camn's temperamental - Mini 1232 - GAME OVER

[Parama]

/confirm

[Parama]

^you have an awesome username :3

[Parama]

I'm not voting. That's all camn said not to do.

[Parama]

vote: RedPanda

SOMEONE VOTE ME IN THEIR NEXT POST

[Parama]

1. I have been here for about 2 years now and have played over 9000 games.
2. Out the guilty, because I already lynched one scum the day before and had the third scum pinned as well.

[Parama]

^you have an awesome username :3

clearly parama is playing RBS, Random Buddying stage

VOTE: parama

and in retrospect i realise you asked for a vote anyways, so here you are

actually red pandas are just awesome
but anywho I like how you give a reason for your vote then give another reason immediately after, like your first reason wasn't sufficient (hint: neither are, at least for a serious vote). it's like you're trying to find a reason for voting me seriously, but failing. also that's scummy if you don't get it.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Twistedspoon
His vote for Parama gives an actual reason (buddying), which he then immediately undermines by saying he's voting because Parama asked for a vote. Smacks of not wanting to actually be involved in conflict. His comment to Haylen seems to do nothing but draw out the RVS further by trying to downplay the importance of what little content there is at this stage of the game.

Oh hey look I got beat to the point.
Hmm... let's see if there are any votes on Fishy past this point...

VOTE: Fishy

Something about this guy seems fishy(hur hur), mostly his degree of seriousness during RVS, which to me is always a bad sign.

AHA! "serious during RVS" =/= scumtell, it means someone is trying to catch scum, which is, hmm, THE POINT OF MAFIA? herpderp scum #2 caught.

@Spoon: what I mean is that the first of your reasons seems semi-serious, and the second thrown in to make it clear your vote is totally random. And serious votes early in the game develop conflict.

i am of the opinion that no vote is truly random in RVS. Most of my random votes seem semi-serious but they're still random votes in RVS
if I'm to vote anyone it will be for something with a micron of suspicion, but still a random vote if that makes sense

the second part was just an observation which i found interesting and decided to include

Uhhh... nope, you gave "reasons" for your vote which don't look like "random" random voting reasons.
And you gave two; the second isn't just "a thing you noticed".

Zang is town for 31. Sathorsis might be town for 30.

Neither of these have any merit if you don't back them up.
Also why exactly are you voting twisted? Just for the sake of wagonning? :/

@Fishy that is a very weak reason to believe scum have day talk also (and I do realize the irony as I am committing the same crime right now) I don't like that you skipped RVS and immediatly jumped into a serious vote and then started either guessing about something only scum would know for sure and sticking by it so passionately this early on.

For that

Vote Fishy

but... what? it's the usual for scum to be able to talk during pre-game, and the modpost fishy quoted backs it up anyways.
SERIOUS IN RVS IS TAKING INITIATIVE, NOT A SCUMTELL. it's actually pretty pro-town.

Zang is town for 31. Sathorsis might be town for 30.

Isn't it early to be declaring someone as town/scum?

wow. you're thick.

Oh and no reason for Fishy to be lynched this early, not in my opinion anyway.

UNVOTE:

1. it wasn't L-1, why unvote?
2, if you think he's scum, why unvote?

This just looks like scum hopping off a mislynch wagon.

I don't. But having five votes on someone on page three doesn't seem like a good idea to me. Not enough info yet.

VOTE: Johhog

Would you mind joining us Mr. Hog?

holy crap. "not enough info" even though you've made a serious vote. RVSing AFTER a serious vote? Guys guys guys this guy is super mcscumpants how is he still alive.

vote: BBmolla

fishytown twistedscum the rest of you losers I'm unsure about

[Parama]

No, because my mother isn't as important as a mafia game.
I am pursuing a lead, simple as that. Who knows, I *may* change my mind later on, but if you're scum like I think you are, that seems unlikely to happen.

[Parama]

note to self: kanye is insane

[Parama]

hi parama are you scum

-implosion

yes now help me drive this mislynch

[Parama]

hi parama are you scum

-implosion

yes now help me drive this mislynch

Vote: BBmolla

-Misder

Fishy can sit on Chair over in the town corner.

No, because my mother isn't as important as a mafia game.
I am pursuing a lead, simple as that. Who knows, I

*may* change my mind later on

, but if you're scum like I think you are, that seems unlikely to happen.

Why would you do this? I mean, you're so sold on me being scum, why could you possibly change your mind on me?

I say I *may* change my mind, which doesn't mean I will, and I usually don't. There is *always* the possibility that I might, though.
@Fishy: tbh, Lurconis looks more "stupid" than "scummy" for the things you've mentioned.

but anywho I like how you give a reason for your vote then give another reason immediately after, like your first reason wasn't sufficient (hint: neither are, at least for a serious vote). it's like you're trying to find a reason for voting me seriously, but failing. also that's scummy if you don't get it.

It wan't a reason though.

I agree. It was TRYING to be a reason. But it failed.

1. it wasn't L-1, why unvote?

It's past RVS, does he have to be at L-1 for someone to unvote.

BB admitted his vote on Fishy was for pressure. Then he proceeds to unvote, which relieves pressure. L-2 is not the same as L-1 anyways, and L-3 is much less pressure than L-2 - honestly, there's no "measure" for pressure but I'd say with each vote it's exponential.

This just looks like scum hopping off a mislynch wagon.

Why would scum want to hop off of a mislynch?

