Double Vote Mafia -Mini 1239- Over

[Whiskers]

/confirm.

It's five to play, right? Or was that some other game.

[Whiskers]

So can we play now? How many are conf'd?
8/12. Four remain.

[Whiskers]

^So really, Lynch# needs to be normal for number of players, since they can only have ONE vote on any given player at a time.

Vote: Killerjester
Vote: Hiraki

KJ because hiphop's reasoning is sound (RVS or even Pregame doesn't mean you're not held accountable for your actions-- once you have your role PM and start posting, you are playing)

Hiraki because he's lurking scum in the other game I'm in too and he hasn't flipped town or scum there so I don't know whether lurky is town or scum meta for him. Either way, I think it's anti town and pisses me off.

[Whiskers]

Nopony Special! Why are you changing your votes around so much?
Unvote: ...Idr.

Vote: Nobody Special
Vote: Killer Jester

1: For lurking and changing votes without explanation.
2: Same reasons as before.
Also, AV is acting scummy, why?

[Whiskers]

Nice to see you have no good reason for your vote, Christine.

And it was a question for AV; "Why are you acting scummy?"

Welcome, protoplasm. Are you scum?

[Whiskers]

Why? Town should lynch the people they find scummy. Therefore, he is not scum.

Yeaaaahh I'm going to go ahead and call this a scumslip.

Confirm vote

Um, how do you figure?

[Whiskers]

Hip: Yes, we do seem to be in the same game quite often. Maybe we'll actually win this time, eh? ^_^ (And I won't get lynched D1 <_<).

Way to buddy.

NS: I think you've made your point. Whiskers didn't realize that protoplasm flaked, and Voided was the replacement. In addition to being scummy, I don't think it's likely that Voided is Whiskers's scumpartner. Do you agree?

Never occurred to me; I don't teamhunt on Day One, as it's useless to so do without flips. however, I have not yet ruled out the possibility that Whiskers is scum. Avoiding questions is very, very bad. As is selective reading.

Where have I been selectively reading?

Also, I don't answer stupid questions. For more info, see, "What timezone are you in?"

Just to clear it up, though, I typed out the wrong name-- protoplasm instead of VoidedMafia.

[Whiskers]

In concluusion, thank you Voided for commenting on everything.

Furthermore, I will not be on your wagon when you are lynched.
(P.S., you could consider ^that^ buddying.)

[Whiskers]

Okay, I'm not liking how much of a thing NS is making out of the original question.

NS, why is it so important to know if English is Whiskers' first language?

It is so not important and I don't feel it has any bearing on the game. However, that's all you're doing, Nopony Special. There's really nothing in this game that you can comment on but "Whiskers, is english your first language?"

Whiskers, maybe you'll answer my questions:
"Why won't you answer the simple question NS put to you?"
"How did you feel when you drew a scum role?"
"Do you have any comment about my vote for you and/or its implications?"

@Voided, the support was in me saying I agreed. Yes it's not a huge wagon but it implies that he's onto something and his ideas could pick up with other people as the game goes on.

2: Answered above.
3: I love playing scum. I didn't draw a scum role in this game, unfortunately. I know you keep naming the scumteam, on Day 1, with no information and no flips, but just because you're dropping that scumtell over and over and over again doesn't mean I am scum. In fact, I am, indeed, not scum.
4: You're voting me? Um, no, I don't really care. You are so bad. I'm happy to just use Voided's reasoning and I'm a little surprised when the bandwagon hopped over to her. I'd rather comment about that, so here goes:
Changing reads is not a scumtell. When she changed her read to you being scum, it could have changed again in the next page or so. However, your incredible reaction, your flipping tables, your angry, angry responses, look really bad and there's not a good reason for them. Scum keeps their cool? I guess that's wifom, so I'm willing to

Unvote. Unvote.

Vote: Nopony Special
Vote: AuVox.

For focusing on something that isn't a town, scum, or nulltell, just to have something to focus on without doing ANYTHING in the game. Way to go, active lurking.
For Flipping tables when called out.

fos: Nintendoaddict1, for sticking up for the little guy.

[Whiskers]

Maybe, but wifom.

[Whiskers]

^ is that... coaching?

Anyway, Christine, I'm pretty sure the Hikari wagon has dissipated (With only one vote on it-- Friend Mairsil, who hasn't come back in to remove her vote). So, way to not pay attention to anything that's going on in the game.

Nopony Special, my first language is, indeed, English. I don't like giving small details (You'll notice that I won't tell you what timezone I'm in). Where do you think I was selectively reading, now that you can't focus on a stupid little thing? Hmm? I asked you that before, but you never answered me, and it, unlike YOUR question, was related to the game.

[Whiskers]

^What does that mean? Who was it directed at?

[Whiskers]

If it WAS directed at me, than,
"Uh if you ask for small details, and you don't want to give them, why should you like do anything then."

I didn't ask for small details. I don't want to give certain, non-game related details. "why should you like do anything then" doesn't give me any information, I don't know what you're asking here, or what you want, or what you're trying to tell me.

I'm gonna be hypocrtical here, though, because I have to ask-- Hiraki, is English

your

first language? Or, maybe a better way of putting it would be,
"Hirkai, Are you being intentionally confusing? Why!?"
Some of your posts are strings of words that don't mean anything.

[Whiskers]

So, "selective reading" in all of... one, maybe two, posts? I still haven't bothered to go back and check why I thought you were changing your votes-- I'll look into it shortly. As for the second one, I explained-- I messed up. Problem solved. Not satisfied? It's the same player

slot

. You all knew who I was talking to.

Oh MAN! As for questions, if you or I can come up with a suitable explanation, I'll likely answer it. This one, for example.
Better yet, with the pressure from the other players, this little queston has become a major event, something that you had to push and push, and it kept you from any other scumhunting.
Frankly, I don't think your explanation was adequate.

To conclude, I will sum up your case on me:
Initial refusal to answer a question (which, as it turns out WAS

very

useful-- it allowed you to justify the weak read you have on me!)
A single typo (which you seem to be reading a lot into, even when you said my Other posts don't display signs of selective reading). And,
The bit at the beginning, which, from my point of view, is the only legitimate point you make. I don't know what happened here, so I'll look into it.

You've blown the question bit far bigger than is reasonable.
For the record, I will also not tell you where I live, my gender, my race. No information about my age. No Social Security numbers, no street addresses, no names. Look. I'm a player of this game on the internet. If I do something scummy, point it out. Say, 'hey, this thing you did was scummy.' Maybe even place a vote on me for it. But there's no need to entierly stop all scumhunting. What would you have done if I were Not a fluent Englicist? Would you have taken that minor typo and just brushed it aside?

[Whiskers]

Oh my GOD, why are you so bad?

Vox, nintendo was pointing out that you only get ONE double lynch. That's flailing? Yeah, because it's CERTAINLY better to use our ONE double lynch when we have the LEAST information.

Why the hell do you want to lynch nin, voided, or me?

As much as I hate to do it Day 1, I'm gonna put down my bets and call the scumteam (or at least part of it) where my votes are. I'm not sure, but that's where my money is.

[Whiskers]

You, sir, put it excellently in a sentence, where I dropped long, garbled paragraphs.

[Whiskers]

Okay, well, let me suggest you reinterpret. The way I understand is, we get One Double-Lunch, and THEN it works exactly the way you stated above, the rest of the game.

But that first time we have a double-hammer, we get a double lynch.

I plan not to allow a double hammer if I can help it.

[Whiskers]

Ah, I don't intend to allow a double-hammer on Day 1, I mean.

[Whiskers]

Hey AV, when have you ever brought up a 1-v-1?

I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do, but I'll gladly take you on, since you're scum and I'm not.

Also, town 1v1? is that town-on-town?

[preedit]
Also, why setup mislynched? And why say it like that, like you're going to flip town? I will not buy into your wifom. You're not even displaying it kindly. You're doing something scummy that has no motiviation for scum, but if you're going to play the game this way, I will upport your lynch.

Obviously we should not use the double lynch yet.

[Whiskers]

"For towns 1v1s are a great deal."
What?

Also, I'm pretty sure I AM supporting your lynch. Am I somehow Not supporting your lynch? I meant to be.

Unvote, unvote.

Vote: Nopony Special
Vote: AuVox

Whoa, dejavu. Because, I unvoted my votes and then voted for the exact same players.

[Whiskers]

Yeah, great. That's why we trade power roles, out the cop with a guilty to catch a mafia.

But I am town. I don't know if

you

are town. I don't

think

you are town. I don't think you are town

so much

that I want you lynched.

