Hiraki is always scum.
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I'm remembering the only other game I played with you, when you were a complete asshat, and how you continue to disrespect the mod of that game by listing it with an asterisk in your wiki page, and blaming your total failure as a Town on a minor mod mistake.
Parama's an excellent player, both as an opponent and as an ally, so despite you meaning that as an insult, I'll take it as high praise."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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In post 35, sorgster wrote:Where's the link to the game? Also, mods can make mistakes. They're human. They may have inferred it as that. Scum still could have(and probably would have) won if the game was based on the result of one night kill.
@sorgster: It came down to a 2v1 endgame that I easily won. I'd have survived a 3v1 endgame just the same. Mod processed a clear intent to kill a specific person during our Mafia chat because we forgot to take our anti-stupid pills that day and miscommunicated about who was officially submitting it. beck is pouting over a technicality which likely would not have changed the outcome."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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I brought up my experience with you being an arrogant, useless, and intolerable player, which led into WHY I thought you were such.
At no point was there any serious suggestion of PLing you. You'll note my vote has not moved off of Hirakiscum."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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That's a lynch I can get behind, SV. Thus far, I've seen only aggression and distraction tactics coming out of Beck, and pushing for a nonsensical early wagon on zdenek. I don't get the case on zdenek AT ALL, I've always enjoyed playing with him.
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In post 92, Beck wrote:Pine The only thing aggressive from me is my scum hunting and i haven't distracted anyone. As for the case on zde, usually when people dont understand things, they would typically ask questions to try and understand. Clearly you have no interest in finding out the reasons or you would have asked about it already.
I don't like slandar's constant attempt to diffuse a wagon on zde, wagons are useful, this one is turning out to be useful.
What scumhunting? Please point out where you have done ANY. The case on zdenek doesn't count, because it's absolutely bullshit. Quit inflating your own usefulness.
@Slandaar: Not understanding a case isn't scummy, it's NOT UNDERSTANDING. And understood the acctual case just fine, I just find it completely weaksauce, and am at a loss to understand how it has built a wagon. Also, Jesters are verboten in Normal games."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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In post 110, sorgster wrote:In post 107, Pine wrote:In post 92, Beck wrote:Pine The only thing aggressive from me is my scum hunting and i haven't distracted anyone. As for the case on zde, usually when people dont understand things, they would typically ask questions to try and understand. Clearly you have no interest in finding out the reasons or you would have asked about it already.
I don't like slandar's constant attempt to diffuse a wagon on zde, wagons are useful, this one is turning out to be useful.
What scumhunting? Please point out where you have done ANY. The case on zdenek doesn't count, because it's absolutely bullshit. Quit inflating your own usefulness.
@Slandaar: Not understanding a case isn't scummy, it's NOT UNDERSTANDING. And understood the acctual case just fine, I just find it completely weaksauce, and am at a loss to understand how it has built a wagon. Also, Jesters are verboten in Normal games.
Case on zdenek makes a lot of sense.
1.He goes for a serious policy lynch, tries backing it up, then says it was a joke
2.He immediately backs away from it after some pressure starts building up on him.
Case on Beck
My last post showed that his attack on zdenek about policy lynches was bad as he said he would do them himself if a certain person was playing.
This is the only reasonably convincing post I've seen against zdenek. Thank you, sorgster.
In post 115, Sky wrote:UNVOTE: SodaSpirit17
VOTE: Revenus
Town lists are awful. You know who likes finding town? Scum. This is always a red flag for me when someone looks for town over scum.
Incorrect. Town lists can be extremely useful as a way to use the process of elimination to catch scum that are on their game. If you can eliminate people from suspicion, you can focus your efforts on the remaining players.
What you're thinking of is PR-hunting. Town-hunting and PR-hunting look similar to the lazy eye, but they are quite different."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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I'm going to tentatively label that a derpTown-slip. NewScum doesn't think like that, NewTown does - NewScum are part of the informed minority, and don't generally care think of or care about that sort of thing."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Pay attention, ZeL1nK. Proposing a PL and backing off from it isn't what I acknowledged as a good point. By itself, that's nothing. It's the wishy-washy method he used to defend it, then abandon it, then tried to deflect attention from it that carries weight.