C'mon Zang, I know you're not new here. Vote Count Analysis. The stigma that comes with being on a mislynch wagon. Sneaky scum like to push wagons that they aren't joining, though usually that helps town catch them more than anything.

Scummy =/= scum

But scummy = good lynch. You don't lynch players that look like town, you lynch players that look like scum. Stop fallacying it up in here >_>

Scummy =/= scum

This.

BB: "Being scummy doesn't mean I'm scum, so stop voting me just because I'm being ridiculously scummy. Please? :<"

[Parama]

if this game devolves into war of the walls I'm going to stop reading walls so

[Parama]

It starts in #58, with some terrible logic from Parama, mostly about me findng the seriousness during RVS scummy. I think it's something to look into, I don't think it's something to lynch over.

So you thought it was scummy, but also not lynchworthy?
Something you find scummy means something you think makes a player more lynchworthy than others.

Parama is overreacting about me and painting me as scum.

Overreacting? No, I am calling you out.

Never played with Parama except in skype, so I don't know if this is just how she works or what, but she is quite literally making me seem more scummy then I am being.

I'm actually probably missing some things that you're doing that are scummy. Can't catch everything!
Also, I am a HE.
THE GENDER THING IS RIGHT UNDER MY FREAKING AVATAR SERIOUSLY.

Also, quick question, if I'm scum, why would I hop off a ML wagon? That makes no sense. At all.

I answered this in a recent post.

Your evidence is absolutely poor, and half of it is just "Oh my god he did this common action? He's practically claiming scum!"

"Common action" yeah right I don't do textbook scumtells. I find things that are scummy, press on them, and get the scum to make themselves obvious.

I guess #72 is supposed to be a joke, but I don't really find it funny considering it's what you're actually doing.

Insisting something is true won't make it true if it isn't true to begin with.

I'm apparently scum in #94 because I unvoted someone who I wanted to look into but was not fully convinced is scum. I will say once again, why would I discourage a ML if I was mafia?

1. Yes, you relieved pressure even though you stated your vote was a pressure vote.
2. Again, already answered.

Then he misreps me.

I prefer the phrase "finding the hidden interpretation in a seemingly harmless post".

Your case on me is garbage Parama, if you really want to ML me make up some more stuff about me being scum, I'm sure if you call me scum enough people will start to believe it.

Again, you're saying what I'm doing is this:
"BB is scum! OMG he's mafia! Lynch BB!"
What you are also doing at the same time:
"I'm town! OMG I'm a mislynch! Don't lynch me!"
So there's: 1. hypocrisy, 2. misrep, 3. lying

VOTE: Parama
This is not a pressure vote. This is truly someone I think is scum.

[/quote]
"JUST TO MAKE SURE YOU GET THE POINT, this is NOT an RVS vote. This is NOT a pressure vote. This is a SERIOUS vote. Don't you DARE try to point out how FAKE it is!"

seriously though, dat OMGUS.

[Parama]

agh messed up tag please fix mod? :>

[Parama]

I did not misrep you. I looked at your post and divulged its hidden meaning.
Scum have a tendency of not being pro-town in their actions, regardless of how they look. Yes I am biased, but that's because I think you're scum. I'm looking for the scum motivation in your posts, not the town motivation.
Though if I'm so convinced in my mind that you're scum, it implies that I am legitimately scumhunting, which in turn implies I'm town. But you say I'm scum. So that term couldn't possibly apply to me, right? If I'm scum, I would be absolutely sure you were town, right? Why would I have to convince myself that you're scum, if I knew objectively that it wasn't true? Your train of logic only makes sense if you think I'm town, which you don't.

[Parama]

no
yes, I pinned you as scum. deal with it.
you're completely missing the point.

[Parama]

Consider me V/LA until 9/6. Thanks.

done

[Parama]

Though if I'm so convinced in my mind that you're scum, it implies that I am legitimately scumhunting, which in turn implies I'm town. But you say I'm scum. So that term couldn't possibly apply to me, right? If I'm scum, I would be absolutely sure you were town, right? Why would I have to convince myself that you're scum, if I knew objectively that it wasn't true? Your train of logic only makes sense if you think I'm town, which you don't.

WIFOM, dismissable.

go get sexually assaulted in a dark alley
this is never the right response
sathoris is actually a good candidate for rounding out my 3-man scumteam
though where has twisted disappeared to recently

[Parama]

Does anyone want to hammer?

[Parama]

^this

[Parama]

I am a Town Name Cop. Each night I figure out the name of someone's character.

My character name is Supervisor.

Oh hey, a most-likely-useless role than can be proven to be a real ability but does nothing to impact alignment.

We believe the claim. It seems to thorough for scum to make up and the role is reasonable.

I believe the claim too. BBmolla is still my favorite lynch. In fact, I will not be changing my vote for the rest of the day. What does his claim have to do with his alignment at all?

Lurconis is now the top of our scumlist.

why

Well, BB clearly

is

a name cop - it's a totally confirmable role. But there's no reason to think he's a

town

name cop - it's a role that could certainly be useful for either team. I'm happy to lynch him.

you get extra credit

If the role is useful for either team, why wouldn't we keep him alive? What can scum do with a name cop anyways? Since BB is outed, we can use him EVEN IF he is scum cause if he doesn't help us, then we know he's scum.

