Open 879: Fire and More Fire [game over]

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idk why I do this to myself

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Hardclaim town actually

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im trying but reading is really boring

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page 10

I think meuh is town, just agree strongly with their reads

I think radical rat is towny

I think ausuka is towny vibes

I think osuka is probably just town for the overall abrasiveness but he got worse

I agree a lot with stuff Bingle is saying like in the argument of potential signaling, but im not sure that's AI for bingle

I probably want to kill drew/towwl slot

gonna go watch a movie now

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has anyone mentioned that the IC should just out btw?

I mean theres a decent chance both scum groups try to kill IC and then the kill fails.
So im not seeing a good reason of just taking a person out of elim pool now, except it hurts the IC ability to hunt people

it also increases odds of scum cross killing.

something about haha miller so mafia can cop and then try to signal to the person and get outed haha

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everyone here is so friendly ive never gotten so many hi's

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everyone here is so friendly ive never gotten so many hi's

Fuck of Sheep you piece of garbage.

Does that make you feel more comfortable lol.

wow that feels more like forum mafia

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I think readlists like the one merlyn just posted are very +town

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I think readlists like the one merlyn just posted are very +town

what quality of merlyn's readslist do you tr

it's like the types of explanations that are there. like I havent read this mafia game I have no clue how good the explanations are. but theyre very free-flowing and un-calculated and feel genuinely off the top of the head

tonally

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I think readlists like the one merlyn just posted are very +town

what quality of merlyn's readslist do you tr

sorry that wording is dumb

i mean why "readslists like the one merlyn just posted" and not simply "the readslist merlyn just posted"

I am basing this off of a lazy general understanding that I thought applied the moment I saw it. "big posts that feel like that, that cover every player with a couple lines just like that, have appeared in my forum mafia experience and have been town".

Rather than, "I spent critical thinking and time pondering on Merlyn's post here and came to this conclusion"

idk

what was the purpose of this question

what do you think about Merlyn's post

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after today im kinda busy until deadline but I dont think im gonna read enough today this is very sad

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page 20

I think invis is towny. I think Bella called out invis as like "very considered" as potentially scummy but I identify town!invis as that, like very calculated and thinking hard. his posting makes me believe he is thinking hard so he is probably town

Bella maybe slightly wolfy but there's really not enough there

umlaut idk lol. gun-to-my-head he is town for his push on ausuka such as 407 it's generally too unapologetic / unexplained for wolf

I find bulge mildly wolfy

firebringer like. I would honestly call his gimmick-but-pushing-bingle town. tho I could sorta see the gimmick as a "wolf trying to play in a way that gets peeked by the other pair" thing in this specific game as a tinfoil theory lmaoo but yeah unironically he is towny
ok I reached his Bingle case and I think he is just normal towny, I find the case fairly appealing

I'm sensing some frustration in Bingle's time but I like the way he's pushing Ausuka while also defending his position. The frustration feels like it might come from having a big wagon formed on him already and I think that town is more likely to let this frustration show

Black I sort of want u to talk about this? from my skim-through ive been reading bingle's response wolfy as like, too apathetic/mechanical

I think ausuka's too-wolfy-to-be-wolf read on Black was pretty good and made perfect sense. justice for twtbw reads.

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hey cook what are your thoughts on the leading wagons

i like all three but i think we're gonna mislim somehow

is there a reason you think this?

(i have not read at all past my posts)

pattern in games i've been in of mislimming every time

Ok I mean fair

lmfao

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ah fuck bingle perspective on his wagon very towny on page 27

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bingle is winning me over. I sorta buy his constantly questioning people as good faith and genuinely trying to sort them

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VOTE: drew

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I think theres a carefulness with scumreading people that I would guess would appear in wolves for this setup

and glancing at the list of players I could see like, drew or invisibility being examples of that so far. if im not underestimating how well wolves would be able to play past that

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my first thought about this setup was like, intuitively maybe wolves would express scumreads less / differently from normal. because they dont wanna hit their partners. or they dont wanna realize someone might be their partner and be boxed into voting them

granted I skimmed the thread quickly and my brain is tired, but I thought "for whom can I not remember who they scumread" and it was u Dr drew. and then sort of invisibility, I remember he's just blindly sheeping or something.

beyond that I thought maybe ausuka but she's still like, tossing around skepticism/suspicion in a normal way I feel

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hm can u answer merlyn about why u thought I was towny

p-edit this is still to dr drew

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ahhhhh

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vote count 1.13

with 15 votes in play, it takes 8 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2023-06-28 17:00:00).

yeet

Bingle [5]:

Ausuka, Firebringer, The Bulge, Invisibility, osuka

sheepsaysmeep [3]:

Bellaphant, Radical Rat, Umlaut

Ausuka [2]:

Black, Doctor Drew

Black [1]:

Meuh

Meuh [1]:

Bingle

Bellaphant [1]:

Merlyn

Doctor Drew [1]:

sheepsaysmeep

not voting [1]:

Skygazer

mod notes

Invisibility is v/la until monday.
this is a mod note.

flavour

I prefer something like drew/bulge but if no one is interested I am fine to just vote bingle with so little time left lolz

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but yeah my gut thinks bingle misses and I am interested in potentially running someone else up just to feel something idk

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Radical Rat do you feel like you've exited your wolfrange