I'm enough of an adult to admit that my vote on Beck is partially inspired by my personal dislike of him, and my previous bad experience with him. It is, however, based on his unduly-aggressive, myopic attacks out of thin air, and the lack of scumhunting he's done. There's a lot of fluff in Beck's posts, and he's quite good at spinning his wheels to give the illusion of doing something while actually riding the coattails of others' cases. It's not an especially strong case, but we're still quite early in the game."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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I'm on the fence. I find his actions suspicious, but I don't haveanyreally solid reads yet. That's what the post-RVS phase of the game is about. Taking your minor leads and putting pressure on the suspect to investigate them."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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@Beck: I've been a dick. I'll back off on the personal nonsense if you will.
@Slandaar: How is that "calling myself Town"? Town scumhunts, Scum scumhunts, even third party scumhunts. The only people that don't are people too wrapped up in themselves to do it.
@ThAd: Eh, it isn't a strong case. I don't really see any strong cases yet...I'm starting to think all or most of the scum are amongst the very, very quiet half of the players. It is, however, a pressure vote, seeing if he'll panic and make mistakes that'll give us decent information."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Overly and unduly aggressive play can be seen in a scummy light, as it can be indicative of overcompensation; at this point of the game there's jack all that is solid enough to go after with the aggression you've shown.
I'm interested in a truce here, Beck. Your case on me is crap, as is mine on you. Both are fueled primarily from irritation and OMGUS, and picking every little thing an antagonist says apart. We're wasting a lot of time on each other, and playing right into the "but you're only focusing on me" argument. Walk away from your antagonism against me, and come back to it in a day or so. It doesn't really hold water. I fully intend to heed my own advice in this matter.
In post 150, Slandaar wrote:In post 148, Pine wrote:
@Slandaar: How is that "calling myself Town"? Town scumhunts, Scum scumhunts, even third party scumhunts. The only people that don't are people too wrapped up in themselves to do it.
Scum dont scumhunt, they pretend to scumhunt, you cant genuinely scumhunt when you know who the scum are already.
Scumhunting implies town.
This is WIFOM. The above quote damns me in either direction; on one hand I could respond directly and explain how I feel I've been scumhunting, implying (not outright stating) that I am Town, and you "catch me" labeling myself again. On the other, I deny the tacit accusation, and "admit" to not scumhunting. This is an example of early confirmation bias on your part; you've already decided how you want to view me, so you don't actually engage in argument and investigation, you just blather seemingly-clever lines like the above and then go "Aha!"
Also, scum DO "scum"hunt. Speaking from plentiful experience as a member of mafias past, in these large games, the number one concern on their minds is hunting for slips and evidence of third party threats, an opposing team, and Town PRs. If you're going to try to claim that wise scum just sit back and observe, you're just flat out wrong. Good scum are hunting just the same as Town, and they're looking for many of the same things. They damn well don't "pretend" until they see flips confirming them to be in the clear. Which certainly doesn't happen on D1."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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The case was (and is) crap, because it was poorly explained. When elaborated upon, I saw what was being pointed out, and the actions were suspicious. The two statements are not mutually exclusive.
An example of undue aggression? The way you keep hammering at me again and again without changing your rhetoric or making any attempt to have a two-sided conversation. Please stop flooding the thread with the same things over and over again. I will concede any remaining points you have against me, and leave it to the other twenty players to decide. Let's move on."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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In post 183, Beck wrote:I still want pine to respond to my request, but I think bvoight was on to something.
vote: Funkybike
Almost your entire ISO is evidence of your aggressive tendencies. I'm not going to spend half an hour or more rummaging through your posts to pick the ten most asinine things you've done. Most people that have commented thus far have agreed that you're extremely aggressive. Accept it.
In post 190, Revenus wrote:Rofl, yeah, you found 4 scum when almost half the game has barely posted, you are a mafia god.
Sarcasm, dude. SV was mocking Slandaar, Beck, and the other twits who think they have rock-solid cases already.
In post 191, iamausername wrote:In post 164, theamatuer wrote:One of beck/pine is probably scum. Of course, considering Beck's record, he's probably caught another townie again >.>
Also David? You'd probably find a lot of similarities with rev.
This post is the scummiest post in the game.
In post 176, theamatuer wrote:Basically, both people used rather weak reasons to attack the other, which is kinda acceptable considering theres only 7 pages, but the fact that this happens at 7 pages is kinda suspicious.