-Misder

But what can he do for town? I have a decent idea of what the flavor entails and I'd think that flavor names aren't going to be indicative of alignment in this game. Which also means scum have no reason to fakeclaim.

UNVOTE: BBMolla
VOTE: Zang
Bandwagon GO!

Guys if you want to start a wagon it's generally a good idea to explain why the person you're voting is the best person to be voting I mean come on now really this is two in a row.

Oh, even if BBMolla is scum he will be forced to help us. Isn't that a good reason enough to keep him alive?

see my response to chair.
also, if BB flips scum (which he will) then one of Johhog/Chair is scum.
Panda is playing like a newbie and I need to probably pay a bit more attention to his posts but atm I don't care that much :/

Name cop seems useless as a mafiarole. He could of course be faking the true nature of his ability, he could be a name + role cop. But seeing as a name cop can verify townies and not help the mafia in any way I trust his claim. If it's a fake one, then well done and I'll congratulate you after the game.

go away

Yes, a name cop is benefecial to the town as it can confirm other townies and perhaps find the unsavouray names of scum. I already it's less likely to be a scum role (unless he lies about the full power of his role) because a name of someone doesn't tell you as much as it would on the town side. It's a town favoured role.

No. Wrong.

Namecopping does not say anything about the target's alignment. Even if it did, if he has an exceptional win condition he is not obligated to be truthful. Name cop is completely irrelevant and unrelated to alignment.

Scumslip much?

okay yeah johhog is bb's partner.
Pere: why so little content? what makes Chair more likely scum than BB/Johhog?

a lot of this thread is pointless nonsense that nobody cares about. at least IMO.
I almost want to stop scumhunting-hunting and start finding association tells because BB is scum and we can map out the rest of the scum from there. But that has had disastrous results for me in the past so ehh.

[Parama]

I don't freaking know. I'm not trying to outguess the mod here but I don't think flavor names have an impact on alignment.

[Parama]

Yes, I did. And then I repeated what I said. In the following posts. I don't think think flavor names are indicative of alignment.

[Parama]

prodvoid

I don't have any motivation to scumhunt when town's letting BB ride solely on his claim. Hmm.

[Parama]

you're asking me
to self meta

you realize that's not happening

[Parama]

Tunneling on scum is the most friggin' protown thing I can do atm.

[Parama]

Neither of these have any merit if you don't back them up.
Also why exactly are you voting twisted? Just for the sake of wagonning? :/

yes now help me drive this mislynch

First quote: weak criticism of us for voting without a reason for the sake of wagoning. And yet, after we wagoned Parama with an

explicit

lack of a reason, he started calling us town! It's at best cognitive dissonance; when we wagon once, he needs to ask us about it; yet when we wagon even more blatantly a second time, he doesn't even ask about it and jumps to a conclusion that we're town! At worst, it's a contradiction.

I always consider a vote on scum to be a town-move, especially one that doesn't try to over-justify it like yours did. I am sad to learn that you didn't believe in your vote when you made it.

Of course, this is just a relatively minor point; the main reason that we suspect Parama is his push on BBMolla.

Trust me, you aren't getting the full story no matter what you may think.

I say I *may* change my mind, which doesn't mean I will, and I usually don't. There is *always* the possibility that I might, though.

Post 112 is a wall of attacks on BB.

And is there a problem with that? Is it scummy to attack another player?

Scum have a tendency of not being pro-town in their actions, regardless of how they look. Yes I am biased, but that's because I think you're scum. I'm looking for the scum motivation in your posts, not the town motivation.

Now, there are a few key things to note about the most important thing about Parama's BB push: the

way

that he's pushing.

He's tunneling to the point where, essentially, he's giving himself an excuse to push on BB no matter what happens - more than that, he

says

that he still has a chance of changing his mind when realistically, there's no way he's going to. This is why I asked him the question about selfmeta - if he winds up tunneling in this way, a way that basically gives him a "free pass" through day one, frequently as town, then I'd have no issue with it. But if he doesn't do it frequently, then it's scummy because of how it lets him continue this push no matter what happens.

bluh bluh parama is tunneling ma

In fact - BEYOND ALL OF THIS, look at post 307:

I don't have any motivation to scumhunt when town's letting BB ride solely on his claim. Hmm.

First of all, he's

actively giving himself a free pass through the day!

Second of all, perhaps even more importantly, he's ignoring and misrepresenting those that are calling BB town - some might be saying his claim makes him town, but that isn't the only reason we see him as town, and he isn't replying to our other reasons.

The whole thing turned around at his claim. The claim was what dissolved the wagon. That's the real shame here.

If he is town and doesn't have motivation to scumhunt, he SHOULD have motivation to convince

others

that BB is scum when people are calling him town! If he's scum, he has no need to do this. If he's town, he should be trying to convince everyone of his BB scumread, which he's apparently so convinced of himself.

I have no motivation to scumhunt TODAY because I have already caught scum.

The way in which he pushes on BB has enormous scum motivation - again, a free pass. And it has absolutely no town motivation. Sure, he's said x and y about why BB is scum - but if he's town, he should be concerned about the dissolving of the BB wagon. He shows no such dismay, not even a bit of caring.

Frankly, nothing in the case itself really jumps out at me as being especially scummy. I also don't find the case convincing. But the way in which he applies it is a scum method.

1. the town motivation is that I am 100% sure that BBMolla is scum. there are no if's and but's about it.
2. why did you vote BB in the first place if you don't find the case convincing? Just wondering. The case hasn't really changed since then so.