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cook

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radical rat can u talk more about ur read on me? I think it's kinda shit

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more specifically, I do see why you originally voted cook, but I think youre trying to exude a lot of confidence about your wolfread on me that feels not fully backed, so im curious if theres anything more / more updated about me

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I am not into the merlyn wagon; I think invisibility's post trying to start it was like very remarkably uncompelling and bothered me about invisibility

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I am not really into the FB lim lol

I think generally villager "im gonna break out of gimmick for a second" moments are recognizable and fire's bingle push + fire's "IC should out" are both good instances of that

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idfk

I guess there are reasons to do it it's not the end of the world

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VOTE: skygazer

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VOTE: drew I would do this lol

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would not do black today idk

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I still think radical push on me is shit and wolfy and would otherwise be townreading him but it really bugs me a lot

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ah yes sorry

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fuck man I want to believe fire

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would anyone be willing to kill invisibility

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would anyone be willing to kill invisibility

Noooooope

damn ok

bulge slot?

Bella/don slot?

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hm I'll read black's iso

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I am not into the black lim

I just like a lot of her thoughts

there were some nothing-posts that bothered me like "hm this is interesting I wonder what it could one day mean" but otherwise I just agreed with a lot of her stuff and think it's more likely town

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plausible deniability on what

Giving sheep an excuse to move off Drew, who could be his buddy, after Drew started to actually look viable.

this tunnel is legitimately one of the wolfiest tunnels ive ever witnessed it's so fuckin weird

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I was the first to push drew before it was cool and was always down to vote their I think we look pretty unpaired

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Spoiler:

page 10

I probably want to kill drew/towwl slot

*drew tries to appease me with a strong townread in a way I think looks very w->v*

bingle is winning me over. I sorta buy his constantly questioning people as good faith and genuinely trying to sort them

VOTE: drew

I think theres a carefulness with scumreading people that I would guess would appear in wolves for this setup

and glancing at the list of players I could see like, drew or invisibility being examples of that so far. if im not underestimating how well wolves would be able to play past that

my first thought about this setup was like, intuitively maybe wolves would express scumreads less / differently from normal. because they dont wanna hit their partners. or they dont wanna realize someone might be their partner and be boxed into voting them

granted I skimmed the thread quickly and my brain is tired, but I thought "for whom can I not remember who they scumread" and it was u Dr drew. and then sort of invisibility, I remember he's just blindly sheeping or something.

beyond that I thought maybe ausuka but she's still like, tossing around skepticism/suspicion in a normal way I feel

I prefer something like drew/bulge but if no one is interested I am fine to just vote bingle with so little time left lolz

but yeah my gut thinks bingle misses and I am interested in potentially running someone else up just to feel something idk

I dunno

I think this objectively looks fairly unpartnered in this setup; it's like 50% of my meaningful posts

and i think radical pushing me this hard should know what my stances are fairly well and should then understand that me/drew is objectively a little stretchy


I dont think "drew was unviable" is enough given that he was top wagon in the early stages of the game + I have been an upper wagon technically like the 2nd-biggest and would probably be looking to have many counterwagon options that are not my partner

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personally btw I will not wake up before deadline, im going to sleep and then gone for like the last 8 hours

I probably just park on drew here

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invisibility who is mafia

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doctor drew who is mafia

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VOTE: umlaut

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fun fact:

Donempire is mod-confirmed to be aligned with the

town

.

knew it

same I could tell already am I a cool kid now

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This is so scummy it's ridiculous. Aside from the unabashed rolefishing here are a few reasons ic revealing would suck,

ill rolefish all day my friend

Are u the IC?

If anyone is wondering i fucking had a huge feeling done was IC back here

10 points to griffindor

I believe this so I will clear firebringer for don empire not dying

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damn I thought my naked vote was extremely villagery

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invisibility do you have a recent scum game

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EV

73% town win, discounting IC influence, which makes it not just dividing 3 by 11.

wow when we bottle this it will go down in history

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i just read meryln iso and my god i could def see Meryln/Ausuka as last scum team

Ausuka is giving me town vibes as of late.

Wanna George Bailey Merlyn?

this is off

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it seems like the premise of firebringer's merlyn vote is 90% that she seems teamed with ausuka

and then Doctor Drew He Jack of All Trades piggybacks on the vote while calling ausuka town ??

wolfily lazy

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end of this week's sheepsaysmeep contribution

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down but I prefer umlaut

I suppose I should talk about why umlaut someday

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ok wait I did the iso I am ok to kill merlyn yeah

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society if everyone knew that post tags around the post number create a link

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hm

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VOTE: invisibility

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there can only be one

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I dunno

if merlyn is wolf, she's about to lose the game. so she desperately needs to like, pick a counterwagon, try to kickstart it, and hope it somehow works. does she really end her big post with a vote on firebringer? there must be other choices that are more likely to bring success

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ausuka is towny to me

this game does not have a big enough section in my brain for me to know what my solve is

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merlyn/invis<umlaut<osuka/drew current poe???????????

