Newbie 1120 - The Scum in Sherlock (Over!)

[Hellhound1]

Hey guys, new to all this so please go gentle with me
If it's totally random, then

Vote: Awesoma

simply because he's top of the list.

[Hellhound1]

I will tell you why I changed my mind later.

A sneaky cliffhanger to keep yourself in the game after being accused?
UNVOTE: Awesoma
VOTE: cloudocean

[Hellhound1]

@Hellhound1
How is "I will tell you later" sneaky in anyway? Also, do you think that me being accused implicates me leaving the game?

In case you get called out and try to stay in by saying you'll tell us something important the next day? Just a thought
And no, but it certainly gives direction to point a finger...

[Hellhound1]

@Hellhound1
1. Can you point out where I said I would explain my revote "the next day"?
2. Can you also point out where I said my explanation is "important"?

I didnt say the first one, dont put words in my mouth please. As i stated, it was just a thought.
And you didnt, but if it isnt important you could tell us now.

[Hellhound1]

@Hellhound1
1.

In case you get called out and try to stay in by saying you'll tell us something important

the next day?

2. I don't think degree in importance has a link to an instant explanation.

1) Whole quote was

In case you get called out and try to stay in by saying you'll tell us something important the next day? Just a thought

Notice,

Just a thought

.

2) Theres no point withholding non-important information unless a) it's you trying to get people to keep you in or b) you're lying.

[Hellhound1]

Woops, ruined a quote tag there. It uses speech marks, thats a new one on me

[Hellhound1]

You can't misquote me and try to say that's the meaning of my words, i only said that it would be a possible gameplan, and least for D1.
Wasnt so hard was it?
I'll keep my vote where it is for now.

[Hellhound1]

Unfortunately, were random lynching, which we have to do for the first day.

So, as a response to you, Hellhound, I choose you

VOTE: Vote:Hellhound1

Fair enough, although i've unvoted you, and voted someone else, because as Thor said, things are happening.

[Hellhound1]

@Hellhound1
1. I did not misquote you. I left out the end, because I do not feel a state of conjecture excuses one from backing their own words - a belief that you have failed to challenge as per my request (i.e. you avoided my question).
2. Is there a reason why you're still voting me?
3. Is there a reason why you unvoting changes the fact that you voted him [Awesoma] and he felt a need to respond?

1) I misunderstood the question, it was simply a possibility. At this point you didnt state the importance of the information, and so i assumed that because you wouldnt reveal it after being accused as scum, it must have some importance. It was a thought i wrote down, during the shortlived random phase, sorry if i cant 100% back it up.
2) Because theres no one better to vote for, yet. If someone else appears scummier, then i shall transfer my vote.
3) Just pointing out it was random is all..

Please, dont read too deeply into my words yet, im just getting to know everybody

[Hellhound1]

In most of his games, according to his Wiki page, he virtually never got scum.

In no way accusing him, i believe him to be town so far, but that doesnt stop him being scum, i dont believe he has a choice whether or not he's scum..

[Hellhound1]

Well so far i've

tried

to put in some thought to my vote, except yours obviously.
But im just pointing out that

I hate to be posting a LOT, but I believe Thor is innocent. In most of his games, according to his Wiki page, he virtually never got scum.

doesnt stop him being scum in this game.
I'd just be careful saying he's innocent because he isnt scum alot, this could be the exception

[Hellhound1]

I'd like to hear cloudocean's latest opinion on Thor, and your opinion on Thor and Cloud, Awesoma.

[Hellhound1]

@Hellhound1
1. You never gave your opinion on Thor's contradiction. What makes him town? He hasn't done anything remotely townie. Buddying (calling ninja town), using faulty logic (calling my revote explanation a retroactive RV), and contradicting himself (see most recent posts by myself) is hardly townie.

I think calling ninja town was sarcasm, because he did nothing. The only thing for that would be a REALLY over obvious scum team, and i dont think he's that stupid, so unless im wrong, which is entirely possible, he's town.
It sounds to me as well that he thinks you're scum, and hes fitting the evidence to it, which is all we have to go on so far..
Also i feel that the random voting

very quickly

ended, because he had a hunch on you, and its BW already.

But without everyone else's input (swag, hiplop etc), the guys who havent yet said anything on the current issue, i cant really say. Maybe one of them will try jumping on the BW, and we catch scum, or it BWs on them..

[Hellhound1]

1) So you're happy to say that buddying with ninja wasnt a scum move?
2) Sorry but its not so much the evidence you've given but more the suspicious withholding of information at the start, it just seems dodgy, and until i see someone else do something that scummy im holding my vote on you, answering #4.
3)His contradiction seems relatively small to me, more like he got confused about what he was saying, i will go back and re-read it again however, and see what his reply to your latest questions to him were. If they contradict ill pull my vote off you, but so far i think he's managed to explain it..

Actually, I said it wasn't 'that' scummy - which is totally different than saying it wasn't scummy

it wasn't that scummy until you couldn't explain it right away - #24

5) Sorry, but theres 2 scum players, if you're one theres still a chance we catch another..
6) Im not, if something else comes up to prove your innocence then i will quite happily take my vote off you, regardless of what he does.

[Hellhound1]

@Hellhound - please do re-read my "contradiction" I deny it even exists and deny that I was confused.

I see what you mean, he took the context out of your words and twisted them, like he's reading too much into your words.
Im with you on this, anyway, so ill keep my vote where it is, reasoning being that you(cloudocean) keep trying to twist things round to take heat off of yourself.
Oh and your own contradictions need seeing to, they dont make sense unless you're scum and you're trying to throw us off of you.

[Hellhound1]

-Finally, on page three, decent analytical behavorial analysis was already taking place, and as such, actually gave something to back-up a vote. This is where we are now.

However you removed your vote from cloudocean, even though he accused Thor of contradiction, while he himself contradicted himself

2. Awesoma: Makes decisions based on past roles. Contradicted self (see #4 under Awesoma in this post). Buddied Thor. = Leaning scum.
3. Ninja: Was buddied by Thor --> leaning town. No need for scum to buddy their own partners so early on...

Also,

I know, he easily couldve gotten it this time, but based on his "Luck" Id say he is innocent for this Day (Day1) only. Once we
find out another person's role, then That will make the voting process much clearer in term\s of who we think is guilty and innocent.

Who says that we'll find out another person's role? What if we just have a doctor? Unless, of course, you are the mafia rolecop.
That makes me think you have a power role.

[Hellhound1]

as long as I'm right about cloudocean?

I really hope you are right about cloudocean, he seems the most logical choice, for me, atm. He's tried to twist our words, and contradicted himself.
So if he isnt, ill be mightily surprised..

[Hellhound1]

At the moment that is, obviously im not tying myself down on the second day..

[Hellhound1]

Contradiction isn't a very reliable scumtell in my opinion.

I do believe he used it as a way of calling you scum?

[Hellhound1]

2. Awesoma: Makes decisions based on past roles. Contradicted self (see #4 under Awesoma in this post). Buddied Thor. = Leaning scum.
3. Ninja: Was buddied by Thor --> leaning town. No need for scum to buddy their own partners so early on...

A contradiction.

And because so far, since that change of mind, you havent really been scum hunting, just defending yourself as much as possible. Which i believe is a scummy thing to do.

[Hellhound1]

Then, cloudocean, do you think either Thor or Awesoma are scum?

No but you defended yourself by twisting what we said, thats not very innocent is it?

and it turned out thor didnt have a contradiction and Awesome... well idk about them yet.

[Hellhound1]

Lemme refer you to post #27
and for your second point, to post #60

As far as im concerned, Awesoma is leaning town, Thor IS town, and you're leaning scum. Although im waiting for ninjacheese and the others who havent yet posted, to post.

[Hellhound1]

Im on my phone so ill keep it short, buy i vote cloudocean still because of the way hes twisted what i said, and what Thor said, to make us sound scummy. That to me is the scummiest thing so far.

[Hellhound1]

Still on phone so i can't add any real content, except scumhunter seems to have jumped to clouds defense pretty quickly, ignoring the points put forward, and blindly defending him. Also i believe awesoma is inning, just from something he said.

[Hellhound1]

Yeah you're yet to put forward a better case..
Infact, your case against Thor is a joke.
So far its all we have to go on and you'd rather blindly defend cloud than ask a serious question. Why?

[Hellhound1]

Thor665 is scum, cloudocean is town. Will explain shortly.

Also, you made a very bold statement, and then failed to back it up in any way. Saying ocean is town because you don't agree with Thor is just stupid. Atm my finger is pouting at you & cloud as scum.

[Hellhound1]

@Thor i don't yet believe scumhunter is town, he came much too quickly to clouds defense without any reason.

[Hellhound1]

[quote="cloudocean"
1. (Post 27) I directly quoted you. I left the last bit out because I felt it wasn't necessary - it didn't change the meaning and you never responded to me when I asked "does conjecture excuse backing words up?" There was no twisting of words.
2. (Post 60) Already addressed this. Explained it twice. Try again.
3. Why are you on Thor's dick?
4. Why is Awesoma leaning town? I want 3 solid reasons.[/quote]
You cant directly quote me, leave out the rest of it and say thats what i said. I said it was just a thought and you have constantly ignored that.
I'm not. Whys scumhunter on your dick? Theres an equally stupid question.
And well I'm guessing awesoma has a power role. Obviously i don't want him to out if he is the cop, but o suspect he is. I might be wrong and awesoma was making an assumption him/her self.

[Hellhound1]

Ballsed up the quote -.-

[Hellhound1]

I have a feeling Swag will be replaced tonight. It'll be good to see how a new person reacts, i feel like thor & ocean are getting nowhere, and scumhunter has jumped to oceans aid too quickly for my liking.

[Hellhound1]

Indeed i am, but more because you had a similar idea to me. And im hardly leeching.
Ive put my own case forward thank you very much!
It appears however its leaning towards scumhunter, my second choice for scum. Which i decided ON MY OWN a while back in a post.
Oh well ill see what happens before maybe changing my vote or not

[Hellhound1]

Though recognize that if Scum flips scum than cloud is most likely town. Your Scum/Cloud scum pair is rather unlikely.