[Parama]

I say I *may* change my mind, which doesn't mean I will, and I usually don't. There is *always* the possibility that I might, though.

I am 100% sure that BBMolla is scum. there are no if's and but's about it.

When all of the people that are in hiding come out and post could they all vote Parama? We can do this.

I will give you a hint: this has changed SINCE his claim.

Okay.

Unvote, Vote: Chair

Parama, get on this.

no

Hey Parama, are you town?

no, now help me lynch BB.

[Parama]

Parama- You have ignored my question.

What question? You really expect me to go digging for it?

I always consider a vote on scum to be a town-move, especially one that doesn't try to over-justify it like yours did. I am sad to learn that you didn't believe in your vote when you made it.

What about scum bussing?

They'll get theirs later. As long as someone's voting scum, I have no reason to want to lynch them.
Plus, tell me Chair's vote looks like a bus. C'mon. I dare you.

bluh bluh parama is tunneling ma

You are completely disregarding his point.

No... his point was that I was tunneling.

The whole thing turned around at his claim. The claim was what dissolved the wagon. That's the real shame here

The claim does not matter. What he is telling you is that people don't think BB is scum based solely on his claim but also on what he is posting.

That may be what he thinks, but you cannot deny that the wagon dissolved after the claim, and because of it.

I have no motivation to scumhunt TODAY because I have already caught scum.

If you believe that then you are useless to the town. Nobody who is pro-town is done scumhunting at any time unless all of the scum are caught and lynched.

I will lynch BB, and when he flips scum, I will use association tells to find his buddies. I've already got some of them association tells if you haven't noticed.

1. the town motivation is that I am 100% sure that BBMolla is scum. there are no if's and but's about it.

This is completely impossible. There is no way that you can possibly be 100% sure that BB is scum if you are town and it is incredibly scummy for you to think so.

Get this: It is possible.

I will give you a hint: this has changed SINCE his claim.

How should his claim change anything?

I'm not going to answer this right now.

Also, are you going to ignore everything else that chair said?

What am I ignoring?

im not following all those links.

[Parama]

mod fix those tags please

wtf

[Parama]

Yes.

[Parama]

I still think you're town, mostly because I think BB is scum.
I am 100% certain.
laziness. I HAVE tried mind you, you just missed it.
BB has flipped scum to me.

[Parama]

I am a Town Name Cop. Each night I figure out the name of someone's character.

My character name is Supervisor.

Just to clarify something, though I don't think it matters:
BB, can you repeat your role name exactly as it appears in your role PM?

@Parama: But I'm not scum.

bluh bluh

Stop scumhunting based off something that is not true and has no reason to be indicated as so.

The basis of my case was never "BB is scum, so here's why he's scum."
That would be retarded. I don't think I am retarded.

All you are saying in post #259 is that everyone who wants to lynch me or thinks I'm scum is town, and everyone who doesn't want to lynch me or thinks I'm town is scum.

no.
1&2. "I believe the claim, but BB is still scum."
3. "Chair, clarify this thing."
4. "Fishy made a good point."
5. "Chair, what real benefits are there to BB's role living another day?"
6. "Johhog, why should we wagon Zang?"
7. "Johhog, look at my response to Chair."
8. "I'm going to draw an association tell that will be more useful once BB flips scum."
9. "I should pay more attention to RedPanda."
10. "I have already covered this point twice in my post.:
11. "That is not a scumslip, Johhog, and you look like BB's scumbuddy for trying to make it into one."
12. "Pere, you are not posting enough content."
The only ones that could _possibly_ be what you say my post was are #4 and #11, and even then that's only if you oversimplify my logic to the point that it's not what I originally said anyways.
I call misrep.

Also what's with the aggression in #261?

Is aggression a scumtell?

1. the town motivation is that I am 100% sure that BBMolla is scum. there are no if's and but's about it.

This is quite literally impossible. There's no way to know 100% without a flip.

What about two roles who contradict each other?

You're also wrong, and if I do get lynched today, I will be expecting your lynch shortly after.

Subtly implying he's town and I'm not.

Your discrediting of Chair's true statements are hilarious.

What, so you're not going to say why they're "hilarious" or "bad"?

Notice: BB has posted TWICE since my catchup post in 259. Both of these have been directed EXCLUSIVELY at me. At nobody else.
Here is BB's ENTIRE list of reads:
Scum: Parama, Fishy (maybe? hasn't said a word about him since the start of the game though).
Town: ???

And you're accusing me of tunneling? How has BB been pro-town AT ALL since his claim? How was he pro-town BEFORE his claim? Questions that I don't think have answers.

[Parama]

that's like less than half of my case on BB. it's just his most recent two posts.

[Parama]

It wouldn't be an understatement to say that if we're both town... all hell will break loose in MD post-game, let's say.

[Parama]

Do you just want me to claim? 'cause it looks like you do.
I am a Town FLAVOR Cop. BB claimed Town NAME Cop. The role does exactly what BB claims his does, so it's basically the same role. I can only assume the discrepancy is caused by differing alignments, because I don't see a reason for there to exist not only two of the same town-sided role, but two of the same town-sided role that also have different role names. I actually didn't pick up on the role name difference at first though.
So I think BB is a MAFIA NAME COP.

[Parama]

Oh and yeah, this is why I am not ever changing my vote until we have a dead BBMolla.

[Parama]

Just the name.