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this game's current size is way scarier for us than I thought

for some reason ive been feeling like there are like 15 living people and my poe was like 3

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bro im at the point where caffeine has no effect on me anymore

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ok VOTE: doctor drew

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oh wait I think you read the thing flipped from how I intended. but I see why I should be voting drew instead after checking the votecount

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If it's flipped, then I'm confused about the Merlyn defense

yeah idk either

she should be higher

not the best lim today but it doesnt like propel her out of the poe by any means

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idfk what to think about umlaut changing his mind on me

first thing that made me doubt my scumread

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This shit is what i'm talking about. I have a meta on merlyn and i can clearly tell this is her town game and theres someone who comes in with the easily disprovable point that merlyn isn't solving and they spam a bit, call me useless and next thing you know their random wagon is getting to e-1. At this point, fuck alignments, lets let fire have his fucking way, eh?

VOTE: don

is there a scum game of hers ur using to compare to and if so can you say which one

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also invisibility started feeling town

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Donempire is scum for voting confirmed town

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anyways i will probably hammer in the next 5 hours

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anyways i will probably hammer in the next 5 hours

I don’t think dons gonna get 4 more votes in 5 hours, sheep.

We just lost Valuable ProTown Discussion Time

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ok I believe u VOTE: drew

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this day phase is kinda rough for me lmao im basically semi vla

im sorry I know it's bad timing

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VOTE: umlaut

I think this is the best shot

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this day phase is kinda rough for me lmao im basically semi vla

im sorry I know it's bad timing

Do you think scum is in or out of the PoE at least? Like, are you confident we’re on the right track overall?

yes I feel fairly good about a towngroup of ausuka, fire, you, radical rat. and invisibility has shown good hints of town

I dont feel superb about it, like ive had more secure reads in mafia games. but if we only need to hit one wolf it is totally fine enough for now

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I feel it makes more sense to wait a day phase or so to do that numberswise but maybe that's my laziness

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prodding Invisibility, sheepsaysmeep, Radical Rat, Doctor Drew.

apologies for slow mod action, i'm currently battling a stomach flu.

get well soon

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{Radical Rat, Umlaut};
{Radical Rat, Bingle};
{Ausuka, Radical Rat};
{Invisibility, Radical Rat}

{Ausuka, Firebringer};
{Invisibility, Firebringer};
{Doctor Drew, Firebringer};
{Merlyn, Firebringer};

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tbh I think umlaut is town

VOTE: merlyn

will still try to do the thing

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I regret not declaring a v/la im sorry

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I do have a reason to not finish but I'll try to lol

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currently I think best guess is merlyn

merlyn is like wow I love this idea!! and then doesnt seem to have had motivation to do it

umlaut is still poe but I think this thing was really something he believes is protown and could possibly stabbed him in the back

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I probably should be taking higher quality guesses at this stage of the game

but still, based on the thinking ive done merlyn is definitely like the best guess seeming rn

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ah sorry u got covid

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im not very good with finishing work before a deadline

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{Radical Rat, Umlaut};
{Radical Rat, Bingle};
{Ausuka, Radical Rat};
{Invisibility, Radical Rat}

{Ausuka, Firebringer};
{Invisibility, Firebringer};
{Doctor Drew, Firebringer};
{Merlyn, Firebringer};

quoting for myself for the new page lol

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this forces me to basically look in depth at 2 of my already-townreads lol

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yeah I agree with it but this is like the most in-depth im ever examining people so it wouldve been nicer to do it on contentious slots for me lol

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Most of this is summary for myself rather than analysis

Spoiler:

firebringer ISO notes:

-I find it literally impossible to deduce almost any spew from all the georgebailey section besides prob wasnt bussing bingle
-I think my townread has been reinforced, no tinfoils this is just lock town prob
-townreads in post 1070: meuh, ausuka, radical
-post 1429: town umlaut rad sheep osuka, poe bingle ausuka merlyn
-post 1608: not voting Ausuka, Drew, Invis. would vote Merlyn

drew specifically:

-457 townread, seems mildly fair
-not featured in the townreads in 1070
-around 1085, he towncases drew. it seems decent and I want to believe it. I wanna say it's actually not partnered because I think mafia would try not to superlink themselves together unless they haaaave to and it seems like they didn't haaaaave to. but it doesnt rule anything out because it is still someone hard-shielding someone under threat at eod lol.
-1181 "maybe I should reevaluate drew" at sod2. I could see this as w/w, starting up skepticism after drew threat fades?
-1229 skeptical of drew
-1239 presses drew a little, I think nothing more comes of this

-long time later in d3: votes drew, sheeping rad

ausuka specifically:

-773 calls ausuka town for a good scum-list
-featured as town in 1070
-1429 listed as poe
-1432 calls merlyn/ausuka possible team
-1625 "I could maybe be convinced to vote ausuka", then disagrees with the case don makes on ausuka (which was very valid to disagree with imo(

invisibility specifically:

-no mention d1
-I guess slightly defends invis in 1209
-1429 left off the readlist and then "what a boring answer that would be"

merlyn specifically:

-1429 as poe d2
-1430 "I forgot merlyn exists" lol
-1432 calls merlyn/ausuka possible team
-from there on, he starts gunning for her lim

I am just going to call this a really unlikely team because of how hard he guns for her lim and almost singlehandedly kills her (although it's made physically possible by the fact that he just changes his mind randomly and pivots to osuka before eod)