Would you explain for me please how you came to that conclusion?

[Hellhound1]

I kind of understand, but you switched your vote from CO to Scum, so if Scum flips town, that sets up CO as scum, right? So, as he's my number one scum suspect and my vote, IF we have a cop, can i ask politely for him to be watched overnight?
If he turns out town the next day, then obviously i was wrong, however if he turns out scum that'd prove you were right.

Just a thought

<-- see that CO? Just a thought k?

[Hellhound1]

Thats if Scum flips town, if he flips scum then by your thinking, thor, hes town anyway..

[Hellhound1]

Therefore - Scumhunter and cloud are highly unlikely to be buddies.

Scumhunter being town will not prove CO scum in any meaningful way.

Ahh k. Ill assume a gut feeling

[Hellhound1]

Im saying that i linked your posts.
I may have flipped up the second quote though, it doesnt quite work the way i wanted it to.

Basically im trying to confirm that you think that one is scum, and IF you turn out to be wrong, would you then think the other was scum?

[Hellhound1]

Meh, i think lynching scumhunter would be a bad idea. I still think cloud is scummier, and although my second choice is Scum, im starting to change my mind.
If we lynch him, i have a bad feeling we'll be lynching town.

[Hellhound1]

You're my second choice because you've been defending cloud, even though there was no reason to, you just seemed to jump in and defend him.
Swag hasnt posted and i think is being replaced later, and starttransmission, well i dunno.
I don't like how awesoma revealed her role so quickly, 1) she was under very little pressure and 2)i dont believe her, im starting to think awesoma

may be

scum (Or a town power role and doesnt want the attention)
I'd like to see who swag's replacement is and question them.

[Hellhound1]

Yeah but you cant rule real life out of this though. I know ive had problems getting on anything over the weekend.

And i know its early, but i feel like people have already started to read into every meaning of every word.
For example, you seem to collapse under pressure. Although you were against lynching cloud not so long ago, i post a little bit of pressure and you vote him. At least, thats how i see it.
Also, my case against scum is that he jumped into defending cloud without any actual reason, which seems scummy to me. Although now im starting to believe he's town. I still stick with cloud being scum, but i may be switching my views on scum being.. scum, to you being scum.

[Hellhound1]

You bring up a valid point, and I do know that roles are assigned randomly. Since you seem to have a good argument and that other players are starting to look suspicious in a valid way, and not just a mindless voting way, then I withdraw my vote.
UNVOTE: cloudocean

Your response to Scum's post. And Scum hasnt changed his points. Why the vote on cloudocean then?

[Hellhound1]

I don't like how awesoma revealed her role so quickly, 1) she was under very little pressure and 2)i dont believe her, im starting to think awesoma

may be

scum (Or a town power role and doesnt want the attention)

1. This line of questioning is not a pro-town line of questioning.
2. Awesoma is fairly obvious town.

Obvious to you maybe, yet this is my first forum game, and having played a fair few epicmafia games i know people out their roles d1. But that doesnt seem logical here. 3 weeks compared to 10 minutes is a big difference, and so awesoma outing when under a tiny bit of pressure looks a bit nervous to me.

Hellhound is now starting to look pretty town, which makes me feel better about his lips being adhered to my buttocks earlier in the game. That said, I keep feeling like he's barking up totally inconsequential an dincorrect trees. Meh, at least it's scumhunting - which puts him ahead of 50% of the rest of the game already.

I frequently adhere my lips to people's buttocks..
Im just checking every option and applying a little pressure here and there, can't fault me for trying. Im still thinking cloud is scum and Scum is town, so i wont be jumping on scum's bandwagon, therefore removing my lips from your buttocks for a period of time.

[Hellhound1]

Christ, by the time I get home and have a little time to catch up fully we'll probably be on page 9 and I'll really be fucked.

Yeah and its been 4 days since you posted. Mod prod?

[Hellhound1]

@Mod: ninjacheese needs prod as well as starttransmission?

[Hellhound1]

This seems suspicious to me. Firstly, why are you placing your 'hopes' on someone else (Thor) being right? It's so early, and you seem to be aligning yourself with Thor? And if he's not scum, you'll be mightily suprised? Kind of looks like an 'out' for me. Meaning, if he does flip to be town, then you have an escape goat in Thor.

Thor seems to be the towniest of us all, why wouldn't i?
Your 'out' theory doesn't work though, Thor is no longer voting cloudocean, i still am. I'm afraid that theory is broken.

Granted, this is small - but it did catch my eye. Why the "we"? Seems like you're making it seem as if ocean has it out for the two of you.

Read pages 1 - 4 i think. Look at how he takes somethinf i say, and something Thor says, and misquotes both of us. I see that as a fairly legit 'we'.

Again with the whole "me and Thor" thing? I'm not saying you're necessarily budding up to him - but it sure looks like it! Afterall, from what I've seen, ocean hasn't even said much towards you.

My same point again. This is about the same subject under the sane circumstances, so 'we' = 'me & thor'.
Theres nothing wrong with pointing out that 'we' were misquoted.

:s Firstly, if you suspect him of having a power role, then please dont mention it - pretty sure its against our interest. Secondly, this is not necessarily the view I get from what he's done/said so far (read above). Also, again it seems you have another 'out' with your "i might be wrong". It just seems that a lot of your arguments are based on "yes no maybes" and you're not really sure of what you might or might not be saying.

Actually i was trying to pressure her, when she said "when we find out who is inno and who is guilty" is what struck me as odd. We might all be townies with 2 maf..
and the only other way would be to be the mafia rolecop. So it was pressure on awesoma. Looks like my pressure worked anyway and she panicked. Also, just a thought coz i meant nothing by it, it was just to pressure awesoma.

Did not like this post at all. Firs tof all you make some assumptions. Then you're quietly asking for a cop to watch them overnight? I dont see how this helps us. For all we know, you're scum ...going to hit this person (if they don't get lynched), and have our cop waste an investigation. There's just so much possibilities going on at the moment, its still early - and I really dont like that you've started the "if i was right..then he must be xxx" etc. And yes, I know you said this is just a thought. Again, just pointing out stuff that I don't like and seem dodgy.

Because at this rate scum will be lynched, and my suspicion is on cloud still. Also, your logic fails just a little, your main point there is that if i was scum id lynch cloudocean wasting the cop's investigation..
One, we might not have a cop, and two you're assuming cloud is town. The only certain way to know this would be you being scum. Obviously thats a large step of logic to take, but.. just a thought

In reference to Scumhunter. I don't see it as overly defending. From my viewpoint, cloud and thor could be both town and just scumhunting how they know best. This is part of the game. Scumhunter has pointed this out and so has hoopla.

There was bandwagon on ocean. Scum then literally threw himself infront of ocean for no apparent reason. I fail to see how thats scum hunting.

Anyway I'm on my phone so sorry for any messed up quotes, i tried
I hope that answers your questions, however i feel your points were you don't like me agreeing with Thor, and you don't like me saying just a thought. Weak points in my opinion. I wish you'd have noticed I'm no longer kissing thor's ass, and that cloud HAD misquoted me and we'd argued for like 4 pages.

[Hellhound1]

@mod, torqez voted awesoma

although I'm sure you're asleep now.

Edited in, thanks.

[Hellhound1]

Hellhound is being a little too buddy buddy with thor for my liking.

Goddam, i agreed with him on cloudocean, he's changed his mind and has gone for Scumhunter and i still wanna lynch cloud, no buddy buddy |:
My lips are well removed from his ass cheeks, i promise you.

[Hellhound1]

Bump because i haven't posted for a while, i don't really have anything to add other than i still think Scum is town and a lynch on him would be a mistake. Also Thor is town and i still think cloud/DK is scum.

[Hellhound1]

Also, hellhound, you were at 2-3 days (can't remember whta I saw it at), before you posted your 'lurkerish' type post. Gonna add this to my things I don't like about you (refer my first post).

Oh no, please accept my most humble apology, ill do everything within my power to remove some points from your almighty and noble list.

Bump because i haven't posted for a while, i don't really have anything to add other than i still think Scum is town and a lynch on him would be a mistake. Also Thor is town and i still think cloud/DK is scum.

What are your thoughts on awesoma?

Thought she was town, being a relative noob i have no experience on other noobs and how they act, so really i can only go with what the more experienced say, about her being scum. But im not voting for her just yet. Its still cloud/DK to me.

[Hellhound1]

I'm going to wait until we have more posting going on by others. See what they have to say about the situation at the moment and what they think (yes, Hellhound1, I'd like you to elaborate too plz if possible?)

Scum is being the towniest all game ive seen, i think a lynch on him would be a mislynch, awesoma is turning scummy, DK seems a lot less scummy than cloud, yet its the same slot so im still biased at scum, i havent seen anything yet to change my mind, and you're asking an awful lot of irrelevant questions and tunneling Thor who is, imo, quite obviously town. Oh and WTF happened to ninjabee? Second scum right there.

[Hellhound1]

How does believing I'm town weaken a belief in Scumhunter town? There's actually no connection there at all.

I see that as you being so against scumhunter that if someone takes a view of you as town, that makes Scumhunter scum.

[Hellhound1]

Really wish i had something add, still.
However i somewhat doubt the validity of the claim, and either someone is going to counter claim, or hiplop got lucky and nobody actually is the jailkeeper.

Or a much, much smaller possibility, hiplop was telling the truth. But i doubt that.

[Hellhound1]

Ah :/ well i had him as scum from the beginning, woops! But i'll blame that on cloud's scummy acts and his inability to answer basic questions, not on DK.
Also, why was foilist killed? Wouldnt hiplop have been a better choice for scum to go for, as a known PR? Why was the person voting hiplop killed? Im still not sure about hiplop being the jailkeeper, firstly role pms say there

might

be a jailkeeper, not that there

IS

one, and hiplop may have guessed at a PR and said he was it, and now scum is seen as town, just because there isnt anyone to counter claim.

[Hellhound1]

Think for a moment, Thor. Then look at her reasoning. Obvious set-up is obvious, the last person voting me - he arrived at that conclusion pretty fucking fast, no way did he remember that without discussing it. We're dealing with a newbscum that thought it would be enough to get a mislynch on me.