A possibility is that beck attacked Pine, who is scum, for weak reasoning, and that Pine reacted and starting attacking Beck in retaliation.
Of course, there really isn't anything I can see that currently puts one on top of the other in terms of scumminess, so I'll just
fos: beck and Pine
I'll probably change one to a vote when a majority appears on one or if one turns scummier than the other.
pedit: just saying, but considering curfews, I wont be active at all on weekdays. I could probably crank out a few posts, but It'll have to take the weekends to start posting as much as i want to.
ppedit: wth. invalid form
Wait, no, it's this one.
UNVOTE: DavidParker
VOTE: theamateur
This is a very good point. Also note the opportunism that theamateur has been displaying.
In post 192, Beck wrote:I'm good and pissed now, if pine and crackhead viewpoint don't explain why both of my cases are wrong (and actually can explain the town motivation behind their play) I'll push on these 2 mofos for the remainder of the game
This is an example of bad gameplay, regardless of alignment.
Beck, your cases are simply weak. There aren't really holes, per se, they just aren't nearly as significant as you keep making them out to be. You make mountains out of molehills, and react to every attack on you with personal fervor.
I'm really starting to have a hard time seeing you as scum at this point. I don't think you'd be this dumb as scum.
In post 197, Beck wrote:Oh, almost forgot
vote: shattered aka crackhead
Arrogance like yours is unfucking necessary.
This is also bad gameplay, regardless of alignment. Oh, and a superb example of your unnecessary aggression. Your case on SV amounts to "Oh my God, you suck! You don't agree with me, and then YOU VOTED FOR ME! I'm going to concoct an insulting nickname for you, and then vote you! Not for a good reason, but because you voted for me first!"
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I would like to ask people to stop voting for Beck. He's not worth a mislynch. He's vig/SK bait."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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EBWOP: There's been like four dense pages since I last posted, and people have asked me a lot of questions and such. I ignored some of the stupider ones intentionally, but if I missed yours, feel free to ask again. I've had a long, rough day and these things happen.
@theamateur: In these large Normal games, the vig often doesn't have the confidence to shoot solid scum targets on N1. The vig's duty is often to kill the biggest detriment to the Town on N1 and sometimes N2. These 20+ person games always have one or two. Shooting VIs is pro-Town. Wasting a lynch on them when they may be Town is bad play."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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He was being sarcastic.
You are distracting the entire group with your attitude that the world revolves around you, your brash insistence that you can't be wrong, and your fluff-ridden excessively prolific posting. This would be okay if you were making good cases and points, but you're really not. You're solely engaging in petty arguments, name-calling, and worse, you're drawing others into it. Whether or not you are willing to believe this, you're being remarkably anti-Town without even trying to be.
PE: Your last, 100% unnecessary and conceited post, illustrates my point better than I ever could."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Kind of at a loss as to who to vote for...I'm maintaining that all or most of our scum are probably hiding in the quiet half of the player list, and I don't have enough solid evidence on any of them. Meh.
PE: Okay, I reviewed the ISOs of all of our lurkers, and I like popsofctown's the least. It reeks of active lurking. I want to at least hear more out of you.
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I'm sorry, Funky is scummy? Based on what? He's got three posts and no content to analyze. What, exactly, makes him more or less scummy than ANYONE? That's one step removed from calling someone with no posts scummy.
Theamateur's ISO reeks of newbscum. I'll back a lynch on him."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Need Hiraki case first.
Actually, pure meta case: This lurking and reasonable attitude are not what I associate with Town-Hiraki. It's not exactly what I think of when I reflect on scum-Hiraki either, but it's certainly odd. Not enough to go on, but certainly enough to warrant the pressure you're exerting."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Super, nothing new happened today. Literally, nothing was said that advances the thread in any way. No new case was presented, lurkers continue to lurk, self-obsessed morons continue to be self-obsessed and rehash the same weaksauce arguments without improving or expanding them, and troll-prone players continue to give in to their baser instincts (I'm looking at you, Hiraki).
Please stop discussing Mafia theory. This "Town list" conversation needs to die or be taken to another thread, as it is allowing a number of people to seem active and useful without actually contributing. It is IRRELEVANT to the current game, and most people who are fervently arguing it are simply wrong. Read some Mafia Discussion articles or the wiki for Cthlulu's sake."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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In post 333, ScreamingHawk wrote:VOTE: Beck
Because he has no friends.