[Parama]

I am not a Mafia Flavor Cop. There could be a mafia flavor cop, but it'd be the Mafia Name Cop that BBmolla is.

[Parama]

*sigh*
should've just claimed immediately if this is what's happening now.

[Parama]

Alright I'm fine with being lynched today, please when I flip town don't auto assume Parama is scum as I'm not sure that's the case.

-_-
o_-


FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFf this game. what the hell are we doing.

[Parama]

THIS DOESN"T MAKEJ ANY GODAMNM SENCE

[Parama]

But see
Chair, the issue is, BB is scummy of his own regards. he WAS scummy before he claimed, and he hasn't improved since.
At the same time, I don't see why he's offering himself up for a lynch

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[Parama]

I am the Architect.
Also, I want everyone to take a look at this chart.
I had a small lecture on this shortly before this game started. I didn't realize it was going to be the flavor of the game until I got my role PM, then was like "WELP."
Hence why I think a flavor cop has little to no usefulness in this game, apart from catching players who lie about their role name.
If ANYONE has a character name not on that table, they should claim now.
I don't think we should full name-claim right now, though. I wouldn't doubt that character names correspond to power roles at least to some degree (there is flavor in my role PM explaining why my character is my role, so).

[Parama]

No it's not. It's public knowledge. It's on wikipedia.
Though if it does break the game that'd be sweet.

[Parama]

Post restriction?

[Parama]

I don't care if you're on the chart, I only care if you're not on the chart <_<
These are just worthless posts now.

[Parama]

That may be.
The single worst.
Hammer post.
I've ever.
Seen.

Pray to god BB flips scum, Twisted, because if he doesn't I know who I'm going for tomorrow. And I know who you'll be gunning for tomorrow too.
*sigh* Though if BB flips town then I'm gonna have a chat with MD post-game.

[Parama]

It's not the hammer, it's the post.
"I am affirming that I am town, even though that's not proveable, and because I am town this hammer is okay."

[Parama]

On one level, I actually quite want BB to flip town. It would make tomorrow entertaining.

[Parama]

vote: Twisted

yah I'm probably gonna get lynched, but dammit, I'm going to at least try and get this game back on track.
FTR, I flavorcopped Chair. Not going to out unless necessary.

[Parama]

fine.
Chair is Champion.

[Parama]

Because he was a middle-of-the-road read going into night.
Why didn't you ask that when I first stated that I'd flavorcopped Chair?

[Parama]

Twisted why are you voting me BTW? At the end of yesterday you said you could see two cops... yet now you're voting me so...

[Parama]

best rule ever.
I have nothing more to say.

[Parama]

Because I don't inspect people that are heavily suspected by multiple people? That'd be a waste. Regardless of the rather useless nature of my role.

Hey Red. If there was a wagon on me, would that disprove that I was scum?
What makes me a better vote than kanye or Lurconis?

[Parama]

...
Johhog, can you think of another role name for Watcher? No? Didn't think so. It's a role that's a lot more common than a flavor cop/name cop and thus has a more universal accepted standard name.
You know what I think this game is about? It's a big gigantic middle finger to mod WIFOM. Role names are all off a chart. Dual roles everywhere. It's like mind screw, except with a relatively simple setup.

[Parama]

Flavor Cop and Name Cop are both standard role names, where as all of those are not.

[Parama]

join this marathon game you nubs

you have got to be fucking kidding me.

content soon maybe

[Parama]

okay actually
can we just lynch twisted
I'm too tired and lazy to put more evidence up against him atm :/

[Parama]

it's so obvious parama's scum...

*sigh*
You're not even trying to look townie anymore are you?

[Parama]

So you think there's two scum?
Oooh. Tell me more.

[Parama]

DGB's sig

[Parama]

yes now make that case anyways :3

[Parama]

vote: Zang

is fine for now, gonna reread some stuff later though.
FTR, I scanned somebody else last night, but I see no reason to out that info at this point in time

[Parama]

Lurc, who did I visit, then? If you know, you can tell me, right?
If you get it right then I'll tell you what their flavor name is.

[Parama]

And he is the Provider.

wooooohooooo

[Parama]

I have a vague recollection of reasons why Zang is scum but I really just put a vote down for the sake of putting a vote down tbh. I really need to read v_v

[Parama]

I planned on reading through Zang's ISO to refresh my memory as to why he was scum.
Then I read post 50 which reeks of town and thus stopped there.

unvote

I totally lost my handle on this game. Twisted was just too obvious and it made me lazy v_v

[Parama]

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

should I just hammer?

[Parama]

At least one of Chair/Zang is scum.

Reason?

why didn't you just vote zang?
(hint: don't do this now)

Tell me you're opinion. What is scummier? Lurking or active lurking?

