New York 131: Tricycle Mafia (Day 5)

[silverbullet999]

Ah game started!

RQS Already? NOOOOOOO!!!!
VOTE: SubzeroSith

What time zone are you in?

What's your experience level? Especially good to know in case of alts and whatnot.

About how active will you be in this game?

Eastern, ? umm i'm experienced slightly?, i'll be on and off.

[silverbullet999]

No wall from Thor? What... what has the world come to?

VOTE: Nobody Special
NS is cranky because he's scum, and he dislikes being scum, and well thus he's cranky. One down... uhhh some more to go.

[silverbullet999]

everyone justifying their votes and saying, my vote is more important...

well VOTE: Subzero

BAM most important awesome vote ever!

Still no wall from thor, this saddens me.

[silverbullet999]

Do I ever wall early in a game?
How come you're avoiding the big wagons?

YES!... ok maybe not but i'm impatient i suppose.
Isn't sub a "big wagon" with 2 now thanks to me?
I thought the biggest wagon was 3 with max from last vc.

[silverbullet999]

1st RVS
2nd making it a point to justify his "important" vote

[silverbullet999]

I quite like my own vote better. It isn't much more than a random vote, but I feel like it has more substance to it than most of the votes so far.

[silverbullet999]

sub would you mind signing your posts as to which one it is? Not that you HAVE to but just thought i'd ask if you wouldn't mind.

*has nightmares of there will be blood*

koc seems fun.

-Koc
Where was I coached by Thor?

-Thor
Answer my post 56! (I forgot to "label" you in it, but ya it was directed at you.)

[silverbullet999]

-Thor

2. No, and you're still avoiding commenting on the big wagons.
3. Learn to read vote counts?

2. most recent Votecount at the time of asking (post 39)
Maxous (3) – Amor, Thor665, Nobody Special
SubzeroSith (1) – Surye
and 3 others at 1
so...
3. Learn to read vote counts.

[silverbullet999]

-Max

Looks to be active lurking.

yes... cause i haven't been asking questions... nor answering questions posted to me...

-Thor

So you had 2 options to make a wagon a 3 and one to make it a 4 and you decided what was most needed was no opinion or force on those wagons and instead you'd needle at SubZero.
Why?

I was going Strictly by the votecount posted at the time (I'm LAZY!) I liked (or found suspicious) how Sub emphasized that his vote was "important" so to speak

Also - learn to read vote counts

"Im a super leet reader and keep a count of votes at all times! The mod votecounts aren't good enough for me cause i'm leetz and the modz r noobz!"

Ninja-d

avoiding commiting himself with opinons

So I didn't find sub suspicous nor did I state this anywhere? Really now? Show me how I have no opinion of anything..

[silverbullet999]

I see where you're getting at.

He hasn't posted at all, though.

duhhhh wha!? Hello! Hi! Hello! Can you Hear Me!?

[silverbullet999]

Hi, all.

Guess who's waiting to get their PM to start playing?

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

ok ok... this is fine.. anyone that mastin says is town... is scum... yes yes... yes... that's it...

[silverbullet999]

PM sent

[silverbullet999]

maybe it's cause... hmmm I dunno... I'm waiting for a reply?

[silverbullet999]

-jmurph

From whom are you waiting for a reply?

Maxous, 129...

-deity

(Trollish?)

Eh it's more cranky/scarred/not into the serious mode fully yet/slightly reliving there will be blood (thus the scars).

[silverbullet999]

(unsure if his vote on SubzeroSith was random or not, just replaced in so he missed the RVS stage though)

Totally. Dead serious, in fact.
SubSith's SO Scum. Seriously.

Alright.. sub is town.

UNVOTE:

[silverbullet999]

damn it mastin, i hate you for the things you do to my mind.

VOTE: Sub

Honestly, I'm honestly not positive if your vote on me is serious.

Two honestlys? Town is honest by default.. it's scum that needs to feign honesty and point it out.

[silverbullet999]

Uite lurking is typical town Uite

[silverbullet999]

-Mad Max

Yes you had a half-reason on Sub early.

Then you sir are lieing when you said that I was

avoiding commiting himself with opinons

Why good sir are you lieing?

You were that focused on defending yourself? Do you think I am mafia or something?

So.. I'm that paranoid from one vote in a large game? I don't know if your mafia though you are winning scum points to me.

No desire to look for mafia + overly concentrated on defending himself from votes = mafia member.
Simple maths :p

Yes your formula is correct and perfect with no wrongs nor misreps.

What do you think of Subzero's posts in between the last one and the one you highlighted as suspicious early in the game?

Answer is in 182, I'd appreciate it if you actually attempted to read all of my posts. That'd be nice.

[silverbullet999]

-KoC

and fuck you if you're going to give him a free pass just by citing it.

I'm not giving him a free pass for the whole game... but day 1... there are bigger fish that could go for frying.

[silverbullet999]

-Sub whom I'm assuming is icey since he refuses to sign apparently
1. I've given you reasons why i'm voting you, PLEASE READ MY POSTS THIS IS NOT HARD.
2.

while spelling poorly

What the fuck does this have to do with anything other than you blatantly trying to be a dick?

the fact that you had indeed gone paranoid about one vote in a large game

I did? Where?
3. It would STRONGLY be appreciated if you would NOT respond to something that CLEARLY is not addressed to you UNTIL at the very least the person it was addressed to responds to it FIRST.

Thus question, Why are you rising to defend max so quickly, and to so quickly discredit/paint me as scum?

[silverbullet999]

-Subzero (Darth)

Reasons that you were ready to abandon by unvoting us as soon as JokeMastin said we were town must not be very good reasons.

Mastin saying someone's obv town/scum after my experience with him. Him saying you were obv scum. Leads me to heavily believe you were town because mastin is special like that.

Way to strawman.

HOW THE FUCK IS THAT A STRAWMAN!? What possible relevance does you stating "while spelling poorly" have anything to do with anything besides you literally wanting to be a dickhead to me. EXPLAIN THIS.

after just hours earlier posting this:

What you quoted.. was me commenting on everyone saying oh Uite is lurking this is scummy, UITE POST! It is not "Oh these questions are shit, i'm going to attempt discredit them so Uite doesn't have to deal with them". Holy Shit Misrep more dude.

Way to completely avoid not answering why you are defending max and further misrepping me. .

[silverbullet999]

EBWOP
Great job showing me where i'm paranoid about getting a single vote on me too.

[silverbullet999]

-Surye

Silver's on and off votes of Sub is really suspicious

I took my vote off him once and I just explained why. Read There Will Be Bloodshed.

-Max

1) This is not comitting yourself opinions. Particualry when it's the only one you have mentioned in 19 posts.

I disagree, I mention it in iso 4, iso 8 (the last part is a serious question but more or less implies hello i'm suspicious of sub)... pretty sure it's obvious i've been pretty damn cemented on sub except for when mastin hopped on saying he was scum... and I explained that.

2) Why am I winning scum points?

Lying* and making statements that are simply incorrect. (example: "No desire to look for mafia + overly concentrated on defending himself from votes")

3) Fine..I'll rephrase. What is your opinion on Subzero's case on Toon Fighter?

I don't find it interesting, though something of interest is that he more or less abandoned it and gave you credit for it

If it weren't for Maxous's points about Toon, I'd actually change my vote now.

[silverbullet999]

-Mastin
In our other game... what did VCA have you reading pine as (I honestly don't remember and want to know)?

[silverbullet999]

-Mastin
that's fine, but what did you read pine as in VCA in there will be blood (Yes i'm basing your whole logic from that game and yes that will obviously affect me).

[silverbullet999]

lol alright, well I sort of like your VCA in that case.

-Ninja

If my VCA implicated Pine (which it did), and you're curious about my VCA this game (which implicates you)...

If your VCA didn't implicate Pine, then it didn't implicate sub nor me and my confidence in subscum would drop a bit.
Your VCA implicating Pine, implicates me and Sub and I'm happy with that

I guess technically your possibly 50% correct either way in my mind, since I know I'm town and believe more and more that Sub is scum, but yeah.

[silverbullet999]

mastin you lynch me first, if i flip town you lynch sub, if I flip scum... well you'll lynch sub anyway I hope but yeah, if I flip town you'll lynch sub anyway. Deal?