-1656 calls merlyn a likely townflip

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I think from Firebringer's end, I can conclude disappointingly not much about the pairings I was assigned (ausuka, invisibility, drew, merlyn). the main thing I concluded is that firebringer is probably just the towniest living player for all the flip flops on his stances, just doesnt make sense for wolf!fb to do all those random twists and turns shit


if gun-to-head I had to give takes (these are still only from the side of fire bringer's posting):

invisibility/firebringer is unlikely because firebringer truly ignores invisibility's presence at all, and I feel like he might try to have

something

there if they were the pair lol

drew: I could see this because he saved drew d1, but otherwise I think he's sort of setting up to vote drew and it would be more likely w/t with than w/w

ausuka: similar story to drew, if firebringer is wolf this is someone he's preparing to one day vote rather than his partner

merlyn: I think his d2 push on merlyn was too strong to ever fully back out of + merlyn is a contentious slot that if he is paired with merlyn he sorta box himself into loss by pushing merlyn so strongly

basically all my FB pairs unlikely but drew>ausuka>invis>merlyn in chance I guess

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and yeah generally fb's play seems unpartnered if that makes sense as a thought

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merlyn to FB: 1479 attempts to push fb and sits parked there for the rest of the day phase, nothing else exists

I actually thought this was a possibly w/w response to push. but then I looked back at fire pushing merlyn stuff, he only gives up on merlyn after it's clear that osuka is more popular (I thought he randomly changed wagon from merlyn and got people off it himself)

I would rule out this pairing just due to fire treatment of merlyn. just doesnt seem like appropriate bussing in this game lol, called attention to her scummy iso out of absolutely nowhere

1/8

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I dunno

umlaut changing his mind from pushing me hard => calling me villa also felt more likely town cuz I feel liek a make-or-break lim this game

im like, limmable but towny player

wolves win the game by pushing me hard enough to get my lim over the line in the end. especially umlaut who might not make it to endgame needs to keep me in his poe

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haha

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no getting limmed is embarrassing

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interesting

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VOTE: bingle

I believe u wholeheartedly

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ok I am submitting what I did for partial credit

this hit hard

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beep

meep

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Pooky how much of the iso is ur read based on

Like is it mainly that one post

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if you want me to actually read the game i can do that but like itd be a shame if i couldve just killed scum bingle now

It would make me feel a bit better sheeping u but I guess I already am willing to so whatever

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if this actually hits I will literally never forget u pookythemagicalbear

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if it doesnt hit this game will be very forgettable

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Okay, but I'm feeling PRETTY sure on sheep right now, but I'm afraid I'll be able to be talked out of it if the game's actually on the line, so I'd like to push it through BEFORE that happens.

ur read is shit

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accept and move forth

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I think invis is towny

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bingle Merlyn drew is what I would vote today I guess

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ausuka could be mafia but she is townier and I am pocketed

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I find it ridiculous that mafiascum requires a majority of votes and there’s no “let it rand” option

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Tbf most of ur post applies from pooky’s POV in the form “a bingle townflip forces me to reevaluate the game whereas anything else leaves him in the exact same place he is now

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Tbf most of ur post applies from pooky’s POV in the form “a bingle townflip forces me to reevaluate the game whereas anything else leaves him in the exact same place he is now

Actually this kind of bugs me. Why are you assuming pooky town here?

I don’t think I am, just noting that logically the RR post isn’t meaningful/influencing because it’s basically just saying what his personal reads are

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Idk I guess it was a kinda pointless post of m

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I am fine voting drew when I get home

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I do not enjoy doing jack shit and then not getting away with it

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I do not think I have the balls to follow through on killing pooky purely for getting it wrong

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I think we should consider semi-rebooting that process with less homework to do for each person because the list is smaller

and can just reuse the homework of flipped town bingle, rip sorry bingle

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I will probably assume firebringer town

like

it's not that he couldnt be scum, but it's the one ISO ive done and he's so much

more

villagery than everyone else that it feels fair enough to just work with never voting him

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I was also about to say I kinda want to just guess drewmerlyn... idk

Invisibility, camelCasedSnivy, Doctor Drew, Merlyn, Firebringer, sheepsaysmeep, PookyTheMagicalBear

invis towny
ccs/ausuka is ok ehh

drew meh
merlyn meh

firebringer towny

sheep

pooky was a little towny

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the thing is logically there is very good reason to follow through on killing pooky now

like if im in lylo and I look back like who was pro-town and who was pro-scum and pooky pummeling bingle benefitted scum so it's hard to ever get there on town!pooky so maybe he should be resolved

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but also in this setup especially it feels like doing the trade myself thing is especially just not the play

like when the stake is you lose the game if people follow through and kill you after the town flip, then it feels like it would just be wrong for scum to try

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he does sorta seem like it lmfao

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but it still seems too generally towny

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ya I want to just say drew-merlyn but like

that just means the wolves have been gone and we've just been self-imploding ourselves

which I never like to accept

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invisibility iso:

he feels more town than I thought he was coming into this ISO. he just vibes good, isn't trying to be towny

I do not think he is w/w with towwl-drew slot; he really presses towwl early on
doesnt feel w/w with merlyn either I guess just due to a vote at one point

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ausuka iso (now ccs):

-her early exchange with bingle where bingle sussed her for signaling and she was like "bruh I dont buy this" was towny to me. it felt genuine. and it felt like overreacting to pressure in a towny way lmao like scum would be scared of seeming too defensive

-yeah she just feels emotionally town?? lol like so done with everything which I think is a towntell when it's made really clear

-I dont think she kills meuh because of the way meuh was defending her hard ??