Active lurking, like this post, is generally not regarded as a townie thing to do, at the very least ^^
I am in love with fishy's 636. It's like... this game is won
gonna say that out of the three you listed, Haylen and Peregrine are more likely IMO.

it wasnt the temperaments , its just when i hear the word architect, i equate it to the architect of the matrix.

holy christ. are you serious

is he serious

guys

I don't believe this you have got to be kidding me

this looks like a lame excuse
because there is no way in hell he can back up his suspicions
now y'know what I'm thinking? he put all his stock into chainsawing me and now that it's failed there's nothing left for him to do. he is screwed, and is telling a bad lie to try and cover up, but it is a bad lie.
iChanged
myMind

unvote vote RedPanda

traitor.

actually
y'now what
haylen's probably scum too
I am okay with hammering her so that we can get to the last scum tomorrow instead of wasting time splititng between two scum wagons

unvote

Johhog town
Parama town
Haylen scum
Chair null
PeregrineV null
RedPanda scum
fishythefish town
Zang town
Lurconis town

there's like
not even any ambiguity left
if we lynch everyone who hasn't shown their towniness this is a won game, it's 5 town-reads to (probably) 2 scum and 2 null to scummy townies. We have a majority in the obvtown category this is beautiful

NO BRAKES

haylen claim in your next post
if you don't I will hammer

honestly I'm probably going to hammer anyways but

[Parama]

I did not ask you to claim. Why did you claim.

[Parama]

*snore*

nothing has changed.

also @redpanda
if fishy had confirmed TS's role
don't you think things would've played out differently yesterday? what motive would fishy-scum have to deny his buddy's fakeclaim?

[Parama]

don't prod me I promise to post soon

[Parama]

on hayl's claim -

nulltell

seems weird for scum to fakeclaim
but it also seems like we don't have a sk

soooo

and I am not a sk turned vt in case you care.

Uh, I dont think there's an SK anymore. Check out the ordinary townpersons wincon on the example role PM's in the first post. The win condition wouldn't make sense because we'd win even if an SK was still alive and all mafia were dead.

...I hope the SK throws you under a bus...

...uh, blatant lie anyone?
>"there is no sk"
>"i hope sk kill u"

I don't even get this, it hardly matters, but haylen is lying about whether or not she thinks there's a sk?
I just don't understand... what would she gain from that?
...unless she was sk, but... claiming psych as sk is stupid.
Plus the point she brings up about the town wincon is pretty good evidence for no sk.

WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS HAYL YGFUTI*KG$D&#U^$%R&T^YUO
688 to 690 uncomfortable much?
ZANG holy christ were you rolefishing in 693?

This is the role name and not the actual role, right?

BAD ZANG. YOU SHOULD KNOW BETTER THAN THAT ||
then again redpanda already claimed anyways

but still
whatever
ugh

this post reads like crap doesn't it. IDC. Writing this really fast because I have to go out soon.
johhog
why did you vote peregrine in the first palce
why are you making your vote worse by switching to zang?
THERE'S
NOT EVEN REASON
NO LOGIC
NO WAGON ON HIM
WHAT ARE YOU DOING
MAKING STUFF HAPPEN =/= SWITCH FROM ONE NON-SUSPECT TO ANOTHER>>>>>

thinkign about it

this setup is SCREWED UP as all hell
2 town flavor cops
2 town watchers (probably)

cman is just trying to SCREW WITH OUT MINDS

it's working
I honestly don't even consider it out of possibility for hayl's roleclaim to be true
which says something
about this game

I actually I think that normally, a pshyciatrist without a SK would be more likely but since Haylen is the pshyciatrist I think it is more likely that she is scum because of her play in this game

WHYYWE*EOG K,O^LY
N _k(y
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STOP
THIS
MADNESS

WHAT THE

NO


NOOOOOOOOOOOOOo

NO.

That is IT.

I am

fed up with this

ZANG

you are being incredibly stupid about WEVERYTING this game

stop it

.thanks.

Did you read that link I posted? Psychiatrists are more likely in games that don't have an SK. I don't care if you lynch me, but I really really want Chair to be lynched tomorrow.

uh
wiki also lists common sucmtells
all of which
don't work

and could be out of date

saying "WELL DA WIKI SEZ THIS" is not an argument

You have contributed nothing to the town.

THIS

710 is beautiful. I'm sold.
Lurc I apologize for calling you stupid early (I think I did)

this makes up for it

unvote, vote: Johhog

but seriously why is everyone ignoring my cute fuzzy red panda case? :<
guys I don't drink btw

don't think I do

this post

is RAGE
not BOOZE

[Parama]

I need to use this more it seems. *sigh*

[Parama]

Haylen makes no sense
Zang is no sense

I DON'T CARE

CARRY ON MY WAYWARD SON

THERE'LL BE PEACE WHEN YOU'RE A NUN

[Parama]

my post contains plenty of scumhunting.
I was just in a bad mood.

Oh well.

[Parama]

shameless proddodge

camn I'm sorry but this is boring atm because there's not much to say, I know who I want to lynch today and I don't see much happening to change that.

[Parama]

>i'm architect
>i'm town

besides do you really think this game would be breakable that easily? considering all the other weird stuff going on here <_<
And assuming 3 scum, how would that explain scum getting a fakeclaim each?

[Parama]

Okay y'know what screw this.

unvote, vote: Haylen

Nobody is moving their votes. Johhog is a better lynch, but this game isn't going to move until we get another flip.

[Parama]

...that was fast.

[Parama]

haylen is a girl <.<

I never said I thought the hammer was bad, I'm just amazed as how quickly you got in here and hammered <.<

[Parama]

v_v

Why is Lurc still alive anywho? Mafia scared of a doc or something? I still think he's town, but.
Anyways! Zang == Counselor!

Hmm. Still think Johhog is the best lynch... chair might be the scum on the Haylen wagon... only one that looks possible, really.

vote: Johhog

[Parama]

I dunno, because we have a watcher claim alive and regardless of whether or not he's scum or town, scum can't kill me either way?\
Why the flipflop AGAIN?

