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^So really, Lynch# needs to be normal for number of players, since they can only have ONE vote on any given player at a time.
Vote: Killerjester
Vote: Hiraki
KJ because hiphop's reasoning is sound (RVS or even Pregame doesn't mean you're not held accountable for your actions-- once you have your role PM and start posting, you are playing)
Hiraki because he's lurking scum in the other game I'm in too and he hasn't flipped town or scum there so I don't know whether lurky is town or scum meta for him. Either way, I think it's anti town and pisses me off.Integrity, Pride, Confidence, Anger, and Truth.-
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In post 107, killerjester wrote:In post 103, AurorusVox wrote:Why? Town should lynch the people they find scummy. Therefore, he is not scum.
Yeaaaahh I'm going to go ahead and call this a scumslip.
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Way to buddy.In post 143, Voidedmafia wrote:Hip: Yes, we do seem to be in the same game quite often. Maybe we'll actually win this time, eh? ^_^ (And I won't get lynched D1 <_<).
In post 159, Nobody Special wrote:In post 149, killerjester wrote:
NS: I think you've made your point. Whiskers didn't realize that protoplasm flaked, and Voided was the replacement. In addition to being scummy, I don't think it's likely that Voided is Whiskers's scumpartner. Do you agree?
Never occurred to me; I don't teamhunt on Day One, as it's useless to so do without flips. however, I have not yet ruled out the possibility that Whiskers is scum. Avoiding questions is very, very bad. As is selective reading.
Where have I been selectively reading?
Also, I don't answer stupid questions. For more info, see, "What timezone are you in?"
Just to clear it up, though, I typed out the wrong name-- protoplasm instead of VoidedMafia.-
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It is so not important and I don't feel it has any bearing on the game. However, that's all you're doing, Nopony Special. There's really nothing in this game that you can comment on but "Whiskers, is english your first language?"In post 209, nintendoaddict1 wrote:Okay, I'm not liking how much of a thing NS is making out of the original question.
NS, why is it so important to know if English is Whiskers' first language?
In post 206, AurorusVox wrote:Whiskers, maybe you'll answer my questions:
"Why won't you answer the simple question NS put to you?"
"How did you feel when you drew a scum role?"
"Do you have any comment about my vote for you and/or its implications?"
@Voided, the support was in me saying I agreed. Yes it's not a huge wagon but it implies that he's onto something and his ideas could pick up with other people as the game goes on.
2: Answered above.
3: I love playing scum. I didn't draw a scum role in this game, unfortunately. I know you keep naming the scumteam, on Day 1, with no information and no flips, but just because you're dropping that scumtell over and over and over again doesn't mean I am scum. In fact, I am, indeed, not scum.
4: You're voting me? Um, no, I don't really care. You are so bad. I'm happy to just use Voided's reasoning and I'm a little surprised when the bandwagon hopped over to her. I'd rather comment about that, so here goes:
Changing reads is not a scumtell. When she changed her read to you being scum, it could have changed again in the next page or so. However, your incredible reaction, your flipping tables, your angry, angry responses, look really bad and there's not a good reason for them. Scum keeps their cool? I guess that's wifom, so I'm willing to
Unvote. Unvote.
Vote: Nopony Special
Vote: AuVox.
For focusing on something that isn't a town, scum, or nulltell, just to have something to focus on without doing ANYTHING in the game. Way to go, active lurking.
For Flipping tables when called out.
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^ is that... coaching?
Anyway, Christine, I'm pretty sure the Hikari wagon has dissipated (With only one vote on it-- Friend Mairsil, who hasn't come back in to remove her vote). So, way to not pay attention to anything that's going on in the game.
Nopony Special, my first language is, indeed, English. I don't like giving small details (You'll notice that I won't tell you what timezone I'm in). Where do you think I was selectively reading, now that you can't focus on a stupid little thing? Hmm? I asked you that before, but you never answered me, and it, unlike YOUR question, was related to the game.Integrity, Pride, Confidence, Anger, and Truth.-
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If it WAS directed at me, than,
"Uh if you ask for small details, and you don't want to give them, why should you like do anything then."
