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No, that's why this wagon IS helpful. What is your gut saying, Parama? Who would you vote other than kondi?Parama wrote:WOOOOOOHOOOOOO
CooLskins and Beck just both double RVSed. There is a 100% chance at least one is scum.
Hrezs has posted and isn't voting. There is an 80% chance he is scum.
Surye hasn't posted yet outside of confirmation and I'd like the mod to unofficially prod him. There is a 100% chance he will post following that prod.
kondi is still a totally good policy lynch. There is a 50% chance I will keep my vote on him after this post.
This game's only on page three. It's impossible for me to have caught all the scum at this point, but there is an 80% chance that 2 of the 3 players I have mentioned are scum, and a 100% chance that at least one is.
This wagon isn't helpful at all.
CooLskins, why is Beck scum?
Beck, why is CooLskins scum?
Hrezs, why is kondi town?
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Because of the timing, the manner in which you voted Parama, etc. Besides, I'm not convinced you meant to bring attention to yourself. I think you're revising history here. The end result was more attention on you, but I don't think it was intentional on your part. Certainly it hasn't been good attention.-
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lolwifom "I meant to get negative attention on myself!" That's not a good, protown idea if you are town. And I still don't buy it.Beck wrote:bobsnox wrote:Because of the timing, the manner in which you voted Parama, etc. Besides, I'm not convinced you meant to bring attention to yourself. I think you're revising history here. The end result was more attention on you, but I don't think it was intentional on your part. Certainly it hasn't been good attention.
So you honestly think I made a statement like that thinking it would go unnoticed?
Sure the attention has been negative, I figured people would jump all over me, so far it's gone exactly how I have planned and if/when I eventually die (by lynch or by maf/SK/vig kill) I'll leave the game with no regrets.
What I have provided is 2 serious wagons, one on parama and one on me.
Perfect for VCA later in the game.
I started the Parama wagon, by the way. Not sure why you're trying to take credit for it. Especially since you were the last one on it.
Lots of good or bad content? <_<Zodiark13 wrote:Wow. Beck is putting out lots of content. Would like to post more, but the game I'm currently modding takes ages to mod due to [REDACTED], and I need to leave ASAP. Sorry.-
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Celebloki wrote:RVSUnvote
Been reading and re-reading through this thread and it really got interesting towards the end. My reads of the first few pages is mostly just random chit chat but once the Parama wagon got going the game picked up. I agree with post #74. Beck wagonned onto Parama which started as an RVS wagon and now is trying to explain why it's not scummy. Primarily his "starting discussion" defense. As I was reading I was thinking to myself, "When I finish reading I'm going to be witty and vote him for his reaction", But it would appear he is now sitting atL-1. I'm not quite comfortable yet with hammering him so I am going to wait.
@kondi, were you aware you put Beck at L-1?
You shouldn't be comfortable with lynching anyone this fast and before he claims... I don't like that statement that "you are going to wait" and not explaining what you are waiting for.-
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Beck - you have done nothing protown so far. If you are mislynched and we catch scum from it, it will not be thanks to you but thanks to bad scum play.Celebloki wrote:bobsnox wrote:
You shouldn't be comfortable with lynching anyone this fast and before he claims... I don't like that statement that "you are going to wait" and not explaining what you are waiting for.
I rambled a bit too much in that post. I meant that as I was reading through the thread, I intended to vote on him but once I got to kondi's post and recounted based on that unofficial vote count I realized it would be bad so I am waiting. Instead I'm interested in Kondi's reasons for putting him at L-1 and xvart for L-2.
No that still doesn't address what I'm saying. You are basically saying you thought hammering Beck would be bad and so you're waiting for some other reason to hammer him. You didn't state or imply what reason that might be. That is scummy. Just waiting it scum saying, "I don't want to look bad so I'll wait for an excuse to finish him off." Not "I'll wait and judge his claim" or "I'll wait until I see a good case on him." Just "I'll wait."
