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reading

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black seems town this game

hu tao seems like scum

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gamma is town for rhyming

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I'm joking i just thought the rhyme was cute

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oh it's not just one post

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is this a sudden thought black or something that has been stewing for a while

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is this a sudden thought black or something that has been stewing for a while

I've been going back and forth on her slot, but this particular thought has been stewing awhile. I called her out on her lack of action towards me quite a bit D1

so like why the timing on supporting the wagon on me at the same time? the vibe I'm getting is that I'm like katsuki's pet scum read and i don't understand why you're moving to want to support that at the same time as casing a katsuki!scum world

do you have an independent read on my slot or think that we're partnered or anything

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to be blunt, i am worried that 1385 followed to soon after 1361 means you are preparing to throw katsuki under the bus for my elimination

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Your focus on this and you asking this question makes me want to believe it even more

yes i am focused on how people are playing around my wagon

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im actually town reading ccs 12 pages in which basically never happens lol

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i would just generally expect someone who claims to want my elimination to be spending their energies talking about why i am scum

(maybe you have in recent pages and I haven't read that yet)

instead you kind of put a weak vote on me and then spent a bunch of words talking about why katsuki is scum

it's a weird actions don't match your words scenario

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it's probably moot anyway i think im town reading you so whatever

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celebloki stands out as the most likely slot in the game to flip scum as of page 14 or so

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I mean if you haven't read then why are you even saying this? Shade for the sake of it while I am in the middle of nailing two scum together?

I think it is fair to ask about that particular bit of timing even though I haven't read all 50 pages yet

you're one of the slots in this game I actually have the most confidence in getting to a solid read on so apologies but my focus is kind of going to you first

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my initial impression is that katsuki is probably town too and scum aren't doing all that much right now

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oh my god im town it's so funny that you're both fighting over which one of you is definitely partnered with me

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funniest outcome is that you're both scum arguing the other one is partnered with me

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im actually town reading ccs 12 pages in which basically never happens lol

I want you to weigh in on my cCS read when you get there

if you'd like to reiterate it now there's a better chance I'll get to it

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You can focus me, I just hope you understand why it makes me even more paranoid that I'm right about you

i know challenging you makes you go super tunnel OMGUS mode as town Black

i feel like I know you well enough that I could play to pocket you as scum pretty well here black

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don't like jacksonvirgo posting around my slot

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im actually town reading ccs 12 pages in which basically never happens lol

I want you to weigh in on my cCS read when you get there

if you'd like to reiterate it now there's a better chance I'll get to it

I got a similar vibe to mini 2317, mainly

mmm i haven't really seen it, if you have specific comparisons I'll look at them

but snivy seems more full of life here so far

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k im gonna truncate this because i gotta log off for the evening, i'll come back tomorrow to read more and give final reads and such.

right now having skimmed through about half the game

black - gun to head town. I don't feel 100% about this read yet but I think there's enough content in this game that I can get there one way or another. I would like to case this for katsuki if i have time

gamma - she's got that little private investigator vibe where she's running around checking out leads and getting people to check out pocket reads. i think this is town!gamma. lower confidence than black but another slot that I think I can get a very accurate read on given time.

CCS - i think ccs actually shows a lot more life and want to solve in his posts than in his scum games. i have found that CCS as scum generally picks like... a bit, then makes that his defining thing to morph his gameplay around. eg. defending Khaos in that mini Gamma mentioned, or defending Gob in Secrets of the Anuket Topaz. his play is much more varied here and doesn't yet seem to be pursuing a particular purpose

katsuki - more of a mixed read. as I'm reading more I'm concerned about how static their reads are. it seems like dragon/black as scum has been their solve since early d1 and even the flip of naerys didn't shake them at all. but ive been tonally town reading their posts and their interactions with black?

davesaz - someone, i think black mentioned how dave felt stiff this game. tbh, i kind of always read dave as stiff (sorry dave), but he's been considerably looser than the baseline i have for dave in my head in this game? idk he just seems more relaxed. I would lean this town at the moment.

uhhhh there's a bunch of other slots i don't really have thoughts on yet

hu tao i think is scummy. she is taking things at face value i wouldn't expect her to as town and generally playing a more LAMIST game than I have come to expect from her.

celebloki/jackson virgo - celebloki had some very awful early posts, and I have not liked the little bit of JV I've read. their weird dancing / soft defense / soft suspicion of my slot just reads exactly how I'm expecting scum to be playing around my slot, and fits the MO of where I think scum are likely to be positioning if black and katsuki are indeed TvT

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VOTE: jackson virgo

would rather kill a slot that has been sitting back and letting black / katsuki do all the work

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black what comments did i make to make you doubt your read

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celebloki stands out as the most likely slot in the game to flip scum as of page 14 or so

Why do you think this?

posts like 91 empirically come from scum a lot of the time. i don't really know how to explain it in a way that would be convincing but I have played a lot of games and i just have a very keen sense for posts like these

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it's kind of caught for the wrong reasons energy but that's quite it

my best shot at explaining it would be like:

- the words of the post say celebloki is indignant about getting shit for his RVS vote and he doesn't believe he actually did anything wrong
- the unvote and action of the post betrays that celebloki actually feels guilt, or at the very least is not comfortable receiving heat for his actions

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All the power to ya.