I don't need to be posting. My opinion isn't going to make a difference with these terrible arguments.
I don't think scum would intentionally post this badly. Only Town will care this little.
Stop being failTown. Ignore the petty arguments and present your OWN thoughts. Don't kowtow to the attention whores, be your own dude."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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@Slaandar: Seriously? It was explicitly stated in the below post. I don't think scum are likely to say what he did. It's not a 100% clear, but for the purposes of narrowing down a D1 lynch, it is sufficient. Pay the fuck attention.
In post 335, Pine wrote:In post 333, ScreamingHawk wrote:VOTE: Beck
Because he has no friends.
I don't need to be posting. My opinion isn't going to make a difference with these terrible arguments.
I don't think scum would intentionally post this badly. Only Town will care this little.
Stop being failTown. Ignore the petty arguments and present your OWN thoughts. Don't kowtow to the attention whores, be your own dude."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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I think I have enough partial reads (like the above concerning Hawk and Zel1nk) to do a bit of process of elimination for D1. Entries I felt were significant or warrant special attention are increased in size.
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15.Pine: I've read my role PM.
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14.Revenus: Finally, someone I have a solidly positive read on. I'm willing to go out on a limb and state that I find the cases and votes on Revenus to be without merit. Rev and I been on similar wavelengths (his words) all game, which to me indicates that he is processing things in an uninformed, reasoning, deductive manner. While his scumhunting is not as effective as I would desire, he is absolutely trying. Effectiveness is bred from experience, Rev, and you're doing well.
16.slandaar: Surprised to see one of my most dogged critics in this category? I'm not. I find stubborn confirmation bias to be an extremely Towny trait. I find his reasoning to be flawed in several instances, and disagree with him in others, but his tenacity for scumhunting is genuine, and damn it, he's trying hard. Boffo.
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01.sorgster: Seems to have a one-track mind concerning Zdenek. Has provided some reasonable analysis, and seems to be trying despite poor quantity of content. Can live for today but needs to be looked at harder.
07.ZeL1nK: Poor content, amateurish insistence of being obvTown, but seems to be trying and recently displayed thought processes bearing a Towny hallmark. Might be feigned, needs more investigation, but is acceptable for now.
10.ScreamingHawk: Scum lurk, but don't announce that that's what they're doing. Town, however, may feel lost and despair. This is what I see out of Hawk lately. Hardly reliable, but sufficient for D1.
20.iamausername: Dire lack of posts, but most of them have been chock full of meaty and nutritious content, sweetened with analysis. More please.
22.bvoigt: A look at his ISO makes me utter a hearty "meh". He's contributed, but not especially thoughtfully. His conclusions are somewhat similar to my own, so I'll give him a D1 pass. The biggest impression I get is that of someone who is busy, and not giving this game his full attention. Come to think of it, that makes me lean toward the Townier side of Neutral. More please.
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02.ThAdmiral: Low amount of content. Additionally, my respect for his abilities is sufficient to counterbalance the slightly Towny vibe I have from him. I absolutely want more out of you, regardless of alignment. If Town, because I like what you have to say. If scum, so I can nail you to a wall. Plzkthx.
05.SodaSpirit17: Four or five posts, nothing with significant content.
06.sword_of_omens: Nothing since a contentless RVS post. Has presumably flaked.
07.Primate: One solitary post promising to catch up two days ago. We're waiting.
11.Jackal711: Has not posted at all. Likely flaked, though he picked up his role PM (DamnFail was immediately replaced when he failed to pick up his role, so we know Jackal did receive it.)
17.funkybike1: Insufficient data. Needs to post more.
Scummy Side of Neutral
03.DavidParker: Poor post count, poor content, poor analysis, and an inability to see past himself and his attackers. This is scummy, but mostly just bad play, regardless of alignment. Improve content, please.
09.Shattered Viewpoint: I'd actually put SV in the "Towny Side of Neutral" category at first, based on a positive image gut reaction to him, and likely based on the fact that he's agreed with me a number of times. I was even toying with having him be the first in my "Maybe Town" category. However, I diligently ISO'd him (as I have for every entry in this analysis) and discovered "HEY! There's no actual content here!" So I put him in the "Insufficient Data" category. Then I continued the line of thinking that started when I noticed his lack of content. A total lack of content, accusations sans explanation aside, from someone who isclearlypaying attention to the game and posting semi-regularly is downright scummy.