Sorry but thats rubbish. OMGUS much?
Yes, im a newb, well done, however what im saying is perfectly true.
Im trying to make sure we dont miss something, and is used this reasoning BEFORE we lynched DK.
We might not have a cop or doctor, if your PR claim is true.
We also might not have a cop or jailkeeper, or doc or jailkeeper, all these possibilities are.. well.. possible.
So claiming you're the jailkeeper doesnt make you the jailkeeper.

[Hellhound1]

Really wish i had something add, still.
However i somewhat doubt the validity of the claim, and either someone is going to counter claim, or hiplop got lucky and nobody actually is the jailkeeper.

Or a much, much smaller possibility, hiplop was telling the truth. But i doubt that.

Theres proof i said it ages ago, no. 443.

[Hellhound1]

Congrats. If you were town you wouldn't be charging at a fairly obvious PR with no logic besides NK analysis that

you

control, and that i *COULD* be lying. I voted you yesterday, too hellhound. But ultimately the town rather had DK. So no, its not OMGUS.

Its not fairly obvious You could be lying..?
Using your logic, I could say im the doctor, and if no one else is then whether or not i am the doctor is irrelevant. You claimed a PR, doesnt mean you ARE the PR. Is that simple enough?

Secondly, Why WOULDNT scum kill a claimed PR? They obviously killed Foilist who, btw, was voting you.
And they didnt kill you.
So, hiplop, why didnt they kill you?
OH RIGHT scum cant night kill scum.

I love how you say nothing new..

I responded to your comment against me. What new stuff is there to add?

[Hellhound1]

you wouldn't be charging at a fairly obvious PR with no logic besides NK analysis that

you

control, and that i *COULD* be lying.

It's called pressure. Which you dont seem to like, and start throwing wild accusations around

[Hellhound1]

There are 4 roles that can be in the game (plus the vanilla townies). The town gets 2 of them out of the 4.

Let me just refer you to the first post.

Five or six people will receive this PM:

You are a vanilla townie.

Now, theres 9 players.
2 of which are scum, correct?
Leaves 7 players.

Just read that first post again yeah?

Five or six people will receive this PM:

You are a vanilla townie.

Notice: five or

six

If there are 6 vanilla townies, that leaves.. oooh...




1.

1 power role. Simple maths.
Yes, there could be 2.
But thats a 50/50 chance. Im willing to say theres 1 right now, because nobody else has claimed, or even should claim without any interesting info.

[Hellhound1]

If i were stupid, i could ask the other PR to come out; that would confirm me. I am still a member of town, and i'm finding scum in you. Your logic is still nothing. Yeah, i could be lying. I could also be telling the truth, its null because of that (aka not worth charging at). Or you know, if you read my posts you would realize i think its a set up due to the big wagon on me yesterday.
And how you sidestep my logic just repeating what you said previously..

Wouldnt confirm you, read above post.
Good for you, your reading skills are a bit off though. I say why has this happened, and you go around calling me scum.. How about you use some logic yourself, before i side step it?
Yes, because you were scummy until you claimed a PR. Claiming a PR doesnt mean you arent scum, just means you go lucky. You also protected thor, well yes well done, he's still alive. Anyone could say that, because he's still alive..
Doesnt mean you did anything.

If its a 50/50 chance, how are you willing to say there are more VT's?

Wut? If theres 1 power role theres 6 VTs, if theres 2 theres 5VTs.. Simple enough?

Btw if you think there are 6, then i'm confirmed, you realize that right?

No, it just means the real one hasnt claimed yet.
You are not confirmed, stop acting like you are. You havent done anything to confirm that you are the jailkeeper.

[Hellhound1]

I DONT CARE ABOUT THE GAME MECHANICS. seriously fuck off with that. Reply to my arguments.

I have, saying what you're saying isnt true, because of the game mechanics.
Seriously, if you're going to lie, make sure it works.
You can't make wild accusations at me, not have ANY evidence to back them up, and swear at me because you fail. Thats.. scummy

[Hellhound1]

hiplop, it is odd that mafia didn't shoot you if you are town as JK is very powerful particularly later in the game.

Exactly.
Why would they go to bother of MLing you when they couldve just killed you at night? I dont get it..

[Hellhound1]

--Further thoughts
1) Hellhound's rather triumphant WIFOMing today is scummy. NK analysis is one thing, but the super-confident crowing about how Foilist's death MUST mean Hiplop killed him is pushing it. Foilist was also crawling all over Thor yesterday, but Hellhound has completely ignored that in his zeal to lynch hiplop.

Firstly, i never said MUST. I dont feel i pressured hiplop at all D1 and when he was under pressure he claimed a PR. What im trying to do, and what nobody else seems to care about, is find out whether he's lying or not.
Why are YOU taking what he says as truth?

In response to the "I don't get it comment..." Um, for the same reason they would push any ML?

Why would they go to effort? Why not just lynch the JK then? Why kill a VT and set up a ML on a person the town probably wouldnt lynch now he's claimed a PR (whether or not he's telling the truth)
That logically doesnt make sense to me.

If hiplop is really scum, then his claim could have been a ploy to draw a CC; Foilist's immediate incredulity to Hiplop's claim would have marked him as possible JK based on that alone; if hiplop isn't scum, then Real scum wouldn't need to necessarily kill him right away because they have the ID of one PR, so why not try to flush out another?

Because he could do harm to the scum team..? I dont get why they've left someone in if, assuming he IS the JK, he can damage them.

Again, Foilist's reaction could have marked him as a potential PR.

Quote me one please. I dont see how he ever hinted at being a PR..

They can also use hiplop's claim to flush out another PR; for example, hoping a cop would have investigated him last night and put forth an innocent verdict. They can always kill him later if their gambit doesn't work.

I thought generally cops never outed unless they had a guilty and docs never outed?
Besides, if someone claims another PR, the only way to save them from dying that night is to JK them, meaning they lose their powers.. meaning they would vote hiplop anyway..?

Hellhound's focus ONLY on the fact that Foilist didn't believe Hiplop's claim

Let me stop you there. I have nothing to do with what Foilist thought. i havent once mentioned him as someone who's logic i followed. Lets clear that up. This is my line of thinking.

and was voting for him instead of questioning WHY Foilist didn't believe him makes me think he's scum trying to set up a Hiplop ML based on the premise that Hiplop wanted to kill Foilist because he saw him as a threat, when there could be many other explanations for the NK.

Because, i have my own reasons for not believing him. Just because i didnt contradict myself makes me scummy? What?
I said as soon as he claimed i didnt believe him, so did foilist. Please, try to disassociate my & foilist's beliefs.

Everything about this push is too easy and forced. (I'm also not sure if I'm clearly explaining what I mean. =\ I'll try to clarify if needed.)

Please, do.

2) Torquez strikes me as scummy for several reasons: for one thing, he is very over-enthusiastic, something that begins in his first post. For another, his introductory post leaves a lot of room to move in any direction (so basically a lot of fence-sitting). Subsequent postings feel more detached as well, like he's just going through the motions of scumhunting rather than actually doing so.

I know this is more for torquez to answer BUT, at least thats one step further than you've gone so far with your first post.

Let me ask you this.
Why have you jumped to Hiplop's aid so quickly?
Theres no scum hunting involved here, you've just run in defending hiplop, without looking at the possibility HE'S LYING.
If you'd bothered to read my mechanics post, you'd see that theres at least a 50/50 chance he got lucky. If theres just one PR, then theres a 2/3 chance of getting lucky.

my points on hellhound, not his fluff about mechanics

Urm, i was using to mechanics to prove that what you're saying could be bullshit.

[Hellhound1]

congrats, you barely understand basic mafia mechanics. Now start playing, we understand your horrible logic, but it remains horrible.

Right...
You, on the other hand, seem to completely misunderstand them?
You did nothing during the night to prove whether or not you are the jailkeeper.
Saying you're the jailkeeper doesnt make you the jailkeeper. How many more times and in how many different ways can i make that clear?
I could just as easily say im the doctor and last night i protected you. You couldnt prove me wrong, because you're still alive..
How are you not getting this?

[Hellhound1]

Right..
I call you scum and you cry like a baby about it.
Last time, you had the option to out a role, whether or not its true.
This time, what do you have?
Oh yeah, using someone else's case. Real big.

Mafia is about intelligently deciding what is true and false

Yeah, what did you think i was doing?
Deciding that you were a liar. What happened to the last person who said they didnt believe you? Killed. Now, i say i dont believe you, and you vote me to be lynched?
Your case against me, hiplop, is that you think im trying to ML you, and this is a whole set up? Am i correct?


Also, you (well not you, someone else) pointed out my flaws and now have a case?
Im pointing out your flaws and have a case..

[Hellhound1]

You're just saying " YOU COULD NOT BE TEH JAIILKEEPREZ SO YOU SCUM"

Im saying, actually, that you might not be the jailkeeper, and that claiming a PR doesnt make you a PR. So for all we know, you might be scum..

[Hellhound1]

Oh poor you.
If i was scum, do you think id do something as outstanding as this? try looking at the inactive awesoma etc.
Actually, im not going to get off this topic. Why do you want me to get off this topic? In case i find enough proof that you're a liar?
It seems awfully suspicious to me that you want me to get off this, rather than you just brush it to one side because you know you're the JK. Although, bit late for that now isnt it.
Maybe you dont care about the mechanics, but so far they've helped me build a case that you could be lying. Therefore i do care about them.
Infact, ive only used a little bit of mechanics, saying that theres a possibility that there is only 1 PR instead of 2. Making a big deal out of nothing much?
Oh, and you havent proven you're a PR. And im not yet trying to lynch you. In case you hadnt realised, i havent voted anyone, yet as soon as i pressure you, you throw your vote at me.

[Hellhound1]

1. You don’t necessarily have to say something in order to imply it; when I pointed out your insistence about hiplop, the “MUST” is something I inferred based on your choice of vocabulary and your tone.
RE: Your question: I’m willing to accept his claim at the moment because no one has countered; there is no reason NOT to believe him, and I don’t agree with you that scum would kill him for it when they could have also used their NK to get a player whom they perceived as being dangerous to them out of the way and push a lynch on hiplop today; the game will presumably last a few more nights, so they can comfortably kill him later.
I don’t know if he’s being honest or not, but I don’t want to kill the uncountered JK just because scum could be making a WIFOM gambit.