You claim to be town. You also have a long list of other players that you'd be happy to go out with-- all townies, I presume.
If you are town, then your going out with me will not service nor benefit the town in any way.

As for, "I will support your lynch," I mean, I don't see scum motivation in your bullshit (except for townpoints and a last chance at being saved, perhaps), but I will push for your lynch because I think you're using wifom or... something.

[Whiskers]

I don't know what the something was. I was late for class and ran there after posting that. HOWEVER. I am back. Give me a bit, I'll turn off my music and think about it.

______________

Nope, look. Just because I can't see scum motivation in his bullshit, It doesn't make me think he's not scum. It makes me question my read. I do a double-take. And all I can figure is that that's the point. You're using... reverse psychology? Wifom, I guess. But I don't trust you and I won't fall for it. When you say, "Double-lynch ME, AND somepony else!" I can see the motivation being there for dumbtown, but not for scum. So,

There's

the motivation-- to look like dumbtown, play to that meta later.

Now, your whole thing where you're changing your playstyle.
"Oh man, I'm trying this great new approach, but I don't know if it's great yet. Also, I hate to sacrifice myself, because I'm using this great new approach, but if I have to sacrifice myself to catch scum, that's what I'll do. Even though the sacrifice of me has no bearing on whether or not I catch scum, and I might not catch scum anyway (because I don't know how effective this great new approach is)."

By the way, do you have a case on me? On us? I'm hoping you flip scum mainly because I'd like to add these two to my list of probclears. I've been on a scum team when somepony else calls it Day 1. I don't fight it, I ignore it. I've seen what happens when a townie calls a scumteam, and sir,

you do not have it.

I know this for a fact because I am, IN fact, Not scum, and therefore, not part of Any scumteam.

Give me your case.
Come At Me, Bro.

[Whiskers]

fyi, killerjester, the post complaining about adhom and voting for you was immediately after your second pic.

Also, AV, I only have two votes. I can't vote for everypony.

[Whiskers]

Nice, but he never said that last one.

IT'S SO FUCKING OBVIOUS.

WHY HASN'T AURORUSMAFIA BEEN LYNCHED YET?

[Whiskers]

Wow, really? He said something about "meaning to play a game with" me. Flakers gonna flake?

[Whiskers]

It was a non RVS reason, but because the game had not actually started, it was a random vote.

[Whiskers]

Sorry, not a random vote, but a silly vote.

RVS is something we've made up, it doesn't actually have to contain random votes. Many times, These "random" votes have reasoning behind them, which may or may not be related directly to the game. In this case, it was

pre-

game. Is this the point before we even got our Role PMs?

If it was before we got role PMs, then the whole case is void. I've been treating it otherwise.


In Anycase, it was not a serious vote. Maybe not a random vote, but not a serious one. Random is the term we use, because Random Voting Stage is the term we've labeled the part before we get into the meat of the game.

[/fluff]

[Whiskers]

Idk, I remember one game we had a stupid mod who opened the thread before he even sent out the role pms. idr if this was that game.

It was as serious as the pictures he was responding to.

[Whiskers]

yeah i would support it. seeing as we only get one in the game, i feel its best if we use it early to get rid of the option of scum using it in the later rounds.

WHAT.

REALLY.

ARE YOU SHITTING ME?

You're Shitting me, right?

[Whiskers]

His case on you is that you put a vote on before the game that looked like a serious vote.

However, since it was before the game (therefore not slowing down the game), it was a pointless vote.

Here's the final defense:
Accusation: NA had a valid reason to vote for kj in the Pregame, but didn't vote for him when the game started.
Defense: kj didn't continue doing the scummy thing NA had a valid reason to vote for him for after the game started. Therefore, the reason was no longer valid.

[Whiskers]

Maybe it's reverse psychology, but AVox seems way too eager to lynch himself when there's a very strong possibility that it will happen - with the double hammer. I'm really doubting that scum would support the 1 for 1 idea in this situation, and it definitely seems to come from a town perspective.

Here's why a scum going down would love a 1-v-1 situ:

# Scum is going down, will be lynched anyway.
# 1-v-1 will cause a mislynch, bringing down not only a scum (already going down), but also a townie.
# We lose our one and only Double-Lynch.

Now, why would he press so hard to get us to use it Day 1?
# He's already going down.
# Town has the least information and can't study flips and must decide who to double-lynch with the GREATEST amount of uncertainty all game, and therefore:
# We won't be able to use it when the scum talk themselves into corners and are caught

I WILL NOT be on a Nintendo Addict lynch, not Day 1.

[Whiskers]

Is malpascp ripe for replacement yet?

Killer, weren't you scum too?
Maybe that was another game... I'm having a tiny bit of trouble keeping them all straight.

For example, I really don't remember why I'm voting for AuVox. i remember t was something good, but...

On the note of ponies who are missing, and ponies who I am voting for, where is Nopony Special? Came under heat so decided to lay low for a while? Or what?

[Whiskers]

You guys give an incredible amount of detail that makes me want to unvote everything forever. Those cases. So compelling. *sniff*

[Whiskers]

Yes, I vaguely remember you having said something about something. I'll go scan your ISO to see if I can find it. I ought to be like, the fourth post from the bottom.

[Whiskers]

FoS: nintendoaddict

And, nintendo, don't twist my words. It's the arrogance, and the avoidance of a simple question that makes me think she's scum.

This (twisting your words) and being stupid about the rules makes NA scum.
Me refusing to answer your question makes me scum.

I'm less than impressed with both cases.

[Whiskers]

Hey, Filly Maresil. We don't definitely have a cop.

Why is Nopony Special not caring what I have to say funny?

[Whiskers]

Also, I made the point where you, AVox, a scum in danger of being lynched, would prefer a "1-for-1" double-lynch to a scum single-lynch.

[Whiskers]

^

[Whiskers]

*groan*

[Whiskers]

I am a VT,
Nopony Special, what did it say in your Role PM? Did it say, "Vanilla Townie"? Because mine didn't.

My top pick is AuVox. He was my top pick, then as his activity fizzled, he became less and less in the front of my mind. Lurking promotes survival, survival is pro-scum.
My secondary vote is on Nopony Special, as he flipped tables over a temporary vote on him.

[Whiskers]

Okay.

Unvote: Nopony Special

Vote: Friend Maresil

Consider it a combination of an OMGUS and a vote that won't lynch. I'm putting it there because it has to be somewhere.

And no, Rainbow Dash, I was NOT popcorning AV. I was popcorning NS again, technically. Instead, I'll popcorn Hikari or Nintendo Addict, whomever comes on first (or rather, complies first, since I have the feeling Hikari will be a dick and refuse to play the game some more).

[Whiskers]

Setup Speculation?

Generally a bad idea, but I guess this doesn't look like a game with fantastic/wifomic roles. ie, a pretty standard setup here.
Sure, why not.
The worst thing that happens is we lose PRs, right?

RD, should the doc claim doc?

[Whiskers]

I'll react by saying I wish I wasn't a placeholder, as I've already got a big wagon on me.
--Then again, I think you were already on that wagon, so nothing changed.

Still, I don't like, say, Friend Maresil's "placeholder vote" on me either, since I feel I'm in danger of being lynched.

Also, for the record, I

Didn't

look at the setup. That's in the first post or so, right?

[Whiskers]

Reading what I should have preeditted, I see it was NOT a placeholder vote...? I don't remember, when did you change your reasoning?

Also, RD, Gambits are soooo hard.

[Whiskers]

after re-reading this entire thing im with nintendo on this one. also i dont like how AV is pushing against him for a misrepresentation of an ADHOM. (btw whats this accronym. i mean i know what it means, i just dont know what it means...you feel me?)

VOTE AurorusVox & Whiskers

sorry whisk i needed another name

/shrugs

@AV , cuz both of you are playing the same game. for lack of a better way of saying it. in my experience when people get into the type of argument you and NIN did one tends to be scum.

i voted whiskers because she was defending NIN

. now if either of you flip scum, then i know exactly who im going after tomorrow. if neither of you flip scum then again i know who im gonna go after.

so i guess to answer your question a bit better, yes im useless today. tomorrow when more information is revealed will be the day that i can play with some certainty

[Whiskers]

Supposed to be at the top of the last post:
No, no, not you-- Friend Maresil's.
Observe:

[Whiskers]

We meet again, RD.

Also, my top pick is Vox, and it hasn't really moved since I put it

As for the massclaim, I can kinda see how it'd mess up scum, since its so jarring and they'll probably have to start scrambling to get themselves prepared to fakeclaim. You always start out strong, don't you, RD?

