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Post Post #0 (isolation #0) » Mon Dec 08, 2003 12:23 pm

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Current Agenda:
Abandon ship!


MUNSCM 001: MABM Utilization - submitter: Chile (shadyforce) - FAILED
MUNSCM 002: Weapons Inspectors - submitter: United Kingdom (PolarBoy) - FAILED

MUNSCM 003: MABM Utilization II - submitter: United Kingdom (PolarBoy)
- PASSED in entirety

MUNSCM 009: Oddsmaking - submitter: Benin (the silent speaker)
- PASSED in entirety

MUNSCM 010: Vetoes and Inspectors - submitter: USA (Vraak X)
- PASSED in entirety

MUNSCM 007: Romania - submitter: Phillipines (massive) - FAILED

MUNSCM 011: Nuclear Strike & Sundry - submitter: UK (PolarBoy)
MUNSCM 012: Ban on Nuclear Strike - submitter: Algeria (mikehart)

Speaker's list: please see current page.

Alive (15/15)


Currently have Power of Veto:

Flying Dutchman (replacing Werebear) - China
Dasquian (replacing bloojay (replacing Phoebus)) - France
mole (replacing dragonmaster (replacing Caveman (replacing Fishbulb))) - Russian Federation
PolarBoy - United Kingdom
Vraak X (replacing Talitha) - United States

mikehart (replacing Leonidas) - Algeria
Narninian (replacing Diotima (replacing God)) - Angola
the silent speaker (replacing bigbenwd (replacing Quagmire)) - Benin
EnPaceRequiescat - Brazil
shadyforce - Chile
mathcam - Germany
treznor(replacing NanooktheWolf (replacing melchizedek (replacing Dragon Phoenix))) - Pakistan
massive - Philippines
ZONEACE - Romania
Uraj45 (replacing Thoth) - Spain

Nuclear Wastelands (0/15)
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Post Post #1 (isolation #1) » Mon Dec 08, 2003 12:23 pm

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Welcome to the first Assembly of Model United Nations Security Council Mafia (MUNSCM). The 15 members comprise of the 5 permanent members and 10 members serving 2-year terms. The 10 non-permanent members are those that will be serving in 2004.

A time of great crisis is upon us, delegates. Rumours of nuclear weapons proliferation explicitly against numerous security council resolutions are rampant. As the highest committee and only decision-making body in the UN, it is your responsibility to deal with the crisis.

This much is known about the crisis:

[1] THREE Security Council Member Nations have formed a secret coalition, an axis of evil.
[2] Every night, the axis of evil will launch a nuclear strike against a country, potentially destroying it.
[3] Every day, the Security Council must pass a resolution directing (or forbidding) a sanctioned nuclear attack upon a member nation, destroying it. It must then adjourn for the day, at which time the attack will be launched.
[4] UN Procedures must be followed at all times.
[5] Obey Mafiascum's offcial rules at all times, except where explicitly contradicted here.

UN Procedures:

SECTION I - RESOLUTIONS

1. The Security Council is the only body of the UN with the authority to enforce resolutions it passes. Thus, any resolution passed becomes law, and its clauses must be followed explicitly. Failure to comply will result in sanctions as determined by the Secuity Council.

2. Resolutions may contain any amount of preamble, which cannot contain any operative clauses.

3. Resolutions must contain at least 1 operative clause, and may contain as many distinct operative clauses as required.

4. Operative Clauses should begin with a verb, in the present tense, which may be anything from "suggest" to "requires".

5. Resolutions may be submitted at any time by ONE member by PM, and will be added to the end of the agenda. The resolution will be listed on the agenda only by title. The suggested time to work on major resolutions is at night.

6. When the Council opens debate on a resolution, the submitting member will post the entirety of the resolution (this is the first time the resolution is officially presented in whole). The submitter may NOT speak in favour of the resolution at this time. Instead, they must wait for their turn on the speaker's list. The speaker's list is not opened until either a) I open it or b) a seconder speaks in favour of the resolution.

7. The Speaker's List will be opened. To get on the speakers list, post in thread or through PM. To submit ammendments, you must be on the speakers list.

8. Immediately after the resolution is posted, a member may announce they are the "seconder" of the resolution. They must support the resolution to be the seconder. They should now speak in favour of the resolution.

9. Any other member may now ask "Point of Information directed towards the speaker:" followed by a question. You do not need to wait for an answer before you or another member state may ask another question, but there will be a limit to the number of questions that may be asked of a speaker.

10. The Speaker should answer each question in turn, without digressing excessively. When there are no more questions, or the question limit is reached, the speaker should announce they are stepping down.

11. The next speaker should then speak in favour or opposed or about the resolution in general, OR propose any ammendments. Repeat steps 9 and 10 for each speaker, until the speaker's list is exhausted, or debate is closed. Member Nations may be on the speaker's list only once at a time, once they have spoken they may get back on.

11. a) If the speaker wishes to propose ammendments, they may do so, and should speak in favour of their ammendments. Ammendments may be any combination of: adding clauses, rewording clauses, striking clauses. Once they have presented the ammendments and spoken in favour of their ammendments, they must step down.

11. b) Immediately following the presentation of an ammendment, ONE member nations may announce they are speaking in favour of the ammendment (and then speak), and TWO member nations may announce they are speaking opposed to the ammendment (and then speak).

11. c) Once the THREE members speak of the ammendments, we go to voting procedures for the ammendment.

11. d) Upon completion of voting, return to the speaker's list for the next speaker on the resolution.

12. Once debate is closed, we go to voting procedures on the resolution.

13. Upon completion of voting, debate on the resolution is completed, and the next item on the agenda is considered.

SECTION II - VOTING FOR AMMENDMENTS/RESOLUTIONS

1. Once in voting procedures, member nations may immediately vote "in favour", "opposed", or "abstain". Members may not discuss during voting, and may not change their votes UNLESS...

2. At any time before voting is completed, a member may bring a "point of order". If this Point of Order is related to voting and is passed, all votes prior to it being suggested are nullified.

3. Ammendments and Resolutions are considered passed if a majority of members NOT ABSTAINING vote in favour. That is, those abstaining give their votes to the side with more votes. For instance, 6 in favour, 5 opposed and 4 abstensions passes.

4. If any member nation with the power of veto votes against a resolution or ammendment it fails, UNLESS that resolution or ammendment explcitly names that nation and only that nation.

SECTION III - POINTS OF ORDER

1. At any time, a member may bring forth a point of order. Discussion should immediately stop on the current resolution, and member nations should immediately vote "in favour" or "opposed" to the motion, noting there are no abstensions.
This is being removed from the rules:
HOWEVER, voting should not begin if the point of order is on the non-trivial list


2. Trivial points of order, upon which voting should immediately begin, include:
- motions to begin the session (at the beginning of the day).
- motions to open debate of the FIRST item on the agenda.
- motions to extend or limit the number of points of information per speaker.

3. Trivial points of order WHICH PERTIAN TO VOTING, upon which voting should immediately begin, include:
- motions to separate the clauses (into 2 or more groups, upon which the SC will vote separately, which must be specified in the motion)
- motions to vote clause by clause

4. NON-TRIVIAL points of order, in which the motioner should speak in favour and ONE member nation should speak opposed to are:
- motions to ammend the Agenda (the manner in which must be specified)
- motions to Shelve Debate (stop debating the current resolution and put it at the end of the Agenda)
- motions to Caucus (go to informal debate, that is, removes all procedures, for a specified amount of time)
- motions to Censure (put a posting ban on an unruly delegate).
- motions to Close Debate (vote on resolution)
- motions to Adjourn (ends the day. Note that the council may not adjourn unless a resolution has passed requiring or prohibiting a nuclear attack. It also needn't adjourn immediately after passing this resolution, but it may only attack one country per day).
- motions to Reconsider (re-open debate on a resolution that has already been voted on.) You must garner 2/3 support to pass a motion to reconsider.


5. Other Points of Order may come up as the delegates see fit.

SECTION IV - POINTS OF INFORMATION DIRECTED TOWARDS THE CHAIR.

1. At any time a member nations may direct a question at the chair using this motion. The chair will answer the question at their earliest convenience.

SECTION V - SPECIAL TEAMS

1. The Security Council has 2 Special Teams: weapons inspectors and mobile anti-ballistic missile shields.

2. Every day, a resolution MAY be passed which allows the weapons inspectors to enter one country, and give a report to ONE country. The inspection takes place at night.

3. Every day, a resolution MAY be passed which allows the deployment of the MABM in one country. A country which has MABM deployed in it may not be attacked until the next day.
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Post Post #2 (isolation #2) » Mon Dec 08, 2003 12:24 pm

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SAMPLE RESOLUTION

Noting
that mafia games are lots of fun, but can take forever, especially when new rules are added;

Acknowledging
some players like to play at a quicker pace;

Also Noting
some players like guidance;

1.
Suggests
the council pass a resolution determining reasonable time limits at key junctures;

2.
Strongly Suggests
the council pass a resolution that uses their special teams;

3.
Requires
the council pass a resolution that deals with the use of nuclear weapons every day;

4.
Requires
every member nation become signatories to the "Confirm or be Replaced" petition within 72 hours;

submitted by the Chair!
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Post Post #3 (isolation #3) » Mon Dec 08, 2003 12:29 pm

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Confirm. If you didn't receive a PM, you are INNOCENT!

Note, some innocents may have received a PM for some reason or another. So don't go being stupid now. You may also ask questions of the chair now in an informal way without getting chair-slapped.
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Post Post #20 (isolation #4) » Tue Dec 09, 2003 5:59 am

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The resolution proposed by the chair is considered passed at this point, considering it is rather inane. Rather, it is a good simple example of what you should be writing. Currently there is no Agenda, which will make for a boring first day. However, if there are no resolutions submitted by day, I suggest you guys move to go to Caucus so that you can discuss resolutions.
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Post Post #21 (isolation #5) » Tue Dec 09, 2003 10:18 am

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Awaiting 2 confirmations. Still Night.

Current Agenda (to be discusses during the day...):

MUNSCM 001: MABM Utilization - submitter: shadyforce
MUNSCM 002: Weapons Inspectors - submitter: PolarBoy
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Post Post #24 (isolation #6) » Wed Dec 10, 2003 4:45 am

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Night will end soon. You can submit resolutions at any time. They will simply be added to the end of the Agenda.
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Post Post #25 (isolation #7) » Wed Dec 10, 2003 6:28 am

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Tricked you! No night choices night 1, as you may have guessed. Instead, only a underwater nuclear explosion was detected in the Pacific, and eerie warning of times to come.