Firstly, its called pressure. Yes, i was implying he's scum to see his reaction. However, i also used a fair amount of coulds and maybes.
Secondly RE: RE: My question, Why is there no reason to not believe him? He was almost lynched D1 before he outed, because he was scummy. If he outs as a PR is he meant to be excused from all his scummyness and ignored? No. Theres my reason to not believe him.

Why wouldnt they kill someone who they knew was a PR? IMO, foilist hadnt really had a massive impact on the game, i dont see what logical reason there is for killing someone thats just a stab in the dark.
Also, doesnt letting him live benefit the town, because if he randomly JKs someone tonight and they turn out to not perform any NK, the scum have lost a) a night kill and b) a scum player. Which could happen tonight...

I never said we should lynch him at all, im putting pressure on him to see his reaction, and so far he's failed. The whole "leave me alone im bored" thing seems either highly immature or highly scummy to me.
He refuses to respond to my questions.

2. Your second point: I think I sort of addressed it in my first response. Just because someone claims doesn’t mean they will be killed, and their not being killed doesn’t mean they’re lying. It is a logical fallacy to insist otherwise.

For example (Making an analogy here): In 3-Card Monty with a crooked dealer (unknown to the player), the player might choose the center card as their pick for the “Joker” or whatever. The dealer picks up the middle card, and it’s the 2 of Spades. The player loses, assuming that either the card on the right or left is the joker because one of them HAS to be, right? But unknown to the player, the dealer is crooked, so actually NEITHER is. Had the player insisted the two side cards have been flipped instead of the center card, and then seen that neither was the Joker, then he could have called the dealer’s bluff and won, as the crooked dealer wouldn’t want the player to flip the center card and prove that it also wasn’t a Joker.

In this game, Mafia is the crooked dealer; they know things the rest of us don’t know, and it’s up to us to flip the right cards. Just because they do This or That doesn’t mean they can be counted on as reliable….follow? So, while one might expect that scum would outright kill a claimed PR, that doesn’t mean they HAVE to do so, or that they will do so.

No, i understand he wouldnt have to be killed, but when he was the best person to go for, why WASNT he killed? If theres no doctor, theres no one to save him right? At least if the mafia had attempted to kill him, and failed, they'd know theres a doctor, which is another step.
also, your "not being killed doesn’t mean they’re lying" Im using logic from D1, and mixing it into this to draw the conclusion.
I followed your analogy, i see what you're saying, but saying they dont HAVE to doesnt mean they wouldnt have.

You have to look at people’s intent as much as their actions here, because that’s where you will find scum.
I.E., I have a scum read on you because you’re accusing a claimed/uncountered PR of being scum because he wasn’t killed; you’re very smug about your conclusions, and whether or not you’re voting yet, you expect people to follow that logic or risk being accused themselves. (As you’ve done to me—I don’t agree with your logic, so you’re trying to twist that into a partnership with hiplop.) If you’re scum, perhaps you thought that your logical conclusion that “hey, hiplop’s not dead, so he must be scum!” would be met with acceptance right away? But you have completely failed to consider that this game isn’t always black and white.

You have a scum read on me, because im mixing logic from D1 and N1, and saying wait why wasnt hiplop killed? Then questioning him about it, and him frankly responding like a child. That makes ME scummy?
And you're saying the person who was almost lynched D1, because they'd actually been acting scummy, and claim a PR, isnt scummy, just because they claimed a PR?
Am i right?

3. Foilist’s disbelief of hiplop’s claim is the tell which I was referring to; that he was another PR and had reason to disbelieve it.

I cant see where foilist said he was a PR, quote it for me please?
Are you also ignoring scumhunter and torqez's comments that they dont believe him?

4. By hoping to out a cop, I mean that if scum can get hiplop run up to L-1, they could be hoping a cop investigated him and would declare him innocent, thus outing themselves. Presumably, a cop wouldn’t want to lynch the JK if he could clear him and would clear the JK before that happened. It would probably result in the NK of the JK and the kill of the cop the next night, but it also means that town would have two days with at least one or two-confirmed town to try to lynch more scum; in small games such as this one where flips have already happened, that’s even more important because the lynch pool shrinks even more.

You're assuming we have a cop. If we dont have a cop? If we have just the jailkeeper?

5. Your line of thinking is specifically about the fact that Foilist didn’t believe him; again, I inferred that you are only concerned with that as you haven’t given any other reasoning.

I hope my first comment here explained that. Its pressure, because of the events of yesterday.

6. Why don’t you believe him? Because Foilist is dead and he’s not? That’s not enough—again, there are plenty of reasons that might be the case.

Hopefully same as above. But yes, in effect, thats a major part to it. How is it not enough for me to question him? Do i need a special reason if i want to question him?

7. You’re defense of Torquez's massive wall of fence-sitting in his first post is hrm? I don’t see a lot of true scumhunting in his post, for all that he talks about everyone and tries to sound town.

Whereas your first post was jumping to hiplop's aid, IGNORING everything else that happened, and already misvoting. Maybe you didnt get to play D1, but you cant ignore all the events that happened in it.

8. I’m not rushing to hiplop’s aid so much as I am questioning your actions. I don’t know if he’s being honest or not, but so far no one has CC’d him, and until I have further evidence from a cop or something, there’s no reason not to at least accept his claim.

Question my actions by saying hiplop isnt lying. Right..
Maybe my mechanics post didnt work, if theres only 1 PR in the game, hiplop had a 2/3 chance of choosing a PR that wasnt already taken. So there isnt anyone to CC him..
Also, you're again assuming theres a cop.
Thirdly, a point i've being pondering, hiplop claimed that he JK'd Thor. Now in D1, Thor was kind of the town leader. He had a very prominent role, and is pretty much confirmed town IMO. I may be wrong. However, hiplop claiming he protected thor (if hiplop IS the JK) proves thor is town, as he couldnt have taken part in a NK, if im correct yes?
However, if hiplop is making it up, a) he's just sucked up Thor, who he's hoping will respond to that by saying no no hiplop MUST be town, as some sort of gratitude etc, and b) it means thor could still be scum.

Also, your set-up speculation is really not that great. This is a newbie game, and it really reads as you trying too hard. Also, I AM scumhunting—You. I’m calling your motivations and intentions into question, and I’m doing so because I think they are scummy.

Firstly, i believe hiplop used the same set-up speculation as a point AGAINST me, are you going to say he's trying too hard?
Hey! Thats what i did with hiplop, yet you seem so up his butt already, that you seem to think im NOT scum hunting.. O.o

Also, a case based on “could be lying” is pretty shaky. I would like to hear from you exactly why you don’t believe hiplop based on something other than the probability that he or didn’t draw his claimed PR. I have some questions about his play in general, but I believe his claim as I’ve been given no solid reason to disbelieve it, and I think your two pages of set-up spec being passed off as a case is far more worthy of attention right now.

I think your case based on "OOH hiplop claimed he MUST be telling the truth" is equally, if not more, shaky.

[Hellhound1]

Scum, would you care to validate your vote against me, other than a) a vibe and b) sheeping someone else. Are you, too, going to ignore hiplop, even after your "i think you're scummy still" remark? Please, less sheeping.

[Hellhound1]

@Hellhound - please stop voting hiplop, he's not the lynch today - the 'value' of your case is just as applicable to prove he's town as it is to prove he's scum. How about you figure out who his buddy is, I might be willing to vote his buddy.

Eh? Im not voting anyone. I was pointing out that hiplop wasnt killed.
Also @hiplops last post, all your posts were short because they lacked content.

[Hellhound1]

Woops, *useful content

[Hellhound1]

@Hellhound - if you're not voting hiplop that suggests you don't want to lynch him.
If you don't want to lynch him why am I reading a page of you argy-barging with him?

Well, because i said i had my suspicion about hiplop, because a) someone who didnt believe him was killed and b) a "claimed pr" wasnt killed.
He then went off on what was basically an OMGUS, then i posted my reasons and he acted like a 3 year old, threw all his toys on the floor and said "i dont like being asked questions go away" (in effect) which only heightens my suspicion of him. Obviously the more i pressured him the stupider his posts got until his lover Shahrizai stepped in to defend him, only to realise that what i was saying

could

be perfectly true, and backed off. I think that sums it up?

Who should we lynch?

Well, i find hiplop my FoS atm, but nobody is active enough to read or care it seems, so its either Shahrizai or someone inactive. Which includes half the players.
I'd at an extreme narrow it down to Shahrizai or Awesoma. I still think Scumhunter is is town, and Torqez actually needs to post something which has more actual content and less fluff, before i judge him. Im leaving hiplop out because he COULD be the JK, and i dont want a ML again. But if Shahrizai was to flip scum my finger would go straight to hiplop, and if he flipped town it would be an awesoma and torqez/scumhunter team.

[Hellhound1]

Right, so you have a way of telling when i signed in against when i posted?
Oh, and i forgot, it might just be possible to view this forum without signing in..
Try again.

You dont call me out, you vote me because i call you suspicious.
Also, if you'd bothered to read more than half of D1, you'd see that ive kept saying im sure scumhunter is town. Which, i do believe, at the time thor disagreed with? He may still do.
Also, i havent buddied thor today at all. I havent voted for anyone, and ive made it quite clear who my suspicions are, in response to a question he asked me.
lrn2read yourself.

[Hellhound1]

If you want me to reply in full...

This post is fine; Right after day one, this is immediately what he says. This is exactly what he was saying for about 20 posts, blindly yelling at me despite me telling him its shit. Anyway, on to the case. Newbie scum is prone to trying set ups, Hellhound here IMMEDIATELY notices foilist was the one voting me, this was like right after hellhound logged in. No way did he think of that immediately; then he paints me in poor light by saying "why didnt the jailkeeper die? PR Shoyuld havez diedz that meanz he scum". Its the epitome of an attemp-a-setup, and he goes full force on it, Strawmanning (think you know what this means, if not just ask) my offense the whole way.

