discuss it when it becomes full proof, otherwise I drop anything that can be manipulated, well I just helped scum.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

@mod I stole your page top.

<<< Oh yeah?
Well I stole your double-post, you...you...you double-poster! How do you like

that

?!? >>>

You truly are the queen of shade mastina

<<< For now.
See, shade is subservient to shadow, which is subservient to darkness, and I'm planning on usurping the throne from the rulers of darkness itself. Which is technically supposed to be a secret, but everyone knows anyway. >>>

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Garmr, why are you trying to discredit a claim before one has even claimed?

It's not that i'm trying to discredit it I just experienced this type of shit from before they are vague and make it seem like they have a result and then they go back on it when the lynch going oh you just assumed I did. I want her to put a stance down so I can figure out whats going on.

Nah, let Prana deal with it himself. Prana doesn't need you to defend himself.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

A basic concept that scum don't claim Vengeful because it's a promised lynch. The dude did a horrid play and quite honestly against his wincoin. Although, i don't remember acting all high and mighty. Unless you mean how I begged the doctor onto me because I have the investigative roles. I feigned arrogance so that scum wouldn't dare touch me or actually get the doc.

LQ wagon, what you're saying here is what I can assume is this quote

I town read him so freaking hard tho, I knew in my SOUL that he was town and then Garmr told me why LQ could be scum and I liked the smell of it and took off lol

Yeah, I retold what happened. I town read LQ, you made a huge deal saying LQ was scum over Alisae, and then I took your opinion, formed my own and took off with it. I didn't put all the blame onto you

It also wasn't about Alisae being a VI, that's how I got the town read on her from the first place, it was what was perceived as a counterwagon by you to get heat off of Alisae so we rushed the slot.

Now, here's where things change. Prana isn't a Village idiot and I don't know where you got that from. Also considering that I've been town reading Prana, that leads to reason as to why I'm actually alive today and the same for Lexa as after the Alisae flip, heat was indeed being pressured on the Lexa slot.

What also changes is that once Titus joined, there has been a lot of actual discussion going on about reads instead of the quick lynching and you call my play abysmal.

You didn't call my play abysmal when I was running up Lexa but now that I'm pushing Prana, you're doing everything in your power to say my play is shit and that I shouldn't think the way I am because I should feel bad.

This is twice now that you've blown up and now that you're actually back and playing, I see it as a facade. It reads fake.

So yeah, I'm lynching Prana today.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Also lol at the fact that you say I haven't been reading the thread when I actually had day start scum read Shannon and Lexa and then because of re-reading I flipped to a Prana/Garmr scum read.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

For the record, if you actually wanted me to move my vote, you wouldn't spend a lot of time defending Prana, you should be focusing me on placing my vote elsewhere.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Why do you want me to feel bad about my Prana vote so much?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

You're saying I made mistakes in the past so I should stop doing what I am now.

The only difference here is that if you actually wanted to bitch at me, you would have done that at Day start, not when I start pushing Prana

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Also lol at the fact that you say I haven't been reading the thread when I actually had day start scum read Shannon and Lexa and then because of re-reading I flipped to a Prana/Garmr scum read.

Never said you weren't reading the thread just you don't learn from your mistakes.

Also, you did in fact say i wasn't going over the thread with what you said below

Now your doing the same thing with pranadevil instead of looking over the whole game.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I'm asking one more question and then waiting for all the responses, why is it that I made an entire post responding to each point you made in your rant and you decide to not engage in it and respond to the addendum?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

The point is I have a scum read on lexa and titus are you willing to shift to any of those.


pedit
Feel bad? I'm just trying to stop a mislynch. But if you want to go and lynch prana that's fine go do it. Just know I'm going to be instantly voting titus once prana flips town.

If I'm wrong I will get mislynched but at that point the game should be pretty much solved so I Don't really have to much to worry about there.

Prove that Lexa is scum, don't just say Lexa is scum.

Also prove that Prana is town, I'm not buying you having a fit and saying "just agree with me because you've been playing bad"

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Also out of bbt and you bbt was killed let that sink in for a second.

That means my reads where bad Garmr, that's what it means.

I know how to manipulate a game based off of who and who not to kill. You can be a great game solver and charismatic but as long as you have bad reads, you'll be kept alive.

Now that my reads have changed, I don't suspect that I'll live past tonight.

Also, if Prana is town, whoever hammers before the claim will be a deadset scum claim, this is L-1
VOTE: Prana

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I will say it again, insulting me will get you no where. Prove your reads instead of attacking me personally to try and sway my reads.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I hope you don't tbh.

Well as long as you shoot me, then you're wish will be fulfilled

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Nah I think I will let you mislynch prana (which I have been proving is town duh.) and hope you die so I can force titus into 1v1 tomorrow.

This doesn't come from town.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Nah I think I will let you mislynch prana (which I have been proving is town duh.) and hope you die so I can force titus into 1v1 tomorrow.

This doesn't come from town.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Nah I think I will let you mislynch prana (which I have been proving is town duh.) and hope you die so I can force titus into 1v1 tomorrow.

This doesn't come from town.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Nah I think I will let you mislynch prana (which I have been proving is town duh.) and hope you die so I can force titus into 1v1 tomorrow.

This doesn't come from town.

<<< I think this triple-post was intentional, so I'm leaving it be, but in the future, if it's intentional, I'd like a way of knowing because I

will

by default delete duplicate posts. >>>

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

It's weird how when I iso you, I can't actually find where you came to the conclusion that Prana was town. You don't really explain why.

As for your scum reads, they're Titus for pushing Prana, Lexa for claiming roleblocker, and Shannon for?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Regardless, I'm done with this discussion as it really wasn't. Your refusal to actually discuss reads makes me believe you're faking it. You choose to insult me and say my play is weak instead of trying to show me how I'm wrong.

There is no benefit in engaging with you if all you're going to say is "you're pushing a mislynch".

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

By play, how is Lexa scum

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

As for Prana's voting pattern, Alisae being the usual lynch bait means that would be the attempted counterwagon on Karnos. Prana voted near the end when if by VCA, that means they finally decided to bus. If I do remember correctly, it also goes to show that Prana had a death tunnel for Alisae.

The other thing to note is that when Karnos was scumming it up in the thread, Prana voted All Alone saying it was a much better lynch because All Alone currently had posted much. If I remember, Titus explained counterwagons form on lurkerslots to get scum out of a bad situation and that was evidently one of them.

Prana and Garmr make sense now as the scum.

Garmr with the early push on a partner to gain town cred for it and Prana near the end when it was soon realized no other wagon would likely occur.

That is my theory on vote counts.

Also, when it comes to the VCA, this is the conclusion I came too without realizing it aligned with Titus' investigation.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... t=+by+camn

Oh look, a game with 8 freaking trackers.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Titus, powers, what are they?
I need to equate them in the plan

UNVOTE:

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Okay dude, you're pushing a narrative that Titus is forced to vote based on narrative, I'm asking you to fucking tell me by play how Prana is town, which you admitted to not doing, how Shannon is scum, and how Lexa is scum.

TB, Garmr and Prana both claim VT

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Okay dude, you're pushing a narrative that Titus is forced to vote based on claims, I'm asking you to fucking tell me by play how Prana is town, which you admitted to not doing, how Shannon is scum, and how Lexa is scum.

TB, Garmr and Prana both claim VT

EBWOP

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

unless is a word using in the English language