[silverbullet999]

Rgr, Currently as long as sub ends up lynched today or tomorrow i'll be happy.

(Can possibly change)

[silverbullet999]

-Sub

Silver, seriously think about this. You re-voted me because mastin jokingly said I'm a town read. This was literally you entire justification for voting me.

False, I voted you initially because of how important you wanted to make your initial vote. Unvoted you when mastin went "Sub's scum, seriously" because I believed mastin to have a heavy scum read on you... and from the past... that's not good. He then cleared it up so I threw my vote back on you. Further I've stated very slight scum slips you've done, have told you that I disliked you rising to defend max (though you try to paint it like I did the same exact thing when I did not) and your overall misrepresentations.

and you asked a fairly inane question in response and expected said question to be answered before you could do any more scum hunting.

Fairly inane is completely your opinion and your opinion alone. Furthermore, I'm not allowed to wait for a response and see how it's responded to before moving further? I'm not allowed to attempt to attain information from a question.. and then respond with further questions after a response if needed?

You haven't even done scum hunting since, you've just voted based on what mastin says.

This is completely false. Are you really telling me that my questions to you and max are me just dancing in the air having a good ol time?

And to answer silver's question:

Fun fact: You missed a few questions

HOW THE FUCK IS THAT A STRAWMAN!?

Why are you rising to defend max so quickly

[silverbullet999]

-Subzero... or one that does not read

Troll? If not, then why would you UNvote me because another player thinks I'm scum?

I explained this.. There Will Be Bloodshed for the 20th time.

And what, exactly, do his unexplained and so far fairly worthless opinions matter to your scum hunting? More trolling?

Glance at There Will Be Bloodshed and all your answers will be revealed. Again this is not that hard.

I wouldn't be surprised if others here looked through your ISO and likewise found pointless questions that lacked scum hunting value.

And I wouldn't be surprised if people read your iso and found you to be a prick. This is an absolutely worthless response designed to more or less piss me off isn't it.

If you're asking nearly pointless questions that get glossed over because they have almost zero significance to the game,

First off they weren't pointless nor were they glanced over. Max replied in his very next post if you bothered to read at all. Second there is significance in it even if you wish to just not give a shit about it... which in itself holds significance.

This one's important

Fun fact: the questions were pretty dumb and my answering them only points to how scummy you are. I didn't even feel them worth responding to but fine.

If my questions are dumb and you answering them shows me to be even MORE scummy. Why the fuck would they NOT be worth responding to? Especially when you feel i'm scum. What kind of shitty town are you to not want to pursue someone you think is scum unless your scum and... oh... now it makes sense.

Also important

No, but I'm telling you that you aren't really doing any effective scum hunting. You're mostly getting butt hurt and asking pointless questions.

Now you are switching from. "You haven't even done scum hunting since, you've just voted based on what mastin says." TO "oh your scum hunting but it's not effective at all". If i'm not doing any scumhunting at all then it's impossible to be any degree of effective at it. Thank you scum for these contradictions.

You did that exactly.

Bullshit, I commented on the rest of that post but I'm telling ya I don't appreciate how much of a dick your being. There was literally no reason to throw that in there except to insult/piss me off. Just like the quote above.

I didn't even really defend Max, I just pointed out where you were wrong.

Wrong or not, Max could have easily pointed that out. You took it upon yourself to comment on it before letting Max even respond. This in itself is defending. It's like me saying hah I know scum is Steve and Tom and I ask everyone to stfu except for those two and you go no, that's shitty Tom is def town.

You're getting on ICE's nerves, though.

I couldn't give any less of a shit with the attitude you two have. (inb4 hey speaking of comments designed to piss you off)

[silverbullet999]

-Pine
Sub literally just said that him answering my questions would only point more to how scummy I am and he felt that doing that wasn't even worth it.
He said this when he believes me to be scum and voted me to be scum.

This is literally like the debate with me and Friend in TWBB except more extreme which commonly happens with me.

[silverbullet999]

-Mastin
Except I've had arguments just like this as town vs town and town vs scum and scum vs town (I don't think I've ever had one with scum vs scum.) One of my newbie games (I'll find it if you request) I argue heavily with someone to this extreme, if not further and he was scum but no one listened to me, I ended up getting nk'ed and he survived to end game (though his partner saved him rather nicely).

I could also argue with pine that there really was nothing else pro-town (I mainly did nothing or followed THB for most of the game except for endgame) i did in TWBB except for everyone (especially scum) saying i'm town and Pine knew I was town from the get go since he was scum so I could also state he had confirmation bias from that which is clouding his view but I didn't really feel like getting into it.

@all
Why does noone else find this comment from Sub

Fun fact: the questions were pretty dumb and my answering them only points to how scummy you are. I didn't even feel them worth responding to but fine.

Interesting to say the least.

[silverbullet999]

-Pine

The fervor with which Silver insisted he'd never had a scum vs scum argument (implying he never would) seemed forced.

No Pine... I was stating fact, in most games I get into arguments like this, in most of them I'm town, in one of them I was scum but it was more or less me just saying "bullshit!" without any reasons cause I just didn't care much at that point in winning. I've been scum all of 3 games that I remember of, one I got night killed day 1, another I replaced out of early, and a third my partner literally lynched himself day 1 (I got lynched day 2 though I had ample opportunity to make a recover, but just didn't care to do it since my partner hammered himself).

-Sub

No, you're misinterpreting the situation. In my eyes, attempting scum hunting or pretending to scum hunt is pretty much the same thing as not scum hunting. They're both scummy.

So if a player is bad at scumhunting, he's purposely doing so and is scum?

They were minute and pointless. It isn't as if I don't have enough reason to think you're scum.

Then why don't you state these reasons.
----
If you all want to believe that me and sub are a scum team bussing you can go ahead since it results in sub hopefully being dead. If I'm going first I'm fine with it but regardless of flip you take sub the next day.

[silverbullet999]

Deity it's a question with conditions..
If I flip town you will lynch sub. I love that everyone is ignoring that I'm asking this and noone is replying.

Regardless I want sub dead.. Is that literally the only reason you think i'm scum?

Also not gonna claim til i'm at l-1.

side-note nhammen is town from his posts.

[silverbullet999]

.... all of my posts... directed... to him...

why did you ask me to claim btw...

[silverbullet999]

-Surye
Stop avoiding my question
If I flip town will you be for a lynch sub the next day

[silverbullet999]

-KOC

no reasoning "nhammen is town btw"

side-note nhammen is town

from his posts.

....

to expand... even though i thought it was implied... Scum nhammen doesn't post like that from when I played with him.

least you accepted the deal.. less that was sarcasim.

[silverbullet999]

-Pine

Like I said, in this situation I agree with you. If I were Town going down in flames and about to be mislynched, I'd be doing everything in my power to get my reads out there, especially my strong reads. When I flipped Town, they'd have extra weight and get looked at again.

Seriously Pine.

Are we really gonna forget the lesson learned from THBB with mastin (yes he wasn't lynched but nonetheless...)?

[silverbullet999]

-KOC

"from his posts" is not an explanation. It's half-assing one and hoping no-one calls you on it.

No it's stating that I don't feel like he's acting like he did in THBB where he was scum

[silverbullet999]

MASTIN STATING YOU WERE TOWN AND TO LYNCH HIM OVER YOU AND TO NOT LYNCH YOU. SIMILAR SITUATION. I"M NOT GONNA GO NHAMMEN IS DEF TOWN! SO IS THIS GUY AND THE OTHER!

[silverbullet999]

Ladies and Gents

I am

V to the T

Vanilla Townie

[silverbullet999]

-Wraith

In addition, I'm quite astounded that half the town isn't already out for my blood.

Why should half the town be seeking your blood?

[silverbullet999]

The three posts above me (not wraiths) slightly disturb me.. I won't comment further on it just yet but yeah.

Just so there's no confusion, I ask that noone else reply no matter how stupid you believe the post/questions to be until it is responded to by the person I am asking.
-Deity

It's not really helping at all, it does not give the town any leads, your opinions aren't that strong, and it's fake-scum hunting imho.

Why the emphasis on honesty?