18.Hiraki: Recently graduating from the "Insufficient Data" class, I think there's enough information to make a (purely meta) case here. Hiraki isnotmaking a good enough showing, or following up on his aggressive tendancies for me to consider him Town. A good example of his aggressive-Town play is There Will Be Bloodshed (New York 128, I think). I can't think of a good example of Hiraki-scum, but I recall this aptitude for trolling to be part of his scum meta. This isn't a conclusive case, but definitely something I'm going to continue monitoring.
19.Sky: Initially in "Insufficient Data" for lack of posting, but as recently noted, every post he's made has either been RVS or off-topic. Suspicious, kind of belongs in both categories.
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04.theamatuer: Aptly named. Opportunistic in the extreme...jumps on me, jumps on zdenek, jumps on Beck when the conversation turns, then abandons that failing wagon to pick on a flaking lurker, while providing no case or analysis on...anyone. Reeks of newbScum, and will likely end up being my #1 choice for our first lynch.
12.Zdenek: Promoted from "Scummy Side of Neutral" as of this post. Proposed PL, backed off, said it was a joke, then said it was a gambit, then a joke again, and has provided zero content while active lurking. 323 is particularly suspicious, in that he provides two very different reasons for the same action in the same post. I find it laughable that his only content, and the only contentregardinghim, revolves around an RVS post. If he were to provide some serious, solid content, he could easily improve my opinion. Right now, he's a solid second tier candidate for a lynch.
13.popsofctown: As Zel1nk recently stated, king of IIOA. The only analysis-based post I could find was an early-RVS defense of zdenek's worthless PL suggestion...a position he promptly reversed. Was also at the heart of the off-topic discussion about Town lists, in which he proved that "Hey, I can be active instead of lurking!" only to promptly vanish when the off-topic conversation died.
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21.Beck: I struggled with where to put Beck. Frankly, he simply doesn't fit in any of my other categories. I find him more likely than even odds to be Town, but I still encourage our Vig/SK to put him out ofhisour misery. Succinctly put, his self-centered and obnoxious attitude combined with his propensity for prolific posting is a detriment to the Town and a haven for active lurkers."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Look, dude, I agree that you givesomeindications that youmightbe Town, and am even willing to gamble on it to the point of going out on a limb to say so, but you are NOT obviously Town. The ONLY person that can be certain of your alignment at this point is YOU and your budd(ies) if you are a Mason or Mafia. So KNOCK IT OFF. It isn't funny, and it makes you look bad. When you look bad, your opinions don't get heard. So stay on topic and quit being a prat."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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And yet, this...
In post 26, funkybike1 wrote:In that case, shouldn't you unvote?
...was enough to convince you that Funky WAS a good lynch? That's Funky's ENTIRE ISO. Funky is a lurker, and nothing he's said so far is even a tiny bit inherently scummy. You're either scum or a derp to keep pushing this.
PE: The above applies to Soda as well. Provide some content, Soda. Also, calling Soda scummy while lambasting the thought of a lurker lynch is straight-up hypocrisy, Zdenek. I expect better out of you, and it comes off as desperately trying to shift attention off of yourself while looking productive. It's not working."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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In post 357, Beck wrote:Pine hasn't contributed anything useful to this game...
This is a premium example of your confirmation bias-ridden, tunnel-visioned, no-one's-opinion-but-mine-matters attitude. REGARDLESS of my alignment, I've added a TON of things to the game. I've provided extremely detailed information on my reads of every single player (compared to your own focus on three or four players), frequentof new information (something you rarely do), make leaps of logic based on sound principles, and at the very least, I've been an open book, completely explaining my reasoning and thoughts on everything I've done and said.analysis
In comparison, you have held onto your early laurels of building shoddy RVS cases on two people, whined incessantly that no one will answer the same old questions to your satisfaction despite numerous attempts to do so, gone out of your way to insult and demean almost every player, gone after inactive players, started arguments over nothing, gone off-topic, obnoxiously spammed the thread (the above being a reasonable example though hardly the worst of it.)