I call you suspicious, you vote me, i point you are not a confirmed PR, you have a fit and throw stupid arguments at me, i continue to point it out, you say you're bored. Thats basically it. Find something in there that disproves that?
Also, allow me to copy and paste here, in relation to your point 2:
"Right, so you have a way of telling when i signed in against when i posted?
Oh, and i forgot, it might just be possible to view this forum without signing in..
Try again."

I call him out; he calls it OMGUS.

I call you suspicious, you vote me. That bit came first remember?

Until now he shows no sign of this kind of offense; by that alone it implies to me that hes been talking overnight.

Wut? Because i dont pressure you D1 doesnt mean i cant D2 if i feel like it.

ISO'ing him; Very first post he votes awsoma (i think this is bad, you might not; i just think awsoma is his buddy at this point), Awsoma cross-votes him in his first post.

Yes, because a) it was RVS, obviously, and b) Awesoma was top of the player list. I didnt realise i needed a fully thought out valid reason for RVS.

at iso20, he still has only posted fluff/buddied up to thor once.

Seeing as D1 Thor was pretty much running the town, i worked off his scum hunting, as did everybody else.

Calls Awesoma town randomly - dont know why?

Because i can
Seriously, it was D1, on my first actual day of mafia here, and awesoma was fairly active and seemed fairly town. Why wouldnt i call her town?

More buddying to thor

See above response relating to same point.

[quote[Every time thor changes his mind - Hellhound changes his too[/quote]
I dont remember the exact reas.. OH YEAH, he was scum hunting and bringing up valid points that kept the game moving. You, on the other hand, had to be prodded or something?

He says here on ISO 30, that hes put up his own case; complete lie, all he said was "good job thor"

Care to quote? I cant see where i said "good job thor". I can see where i said i made my own case. Maybe you misread or misquoted me.

Says scumhunter is likely scum; thor says heas wrong and he immediately changes his mind - next post 180

Wanna quote that one for me too?
You'll find ALL DAY D1 i pretty much had my vote on cloud, even when scumhunter threw himself infront of cloud for no reason.

hmm.. foreshadowing a lynch on scumhunter in 49, still hasnt posted anything with weight to it.

eh?

and then we're on today - No fucking content except buddying thor.

Thor asked me a question and i replied, and i still havent voted like he wanted me to.
Hows that buddying?

[Hellhound1]

AHH I BROKE A QUOTE
gutted.
OK i apologize to hiplop, for the single point you werent prodded you were V/LA. My bad, i just remembered a massive gap without you.

[Hellhound1]

Maybe thor is DA BEST?
Anyway chill out a bit, either way you missed a massive gap.
Also, quote me some stuff please? I cant find any of this stuff you keep saying i said.

[Hellhound1]

Oh and are you saying over night i cant formulate my own theories?
And that even though there was 24 hours between D2 starting and my first post, in that time i couldnt think about what had happened?

[Hellhound1]

Awh, just as i was about to come and help you sheep shahri. Gutted.
Can i vote myself, so that when i flip town i can joyfully laugh knowing the whole town made a giant fuckup by listening to hiplop?

[Hellhound1]

Well seeing as its boiled down to just the three of us, and the occasional pointless post by shahri and Scum, it really doesnt make a difference what i do.
The fact you're on hiplops side with his "i dont like you voting me" OMGUS style play, his "im bored get off me" play, and his impressive abililty to access the server logs to see when i logged in vs when i posted (obviously bollocks) is a joke. Not to mention you can browse the whole fucking forum without being signed in.
The ONLY thing i agree with him on is that you're being lazy. I really wanted to add 1 to your "you're better than this" count, but im sure you're just being lazy town.

As stands, your entire post was pretty useless besides being self-righteous towards hiplop - which only really applies if you think he's town.

I have no idea where you got that from. It doesnt say whether or not i think hiplop is scum, just says that i know hes being an idiot with a whole lot of OMGUS.
I wish they other inactives would get their asses back online/replaced, so theres some fresh perspective on this. 3 people really isnt enough.

[Hellhound1]

You should probably vote someone - even Shahri managed to do that, and she's scum.

Urmmmm... VOTE: shahrizai

Also @

Hiplop

, can you hurry up and complete your weak-ass case against me by either finding those quotes you were talking about, or admitting its rubbish? Its bugging me the way you failed to respond to any of those requests.

[Hellhound1]

btw, yes im half sheeping you Thor, because im 50/50 on hiplop, and nobody has posted anything today other than Scum saying something pointless, and shahrizai going around in a giant circle.
Only half sheeping you, because you're voting me, and im not quite to the stage where im going to hammer myself to prove a point.

[Hellhound1]

Oh come on hiplop, find those quotes already, before assaulting me again. I dont give a flying fuck what you say, either find those quotes or admit your case against me is shit, and no, this is OMGUS, i call you suspicious and you go ape shit about it. I explain why i dont believe you and you make up quotes? Read back, ive asked for at least 3 quotes. Stop posting trash if you cant back up your lies.

[Hellhound1]

So as not to be prodded, bump.

Oh and @hiplop

only thing i think i forgot to reply to, i just looked on your profile that day and it said you hadnt logged on since the night before...

It signs me out after i havent been on for a while, so most of the time im browsing the forum without being logged in, hence a 24 hour period where i could read the forum but wasnt logged in. I hope you arent actually using the fact i wasnt signed in as a scumtell.

[Hellhound1]

Oh look we're back to my original Hiplop = fake claim case
YAY.
because we now have 3 PRs and tbh i never have believed hiplop,
UNVOTE:
I believe hiplop is at L1 right?
Albert, Thor and Scumhunter
So i wont hammer quite yet, ill wait for albert to post his after-date post on why hiplop is scum.

[Hellhound1]

I pretty much know albert is lying, from my perspective i can pretty much confirm it

I'm interested in how you can confirm shah is town..?

[Hellhound1]

@Hellhound - if you had hiplop's role PM you'd have the info he has to confirm it. Since you don't ::bleh:: it's his standard 'case' thus far. Move on, there's nothing there.

But if he JK'd you last night, then he'd have exactly the same info as us, he wouldnt know which one was lying or not?
As for shah being a cop, and investigating foilist, bullshit. How convenient, foilist is dead and everyone knows what his role was now. I could CC with the same info and it would be just as valid.

[Hellhound1]

That i definatly dont believe shah is a PR, and quite possibly could be scum.
Hiplop - well a hammer on hiplop would fulfill some personal revenge from earlier in the day, but that would be too shallow of me.
I think albert & hiplop could be telling the truth and shah is lying, but im still 50/50 on hiplop.

So really VOTE: Shah

[Hellhound1]

I fail to see that case on albert here other than a) he doesnt believe hiplop and b) torqez was rubbish. Can someone explain please?
Hiplop is doing his I KNOW YOU'RE SCUM thing, which isnt helping because he hasnt backed up a single thing he's said other than i KNOW it. Prove it then..

[Hellhound1]

Ill jailkeep hellhound.

Please do, it'll prove im town.
ofc, that'll give scum another night kill. Oh and that is assuming you arent scum yourself

[Hellhound1]

@Hellhound - The case on Albert is PoE - *at least* one of those three is scum. If you think Torq was rubbish I fail to see why you're questioning the Albert case - what am I missing there?

Torqez was rubbish but he wasnt scum.. He was just crappy town. hiplop/shah and to a much lesser extent scumhunter seem much more actual scummy than albert.

[Hellhound1]

If thats correct, what if im set up?
If you JK me, scum can just go "right we'll NK hellhound, knowing he wont die, and everyone will think hes scum"...

[Hellhound1]

If thats correct, what if im set up?
If you JK me, scum can just go "right we'll NK hellhound, knowing he wont die, and everyone will think hes scum"...

why would you say that? i know you're just being paranoid for your safety, but you just gave mafia an idea they would not have thought of. Gah.

I cant see them wasting their kill like that, though.

Doh. Typical me
Just that would be the logical route for scum to take, right?

Also,

ftr, I'm still going with my {Shah+Albert} team

If Shah is scum then Shah can claim inno on anyone, because scum know who is town? I fail to see how that helps tbh.

[Hellhound1]

Also, if Shas's partner is still alive, elaborate scum plan where shah claims guilty on partner? Then shah looks town.

[Hellhound1]

im thinking i should check out scumhunter instead. Has really flown under the radar, and i kind of forgot he was alive. y/n? not opposed to hellhound, though

Like muffin says. Well im a VT end of. Nothing more. Dunno about scum i still have leaning scum on him. But either way is cool with me.

[Hellhound1]

What if she gives a guilty on an innocent person?
What if Shah is the rolecop, and doesnt kill anyone and uses her rolecop ability instead?
Then whoever hiplop JKs looks guilty and Shah can confirm an inno.

[Hellhound1]

Would anyone care to elaborate on why you think its me...?
I go from "pretty much sure he's town" to everyone saying I'm scum overnight, and nobody gives a reason. How about someone justifies it other than all this rubbish? Thanks

[Hellhound1]

What I don't understand is if hellhound is scum, why didn't he jump on the hiplop wagon with me yesterday to try and save Albert. In fact, why did NO ONE jump on the hiplop wagon with me to try and save Albert. Hmmm....could be that hiplop is in fact the scumlord among us -____-

Well hurr durr maybe it's because I'm not scum? Once again hiplop blindly pushes towards lynching me with no reason and no evidence.

[Hellhound1]

Right, well I'm kind of stuck on my phone until tonight, but ill try anyway.

A) no doubt scumhunter is town.
but that doesn't stop hiplop being scum, seeing as scum can pretend to do that job. Theres nothing stopping hiplop saying ill jk someone, then kill someone else, knowing it'll make him look town.

Your better town read on muffin, look at #788
Also look at what you said shortly after that about hiplop/Albert. Alberts gone, and was scum, you call me town, and overnight you switch me round with hiplop.


Also @ your latest post: I was happy with being jk'd last night, but it wouldn't play to hiplops scum plan to confirm me town. So he gets the doc out the way who can disprove him, fakes a pr claim and then today starts the process to lynch me, again.

So yeah i think its a very well played game by hiplop.

[Hellhound1]

Btw they were directed at Thor.

[Hellhound1]

JKing me/JKing someone else ...either way results in 3 way lylo with a clear either way....