I didn't ask for small details. I don't want to give certain, non-game related details. "why should you like do anything then" doesn't give me any information, I don't know what you're asking here, or what you want, or what you're trying to tell me.
I'm gonna be hypocrtical here, though, because I have to ask-- Hiraki, is Englishyourfirst language? Or, maybe a better way of putting it would be,
"Hirkai, Are you being intentionally confusing? Why!?"
Some of your posts are strings of words that don't mean anything.Integrity, Pride, Confidence, Anger, and Truth.-
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So, "selective reading" in all of... one, maybe two, posts? I still haven't bothered to go back and check why I thought you were changing your votes-- I'll look into it shortly. As for the second one, I explained-- I messed up. Problem solved. Not satisfied? It's the same playerslot. You all knew who I was talking to.
Oh MAN! As for questions, if you or I can come up with a suitable explanation, I'll likely answer it. This one, for example.
Better yet, with the pressure from the other players, this little queston has become a major event, something that you had to push and push, and it kept you from any other scumhunting.
Frankly, I don't think your explanation was adequate.
To conclude, I will sum up your case on me:
Initial refusal to answer a question (which, as it turns out WASveryuseful-- it allowed you to justify the weak read you have on me!)
A single typo (which you seem to be reading a lot into, even when you said my Other posts don't display signs of selective reading). And,
The bit at the beginning, which, from my point of view, is the only legitimate point you make. I don't know what happened here, so I'll look into it.
You've blown the question bit far bigger than is reasonable.
For the record, I will also not tell you where I live, my gender, my race. No information about my age. No Social Security numbers, no street addresses, no names. Look. I'm a player of this game on the internet. If I do something scummy, point it out. Say, 'hey, this thing you did was scummy.' Maybe even place a vote on me for it. But there's no need to entierly stop all scumhunting. What would you have done if I were Not a fluent Englicist? Would you have taken that minor typo and just brushed it aside?Integrity, Pride, Confidence, Anger, and Truth.-
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Oh my GOD, why are you so bad?
Vox, nintendo was pointing out that you only get ONE double lynch. That's flailing? Yeah, because it's CERTAINLY better to use our ONE double lynch when we have the LEAST information.
Why the hell do you want to lynch nin, voided, or me?
As much as I hate to do it Day 1, I'm gonna put down my bets and call the scumteam (or at least part of it) where my votes are. I'm not sure, but that's where my money is.Integrity, Pride, Confidence, Anger, and Truth.-
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Okay, well, let me suggest you reinterpret. The way I understand is, we get One Double-Lunch, and THEN it works exactly the way you stated above, the rest of the game.
But that first time we have a double-hammer, we get a double lynch.
I plan not to allow a double hammer if I can help it.Integrity, Pride, Confidence, Anger, and Truth.-
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Hey AV, when have you ever brought up a 1-v-1?
I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do, but I'll gladly take you on, since you're scum and I'm not.
Also, town 1v1? is that town-on-town?
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Also, why setup mislynched? And why say it like that, like you're going to flip town? I will not buy into your wifom. You're not even displaying it kindly. You're doing something scummy that has no motiviation for scum, but if you're going to play the game this way, I will upport your lynch.
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"For towns 1v1s are a great deal."
What?
Also, I'm pretty sure I AM supporting your lynch. Am I somehow Not supporting your lynch? I meant to be.
Unvote, unvote.
Vote: Nopony Special
Vote: AuVox
Whoa, dejavu. Because, I unvoted my votes and then voted for the exact same players.Integrity, Pride, Confidence, Anger, and Truth.-
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Yeah, great. That's why we trade power roles, out the cop with a guilty to catch a mafia.
But I am town. I don't know ifyouare town. I don'tthinkyou are town. I don't think you are townso muchthat I want you lynched.
You claim to be town. You also have a long list of other players that you'd be happy to go out with-- all townies, I presume.
If you are town, then your going out with me will not service nor benefit the town in any way.
As for, "I will support your lynch," I mean, I don't see scum motivation in your bullshit (except for townpoints and a last chance at being saved, perhaps), but I will push for your lynch because I think you're using wifom or... something.Integrity, Pride, Confidence, Anger, and Truth.-
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I don't know what the something was. I was late for class and ran there after posting that. HOWEVER. I am back. Give me a bit, I'll turn off my music and think about it.