For you to say that I've contributednothing usefulto the game indicates that you Are. Not. Taking. This. Seriously. You're either derpScum or failTown. Either way, I'm done with you. I will not be responding to you or reacting to you in any way unless a major paradigm shift occurs in your style of gameplay. Good bye, Beck.
PE: Funkybike, you absolutely have to provide more than hopping onto a growing wagon without providing independent reasons. Start with your top suspects, include reasoning that doesn't look like you quoted someone and removed the tags, and go from there."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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I do not support a D1 policy lynch (call a spade a spade) on Beck whatsoever. Scum won't kill him, so I'll leave it to the vig. If he survives the night, we can talk about a PL tomorrow.
Hell, if we can all just decide to enact a full embargo on him (and we're getting there) I could see just leaving him and ignoring the hell out of him en masse. My stress in this thread plummetted since I started literally skipping his posts.
Revenus is shaking my confidence in him over the last page or so. Nothing damning, but this fresh round of criticisms has some merit."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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In post 437, Zdenek wrote:In post 436, popsofctown wrote:Lynch all Liars. You claimed your first post was a joke because it was beneficial for it to be one.
Unless you can explain what's so humorous about sorgster's play in 1531
I was using the word joke to day that it was not a serious policy lynch.
Do you think that all lies/gambits by town are scummy?
Dude, you CAN'T claim it as a joke AND a gambit. They are NOT the same thing...VERY different, in fact. This statement, and it being the second time you've schizo claimed both in one post, is by far the most damning thing you've done. You give two contradictory reasons for the same action. Genuine actions performed for legitimate reasons do not require such hedging of bets.
In post 449, Zdenek wrote:In post 432, popsofctown wrote:I'm strapped for time I can devote to mafia, so please chill on my activity level.
Re: IioA - I like theory crafting a lot, so I'm naturally predisposed to talk a lot about it since I enjoy it more. That said it is anti-town,
Confession of being anti-town.
Oh what bullshit. He's stating that his style is generally not as beneficial to the Town as intended, not admitting to an anti-Town alignment. Major, major misrep here.
That said, I'm not pops' biggest fan, so carry on.
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Please stop talking about the game that Zdenek and pops played before. It is entirely irrelevant to this game and is off-topic."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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That's not actually a very good example, ThAd. I got lynched D1 for good cause. I screwed up royally. Set's Speed Mafia (Mini 1203) is an excellent example of a scum win where I lurked my ass off (though it was NOT on purpose,) and There Will Be Bloodshed (NY 128?) is a superb example of my more aggressive scum meta, (I and myentirescumteam survived to endgame,) though it was only my second game on-site and IMHO does not accurately reflect my current skill level. NY 130 and 131 are both good examples of a more middle-of-the-road scum strategy I've used, also resulting in a win. Actually, discounting the games I flaked in over the summer, I've got something like a 75% scum win average.
In comparison, Mini 1159 is an example of a more calculating Town win, Mini 1138 is one where I came right out of the gates as a replacement and nailed all of the remaining scum to a wall. NY 129 had a good showing where I was super-aggressive Town, to the point of shoving my reads in everyone's faces and then helping in my own lynch so people would take me seriously when I flipped Town. Even despite that, they still lost the game for me when they ignored my reads, despite my last list being right in 3 out of 4 cases.
Wouldn't want you to lack for meta on me. No, I'm not going to bother actually linking them, I'm too lazy.
PE: I concur, though they can help form an image of how a personthinks. And that's way more important than how they actually play. But yeah, meta should always be thesupportfor a good case, never the case itself. I'm aware that my allegations against Hiraki make the previous statement the heights of hypocrisy, and I'm okay with it."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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In post 440, Revenus wrote:btw i'm going to nightvig you beck
You don't announce that. Doc on Revenus, please."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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I mind. You don't lynch lurkers on D1, they have a 2/3 (roughly) chance of being Town that just happen to be a bit busy. You go with what you've got on D1, and then if lurking continues into D2, you start to call is a pattern and get serious about pressuring them."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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This is starting to stall a bit.