Hellhound, who do you suspect?

I think its most likely hiplop or muffin.

[Hellhound1]

Ok. Ive said it before and ill say it again, I'm a VT. I thought this game was about logic, infact it seems to be most of you guys blindly buddying eachother.
For the record, VOTE: Hiplop.
Enjoy losing because of fail play and bullshit.
Also, out of interest, care to say how my D2 posts say anything about me bring scum? Oh right they don't, just brings you potentially one step further to your scum win.
I cant decide if its you or hiplop now :/

[Hellhound1]

Thor, never said anything about a doc O.o
You do realise its possible to have just the 1 PR yeah?

[Hellhound1]

I was addressing Thor actually, in reply to his doc thing.
Yes i, who had a valid argument came off looking scummier than someone who threw a OMGUS tantrum. Nice reading, well done.

[Hellhound1]

Mmm k i have 20 minutes till work so err.. If you take me off L1 i might actually have a chance to do so when i get home.
And i will explain fully, quotes and all, my logic.

[Hellhound1]

also omgus is never genuine, especially when he couldn't answer any of mu questions, if you go back and read it.

[Hellhound1]

Thor, never said anything about a doc O.o

I was happy with being jk'd last night, but it wouldn't play to hiplops scum plan to confirm me town. So he gets the

doc

out the way who can disprove him, fakes a pr claim and then today starts the process to lynch me, again.

So...what did you mean about the Doc?

I do apologize, like i said i was on my phone, and a bit distracted by work, so didnt really have time to read over what i was writing and ballsed up, meant to say cop, as i said who can disprove him.

Ok. Ive said it before and ill say it again, I'm a VT. I thought this game was about logic, infact it seems to be most of you guys blindly buddying eachother.

Second time you've accused us of this.
In fact both times you've been run up you made appeals to emotion about logic all while not actually presenting any particular logic of your own. What am I missing in this strategy?

Ok it wasnt meant to appeal to emotion, only logic. Do i need to present my own logic to say that i dont think you're using any actual logic by buddying..?

Thor, listening to no one but yourself isn't a good quality for a clear.

I want to be jailed tongiht if we lynch wrong. Problem is I'm thinking its hiplop at the moment.

@Thor/zMuffin: Why did Hellhound stay on Shah the entire time yesterday instead of switching to hiplop to try and save Albert? But then why was Albert voting hiplop -____-??
Gah, I need to think this over. maybe its zMuffin ????

That, SH, would be because a) i didnt know albert was scum, and didnt want to hammer hiplop at that time for various reasons, and b) because im not scum myself, so wouldnt be able to save my non existent partner..

Anyway say half an hour? Assuming i dont get sidetracked thats when ill have iso'd hiplop, and be able to lay out my entire case.

[Hellhound1]

Ok i'll start with ISO #59

I'll try not to post too much about the mechanics, i know how much you hate them hiplop, but hey they back me up so meh.

if you end up lynching me; go after foilist. Trying to lynch a power role is fucking insane. I thought i left a breadcrumb, I usually do. I didn't this time, everyone makes mistakes.

They would CC if there was one..

The bit that strikes me as odd, re-reading through this now, is the "go after foilist" bit. We all know what happened N1.
Also, the CC bit, yeah mechanics answer here, there might only be 1PR and now they're dead..

Next is ISO #62

I didnt say i understand you not believing my claim, i said i understand the wagon on me!

I dont like how you and foilist are going after a PR ... pursue them tomorrow if i die Thor?

More "lets kill foilist" stuff.

Ok after this point Hiplop doesnt post anything noteworthy, or even useful, until D2. Yay my favorite part.
ISO #73

Hellhound1 wrote:
Ah :/ well i had him as scum from the beginning, woops! But i'll blame that on cloud's scummy acts and his inability to answer basic questions, not on DK.
Also, why was foilist killed? Wouldnt hiplop have been a better choice for scum to go for, as a known PR? Why was the person voting hiplop killed? Im still not sure about hiplop being the jailkeeper, firstly role pms say there might be a jailkeeper, not that there IS one, and hiplop may have guessed at a PR and said he was it, and now scum is seen as town, just because there isnt anyone to counter claim.


There are 4 roles that can be in the game (plus the vanilla townies). The town gets 2 of them out of the 4.

This post reads to me as newbscum trying to explain why i'm not dead. Hellhound + awsoma imo. Night analysis usually comes from scum.

VOTE: hellhound

Ok i say im not sure about hiplop, (which is what foilist had been saying D1, and then was killed N1 btw) and he has a OMGUS vote on me. No trying to defend himself, he outright attacks me.

ISO #75

Think for a moment, Thor. Then look at her reasoning. Obvious set-up is obvious, the last person voting me - he arrived at that conclusion pretty fucking fast, no way did he remember that without discussing it. We're dealing with a newbscum that thought it would be enough to get a mislynch on me.

Hmm k. Considering there were 24 hours between the time i posted and the time D2 began, i had probably minimum 15 hours to mull over what had happened. I then wrote down a possible explanation against you, and you go apeshit about it.

Iso #76 & 77

Congrats. If you were town you wouldn't be charging at a fairly obvious PR with no logic besides NK analysis that you control, and that i *COULD* be lying. I voted you yesterday, too hellhound. But ultimately the town rather had DK. So no, its not OMGUS.

I love how you say nothing new..

-----------------------------------------------

If i were stupid, i could ask the other PR to come out; that would confirm me. I am still a member of town, and i'm finding scum in you. Your logic is still nothing. Yeah, i could be lying. I could also be telling the truth, its null because of that (aka not worth charging at). Or you know, if you read my posts you would realize i think its a set up due to the big wagon on me yesterday.

And how you sidestep my logic just repeating what you said previously..

Right to start with the end of your second post, you used no new logic in your previous post. I repeated what i said, because it disproved what you said in it.

Now to the beginning of No.1, yes this game is made up of coulds and maybes..
You were not, and still are not, a "fairly obvious PR", and NK analysis is not scummy.. How is analyzing night kills scummy? OH YEAH coz they catch you out.


ISO #79

If its a 50/50 chance, how are you willing to say there are more VT's?

Btw if you think there are 6, then i'm confirmed, you realize that right?

Not at all, we've already had 1 PR come and gone and proven. End of.

ISO #80

I DONT CARE ABOUT THE GAME MECHANICS. seriously fuck off with that. Reply to my arguments.

Thats right, throw a tantrum because i wont believe what you're saying. How big and clever and logical.

ISO #81

Thats an idiotic point. Killing someone who everyone think is town + causing suspicion on a PR is a much better set up for scum than just getting rid of a PR.

Yeah k.. its also more obvious, harder, and longer. And may not result in a town lynch if the PR proves themself. Sorry but thats rubbish.

Now theres much 6 posts of "just leave me alone already i cant cope with pressure" until ISO # 87

i have had enough of this. If you're town, you're not being protown. If you're scum, you're exposing yourself.

If i were you, id get off this topic. You're trying to lynch me for no reason other than i'm a PR. Not town motivated in the slightest.

I dont care aobut the mechanics, i know them. I've been playing for years. Now stop talking about them, they bore me.

Right so by questioning you im exposing myself am i? Oh yeah last person to do that was NK'd.
"If i were you id get off this topic" - says it all to me. You hate that im pressuring you and pointing out you're wrong. Well im doing it again.

ISO #92

Let's presume I didn't read your post; how about you summarize all the parts in it where you explained he was scum while not using "he doubts mah role" in the case. That would be awesome.

i didnt say that at all in my case... or anything similar. Dont be pretentious

Urm may i point you to Iso #76, #77, and #87. I believe you use a variation of it in those, and there was another i cant find again but im sure i saw it somewhere.

Then ISO #94

This post is fine; Right after day one, this is immediately what he says. This is exactly what he was saying for about 20 posts, blindly yelling at me despite me telling him its shit. Anyway, on to the case. Newbie scum is prone to trying set ups, Hellhound here IMMEDIATELY notices foilist was the one voting me, this was like right after hellhound logged in. No way did he think of that immediately; then he paints me in poor light by saying "why didnt the jailkeeper die? PR Shoyuld havez diedz that meanz he scum". Its the epitome of an attemp-a-setup, and he goes full force on it, Strawmanning (think you know what this means, if not just ask) my offense the whole way.

I call him out; he calls it OMGUS.

Until now he shows no sign of this kind of offense; by that alone it implies to me that hes been talking overnight.

ISO'ing him; Very first post he votes awsoma (i think this is bad, you might not; i just think awsoma is his buddy at this point), Awsoma cross-votes him in his first post.

at iso20, he still has only posted fluff/buddied up to thor once.

Calls Awesoma town randomly - dont know why?

More buddying to thor

Every time thor changes his mind - Hellhound changes his too

He says here on ISO 30, that hes put up his own case; complete lie, all he said was "good job thor"

Says scumhunter is likely scum; thor says heas wrong and he immediately changes his mind - next post 180

hmm.. foreshadowing a lynch on scumhunter in 49, still hasnt posted anything with weight to it.

and then we're on today - No fucking content except buddying thor.

Thor tell me again why you think hes town?

This makes me happy. Its the most you've posted so far
Anyway, lets run through those points k?

Anyway, on to the case. Newbie scum is prone to trying set ups, Hellhound here IMMEDIATELY notices foilist was the one voting me, this was like right after hellhound logged in

Im sure we argue about this one later anyway but YOU CAN READ THIS FORUM WITHOUT BEING LOGGED IN.

he paints me in poor light by saying "why didnt the jailkeeper die? PR Shoyuld havez diedz that meanz he scum". Its the epitome of an attemp-a-setup, and he goes full force on it, Strawmanning (think you know what this means, if not just ask) my offense the whole way.

I dont know what it means but k.
Well frankly if i was scum i wouldve killed you N1 because a) you claimed a PR and b) you're bulldozing into mistakeland.

I call him out; he calls it OMGUS

Other way around buddy. I call you out, you vote me, it's OMGUS.

Until now he shows no sign of this kind of offense; by that alone it implies to me that hes been talking overnight.