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Nope, look. Just because I can't see scum motivation in his bullshit, It doesn't make me think he's not scum. It makes me question my read. I do a double-take. And all I can figure is that that's the point. You're using... reverse psychology? Wifom, I guess. But I don't trust you and I won't fall for it. When you say, "Double-lynch ME, AND somepony else!" I can see the motivation being there for dumbtown, but not for scum. So,There'sthe motivation-- to look like dumbtown, play to that meta later.
Now, your whole thing where you're changing your playstyle.
"Oh man, I'm trying this great new approach, but I don't know if it's great yet. Also, I hate to sacrifice myself, because I'm using this great new approach, but if I have to sacrifice myself to catch scum, that's what I'll do. Even though the sacrifice of me has no bearing on whether or not I catch scum, and I might not catch scum anyway (because I don't know how effective this great new approach is)."
By the way, do you have a case on me? On us? I'm hoping you flip scum mainly because I'd like to add these two to my list of probclears. I've been on a scum team when somepony else calls it Day 1. I don't fight it, I ignore it. I've seen what happens when a townie calls a scumteam, and sir,you do not have it.I know this for a fact because I am, IN fact, Not scum, and therefore, not part of Any scumteam.
Give me your case.
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Sorry, not a random vote, but a silly vote.
RVS is something we've made up, it doesn't actually have to contain random votes. Many times, These "random" votes have reasoning behind them, which may or may not be related directly to the game. In this case, it waspre-game. Is this the point before we even got our Role PMs?
If it was before we got role PMs, then the whole case is void. I've been treating it otherwise.
In Anycase, it was not a serious vote. Maybe not a random vote, but not a serious one. Random is the term we use, because Random Voting Stage is the term we've labeled the part before we get into the meat of the game.
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In post 327, Friend Mairsil wrote:yeah i would support it. seeing as we only get one in the game, i feel its best if we use it early to get rid of the option of scum using it in the later rounds.
WHAT.
REALLY.
ARE YOU SHITTING ME?
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His case on you is that you put a vote on before the game that looked like a serious vote.
However, since it was before the game (therefore not slowing down the game), it was a pointless vote.
Here's the final defense:
Accusation: NA had a valid reason to vote for kj in the Pregame, but didn't vote for him when the game started.
Defense: kj didn't continue doing the scummy thing NA had a valid reason to vote for him for after the game started. Therefore, the reason was no longer valid.Integrity, Pride, Confidence, Anger, and Truth.-
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In post 331, killerjester wrote:Maybe it's reverse psychology, but AVox seems way too eager to lynch himself when there's a very strong possibility that it will happen - with the double hammer. I'm really doubting that scum would support the 1 for 1 idea in this situation, and it definitely seems to come from a town perspective.
Here's why a scum going down would love a 1-v-1 situ:
# Scum is going down, will be lynched anyway.
# 1-v-1 will cause a mislynch, bringing down not only a scum (already going down), but also a townie.
# We lose our one and only Double-Lynch.
Now, why would he press so hard to get us to use it Day 1?
# He's already going down.
# Town has the least information and can't study flips and must decide who to double-lynch with the GREATEST amount of uncertainty all game, and therefore:
# We won't be able to use it when the scum talk themselves into corners and are caught
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Is malpascp ripe for replacement yet?
Killer, weren't you scum too?
Maybe that was another game... I'm having a tiny bit of trouble keeping them all straight.
For example, I really don't remember why I'm voting for AuVox. i remember t was something good, but...
On the note of ponies who are missing, and ponies who I am voting for, where is Nopony Special? Came under heat so decided to lay low for a while? Or what?Integrity, Pride, Confidence, Anger, and Truth.-
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In post 223, Nobody Special wrote:FoS: nintendoaddict
And, nintendo, don't twist my words. It's the arrogance, and the avoidance of a simple question that makes me think she's scum.
This (twisting your words) and being stupid about the rules makes NA scum.
Me refusing to answer your question makes me scum.
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I am a VT,
Nopony Special, what did it say in your Role PM? Did it say, "Vanilla Townie"? Because mine didn't.