-I dont think she is scum with umlaut-pooky slot. I could see her with my scumreads tho (drew/merlyn)

-ok I reached a point in her iso where she doesnt feel paired with drew btw

-does not feel paired with invisibility

-I guess does not feel paired with merlyn by 1453 ??? maybe my bar for eliminating people as pairings is too low

-I think her reads are constantly changing in a way that's towny, every single poe person she has gone back and forth between town and scum like 3-4 times

-there are a couple things that make me paranoid, like this does not feel like the game I modded where she was town, and her townread on me was maybe too easy and pockety. but this is probably just a towny iso

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towwl/drew.. iso is very conflicting idk. maybe cuz I think im pretty bad at reading drew

-towwlposting I always think was kinda scummy

-when I reread the weird signaling theory I find it more towny, I guess because people say it's towny for drew, if I can trust their meta assessments lol

-otherwise drew posting is very meh with lots of empty questions, I guess the mehness is just >rand wolf

-his tunnels on ausuka/osuka would be villagery but theyre kinda shallow and and unexplained, which is kinda what I'd expect from a wolf who d1 needs to be pushing people they think are town

-his drop-off after d1 is one of the more extreme ones which is bad?

-I struggle more to find non w/w connections in this iso than I did in other ones. however he doesnt really feel w/w with merlyn?? he suddenly flips into scumreading merlyn d2 at the same time that merlyn became a popular wagon option

idk, he felt gut town lol which is really bad im running out of people and maybe somethings wrong . but it still feels like he just fits the picture as scum better

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I guess it's ending up that I think merlyn is unpartnered based on how fire went "let's kill merlyn" and then every single person was like ok and voted merlyn

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VOTE: doctor drew

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merlyn iso:


- 384 is just a scummy post lmao I find that "why is this person a wagon again" is more often wolf

-824 is just another individual post I find wolfy lol


-her ausuka defense feels weird, like either partnered or tmi. 416 577

-I once more think this slot is not really paired with drew... which is interesting, I'll need to think hard about which of them is scummier rather than just assuming it's the exact team rip


-I think my reason to townread them for response to almost dying is less valid because I believe she didnt realize she was at e-1 lol. 1523

-also the vote switch at the end of yesterday when it wasnt necessary is just.. kinda scummy

idk I think this is one of the more scummy iso's in the game. just rly lacking in desire to solve and stuff. I think she was townier as town in scarfolk mafia

[sheepsaysmeep]

VOTE: merlyn

[sheepsaysmeep]

fire I already iso'd yesterday trying to do homework thing, im just going to guess he's town ;lsakjdf and oh well

[sheepsaysmeep]

umlaut iso is.. ridiculously meh

like I like it more than I did before. but I struggle maybe to bring myself to

townread

it.

for example throughout the game I disliked his push on me because I thought it was too weak but now I sort of see a bunch of little moments building up to it

-probably not w/w with drew for joining the drew wagon d1

one thing I think is wolfy is that at the start of the game he says "I basically never reach really confident wolfreads anymore" but the way he pushes me seems like he's possibly over confident like keep saying "can we do sheep sheep is still scum"

-he also joins merlyn wagon which maybe isnt w/w with merlyn???? I want to reread both the drew and merlyn flash wagons sometime
yeah this isnt w/w with merlyn I think

pooky iso I wont reread. I think my first instinct was generally that the pop in and tunnel like that is wolfy. but I think pooky seems enough like a player to do it as town + the context he provided where he's scuccessfully does it in past datisi games turns me into thinking it's town indicative ?????


I guess overall I ever slightly lean town on this slot is my gut instinct

[sheepsaysmeep]

viewtopic.php?t=90708

this is a game where merlyn was mafia

I think in that game merlyn proved herself beyond capable of the things that I liked in this game, like her readlist, so im probably fine just killing her here

I also skimmed a bunch of umlaut games, I think this looks slightly more like his towngame but it would be kinda hard to explain this isnt a very intricate take

[sheepsaysmeep]

like I guess umlaut scum is good at making towny posts in

response

to stuff which seems nice and detailed

but umlaut town has more visible natural progressions and thought processes across time

which I see in this game

meh idk

[sheepsaysmeep]

I do not think umlaut is paired with ausuka either

[sheepsaysmeep]

pooky/invis is actually what looks most like a team in terms of interactions but I townread both slots independently

and it's like, they were in ooookkkkkk positions to where pooky maybe doesnt need to do that gambity entrance

idk

maybe it's justified because people didnt like umlaut

[sheepsaysmeep]

Snivy/Merlyn extremely possible depending how impactful 1453 was

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vote count 1.17

with 15 votes in play, it takes 8 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2023-06-28 17:00:00).

yeet

Bingle [4]:

Firebringer, The Bulge, osuka, Meuh

sheepsaysmeep [2]:

Radical Rat, Umlaut

Firebringer [2]:

Donempire, Black

Skygazer [2]:

Ausuka, sheepsaysmeep

Merlyn [1]:

Invisibility

Meuh [1]:

Bingle

Ausuka [1]:

Doctor Drew

Donempire [1]:

Merlyn

not voting [1]:

Skygazer

mod notes

this is a mod note.

flavour

Tbh after reading drew's iso again i could maybe compromise there

He has towny vibes but his actual reads kind of suck and feel pretty stagnant. I guess I'm biased on me but his osuka read is also bad and static

pedit: I always copy people's homework

even tho drew had no votes yet, I think this rly close to the end of d1 is not w/w between ausuka and drew

VOTE: drew I would do this lol

VOTE: drew

I STAND WITH SHEEP

LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOOO VOTE: Drew this is the wagon that'll work trust trust

Alright, I'll call the bluff.