I can see Dragon/Black for sure.

Naerys I get too but I wanna make sure I'm not falling into my usual pitfalls with them before I make any stance

Has anybody played with Dragon before?

If either Naerys or Dragon goes out I'd be a-okay

. I'm planning on doing a proper ISO-dive and scum-case on Kitty before day end if I find time. Only reason I'd consolidate my vote is if I feel a wagon I'm not okay with is getting pushed, which atm doesn't seem to be happening

Do you think Naerys or Dragon is more likely to flip scum?

I have been talking about Naerys as the consolidation wagon,

Dragon seems to be slipping through my fingers to be completely honest.

I gotta fix that

assume a world where my slot is town for a second

several very loud voices are pushing me - some or maybe all of them are town. how is scum likely to play around my slot?

probably just like this ^^^^ !

these are four posts spread over 400 posts where JV softly pushes for my elimination, while at the same time repeatedly confirming that they have no real stance on me!

A. i don't understand why from a town perspective I am not a more interesting slot to sort when clearly my slot has been in hot contention for a while
B. i just think scum are likely to not want to get their hands dirty on my elimination if either of black or kazuki are town

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black seems town this game

hu tao seems like scum

Why am I scum?

your focus early game seemed to be more optics focused than I'm used to seeing from you

im also skeptical that you as town came in and decided that was the only thing worth commenting on and decided to vote camel?

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Just look at her tactics to try and convince the game that my read on her is bad. What need is there for townBlack to do this when I'm not even pushing for her nom today, when I've been pretty clear that I want her flipped after a dragondann scumflip?

would you consider that people generally don't like it when other people read them wrong

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While I agree Dragon could be scum here. We should wait for him to check in

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im sorry if im wrong hu tao but every time i read a new post from you in this game it's just like

scum posting 101

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someone pay attention to me i need to talk to someone

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thomith could be a court jester

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i guess scum!black getting cold feet on my wagon makes sense if she thinks my flip right now incriminates her in a bad way

kinda feel like she'd just prefer me dead though

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it means i keep enjoying your posts but thus far your alignment is an elusive puddle of grey goo

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pretty sure 778 is town

kt is more likely town than scum but I wouldn't like be surprised if he was scum

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Wait I think I have that reversed

I think KT is town here and I'm uncertain if kyouko is

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actually idk if either of them are town

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Actually I think that 778 is the first town indicative post in kyouko's whole ISO, not that I think that kyouko is scummy their posts just aren't AI

but I'm seeing a Kitty Tacky / kyouko team forming in front of me

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it means i keep enjoying your posts but thus far your alignment is an elusive puddle of grey goo

Is there anything I can do/answer to help you figure out a read on me?

idk like take some stances on the game? or try to work out what you're thinking in thread?

im reading you like a passive bystander

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I guess I think JV is more likely to be town after catching up

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QUICK JV

GUN TO HEAD WHAT ARE THE ALIGNMENTS OF KATSUKI AND BLACK

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can you elaborate on your bottom 2

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is there a specific reason people believe all scum weren't all on the naerys lim besides arbitrary grouping

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[7] volxen : Flavor Leaf 890, Baezu 903, Slaxx 930, Vedith 1008,

HitAlt

1097,

Alchemist21

1306,

Vorkuta

1374
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Vorkuta

: RCEnigma 722, Something_Smart 1202
[1] Fuscosco : Fuscosco 1050
[1] Slaxx : volxen 1015
[1] Vedith : Ausuka 1242


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With 12 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate

bc im always reminded of this VC from the first game I ever modded when people make arbitrary statements like that

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gamma - she's got that little private investigator vibe where she's running around checking out leads and getting people to check out pocket reads. i think this is town!gamma. lower confidence than black but another slot that I think I can get a very accurate read on given time.

Which posts give this vibe?

your posts asking me and others specifically to look at your CCS read

and it's just a vibe i continued to get from reading your early game

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why is hu tao probably town to you

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Just look at her tactics to try and convince the game that my read on her is bad. What need is there for townBlack to do this when I'm not even pushing for her nom today, when I've been pretty clear that I want her flipped after a dragondann scumflip?

would you consider that people generally don't like it when other people read them wrong

That statement of yours has nothing to do with the words and tactics that were being employed in her posts yesterday.