So, delegates, it is day, you are all alive, and I am entertaining motions to open this first session of MUNSCM. (Hint: say "Point of Order: I move to open this session of MUNSCM". Then, anyone who wishes to start playing should say "In favour". See how easy this is? :D )
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Post Post #28 (isolation #8) » Wed Dec 10, 2003 7:15 am

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I think that motion is very much in order, delegate from the United Kingdom. If it so pleases the council, I will allow it to pass immediately. (Hint: I can do this for very trivial motions. Of course, you can move against me if you think you can garner the support. In most cases, I will wait for it to pass.)

I declare this first session of MUNSCM I officially open. Please see below for the current agenda. If there are no other motions, we will move to the first item on the agenda. I will now entertain motions to ammend the Agenda, OR encourage the delegate from Chile to present his resolution.

Current Agenda:

MUNSCM 001: MABM Utilization - submitter: Chile (shadyforce)
MUNSCM 002: Weapons Inspectors - submitter: United Kingdom (PolarBoy)
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Post Post #29 (isolation #9) » Wed Dec 10, 2003 9:46 am

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Delegates, please see Section I - Resolutions - Rule 6 for a rule clarification.
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Post Post #31 (isolation #10) » Wed Dec 10, 2003 9:49 am

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Oh, how convenient.
The speaker's list is now open.
You may get on the speaker's list in thread, or through PM, simply be requesting you be on the list. If you wish to submit an ammendment, you do not need to tell me ahead of time, but be careful to follow procedures.

I will now entertain a seconder in favour of this resolution. If you want to second this resolution, you may speak on it immediately.
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Post Post #35 (isolation #11) » Wed Dec 10, 2003 10:56 am

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Delegate from Benin, please speak immediately in favour. Once Quagmire is finished, anyone may ask points of information. Once you are done answering questions (say, you don't want to anymore) you should announce you are stepping down. In the future, when you second, you do not have to wait to speak.
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Post Post #37 (isolation #12) » Wed Dec 10, 2003 3:58 pm

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Submitter: Chile
Seconder:
Benin
< current Speaker

Speaker's List:

Chile
Algeria
Angola
Pakistan
Spain
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Post Post #40 (isolation #13) » Wed Dec 10, 2003 5:35 pm

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Thank you, delegate from Benin. Now, anyone may ask points of information of the speaker (HINT: ask "Point of Information directed towards the speaker: [your question here]". Then Quagmire, you should answer the question. When you are done answering questions, announce you are stepping down. You do not have to answer any questions. Other delegates, do not bother waiting for an answer, that will take too long. If you have another question, feel free to ask as well, using the same format. Quagmire, you should answer each question in turn, perhaps by addressing the delegate you are answering.)

Also, I have updated the speaker's list.
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Post Post #47 (isolation #14) » Thu Dec 11, 2003 7:37 am

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Delegate from Benin, please respond at your earliest convenience. Also, if there are no more points of information within a few hours of his answer, I would suggest the first speaker on the speaker's list come forward, and speak on the resolution.
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Post Post #49 (isolation #15) » Thu Dec 11, 2003 12:09 pm

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Thank you, delegate from Benin. I now call on the first speaker on the speaker's list, Chile, to speak on this resolution. As soon as the delegate has finished speaking, other delegates may ask points of information.
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Post Post #64 (isolation #16) » Fri Dec 12, 2003 7:36 am

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Delegate from Chile, you are out of order. Once you have begun speaking on the resolution, you may not submit an ammendment for it. This is an either/or situation.

Also, speakers, after their original speach on a resolution, should take great care to only answer questions, and not digress substantially. I would like to commend the delegate from Chile for following these procedures, as he sets an example for all delegates.

But you are still out of order. Only someone futher down the speaker's list may submit an ammendment. And, when submitting an ammendment, may not speak on the resolution, but only on the ammendment, as outlined in procedures.

MUNSCM 001
Submitter: Chile
Seconder: Benin

Speaker's List:

Chile < current Speaker
Algeria
Angola
Pakistan
Spain
United Kingdom
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Post Post #66 (isolation #17) » Fri Dec 12, 2003 7:48 am

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Delegate from Germany, such a resolution would be permissable and enforceable. The Security Council has enormous power.
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Post Post #70 (isolation #18) » Fri Dec 12, 2003 9:56 am

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Delegate from United Kingdom, your vote is out of order, and will not be recorded. Of course, this doesn't mean you can't say it, a small amount of "heckling" is permissable.

Delegate from Germany, as suspected, you are out of order. But thank you for reminding the delegates of procedure.

I need a speaker opposed to this motion. Please speak immediately. Once they have spoken, voting will begin immediately. Recall there are no abstensions on points of order.
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Post Post #71 (isolation #19) » Fri Dec 12, 2003 2:06 pm

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If there is no speaker against this motion I will have to rule it in order...
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Post Post #73 (isolation #20) » Fri Dec 12, 2003 4:09 pm

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Delegate from Algeria, you are out of order. You should address the motion. In particular, why should we NOT close debate on this resolution?
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Post Post #75 (isolation #21) » Fri Dec 12, 2003 4:28 pm

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Err... ok. Delegates, please vote on the motion to close debate on this resolution and procede to voting procedures.

Delegate from Germany automatically votes in favour, and
Delegate from Algeria automatically votes opposed.
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Post Post #85 (isolation #22) » Sat Dec 13, 2003 10:05 am

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I believe there has been substantial confusion about the difference between a MOTION, an AMMENDMENT, and a RESOLUTION.

MUNSCM 001, as currently proposed, is a RESOLUTION.

The attempt to rewrite MUNSCM 001 is an ammendment, although is must be submitted by someone else.

The point of order by the delegate from Germany to Close debate is a MOTION.

When the delegate from Germany moved to close debate, discussion on the resolution should have immediately stopped. Thus, delegate from Algeria, it was not your turn to speak on the resolution. Rather, by stepping forward, you were speaking opposed to the MOTION to close debate. IF debate is closed, we will then vote on the actual resolution. IF debate is not closed, we will return to the speaker's list. Currently, the delegate from Chile is still the speaker, until they announce they are stepping down.


Now, to address current issues:

Delegate from Algeria, you were not speaking on the resolution, you were supposed to be speaking on the motion.

Delegate from Brazil, you are out of order; you many not address delegates other than the speaker! (Although I can understand the confusion)

Delegate from Algeria, you remain out of order.

The motion to close debate on this resolution currently has

4 in favour (Romania, Phillipines, Algeria, Germany)
3 opposed (France, Brazil, Chile)

The only thing delegates should be doing right now is voting for or against closing debate on this resolution. As stated above, if debate is closed, we will then vote on the resolution.

One more thing, vetos are worth nothing in procedural matters such as this one. That is, even though France has opposed this MOTION, it doesn't fail. Vetos can only be used on AMMENDMENTS and RESOLUTIONS.
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Post Post #94 (isolation #23) » Mon Dec 15, 2003 12:44 pm

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With 8 votes in favour, this motion passes. Debate on Resolution MUNSCM 001 is officially CLOSED.

We will now go to voting procedures. If there any any motions pertaining to voting on the floor, I will hear them now. Otherwise, here is the resolution as proposed:

MUNSCM 001: MABM Utilization


Noting
that defenses left unused are a waste of resources;

Acknowledging
the randomness of night doc protection early in the game;

Noting
that most decisions are made on a first come first serve basis;

1.
Requires
that the United Nations Mobile Anti-Ballistic missiles be placed in Chile until further notice



ALL DELEGATES: PLEASE VOTE ON THIS RESOLUTION NOW!

You may vote in favour, opposed, or abstain.
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Post Post #98 (isolation #24) » Mon Dec 15, 2003 2:39 pm

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And with the power of veto, the USA has officially made MUNSCM 001 fail.

I will entertain motions to ammend the Agenda, if there were more than one resolution on it... so instead we will go straight to the next resolution. Will the sbmitter of MUNSCM 002, the United Kingdom, please present their resolution.
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Post Post #99 (isolation #25) » Mon Dec 15, 2003 4:06 pm

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Quagmire, delegate from Benin, has been replaced by bigbenwd, delegate from Benin.
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Post Post #102 (isolation #26) » Tue Dec 16, 2003 3:40 am

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Delegate from Chile, you are out of order. What motion? :D

For all concerned delegates, the delegate from Benin requested to be replaced, he wasn't chair-whacked or anything like that.

Delegate from the United Kingdom, please present your resolution. Once he has submitted his resolution, another delegate may second, and then immediately speak on the resolution.
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Post Post #104 (isolation #27) » Tue Dec 16, 2003 4:52 am

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Thank you delegate from the United Kingdom. You may now step down.

The speaker's list is now open.


I call upon any delegate to second this resolution, and ask that they speak immediately in favour of this resolution. Once the seconder has spoken, all delegates may begin asking points of information, until the speaker steps down.

I would also like to note that if the weapons inspectors are not required to give a report to a specific nation, they will not give the report. They are a lazy bunch. Note that the resolution cannot be changed without an ammendment, so it may be in the Council's best interest to consider an ammendment.
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Post Post #105 (isolation #28) » Tue Dec 16, 2003 4:59 am

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Oh, and this is a good example of a resolution that will pass even if China votes against it, as it specifically mentions China by name, and only China, thus nullifying their veto power for this resolution and most ammendments pertaining to it.
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Post Post #108 (isolation #29) » Tue Dec 16, 2003 5:36 am

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Delegate from Pakistan, you are out of order. There is no speaker right now! Implicitly, I instruct the delegate from the United Kingdom not to answer.

Indeed, the submitter of the resolution must immediately step down, and once a seconder speaks, they become the speaker. You may ask your point of information of the seconder, once someone chooses to second.
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Post Post #112 (isolation #30) » Tue Dec 16, 2003 6:09 am

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Thank you delegate from the Phillipines. You now stand for points of information.

I call upon all delegates to ask points of information directed towards the delegate from the Phillipines. When you are finished massive, please announce you are stepping down.
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Post Post #118 (isolation #31) » Tue Dec 16, 2003 8:42 am

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Delegate from Chile, you are out of order. You do not propose ammendments through points of order. Rather, you request to be on the speaker's list, and when it is time for you to speak, you officially present your ammendment and speak on it. Then, without standing for points of information, another delegate should immediately speak opposed to the ammendment. Then we vote on the ammendment.