Unpopcorn: Nintendo Addict & Hikari.

Popcorn: VoidedMafia & Friend Maresil.

Friend because I want hers. (Just like Hiraki)
VM, because I want it to happen speedily. (Just like Nin)

[Whiskers]

Vote both of the. Explain later.

Why is Nintendo scum?

I can see Friend Maresil scum, but I don't have a case.

[Whiskers]

So much is wrong here.

@whiskers - my place holder vote was a reasoned vote as explained in-between those two posts (post 323.) the reasoning simply wasnt stated in the original post as it really wasnt needed, but was asked for. why didnt you quote that one? hmmm.... this doesnt bold (is this the right word, or am i misspelling it? cuz i feel like i am, but dont wanna go out and find out) well for you dear. i mean seriously with every post you make i tend to agree with AVox more and more. (read post #330 for clarification of my last statement).

you vote me because I defended Nintendo. I don't think he's scum. I think the thing on him is out of proportion. I think his attackers are scummy for attacking him.
Also, bode.

It's pretty obvious that one of us is scum and one of us is town.
So really we both should swing today.

I'm town so it's better for us if just you and your buddy Nintendo are lynched but a 1 for 1 is still good enough for me.

This? You agree with him on this? That either he or I is scum, and the other town? I'm not sure of that at all. That's not obvious. Ever heard of Town verses Town?
Since you're voting for me, I asusme you (currently) think I'm scum.
If I was lynched, and I flip town, would you immediately try to push a AurorusVox lynch?
That's what I thought.

oh and you dont have a case cuz im not scum. duh. if i was im pretty sure id be laying low, like Hiraki low, or be really trying to lynch someone by now using perfectly logically reasons. while i do realize this is WIFOM talk its true to my meta; and since im talking about how i play, most of my past games can be found here....http://www.magicdeckvortex.com/forum/fo ... p?43-Mafia choose any game besides the second to last one and im in it

Wrong; I don't have a case because I haven't bothered to build one.
If lawing low is scummy, like, Hiraki low, then why aren't you voting for Hiraki?

You're not trying to lynch useing "perfectly logical reasons"?
Also, I want to say you're pretty easily active lurking, but I'll have to look more closely for that.

Next: Self meta? Cool story, bro.

@rainbow - how am i scum? please do explain and make a case. i mean your statement seems like your sure. so why not tell the class why exactly. oh and BTW i dont like that fact that your ok with our cop and one goon being offed plan. its flawed, and only benefits scum.

Why not? How does it "only benefit scum"? AurorusVox wants to trade one townie for one scum. Why not trade on e Power Role Townie for one Scum? Still benefits town, right? In that case, we can KNOW one of them is scum-- Cop with guilty outs, trading Cop for scum, benefitting town. In AVox's case, either he is scum and knows I am town, or he is town and doesn't know I am town (thinks I'm scum). So he MIGHT trade 1 scum for 1 town, or he might trade 1 town for 1 town.

Rainbow Dash's version is about 20% cooler.

[Whiskers]

Did she claim yet?
Because if she didn't...

[Whiskers]

@Whiskers - When did you realize this was an open setup?

When he quoted it, nnnnngh....

[Whiskers]

Ever heard of Town verses Town?

You obviously agree me, cf. your vote on me. Why are you scolding him for not thinking of TvT when you yourself don't think its true?

What does this mean? "cf."? Also, I think I

HAVE

thought of TvT, but I don't know your alignment. I think it's scummy to push for the double lynch unless you KNOW somepony is scum. If you are town, you don't. So I'm not pushing the doulbe lynch right now, I'm pushing you to STOP IT, since you can't have any way of knowing that you're trading TvS. Wait until we get a cop report or something.

Can you show me where I said that?

I mean, seriously, you're gonna get 12 claims of VT. And then wherre will be be? It's not like there ARE any other roles aside from VT and Goon.

Did you even read the setup?

Top vote would be Whiskers I guess.

[Whiskers]

@Whiskers - When did you realize this was an open setup?

When he quoted it, nnnnngh....

You seem pretty convinced that there was no cop earlier in the game though. What was up with that then?

@NS - Im obviously going to disagree, what should be 12 straight "vanilla town" posts is not meaningless busywork. Infact you already saw that it had potential to catch a few ponies who werent paying attention. Still pretty sure this is you being scum or you just not liking my tactic because it goes against everything that gets engrained in our minds from early on.

When? I ctrl+f'd my iso and the first time I said cop was recently, when I was trading blows with AurorusVox.

[Whiskers]

No, I'm really that fucking stoopid. No sarcasm.

My bad.

In any case, at leasdt wait for a flip before using our double vote. Yous eem to want to take on anypony who'll 1v1 with you. Why?

[Whiskers]

*double lynch

[Whiskers]

Hey, hey Rainbow Dash--


TOWN VOTING BLCOK!?!? BAHAHAHAHAAAHAAHAAAHAAAAHAAhaahaahaaaaaa...

.!!

[Whiskers]

Vote count (Edited from #424)

AurorusVox - 4 (Voidedmafia, Whiskers, Friend Marisil, nintendoaddict1)
Voidedmafia - 3 (Hiraki, Alnara, killerjester)
nintendoaddict1 - 5 (AurorusVox, killerjester, Voidedmafia, Rainbowdash, Christine)
Christine
robotnik2 - 1 (Hiraki)
killerjester
Friend Mairsil - 1 (Whiskers)
Hiraki - Rainbowdash
Alnara
Whiskers - 3 (AurorusVox, Nobody Special, Friend Marisil)
Rainbowdash - 2 (Alnara, Nobody Special)
Nobody Special - 2 (nintendoaddict1, Christine)

Not voting - robotnik2

nintendoaddict1 is -2

Hiraki, stop being a useless piece of shit all day, and try and play all these games. K?

Can we prod robotnik2, please?

[Whiskers]

Because you didn't say anything.

Maybe answer. Hiraki, could you please put nintendoaddict at L-1? I want to try something.

[Whiskers]

Why?
WHY isn't nintendo scum?

See, this is why I don't like you, Hiraki, you don't fucking play the game.

[Whiskers]

Hi, meta? But sure, he's newish to the site.

But he's not playing frantically, or even VI-ish. He's say, "oho, no, I won't answer your question, I won't help the town!"
____________

Who IS scum?

[Whiskers]

Sure. It keeps you from going, "Oh, well, the player I

REALLY

wanted to lynch was [other vote]."

It lets us more easily analyze a wagon. It lets us look at the votes later and say, "Oh, this player had her secondary vote on X all day, but never really made a case on him and never wanted to lynch him. Could this be distancing!?"

[Whiskers]

Why should it make Vox look any less scummy? Unless "one of his suspects" flips scum before he gets lynched, we have little reason to think he's not scum. What RD is saying here is that, if he is scum, he wouldn't bus a partner in this way, because there's a chance that they'd bothy be lynched, which would SUCK for scum.

[Whiskers]

Fascinating.

Unvote. Unvote.

Vote: NintendoAddict1. Vote: Friend Maresil.

somepony hammer.

[Whiskers]

Fascinating.

Unvote. Unvote.

Vote: NintendoAddict1. Vote: Friend Maresil.

somepony hammer.

[Whiskers]

Fascinating.

Unvote. Unvote.

Vote: NintendoAddict1. Vote: Friend Maresil.

somepony hammer.

[Whiskers]

Pretty much. Analyze the flip.

Where does it say that town has Daytalk? First post?

[Whiskers]

Ah, ah, I LIKE Robotnick's list. He puts AuV as a scummy townie, which I'm cool with-- he doesn't ignore AuV's scumminess, but finds better (in his mind) places for his vote.

I'm also fairly happy with his null-read on me, it means I'm town. If he had a town read on me, I'd be worried.

[Whiskers]

What is it about Nobody Special that makes you think him not scum?

Please note, I am using "correct," "man-speak" terms for this post, just to appeal to you. I really want to know what's going on in your head, because I don't really understand any of what you say. Please, a case? [/beg_beg_beg]

[Whiskers]

"Never" being relative to how much he talks as town?

[Whiskers]

Incorrect!

[Whiskers]

Define "tunneling," the way you were using it. Because I think you mean something slightly different, while "Confirmation Bias" (redirected from "Tunneling") is what you were really doing.

Remember to answer the question I asked.

[Whiskers]

No, 532.

[Whiskers]

Ebwop;

NOPONY SPECIAL should answer this question, not you. Don't you dare.