[Parama]

"Scum are killing people who I think are scum."
"Therefore you are scum."

Thanks for connecting those two logically.

OH WAIT.

[Parama]

I AM A HE

MY GOD

YOU PEOPLE

[Parama]

You know what I need to do?
I need to reread a lot of stuff v_v

I still think Lurc's point on Johhog from D3 is valid, and I'm not sure why he's not even expressing interest in lynching Johhog (DON'T YOU DARE VOTE HIM RIGHT AFTER READING THIS I WILL HAVE YOUR HEAD).
But yeah let me reread D4 stuff really quick.

[Parama]

Zang:
>guts says johhog is town
>voting anyways
Why?

Johhog 775 is awful though. There were votes on you yesterday because there was a case on you yesterday, and that case is still valid today. Soooo yeah.

Zang if you don't think your vote is good WJHY DO YOU KEEP IT

AANZAGNGZ ZANG WHY DO YOU HATE MY BRAIN?

RedPanda - Does that make sense though? If you think certain people are scum, and are the only one thinking that, why would scum kill the other people? If they killed you, it'd make people more suspicious of the people you thought were suspicious, WIFOM or not, and it'd better throw town's trail off scum.
So how does that make sense? If scum had it out to get you, wouldn't they have done it by now? If not, why would they be killing people solely because you suspect them? The only logical conclusion here is that either you're scum or your theory is completely insane.

Pere's 781 reads as terrible non-committal... I see no content there.
Lurc 782 - If it's not obvious by now, yes I am roleconfirmed, but not alignment confirmed. And I agree with your stance on Johhog, but one super scummy thing IS enough to override minor towntells in my eyes. I thought he was town at the start of D3. I now think that stance is wrong.

I don't care about the WIFOM possiblities, I still think Lurc's town.

790 - People calling Johhog town are town by default? :S
796 - Show me this vision - I really am interested. If you have some major super thing on Pere that I'm not seeing, I'd love to see it, since he's still potential scum in my eyes.
797 - RedPanda - Only if your conspiracy theory is true, which I don't think it is.

No other flip would give us that much info.

Uh, a scumflip will always give more info than a townflip. This is NEVER a valid argument. "OH, HE MIGHT BE TOWN, AND SO AND SO HAS CLAIMED SCUM, BUT LYNCHING PARAMA OVER SO AND SO GIVES US MORE INFO". See the fallacy? Good. Never use that argument again.
Also... you want Zang lynched... but you don't want to provide a case on him? If you don't think he's getting lynched today, and you're not going to try to get him lynched, then you're wasting your vote. Oh wait nvm you're voting PeregrineV... and not providing a case on him either. Yeah.
Though the lack of effort on Johhog's part may signify either a weak bus or scum who's just given up. Eh. WIFOM.
Hmm... the timing of the switch to Pere does look a lot like last-minute distancing, though.

Parma flip gives us so much more information.

FFS PEOPLE.
Do you think I'm scum?
If you answered no to the above question, you shouldn't give a damn if my flip would give the most information.

I'm sorry for wallposting but I needed to read. I'm even MORE sure on my Johhog read now, though, so.

[Parama]

Prodvoid.

What the hell is happening here.

[Parama]

holy dear god this game is dead

prodvoidd about 8 hours after I'd be prodded if mod were here |||

[Parama]

I can't even do anything to make this go faster this time
Guys what are you doing.
Nobody cares. We're all doomed.

[Parama]

lurc

[Parama]

Wow, RedPanda just got owned.

[Parama]

Daykill: camn

Scumslipped.

[Parama]

Post. Now we have a post.

[Parama]

Suddenly a hammer xD

[Parama]

Weird.
In other news, Lurc is Crafter.
That means we know everyone's flavor name now.
Hmm... out of the 4 of you I'd say Peregrine and Chair are the most likely scum... Lurc being the least likely. Gonna reread a bit and confirm my reads, but I don't see much happening to change them.

[Parama]

I'mma startin' this here popcorn claim because I've already claimed.

Well unless Lurc wants to start it.

[Parama]

Not that I'm expecting much to come out of this really... 2 town flavor cops, 2 town watchers, and 1 psychiatrist-thingy whatever... if we have any more roles I'd be surprised
Then again all roles so far have proved to be about as useful as... well, vt <_<

[Parama]

those interactions with me are effing hilarious the way you wrote them xD

also sorry for not being doing much recently... totally have a ton of schoolwork stuff going on atm. Boo.

[Parama]

Okay, holy what.
WHAT

WHAT THE HELL GUYS

i mean yeah I'm being lazy too I guess

NO POSTS? REAALLY?

;/"P:l ,ml;thaoerj.[k'

[Parama]

OKAY WHATEVER MASSCLAIM GO

CHAIR

YOU FIRST

[Parama]

no, you claim all your reports

also pere you claim now

watcher/watcher/tracker/namecop/namecop vs rb/???/???

hmm.

[Parama]

...

uh hey
we know I claim Flavor Cop
we know Lurc claims Watcher

awesome

[Parama]

...it's really been 48 hours since anybody's posted here, huh?


I am gonna go eat dinner in a bit and when I get back I'm going to catch the scum 100%.

[Parama]

chair does your case have any other basis besides "he claimed watcher and he's still alive, therefore he must be scum?"

[Parama]

Okay.
Make a real case or go home.