I will add you to the speaker's list, so that it looks like this:

Submitter - UK
Seconder - Phillipines < current speaker

SPEAKER's LIST

Chile
United States of America
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Post Post #123 (isolation #32) » Tue Dec 16, 2003 10:57 am

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Delegate from Angola, your vote is out of order, and will not be recorded.

Delegate from Angola, your request to be added to the speaker's list and the reasons for it are inconsistent. You cannot propose a resolution from the speaker's list. Rather, you can tell me you are submitting a resolution, and it will be added to the Agenda (is this what you meant?)
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Post Post #128 (isolation #33) » Wed Dec 17, 2003 6:58 am

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Thank you delegate from the Phillipines. I now call on the delegate from Chile to speak (although I understand he has an ammendment to propose).
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Post Post #129 (isolation #34) » Wed Dec 17, 2003 7:00 am

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Submitter - UK
Seconder - Phillipines

SPEAKER's LIST

Chile < current speaker
United States of America
Benin
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Post Post #131 (isolation #35) » Wed Dec 17, 2003 9:29 am

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Thank you delegate from Chile. I remind all delegates that you may not actually ask any points of information of this speaker, and as outlined in procedures, the delegate from Chile must step down.

I now call upon one speaker in favour of the ammendment, and two speakers opposed. If you would like to speak in favour, please do so immediately. If you would like to speak opposed, please do so immediately. You may not ask points of information towards any of the delegates who speak. However, if you do choose to be one of the speakers on this ammendment, you may address points in previous speaches, but no questions will be answered.

Once all three have spoken, we will immediately go to voting procedures on this ammendment. I hope this is clear? (HINT: The speaker's list is suspended... we are in ammedment mode now. Once three delegates speak on the ammendment, we vote on it. THEN we go to the next speaker on the list, USA)
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Post Post #135 (isolation #36) » Wed Dec 17, 2003 9:53 am

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Thank you delegate from Germany. I still require 2 speakers opposed now.
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Post Post #137 (isolation #37) » Wed Dec 17, 2003 2:17 pm

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Thank you delegate from Benin. One more speaker opposed, then all delegates should immediately vote on the ammendment.
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Post Post #140 (isolation #38) » Thu Dec 18, 2003 5:07 am

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Delegate from Spain, you are out of order. Please address the chair formally. Once the ammendment has been voted on (after one last speaker opposed), we return directly to debating the resolution, as it now stands with or without the ammendment. Specifically, we will return to the next speaker on the speaker's list: USA. There is also no limit to how many times you can speak, as long as you follow procedures.

Now, I still require one delegate to speak opposed. If no one else speaks opposed, I will be force to acclaim this ammendment without a vote.
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Post Post #143 (isolation #39) » Thu Dec 18, 2003 5:39 am

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Thank you delegate from the United Kindgom.

We now go to voting procedures on the ammendment, which is:

"
China
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a nation with veto power (if possible) randomly chosen by the Chair, and not investigated on a previous night, the results of which should be revealed if and only if it is guilty or innocent and the nation in question has a motion targeted at him for a sanctioned nuclear strike
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in the current resolution.

PLEASE VOTE ON THIS AMMENDMENT NOW!
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Post Post #153 (isolation #40) » Thu Dec 18, 2003 10:26 am

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Submitter - UK
Seconder - Phillipines

SPEAKER's LIST

Chile < current speaker (VOTING ON AMMENDMENT)
United Kingdom


7 in favour (Chile, Romania,
France
,
Russia
, Spain,
USA
, Pakistan)

2 opposed (Germany, Phillipines)

0 abstensions


Please continue voting. All countries with power of veto must vote before this ammendment can be passed.
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Post Post #159 (isolation #41) » Sun Dec 21, 2003 4:01 pm

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By the power of Veto, the United Kingdom had cause this ammendment to fail.

I now call on the next speaker on the speaker's list, United States of America.
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Post Post #162 (isolation #42) » Mon Dec 22, 2003 10:41 am

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Thank you delegate from the United States of America. The chair apologizes for the error. The next speaker has also been removed, so I now call on the delegate from the United Kingdom, who has just left the hall...

So... I will remove the delegate from the speaker's list, which brings us to the end of the speaker's list. Anyone may immediately join the speaker's list, and speak on the resolution, or I will entertain a motion to close debate on this resolution.
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Post Post #165 (isolation #43) » Sat Dec 27, 2003 3:33 pm

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Thank you delegate from Germany. Delegates may continue to ask points of information.
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Post Post #171 (isolation #44) » Fri Jan 02, 2004 10:00 am

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Decorum delegates. You will treat each other with dignity and respect.

Delegate from Phillipines, you are out of order. Please do not propose motions at a set time in the future. Instead, you can move we go to caucus immediately.
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Post Post #200 (isolation #45) » Thu Jan 15, 2004 7:30 am

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Hello.

The chair recognizes the motion to go to caucus Immediately, but since no amount of time was specified, the chair will impose and arbitrary length of 48 hours from the time it passes (if it passes).

Delegate from the Phillipines, this motion does not require a seconder. Instead, you should vote in favour.

Thank you delegate from the United Kingdom for speaking opposed to the motion. Voting will now open on the motion to immediately go to caucus for 48 real time hours.

Delegate from Brazil, you are out of order. The delegate from the United Kingdom is not speaking on the resolution. They are simply speaking on a proposed motion.

Delegate from the United Kingdom, you are out of order for answering.

...

Now, since it is clear that there is no interest in the motion to go to caucus, I am entertaining the motion to close debate.

And since there are 8 votes, we'll skip the part about speaking against closing debate, on I will annouce debate closed.

We now go to voting procedures on this resolution. Please vote on Resolution 002 as it stands, which is how it was originally proposed. A delegate with more time could be so kind as to find it and post it here.

PLEASE VOTE NOW ON RESOLUTION 002, as proposed by the United Kingdom. You may vote in favour, opposed, or abstain.


Finally, I'm replacing Werebear, by request. I have one in line. This should not take long.

Sorry about the pace. The holidays and this country are ruining things! I didn't think it would be this chaotic!
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Post Post #208 (isolation #46) » Fri Jan 16, 2004 10:36 am

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By the USA voting opposed to the resolution, it officially fails.

We are now in "limbo" between resolutions, and the only things we can do are procedural, like ammend the Agenda. Please note the updated Agenda on Front page.

I am entertaining the motion to enter into caucus for 48 real time hours. A delegate who wishes to may speak opposed to the motion. Otherwise, please continue voting on the motion.

Also, I ask the submitter of the next resolution, United Kingdom, to PREPARE to submit their resolution, but not do so until the current motion on the floor fails, or caucus ends.

Finally, Diatoma is replacing Werebear. If there are any other people who actually wish to be replaced, please let me know.
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Post Post #210 (isolation #47) » Fri Jan 16, 2004 10:47 am

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Oops... jumped the gun. Flying Dutchman will replace Werebear. Flying Dutchman = China. Again, I do have extra replacement players, in case there is anyone else who wants out... :(
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Post Post #219 (isolation #48) » Mon Jan 19, 2004 7:24 am

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Well, we will see if we still have 15 willing players when the next round of replacements comes through. I admit it is very different... perhaps much more suited to a real'time chat game.

Back to the motion. Votes for motions will be counted regardless of whether a speaker steps forward to speak against. Really, it is just an opportunity to actually SPEAK against the motion. Once 8 people vote in favour, caucus can begin.

Umm... we need a couple more replacements for anynone watching.
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Post Post #221 (isolation #49) » Tue Jan 20, 2004 7:11 am

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I officially announce the beginning of Caucus. All procedures have been lifted for the next 48 hours. Say productive things!

bloojay will replace Phoebus
Diotima will replace God

To those new players, you will have received an email if you are evil. Otherwise, you are innocent.

So, the current player list is...

Flying Dutchman (replacing Werebear) - China
bloojay (replacing Phoebus) - France
Fishbulb - Russian Federation
PolarBoy - United Kingdom
Talitha - United States

Leonidas - Algeria
Diotima (replacing God) - Angola
bigbenwd (replaced Quagmire) - Benin
EnPaceRequiescat - Brazil
shadyforce - Chile
mathcam - Germany
Dragon Phoenix - Pakistan << passively seeking replacement
massive - Philippines
ZONEACE - Romania
Thoth - Spain


Again, we're in Caucus. Talk talk talk!
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Post Post #254 (isolation #50) » Thu Jan 22, 2004 7:35 am

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Caucus is CLOSED!

I will entertain motions to extend caucus, and I will entertain motions to ammend the Agenda.

Noting (I'm not going to update the front page quite yet) that resolution 006, The China Plan, has been added to the end of the Agenda (submitted by Flying Dutchman)
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Post Post #261 (isolation #51) » Fri Jan 23, 2004 7:22 am

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Delegate from Germany, the delegate from China, as pointed out, is not "the speaker", and so your question is out of order, and thus never existed.

Thank you delegate from China for proposing a motion in a very professional way.

Thank you delegate from UK for speaking against the motion in a very professional way.

Please continue voting on this motion.

(Yes! We're getting into the swing of things now, eh?)
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Post Post #263 (isolation #52) » Sat Jan 24, 2004 5:51 am

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Delegate from China, there is no speaker's list, as we are currently not discussing a resolution. Delegates should be voting on the motion.
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Post Post #276 (isolation #53) » Fri Jan 30, 2004 7:05 am

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You cannot veto a motion, as outlined in procedures. 6 opposed, 2 in favour of the motion to ammend the Agenda. If this motion does fail with 8 votes, I urge the submitter of the next resolution, the UK, to quickly submit their resolution.

Diotima, I will send/resend. God, this is your replacement, as noted a few pages ago.

Front page updated with player list. Did I miss anyone else who needed replacing?
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Post Post #283 (isolation #54) » Tue Feb 03, 2004 7:18 am

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The motion to ammend the Agenda fails.

Thank you delegate from the UK for submitting resolution 003.

Thank you delegate from Germany for seconding the resolution.

The speaker's list is now open


Germany is the current Speaker. All delegates may ask points of information of the speaker.
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Post Post #285 (isolation #55) » Wed Feb 04, 2004 7:15 am

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melchizedek is replacing DP, delegate from Pakistan, effective immediately.

Delegate from the Phillipines, I will add you to the speaker's list, but at this point you do not need to specify your position. You don't even need a position. Unlike an ammedment, or motion.
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Post Post #286 (isolation #56) » Fri Feb 06, 2004 7:23 am

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Well, there seems to be no interest in this speaker, so I will ask the delegate from Germany to step down, and call upon the next delegate on the speaker's list, the delegate from the Phillipines.
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Post Post #291 (isolation #57) » Mon Feb 09, 2004 7:19 am

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That brings us to the end of the speaker's list. Any delegate who wishes to speak may add themselves to the speakers list, and then speak immediately.