Not damning but I still don't like it.FoS Celebloki
I doubt Parama is scum from what we've seen so far. The last time I pushed for his lynch he immediately started pushing for mine and actually got me mislynched. He did so as scum. He has responded in a much better manner in this game.Beck wrote:Parama wrote:OSV in a 13p?
pssh. all that would do is waste a lynch for the town. I see no reason to change my vote.
So you are fine lynching a town PR? Nice job. I knew I was right about you.
UNVOTE: Beck
Beck lives for today provided he allows the rest of us to direct his shot. If his target doesn't die, we lynch him.
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Beck wrote:Why should I let my kill be guided? Scum is going to try to get me to kill a townie.
If they are convincing enough, they win night 1
There are more town than scum in this game. That means there are more townies who would direct the kill than scum.
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didn't like it but I thought his reaction to my FoS was townie so he's a null read for me.Haschel Cedricson wrote:First off, Bob, what do you think of Celebloki's hammer?
Parama, why are you voting for Hrezs?
Vote: Parama
I don't like deselby's reaction to my Coolskins vote and I don't like how Coolskins ignored it and my vote (unless I missed it - phone posting sorry). There are clearly better suspects than myself at the moment.
Parama's hrezs vote threw me off but I don't think he's scum. He's not today's lynch.-
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Xvart - those three together?...
Haschel - how he basically summarized why everyone was content to lynch Beck (seemed like a scummy way to seem protown instead of natural town behavior) and how he earlier just said he wanted to wait before hammering without explaining why.
You know what, I'm good with a cele lynch after reviewing his case again.
UNVOTE: Coolskins
VOTE: Celeboki
I think this is the right idea for now. Coolskins and deselby are reacting to my first vote. We can get more info out of them while gettimg the Celeboki wagon going.
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So what you're telling me is you dismissed something you didn't understand? That's all that can be inferred from your posts at this point. That might as well be a scum confession.deselby wrote:bobsnox wrote:Very very jumpy. Smacked of paranoia. Barely concealed OMGUS. Weak target for weak reasons.
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I attacked you simply because you used ludicrous "evidence" for an assertion.
"weak reasons"?! Do you really think your reason was stronger?
Yes, all you have done is dismiss me WITHOUT (apparently) understanding my point. There's a huge difference between not seeing reasoning in my posts (which is clearly there) and thinking that reasoning is weak. You can't seem to take a stance on which it is. That's incredibly weak reasoning on your part to not only vote me but have me as your number one suspect at this point.
UNVOTE: Celebloki
VOTE: deselby
You have condemned yourself:deselby wrote:Town aim to lynch on evidence, scum just aim to lynch.-
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Were you ever going to deny that you and Coolskins had a pre-game talk in the scumchat or are you just going to keep implying that it's a ludicrous idea?
PREGAME SCUMCHAT? THAT'S... THAT'S RIDICULOUS! BOBSNOX IS SCUM FOR SUGGESTING SUCH A NOTION.
That's about all you've said so far yet you seem content to leave it at that. What's also weird is that you haven't even brought up my day one behavior. Was I scummy then? I pushed pretty hard for the Beck lynch, but all you're focusing on is my suspicions on you. Very very narrow tunneling on me and very little analysis in other directions. Your reads are fairly thin. Some of them are downright bad (e.g., Coolskins, Haschel, Parama, zodiark). You jumped all over me foryet you're wary of calling Parama scum with his weird hrezs vote. I don't think he's scum but I think you're scum avoiding him and looking for a good mislynch (me).FoSing you
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did you miss the part where I suggested we prove Beck's claim and let him live and hedon_johnson wrote:why doesn't someone unvote a claimed OSV? the role is borderline confirmable, and if not, players shot can be directed and player can be lynched later when its safe. its also much more likely to be a fakeclaim from a sk than a mafia, so this lynch is headed in the wrong direction. anyone posting from here on out without at least speculation on that matter or an unvote is getting serious scumpoints.REFUSED with a nice fuck you? No protown killer responds the way he did. If he had gone along with the plan at first he wouldn't have been lynched. And I did unvote him.bobsnox wrote:UNVOTE: Beck
Beck lives for today provided he allows the rest of us to direct his shot. If his target doesn't die, we lynch him.