My top pick is AuVox. He was my top pick, then as his activity fizzled, he became less and less in the front of my mind. Lurking promotes survival, survival is pro-scum.
My secondary vote is on Nopony Special, as he flipped tables over a temporary vote on him.Integrity, Pride, Confidence, Anger, and Truth.-
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Okay.
Unvote: Nopony Special
Vote: Friend Maresil
Consider it a combination of an OMGUS and a vote that won't lynch. I'm putting it there because it has to be somewhere.
And no, Rainbow Dash, I was NOT popcorning AV. I was popcorning NS again, technically. Instead, I'll popcorn Hikari or Nintendo Addict, whomever comes on first (or rather, complies first, since I have the feeling Hikari will be a dick and refuse to play the game some more).Integrity, Pride, Confidence, Anger, and Truth.-
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I'll react by saying I wish I wasn't a placeholder, as I've already got a big wagon on me.
--Then again, I think you were already on that wagon, so nothing changed.
Still, I don't like, say, Friend Maresil's "placeholder vote" on me either, since I feel I'm in danger of being lynched.
Also, for the record, IDidn'tlook at the setup. That's in the first post or so, right?Integrity, Pride, Confidence, Anger, and Truth.-
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In post 307, Friend Mairsil wrote:after re-reading this entire thing im with nintendo on this one. also i dont like how AV is pushing against him for a misrepresentation of an ADHOM. (btw whats this accronym. i mean i know what it means, i just dont know what it means...you feel me?)
VOTE AurorusVox & Whiskerssorry whisk i needed another name/shrugs
In post 409, Friend Mairsil wrote:@AV , cuz both of you are playing the same game. for lack of a better way of saying it. in my experience when people get into the type of argument you and NIN did one tends to be scum.i voted whiskers because she was defending NIN. now if either of you flip scum, then i know exactly who im going after tomorrow. if neither of you flip scum then again i know who im gonna go after.
so i guess to answer your question a bit better, yes im useless today. tomorrow when more information is revealed will be the day that i can play with some certainty-
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In post 414, Voidedmafia wrote:We meet again, RD.
Also, my top pick is Vox, and it hasn't really moved since I put it
As for the massclaim, I can kinda see how it'd mess up scum, since its so jarring and they'll probably have to start scrambling to get themselves prepared to fakeclaim. You always start out strong, don't you, RD?
Unpopcorn: Nintendo Addict & Hikari.
Popcorn: VoidedMafia & Friend Maresil.
Friend because I want hers. (Just like Hiraki)
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So much is wrong here.
you vote me because I defended Nintendo. I don't think he's scum. I think the thing on him is out of proportion. I think his attackers are scummy for attacking him.In post 425, Friend Mairsil wrote:@whiskers - my place holder vote was a reasoned vote as explained in-between those two posts (post 323.) the reasoning simply wasnt stated in the original post as it really wasnt needed, but was asked for. why didnt you quote that one? hmmm.... this doesnt bold (is this the right word, or am i misspelling it? cuz i feel like i am, but dont wanna go out and find out) well for you dear. i mean seriously with every post you make i tend to agree with AVox more and more. (read post #330 for clarification of my last statement).
Also, bode.
In post 330, AurorusVox wrote:It's pretty obvious that one of us is scum and one of us is town.
So really we both should swing today.
I'm town so it's better for us if just you and your buddy Nintendo are lynched but a 1 for 1 is still good enough for me.
This? You agree with him on this? That either he or I is scum, and the other town? I'm not sure of that at all. That's not obvious. Ever heard of Town verses Town?
Since you're voting for me, I asusme you (currently) think I'm scum.
If I was lynched, and I flip town, would you immediately try to push a AurorusVox lynch?
That's what I thought.
Wrong; I don't have a case because I haven't bothered to build one.Friend Maresil wrote:oh and you dont have a case cuz im not scum. duh. if i was im pretty sure id be laying low, like Hiraki low, or be really trying to lynch someone by now using perfectly logically reasons. while i do realize this is WIFOM talk its true to my meta; and since im talking about how i play, most of my past games can be found here....http://www.magicdeckvortex.com/forum/fo ... p?43-Mafia choose any game besides the second to last one and im in it
If lawing low is scummy, like, Hiraki low, then why aren't you voting for Hiraki?