VOTE: Drew

Sure, as long as we actually do it. I overall like this wagon better anyway.

VOTE: Drew

Drew, if you flip green I'll owe you a glass of Lagavulin.

sheep: town
ausuka: not w/w with drew
RR: flipped town
Meuh: flipped not drew's partner
Umlaut: NOT w/w with drew

then, fire comes in, saves drew and flips it onto black. I think if drew has a partner, it has to be invis or fire. but fire seems really unlikely based on how he has been pushing drew last couple days? maybe something to re-look at

[sheepsaysmeep]

im actually feeling more strongly about
VOTE: Meryln than ausuka but i think they are the team now.

My heart is in this now

it seems like the premise of firebringer's merlyn vote is 90% that she seems teamed with ausuka

naah she is scum regardless
go through her iso its empty contributions and not scum hunting
and she looks like defending/calling ausuka town in unnatural way that is either trying to push her into town group for partner or white knighting i guess. I lean more in the former than latter

im actually feeling more strongly about
VOTE: Meryln than ausuka but i think they are the team now.

My heart is in this now

George.....fucking......Bailey

VOTE: Merlyn

Looking through merlyn's iso again there is sort of a lack of organic reads progression which I associate with scum

Idk how to feel about umlauts recent posting because on a gut level it did feel kinda towny but I'm not sure how difficult it is for mafia to actually fake.

VOTE: Merlyn

I guess I will join this sorry frog friend

vote count 2.05

with 11 votes in play, it takes 6 to make a decision. day 2 ends in (expired on 2023-07-08 15:30:00).

yeet

Merlyn [3]:

Firebringer, Doctor Drew, Ausuka

Umlaut [2]:

Invisibility, sheepsaysmeep

Firebringer [2]:

Donempire

, Umlaut

osuka [1]:

Bingle

Bingle [1]:

osuka

Doctor Drew [1]:

Radical Rat

not voting [1]:

Merlyn

Oh derp, yeah why would scum!Firebringer IC hunt and then shoot anyone but Don last night. I guess FB pretty much clear then.

VOTE: Merlyn

I could do this, I've been sort of gambler's-fallacying myself here since Merlyn was scum in our last/first game together but that's not actually a good reason not to vote her. Looking back at her d1 I am seeing a really likable and reasonable tone combined with not much actual contribution or hard reads. Not as convinced as FB but it's a good wagon.

Umlaut is not w/w with merlyn.

ausuka continues to post after merlyn rose to 4 votes.... I think if she was with merlyn she would realize she needs to force a way to get off this wagon

Good god someone unvote merlyn please.

UNVOTE:

then, I make my point about how Merlyn's self-defense seems not like a wolf, and everything disbands.

vote count 2.07

with 11 votes in play, it takes 6 to make a decision. day 2 ends in (expired on 2023-07-08 15:30:00).

yeet

Merlyn [3]:

Firebringer, Doctor Drew, Invisibility

Doctor Drew [3]:

Radical Rat, Bingle, sheepsaysmeep

Ausuka [2]:

Donempire

, osuka

Firebringer [1]:

Merlyn

not voting [2]:

Ausuka, Umlaut

And i don't really think drew is scum tbh. I mean I probably would have taken drew over black at the time so it doesn't matter that much for this specifically.

I think osuka and invisibility are good eliminations for today - I don't really want drew and I'm cooling on merlyn.

if ausuka/merlyn I dont think ausuka defends drew right after the above votecount...

VOTE: osuka

You are back in the Whiskey Pocket.

Let's get it!

VOTE: Osuka

(Also, I definitely indulged a bit too much Osuka.....I feel you brother lol)

this is drew's first post after the vote on merlyn

ok and by now the merlyn wagon is fully gone.

who is Merlyn's partner??? maybe it is drew and he just placed a risky vote on merlyn after firebringer voted her? maybe invis?? I no longer think ausuka-snivy slot is paired with her

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Invisibility/umlaut - 141 can be a team, i think scum are likely to do early kind-of-distancing stuff. Could the stuff about invis asking bella why she suspects invis and umlaut be a scumteam? Eh maybe, i just had a game where scum literally claimed their partner on page 1 so. 1293 is arguably not a scumteam but if i'm an invisibility/umlaut scumteam in this situation i think 'fuck it we bus' is a pretty reasonable approach to take and hope people realise umlaut has no partners? Overall, it is possible this scumteam exists but there's not that much compelling evidence for it

...

drew/merlyn - "Merlyn, I hope you are here.....you voted me but really haven't mentioned me as of late." this can be a scumteam line. The merlyn push on drew also seems pretty scum-team-able since the drew pushing didn't really happen in the business end of d1. Seems pretty dubious of merlyn d1 but doesn't vote her during the whole WAGON MERLYN moment. Dctively goes out of his way to push her d2 and merlyn is also like "Drew is sooooo sus guys" but meh again if you're drew and merlyn I can kind of see that approach as a sort of hail mary. This is another 'can be the team' moment

ausuka finds possible two teams I find most possible rn

[sheepsaysmeep]

invis/pooky

drew/merlyn

merlyn/invis seems fine and drew/invis seems fine

???????? do I kill invis???

if we have two lims left to hit one mafia, invis + one of drew or merlyn wins the game?