In 24 hours, if there are no new speakers, I will close debate on this resolution, and we will vote on it.
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Post Post #297 (isolation #58) » Tue Feb 10, 2004 7:29 am

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The chair recognizes the delegate from Chile as the speaker.

Delegate from the United Kingdom, assuming Resolution 003 were to pass, the chair would NOT, for the purposes of the game, have access to the investigation result. Instead, the report would be sealed until delivered to the chosen country.

Delegates may continue to ask POIs of the speaker, and delegates may continue to request to be added to the speaker's list.

Please note the additional resolutions added to the agenda on the first page.
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Post Post #299 (isolation #59) » Wed Feb 11, 2004 7:16 am

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Thank you delegate from Pakistan for making that motion and speaking in favour.

We require one speaker against this motion to close debate. You may speak immediately.

All delegates should begin voting on this motion to close debate. You may not abstain.
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Post Post #306 (isolation #60) » Fri Feb 13, 2004 5:47 am

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the silent speaker is replacing bigbenwd, delegate from Benin, effective immediately.
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Post Post #313 (isolation #61) » Mon Feb 16, 2004 7:29 am

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Delegates should do their best to remember what country they represent.

Debate is officially CLOSED on MUNSCM 003.

I will now entertain motions that pertain to voting, such as separation, or clause by clause.

Otherwise, delegates please vote NOW on MUNSCM 003, as originally posted. Will a kindly delegate (preferably the submitter) go find it and repost it here? You may abstain.
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Post Post #326 (isolation #62) » Tue Feb 17, 2004 4:00 am

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In Favour - Germany, Chile, Phillipines,
USA
, Algeria,
Russia
, Brazil, Pakistan

Opposed - Romania

Abstaining - Benin


Please continue voting delegates. I especially urge those with veto power to vote, as we cannot pass this resolution until all countries with veto power have voted in favour or have abstained. I remind you that any country with veto power voting against this resolution will cause it to fail.
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Post Post #334 (isolation #63) » Wed Feb 18, 2004 5:14 am

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With many votes in favour, 1 abstension and 1 opposed, Resolution MUNSCM 003 Passes in its entirety. The Security Council will adopt its clauses and act on them immediately, or when specified in the resolution.

HINT: What this means is that I, the chair, will do as instructed by the resolution tonight.

Now, I will entertain motions to ammend the Agenda, or encourage the submitter of the next Resolution, MUNSCM 004, to submit in 24 real time hours.
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Post Post #335 (isolation #64) » Wed Feb 18, 2004 5:18 am

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Actually, since both the submitters for resolutions 004 and 005 have been replaced, I strongly encourage we have a motion to ammend the Agenda, or we could find ourselves in an interesting position.
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Post Post #345 (isolation #65) » Thu Feb 19, 2004 7:11 am

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Thank you delegate from Germany, your motion to remove Resolution 004, 005 and 006 from the Agenda is in order.

Thank you delegate from China for speaking against the motion.

Delegate from Germany, you are out of order, as China is indeed not "the Speaker", so you may not ask questions of him.

Delegate from Benin, you cannot ammend a motion. You can ammend a resolution by getting on the speaker's list and proposing the ammendment in lieu of speaking on the resolution. Please consult procedures for clarification. Alternatively, if you would like to propose a motion similar to a motion on the floor, you must wait for the first motion to fail, and then make another motion.

Delegate from Benin, any present-tense English verb can be used, and delegates are encouraged to do so. However, some verbs are binding, and some are not. For instance, Prohibits and Allots are binding, while Worships is not. However, neither of the first two clauses you mentioned are enforceable, as the security council does not know who the Axis are, or have any way of "alloting investigations". You could Prohibit a specific country from voting if you wished... but some democrats might complain.

Delegates, please vote on the motion to ammend the Agenda as proposed by Germany! 8 votes in favour or opposed are required, no abstensions, no vetoes.
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Post Post #353 (isolation #66) » Fri Feb 20, 2004 3:26 am

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The delegate from Benin's heckle has some merit, delegate from Germany. You
are
voting on a motion.
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Post Post #357 (isolation #67) » Sun Feb 22, 2004 7:26 am

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The vote count on the motion to ammend the Agenda by removing 004, 005 and 006 is currently:

6 In Favour (Germany, Romania, Phillipines, Pakistan, UK, Spain)

2 Opposed (China, Benin)

Delegates, please continue voting...
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Post Post #361 (isolation #68) » Mon Feb 23, 2004 4:57 am

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With 9 votes in favour, 2 opposed, the motion to remove resolutions 004, 005 and 006 from the Agenda passes.

The new Agenda has one resolution on it, MUNSCM 007.

I am willing to entertain motions to ammend the Agenda, although I don't see much purpose to such motions. Thus, I call upon the submitter of MUNSCM 007, the Phillipines, to submit their resolution.
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Post Post #362 (isolation #69) » Mon Feb 23, 2004 8:48 am

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China has REsubmitted MUNSCM 006 (removed) as MUNSCM 008. The current Agenda is on the front page.

I will entertain motions to ammend the Agenda, but again, I encourage the submitter of MUNSCM 007 to present the Resolution.
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Post Post #366 (isolation #70) » Tue Feb 24, 2004 3:36 am

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Thank you delegate from the Phillipines. We need a seconder for this resolution. If you wish to second, you may speak immediately.

The speaker's list is now open


Also, please note the delegate from Benin has submitted MUNSCM 009 - Oddsmaking to the Agenda.

bloojay has asked to be replaced. We need a replacement. I'll go find one.
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Post Post #367 (isolation #71) » Tue Feb 24, 2004 4:01 am

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Dasquian, delegate from France, is replacing bloojay, who replaced Phoebus.
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Post Post #376 (isolation #72) » Wed Feb 25, 2004 3:45 am

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Delegate from China, as seconder you actually are the current speaker, so I cannot add you to the speaker's list.

The delegate from China stands for points of information, and any delegates may ask questions of the delegate from China.

Delegate from Benin, this is a very important question.
Strongly Suggests
is NOT binding on the Security Council. Instead, the passing of the resolution would encourage the submittal of a similar resolution which actually authorized the attack. In short, Romania will not be nuked. Of course, an ammendment may be passed.

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Romania
Benin
Pakistan
Phillipines
France
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Post Post #382 (isolation #73) » Fri Feb 27, 2004 8:48 am

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For inactivity, the delegate from China is being foreremoved from the speaker's podium.

I now call on the next delegate from the speaker's list, Romania, to speak on the resolution.

Speaker's list above has been updated.
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Post Post #396 (isolation #74) » Sun Feb 29, 2004 9:44 am

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The motion to close debate is in order, delegate from Romania.

Thank you for speaking against the motion, delegate from the Phillipines.

Delegates, please vote on the motion to close debate.
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Post Post #397 (isolation #75) » Sun Feb 29, 2004 10:17 am

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Oh, and I linked the front page Agenda to the resolution that passed, for easy reviewing.

Also, I'm going to add to the rules a couple motions I forgot about. I think I forgot about them. Anyway, once resolutions are voted on, they may be Reconsidered during the ammend the Agenda phase. That is, you can move to reconsider, reopening debate on a previous resolution. You need to garner 2/3 support though to pass the motion.
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Post Post #403 (isolation #76) » Mon Mar 01, 2004 3:44 am

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Even if I counted wrong, there clearly is no support for this motion. The motion to close debate fails.

I will allow the delegate from Romania to remain the speaker, but I also suggest that the council put a limit on the number of points of information allowed for each speaker (by making a point of order) to move debate along. If the delegate from Romania would no longer like to field points of information, I remind him that it is his responsibility to step down.

Also, I believe there are a few unanswered points of information the delegate from Romania could address.
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Post Post #408 (isolation #77) » Tue Mar 02, 2004 2:41 am

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Hmm... Thank you delegate from France, you motion to limit points of information for each speaker is very much in order. But... you are not expected to phrase motions in the form of resolutions. The preamble is quite unnecessary.

I will immediately adopt this motion, unless there is strong opposition to it (this is policy in the UN for this particular motion. Don't ask me why). Please note that for any particular speaker a motion may be made to extend the limit on points of information for that one speaker, or another motion may be made to change the limit for all speakers.

Delegate from the UK, that motion has already failed.

Thank you delegate from Romania. We now proceed to the next speaker on the speaker's list, Benin.

Speaker's List:

Benin
Pakistan
Phillipines
France
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Post Post #410 (isolation #78) » Tue Mar 02, 2004 3:04 am

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The chair is interested in the feelings of the Security Council. The motion will not be immediately adpoted.

Please vote now on the motion to limit the number of points of information for each speaker to Three! (no abstensions)
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Post Post #420 (isolation #79) » Thu Mar 04, 2004 10:36 am

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Motion to limit points of information fails.

Thank you delegate from Benin, all delegates may now ask points of information of the speaker. (Although I'm not thrilled about the possible delay in the game. Actually...)

Delegate from Benin, having spoken and not proposed an ammendment, you may not do so until your turn on the speaker's list comes again. You must either speak on the resolution, or propose an ammendment and speak on it, never both.

Due to the delegates from Benin's planned absense, I call on the next speaker on the speaker's list, Pakistan to speak on the Resolution. We will, only because of this strange circumstances, have two speakers at the same time.
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Post Post #431 (isolation #80) » Fri Mar 05, 2004 11:08 am

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Heh. I brought this upon myself...

Thank you delegate from Pakistan for proposing the ammendment. We need a speaker opposed to the ammendment.

Delegate from Benin, you are out of order. You may not directly address another delegate without "reason". The delegate from pakistan, as submitter of an ammendment, was not standing for points of information.

Delegate from France, we will vote on the ammendment after someone speaks against it.

Delegate from Benin, countries which are the only ones named in resolutions or ammendments may not veto them, but may still vote.

To remove the confusion, I am removing the delegate from Pakistan from the speaker's podium. The delegate from Pakistan is back to being next on the list.