[Whiskers]

Refusing to vote (1) - Nintendo

So... what happened to "I'm going to assume whatever I want to assume because you won't answer"? What changed your mind?

You bitched about it.
Which is a whole lot scummier than anything else so far--- r at least it makes it easy to put blame on you.

[Whiskers]

Does that mean I can quick hammer Nintendo?

[Whiskers]

Well, if he's scum, he doesn't want to give town any more time, right?

Unfortunately, twilight phase negates this.

So, NintendoAddict, are you town, or scum?

[Whiskers]

I'm not sad, either.

Means we don't have to lynch them today.

[Whiskers]

Wait, why?

I mean, I understand why statistically we double lynch, but why did you pick those two? (Don't need a big long case, just a refresher, please.)

[Whiskers]

Kk. I'll wait to sheep you until I've read them myself.

[Whiskers]

Not yet.

I'm cool with a Friend Maresil lynch, but I agree, let's remember that Robotnick2 is a replacement.

[Whiskers]

The reason Nin and I might have been buddies is that I defended him for a while (didn't feel strongly enough about the case on him) and pretty much 180'd later in the Day (when RainbowDash came around and Nin refused to play along).

[Whiskers]

I'd like the posts and case on my original scumminess, please.

Also, Rainbowdash, that's wifom and scummy for you to defend me using it. (that said, I don't think you & nin would have bussed, whern it would have been much easier to not lynch your buddy and lynch two townies (AV(may be a townie) and another-- likely me) instead.)

[preedit]
I too, do not understand that thing.

[Whiskers]

Whiskers: the point of your original scumminess was the fact that you said I was scummy but then voted elsewhere. That's basically it.

WHAT. WHY WOULD I DO THAT?!

I will not ISO myself to find out what the fuck could have happened.

[Whiskers]

Nopony Special! Why are you changing your votes around so much?
Unvote: ...Idr.

Vote: Nobody Special
Vote: Killer Jester

1: For lurking and changing votes without explanation.
2: Same reasons as before.
Also, AV is acting scummy, why?

Didn't say you were scum, necessarily. Only have two votes. Did vote you later, when I had better reasoning.

Also, a reason somepony thought I was scummy was the bit at the very top of the post, asking NS why he was changing his votes. I don't know who I was talking to or If I really thought NS was changing his votes around.

Looking back, I don't know what my suspicion on you was from, but it was a minor suspicion-- less suspicious than, say, my reason for NS; lurking and changing votes around with out explanation.

Your current case on me is an old OMGUS? In each game we have a certain number of votes and then we vote for our favorites. You weren't one of them, then.

[Whiskers]

#18: Her vote on me was "a placeholder," so the "original reason" that she

kept

it on me would have been that, and would have been at some point between when she voted me (randomly) and when she claimed that was the reason.

Other than that, I <3 cases against Friend Maresil.

[Whiskers]

Good catch.

[Whiskers]

But multiple choice is so easy?

Hiraki, do you believe in meta?

Also, Rainbow, you said something else about two ponies you liked as scum, but didn't think they were scum-partners so would lynch just one of them instead. Am I incorrect? I remember you saying that.

Having the scum-lynch on Day 1, I'd like a perfect Town win, please.

Not hammering Friend Maresil because there's a lot of time in the Day, and there isn't a good reason not to use some of it.
The question is, why wasn't Rainbow Dash killed last Night?

[Whiskers]

Sure.

Anyway, Hiraki always plays like this. So-- meta.

Hiraki, are you like me, so that you adjust your town play to fit your scum meta?

Rainbowdash, are

you

ready for me to hammer?
I'm not yet, but I'm also not confident I'll actually put any more (read as: any at all) work into this Day.

[Whiskers]

Hmm.

Whiskers I read as leaning town. It's a bit... wibbley? Don't know if that makes sense, but Whiskers feels quite town, but not solidly so. Like, I wouldn't be overtly suprised if he flipped scum, but I think he's town.

Hiraki on the other hand, I really am starting to read as scum. He's very evasive, cagey, purposefully makes the game... not harder, but just doesn't answer simple questions. However, as pointed out by Whiskers, that's his meta, so he could just be scummy town. Again though, I feel he's scum.

@Rainbow - I'm pro-double lynch, and my lynch partners would be Hiraki/Friend. If they both flipped scum, I would then vote for a NS lynch tomorrow, as I feel he's the only other candidate for scum. I also agree with you on your Christine read, but I also find myself unable to explain exactly why.

So anways, here's my reads at the moment:

Rainbowdash: Town
Christine: Town
killerjester: Town
AurorusVox: Leaning Town
Whiskers: Leaning Town
Voidedmafia: Null
Friend Mairsil: Scum
Hiraki: Scum
Nobody Special: Scum

So with all that,
UNVOTE: Nobody Special
VOTE: Hiraki

Way to say the exact same thing as RainbowDash in a blatant attempt to please her?
Also, if Friend Maresil and Hiraki both flipped scum, you wouldn't vote for any lynch the next Day, as the game only has three scum. Setup is in the first post, right? Did you read the game when you replaced in? I thought the confusion had been cleared up. Here's the [+townpoints for not knowing the setup, 'cause scum would know the setup blah blah blah] you asked for-- consider them signed with a kiss from Rainbowdash.

Rainbow Dash: why is Killerjester Conftown? Just asking. , I don't remember him being confirmed.
How come Christine gets slotted into your ALL TOWN VOTING BLOCK? Actually, I don't remember Christine being around to say anything ever.
If the Friend Maresil scum-flip cements me as town, does that mean it cements Nopony Special as scum? (are you setting up a mislynch?)

Robotnick2 is desperately looking to be petted and somepony to say, "Good puppy."
I was more cool with a Hiraki lynch before you guys started pushing it. They way you're doing it looks bad. For good or ill, Lynch all assholes doesn't apply very often in this game.

Unvote Unvote Unvote Unvote.

[Whiskers]

Again, how dare you. Justify this please.

Way to say the exact same thing as RainbowDash in a blatant attempt to please her?

Here's the [+townpoints for not knowing the setup, 'cause scum would know the setup blah blah blah] you asked for-- consider them signed with a kiss from Rainbowdash.

Step 1: read thread.
Step 2: Realize Rainbowdash is giving out free towncred for being stoopid.
Step 3: be stoopid.

[Whiskers]

Yes, but, he

really really really

wanted that towncred.

Also, AV, go eat a

Cupcake!

But more pertinant to the game, what's the scumtell you have on Hiraki?

[Whiskers]

How is not following up on your OWN questions scumhunting? It's not just an absence of scumhunting, it's the OPPOSITE.

Let's try this a different way. What was the purpose of you inviting other players to clarify their AVTown reads?

And the interactions of other players re: nintendo is one place to start reassessing your reads. Even if you think he's so mysterious that he gives nothing away as scum (clearly a fallacy since he was lynched D1 due to his suspect behaviour) then that same "invisibility" will not extend to every other potential scumbuddy here.

This is lazy, lazy, scummy, scummy posting by you Hiraki.
I am disappoint.

I've seen this done, it's possible. You don't have to ask questions to get reads.

Explained as a misrep, however, what he meant was also scummy, so idk.

What... does nintendo's mysteriousness have to do with Hiraki's play? The invisibility Hiraki has is from his own, consistently scummy play.

[Whiskers]

Wasn't that the main reason we lynched Nin? I thought that's why we lynched Nin.

[Whiskers]

I don't know... there's another game that we share where I think he

is

scum, I don't feel it here.

I suppose I should be happy at any opportunity to lynch him-- that said, I'd like a perfect town win-- still fully within our grasp (unless Rainbow is scum).

I s'pose I shouldn't be worried about that.

Who were the other players you said were independantly scummy, but you didn't want to lynch one? did you already say? .__.

Other than that, yeah, Firned/ Hiraki. I'd also like an NS lynch., but w/e. We can wait it.

[Whiskers]

Oh no, no no no, I want Friend Maresil lynched. I've seen

nothing

good from her.

I'm saying, yeah, Hiraki looks bad, but he looks

consistently

bad in all the games I've seen or played with him in.

[Whiskers]

I'm voting both of them?

Mostly, I'm sheeping you. I don't think Hikari is town, necessarily, but I am far less confident that he is scum than you are. I think the scumtells on him are his general, regular play.

Remember Mister Albert? it's kind of like that.

[Whiskers]

((In response to 665:))
...Kay.