VOTE: Don_johnsonbobsnox wrote:Who is Beck shooting tonight?
To which he responded with crap like:bobsnox wrote:For the record, I don't believe his claim either. Especially given his defense and ad hom against those who suspect him. Typical scum frustration IMO. But his claim is testable and could be beneficial.
Beck wrote:Oh and fuck you all if you think I'm taking advice on my NK, if you think that's going to happen you better just lynch me now. I follow my own scum hunting, not anyone else.Beck wrote:Why should I let my kill be guided? Scum is going to try to get me to kill a townie.
If they are convincing enough, they win night 1
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bobsnox wrote:Beck wrote:Oh and fuck you all if you think I'm taking advice on my NK, if you think that's going to happen you better just lynch me now. I follow my own scum hunting, not anyone else.
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UNVOTE: don
VOTE: Beckbobsnox wrote:If you were town you'd agree with the plan. There is no protown reason to disagree. lynch it with fire.-
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don - OSVs who refuse to have their shot directed by a majority vote when on the verge of being lynched are stupid or scum. Beck was unfortunately the former, but the lynch was still a good one IMO.
xvart - Celebloki may have been certain Beck was SK. Celebloki is not a horrible lynch candidate for today.-
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CoolSkins is more protown than deselby, thus my deselby vote over Coolskins. To answer Don's question, though, yes, I am good with a Coolskins lynch. I would prefer deselby because, contrary to recent thoughts from the above posters, his response to my FOS (IT WAS AN FOS FOR GOODNESS SAKE) is trash and he has not responded well since.
There is a reason I seem like a buddy with Parama, btw. He is not today's lynch and neither am I. He may be at a later time but we need a lot more evidence to go off of.
Old argument is old. Dude said fuck you guys if you think I'm letting you direct my kill. That's blatantly anti-town. Celebloki summed it up perfectly in his hammer post.Hrezs wrote:doesn't believe Beck's claim, but unvotes him to let him shoot
..then votes him a again..Celebloki wrote:He flailing. Got caught, claimed and thought he saved himself, got arrogant, now that the pressure is reapplied he becomes a team player again in the blink of an eye. He's just trying to appease.
Obviously we were wrong about Beck but that doesn't make him protown or any worse of a lynch. It was only a bad lynch in that we lost a PR. It was not a bad lynch in terms of appropriate actions given the circumstances. I am not backing down on that point-
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That was helpful
WE thought he was SCUM and acted accordingly. He was only going to be alive for one night after he claimed and we gave him an appropriate manner in which to use his shot. That was his only option as far as I was concerned. He could have chosen a better way to convince us otherwise but he reacted with craptastic anti-town rage and paid for it. Now you're trying to blame the rest of us for not believing Beck's claim after his retarded reaction? Good old hindsight bias and finger pointing.-
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I'm reviewing everyone's ISO to see what I've missed. Would you guys look over Zodiark's ISO and tell me what you see in 181 and 242? There is something very inconsistent that I completely missed before ISOing.
UNVOTE: deselby
VOTE: Zodiark
We need to focus on nailing individual scum and less on determining scum teams at this early stage. I have a tendency to start grouping people together as suspects early in the game and it almost never pans out well.
Good lynches / wagons I will join:
deselby
Coolskins
Hrezs
Do not lynch today:
bobsnox
Parama
Haschel (not today - I disagree with his comments completely but I don't see a lot of scumminess in them)
We need to hear a lot from Kondi's slot. I'm null on don right now. Same with xvart. I have no obvtown reads which bothers me a lot. This is when I normally start calling everyone scum and failing, so I'm trying to avoid doing that.-
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Parama wrote:Sup. Skimmed.
I see nobody suspects Hrezs except me.
This is either a sign that I'm crazy or that I hit the nail on the head. Probably a combination of both.
Actual reading will come later.
he's on my good lynch list.
Haschel - thanks for reviewing it. I think I found something good. We'll see.-
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