WHEN the delegate from Benin steps down, and the delegate from Pakistan presumably submits and ammendment, we will need a speaker opposed, and no one may ask points of information of a delegate submitting and ammendment. Then you vote, noting that veto is in affect.
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Post Post #433 (isolation #81) » Fri Mar 05, 2004 11:24 am

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I think most delegates have gotten used to mentioning their country in their posts, but I also think that most delegates would benefit from this suggestion as well. It's good to get into the spirit of things. The real trick would be to see if you could arrange for this signature to only appear in this thread...
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Post Post #446 (isolation #82) » Thu Mar 11, 2004 10:37 am

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Delegate from the United Kingdom, motions cannot be vetoed. Ammendments and Resolutions may say whatever they please, but a resolution or ammendment that is vetoed will not come into effect. Thus, to be more specific, if the above ammendment is passed, and the resolution subsequently vetoed (thus "vetoing the attack"), the second clause would never come into effect. Thus, the second clause is irrelevant, but not against any rules.

Delegates, we require a speaker against this ammendment. Once someone speaks against this ammendment, all delegates should then vote on the ammendment, noting that abstensions are allowed.

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Pakistan
Phillipines
France
United Kingdom
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Romania
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Post Post #456 (isolation #83) » Sat Mar 13, 2004 7:24 am

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Delegate from Benin, if any clause of a resolution is passed, the preamble is automatically adopted. The resolution would "pass". The first clause, failing, would mean Romania was not nuked, and the second clause is ineffective. So... nothing would happen if I recall the resolution correctly.

Delegate from the Phillipines, you are out of order. You may not ask POIs of someone speaking for or against an ammendment.

Delegate from Benin, you are out of order for answering.

Delegate from the Phillipines, you are out of order again. Delegate from Benin, please do not answer that question.

Delegates, please continue voting on the ammendment, noting that you should be doing nothing else.
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Post Post #458 (isolation #84) » Sat Mar 13, 2004 8:05 am

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Delegate from the United States of America, you are out of order. Bad.
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Post Post #460 (isolation #85) » Sat Mar 13, 2004 8:09 am

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Delegates! I have remembered an option you have to justify your votes. There is a provision that allows one delegate to make a motion after someone has voted to ask that delegate to explain their vote. For instance, a delegate *not the USA&* could move to request that the USA to justify their vote. The USA may then issue a short statement, but is not required to do so. However, you may not make lengthy statements when voting without being asked to.
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Post Post #462 (isolation #86) » Sun Mar 14, 2004 7:21 am

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Delegate from France, any short comments that can be considered heckles are overlooked, and usually delegates are given leeway to slip out one sentence when justifying their vote.

In favour: Pakistan, Phillipines, Germany, UK, China, France,

Opposed: Benin, Romania,

Abstain: USA

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Phillipines
United Kingdom
Romania
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Post Post #464 (isolation #87) » Tue Mar 16, 2004 5:51 am

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Delegates! VOTE!
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Post Post #468 (isolation #88) » Wed Mar 17, 2004 12:53 pm

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With all the vetoes spoken for, and 8 in favour, this ammendment PASSES! The resolution now stands as... laid out in the ammendment, which someone may repost if they feel it necessary.

We now proceed to the next speaker on the speaker's list, the Phillipines!
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Post Post #469 (isolation #89) » Wed Mar 17, 2004 1:00 pm

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Current Resolution

MUNSCM 007: The Romania Referendum

Noting
that Romania is trying to protect veto-powered countries;

Also noting
that Romania is continuously attempting to cover over the possibility of a veto-powered Axis member;

Also noting
Romania's attempts to pass its actions off as actions of the Phillipines;

1.
Requires
that a nuclear missile attack be directed at Romania

2.
Strongly suggests
that any nation that vetos this attack be made the target of a nuclear strike to replace the strike intended against Romania.
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Post Post #471 (isolation #90) » Thu Mar 18, 2004 4:49 am

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Uh. Thank you delegate from the Phillipines for your speech. All delegates may now ask points of information of the speaker.
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Post Post #485 (isolation #91) » Mon Mar 22, 2004 11:10 am

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The motion to close debate fails.

Thank you delegate from the Phillipines. We will procede to the next speaker on the speaker's list, the United Kingdom. However, I will also entertain motions to ammend the speaker's list (for instance, to put Romania at the top).
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Post Post #491 (isolation #92) » Tue Mar 23, 2004 6:44 am

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Thank you delegate from Romania, you motion is certainly in order. I will allow it without further ado.

Delegate from Romania, you are now the speaker.
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Post Post #502 (isolation #93) » Fri Mar 26, 2004 5:25 am

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Thank you delegate from Romania, I know call on the next delegate on the speaker-s list, the United Kingdom.
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Post Post #510 (isolation #94) » Mon Mar 29, 2004 5:15 am

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Thank you delegate from Beni, your motion is in order. We require a speaker against this motion, since it is non-trivial.

Delegates, please continue voting on the motion, but I also call on a delegate who wishes to speak against the motion to shelve to do so immediately.
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Post Post #512 (isolation #95) » Mon Mar 29, 2004 11:56 am

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To clarify on an unclear point, a delegate may change their vote at any time prior to enough votes being received to decide on the outcome of a motion, ammendment or resolution, especially if new information has been brought to light in an orderly fashion. For instance, anyone who has already voted may change their vote if they feel the delegate speaking against the motion has made some good points.
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Post Post #520 (isolation #96) » Wed Mar 31, 2004 7:24 am

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Resolution 007 has been shelved.

Resolution 008, the China Plan, has been withdrawn by the submitter. We now move onto the only resolution on the Agenda, Resolution 009 - Oddsmaking.

I call upon the submitter, Benin, to submit their resolution.
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Post Post #525 (isolation #97) » Thu Apr 01, 2004 8:05 am

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Thank you delegate from Benin for submitting the resolution, and thank you for stepping down promptly, although it should be noted you have no other options!

Thank you delegate from Germany for seconding the resolution.

The Speaker's list is now open


All delegates may now ask POIs of the delegate from Germany.

Delegate from Benin, the phrase "until further notice" is redundant in all operative clauses that do not otherwise specify a timeframe. For instance, if you fire a nuclear weapon, that can only happen once. If you send investigators to a country that can only happen once. On the other hand, the removal or addition of priveleges is, for example, a "indefinetely, until altered by a later resolution" situation. To directly answer your question, "until further notice" is until another resolution directly contradicts this operative clause.
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Post Post #527 (isolation #98) » Fri Apr 02, 2004 6:20 am

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Delegate from Germany, restricts is binding in most operative clauses. In this case, you cannot restrict what someone considers, however, if this resolution passes the chair may rule that any future resolution which calls for the firing of a nuclear weapon against those countries protected under the aforementioned clause is contrary to this clause, and would not be considerable (the council would not be able to discuss it).

If you do not like this interpretation, I suggest someone attempt to pass an ammendment. HINT: Strike is a good word to describe the action of removing a clause from a resolution.
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Post Post #530 (isolation #99) » Mon Apr 05, 2004 6:44 am

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Delegate from Germany, you are correct that only the current speaker may propose an ammendment, and they must do so in lieu of speaking on the resolution. Thus, you would have to get back on the speaker's list to propose an ammendment. But remember you have many motions at your disposal. The rules of procedure are easily modifiable.
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Post Post #532 (isolation #100) » Wed Apr 07, 2004 3:51 am

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Delegate from the USA, you are... thank you.

IT should be noted that motions to modify procedures do not stay in effect for long. If you want to rewrite procedures, you may attempt a resolution. The sceruity council has a lot of power.

I encourage delegates to get on the speaker's list, because until someone is on the speaker's list, Germany has no reason to step down.
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Post Post #535 (isolation #101) » Sat Apr 10, 2004 7:39 am

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Delegate from Germany, I'm interpreting that as you stepping down. We now go to the first name on the speaker's list, nobody!

I will entertain motions to close debate, motions to shelve debate, and alternatively encourage delegates to get on the speaker's list, at which point they may speak immediately.
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Post Post #539 (isolation #102) » Mon Apr 12, 2004 4:16 am

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Thank you delegate from Benin. Although unusual, your speaker's list actions are in order at this point.

Thank you delegate from France for proposing the ammendment. Bonus points for following procedure to the letter.

Thank you delegate from Germany for speaking in favour of the ammendment.

We may hear up to two delegates opposed to the ammendment. Also, delegates may immediately begin voting on the ammendment.
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Post Post #551 (isolation #103) » Tue Apr 13, 2004 4:04 am

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With many votes in favour, including all powers of veto, this ammendment passes. The resolution now reads:

MUNSCM 009: Oddsmaking
Noting that there is at most one nation among the permanent members of the Security Council in the Axis of Evil and may well be none;

Observing that our odds of striking scum are therefore either equal or far better by focusing on the non-permanent members;

Acknowledging that if there is an evil permanent member then we cannot lynch evil non-permanent members;

1. Removes permanent members of the Security Council's power of veto over resolutions concerning annihilation of specific countries, until further notice.


(If we had post reply enabled, I could format this quite impressively, including using strikethrough... do we have strikethrough? Anyway, since I'm using quick reply and a french keyboard mapped to a spanish character map while writing in english I just can't bring myself to hold "alt Gr" + "Shift" + "ñ" to make a square bracket)

I now call upon the next speaker on the speaker's list, Benin, who has allowed anyone who wishes to speak immediately "bud" in line. Any speakers?

Finally, if anyone wishes to be replaced, I have a proactive replacement willing to take your spot.
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Post Post #553 (isolation #104) » Wed Apr 14, 2004 3:18 am

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Thank you delegate from Benin. I assume you stand for points of information. All delegates may now ask points of information of the speaker.

I also remind the delegates that the speaker's list is open, and the list is very short (read: empty).
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Post Post #556 (isolation #105) » Thu Apr 15, 2004 3:45 am

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Delegate from Germany, voting on what?

The delegate from Romania is correct that would need something to vote on.

All delegates may ask POIs of the speaker.
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Post Post #561 (isolation #106) » Thu Apr 15, 2004 9:00 am

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In general, delegates making motions and speaking on motions do not need to vote for them, their votes are implicit. Same with ammendments. However, for Resolutions, all votes are counted separately, as delegates have more opportunity to hear differing view points, and thus to change their minds.

Now, the moment you are all dreading. I audited participation (I did a "all" on the thread, saved the webpage, FTPed it through my school, and read it from work. I nominate myself for the next round of scummies for the award of "bends over backwards the most to be a scummer"). So, the results:

I would like to commend Dasquian, Talitha, the silent speaker, mathcam and ZONEACE for their recent and overall commitment to the game.

I would like to commend Flying Dutchman, PolarBoy and massive for their past and overall commitment, although noting that recent participation has waned.