I would unvote you, but first I want to see silverbullet999 defend himself against the bandwagon.

This quote is both confusing and ironic. Did you mean I would vote you? I'm going to assume yes but please clarify. Ironically you are asking me to defend myself against the bandwagon... yet you just admitted that you hopped on because you felt "that's what town wanted". Are you sure of what the case is on me? Could you please cite or summarize the overall case on me in your next post?

[silverbullet999]

-KoC

No, please comment on it.

No, not yet

Oh, and there'll probably be something in there on the fact that SZS suddenly agrees with me which to be honest shocks me too but hey he had to come around eventually.

When have you two been in heavy disagreement?

-Diety

You seem kind of innocent, in a way, and a part of me is saying we shouldn't go through with this, but your actions and what you've done says a thing or few.

I'm a bit confused now to. Let's take this slowly

ok here

I would unvote you,

You said this to mastin, but this doesn't make sense... because your vote isn't on him. Did you actually mean I would vote you?

but first I want to see silverbullet999 defend himself against the bandwagon.

You want me to defend myself against my bandwagon, however I'm not sure you even know what the case on me is. Thus I am asking you if you can please cite or summarize the overall case on me in your next post.

[silverbullet999]

-Sub

The post above this line slightly disturbs me. I won't comment further on it just yet (mostly because its awfulness should be self-evident) but yeah.

[silverbullet999]

-Max
Are the quoted posts of me directed to me? I'll answer if you'd like but I wasn't sure.

How does scum nhammen post?

Well normally he's really lurky and barely posts in the first few days. The posts he does make are normally short as well.

I'm not saying Nhammen is town he needs to live forever and ever. But he reads as town for me for now.

[silverbullet999]

-Max

Which is exactly what he did early game when he found a slight suspicion on Subzero and done nothing to pursue the suspicion or others.
He acted like mafia according to his own scumtell.

When was this?

Silverbullet - Sorry for being unclear.
"Are you attempting to say you were scumhunting me?"
That one please.

Simple answer, yes.

Explanation since it seems you think otherwise since your asking, just about whenever I shoot someone a question I'm doing it to get a read. Whether if it's seeing if it's an unfounded accusation, seeing the reasoning in their action, or simply seeing how they react.

[silverbullet999]

-Max

ISO 3-18 of your posts

Now when did I hold someone's actions suspicious and not press them if I felt it to give potential results?
1. That was early game day for the most part and I didn't find Sub to be heavily suspicious just a very slight slip here and there which i did point out and he more or less went "that's terrible your bad".
2. I nowhere stated, hmm I find this suspicious, and I bet if I pursue this I'll point out more how scummy someone is, but I don't feel it's worth the effort to pursue it. This is starting to feel like a mis rep. He clearly stated "Fun fact: the questions were pretty dumb and my answering them only points to how scummy you are. I didn't even feel them worth responding to but fine.". That isn't a town motivated thing to say at all and I nowhere near resembled then or now any such attitude.

My issue is that all of your questioning was on people that suspected you first.

Not exactly True, for the most part, all of my questions have been on people who have said something about me. I've always felt it's easier to get a read on someone attacking yourself then someone attacking another person. Their claims are much clearer to you in that position.

-Deity
Why are you ignoring post 327.

[silverbullet999]

Ah christ i'm skimming and rushing cause i'm tired as fux.

List of those I think are Scum: Sub
List of those I Suspect: Nhammen (explained below) Pine, and slightly the rest of my wagon
List of those I think are Town: -----

-Nhammen

why didn't you respond to the point that is the first quote in this post of mine?

Cause it's a wall and i missed it cause i skimmed it.
It's not the fact that he explains his vote that I found slightly scummy. It's that he kept basically saying "yeah this vote is slightly better than rvs etc"

FALSE! He said that the fact that you were forcing him to answer pointless questions was what was scummy. Although, there is no such thing as pointless questions, so I disagree with this part of the case. But, the fact that you are twisting this like this is pretty scummy.

Incorrect sir (he loses his town read from this)
Here's the quote
"Fun fact: the questions were pretty dumb and

my answering them only points to how scummy you are. I didn't even feel them worth responding to but fine

."
Please read and reread bolded, please further read his response when I told him my thoughts on it...
"They were minute and pointless. It isn't as if I don't have enough reason to think you're scum."
There's no misinterpretation or twisting here mister.

372, 374, I like how the two echo eachother.

I'm of the feeling that a no lynch would be a bad move and will self hammer if need be, You guys already know my feelings on things anyway

[silverbullet999]

Someone needs to be ready to hammer before deadline.

I'm of the feeling that a no lynch would be a bad move and will self hammer if need be, You guys already know my feelings on things anyway

Won't be done til midnightish eastern standard time

[silverbullet999]

wait a second.. KOC ANSWER THIS

KOC said

Oh, and there'll probably be something in there on the fact that SZS suddenly agrees with me which to be honest shocks me too but hey he had to come around eventually.

I said

When have you two been in heavy disagreement?

[silverbullet999]

^Stop trying to get into things when I'm still waiting for responses... jesus^

You really need to die day 2

[silverbullet999]

My one scum read is you,
I highly suspect Pine and Nhammen, and slightly suspect the rest of my wagon.

I also will throw Nobody Special in the highly suspect list because him being lurky as all hell is normally Nobody Special Scum though he normally does terribad posting as scum as well... and will probably eventually do so.

Deity wins some points for flip flopping me going "Eh you could be town or scum but I think town wants this so I'm gonna vote you" to then changing his opinion somewhere to "Silver is scum"

[silverbullet999]

^By points I mean scum point^

[silverbullet999]

-nham

Ummm... I didn't think I was making short posts in TWBB. So is this bullshit reasoning, or something else?

Late game you made short posts and *looks back* eh you did have walls but i don't remember them (guess I just ignored them?). Since your doing exactly what you did in TWBB, are you more or less claiming scum? Also don't worry you lost the town read you had from me anyway.

[silverbullet999]

-Zeph

Gimme a bit to make a real post w/ vote.

Glad this happened....

[silverbullet999]

-Koc

@Silver - posts 5, 6 and 11 from his ISO.

Read them, and it's more him just saying, post better or I don't agree with this point and here's why. You don't really seem to say anything else about it so eh

FLAIL FLAIL FLAIL I SUSPECT EVERYONE ON MY WAGON ALSO NS FLAILFLAIL HOW CAN I GET RID OF THIS WAGON QUICKLY

Lol way to exaggerate the word slightly, I know there's scum on my wagon, I think it's those I suspect the most but I could be wrong. I'd be willing to bet $100 that my wagon is not pure town.

I also never understood this point or why it's "justified" am I really scaring anyone with saying this? Are you scared by me saying this?

-nham

So you are saying that you are suspicious of everyone on your wagon, and not suspicious of everyone not on your wagon?

Read above

Ummm... because it was? I don't get why you had a problem with this.

He made it a point to point it out. He didn't need to, it was implied. I said this before, it was a slight suspicion that had me decide to take a closer look at him.

Ummm... if you can't tell motivation from such phrases as "but fine", you really need to learn modern idioms. It was obvious (at least to me) that there was an implied "because you wont let it go" in his statement. That's what "but fine" means. SO that's what made it scummy. However, as I said before, forcing someone to answer questions isn't scummy. Dropping everything else while waiting for an answer is.

Wtf? He responded to it agreeing with my full fledged statement. How the hell am i misrepping him when he even agrees. This is really reminding me of your case on emp (he pretends to have reasons for joining the wagon but it all really doesn't make sense if you look at it closely)...

So now, not only can you not scumhunt while waiting for answers, but nobody else is allowed to either? How can you claim not to be scum?

What does this have to do with any of what I said? MISREP MORE PLEASE! How am I saying, "NOONE ELSE SCUM HUNT!". Sub was referring to you referring to me not wanting to comment about the three comments that I said i found interesting but didn't want to comment on, (I find it odd that three people literally repeated eachother, and knight seems paranoid as all hell for one reason or another, explaining now since knight just answered).

Nham's my new number 1, sub's still there but christ these recent posts of ham's are terribad.
VOTE: nham

[silverbullet999]

-KoC

FLAIL FLAIL FLAIL I SUSPECT EVERYONE ON MY WAGON ALSO NS FLAILFLAIL HOW CAN I GET RID OF THIS WAGON QUICKLY

Wait how does me suspecting NS... get rid of my wagon?