Also it depends. I love it when people read me wrong when I'm scum.

As town, you should also have no idea if she actually ends up flipping town or scum this game. At the very least, you're making this statement with the assumption that she for sure received a town role PM.

i just think i know how black ticks and i think she is actually much more likely to let sleeping dogs lie in terms of people scum reading her when she's scum versus when she is town

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why is hu tao probably town to you

Do you disagree?

gamma you keep asking me questions answerable by opening my ISO

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i don't really like the CCS wagon at all

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VOTE: hu tao

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VOTE: hu tao

My problem with you right now is that you're voting people that you know likely won't get eliminated

i could eliminate anyone in this game if i wanted to

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okay

dayvig: hu tao

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was i right

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i agree that's a bad reaction

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meh i kind of like how hu tao has been posting around me the last couple pages

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That’s atrocious if real and she flips town

Are dayvigs normal now? I thought they weren't lol

pretty sure if it’s an invention it could be?

how on earth would you know that off the top of your head

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maybe I'm just anti-mech pilled but what

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why are you so convinced hu tao is town

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VOTE: gamma

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is her scum read of you natural

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why your interest in kyouko specifically?

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QUICK JV

GUN TO HEAD WHAT ARE THE ALIGNMENTS OF KATSUKI AND BLACK

Why are you even asking this? I feel if you were really taking my posts to heart you'd know my position on Black was one that was troubling me so this feels disingenuous to a pretty large degree but as of right now, GTH I'd say Town. Katsuki though is Town

i wanted to know what you'd come down on about black if really pressed to

bc i think scum really wants black vs. katsuki to keep happening

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idk overall i think you're a lot less likely to be scum than i did when i initially read the game

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ask fireisredsir he can read me like a book

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So what are you saying? Did you think 778 was KT's post? I'm not sure how you get KT and I confused. Do you SR us, or just "don't TR" us?
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no I didn't mix you up, I was just focusing on the two of you because I hadn't yet and ended up flipping my initial opinion

what your current thoughts are on the Kitty slot? I feel like you keep throwing them out there as possible scum but you have not seemed to really want to hard push there and that's the main thing that threw up alarm bells for me

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Jackson would it be helpful to you if I told you I had a pretty good track record reading Black and I town cased her

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at risk of

Gamma I'm very confident is town. I have no reason to think yet that she can fool my method of reading her so I'm pretty much treating her as a flipped cop's inno

did you share this method anywhere or is this a super secret pocket read

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at risk of outing a super secret method of reading someone*

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I'm asking if a town case from me would help

I know you've had a lot of confliction there but if you're getting there yourself I'm not going to waste time on convincing the game of a popular read

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it's vca

but no one actually understands vca

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I'm asking if a town case from me would help

I know you've had a lot of confliction there but if you're getting there yourself I'm not going to waste time on convincing the game of a popular read

Oh, you said "cased" so I thought it was already said and done and I missed it somehow. If it is just to convince me, then it's not needed but I am wanting to see your thoughts more cuz I believe you're a wolf

is there something specific you want to see from me then

i think ive been pretty transparent but no one has really engaged with a lot of my thoughts

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516 is like, too openly hedgey/opportunistic to come from most scum players. making a post where you list half the game as "no clue" or "willing the vote" is just not good optics *especially* when you've just been run up to e-1

it's a bad look and scum in CCS' position there are going to be especially conscious about looking good

in general i just his posting has been less static than in his scum games

668 and 672 show that CCS seems to genuinely care about the outcome of the day, and frankly i don't think CCS cares that much about the outcome of the day as scum as long as the elimination isn't on scum and he can keep up his gimmick, which is usually over-hard defending a buddy so that it looks towny later

i don't really see CCS pursuing a gimmick here like i've seen him do multiple times as scum

idk i just think in general CCS isn't playing to look good and he seems to care about finding and killing scum

now, why do you scum read him?

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So what are you saying? Did you think 778 was KT's post? I'm not sure how you get KT and I confused. Do you SR us, or just "don't TR" us?
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no I didn't mix you up, I was just focusing on the two of you because I hadn't yet and ended up flipping my initial opinion

what your current thoughts are on the Kitty slot? I feel like you keep throwing them out there as possible scum but you have not seemed to really want to hard push there and that's the main thing that threw up alarm bells for me

1158 covers that - the one that kinda got skipped when the game blew up. I just realized there have been 700 posts in 2 days

I think looking for the scum on the wagon right now is not the move - there were 4 off-wagon - I hard TR Gamma so finding 1-2 scum amongst 3 is vastly preferable to me than finding 1-2 scum amongst 6 where I could easily be wrong about some of the TRs I have on the wagon

this is very arbitrary kyouko

pick any set of 4 players you want to find scum in

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like literally yes there are good odds there is at least 1 scum in any set of 4 players you arbitrarily choose due to probability

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do you have an opinion on her reaction to me / hu tao pushing her a few pages ago

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now, why do you scum read him?