I'm not really feeling it, but as good shape as we're in, with Scum on Day 1, and scum (in Friend Maresil), It's not going to hurt us to lynch Hiraki.
___

Um, I don't

have

and ideal double-lynch. Not right now. I'd confidently lynch Friend Maresil and that's it, but now is a good enough time to use the double lynch that I won't fight you on it.
Here's what I THINK you want, though you won't come out and say it: I think Hiraki "is town."

[Whiskers]

Since my #426, in which I made sort of a half-ass'd case and asked you questions, you've had a good 10 days to answer them. You posted later that day, here:

@dash - if i had one vote it would most likely go to Avox. (this is at the time in which the vote was casted) at this current time i would say whiskers. nothing is sitting well with what she's saying.

side note how do you multi-quote a single post? im used to a different BBC code and i cant seem to make it work like it want it to.

Learning how to make a case? Just so you know, you can also copy+paste quotes.

Friend - who would your vote go to NOW? Why are you beating around the bush?

You multiquote by clicking the Q+ button for all the quotes you want, then hit "quote" on the final post you want to quote. They should all appear neatly lined up for you.

im voting whiskers now. dash seems to have gotten what i said wrong.

That's nice. Fluff, but I'll spin it as "clearing something up." That's your freebie.

ok sweet now i have something to go off of. from what ive gathered so far it seems i will most likely be lynched today. which is fine just so long as Dash is right up with me. i dont trust you dash. how can you not make a case until tomorrow? if i had to call a scum team it would be Dash for her interactions with alara yesterday, and also for unvoting me when my lynch is what she's actually pushing for, Voidedmafia cuz of his defense of dash in twilight (it wasnt necessary), and cuz of how quickly he jumped on my wagon. those are my two top picks.

Ohohoho, trolololol. Rainbowdash because she's leading the town, and she's doing it well. Also, not fosing your scumpartner (unless VM...? Yeah, I could buy that-- a

secondary

scum-read). IDR why she unvoted you, IIRC it's because she didn't want you hammered yet, since the Day is still young.

yes you did. true i said the same thing but i also had a reason. Dash seems to have all the ammo she needs to make one so i dont understand how she cant.

Buuuuuuuuullshit.

But more importantly, Rainbowdash

DID

make her case the next day. You've yet to make a case, little filly.

i know there are tons of questions directed towards me, but seeing as i know im gonna be lynched its kinda mute answering them. i mean ive gone back and read my posts, and shit id vote me too. ive dug waaaayyyyyy too deep of a hole for me to climb out of it. but heres the grand question i wanna ask: if i flip town then who would you think scum is?

"Well, I have some reads that might help town, but since I'm gonna be lynched, I won't tell you them."
"I've done a bad job and shit, I'd vote me too." <-- Why haven't you done so? Nopony else answer this, I want Maresil's response.
"If I flip town, who is scum?" First thing wrong with this quote, is that you're trying to move suspicion off of yourself. The second part is, that

you're

supposed to tell us who scum is-- prefferably, if not by giving us your own damn reads, by

answering our questions

which you

already said earlier in the post

that you

won't do.

give me a lil time to build my statement, and get a cup of joe and ill address everything before my lynch. tho before i do i have a few things to point out....

1)im a HE!!!!! i even changed my avvy to remove the confusion.
2)its spelled Mairsil. i mean its only shown right there at the top left of everyone of my posts. if you cant spell it, then just go with FM or friend.
3)no one can know for sure what i am besides scum.

....so again. be expecting a pretty big post from me in the next hr or so.

I don't know what you are for sure-- besides scum.

I'll be waiting, just like I've been waiting since you last post.
And then I'll keep waiting after your next stall post.
But I expect it to be good.

This was nearly an hour ago. I'm still waiting, Friend

Maresil

.

[Whiskers]

11:30-2:34. Three hours.

You almost started there, Maresil?

[Whiskers]

give me a lil time to build my statement, and get a cup of joe and ill address everything before my lynch. tho before i do i have a few things to point out....

*snip*

....so again. be expecting a pretty big post from me in the next hr or so.

Nearly Nine hours. Is that enough? Are you back from Pony Joe's yet?


Rainbowdash: Hey, hey, I remember why

I

voted Nintendo-- not why you did. I want to point out, though, that I wasn't so confident about him flipping scum, it was more about fighting against there being a strong town leader. Nin needs to learn to follow before he will be able to effectively rebel. I hadbeen defending Nin earlier in the day, and gave little to no explanation as to why I 180'd on him. I was annoyed at him being antitown.

You want Hiraki lynched as scum. I want Hiraki lynched just because-- that's a meta\out-of-game reason. Hiraki is like this in all games, he always looks like this, I don't think he's scum because of it. I want him lynched because of it, but I don't think his scummy playstyle makes him scum.

I want Friend Maresil lynched as scum. I don't remember why

you

want Friend Maresil lynched-- but this one I'm pretty confident of flipping scum.

The other player I'd lynch is Nopony Special, but since I'm

happy

with both of the lynch candidates, I'm happy to sheep you. I don't know that Hiraki is

not

scum, but I think that Hiraki is [not scum for his playstyle].

[Whiskers]

Think the big thing that is keeping me from actually pulling the wagon off of Friend here is that even if I have my Hiraki read right, Friend eats the lynch before at least four other ponies off the top of my head. So in the offchance that im wrong on Hiraki, Friend snaps back into good lynch category. Either way im going to have to write some mini-essay about what to do on different flips and actually back up my town reads. Just had an experience where town started to turn on one after I died, luckily somepony was able to get them back on the right track, but im not going to let that go down again. If I hit scum today there is no freaking way I get as lucky as I was last night again.

So yeah.

What does this mean? I don't get it. If your read on Hiraki is right, Maresil snaps back to... um? Or, no, no, no, wait. If your read on Hiraki is

wrong

, then Maresil becoms a good lynch again... but--



We're lynching them

together

anyway, so it doesn't matter if Friend Maresil has become a good lynch again or whatever, since she'll

also

be lynched.

M I RITE?

[Whiskers]

See, now I want to see what he'd do.

[Whiskers]

Because she's a dumbfuck that we will lynch the shit out of tomorrow.

HEY CHRISTINE: READ THE FUCKING GAME.

Blacklisted. Hey-- Hey-- "IT HAPPENS."

tl;dr: tomorrow we lynch Friend and Christine (unless, of course, some miraculous slip), and if somehow Christine flips scum but Friend doesn't, I vote for Rainbowdash.

[Whiskers]

I am so mad.

Actually, I will vote for Rainbowdash and Voidedmafia:
#Rainbowdash has had Christine as a "town, but, but, I don't know hwy, I'm just

feeling

it" -- well, I haven't been

feeling

it at all, much less so now. Inexplicable, but STRONG town read? Hmm, nah.
#Voidedmafia simply because he allowed the hammer to occur. Keep them BOTH at the same number of votes. I actually thought I had been voting... But I thought I had been voting one but not the other, and since the votes were even, I kept my second vote on... wherever, rather than making the votes uneven. In short, my case for VM here is that Mafia with daytalk could have planned this. With Christine as a STRONG town read for Rainbowdash for no reason, her hammering "innocently" would probably just give her more towncred from RD.

[Whiskers]

Voided was already voting for Friend Maresil. So he couldn't have put Friend at L-1 too. It was the same problem I had, I just handled it correctly, whereas VM handled it scummily.

So you think Rainbow is scummier than Friend?

No, actually,

tl;dr: tomorrow we lynch Friend and Christine (unless, of course, some miraculous slip), and if somehow Christine flips scum but Friend doesn't, I vote for Rainbowdash.

after

that, if Christine flips scum, my votes will be on Rainbowdash and VM.

[Whiskers]

VM: Fair enough. I figured out what your argument was going to be before I read it-- You'd rather kill two townies than have your partner hammer one townie, or hope a stoopid townie would hammer another townie. Got it. I retract my attack.

Rainbowdash: I didn't really know who Alarna was. I edidn't remember her at that point, but I do remember somepony saying we should lynch her, shortly before Day 1 ended. I might have killed her thinking she was a doc--

Wait, no, mountainous. Yeah, I don't think I'd have targetted her. Might have targetted you though-- Idr your reads on Day 1, was I town or scum?
Doesn't matter. Looking at the candidates, I might have killed her-- she was the least suspicious -- most lurky -- of the players (who didn't have me as town).

this is all iirc, of course.

[Whiskers]

Ding.

Vote: Christine
Vote: Whiskers

Robotnick2, unless your case is damn compelling, can we get all of our votes in the right place?

Actually, nevermind:

Unvote.
Unvote.