[silverbullet999]

hmmm lots posted... ok lets get to reading

alright mastin claims day cop and clears me (i actually didn't know day cop was a role til just now)

sub looks like he'll be the lynch...
sub's mason... god damn it how is this possible... ? i blame your attitude... ugh alright

lynch on amor? ehhh I'd prefer nham... I don't see scum motivation in saying guys don't worry there's pularity lynches... then again I guess that in essence could be the motivation... I'll still prefer nham and the vote on him doesn't hurt any.

[silverbullet999]

^forgot to add i'd like pine also^

-ninja
mastin not to um... remind of us things... but remember last time you had unconfirmed town reads on someone...

[silverbullet999]

I still think nham is the way to go.

-Sub
Instead of crying about the past events sub please ya know.. be helpful. Just about your whole post is fluff or something you should save for end game discussion.
Which head in the hydra posted that btw?

[silverbullet999]

-Sub

Something about pots, kettles, and the color black is coming to mind.

You really make me want to bash my head in. When have I actually cried about the past and such? Wait you know what, no ignore this, your town, i'm town, there's literally no point (unless you now want to argue i'm godfather I guess?) but omg.

You saying Mastin made a bad move doing this and that doesn't discredit mastin a bit. You saying mastin should have done this or that again doesn't discredit mastin one bit. I said just about your whole post is fluff and I meant it. The only thing that was credible and that can discredit mastin is your first paragraph about his VCA.

Because I think i'm able to tell which is posting which and would like to know the actual names of whos who when posting.

[silverbullet999]

-Sub
Your missing the point, I'm not defending mastin. All I'm saying is talking about "well Mastin should have investigated you instead" or "Mastin shouldn't have investigated me" or "Mastin should have ignored his result and let the mislynch happen" is pointless and should be saved for end game if you want to argue about what he should or should not have done. As I said your only valid point was your first paragraph about his VCA.

[silverbullet999]

-Thor

@Silver - yes, great, you're defending Mastin. First off, this doesn't need to be a giant debate, and second off SZ is obviously more confirmed than Mastin so any disagreement between you about him should be kept short, sweet, and not wall posting. If he keeps banging his head against a wall after this - let it go. It's not helping anything. On a more fruitful line - have you weighed in on Toon or Amor yet? I recall you voting for Toon I think, but would like to hear some thoughts. Also, do you have any opinions about likely scum both on and off your and SZ's wagons. Let's be frank, everyone touting the either/or gibberish really is looking like scum setting up some mislynches with two town as the competition - that's an awesome Day 1 wagon and counter wagon for scum. So what are your thoughts there?

But... that's what I was... Bah nevermind.
I've weighed in on Amor (I still think pointing out the vote thing gives him town points), never voted for Toon cause I didn't see the case on him early on as being good, I should probably re-read but isn't deadline hitting.. or already hit?. Ah nope there's 2 hours left, i'll iso em real quick. I still think nham would be the way to go, or pine... but i'll reread and see.

[silverbullet999]

Iso of Amor

22 posts only? makes my life easy
0-2 nothing of note
3 questions koc
4 votes koc
5 toon OMGUS
6 thor telling everyone how to look town
7 thor is evil, knight is scum
8 not digging mastin's post
9 moves vote to toon cause noone's voting knight
10 replies and explanation
11 question koc about his remark of me about uite
12 remarks his dislike for the users browsing this forum (I agree with that)
13 me and sub are fighting about semantics, it's not really showing much at all between the two. Toon fighter is fading away with the distraction. explains why he switched his vote and says knight is scummy
14 advocates not just concentrating on us (me and sub) two
15 dk rises up his scum-o-meter
16 votes dk
17 explains his dk reasoning more
18 agrees that he's pretty uncomfortable with the "It has to be Silver or Sub" crowd.
19 surprised at mason claim and reminds everyone lynches are pluraity lynches
20 goes back to toonfighter cause he's most likely
21 presents case on toon

overall read: town... what's the case on him again?

[silverbullet999]

Toon Iso
25 again not too bad, and it looks short and sweet

0 - 2 rvs non important
3 votes sub
4 - 5 explanation of vote?
6 toon is getting voted for bandwagonning in rvs
7 toon is no longer angry
8 toon never saw and early day wagon result in a lynch
9 mastin is quite lets vote mastin
10 question to pine
11 mastin responded!
12 V/LA
13 goes sub cause he likes the case
14 doesn't like me or sub, thinks we should lynch one of them, since i'm clost to being lynched he decides to vote sub but will hammer if need be
15 votes me, that's all
16. explanation I think, fact that day was ending fast and his vote was useless on sub he switch. He has every intention of seeing sub die though depending on my flip.
17 sees mastin's claim, votes sub
18 if mastin survives we lynch mastin or me
19 he'll claim if need comes
20 blames mastin for this for not investigating me earlier
21 votes amor, we have 5 claims so far
22 explains his actions for day 1, trust in mastin, promises to be more active day 2
23 if he lives to day 2 of course
24 he get's bandwagonned D1 and doesn't like it in all his games

read - nullish leaning scum, his posts are so short, he's a bit jumpy with his vote too, 22 doesn't really make much sense, the votes don't really matter heavily (in the way of a lynch) since as long as number of no votes < number of votes on someone, we are getting a lynch.

He's ok for today but as I said, rather have nham or pine

-Ninja
Yeah I should note i'm just taking the isos by themselves, so again what's the case on amor and toon if anyone is feeling up to it?

[silverbullet999]

so.... i didn't even realize day 2 had begun nor ended... i skimmed it... anddd yeah. i'll catch up... eventually

[silverbullet999]

-Mastin
Alright so question... are you basing me scum simply from vca... vca solely based off day 1?

[silverbullet999]

-Nhammen
(ib omgus)

1. Present your case (and no I don't want Oh you looked scummy day 1).
2.

Day 2 I completely forgot about him because he was nowhere to be seen.

Oxymoron and doesn't quite work. If you had your doubts about mastin's claim and you still thought I was suspicious how do you "forget" about me, one of "your suspects".
3.

And then he conveniently disappeared.

Yes because I made posts on the days of day 2 in this game... (Go Ahead And Check)

VOTE: Nham

-Mastin
Any day you feel like answering 675... would be nice...

[silverbullet999]

-mastin
what post?
what is?

[silverbullet999]

Hey look a post by me... but noone responds to my posts.. so what the hell is the point.

[silverbullet999]

... I'm gonna rage soon... so for the bettering of this game and providing info and what not.. please fucking lynch me

VOTE: Silverbullet

I'm flipping VT.

-NHAM
Your first paragraph is pure bullshit.. I've supplied evidence but you fucking choose to ignore it or call it stupid. I HATE fucking repeating myself time and time again but when you ask the same question that someone else asked... I tell you the god damn post where it's answered. If I'm looking for reactions or further reactions for players.. IM NOT GOING TO WANT TO FUCKING REVEAL THAT IM LOOKING FOR A REACTION. I did not twist any fucking words... He stated that he found me suspicious and answering questions would prove me further to be scum... but didn't feel like it would be worth going into. That is not fucking town play. There is no twisting of words there bud.
Me suspicious of everyone on my wagon? Let's look at my wagon
Silver bullet - Maxous,SubzeroSith, Pine, nhammen , Deity Kabuto, Surye,Knight of Cydonia, Toon fighter
DK was scum, Sub and KoC were town. I can Guarenfuckingtee that there is at least ONE other scum on that wagon. Most of the vote posts were, yeah the shit going between sub and silver is annoying so one of them should be lynched... eh it should be silver. Why the FUCK would I NOT be suspicious of my wagon when it was the biggest one going at the time and I was fucking town. Do you REALLY Think I was trying to scare the ever living shit out of them so that they would never DARE vote me again? Are you fucking kidding me?

What do you mean? I am accusing you of not posting in this game for the entirety of day 2, and your response is to tell me that you didn't post in this game for the entirety of day 2? Am I misunderstanding something?