I don't, I think they're Town. You said opportunistic which I don't agree with, but everything else is exactly why I am town-reading them so I'm a little taken aback. It's like seeing my own feelings spoken back to me, crazy stuff.

Just to get a more complete picture, why is Gamma wolf?

i don't really think gamma is all that likely to be scum right now I just voted there to see her reaction

I'm actually having some trouble finding likely scum candidates that feel satisfying

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i have this awkward leftover pool of [davesaz, kittytacky, thomith] but that doesn't really feel like a scum team to me

I guess I should probably seriously consider katsuki more

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thomith do you have a post or posts where you explain why you're town reading me slot / dragon? that's a surprisingly against the grain read

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ehhhh I'm leaning Gamma town for the reaction

I think Gamma tends to react extremely emotionally when pressured (especially by surprise) as either alignment but it... reads a little faker when she's scum? I think she's also less likely to care about people pushing her in general as scum

the jump to "Hu Tao you suck as town" feels pretty raw and real and I don't really imagine scum!Gamma would actually feel frustrated enough to go there

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My TR on Dragon grew stronger because of how quickly his wagon grew early on today.

I don't really like this :/

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VOTE: thomith

i think this has the highest chance of flipping scum

pedit: pushing something

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I think that's 2 people now that said they wanted to vote Dragon but didn't because he was already at E-2.
The fact he has enough people wanting to vote him to hammer already is giving me pause.

I feel like he's either getting hard bussed, or this is a townie scum want out of the game.

I feel like there's probably at least 1 scum on him right now either way.

idk i don't like the number of posts defending my slot because of the amount of consensus and/or speed of the wagon

I think it's pretty natural for town who see their town reads being run up to want to defend them, but they usually have play arguments to defend with

all thomith seems to use is wagonomics and I don't really see anything in their posts that reads like they are really trying to *convince* anyone of their town read on me - despite having me as their top town read?

It even kinda seems like they are trying to talk Black out of their about face on me, which is really weird from someone who, again, already has me as their top town read

it reads like they want my wagon to go through by want to keep their hands clean and that's the position I'd most expect scum to take up with how this day phase has unfolded

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also just in general i get the most feeling of

null / emptiness reading thomith's posts versus anyone else in the game

like they aren't trying to step on too many toes

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I could vote davesaz but I'm less interested in wagoning someone who isn't active

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VOTE: kyouko

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this argument is not productive tbh

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bzzzzt incorrect

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Why are you voting kyouko? If you scumread her, what’s your case?

i don't have a case

im just not town reading her and would like to get a wagon going on someone I'm not town reading

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i think ive been holding back tbh for how sick i am of people not bothering to read me because it's too hard

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But Dann I'm just wary of on principle. I'm not sure if I'm convinced he couldn't have the same catch-up as scum, which I say because ignoring Dragon, and taking off Dann's nameplate, I think I'd TR him.

I feel like I would lean Dann town in isolation but he’s kinda a player I just hold judgment on until most often I see a solid scumtell, I rarely feel good about Dann!town

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i think ive been holding back tbh for how sick i am of people not bothering to read me because it's too hard

Which players do you think have been doing that?

Also because I wouldn't want you to be upset, I'll say that I read you as scum.

yeah i dont have a problem with you

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at least i think if you're scum the way you're playing and presenting yourself today is pretty counter-intuitive and not likely to allow you to endgame

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yeah

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VOTE: katsuki

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VOTE: katsuki

Do you just not care if you live or die? This feels like it’s killing the likelihood that anyone other than you gets voted out.

i disagree

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i care about voting scum and im confident i can case it when needed

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i care about voting scum and im confident i can case it when needed

well you have yet to post a case

im busy atm

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black is town

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are you saying you think it's me/black too kyouko

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just hammer me then huh

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sorry i tried

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black and gamma - never touch

don't let katsuki end game

i still think ccs is probably town but eh im not invested enough in this game to stake my life on that read

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gg wp

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D2: Dunn, with 2 wolves on wagon.

dunnflor

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there is a difference between a setup being swingy and imbalanced

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i don't know

there are like a fairly large number of worlds where scum are basically dead in the water because they can't get any kills through at all and the ones they do get through may not be on the targets they want

in which case i feel like people would be calling this setup town sided