I would like to encourage Fishbulb, Leonidas, shadyforce and Thoth to participate more, although they have recently voted so it shows they at least read the thread.

I would like to draw attention to people who haven't posted in a little while:

melchizedek (March 30th)
EnPaceRequiescat (March 10th)
Diotima (January 30th)

These players will receive mod prods.

Now, I have thought about this for a while. Please go to Mafia Discussion forum and vote at the poll I have set up.

Back to the game.

Thank you delegate from Germany, that motion is in order at this point. We can hear one speaker against the motion, who may speak immediately. Delegates should vote for the motion, no abstensions.
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Post Post #563 (isolation #107) » Fri Apr 16, 2004 9:45 am

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Huh. This "resolution" from the observation gallery is clearly out of order (although it does demonstrate this observer's potential commitment to the game).

Reviewing the thread, I realized I slipped up on procedures regarding ammendments. When an ammendment is proposed, there are supposed to be two speakers opposed and another speaker against. (Which is what we were doing at the beginning, but somewhere I started asking for only one opposed). We will be returning to an additional in favour, and two opposed, non of which may be asked POIs, as is usual.

Delegates, please continue voting on the motion to close debate!
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Post Post #564 (isolation #108) » Fri Apr 16, 2004 9:55 am

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I want to replace Diotima and EPR. mel doesn't need replacing yet. I have on replacement who's already made themselves known. If I can find another replacement, I will replace them both. Narninian will (BUT NOT YET!) be most likely replacing EPR (by request to represent Brazil).
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Post Post #565 (isolation #109) » Fri Apr 16, 2004 10:01 am

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Now is an excellent opportunity to express your desire to get replaced if you are currently playing. I am actively looking for replacements as well. If we continue to have 15 interested players, the game will continue.
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Post Post #572 (isolation #110) » Mon Apr 19, 2004 3:50 am

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Working on replacements. The game definetly has enough interest to continue for now. But, business as usual...

The motion to close debate on MUNSCM 009 passes.

Here is MUNSCM 009 as it currently stands:

MUNSCM 009: Oddsmaking

Noting that there is at most one nation among the permanent members of the Security Council in the Axis of Evil and may well be none;

Observing that our odds of striking scum are therefore either equal or far better by focusing on the non-permanent members;

Acknowledging that if there is an evil permanent member then we cannot lynch evil non-permanent members;

1.
Removes
permanent members of the Security Council's power of veto over resolutions concerning annihilation of specific countries, until further notice.


I would entertain motions that deal with voting procedures, but there is only one operative clause. So...

Delegates, please vote on this resolution now! (you may abstain, all 5 veto powers must not vote opposed for this resolution to pass)
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Post Post #574 (isolation #111) » Mon Apr 19, 2004 4:17 am

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Narninian, delegate from Angola, is replacing Diotima, delegate from Angola.
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Post Post #586 (isolation #112) » Tue Apr 20, 2004 5:48 am

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Vraak X, delegate from USA, is replacing Talitha, delegate from USA, by request (including personal reasons... like babies! Congrats), effective immediately.

By voting against the resolution, the delegate from China has vetoed it. The resolution fails.

Delegate from Germany, delegates may, in general, change their votes at any time (especially since mistakes can be made). However, it should be strongly noted that delegates may not get the opportunity to change their votes. So, although we want everyone to vote promptly, you should also vote carefully.

Delegate from Germany, I will entertain your motion at this point, but only because there seems to be some support for it. Normally we would not reconsider so soon after the original vote.

For those delegates who do not understand, the resolution was vetoed (and thus voting stops, and the resolution fails), and the delegate from Germany wants to vote AGAIN on the resolution (probably because he feels strongly it should be passed). If this MOTION passes (requiring 2/3 majority), we will reopen debate on the resolution. And, technically, we will have the opportunity to debate the resolution again, not just vote again.

We need two speakers in favour, which I presume will be the delegate from Germany and the delegate from Angola. We may also hear two speakers against reconsideration. Please speak immediately on the motion.

Delegates may also vote on the motion at any time.
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Post Post #595 (isolation #113) » Wed Apr 21, 2004 4:22 am

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Decorum delegates!

Thank you delegate from Angola for speaking for the motion to reconsider, but...

Delegate from Angola, you are out of order. Please do not speak for the motion twice. You should try and post all relevant information in one post, and definetely not in two posts separated by other posts.

Thank you delegate from Germany for speaking for the motion to reconsider, but...

Delegate from Germany, you are not "the speaker", and should not have answered the delegate from the USA's POI.

Delegate from the United States of America, you are out of order. You are not allowed to speak in favour of the motion, and your post definetly oversteps the "brief justifcation of your vote" allowance. And...

Delegate from the United States of America, you are out of order. There are no "speakers" when arguing for or against motions.


You have to look at motions this way: someone makes a motion, and explains why. Someone else may support it, and a couple other people will quickly explain why they don't. There should be no cross-debate, etc. These are very formal procedures. I know it's a little confusing, but the only time you may ask POIs are when a person is the seconder of a RESOLUTION, or is called from the speaker's list on a RESOLUTION, and does not submit an ammendment. Please refer to procedures, where I believe this will become clear after the 5th time you read it. Heh.


Now, I will still hear 2 speakers opposed to the motion to reconsider. Also, I encourage all delegates to vote on the motion. There are currently 4 votes in favour, none opposed.
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Post Post #599 (isolation #114) » Wed Apr 21, 2004 8:28 am

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Chair. Address the moderator as the chair.

Thank you delegate from China for speaking against the motion.

We can still hear another speaker opposed to the motion to reconsider.

There are currently 5 votes in favour (Germany, Angola, Benin, USA, Chile), and 1 vote opposed to the motion to reconsider. 10 votes are required to pass this special motion, while only 6 are needed to fail it.
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Post Post #603 (isolation #115) » Thu Apr 22, 2004 3:48 am

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Delegate from Russia, you may not abstain when voting for motions. Although you are not required to vote, you are definetly encouraged, and will be called upon to vote if the motion is not soon resolved.

A speaker may be heard against the motion to reconsider. We still require more votes on the motion.

I also remind delegates we have a replacement list 3 people long, in case any of you want to get out. Now is an excellent time.
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Post Post #604 (isolation #116) » Thu Apr 22, 2004 3:26 pm

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I should also point out there are no resolutions on the Agenda, so if this motion fails, we'll be in UN limbo, with nothing to discuss. I suggest delegates vote on this motion AND write resolutions.
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Post Post #606 (isolation #117) » Fri Apr 23, 2004 7:41 am

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Sigh. If you're not voting, you're being a bad delegate now.
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Post Post #616 (isolation #118) » Sun Apr 25, 2004 3:57 pm

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The motion to reconsider passes. We will REOPEN debate on MUNSCM 009 after the pending motions on the floor.

Delegate from the USA, motions that will last for a certain period of time should have that time specified by the delegate making the motion, and if not, I will choose an arbitrary length of time.

Delegate from the USA, motions may be made at any time EXCEPT when another motion is being voted on. Alos, motions should rarely be made while voting on ammendments or resolutions, unless they pertain to voting, or are very important.

Delegate from the USA, the change will be made in due time.

Delegate from the Phillipines, your motion to Caucus until April 28th, 22:00 EST (-0500) is in order. Delegates, please VOTE NOW on this motion.

Delegate from Angola, the motion to reconsider has passed, and we will be reopening debate on the resolution, by opening a speaker's list and going from there, once the new motion made by the phillipines is considered.

Thank you delegate from Benin for speaking against the motion to Caucus. We will hear no more speakers on this motion.

Delegates, please VOTE NOW on the motion to Caucus!
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Post Post #626 (isolation #119) » Mon Apr 26, 2004 4:06 am

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We will pretend the
speaker's list is open
for MUNSCM 009, although we cannot move to the speaker's list until the motion to caucus is resolved.

Delegate from Angola, you are out of order. We are not hearing any more speakers on the motion to caucus at this time.

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Germany

Delegates, please continue voting on the motion to Caucus
3 Favour (Phillipines, China, Chile,
4 Opposed (Benin, USA, France, Germany)
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Post Post #628 (isolation #120) » Mon Apr 26, 2004 11:56 am

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Delegate from Angola, no other delegation would be granted veto power without a resolution. And, resolutions can grant veto powers to non-veto power countries.

Also, we have another resolution on the Agenda now, MUNSCM 010, submitted by the USA.

The delegate from Russia, Fishbulb, is being replaced by Caveman, who will be joining us in about a week.

The delegate from Spain is being replaced by Uraj45, who will be joining us immediately.
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Post Post #632 (isolation #121) » Tue Apr 27, 2004 8:12 am

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3 Favour (Phillipines, China, Chile)
7 Opposed (Benin, USA, France, Germany, UK, Spain, Angola)
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Post Post #635 (isolation #122) » Wed Apr 28, 2004 4:05 am

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vote vote vote on the motion to Caucus

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Post Post #637 (isolation #123) » Wed Apr 28, 2004 10:00 am

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Well, let's call the motion failed, since it has more votes opposed and was rescinded. I'm still a little disappointed we only got 11 votes in 4 days. Sigh.

We now go to the first speaker on the speaker's list, France!
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Post Post #642 (isolation #124) » Thu Apr 29, 2004 6:12 am

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Thank you delegates for a very professional exchange.

We now call on the next speaker on the speaker's list, the United States of America.
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Post Post #643 (isolation #125) » Thu Apr 29, 2004 6:18 am

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Nanookthewolf will be replacing melch, delelgate from Pakistan, effective immediately.
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Post Post #649 (isolation #126) » Fri Apr 30, 2004 4:40 am

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Thank you delegate from the USA for you speech. All delegates may continue to ask POIs of the speaker.

Another resolution has been added to the Agenda, MUNSCM 011 - "End-Game Tactics", submitted by China.
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Post Post #657 (isolation #127) » Sat May 01, 2004 3:21 pm

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Thank you delegate from the United States, and all other delegates, for a refreshing bout of questioning.

The chair now calls the next speaker on the speaker's list, Germany.
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Post Post #664 (isolation #128) » Tue May 04, 2004 6:19 am

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Delegate from the United Kingdom, in the situation with 3 scum and two town (both with veto power), the axis would probably not be successful in passing the first resolution, as it could be vetoed by the other town member. However, it should be strongly noted here that
no game will end in a draw because the rules won't allow night to fall
. Specifically, the council may close debate on a session, going to night, at any time after all reasonable attempts have been made to address the issue of nuclear attacks.