You are accusing me of lurking done purposefully. I am stating 3 things, 1. I had no fucking idea day 2 began until I noticed that the game was at night. 2. I was on undeclared V/La because I forgot to announce it. 3. Just look at all my posts, their are no fucking posts i've done during the entirety of day 2 in this game.

[silverbullet999]

Stops the town or certain players from having a hard on for me?

Gives Mastin some "major info" ?

Stops me from major posting and getting the town bored again?

[silverbullet999]

Pessimistically yes but i only trust him as far as i can throw him.. I can see him doing this as both scum and town. cause he's insane enough to try it.

(Before any comment, Yes I know not helpful at all)

[silverbullet999]

Basically yes but he's in no way a solid town read and I could def see him doing this as scum but I'm truly uncertain.

I really don't feel like going through another day 1 in this game.. and this day seems to be building up to that so screw it take me plox i'm tired of arguing.

[silverbullet999]

I've claimed day 1 jmurph jesus.

one more plox

[silverbullet999]

if you didn't want a hammer,
you could have unvoted,
but you did not,
nor did you show it,
thus it must be,
i ask of thee,
one more please,
and finally end,
my misery

[silverbullet999]

-nham
GRAGHHHH

For the longest time, the only evidence that you supplied was that he had a serious vote. That is not a scumtell at all. When asked what about it made it scummy, your response was essentially "because it is."

I explained that I found it suspicious and thought it was best to look more into. I never said AHA HE'S SCUM BECAUSE HE'S CLARTIFYING THAT HIS VOTE IS IMPORTANT.

For example, when Maxous asked for your opinion of Sub in 186, the very next post said to look back at a post that was essentially just a vote. I'm guessing that a vote counts as an explanation to you, but to the rest of us it does not.

I further explained this down the road, his posts in between at that time didn't mean anything to me.

I have never seen your "looking for reactions" do anything productive. You "look for reactions" and then use whatever reactions you see to confirm what you had already believed. Your "looking for reactions" are just excuses to fabricate more evidence out of thin air.

Sometimes it's on, sometimes it's off, You've only been in one other game with me where I was also somewhat off so fuck off on this point.

Furthermore, you should expect people to focus on you for hiding information from the town, if you decide to do it. You shouldn't angrily lash out at players that attack you for this because you are bringing it on yourself.

I normally don't expect people to defend others when I'm addressing someone else. (Such as me questioning max and Sub basically throwing the answers to the sheep or what not).

How about this: If you truly are town, and just completely misunderstood what he was saying, then I will ask him to clarify this at the end of the game. If you are scum, then I was right, and we are all good.

I want to seriously hit you with a fucking rock repeatedly. THERE'S NOT FUCKING MISUNDERSTANDING

If my questions are dumb and you answering them shows me to be even MORE scummy. Why the fuck would they NOT be worth responding to?

They were minute and pointless. It isn't as if I don't have enough reason to think you're scum.

He is Admitting he was lazy to get more reasons to think i'm scum right there.

True. But on the same note, there is almost certainly at least one scum off of the wagon as well. But you are ONLY looking at the people that are on the wagon. So, again, you are ignoring some scum so that you can attack everyone that was on your wagon.

WRONG This is why I was suspicious of NS who was... how you somehow forget... NOT ON THE GODDAMN WAGON.

No, your attacks against them were not scary at all at this point. But the were not scumhunting either. You were using OMGUS to make it look like your posts had content. If you actually were town, you would have said "these are the people on the wagon that are scum, and these are the people off of the wagon that are scum." Instead you said that the entire wagon looks suspicious. And barely followed up on this. It was completely fake scumhunting.

HOW... HOW would I possible know.. OK These guys are scum and These guys are town. Did you NOT Completely Ignore how I hated There Will Be Bloodshed because I'm hesitant to call anyone town because i don't want the same thing happening again? Jesus

I already looked at all of your posts. That's why I was accusing you of exactly what you are admitting to.

I meant on the whole forum... -_-

HAMMER ME PLOX!!!!!!!

[silverbullet999]

any day someone wants to hammer.. feel friggen free.

Can we throw a policy lynch on me? Distraction?

-jto the fucking murph

Instead of focusing on finding an alternate viable lynch candidate, he instead demands that we hammer him and self-votes. Why would a townie want to do that?

I HAVE STATED SHIT BUT IT DOESN'T GET FUCKING LISTENED TO. Everyone has a fucking hard on for me, just fucking lynch me so you can realize how much of a fucking tunneling idiot you are and move the fuck on.

[silverbullet999]

No, I want the lynch maxous, give me my lynch.

[silverbullet999]

-jmurph

@Silver: No. You haven't said "shit". Actually, you have. All that you've said today has been pretty much bullshit. Who do you think is scum? You mentioned nhammen weakly, but that's it. Please, make a case against someone. I'm not tunneling, I just don't see any conceivable way that you can be acting the way you are and be town.

This is exactly the gad damn point i'm making. You say my posts have been bullshit when i've been arguing with nhammers logic in his walls but let's just keep fucking ignoring the obvious shall we?

@Pine: and you don't think it's at all conceivable that silver, knowing that you and everyone else who played TWBB remembers that he acted that way as town, is doing the same exact thing as scum and relying on the fact that you will think he's town because of it?

Silver bullet - The evil scum mastermind that caclulates each and every gad damn move every player is going to make and see. By god I'm Fucking Brilliant! If Only you didn't catch on, jmurph the even bigger god damn mastermind! Didn't I say something about God Damn Tunneling before? You don't get this paranoid unless you are tunneling mate.. you are fucking proving there's no point in me trying to fight this time and time again.

-Toon Fighter

I already came up with that exact same case against mastin D2, Pine, so you are just copying me. I am not liking silver's recent response to the wagon on him, just lamenting himself, so my vote is going back on him.

vote: silverbullet

Lamenting myself? What have I been doing this whole day? Is this hammer? Please say it is...

[silverbullet999]

jmurph unsurprisingly ignores me once more! Huzzah!
as does toon a bit sorta... i guess.

One MORE!!!

[silverbullet999]

Will gladly self hammer if i'm thrown to L-1 again (you should do this...)

-Jesus murph

In this post, you OMGUS vote him because he didn't present a case.

ITS NOT OMGUS! He presented things that didn't quite add up and his wording was more or less to try to paint me as opportunistic scum. BUT THROW IT AS OMGUS GO RIGHT THE FUCK AHEAD.

In this post, you yell at nhammen for not understanding what you're trying to do (which clearly no one is), all of which is negated by your self-vote.

Are you... really any point i made in that post is just thrown to the dogs for my self vote? (People do fucking understand what I was going for don't play this bullshit)

I'd try actually making a case against someone, and weighing in on the other potential scum instead of going "Waa Waa, woe is me, no one will listen to me and everyone's ignoring me and I'm going to stamp my feet and pout my lip like a baby".

You god damn little prick. My Whole Points Are The FUCKING CASE. DO YOU REALLY FUCKING NEED A CASE THAT'S OUTLINED THAT SPECIFICALLY SAYS "OK GUYS HERE'S MY NICE ORGANIZED CASE" INSTEAD OF POINTS WHERE LOGIC DOESN'T ADD UP?! ARE YOU FUCKING RETARTED!? WHERE THE FUCK ARE YOUR "CASES" THEN?

My point here was that Pine was dismissing something outright based on one experience, which is faulty logic to say the least.

Wrong your point was "Ohhh Pine, I bet silver is doing this because he did it in the past game, he's using a last minute meta defense because he acted like this as town in that previous game and now he's probably scum" STOP YOUR BULLSHITING.

-Nham

Again, you seem to be misreading it. And again, talking in circles - unproductive.

I'm misreading it? Me.... I'm... YOU ARE THE ONE MISREADING SHIT! Are you kidding me....

But you should be trying to find out. You should be saying that this person looks scummy for such and such and this person look more townie for such and such. No absolutes, but more than just, they voted for me so are scum.

FALSE OMG YOU KEEP FUCKING IGNORING ME. TWBB MADE ME NOT WANT TO DECLARE PEOPLE TOWN FOR THE 100th FUCKING TIME. GET THAT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL FOR THE LOVE OF GOD. AND I DIDN'T GO OH WELL THEY JUST VOTED ME SO THEY ARE SCUM. STOP MISREPPING

Ah! Well... that doesn't mean much. Or maybe... how many games were you in at this time?