[Parama]

Considering that you're not coming to any conclusions for any of them, your analysis is rather useless. A lot of little things are supposed to add up to a conclusion, but lacking the conclusion means you're just stuck with information not being used for anything. So, what are your conclusions thus far? <_<

[Parama]

So your posts are currently completely worthless. They're just paraphrasing the thread... why aren't you just skipping that step and going straight to analysis, then? :/

[Parama]

I GOT PRODDED

UH
uh

that analysis is mediocre compared to the build-up to it
but eh you're doing more than anyone else is sooo (sorrry sorry sorryryreuryeliu)

while I agree that Chair was one of the first to push on TS, his push on D1 and the start of D2 was half-hearted, and the Twisted wagon was practically DESTINED to go through to completion after the end of D1. So eh.
Twisted does completely avoid Lurc, yeah. He also hardly mentions sath and johhog, and acknowledges YOU even less than he mentions lurc.
On the flipside, Lurc payed a lot of attention to Twisted. Lurc's posts on twisted make me feel he's town voting scum, not scum bussing scum.
Why do multi-roles make things look odd? We have at least one of the following in this setup: 2 town flavor cops, 2 town watchers, or 1 town watcher and 1 town tracker. I know at least the first is guaranteed, and I highly doubt that both of Lurc and Zang are scum; funnily enough, considering who I consider to be scum at this point, having all three is rather likely FMPOV. It'd be brilliance if the only living town players at this point are PRs xD

Anyways... guys we have about 72 hours to lynch someone
And nobody is willing to vote.
So... mind if I start us off? We gotta get a wagon on scum going, and I still feel that the best place to find it is:

*suspenseful pause; I will vote at 8 PM CDT, no exceptions. 40 minutes from now.*

[Parama]

VOTE: CHAIR

sorry, got sidetracked by something more important.

blah blah blah

[Parama]

That's it?

[Parama]

So your common denominators are Pere and Zang, yet you want to lynch Lurc most?

[Parama]

wait, everyone alive now was voting TS?
Holy bussing batman. What. What. What?
This game... defies any sort of VCA?

...3 of us were on the BBMolla lynch; Chair and Pere are absent.
...4 of us were on the Hayl lynch; Pere is the only one not there.
...4 of us were on the Johhog lynch; Chair is the only one not there.

Alsol LOL @ 3 players being on every single lynch wagon. And they're me and my two town reads too xD

...hmm.

unvote

HMM.
Hmm.
HHHMMMMMM.

WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

...yeah Pere and Chair probably aren't scum together based on this little tidbit of VCA alone.
But WOW that's amazing.
Maybe Zang is scum?

[Parama]

if pere and chair aren't scum together then zang almost certainly is

god dammit

I dunno can they still both be scum together? I could look stuff up.
I could.

...I have to do some homework still, too. I could look stuff up. Hmm.

[Parama]

MOD: You're not gonna let us have a deadline extension, are you? <_<

[Parama]

Mmk here's whhat we're gonna do;
Everyone say who you want to lynch the most at this point in time. NO VOTING. Time limit for this: 24 hours max. It shouldn't be very hard.
I'll start: I still want to see a smashed Chair, though not as strongly as I did a few hours ago <.<

[Parama]

fine.
Chair is Champion.

Yes that was the plan. You visited Johog.

And he is the Provider.

Anyways! Zang == Counselor!

In other news, Lurc is Crafter.

NOT LIKE IT MATTERS ANYMORE BUT <_<

also you have the tracker and watcher backwards in that post
...which makes me feel you're not scum with either of those two IMO. Hmm.

also, answer my question kthx?

[Parama]

I don't really have any scumreads.

GOD
DAMMIT
ZANG



































































SCREW YOU

[Parama]

CAN YOU

TRY?

FOR THE SAKE OF MY SANITY?

[Parama]

ANSWER

MY

QUESTION

RAAAAAAAHHHHHHH

[Parama]

Everyone say who you want to lynch the most at this point in time.

[Parama]

what the hell are you talking about

the person you find scummiest = the person you want to lynch. pick one.

and what are you talking about with the flavor names

[Parama]

pick one

ffs

I'm trying to do a thing here.

[Parama]

...
whatever.

screw this.
Chair: 1
Zang: 2.5
Lurc: 1
Parama: 0.5

What this probably means:
Zang isn't scum. Doesn't really say much about anyone else, but I'd REALLY prefer a not-Zang lynch at this point.
Frankly, Pere/Chair just keeps seeming more likely the farther we get into this day... and I'm the only one who wants to vote Chair, with nobody wanting to vote Pere v_v
uh well guys we have 30 hours or so to lynch
I'm not waiting around any longer. If we're going down, I'm going down fighting.

vote: Chair

If this is wrong, well, damn. At least we didn't NL in LyLo. But I think this is the best bet we have at this point.

[Parama]

Sup, I'm here and not hammering.

[Parama]

unvote, vote: Zang

jk

[Parama]

man this was a terrible endgame guys

seriously now :/

[Parama]

Camn was there a dead QT?

Also yes the setup would've been insanely town-sided without a ninja; and the setup was kinda flavor-broked which makes me unhappy.

[Parama]

I gambit as town too <.<

[Parama]

it's

it's really boring
honestly

i'd post if it was interesting
it isn't

[Parama]

We wouldn't have needed to lurk to win

The townies were doing it for us

Though I'm surprised nobody caught on to all my stall tactics on that last day <.<