Why rush a lynch?
But seriously, let's get all of our candidates voted for evely so we don't pull a Christine.

[Whiskers]

sorry i lost internet during the day and wasnt able to get it back before i got paid. truthfully i dont know how im not dead by now. i mean there was a fantasic wagon going on me then bam somehow christine throws in the trash. weird but anywho...i have a question how is it that dash wasnt off'd by scum? one of the strongest players still alive. it doesnt make sense to me. if she was town it would have been in scum best interest to NK her, but no instead AV was killed. this doesnt sit well with me at all.

well anyways im back-ish so ask what you want ill answer anything and everything you put before me.

We'll look into it tomorrow. If you are suspicious of here then make your case here.

Just noting here that both Friend and Christine are L-2. If they're going to be our double lynch for today, which is where everyone seems to be headed, then I just thought everyone might like to know before another lynch gets screwed up.

Whiskers, why did you self-vote?

Because you were fucking stupid and only voted for one of the lynch candidates.

[Whiskers]

No its not.

Nopony Special (1) - Robot
Friend (4) - Robot, Christine, VM, NS
Christine (4) - Christine, VM, NS,

WHISKERS

Whiskers (1) - Whiskers

Somepony unvote.

It might help if you do a full votecount, bro, but more than that, It'll help if you count all the votes that were made.

Friend and Christine are at 3 (L-2 (I think?) ).

If we don't hit scum here, minor fos on RainbowDash and Nopony Special as the scumteam.

[Whiskers]

@Rainbowdash: Fair enough.

[Whiskers]

EBWOP: UNVOTE: Friend Mairsil to keep Christine and him with the same votes.
VOTE: Robotnick2 as a placeholder.

You've got to be shitting me. It's because of you that the votes are uneven in the firstplace.

Now you have a vote on NS and on yourself. Are you proud?
What are you trying to accomplish?

[Whiskers]

Of course.

That said, I am also open to letting scum choose between lurking and incriminating themselves during this Day.
So, no, nevermind. I'm

not

ready for hammering.

[Whiskers]

How do you...? That's like the core mechanic of the game. What did you do that made you forget that you can unvote?

[Whiskers]

For...?

[Whiskers]

Rainbow Dash, I'm not sure othat the game will end with the Double Lynch. I am suggesting things that could be. I am playing they game as though the game not be over when we Double lynch because, if we're wrong and it's not over, Then we still have work to do. Guess what? If I die in the night and I don't tell you my reads because you think it makes me look scummy, You won't know what my rads are.

That'd be okay with you, right? Continuing the game, but missing information.

That said, the not caring about missing information has been pretty constant across the board-- all the games I play with you in, you don't seem to care what most of the players have to say individually.

[Whiskers]

Ouch-- that's just sugar-coating that you don't think I'm town (in ANY of our games) and that you don't like me.

Mine was an insult to your playstyle, is all. You seem to care about the general opinion, but you don't care much about a player's individual reads/opinion.

killerjester, we're lynching Frind Maresil because I think h's scum and there's enough support that we can lynch her. I've had my eye on her since Day 1.
e're lynching Crhistine becauseshe was stoopid and quickhammered-- sorry, because she was negligent and quickhammered. If you think that Christie is scum, but not Friend, by all means, make a case. I have been known to be convincable. But I think that at least one of them will flip scum.

When it's Friend, and not Christine, I'm going to be gunning for your ass.

[Whiskers]

Rather than mislynch a wifom, Wifom wifom.

Who are "the two scummiest players"?

rainbowdash, you still don't have any reason for Christine being a town read. You are... idk, fencesitting? You're like, "oh oh oh, she might not flip scum"-- this makes me think that either you are scum trying to setup an "I told you so" scenario, or that you and christine are scum and are trying to wifom us and defend her.

Which would make Friend Maresil not scum.

Christine, we did not "agree" on anything. I declared that we would be lynching you. You played along, like "a good little townie". If you are not scum, you will fight for yourself. How about a fucking case on Friend Maresil or Robotnick2, who you've chosen for scum (one your lynchpartner, the other bussing?)? Give me your reads and case or something on Rainbowdash.

[Whiskers]

No, he fos's you wants you to be part of he mislynch.

I'm not buying the logic, therefore I'm not voting for you.

robotnick2, why didn't you just unvote the extra and vote for the other doulbe lynch candidate? why did you seek to even the votes by putting your votes in useless places (not on the wagons), or even unvote? But more importantly, [iwhy didn't you vote for teh correct wagons at the beginning of the Day?[/i]

[Whiskers]

Why aren't you voting us, then? Hm? You're essentially leading the town.

Yeah, it does look like that. I knew it did when it happened. Here's what went on: I had a townish read on nintendo. More than that, though, it was spiting the attackers, who were attacking him for something that wasn't scum. Getting hit with a pack of hungry wolves (desparate scum) is a town tell. I changed my read because he went from being attacked for something stupid to just being stubborn. I didn't have him as a scum read, necessarily, either-- I voted him for bing antitown in his behaviour. He;s supposed to blend in with the crowd of townies. I suppose that's wifom though. Maybe he was going for the "stand out" thing, since scum wouldn't do that.

If AV wanted to take the players with him that were scum, don't you think I'd have let him take a scum and kill himself? Not to mention the idea that it would burn the Town's double-lynch for the game, meaning that if they caught two scum later, they'd neer be able to lynch them both at once, allowing them o throw in more wifom and defense and cases and stuff. It was pretty clear that AV planned to suicide lynch one of his foses.

Defended Nintendo because he was being attacked for ignorance, not for scumminess.

Defended by nintendo... idk? I didn't see this. Mybe that's the reason for my town read on him, idk.

Why couldn't both Friend and I be scum together? Doesn't look that hard to me. I buss her hard, get loads of towncred, and coast the rest of the game. Right?
And I can see the nightkills coming from me-- whoever the mafia is, they have a similar killstyle.

Yeah, see, you're having a problem with that read. Not just reads in general.
Please note how Christine is now not getting lynched at all. "What? hammered early? well, obviously an honest mistake,. I'll keep with my previous read on her, of town (For No Reason). Oh, oh, let's lynch these other two!"
Hey, bro, go ahead and base your reads on her previous play. Then, Tell me why you have a town read on her. Like I asked you several times before. If you don't answer this with something more substantial or at the very least more wordy than, "gut,"
I'll vote you both and call it a Day.

[Whiskers]

Why aren't you voting us, then? Hm? You're essentially leading the town.

Not going to break up leaders right now. If I could actually vote for just one player at a time, which I have no freaking clue why we arent allowed to, its just giving scum a higher EV, I would have put a vote on you here.

Sure. Fine. It's odd, since it looks like the others don't care so much.

If AV wanted to take the players with him that were scum, don't you think I'd have let him take a scum and kill himself? Not to mention the idea that it would burn the Town's double-lynch for the game, meaning that if they caught two scum later, they'd neer be able to lynch them both at once, allowing them o throw in more wifom and defense and cases and stuff. It was pretty clear that AV planned to suicide lynch one of his foses.

Yeah I think you would want to not let that happen. If you could delay the lynch of a partner in this game it makes it harder for town to do a good job if they want to double lynch. It would have been terrifying for scum to have to deal with a double lynch when the one going down had their partners pinpointed.

I don't understand this. He had, like, thre players he was willing to take down with him. It'd be pretty easy to pick on of the ones that isn't a scumbuddy and have him double mislynch, or if worst comes to worst, take one of the scum that was going down and suggest he double lynch with them.-- Thereby getting rid of the double lynch and an extra townie.

Defended by nintendo... idk? I didn't see this. Mybe that's the reason for my town read on him, idk.

Dont lie to me. You commented on it even when it happened.

Okay, well, I don't remember it.

Hey, bro, go ahead and base your reads on her previous play. Then, Tell me why you have a town read on her. Like I asked you several times before. If you don't answer this with something more substantial or at the very least more wordy than, "gut,"

Later. I just think that pony is town for some of her early play. It makes more sense.

Cool, "It makes more sense," But you didn't explain any reason for this before. Like I said earlier, I don't know if you're sitting there waiting for her to flip so you can go "I told you so" or if she's really your scum buddy and you are honestly defending her. The fact that the votes are coming off of her makes me think the second, but you could just be framing her.

[Whiskers]

NOPONYSPECIAL VOTERS:

WHY ARE YOU VOTING FOR NOPONY SPECIAL?

Need reads or reason, VM. This isn't fucking RVS.

[Whiskers]

I'll go look.