1 other ongoing.





VOTE: nham

Toon looks nice too thanks to mastin's hard on for him.

[silverbullet999]

-jmurph

Silver, if you are town, please, and I do mean this is all sincerity, either drastically change your attitude, or request replacement.

How does my attitude affect my alignment? (Explanation so you can't feign ignorance: You are asking me to either replace or change my attitude if and only if i'm town. I don't see the relationship between my attitude and my alignment so please do explain.)

[silverbullet999]

Also thanks for your responses...

[silverbullet999]

-Pine
I have been. Well was until for whatever reason you guys decided to not lynch me,
I've stated these reasons already...

[silverbullet999]

-Pine

Explain how advocating your own lynch was pro-Town.

Stops the town or certain players from having a hard on for me?

Gives Mastin some "major info" ?

Stops me from major posting and getting the town bored again?

(Please note this was at the time)

[silverbullet999]

-Pine
.... really?

I was a distraction to town and somewhat tunneled by some town, I'm a useless VT, and I was horribly off day 1.

My death would get town to stop tunneling me and broaden a bit... thus town as a whole does better... ala pro-town.

Again this was at the time.

[silverbullet999]

... Any mislynch would produce information... stop being ignorant.

I'm going to stop because this seems to now just be, Silver stop sucking! ... Don't really see the point of this argument now simply put.

[silverbullet999]

VOTE: mastin

I don't see the maxous case, also it sort of occured to me that mastin came in today saying we must lynch either me or pine and we'll win... now that's changed in the same day.... disturbs me.

[silverbullet999]

Deadline is in (expired on 2011-06-09 23:00:00)

[silverbullet999]

OH THE BLOODY THING IS LITERALLY A COUNTDOWN!! THAT'S AWESOME!

*ahem*

Touche

[silverbullet999]

mastin has vanished?

[silverbullet999]

VOTE: pine

[silverbullet999]

bad, and his overall reaction to being questioned about it, worse

[silverbullet999]

UNVOTE: Pine
he's dumb
I forgot he counterclaimed to get dk killed, could be bussing i guess but eh for now

ns being like he is has normally meant scum ns... (though he maybe does this as town now too? )

nonetheless VOTE: ns

[silverbullet999]

btw nham where you at

[silverbullet999]

somebody else also hasn't had any decent pressure on him all game... it's nobody special... but i think he's the special one for today!

[silverbullet999]

I still don't see the case on maxous... then again i've succesfully led one lynch so far on a townie and missed those other two lynches of scum, so I may very well be (and probably am) a raving blind idiot.

-Zeph
can you post a nice detailed case on mazous if you don't mind?

[silverbullet999]

-Zepher
Thank you for the case and I do agree with the reasoning.
-----------

Post 1087 also rubs me the wrong way. There is absolutely no reason to clear Nobody Special. "Because the cop "hinted" at it" doesn't cut it at all. He easily could have seen him as ObvTown just like Mastin with Toon.

I truly think Pine was just being an idiot (no offense), why would he counterclaim a fake claim by scum? What is the motivation behind that? Yes, I suppose he could have set it up to legitmately do that with his scum buddies I guess but I don't see that as making sense much at all.

I'd actually be happy with a maxous lynch or, even better a nobody special lynch since, literally he's contributed nothing and he mainly lurks like all hell when he's scum.

I'll keep my vote on NS but will be more than happy to switch between the two.

[silverbullet999]

@mod: Can we get a prod of NS

[silverbullet999]

-Max

No, KOC did not see NS as 'obvtown'.
And I would like to think KOC was good enough to breadcrumb his result in case he flipped.
In this post he particulary mentioned NS as town and nobody else. There was no need to address NS at all at this point, we were'nt talking about him.
And this happened to be the a player that was very lurky throughout Day 1 and would of been a very suitable cop investigation.

Wishful thinking and a dangerous assumption.

-Zeph
Jerk

[silverbullet999]

^ lol ^

Nobodyyy....

Quadzzz where's my prod!! >:O

[silverbullet999]

Glorious NS fulfilling his glorious promises.

All Hail NS!

[silverbullet999]

NS is almost mod-confirmed Town to me.

X pand

[silverbullet999]

Pay attention, Silver. Cop crumbed an innocent on NS. Godfather is dead. Toon is our SK.

The only way NS is scum is if we are misinterpreting a crumb from KoC where none exists. And I doubt that.

Ergo, nigh-confirmed Town.

This has absolutely nothing to do with the mod then....

Again I will ask you to expand NOW.

[silverbullet999]

YOU SAID HE'S MOD-CONFIRMED YOU HAVE NOT STATED ANY ACTIONS OF THE MOD TO BACK THIS UP.

[silverbullet999]

Pine... nevermind

Everyone list of most to least suspected
nham
ns
max
zeph
uite
pine
toon

[silverbullet999]

Literally has done nothing, normally when he does nothing he's scum, not really fully endowed to see oh! that comment from koc has to be a breadcrumb!

[silverbullet999]

how in all that is holy have you "proven" that ns is town... other than to restate what max said in that oh this statement of koc probably means he investigated him.

not pressured, pushed, or mentioned nham as my scum read? I've been on and off nham for awhile and stated my suspicions of him a few times.

Where's your list.

[silverbullet999]

All I'm asking for is a rank of scummiest to you to least scummiest, you could think everyone is scummy but your bound to have a top 2 or what not... now give

[silverbullet999]

why not uite

[silverbullet999]

I did, Iso 187 is the only post where you have actually said Uite is town. Iso 171 you encourage a Uite wagon, and only iso post 118 do you say, Uite is goodposting.

This isn't adding up, maybe pine did bus his partner? The one he counter claimed flipped as useless goon so...

VOTE: Pine

[silverbullet999]

Iso Post 108

He actually has explained himself. Over the last couple of pages he's declared almost everyone clear. I don't have the time nor inclination to look it up, but I believe you and NS are the only ones he hasn't.

UNVOTE: Uite
VOTE: Nobody Special

The role slip in his chart looks genuine, but could be a calculated "town slip". Enough to let him go for now.

Iso Post 118

How have I misinterpreted anything about the votes? I haven't actually started analysing yet, and have said so. It this stage, it's just a big heap of data.

I was referring to the incorrect interpretation you gave of me as scum. I admit that statement was a bit biased, as you were one of my top suspects at the time.

Uite's 860 is goodposting, though I agree that Toon is not a viable lynch for today. Mastin or Maxous are the correct choices, in that order.

Iso Post 171

Uite, NS, wagon on Zepher gogogo.

Iso Post 187

The only people I don't suspect right now are Uite and NS. You recently moved out of my Town reads.

My vote reflects my top scumread. All of my reads are complicated and confused, and are explained in detail. Rank ordering is trite and artificial.

[silverbullet999]

VOTE: Nobody Special

Yes.. I'm a blithering idiot

[silverbullet999]

Me saying I'm a blithering idiot means I mistook 171 at first thinking it meant, NS Uite and Zepher wagons need to build up. If you are going to lynch me, you lynch me now.

[silverbullet999]

1. So, silverscum wanted to start a wagon on you this late on a reason that makes literally no sense?

2. How does that work?

[silverbullet999]

3. Why are you and me the only one's posting in this thread...

(PROD REQUEST! )

[silverbullet999]

Pine... is now sure ns is scum... what?

-_-

[silverbullet999]

blocks someone actually useful for town? hm?

[silverbullet999]

UNVOTE:

[silverbullet999]

Pine you are seriously about to drive me batshit crazy.

How is the evidence "discarded"

All I see is pine didn't do anything night 1. Which confuses the shit outta me now why both toon and zeph are voting him.

I'm probably being a confused blind idiot again but I need explanations... also post 1214 just looks... wrong

[silverbullet999]

alright, that's all cleared up now... so I do understand.

I know someone had a list of claims at some point, could they repost it again and update the old with the new?

@zeph:
Why did you claim vt? I know you said "there was no reason for me to claim." but in post 1162 you say this

@Toon
I've said like 2 or 3 times already that I'm VT, but I think a couple of those were soft soooooo

Mod: I'm V/LA for the next week because I no longer have internet at my house, and I actually have stuff to do at work now.