Okay, everyone in your next post, please list your top three or four preferences (not your top one that we've heard about ad nauseum) fortoday'slynch and a sentence or two aboutwhyfor each. Again, preferably in new words an not the same ones you've used before. Rank-ordering is a plus."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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In post 517, theamatuer wrote:In post 516, Slandaar wrote:In post 500, theamatuer wrote:
Pine: one of beck/Pine is scum, and Pine seems the better canidate of the two
Why?
why does one have to be scum?
why cant they both be town?
what has alerted you to the fact one of them HAS to be scum?
I feel that one of them should be scum based on the interaction between Beck and Pine
That possibility could happen, but one of them being scum is way more possible.
And they dont HAVE to be scum, its they SHOULD be scum due to their constant attacking of each other.
The bolded is astunninglogical fallacy. Shit, I don't even know whether that makes him more or less scummy at this point. If I thought he were feigning that kind of illogic, or trying to manipulate others into believing it, then yeah. But if he actually believes that makes sense, that throws a lot of my read off. It's like fencing with an 8-year-old (nerd alert). When fencing a novice adult, an experienced fencer can beat them easily, because adults (or at least those prone to taking up fencing) have been inundated their whole lives with poor examples of the skill. They're predictable and it's easy to get in their head. But children are sometimes the most frustrating opponents, because you don't knowwhatthe fuck they're going to do. Or why. Total wild cards, even if their attacks don't make an ounce of sense, they can catch you off-guard by how ridiculous they are."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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In post 523, Revenus wrote:Fencing's gay.
Seriously though, get an avatar. It makes it a lot easier to pick out your posts when skimming through to find quotes and points you've made, and there's a significant subconscious benefit to having an image to immediately associate with a name.
And Pops, you just can't resist the opportunity to provide a bunch of off-topic content when the chance presents itself, can you? Apply that level of commitment to the actual game, and I wouldn't be as suspicious of you.
Claiming or softclaiming PRs of any kind on D1 (not counting L-1 "claim or die" moments) is a bad idea in most cases, as it unnecessarily gives scum information and insight into your thought processes. A Townie fakeclaiming and even fakesoftclaiming can force a real PR into counterclaiming for a supposed scum kill, resulting in an otherwise innocent Townie being mislynched. Fakeclaiming vig is especially stupid, as it will very often lead to the REAL vig saying "Aha! That's either scum or the SK setting up a vig fakeclaim. I'll shoot him to find out." And we again have a dead fakeclaimer, with the added benefit of a wasted friendly fire shot.
^See? That's all that needed to be said. It isn't a discussion that will eat up half a day and a dozen posts, it's an experienced player takingpartof asinglepost to completely defeat the incorrect idea, explain why, and re-educate. I'm moving on from this off-topic conversation and so should everyone else.
PE: Four more fucking fluff posts about this since I started typing? Shut the fuck up about it, people."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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In post 547, funkybike1 wrote:In post 531, Pine wrote:In post 523, Revenus wrote:Fencing's gay.
Seriously though, get an avatar. It makes it a lot easier to pick out your posts when skimming through to find quotes and points you've made, and there's a significant subconscious benefit to having an image to immediately associate with a name.
And Pops, you just can't resist the opportunity to provide a bunch of off-topic content when the chance presents itself, can you? Apply that level of commitment to the actual game, and I wouldn't be as suspicious of you.
Claiming or softclaiming PRs of any kind on D1 (not counting L-1 "claim or die" moments) is a bad idea in most cases, as it unnecessarily gives scum information and insight into your thought processes. A Townie fakeclaiming and even fakesoftclaiming can force a real PR into counterclaiming for a supposed scum kill, resulting in an otherwise innocent Townie being mislynched. Fakeclaiming vig is especially stupid, as it will very often lead to the REAL vig saying "Aha! That's either scum or the SK setting up a vig fakeclaim. I'll shoot him to find out." And we again have a dead fakeclaimer, with the added benefit of a wasted friendly fire shot.
^See? That's all that needed to be said. It isn't a discussion that will eat up half a day and a dozen posts, it's an experienced player takingpartof asinglepost to completely defeat the incorrect idea, explain why, and re-educate. I'm moving on from this off-topic conversation and so should everyone else.
PE: Four more fucking fluff posts about this since I started typing? Shut the fuck up about it, people.
Keep this post right here in mind.
I lol'd. You can be Town...for now.
I think your wit is lost on at least 75% of the thread, though."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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In post 581, Slandaar wrote:but ThAd is now firmly on my radar after his last post, that post seems really scummy.