[sheepsaysmeep]

either that or I need to reevaluate fuckin firebringer but yeah thats post is the summary of all this

let me double check everything I said. why isnt ausuka in any teams

[sheepsaysmeep]

It makes sense for you not to remember but Meuh coming in with "yeah what" implies she doesn't remember either and I'm not sure why she would expect to remember something like that? It just reads as defensive

I was also in that game, and luckily enough I was ISOing Ausuka there when making the cyclical post to make sure I hadn't imagined Ausuka's 1v1 tendency and Ausuka's spiciest early 1v1 in that game was with... Skygazer, which doesn't really click with the idea of Skygazer WKing her

How did you know what game Skygazer was referring to?

Inference

Meuh, why would you infer that Sky is referring to the game you three were in together if she wasn't white knighting her in that game?

Because
1. I had already brought up this game multiple times so referencing it would make more sense than referring to another game
2. Scum Skygazer/town Ausuka is a specific enough scenario that it narrows down the possibility of it being a different game a lot
3. Skygazer was responding to me, so it'd make sense for him to refer to that game and to explicitly state if he wasn't
4. Pretty sure Skygazer only recently returned to the site and as such wouldn't have an extensive pool of recent games to have WKed Ausuka in
5. 507 very heavily implies that there isn't another game that I'm not aware of

I can't decide if this feels like too much explaining or not

I don't like Merlyn testing the waters here

Looking at the lead wagons, I'd rather lim Bingle than sheep. I guess. A Sheep lim would give so little info. But I hate lims that the best reason is 'we'll get a lot of info when you die!'

also don't like Merlyn seemingly setting herself up to vote

I also agree with 832 and 860
VOTE: Merlyn
Merlyn flashwagon can we do it?

Just saying what I thought. The explanation makes sense, but it also seems a bit of an overexplanation. Here's a question for you, why would I need to 'test the waters' instead of just...asking others what they thought?

if you just went and asked you'd be expressing interest. The point can be used as ammo or just dropped depending on how stuff regarding Meuh goes. Your post struck me as overcautious

Eh? The deadline is looming

what pinged me mostly was that it felt all wishy washy but I guess I am being a hypocrite here so whatever

I guess invis is not w/w with merlyn

he also just seems kinda towny again...

this is silly

VOTE: Drew

vote count 3.06

with 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to make a decision. day 3 ends in (expired on 2023-07-18 14:00:00).

yeet

Doctor Drew [3]:

Firebringer, Merlyn, Invisibility

Bingle [3]:

PookyTheMagicalBear, sheepsaysmeep, Ausuka

PookyTheMagicalBear [2]:

Bingle, Doctor Drew

sheepsaysmeep [1]:

Radical Rat

not voting [0]:

I am not really feeling the drew team

vote count 2.03

with 11 votes in play, it takes 6 to make a decision. day 2 ends in (expired on 2023-07-08 15:30:00).

yeet

Umlaut [3]:

Invisibility, sheepsaysmeep, Ausuka

Bingle [2]:

osuka, Umlaut

osuka [2]:

Bingle, Doctor Drew

Firebringer [1]:

Donempire

sheepsaysmeep [1]:

Radical Rat

not voting [2]:

Merlyn, Firebringer

I dont love the umlaut team... 5 minutes ago I thought invis is too possible-partners with everyone but now I think he's too unpartnered with everyone, he's pushed the whole poe

[sheepsaysmeep]

I guess I just end up with fuckin drew/merlyn which I was already guessing at start of day lol. thats messed up

maaaaaaaaaaybe ausuka/umlaut-pooky ehhhh but I feel like umlaut pushed ausuka kinda hard d1

he went "look through ausuka iso. there's nothing towny there. Vote: Ausuka" and then genuinely tried to convince people

[sheepsaysmeep]

final answer Merlyn-drew, slightly more comfortable limming merlyn today out of the 2 but I really dont think it matters much

[sheepsaysmeep]

if putting in high effort still does not win me a nightkill then there is no hope for me

[sheepsaysmeep]

I will probably assume firebringer town

like

it's not that he couldnt be scum, but it's the one ISO ive done and he's so much

more

villagery than everyone else that it feels fair enough to just work with never voting him

I don't love that you just did so much work and then gave firebringer a pass bc...you didn't want to be unfair to him I guess? He also is definitely not more villagery than everyone else, like he has definitely NOT been what I would call a universal townread. I think you might be either a) skimming over your partner or b) been a little pocketed here.