[silverbullet999]

I dont like any of this...

@mod: With your rules (even if this role is not in this game) would the SK be forced to do a night kill each night or no?

[silverbullet999]

Alright here's my proposal, I don't like zeph's claim.. it's way too convenient. Max makes a few good points. Maybe I'm a jackass but I'd rather see Zeph's flip, if he does flip joat then ns is probably scum and we kill him tomorrow.

Pine you can block whomever though I'd prefer you don't block Toon.

VOTE: zeph

[silverbullet999]

also we have roughly 3 days left

[silverbullet999]

@Zeph
Yes I suppose but the way NS's wagon just built up to L-1 didn't seem... town driven. As I said your claim is a bit too convenient for my taste. If you do flip joat then this wagon more than likely has scum on it thus probably being ns and perhaps max as well.

Also the more I think about Pine's actions for today, the more I can see the early game as bussing to earn town cred and his "acting" dumb being a legit scum move. Your flip will assist in providing this info.

[silverbullet999]

@mod V/LA til tuesday I believe

[silverbullet999]

I'm going to assume toon killed off Max, and scum killed off toon

Pine.... are you just literally trying to be the worst town role blocker in all of existence... or are you just a scum role blocker.

The whole point of zepher being kept alive was to protect toon as he said so his friggen self. I could easily see a pine zeph scum team but i'm not fully sure of that... nham shit if I know.. maybe sk if that's possible... uite... again shit if I know... but good god man.

This idiocy has to stop

VOTE: Pine

I'm not moving this... for better or worse... probably better.

-Zeph
What is your last ability?

(Also would like to place money that we don't have an sk and that's it's just two mafia left since the game hasn't ended yet.)

[silverbullet999]

Are you kidding? Zeph was lying, or at least forced the lynch off of himself and onto a Townie. I thought we were clear on this.

It is now apparent that the KoC clear on NS was legit. It's common for scum PRs to claim JOAT.

Zeph may or may not have been lying, he laid the claim that Toon would not die at night as long as he was left alive.

Your blocking prevented this. Thus essentially preventing Toon from being alive and Zeph from proving or disproving his claim.

I don't care what's common.

[silverbullet999]

Pine is scum. It's completely open and shut at this point.

[silverbullet999]

Uite never had the chance to hammer...

[silverbullet999]

The lack of this game being ended already (assuming 2 scum) means either i'm scum or pine is scum... so let's think about this further... this also means that at least one of us is probably voting a townie (there is a possibility that there is bussing so both scum could be the lynch candidates.. or both scum could be possibly voting to... ) but at the very least again from the above fact... the most likely scenario is one of the two people with a vote is scum and one of the two people voting is scum... Which is the constant in the equation...

[silverbullet999]

The lack of this game being ended already (assuming 2 scum) means either i'm scum or pine is scum... so let's think about this further... this also means that at least one of us is probably voting a townie (there is a possibility that there is bussing so both scum could be the lynch candidates.. or both scum could be possibly voting to... ) but at the very least again from the above fact... the most likely scenario is one of the two people with a vote is scum and one of the two people voting is scum... Which is the constant in the equation...

I very much enjoy the illusion of content in this post.

zepher... it's logic... (unless scum just haven't had the time to quickhammer... which doesn't have all that much sense) assuming 2 scum, either I'm scum or Pine is scum or we are both scum because of a lack of a quickhammer.

[silverbullet999]

Actually I did. If you look at mu posting history, you can see that I was online after MrZepher's vote. I didn't have a lot of time, and I was still debating what to do, so I didn't post.

Too lazy to check but it's proven now at the least (Though that doesn't necessarily force you to be town >:D Ala Pine-Uite team is a possibility however low or high I do not know)

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I'm saying it's a possibility is all. I'm only certain of Pine at this point.

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Dead QT? Care to expand on this?

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I'm not connecting what a dead qt has to do with any of what you said.

Also why did it take you so long to come to the realization that from you being a "townie", me and zeph must have been a scum pair.

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Pine, if you ever want to explain a knowledge of a dead qt... and your very delayed enlightement, feel free to do so.

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Then why would you say, "the dead qt" if you have no knowledge of a qt for this game?

But thank you for confirming that my realization is correct.

Straight from the horses' mouths now, gentlemen. Both of them.

I should be thanking you for
1. blatently misrepping
2. further confirming you are in fact scum (If you were a townie, you wouldn't have needed any confirmation that your realization is correct, again it's simple logic)
3. Again avoiding the actual question.

Also why did it take you so long to come to the realization that from you being a "townie", me and zeph must have been a scum pair.

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Are you fucking serious? I just didn't see it at first. Kind of like your continued idiocy regarding the concept of sarcasm.

So the Dead QT is now just sarcasm?

and what didn't you see at first?

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I liked TWB pine scum more.. he was less annoying.

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No you're like you were in the early beginnings of TWB... before Mastin "cleared" you

[silverbullet999]

I'm willing to wait til nham's mega post

[silverbullet999]

prodz please...

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That's a low desperate move pine.... even for you...

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@Pine

It's a low brow move to request replacements of players who can decide the fate of the game, especially when at least one of them originally felt you were scum to that point.
TWB lasted forever, I'd consider that I know you well enough.

@Uite

I think I was thinking he was admitting that his scum qt was dead in that him and his partner planned everything out, or his partner didn't respond. I now realize he was probably talking about the possibility of an actual dead qt with dead members. I get another idiot point for that. Anyway

Uite it comes down to this I think (unless their is only one scum and not 2). Either A. Pine is scum, or B. me AND zepher have to be scum. It's literally impossible to decide otherwise so I seriously do hope you actually A. Look at pine and/or B. Look at both me and zeph as a whole....

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@Pine

Wait one other thing...

You've played exactly one game with me, Silver. Do not presume to know me. I read that statement as a bald-faced attempt to paint my every word as something it is not, and ascribe false motive to my actions.

What exactly am I ascribing false motive to.

Kindly replace Uite and nham with people containing half a brain.

This should be an easy Town win at this point, with both scum risking everything on a LyLo lynch.

You are literally stating "Lol Uite and nham are dummiez and won't listen to me. This game is so ez now and obvious the dumb noobs. Please replace both of them so that the new people will possibly listen to lil ol me, kthxbi!"

The bold is for emphasis. Great misrep though once more.

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Unless it's Silver/Nham?

Impossible else he would have hammered.

*kicks nham in the balls for not posting his walls*

[silverbullet999]

Deadline is in (expired on 2011-07-12 00:00:00)

Uite and nham no need to vote yet... but your feelings and questions on things would be really nice.

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I basically have been saying what you just said -_-.

I'm a little saddened you really think that me going switching to zepher was really some sort of bus and that you didn't find two are three posts in a row all voting for ns suspicious (simply the quick growth of the ns wagon) at all suspicious.

Simply put, Pine has been playing the idiot card since early on, blocking people he shouldn't have blocked. He's done this consistently. I'd suggest you go with individually or see if my individual scumminess and zepher's are greater than pine's. You also shouldn't ignore the possibility that it's once again another bus, Ala Pine and Zeph are both scum bussing eachother. This is not a scenario I'd like to test though (ala go with what I know for fact, ala Pine).

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For me, there's really only two possibilities, and one of those seems more and more likely.

Detail tends to win more favor... we are (supposedly) at lylo and your pulling this, why?

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The size of the scum team should never be certain pine... unless you are part of said team...

Do expand though what the motivation is or objective of me adding supposedly is as a scum.

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Seriously?

To insert the idea that we might be able to afford a mislynch. Hell, if we could afford a mislynch, I'd self-hammer in order to prove you and Zepher as the final scum, and produce a Town win.

But we can't afford a mislynch.

Three scum is entirely too small when stacked against the Town power of a Roleblocker, Vig, 1-Shot BP, and THREE Masons. Five would not only be overpowered against our starting number, but if there were three remaining they'd already have won. No, it's 2v3, and the fact that you're pushing doubt into that when the

safest

ONLY safe course is to assume we're in LyLo is a ludicrous scumslip.

If you people aren't prepared to lynch Zepher, I'm more than willing to settle for his buddy.