1) ISO'ing him; Very first post he votes awsoma (i think this is bad, you might not; i just think awsoma is his buddy at this point), Awsoma cross-votes him in his first post.

2) at iso20, he still has only posted fluff/buddied up to thor once.

3) Calls Awesoma town randomly - dont know why?

4) More buddying to thor

5) Every time thor changes his mind - Hellhound changes his too

6) He says here on ISO 30, that hes put up his own case; complete lie, all he said was "good job thor"

7) Says scumhunter is likely scum; thor says heas wrong and he immediately changes his mind - next post 180

8) hmm.. foreshadowing a lynch on scumhunter in 49, still hasnt posted anything with weight to it.

9) and then we're on today - No fucking content except buddying thor.

1) So i keep quiet till D2, notice something fishy and stand up about it, and thats scummy? Right...

2) I like your analysis of RVS. Well done. Its scummy to vote the person top of this list. Ill remember that one.

3) I dont remember to be honest, it was oooh.. beginning of D1.

4) See point 5.

5) Thor raised valid points, like 2 or 3 times. However my vote was on Cloud pretty much ALL of D1.

6) ISO #30 on me, urm look back through the isos k? You'll see i had my own argument with cloud. If Thor was having one at the same time that doesnt matter, i had my own argument and put forward my own points. But well done for analyzing what is the remnants of RVS.

7) I dont remember why or when. Again D1.

8) YAY TH0R RUL3Z

k hopefully thats that answered.

ISO #99

hellhound dont even try that shit; i havent got a prod ever, only once in any of my games.

also fairly obvious that i was scumhunting, i was with thor but bringing other things up; you just went "THORS DA BEST".


its the crossvote i care about.

THORS DA BEST
Also, again why do you care about an RVS vote? Wut?

ISO #100

but it was incredibly random. you jsut said "Awsoma is town" no reasoning nor did anyone ask.

Care to quote, yet? Still cant find it.

ISO #101

no its the fact that you immediately noticed thigns town wouldnt overnight. aka discussion aka scum slip

Like what? A VT who suspected you died, and a possible PR who hadnt yet been CC'd wasnt..? Anyone can see that.

ISO #102

you hadn't logged in yet. I keep tabs.

and no, you wouldnt have realized foilist was the only one voting me and used ti as an offense if you were town.

Ok why not? You were no way proven to be your PR, or even town.
Also, JUST FUCK OFF WITH THE FORUM CODE OK? (<--- See wut i did thur? ) I dont stay logged in.


ISO #117

but that doesnt matter because hellhound is going today.

Confident. Wrong, but confident.

ISO #120

OMGUS is usually town motivated, some exceptions obviously, but overall def not a scumtell.

No... Its usually scum motivated, some exceptions obviously, but overall def a scumtell.

ISO #127

albert is torquez?

Thor get back on hellhound plz

ISO #153

Ill jailkeep hellhound.

I wish you had, it wouldve proved im town. However we'd be in the exact same position im in with scumhunter instead. However, your fake jailkeep allowed you to a) make you look town, b) make SH look town and c) you get away with a NK on the cop. Well done.
SH is confirmed town now anyway. You are not confirmed town, and you killed the cop. Simples.

Then anyway we're onto D3. N2 the cop died and SH was conf. town whether or not you're scum.

And urm thats pretty much it for you. Now ive gone through and answered all that, let me outline what your plan has been in relation to lycnhes/NKs.

D1) Lynched cloud to fit in with town
N1) Killed foilist after coming close to being lycnhed yourself D1. Foilist didnt believe your claim and was most vocal about it - dead.
D2) Albert was caught by the town, after a very close miss for you, AGAIN. Shar outed as cop.
N2) I do believe if shar hadnt outed i wouldve been killed here, as i was very vocal about you earlier on. However why not kill the PR? So you did.
*Speculation from here*
D3) Me lynched, flipping town, still leaving a state of confusion. That leaves a hiplop/muffin combo in my mind, although it might be thor/muffin depending whos perspective you look at it from.
N3) Either muffin or thor will die. No doubt about that, leaving SH whos clear, hiplop who thinks he's clear and thor/muffin, who would obv be the FoS here.
D4) Thor/muffin is lynched, because OBVIOUSLY hiplop is a PR and scum is town. Well, scum IS town. but yeah.
Endgame, scum win.

I hope that cleared everything up for everyone. Ive gone through all your ISO's pointing at me, and tried to answer them all as rationaly as possible, although in some places it pissed me off with your lack of logic.
If you want more info on one of my points, point out which one and ill try to go more in-depth on it.

Yes Thor, get back on how im town and hiplops case against me is once again bollocks.



Now @Thor:

Ok it wasnt meant to appeal to emotion, only logic. Do i need to present my own logic to say that i dont think you're using any actual logic by buddying..?

Well...yes.
If you're upset that not enough logic is being used in thread, and you express this in a way that uses no logic at all, I'm not really sure what you're doing to advance your claim that we should all be logic mongers.

To you cop situation - what do you think about hiplop claiming prior to the cop? The way you wrote it up suggests otherwise, but he actually claimed first and also claimed a role that forces scum to generate innocent results. It's...not an optimal scum claim. Now, I'll agree he looks suspect, but I see no reason why you and Muffin shouldn't be considered - and that's a logical deduction, yeah? Now, I need to consider which of the two of you look more scum, so I look at how the now dead scum was working hard to get Awesomuffin lynched - again, a logical deduction of why he is less likely scum scum. I have no reason to consider you less likely scum - hence why I'm voting you. All logical. All regardless of buddying.

How am I not using logic?
Why are you not a suspect to be lynched?
I look forward to your use of logic in the hiplop case.

Sheeping you? You seem to enjoy people doing that. anywho,
The way i wrote it is MEANT to be in chronological order. Yes hiplop claimed first, doesnt mean its true does it? Yes he claimed JK, yet if i point you to the boring old mechanics, he couldve been lying.
He claimed a PR, then when another PR comes along, he killed the PR who couldve proved him wrong.
Consider me, by all means. You already have. Im just giving my reasons, im not objecting to being considered. I ASKED to be jk'd if you dont remember.
With albert trying to get awesomuffin lynched, i just got bad luck is all. Hiplop has wanted me dead from his first post. No joke.
So all my scumhunting and town moves are throw out the window because i got unlucky who with who scum tried to lynch? Wow..

Thats logic. Thank you for clearing that up. You actually explained your vote.
If my hiplop case is not logical enough, ill be happy to expand anywhere you feel it necessary. Although frankly after going through his ISO, and his short one line posts, ive done the best with what i can.

[Hellhound1]

Hmm that took more like an hour 10 minutes :/ Ah well, well spent if it clears my name.

[Hellhound1]

@Hellhound - The case on Albert is PoE - *at least* one of those three is scum. If you think Torq was rubbish I fail to see why you're questioning the Albert case - what am I missing there?

Torqez was rubbish but he wasnt scum.. He was just crappy town. hiplop/shah and to a much lesser extent scumhunter seem much more actual scummy than albert.

For consideration on the Hellhound case.

Ooh meant to reply to this in my big one - i was wrong about albert.
Imo, he himself didnt seem scummy, and if you read back i had minimal to no interaction with torqez, so i had a null read. I was surprised, ill admit that.

[Hellhound1]

Correction:

Yes Thor, get back on how im town and hiplops case against me is once again bollocks.

Is meant to be in response to ISO #127, not randomly at the end.

[Hellhound1]

also omgus is never genuine, especially when he couldn't answer any of mu questions, if you go back and read it.

OMGUS is a town tell, if its genuine.



You know its possible to have 2 PR's, right? you're very negative IF you're town, but you're not so ya

K. Getting irrationally pissy because someone calls you scummy is SO a town tell....
Yaha, i think you'll find i am town, and you are scum.

gonna be honest; i didnt read that big hellhound post

K. If it really did sell it to thor, and thor will vote you, and scum will go with his gut and vote you, then we win. So it was worth it.

i tried, bored me cuz ive already replied to all of what i saw

You didnt, you did fuck all tbh.

[Hellhound1]

I was gonna say O.o
Maybe MrMuffin will read my post and understand my thinking.
I am interested in everyone's response.

[Hellhound1]

I posted id wait for Albert to post why hiplop was scum before i hammered, but he never got the chance and was fairly quickly hammered himself so..
Plus id already had my thing with hiplop, i didn't have much to say on the Albert/torqez case, like i said i had nothing to do with him.

[Hellhound1]

Except for the fact you ballsed up the first one (im voting twice, and i never actually voted hiplop D1 iirc ), shows how much scummier hiplop's votes have been than mine. I may steal that idea for any future games.

[Hellhound1]

Ahh k i misread it, i do apologize.

[Hellhound1]

My recollection of Hellhound though was that he was not an active poster, so some of his lethargy and hanging out on single wagons is maybe more neutral than I'm thinking.

My explanation for that is that i was dead set on a cloud vote, and while not posting every 20 minutes, i actively read the thread every day. When things veered off to scumhunter etc, i really had nothing to say because at that point a) i had a null read on SH and b) i was really sure with cloud.

[Hellhound1]

Im not trying to sell it to you Thor. Read my big post again, see the points i set out against hiplop, if you dont agree then thats your choice, lynch me and you lynch town.
Im simply saying what was going through my head at that time. Couple it with an actual outside life that some days doesnt allow me to sit infront of the PC commenting on people i have no idea about, yeah, i may be quiet for a bit.

[Hellhound1]

I like how certain you were i was scum, Hiplop, and now that you cant get a lynch on me you're flip flopping around trying to push the Thor lynch again. Which, by the way, is the lynch Scumhunter was pushing before, but he's now voting you. Hoping he might take you up on the Thor lynch again hmm?

[Hellhound1]

Aha as soon as you get pressured about it you start changing your mind.

It goes from I think im wrong about Hellhound lets look at Thor, to Hellhound is our best lynch.

Cmon scum, hurry up and hammer the final nail into your coffin lid..

[Hellhound1]

my plan is literally foolproof.

Yeah, for you, as scum, to win.