Intepretation: The rules state that the council must pass a resolution authorizing or prohibiting an attack. If the council does not, it has failed in its mission. I could just as easily declare a scum win for that reason.
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Post Post #666 (isolation #129) » Tue May 04, 2004 9:07 am

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Delegate from the United Kingdom, my apolgies, the answer to your question is simpler. A
motion
would not be able to revoke veto abilities, temporarily or permanently. You are correct that vetos may not be used on motions.
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Post Post #670 (isolation #130) » Wed May 05, 2004 5:07 am

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Delegate from the United States, censure is always a difficult subject. A censured delegate cannot post during the length of the censure (suggested by the motioner or arbitrarily decided by the chair), cannot vote on motions, but MAY vote on ammendments and resolutions. Censure is not a good way to stop a nation from vetoing a resolution.
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Post Post #674 (isolation #131) » Wed May 05, 2004 2:16 pm

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Delegate from China, you motion to close debate is in order. We have heard a speaker for and against, so I ask all delegates to vote on the motion to close debate on MUNSCM 009
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Post Post #680 (isolation #132) » Thu May 06, 2004 8:00 am

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There clearly is no support for this motion. The motion to close debate fails.

Delegate from the USA, the SC can authorize only one investigation per night. However, resolutions can be passed superceding the authorization granted in MUNSCM 003.

Delegates, another resolution has been added to the Agenda.

We now return to the current speaker, Germany!

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Post Post #692 (isolation #133) » Fri May 07, 2004 1:47 am

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Delegates from Pakistan and Chile, your votes were out of order. The motion had already failed.

Delegate from the USA, your motion to censure is in order.

Thank you delegate from Spain, I will consider your post as speaking against the motion.

Delegate from the USA, no cross-debate. You are out of order.

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Delegates, normally I would require that you continue voting on the motion, but instead, I will simply retract and fail the motion to censure because I assume the USA was going to do this anyway.

We return to the current speaker, Germany
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Post Post #694 (isolation #134) » Fri May 07, 2004 7:01 am

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Delegate from Germany, we just entertained a motion to close debate, and it failed. I would prefer to hear at least one other speaker before I hear another motion to close. Your motion is out of order.

Delegates may continue asking POIs of the speaker, until the speaker steps down.
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Post Post #697 (isolation #135) » Fri May 07, 2004 6:20 pm

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I call on the next speaker on the speaker's list, who is eagerly waiting to propose an ammendment: Spain!
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Post Post #699 (isolation #136) » Sat May 08, 2004 6:21 am

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Thank you delegate from Spain for presenting your ammendment. Also thank you for stepping down as required.

I now call upon 1 speaker for the ammendment and 2 speaker against, all of who may speak immediately but may not be asked POIs, and should not cross-debate.

Also, voting may begin, but you may also wait for the speakers.
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Post Post #702 (isolation #137) » Sat May 08, 2004 9:37 am

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The ammendment has been vetoed by the USA.

I now call on the next speaker on the speaker's list, the Phillipines.

Delegate from the USA, you may change any resolution that has not been submitted to the Secuirty Council, so yes.
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Post Post #703 (isolation #138) » Sun May 09, 2004 12:01 pm

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The delegate from the Phillipines has aprox. 24 hours to post before I remove them from the podium.
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Post Post #704 (isolation #139) » Mon May 10, 2004 12:49 pm

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The delegate from the Phillipines is being removed from the speaker's podium for inactivity.

I now call on the next (and currently last) speaker on the speaker's list, China
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Post Post #707 (isolation #140) » Tue May 11, 2004 4:58 am

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Delegate from France, your little speech following your POI is out of order. Please refrain from excessive pre- and post-amble.
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Post Post #711 (isolation #141) » Tue May 11, 2004 7:11 am

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I believe that motion is very much in order, delegate from the United Kingdom.

The chair instructs the council to stand up and sing a refrain from the song normally song on this occasion.
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Post Post #716 (isolation #142) » Wed May 12, 2004 2:15 pm

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dragonmaster, delegate from Russia, will be replacing Caveman (who only kindof replaced Fishbulb), delegate from Russia, effective immediately.
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Post Post #725 (isolation #143) » Thu May 13, 2004 11:25 am

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Thank you delegate from Spain, your motion to close debate is in order. We can hear a speaker opposed to the motion, who can speak immediately.

Otherwise, delegates, please continue voting on this motion.
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Post Post #731 (isolation #144) » Fri May 14, 2004 4:18 am

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The motion to close debate on MUNSCM 009 passes. We now move to voting procedures on MUNSCM 009. Here is the Resolution as it stands:

MUNSCM 009: Oddsmaking

Noting that there is at most one nation among the permanent members of the Security Council in the Axis of Evil and may well be none;

Observing that our odds of striking scum are therefore either equal or far better by focusing on the non-permanent members;

Acknowledging that if there is an evil permanent member then we cannot lynch evil non-permanent members;

1. Removes permanent members of the Security Council's power of veto over resolutions concerning annihilation of specific countries, until further notice.


Please vote NOW on this Resolution (you may abstain)!
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Post Post #739 (isolation #145) » Fri May 14, 2004 1:01 pm

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We still need to hear from the veto power countries. Delegates from Russia and China?
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Post Post #743 (isolation #146) » Sat May 15, 2004 8:24 am

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With all five veto powers voting in favour, and a total of 10 in favour, MUNSCM 009 passes in entirety. The operative clause comes into effect immediately.

I will now entertain motions to ammend the Agenda, and otherwise encourage the submitter of the next resolution, the USA, to submit their resolution in around 24 hours.
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Post Post #745 (isolation #147) » Sat May 15, 2004 12:08 pm

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Thank you delegate from the USA for submitting your resolution. I am editing the post to change the numbering to MUNSCM 010.

The Speaker's List is now OPEN


I now call on a seconder for this resolution, who may speak on it immediately and stand for points of information.
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Post Post #747 (isolation #148) » Sun May 16, 2004 11:21 am

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I will assume the delegate from Spain is seconding the Resolution. All delegates may now ask POIs of the delegate from Spain.
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Post Post #751 (isolation #149) » Mon May 17, 2004 10:34 am

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Delegate from Brazil, your vote is out of order, regardless of what you were voting for.
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Post Post #752 (isolation #150) » Wed May 19, 2004 10:09 am

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Okay... I'm going to ask the delegate from Spain to step down, and call on the first speaker on the speaker's list... nobody!

I will entertain many types of motions, and I will also allow anyone who wishes to speak to do so immediately.
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Post Post #757 (isolation #151) » Thu May 20, 2004 6:40 am

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Delegate from the Phillipines, your speech is very much in order.

Delegate from Spain, operative clause 1 will nullify the power of veto in any resolution that calls for the depolyment of inspectors in a nation with veto power. Operative clause 2 will nullify the power of veto an ALL resolutions if every other living member of the SC votes in favour. Note that the original rules have provisions very similar to this.
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Post Post #759 (isolation #152) » Thu May 20, 2004 10:53 am

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Delegate from Benin, as the resolution currently stands, France could veto a resolution that calls for inspectors in Russia. Operative clause 1 is specific enough that is specifies whose veto power is being revoked. I realize this is slightly different than my previous answer, so I apologize for the confusion.
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Post Post #775 (isolation #153) » Tue May 25, 2004 5:06 am

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Delegate from the USA, a motion for a roll-call is certainly is order, and it should be noted that motions are not limited to the ones listed in procedures, as explicitly stated in Section III, Rule 5.

Delegate from Spain, I will rule your motion out of order for now, but after the roll-call I will certainly entertain it.

I will pass the motion to roll-call.

ALL DELEGATES, YOU MUST POST SOME SORT OF WITTY REMARK RELATING TO THE COUNTRY YOU REPRESENT OR BE REPLACED!
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Post Post #789 (isolation #154) » Tue May 25, 2004 1:36 pm

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It's only been 8.5 hours, but I figured I would post the list of delegates who haven't answered the roll call yet. I should note I have at least one willing replacement lined up, in case any delegates wish to resign their posts.

Leonidas - Algeria
EnPaceRequiescat - Brazil
NanooktheWolf (replacing melchizedek (replacing Dragon Phoenix)) - Pakistan
ZONEACE - Romania
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Post Post #797 (isolation #155) » Sat May 29, 2004 3:59 am

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Okay. I'm going to replace Leo with mikehart, so we can get moving again.

mikehart, delegate from Algeria, is replacing Leonidas, delegate from Algeria.

Roll Call is concluded. Are there any other motions on the floor?
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Post Post #803 (isolation #156) » Sun May 30, 2004 6:07 am

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Delegate from the USA, in general I will not allow motions that I have declared out of order to become retroactively in order, so the delegate from Algeria's motion to close debate should be the only one considered in order at this point. Of course, the net result in this situation is that there is a motion to close debate.

Delegates, please vote.
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Post Post #809 (isolation #157) » Sun May 30, 2004 12:28 pm

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That should be sufficient support to pass the motion to close debate.

We now move to voting procedures. I will entertain motions that pertain to voting, but I also ask all delegates to vote NOW on MUNSCM 010:

NOTING, that nation of the axis of evil and that are permenant members of the UN Security Council are in a position to suspend any measure to try and remove them;

ACKNOWLEDGING, that recent actions by certain permenant member countries have lit "red-flags" in the eyes of the Security Council;

1. REAFFIRMS that in resolutions concerning Weapons Inspector deployment into a target country, if the target country is a permenant member of the Security Council, then their power of veto will be rendered useless/ineffective.

2. REQUIRES that when a clear majority has been reached in votes (all but one country has voted for the resolution), the matter may not be vetoed.

Submitted by the United States of America.
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Post Post #829 (isolation #158) » Wed Jun 02, 2004 5:15 am

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We are still waiting on Russia's vote.
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Post Post #831 (isolation #159) » Wed Jun 02, 2004 9:12 am

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Delegate from Russia, you probably mistook your vote in favour of closing discussion as a vote for the resolution.

With all veto says accounted for, and many voted in favour, MUNSCM 010 passes in entirety. All of its clauses are immediately adopted.