Unvote
Vote: Silver

So a post with me being pissed at uite for not giving details when we are getting close to deadline and stating that we are more than likely at lylo, with a slight possibility that we aren't because nothing is certain (unless you are mod) is really me... telling uite or nham to be reckless and a scumslip? The most ironic thing here is that you are now even switching your own words.

We're in LyLo, because four starting scum are all that makes sense.

ONLY safe course is to

assume

we're in LyLo

Your slipping up m8 and misrepping badly.

P-EDIT
Well now I'm certain n-ham is town and the teams is pine and uite for several reasons.

Uite completely ignores giving any and all explanation to his vote as well as completely ignoring me asking for an explanation about his post. Uite literally goes from this

Pine is scum. It's completely open and shut at this point. As for the buddy, nhammen is definitely the most likely candidate.

(Early Day Bussing)

To this

Sure, I'll join you.

VOTE: silverbullet999

This is literally the biggest scum slip one can possibly make. His attitude has made a complete 180 during the course of this day with no explanation. He was never tempted to vote Pine and Pine went right away to clear Uite. Townies should be completely open in these last days. You have done that, I have done that, Pine has feigned that, Zeph has done that, Uite is the only one who has barely posted reasons for his actions, or really posted much at all. This should be completely clear nham.

This is all up to you now nham.

A few more key things.

Pine didn't realize initially that if he were a townie and if there were two mafia (when neither you nor Uite hammered) that the scum team would have to be me and zeph. He admits this himself and it should be the first thing any actual townie realizes.

Again Uite lacks any explanation for his actions.

Another thing to remember as well is that Pine will be lynched if a lynch vote isn't actually cast and as long as the votes on him don't move. This may have given uite the incentive to try to join Pine in a final stand.

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^More slips of a scum roleblocker forgetting he's supposed to be a town roleblocker^

I would like to point out that the above post does not contain the panic and frantic requests to unvote that a Townie about to lose would contain.

Why would I at all be panicking and requesting the scum team to unvote me? Again you are forgetting I'm a townie. One of two things will occur right now when nham logs in assuming 2 scum.
A. Nham quickhammers me and wins for scum which would be you and him. I've had a pretty good feeling on nham so I feel that this won't happen, and I've been getting a worse and worse feeling about Uite as this day progressed.
B. Nham posts and doesn't hammer where upon which we debate some more or answer questions and what not and Nham is fully cleared as definite town.
C. Nham posts and quickhammers you, he couldn't be scum doing that else he'd have done it a long time ago and thus this game is more or less in the bag for us townies since Uite has revealed himself to be scum.

There's this last one that's highly unlikely and I don't think will occur but
D. Zeph quickhammers me and this was all an elaborate bus on both your parts and again a scum win occurs.

My bet is B happens.

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Pine if you were at all a townie roleblocker you would have realized that you could block zeph as soon as you started typing oh if I die take down zepher. You know in actuality that if you get my lynch the game ends and your scum team wins so you didn't think carefully enough about the actual possibilities of the day after until after you posted said scenario.

also Uite literally vanishes once more. If nham ends up being scum and Uite is actually a townie... I'm going to kick your ass so fucking much Uite.

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sigh i hate everyone.

I'm assuming uite was the idiot

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this is also why I say to lynch me before lylo, cause noone ever fucking listens.

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Don't talk to me... I'm in a bad mood and I fucking hate uite right now

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UITE DONT YOU FUCKING DARE

DON'T YOU EVER FUCKING DAREEE I FUCKING POINTED OUT EVERY SINGLE SCUM FUCKING SLIP PINE MADE BUT YOU DIDN'T FUCKING LISTED

FUCK YOU YOU STUPID FUCKING CUNT

IN A GAME WITH 1374 POSTS YOU FUCKING POSTED 40 TIMES... FUCKING 40 TIMES SO GO FUCK YOURSELF

[silverbullet999]

STFU PINE STFU

UITE FUCKING LURKED AND DIDN'T DO SHIT NOR SAID ANY FUCKING EXPLANATION

WHICH IS WHY I GOT HEAVILY CONVINCED THAT HE WAS SCUM SO THERE WAS NO FUCKING NEED TO WORRY ABOUT HIM

GO FUCK YOURSELF AS WELL FOR YOUR LOW BROW TACTICS TRYING TO GET HIM REPLACED.

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Bullshit, you said you wanted them replaced which worked only for you at that time in that Uite wanted to lynch you

I warn you that i'm in a bad mood

and Uite then has the gumption to go, Oh well you deserved it.

Both of you are on my first ever blacklist
Uite for being a useless lurking fucktard
You for the low brow tactics.

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Kindly replace Uite and nham with people containing half a brain.

This is a request for replacement of 2 players.
There is no hahahaha joke
This is a serious request to get Uite to stop being a threat.
It's a low brow tactic.

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I'm not stating this has anything to do with a loss or win but it's an incredibly desperate and dishonorable move to try to snake a win.

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The intent was real, it would have bettered him at the time if Uite was replaced, sure there's no actual result from it but it could have been possible seeing how uite again literally lurked most of this game.

[silverbullet999]

I call bullshit and you can't prove it either way.

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Scum would want replacements if they believe a lurking townie is going to vote them. Again I don't believe you.

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For me, there's really only two possibilities, and one of those seems more and more likely.

Nope you just pulled this little stupid shit in your one of 39 actual game related posts (and even that's a stretch)

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Pine again fuck you,
I'm not actually mad at losing
I'm pissed as all hell that Uite is laying the blame for the loss solely on me when he literally did nothing
and you for the low brow tactic you tried to pull and you now getting all high and mighty about the win.

[silverbullet999]

This

Meh, you deserved it. You seriously fucked it up the last day.

Does not imply this

I admit Zepher played a big part in it as well.

[silverbullet999]

Look at my first post of the day.

Sorry I missed that one amazing mind shattering post way back when... it's not like there were a whole lot of other posts on the day.

[silverbullet999]

What part of

I'm pissed as all hell that Uite is laying the blame for the loss solely on me when he literally did nothing

do you not understand

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Where the fuck did I say that Pine?
Are you High?
Where do you get, I'm getting solely blamed for the loss by Uite means I played this game fucking perfectly and did no wrong?

[silverbullet999]

zeph was vt?!

why zeph... why.... >_<

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You should have let me get lynched... i knew i'd end up being useless which is why I wanted to be a martyr.

I remember reading that one post where you complemented me on being competent in TWBB and asked myself... did we read the same game? : P

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I'd rather not read it, $10 says pine dissuades it saying i'm an idiot or something of the sort.

[silverbullet999]

It wasn't just cause it was tricycles?

Ice doesn't hate me? Or was that Darth... ?

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@Yoshi

ICE and I were both frustrated with you. Hate is a strong word, I try not to hate. Speaking only for myself, I'd be fine playing a game with you again. But it was irritating for both of us, I think. Also, I said this in the QT, but I take issue with how you treated Uite post-game. Yeah, Uite's play was a great big ball of suck, but that doesn't excuse calling him a c***.

Fair enough, I sometimes like to frustrate people and cause them to slip... the degrees of success vary greatly thus sometimes... with this time being an utter failure.

I toss curse words for the most part somewhat easily when i'm pissed (or feign to be pissed for different reasons). When I'm super pissed I'll tend to be over the top. I literally got super heavy pissed at the arrogance of post 1374 and frankly think he deserved every little bit of what I said.

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Thanks for the moderation Quadz.

Guys - don't fake claim power roles if you don't have one. Both claims strongly helped screw the town over.
I actually agreed with Uite's vote, I would of also went for the Zepher/Silver team.
The mafia team was the better team after D3 onwards and duly won. It certainly was not one of my better games personally.
We were a bit unlucky that the 2 strongest town players were mason lovers but

luck of the draw

I suppose.

Pine is really good at faking emotion, I will have to remember that.

Maxous, thing is if you were alive, you might have actually done some scumhunting.. or at least posted actual content and I might have thought you were actually town.

I figured Uite was scum so again was naturally not surprised by his vote because of his lack of content and his 180 while fully withholding info.

If I actually had info and realized what Uite was thinking, then maybe I could have convinced him otherwise but he didn't do anything.