[Whiskers]

It wasn't until Day 2 that you said confidently he was scum. You

did

mention him offhandedly in several of your Day o1 posts, you

did

vote him with out explanation several times, or just as a "placeholder vote," You

did

unvote him a couple of times with out any good reason listed.

I'll go back and read on from Day 2, but it looks more like weak bussing to me.

[Whiskers]

I'm no longer confident in her being out double lynch either, although I'm still confident that she

should

be. I think her flip will tell me a lot about Rainbowdash. who, if a good enough player, could have bussed a teammate going down hard. With daychat, it would be easy enough for her to tell Nintendo, "don't fight this, it'll give me loads of towncred." Or, "just be stuborn and don't answer my questions. When you fli scum, I'll getloads of towncred."

This mafia daychat bullshit is really freaking me out.

[Whiskers]

The other thing that is odd, is that your case for Nopony Special for being scummy is that he was stubborn about me answering the question, and then his bad case on me afterwards, but now it's just because, "I'm not confident in the Christine lynch."

[Whiskers]

At least you were fairly clear. Better clear than not-redundant.

I still want Christine Lynched. I can handle a Nopony Special lynch. My mind is full of fuck and I can make a couple of scumteams, but I am stuck on Rainbowdash being scum.

I'm actually having a problem with her in another game, so I don't know what to do.

[Whiskers]

No, you said that. I said that I wasn't confident in her lynch-- meaning that I'm not confident she will be lynched. Read what I said.

"I'm no longer confident in her being out double lynch either, although I'm still confident that she

should

be."

[Whiskers]

Not going to break up leaders right now. If I could actually vote for just one player at a time, which I have no freaking clue why we arent allowed to, its just giving scum a higher EV, I would have put a vote on you here.

Sure. Fine. It's odd, since it looks like the others don't care so much.

Well given that a mislynch of a single pony today takes away our ability to ever double lynch, im not letting it happen.

I don't understand this. He had, like, thre players he was willing to take down with him. It'd be pretty easy to pick on of the ones that isn't a scumbuddy and have him double mislynch, or if worst comes to worst, take one of the scum that was going down and suggest he double lynch with them.-- Thereby getting rid of the double lynch and an extra townie.

Ok... this stuff keeps making me second guess you since you entirely miss my point which I really dont get how you are going to miss it as scum. Lets say you are scum with Nintendo, AV says I was X/Y/Z to get lynched with me, X is nintendo, Y is you. There is only one pony that might be safe to lynch. Not allowing the double lynch is the best thing you could do as scum there.

Just the vote on nintendo from Christine feels more like town to me, I mean,

I can see it as scum but it feels scummy.

???

@NS - Why did you move your vote off nintendo day one?

Im reevaluating stuff.

I still want the Friend lynch, but im becoming a little more open on the second one.

Open how? Open to whom?

Whiskers I go back and forth liking for town, then thinking she is scum, then thinking she is town again.

This makes me even more suspicious of you. Have a scum read on me. That's fine. It's wrong, but its notmal. Have a town read on me. It's a little suspicios, but I can handle it while keeping my eye on you. But Do Not have me as lukewarm. You are intentionally putting me in "easy lynch" range, and at any time you'll turn around and say, "I thought Whiskers was scummy from the beginning!"

This is the whole 'inattentive' thing I kept having problems with earlier, Whiskers just seems to go in and out of reading and that is SO not awesome as it really screws with me ability to get reads.

No, you're missing the point. I'm not "going in and out of reading," I'm reading the whole damn thng, I but I'm disagreeing with you. You little bit up there, for example. Nope. The best thing for scum to do, is to lynch X with AVox. Since he's willing to lynch X, Y, or Z with himself, if Y and Z are scum, then obbiously, they should double lynch Avox and X, taking away the town's most dangerous weapon, their double lynch, and two townies as well. Boom. You're wrong.
However, I've noted the fact that you wouldn't risk it.

Christine is just a mess on her own. I am 100% sure that was a botched double hammer no matter WHAT that pony is. So we really need to judge her based on early interactions I think, which are slight town to me. If anypony is actually voting her because of that mixup, reevaluate.

Then you had better make a case. For as to why she's town. Go ISO christine, and explicitly say why each thin is townie and why I should think she's town The only thing that's keeping me from voting for her is that you keep defending her poorly. It looks like an attempt to frame the poor dear. One more, "we need to look at her past interactions!" or "She just

feels

town to me ,look at her play!" And I will lynch you. No. Her Day 1 play was null. Her past interactions were null. You think she's town? prove it.

What else though... ugh... just feel a little lost here and im trying to figure out the differences between what I want to be true, what I think is true and stupid WIFOM. All point me in different directions.

I' not buying it. Link me to a game where you were scum?

[Whiskers]

Also, why does me not understanding something make you feel like I"m more of a town read than before? Too dumb to scum?

[Whiskers]

Why was that scummy, again?

[Whiskers]

I mean, since no Townie would have claimed cop, and it could only have benefitted town when a scum lipped yup, I don't see what was scummy about it,.

[Whiskers]

Of course.

Rainbowdash, link a game where you flaked as scum when put under pressure?

Maybe the replacement will play the game with a little bit more than gut.

[Whiskers]

Okay, I need to talk with GLaDOS and Rainbowdash, because this happened in another game too and I can't fucking

fathom

what could possibly occur that could "have a direct impact of my view of the game" that would make me quit. I can't think of a single god damned

thing,

and now it's happened

twice

and I am as enraged now as I was when it happened the first time.

[Whiskers]

Well, scum have daytalk. If somepony else messaged him and said what role they had, then they should be modkilled, and Rainbowdash could replace out... maybe. Sure, why not? But That couldn't be it-- She says she's talked with the mod, and nopony has been modkilled for outside/unsanctioned communication, so no. I hate being left dangling like this.

[Whiskers]

IF it's not a big deal, then why is Rainbowdash quitting? (rhetorical) That sounds like a pretty big damn deal to me.

[Whiskers]

Kay. Fos Rainbowdash's eventual replacement.

I would settle for a Nopony Special lynch over a Christine lynch, but I won't be happy about it. I will be happy about a Christine lynch. When I went back to read NS's ISO and find out why he had the suspicion on him, I remembered why I was supicious of him, too. Mostly because he thought RD's plan was asinine, when really, it wasn't. Threw out a lot of ad hom and AtE, trying to discredit RD with swearing (iirc). Now he retracts all that bullshit, and I guess that's okay-- He's scummy I guess, but I'd lynch Christine toDay.

[Whiskers]

FRIEND MARESIL, WHO I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO LYNCH SINCE BEFORE YOU FUCKED UP OUR DOUBLE-LYNCH.

-__(\

*facehoof*

[Whiskers]

Then why didn't you ask that?
Instead, you asked for the popular, general opinion.
Just to be safe.

[Whiskers]

That looks an awful lot like a "why me" post.
So, to make it useful to me, Christine! can you link me a game where you were lynched as town?
Alternatively, where you were lynched as scum, but this might not help to clear you.

Also, give me your reads and make a case on your scum. Thanks! ^_^

[Whiskers]

That's fine.

Also, Okay, but most pony's wiki's aren't up to date, or even filled at all.

Just saying what I got from the whole feel of tat post.
Also, you keep mentioning that you're voting for yourself since you agreed to. That's nice, here's your towncred. Actually, I have a little extra, take it too. Now, since either nopony

cares

or thinks you're scum, and since you're not really legally bound by your stupid thing where you say you have to vote for yourself depending on a flip, maybe you could stick out your foses (not vote on them yet, though) and be useful.

Just a thought.

[Whiskers]

Hey there, punk, make a case?

[Whiskers]

Vote count

Voidedmafia
Christine - 1 (Christine)
Robotnick2
killerjester
Friend Mairsil - 2 (Christine, Voidedmafia)
Whiskers
Rainbowdash
Nobody Special - 1 (Voidedmafia)

Not voting - Friend Marisil, Whiskers, Rainbowdash, Nobody Special, killerjester, Robotnick2


Rainbowdash has requested replacement

Voiding this vote count:

Vote: Friend Maresil.
Vote: Nopony Special.

Had a problem with Maresil from the beginning. Found Nopony Special scummy after Rainbowdash came in. Christine wasn't scummy up until the hammer.

The only thing I'm a little worried about though, is that Christine, if scum, won't scumtell/slip again-- so it's not just a, "Let her get away this time, we'll catch her later" thing.

Christine: move your vote off of yourself and onto Nopony Special.

[Whiskers]

Sorry, make that

before

Rainbowdash replaced in.