You're not trying to lynch useing "perfectly logical reasons"?
Also, I want to say you're pretty easily active lurking, but I'll have to look more closely for that.
Next: Self meta? Cool story, bro.
Friend Maresil wrote:@rainbow - how am i scum? please do explain and make a case. i mean your statement seems like your sure. so why not tell the class why exactly. oh and BTW i dont like that fact that your ok with our cop and one goon being offed plan. its flawed, and only benefits scum.
Why not? How does it "only benefit scum"? AurorusVox wants to trade one townie for one scum. Why not trade on e Power Role Townie for one Scum? Still benefits town, right? In that case, we can KNOW one of them is scum-- Cop with guilty outs, trading Cop for scum, benefitting town. In AVox's case, either he is scum and knows I am town, or he is town and doesn't know I am town (thinks I'm scum). So he MIGHT trade 1 scum for 1 town, or he might trade 1 town for 1 town.
Rainbow Dash's version is about 20% cooler.Integrity, Pride, Confidence, Anger, and Truth.-
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In post 432, Rainbowdash wrote:@Whiskers - When did you realize this was an open setup?
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In post 442, AurorusVox wrote:In post 426, Whiskers wrote:Ever heard of Town verses Town?
You obviously agree me, cf. your vote on me. Why are you scolding him for not thinking of TvT when you yourself don't think its true?
What does this mean? "cf."? Also, I think IHAVEthought of TvT, but I don't know your alignment. I think it's scummy to push for the double lynch unless you KNOW somepony is scum. If you are town, you don't. So I'm not pushing the doulbe lynch right now, I'm pushing you to STOP IT, since you can't have any way of knowing that you're trading TvS. Wait until we get a cop report or something.
In post 431, Nobody Special wrote:Can you show me where I said that?
In post 396, Nobody Special wrote:I mean, seriously, you're gonna get 12 claims of VT. And then wherre will be be? It's not like there ARE any other roles aside from VT and Goon.
Did you even read the setup?
Top vote would be Whiskers I guess.-
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In post 439, Rainbowdash wrote:In post 437, Whiskers wrote:In post 432, Rainbowdash wrote:@Whiskers - When did you realize this was an open setup?
When he quoted it, nnnnngh....
You seem pretty convinced that there was no cop earlier in the game though. What was up with that then?
@NS - Im obviously going to disagree, what should be 12 straight "vanilla town" posts is not meaningless busywork. Infact you already saw that it had potential to catch a few ponies who werent paying attention. Still pretty sure this is you being scum or you just not liking my tactic because it goes against everything that gets engrained in our minds from early on.
When? I ctrl+f'd my iso and the first time I said cop was recently, when I was trading blows with AurorusVox.Integrity, Pride, Confidence, Anger, and Truth.-
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Vote count (Edited from #424)
AurorusVox - 4 (Voidedmafia, Whiskers, Friend Marisil, nintendoaddict1)
Voidedmafia - 3 (Hiraki, Alnara, killerjester)
nintendoaddict1 - 5 (AurorusVox, killerjester, Voidedmafia, Rainbowdash, Christine)
Christine
robotnik2 - 1 (Hiraki)
killerjester
Friend Mairsil - 1 (Whiskers)
Hiraki - Rainbowdash
Alnara
Whiskers - 3 (AurorusVox, Nobody Special, Friend Marisil)
Rainbowdash - 2 (Alnara, Nobody Special)
Nobody Special - 2 (nintendoaddict1, Christine)
Not voting - robotnik2
nintendoaddict1 is -2
Hiraki, stop being a useless piece of shit all day, and try and play all these games. K?
Can we prod robotnik2, please?Integrity, Pride, Confidence, Anger, and Truth.-
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Sure. It keeps you from going, "Oh, well, the player IREALLYwanted to lynch was [other vote]."
It lets us more easily analyze a wagon. It lets us look at the votes later and say, "Oh, this player had her secondary vote on X all day, but never really made a case on him and never wanted to lynch him. Could this be distancing!?"Integrity, Pride, Confidence, Anger, and Truth.-
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