This brings us to an interesting point, because we have no agenda. I recommend that one our delegations proposes a resolution, or I will entertain a motion to table the shelved resolution.
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Post Post #838 (isolation #160) » Wed Jun 02, 2004 2:06 pm

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Delegate from Spain, your motion to Caucus is in order, but since you didn't choose to
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Delegates, please continue voting on the motion to Caucus, noting there are no abstensions or vetoes.
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Post Post #841 (isolation #161) » Wed Jun 02, 2004 2:34 pm

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Delegate from Romania, you are out of order! No cross-debate, especially not while voting on a motion!
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Post Post #846 (isolation #162) » Thu Jun 03, 2004 7:55 am

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With 9 votes in favour, Caucus will begin immediately and last 72 hours from this point. All procedures are suspended.
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Post Post #857 (isolation #163) » Thu Jun 03, 2004 1:01 pm

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Delegate from the USA, I was considering making this game more complicated by adding technologies, etc. that could be developed, but decided to err on the side of simplicity for the first installment of MUNSCM. So, the answer is no. The MABM does what it does, and won't do anything differently this game.
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Post Post #865 (isolation #164) » Fri Jun 04, 2004 6:27 am

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Delegate from France, I believe that what you are suggesting would be possible, but a specific resolution would have to be proposed before I could agree completely.
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Post Post #873 (isolation #165) » Sun Jun 06, 2004 9:26 am

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Caucus as it stands is closed, but there seems to be a poorly phrased motion on the floor to extend Caucus for another 48 hours. Since we had a lag in caucus I am hesitant to entertain this motion, but there does seem to be support for it... so... I am going to have to take a vote on this, noting that I am counting THREE (USA, France, China) votes in favour already to extend caucus by another 48 hours (starting from the conclusion of the vote on the motion).

Delegates, please vote on the motion to extend caucus by 48 hours.
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Post Post #880 (isolation #166) » Mon Jun 07, 2004 12:37 am

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That's 8 votes in favour, so Caucus resumes for 48 hours from this point. All procedures lifted.

Delegate from Benin, I'll overlook your little transgression because it wasn't clear whether we were still in Caucus or not during voting on the motion.
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Post Post #897 (isolation #167) » Wed Jun 09, 2004 12:45 am

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Caucus is over again. Procedures back in place. I will entertain motions to extend caucus, motions to table the shelved resolution, or even better, new resolutions!
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Post Post #905 (isolation #168) » Wed Jun 09, 2004 5:59 am

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The motion to table the shelved resolution MUNSCM 007 is in order.

Delegates, please continue voting.
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Post Post #911 (isolation #169) » Wed Jun 09, 2004 1:13 pm

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Enough votes to table. We are now debating resolution 007. There is no speaker's list, so I suggest someone get on the speaker's list and begin speaking immediately.
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Post Post #915 (isolation #170) » Thu Jun 10, 2004 12:56 am

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Delegate from the USA, that seems reasonable.
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Post Post #927 (isolation #171) » Sun Jun 13, 2004 4:32 am

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Romania
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Post Post #932 (isolation #172) » Sun Jun 13, 2004 11:03 am

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The chair apologizes to the inconvenienced delegates.

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Post Post #942 (isolation #173) » Mon Jun 14, 2004 3:11 am

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Delegate from the USA, the chair is interpreting "specific countries" as ANY one country. Thus, any resolution that calls for a nuclear attack cannot be vetoed. The council is able to challenge my interpretation through a motion, if it so desires.
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Post Post #956 (isolation #174) » Tue Jun 15, 2004 8:20 am

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Decorum Delegates.

Delegate from the USA, your "point of personal privelege" has been noted. However, I will not entertain a motion to retire the delegate from Romania. I will entertain a motion to censure the delegate from Romania for a fixed period of time, if such a motion is made.

Delegate from Romania, your "point of personal privelege" is noted. Again, I will not entertain your motion.

Because the delegates have taken offense, I will grant each delegate the opportunity to apologize to the other. If a delegate does not wish to apologize, they do not have to and no penalties will be levied. The council will be expected to move on, except in the case of a motion to censure.

Also, we should still continue debate on the resolution, so I call on the delegate from Spain to present their speech.
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Post Post #970 (isolation #175) » Fri Jun 18, 2004 6:43 am

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Post Post #972 (isolation #176) » Sat Jun 19, 2004 1:38 am

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Thank you delegate from Spain. I now call on the delegate from Benin.
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Post Post #974 (isolation #177) » Wed Jun 23, 2004 5:39 am

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well, there seems to be no interest for this speaker, so I will ask the delegate from Benin to step down, and call on the next speaker on the list, France.
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Post Post #982 (isolation #178) » Sun Jun 27, 2004 1:25 am

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Just as a warning, when I return from my little road-trip this evening, I will be asking the delegate from France to step down, unless there are more questions.
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Post Post #999 (isolation #179) » Wed Jun 30, 2004 5:20 am

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Thank you delegate from France. I now call upon the next speaker on the speaker's list, Romania!
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Post Post #1011 (isolation #180) » Fri Jul 02, 2004 3:42 pm

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A new item has been added to the Agenda.
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Post Post #1013 (isolation #181) » Thu Jul 08, 2004 1:15 am

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There seems to be no more interest in this speaker, so I now call on the next and currently final country on the speaker's list, Brazil.
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Post Post #1015 (isolation #182) » Sun Jul 11, 2004 11:33 am

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And there appears to be no interest for this speaker either. I will ask the delegate from Brazil to step down. However, we are at the end of the speaker's list... So I will entertain a wide variety of motions, OR another delegate may immediately speak on the resolution, OR a delegate may ask a POI of the delegate from Brazil, retroactively putting the delegate from Brazil back at the podium.
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Post Post #1018 (isolation #183) » Mon Jul 12, 2004 3:31 am

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Sigh. Delegate from the USA, your motion to
shelve
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Also, a new item has been added to the agenda.

(point of interest: Shelving and Tabling are opposite actions, unfortunately some english-speaking countries disagree which is which. In Canada, you table something you WANT to discuss.)
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Post Post #1030 (isolation #184) » Mon Jul 12, 2004 1:19 pm

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The motion to shelve discussion has been withdrawn successively.

Delegate from the USA, your motion to close debate on MUNSCM 007 is in order at this time. All delegates please vote.

Also, I'm going to point out now that the delegate from Russia requested replacement, and I have been unsuccessful in replacing him so far. In the interest of moving the game along, the Russian vote will be an abstension on resolutions until we can find a replacement.
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Post Post #1051 (isolation #185) » Wed Jul 14, 2004 7:10 am

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Decorum delegates!

Delegate from Romania, you are out of order. While voting on a motion great care should be taken to speak only very briefly in support of your vote for the motion.

Delegate from the USA, you too are out of order.

Delegate from Romania, you are out of order again!

Delegate from Algeria, you are out of order. It is quite inappropriate to make arguments or refer to other resolutions while voting on a motion.

Delegatr from the USA, no cross-debate!

Delegate from Romania, quiet!

Delegates from Germany, Spain and Chile, while I appreciate your efforts in maintaining a level of decorum, you are also out of order.

Delegate from Romania, sit down and shut up!

Delegate from Angola, you are out of order and wrong. We are voting on the motion to CLOSE debate right now.


Now... we have... 7 votes in favour of closing debate, and 2 against. Since Russia is not present, I will rule this motion passed in the interest of time.

This brings us to voting procedures on MUNSCM 007:



MUNSCM 007: The Romania Referendum

Noting that Romania is trying to protect veto-powered countries;

Also noting that Romania is continuously attempting to cover over the possibility of a veto-powered Axis member;

Also noting Romania's attempts to pass its actions off as actions of the Phillipines;

1.
Requires
that a nuclear missile attack be directed at Romania

2.
Strongly suggests
that any nation that vetos this attack be made the target of a nuclear strike to replace the strike intended against Romania.



Delegates, please recall that MUNSCM 009 eliminates the power of veto for resolutions of this kind. I will entertain motions that relate to voting procedures, and will also ask that all delegates please vote on MUNSCM 007 now.
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Post Post #1065 (isolation #186) » Mon Jul 19, 2004 8:41 am

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I still don't count enough votes either way...
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Post Post #1074 (isolation #187) » Thu Jul 22, 2004 12:59 am

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At this point, we cannot consider MUNSCM 007 failed, as Russia's absence should be seen as only temporary.

I will ignore most of the things coming from the floor right now, noting that most of you are probably out of order, and entertain the motion to roll call/call of the house.

All delegates, please post another witty remark to let the council know you are still here, and I encourage spectators to consider being replacements. Also, any delegate who hasn't voted on the resolution (Pakistan, Chile, Russia) should vote when they roll call.
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Post Post #1089 (isolation #188) » Sun Jul 25, 2004 1:11 pm

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mole, the delegate from Russia, will be replacing the old delegate from Russia, effective immediately. In about a day, I'll deal with others.
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Post Post #1100 (isolation #189) » Wed Aug 04, 2004 6:22 am

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Okay. We are missing three delegates:

Narninian, delegate from Angola, has been PMed.
EPR., delegate from Brazil, is at summer camp until August 8th and will not be replaced at least until then.
NanookTheWolf, delegate from Pakistan, is missing.

I will be replacing the delegate from Pakistan.

Role call is otherwise finished, as we are at a reasonable quorum.

MUNSCM 007 is failed by sufficient votes against. If there are any motions pertaining to this, I will consider them. Otherwise, I suggest we move to the next item on the Agenda, whatever that happens to be right now. I will also entertain motions that ammend the Agenda.
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Post Post #1103 (isolation #190) » Thu Aug 05, 2004 2:23 am

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treznor, delegate from Pakistan, will be replacing Nanook, delegate from Pakistan.

I believe that motion is in order, delegate from the USA, so I call on the submitter of the next resolution on the agenda, the UK, to submit their resolution.
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Post Post #1110 (isolation #191) » Fri Aug 06, 2004 3:56 am

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Thank you delegate from the UK for presenting MUNSCM 011.

The speaker's list is now open


Delegate from Romania, as seconder you are expected to speak immediately on the resolution. Unfortunately, there is no provision for allowing the submitter to speak first. This is why resolutions should be written clearly and consisely. If the members of the Council cannot understand the clauses, how is the world supposed to? Instead... the delegate from the UK will have to request to be on the speaker's list AND a motion will have to be made to move him to the top of the list. All after Romania speaks.

Delegate from the USA, your request cannot really be honoured, as I cannot continually move you to the bottom of the list as people are added. Perhaps a motion could be passed allowing something similar. The chair must follow procedures unless otherwise "motioned".

Delegate from Russia, I don't like causal resolutions... Especially ones that require retroactive changes to themselves. However, the spirit of the resolution is allowed (it probably could be phrased better... perhaps an if/then statement). Thus I will allow this somewhat confusing resolution to stand, and answer your question with "yes".

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