It was that I had already studied him yesterday and concluded he was strongly town

But now that I did much more than expected it probably makes sense to re-look at him

[sheepsaysmeep]

I thought for a moment “one of drew/merlyn is scum who is trying to look w/w with the other to frame them” but then I realized this makes literally 0 sense at all in this setup and even if they weren’t w/w it would benefit the wolf to not look w/w

[sheepsaysmeep]

I am fine to hammer somebody tbh

You Only Live life once

[sheepsaysmeep]

I am fine to hammer somebody tbh

You Only Live life once

U all are so disappointing

[sheepsaysmeep]

referencing the ev's actually makes things feel worse because of the way they've decreased with each successive day phase

[sheepsaysmeep]

I think what I saw on reread was that he voted right after firebringer, then he never posted while it was a bag wagon, and he came back after it had dissapated

[sheepsaysmeep]

But I guess I am less confident than I was after I read all those things

[sheepsaysmeep]

Hm

[sheepsaysmeep]

I mean you have to bus at some point

My explanation was just that drew didn’t think it was actually going to take off like that

He was just an offhand founding vote

[sheepsaysmeep]

How do u type so much faster than me

[sheepsaysmeep]

I did think that literal exact thing at some point on thursday

[sheepsaysmeep]

I guess I can see fire-drew but fire seemed to really prefer limming drew yesterday over bingle

And he’s boxed himself into strongly scumreading drew

[sheepsaysmeep]

Merlyn has done nothing for long time

[sheepsaysmeep]

Like just seems given up scum idk lol

[sheepsaysmeep]

I would totally switch to drew tho sure

[sheepsaysmeep]

VOTE: drew

[sheepsaysmeep]

snivy can u try to prove urself town just in case

[sheepsaysmeep]

go analyze some ppl or something

[sheepsaysmeep]

our window to hammer before datisi is "falling asleep so will have to do mod stuff in the morning" probably closes soon anyway

[sheepsaysmeep]

I don't think FB would vote Drew right now if they were partners. There's taking it to the edge and there's pushing it off the cliff. It sucks that I think that because I've felt good about each of them being scum but that doesn't make sense

This person is literally just partnered with doctor drew

[sheepsaysmeep]

i still think drew/meryln makes sense and they are just trying to distance each other softly here without pushing each other heavily

Like i would think if either of them were town they would be directly challenging the other on the scum read. Yet they both seem just be like "yeah X is scum" and then inserts a few reasons why. Other doesn't acknoweldge it or care about it.

Like if one of them was town and other is scum i would expect more challenging on the reasons or you know analysis on the reasoning. You are telling me neither is trying to at least analyze the authenticity of the read the other is making on themselves? You don't even need to argue it. I don't see them sorting it.

I have been adamant I have no problem voting Merlyn, but still don't trust Pooky's intentions.

Butt fuck it, let's get real.

VOTE: Merlyn

Pooky, sheep would make the most sense if Rat was killed as a frame job imo.

Oh wait what da fuck

[sheepsaysmeep]

I want to make sure that it’s clear that pooky’s reason it’s not drew/Merlyn is not a good reason imo

I think the 2 mafia come into d2 thinking “we must place a vote on each other at some point.” and of all possible votes on a partner, Drew’s was one of the safest imaginable. Merlyn had 1 vote and firebringer had stated basically no reasoning

Like I’m not 99% tunneled on this. I’m maybe 70% sure. But the one reason used against it is kinda bum

[sheepsaysmeep]

If I get limmed in this game I will start to associate effort with being negative

[sheepsaysmeep]

Not that I think it will have been a causation

[sheepsaysmeep]

It is not bitter I have gotten limmed in most of my mafia games tbh

[sheepsaysmeep]

If we hammer now then I don’t get to see flip until I wake up in like 12 hours

The timing has been all wrong

[sheepsaysmeep]

Guys according to my worldview we are all town here rn isn’t that funny and cool

[sheepsaysmeep]

Guys according to my worldview we are all town here rn isn’t that funny and cool

so is it just meryln/drew like ive been saying

yeah that is my worldview

[sheepsaysmeep]

Oh wow so exciting

[sheepsaysmeep]

Drew bro were u scum

[sheepsaysmeep]

Lmao

[sheepsaysmeep]

Drew/Merlyn would be so weird lol cuz like we were so close on every single day phase and it wasn’t even like they were saving each other

[sheepsaysmeep]

Hold on

[sheepsaysmeep]

[sheepsaysmeep]

I wonder what datisi learned about his setup from this test run

[sheepsaysmeep]

thank you for saying that I am honored

[sheepsaysmeep]

lmao I just 1000% assumed meuh was the kill

[sheepsaysmeep]

somehow this thing is one of the most interesting postgame ive been in

[sheepsaysmeep]

Gg I was here

[sheepsaysmeep]

Thanks for hosting datisi! I rly enjoy ur flavor

[sheepsaysmeep]

lmao

I enjoyed the setup I think, this was one of my first times with the lovers dynamic and it was very fun to solve

I think it was surprisingly quite different from normal mafia. Like I had specific theories about how scum would have to play d1 and I think they ended up being somewhat decent theories

maybe mafia could use something like n0 peeks? Like already knowing these 1-2 people are town from the go. off the top of my head. That might not be the best idea it’s 1:30 am

[sheepsaysmeep]

Yeah my take is that mafia could use some sort of nudge in their favor

like pregame peeks, or like, if they find/guess the other pair they have the chance to link up at least? maybe stacking kills doesn’t cancel each other out?

like maybe my experience was skewed too much by n1 going well lol, but I found mafia lovers in bigger open setup to be much more town-favored than I personally expected. I was able to sit down for an hour or so on the last day and Literally solve the game, like conclude correctly what the exact team basically had to be (even if my process wasn’t super clear and fluent in thread) which I very very very much am incapable of in other sorts of mafia games