[Hellhound1]

Hurr Durr you're scum. You kill me or muffin, so mislynch.
That leaves you, SH, Thor and me/muffin
NK probably.. on thor or muffin because they pose the biggest threat to you i think
leaving you, SH and someone D4.
anyway whoevers left d4 you can say you jk'd SH again N3 (he was asking earlier) or didnt at all. Either way the game ends here.
All you have to do is get the lynch on whoevers left.. easy when you & scum both conf. town

;D there, win as scum.

[Hellhound1]

Also i hope Hito is ok, any idea who the backup mod is? I dont think the timer has even started yet..

Also @ scumhunter, that'll be 3 days of me arguing with hiplop oh how i cant wait.

[Hellhound1]

lolwut?
There is one scum left.

We kill one of you/muffin. Theres a chance one of you are scum, we could win today. If not; i JK thor, if a kill happens, you lynch me immediately, then we go into lylo with at least one confirmed townie.

Yes well done..
We might not win today, because you're scum. Say you lynch muffin today yeah? You dont actually have JK abilities soooo.. you pretend to JK thor, actually kill scum, looks like im scum, i get lynched SCUM WIN 4 U!!!

Actually i stole scum's idea there, i never thought of it and yeah i can actually see it going that way.

[Hellhound1]

Actually i stole scum's idea there, i never thought of it and yeah i can actually see it going that way.

That would be scumhunter's idea* hes not scum, i know that confused you earlier

[Hellhound1]

Yeah.. no you'll just kill SH anyway, and you'll have 1 and thats all YOU need to win.
Besides we cant lynch you now because a) you're at L1 and b) theres no mod apparently D:


Also at your rant, woo you're shouting at me through the internet.
Yes you need to live till tomorrow coz you've won as scum then, well fucking done.

[Hellhound1]

Sorry why will SH only die if you're confirmed town?
whats stopping you killing him tonight?

[Hellhound1]

Err sorry theres a gap in your logic there for me.
If we put you through to tomorrow and you're scum you've pretty much won anyway.
Im happy with killing you today, if you're scum we win, and if you're town we see what the NK brings and go from there. That still leaves a fairly good chance of town winning anyway. But we probably wont need to worry about that.
Anyway its 2AM, so im off.

[Hellhound1]

Town wins!

This.

Really hoping for the win right here.

And this.

GO TEAM TOWN!

[Hellhound1]

Ah so i was wrong about hiplop.. Ah well, shouldn't have been so scummy.
That leaves me, scumhunter (confirmed town) and muffin.
So its the awesomuffin slot. Meh, when hiplop flipped town i thought it was Thor. Well played muffin.
VOTE: Muffin.

Well we can win this pretty quickly scumhunter, although i thought i would've died last night, especially with muffin buddying Thor at the end of yesterday.

[Hellhound1]

Although muffin, why DID you keep me in?
Is it because although you buddied Thor you knew he'd see right through you, so you went with leaving the newb in instead?

[Hellhound1]

Hellhound, out of curiosity why would you expect to die instead of me, being that I'm clear and all...

I dunno, i expected to die every night but i dunno why they didnt kill you, then again i dunno why hiplop was being so bloody scummy -.-

[Hellhound1]

Dammit, I miss Thor's beard.

I think we all do :/

Dont forget muffin replaced into awesoma, who'd done a fine job of doing nothing and looking scummy. I think muffin has done a fine job of getting so far without being caught.

[Hellhound1]

Right, nice try muffin but i believe Thor wouldve actually played the game rather than lynched because he could. You've put me in a corner in some places, well played.

You buddying thor last night, then killing him, adds up to your "hellhound knew he'd lose in lylo" thing, and makes it look like my only choice.
If i WAS scum, id have killed scumhunter and then pushed awesoma's play.
Awesoma claimed, when one person said they might be scummy, and there was no pressure, the awesoma was a VT. Looks like someone got worried and very anxious about where the play was heading so claimed.
That to me says scum.

Now ill concentrate solely on your play.

#643

I am unquestionably town. Just look at my predecessor's name for more proof of this.
Hellhound1 is town
Thor is town
hiplop is town.

You've been right so far, no doubt if im lynched you'll continue to be right.
Looks to me like scum there using a little information to try and look town. Slip up?

#646

We start the day with arguments about Hellhound being scum, but he is so obviously town.

Why thank you

#738

^This.

Not lynching hiplop, he's town.

However you went on to hammer him.

#775

OK, just read over the last few pages again.

Albert + Shah makes so much sense right now.

Im going to say that you bus'd your partner and, knowing shah wasnt fakeclaiming, you would use the lynch on albert flipping scum to kill the cop. Oh wait, you did.

now we jump up to #829, and this makes me laugh.

I need to go back over hellhound, but I'm pretty sure it's him.

ok..

meh, I think it's Hellhound. Had a quick read over his D2 posts and he makes the most sense.

OK... right, before you were behind me on my hiplop points, and then you use them against me? C'mon, use some logic here. Look at #646 for more.

#850

unvote

At this point, your thing against me failed, and you switched your attention to hiplop, a sort of conf. but not really conf. PR.


#844

It was your reactions to Hiplop's claims and your arguments with him. He came off looking town, you came off looking scum. I was around post #500, so like.... p21.

It's not me.

I don't think it's Hiplop. He really, really reads as town.

goes to...

#912

I am pretty sure it's one of hiplop/hellhound at this point.

Thor isn't in any way confirmed town because of his D2 play, but what's really selling me on Thor-town right now is

1) The conviction behind his belief that he's actually nigh-conftown.
2) The fact that he ruled out Awesoma as scum D1 for reasons that you really can't turn around and say "well, maybe I was wrong". Awesoma's claim literally made no sense from the perspective that Awesoma (I) is (am) scum. And Thor rightly pointed that out. Unnecessarily, too. That goes far beyond the realm of buddying.

Other than that, his play D1 looked really town.

Now, out of hiplop/hellhound, I think it's hiplop.

to..

#952

Anyway, I'll probably be hammering hiplop in 24 hours

Woo. Have i proven my point yet?

Now to answer todays points.

#980

All the signs point to Hellhound being scum. #973 and #974 are posts by over-anxious newb-scum.

No they're post by a bored town before i had a meeting with a big high up boss at work, and i was naturally a little nervous.
Examples of real life getting in the way of mafia :c

Think carefully about the NK and the lynch on Albert (specifically hellhound's absence from and opposition to the Albert wagon).

Firstly, i explained on the hiplop case about that, and its because i had little to no interaction with torqez/albert, and had a null read, so when everyone went mad on albert i was like "wut" and continued on with my own little campaign.
You jumping on and killing your partner is a much more likely theory, because that way you gain town credibility.
Had you not noticed, earlier than that there was a hiplop bandwagon, that IF albert was my scummy partner, id have jumped on because i wanted hiplop out the way?
Err no, i was off that one too, because i wasnt sure about hiplop at that point. You being scum gained out of either lynch. You looked town OR you killed a PR, what was to lose for you?

Why would he kill the clear if killing the clear would pretty much spell a loss for him?

It wouldnt.. I know Thor and his almighty beard wouldve seen the sense, and killed you and town wouldve won..
However, i think i said this already, you buddied him then killed him, framing me. Well no, im not letting you get away with it.

Also, if a newer player would err on the side of killing the clear, why would he come out this day phase and question why he's still alive? Because, you know... A newer player would be wondering why the cleared person isn't dead, right?

Im new, doesnt mean im stupid. Please, separate the two. I played an awful lot of epicmafia, i know how it works.
I can see why you kept the clear player in, and its because that way, it makes me look guilty. This last day has really worked in your scummy advantage.

Look, it's possible that I'm trying to frame hellhound, with a suboptimal night kill, all because I want to WIFOM the crap out of you, ignoring my win con. Or.... it's possible, even if only slightly possible, that you're wrong and the much, much, much more obvious answer - that Hellhound is scum - is the correct one.

Please, back this up with some solid, not contradictory evidence that isnt "i buddied thor so i MUST be town" and try again.

Because my scum reads were dead and one of them flipped town.

And yeah, you'd done well with killing of your buddy to look town, the cop as a PR, and hammering another PR.

I also didn't believe Shah's claim, but it turns out I was wrong there.

I didnt believe hiplop's claim, yet somehow im scummier..?

Later.

Good look finding some, or is this you trying to avoid it because you know you cant?

AAAnd im done. Its lunch time and this is dragging now. You are so obviously scum its unreal.
And because it isnt me or scumhunter, so it must be you. Well done!

[Hellhound1]

I had a laugh at how scummy you are too!

[Hellhound1]

I finish 10pm GMT so I'll post it all out and iso myself to an extent to prove I'm town. Also what makes me moat sure is the PM off of hito telling me I'm town xD but ill do it properly.

[Hellhound1]

lol well when you mislynch coz you think you're mr super detective, ill sit here quietly laughing. Thats what muffin wanted you to think and you thought it. Well done on continuing your fail, and ill quote hiplop here, I wasn't lying.

[Hellhound1]

SCUMHUNTER YOU FUCKING TARD YOU FUCKING LOST IT FOR TOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!1!!!111!!!!!1111111!

Nah i joke, well played.
Although the hammer was a bit reckless in my opinion.
Special congrats to hiplop you were a thorn in my side and trying to remove you without looking scummy was hard. Massive respect to you for that you saw through my game from the start.

Ah well not bad for my first game, and i think i went with the better NK, coz hiplop jailkept Thor already so i couldn't keep him in, spesh with Thor & muffins buddying.

[Hellhound1]

Hiplop had already JK'd thor and thered still been a nightkill, PLUS thor's beard would've won it anyway, i was stuck in a corner. Much better than having hiplop alive though.
In the end i went for muffin because i didnt see you & him being as friendly as you & thor, and thought if i used some more mechanics and fairly baseless logic i could just about get it. But you hammered before i got a chance

[Hellhound1]

Oh and i only had a scum partner N1. That annoyed me, i wasnt really able to plan anything.

[Hellhound1]

I assume im allowed to post the scum QT, if not.. well i dont care.

It was mostly me, and towards the end me & my notes.

you may view it here.

I look forward to playing with all you guys again (and hopefully winning)

[Hellhound1]

scratch that, after N1 its just moi. No pregame plan with scum because they flaked out too. And i never got a chance to talk to albert, which im gutted about, i was looking forward to it.