I agree with Hiraki (especially) and ThAd moving up the suspect list, but not with this statement. With the exception of including Slandaar, I have no issue with his list, though his lack of reasoning is suspicious, particularly from someone like ThAd."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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^Bad vote. Beck is vigbait, and what you're proposing is a policy lynch. Unless you can come up with a reasonable and thorough case on why he's scum, I won't stand for wasting a lynch on him when a vig bullet makes him just as dead."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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22 people: Probably 5 scum with 2 strong PRs or 3 weak ones, or 6 with 1-2 weak PRs at most. Definitely an SK or some other third party (perhaps Traitor to work with the atypical scum math). Town will have 4-6 PRs depending on strength, with 1 strong or 2 weak (each) investigative and protective. Roleblocker and/or Jailkeeper probably present, vig almost certainly. Backup roles may fill the rest. Good chance of 2-3 Masons or a Neighborhood/Neighborizer."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Rant (from Dictionary.com):
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1. to speak or declaim extravagantly or violently; talk in a wild or vehement way; rave: The demagogue ranted for hours.
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Word Origin: 1598, from Du. randten "talk foolishly, rave," of unknown origin (cf. Ger. rantzen "to frolic, spring about"). The noun is first attested 1649, from the verb."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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In post 608, Pine wrote:^Bad vote. Beck is vigbait, and what you're proposing is a policy lynch. Unless you can come up with a reasonable and thorough case on why he's scum, I won't stand for wasting a lynch on him when a vig bullet makes him just as dead.
Ifthere were anyone I'd be willing to PL. There isn't."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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I've read your ISO, SV. This post...
In post 187, Shattered Viewpoint wrote:In post 109, Beck wrote:Before you call my case bullshit, try making one yourself, until than you have no right to criticize my case.
Have a seat, get comfortable. Allow me to tell you a little tiny story.
Once upon a time, there was a game, This game was called Mafia. It involved an informed minority and an uninformed majority. The way you play this game doesn't really differ much -- on the surface -- regardless of which side you happen to be on.
Everyone is trying to catch scum. (Hush, now, even the scum are trying toappearto be catching scum.)
The Mafia, while trying to appear town and catching the scum, may (or may not) make some bullshit arguments.
It is while deconstructing these bullshit arguments that we, as Town, are able to narrow down the possibilities of who is scum and who is not.
Your case is bullshit. Therefore, you're either scum or a fucking idiot.
One scum found!
Looky there!Twoscum found!
Oh, and Beck? Here's some further proof of your scumminess/moronity:
In post 112, Beck wrote:@ sorg, I still stand by it
PL in general, bad play
PL of DK in general, the best thing town can do for themselves 100% of the time.
In post 138, ZeL1nK wrote:I don't get it. Is this opposite day or something?
I'm obvtown, why are you voting for me?
THIRDscum found! I think I just came.
FOURTH---no, wait. Slandaar's just dumb.
In post 162, Beck wrote:We also have a shut load of people who need to post, and others who need to post content and not nonsensical horseshit (shattered this means you)
Blow me, scumboy.
And funkybike isn't scum, just newbtown Lurker McLurkyman.
...is the only one that even masquerades as content, or attempts to give reads on anyone. And you don't explain them in any real way. This is not acceptable.Whydo you suspect these people? How do their recent actions change your opinion or cause it to remain the same? Why?
I mean, the only reason you even gave for Revenus, who I have a decent Townread on, was that he was hearing Beck out. WHAT? That isn't even declaring him scummy! It's just saying "this person is stupid, so I'm going to vote him."
Add Shattered Viewpoint to my list of acceptable lynches/vig targets, unless a significant change occurs and soon."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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In post 635, funkybike1 wrote:Maybe if you explained yourself better, you might actually be able to contribute to these "terrible arguments" instead of just showing up every three days.
Tragic and scummy irony, thy name is funkybike1.
In post 636, funkybike1 wrote:Also, I fully support the notion that I am newb town.
...Except that no one (that I can recall) is making that assertion. It is not a label you can give to yourself, or even really endorse for yourself. This is, by far, the scummiest thing you've said.
I now condone the wagon on funkybike1, though my read on him is far from airtight enough to actively support it. Happy hunting, gentlemen."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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