Also, AuVox first thing voted KJ and Nintendo. I also recall AuVox vs VoidedMafia being a big thing.

And reading back through Nopony Special's ISO, he was scummy for getting hung up on his question to me and his failure to produce a big, grandiose, fantastic case on me afterward.

Unvote: Nopony Special.
Vote: KillerJester.

Why haven't I seen this guy for a while?

[Whiskers]

Why? Keep your scumpartner active? Maybe she's just a really really

really

bad VI. But why replace her when she's going to be lynched?

[Whiskers]

"FM is town because of the Christine wagon that just died out.
Vote Christine"

You missed something here, but luckily I filled in the blanks.

FM's been scum since the game began. Christine

might

be scum, but after rereading her ISO, meh.

Why aren't you scum, KJ? What have you done to aid us?

[Whiskers]

Cool beans. Now why aren't you scum?

I want Maresil lynched before we find a replacement because she was supposed to be lynched with Hiraki yesterDay, and the only reason we were lynching Christine at all was because she's the one who fucked that up.
Why are

you

lynching Christine, KJ? Because that's what the wagon on her was for. The wagon that is now dying. If you don't think we should by lynching Friend Maresil, then you support what FM did, right?

Forget my "why aren;t you scum" question. Answer these.

[Whiskers]

Sorry, EBWOP;
If you don't think Friend Maresil is scum, then you support what Christine did, right?

Christine is scum for not hammering somepony you think is town??

[Whiskers]

She doesn't get

my

townpoints because I wasn't convinced Hiraki was scum, but was that FM was. She hammered on the townie, not the mafia. So no, no townpoints.

[Whiskers]

I was never worried bout the scumteam. If we can just fucking lynch a scum, we can look at both of our flips and come back later and say, "Oh, this player fits."

Bascially, I just want to catch one more scum.

I guided Christine onto the NS lynch because it was before I ISO'd him and you. NS looks scummy for being stoopid, but I'm not really all that suspicious of him. Oh, and because I was sick of Christine's emo cries of, "Oh man, we

agreed

that I'd vote myself! Can we lynch scum instead, though?? Wah, wah wah!"

[Whiskers]

Rainbowdash was pretty confident that toDay was our last Day to use our double-lynch.

I've got to ask: you think our double-lynch should be used to catch a scum-team, and not to minesweep for scum?

[Whiskers]

Because Rainbowdash said so. If it's not, then whatever, but I rather use it than not. More importantly,

Do you really think our double-lynch should be used to catch a scum-team, and not to minesweep for scum?

[Whiskers]

Right, but you're saying, "WELL GEE, I CAN'T SEE THEM AS A SCUMTEAM, WE'D BETTER NOT LYNCH BOTH."
While I am saying, "Both of them

might

be scum. I'm not sure which one-- probably not both. We should lynch them both, and look at their flips."

[Whiskers]

No, we lose doublevotes at LYLO, not MyLo.

Mislynch now: MyLo.

Mylo where you double-lynch is the same as Lylo where you single lynch.

[Whiskers]

Which may actually mean that we keep our DL in MyLo, since we'd lose it in lylo, and therefore have to make a single lynch (the same as a double lynch in MyLo).

@Mod: Do we keep our Double Lynch in MyLo?

Nopony Special, I can't say how, but that reaction to my post looks really scummy. Call it gut (and I have indigestion), but That Looks Bad to me.

[Whiskers]

Is Friend Maresil just a really bad noob? Or is she caught scum?

Friend, why aren't you voting? Especially if you fos two players-- you've got two votes.

Go play a newbie game, okay?

[Whiskers]

Yes.

[Whiskers]

Vote count

Voidedmafia - 1 (killerjester)
Christine - 2 (Nobody Special, killerjester)
Robotnick2
killerjester - 1 (Whiskers)
Friend Mairsil - 3 (Voidedmafia, Nobody Special, Whiskers)
Whiskers
Rainbowdash - 1 (Christine)
Nobody Special - 2 (Voidedmafia, Christine)

Not voting - Friend Mairsil, Rainbowdash, Robotnick2

Friend Marisil is -2

Still looking for a replacement. Am going to get the word out to people who owe me replacements/plain ol' nice people.

Editted to reflect recent changes.

[Whiskers]

Fair enough.

"bvoigt - 1 (Christine)"

Ah, I see you've found a replacement.

bvoigt, you read the game yet?

[Whiskers]

Mod: Requesting Deadline and prods.

[Whiskers]

Yes, We should use our Double Lynch.

There, I've decided.

[Whiskers]

Christine, do

you

think KJ is scum?

[Whiskers]

Prodget. I prefer that FM/NS not be our double-lynch because I don't see them as a probable scumteam. If you guys are serious about lynching FM, who else would you consider?

We should only lynch scumteams, not scan the area for possible scum? What about either/or players? Like, what if I say, "I think that EITHER Friend Maresil, OR Nopony Special is scum."? What if I say that?

[Whiskers]

Except the part where if we look for connections that aren't really there, and fuck and lynch two townies, which is more likely than it is that we lynch two mafia.
I'd rather PROBABLY lynch one scum and one town than POSSIBLY lynch two scum. If we lynch One scum toDay, it will be easier to find the other toMorrow.

[Whiskers]

idfk.

[Whiskers]

Or, we could lynch scum. One? Two?

Friend, I push for it today because today is

THE LAST POSSIBLE DAY

to use it. If we don't use it today, we don't use it at all.

You're okay with that? Even if you are a townie, you'd rather we lynch a townie and go, tomorrow, into Mylo, than maybe lynch one townie and one scum today and Not go into Mylo?
Worst case scenario, we hit two townies and are in Lylo.

Friend Maresil, you're against using a Double-Lynch

at all?

[Whiskers]

You literally just said lynching one scum today would make finding the partner easier tomorrow. How can you have no idea?

I haven't yet gone a-caroling.

[Whiskers]

(from the bottom)
Nice of you to fos. Now we just have to analyze if it's an fs of your teammate. (Why bus your last teammate if the day is going to end quickly?)

Then you say, "wifom, wifom, wifom."

And firstly, Early in the game we are more

likely

to double lynch town. Now that there is a more even ratio of town to scum, it is more likely, using MATH, to lynch scum.

That said, using probability is usually a scumtell. Is it okay to use probability in this way?
Here's the math, jsyk:
9 players (3 mafia). Lynch two:
3 out of 9 times, you will lynch at least one scum (right? I'm not using real math.)

8 players (2 mafia). Lynch two:
Nevermind. Probability using random lynches says that double lynching is a bad Idea.


However, I still wish to do it.

[Whiskers]

Christine and FM are both L-2

And if you're using math, you have a 52.4% chance to hit at least one scum using a random double-lynch. Take it how you will, but I know at the very least my votes are not random in the slightest.

When? I mean, at what point is there a 52.4% to hit one scum? At Game Start, or now?

Either way, Yeah, votes aren't random. I guess that's why using MATH is scummy.

[Whiskers]

So, who are you picking for scum?

[Whiskers]

Okay. Mine are christine and FM, but I"m also wary of our lurkers.

Do Christine and VM make a scumteam? I mean-- wasn't it you saying that we should only lynch viable scumteams?

[Whiskers]

Whiskers, mind evening it up?

I want to vote for FM, but I don't want him so close to a lynch if we are doing a double lynch today...

Gah. This is just becoming annoying. Are we going to double lynch or no?!

In the rules it says that he will set a deadline if it takes too long, but right now, there is no deadline.

Look, I will shift my vote to FM gladly if we are going to not use our Double Lynch, but no one has really decided one way or the other.

Sounds good to me. Obviously FM is one of them. Who will the other be? You seem to have your heart set on KJ, but my suspicions are still on NS. If you really wanna push for KJ lynch then I am fine with it.

To be honest, I don't really. I think NS is scummier, but that opinion really has happened in the past day. However you seem to be dead set on KJ. You called it on FM being scum so I am willing to trust your judgement. My problem is, I can't decide on who would be his scum buddy.

Do you see buddying between FM and KJ?


This post brought to you from the commisarry line!

Oh Lord. This is becoming a mess.


Let's run this down a little bit. Enough people have said they don't see an FM NS Mafia team... What about an FM Voided Mafia team?

Well, for one thing, you're being

suuuper-cautious

not to turn any of us off or give yourself away. Your posts have become super short, and are all about, "Oh, well, gee, I don't know, but, maybe,

maybe

do you think that this might possibly be something that you are considering?" You're buddying me, practically beggin for towncred.

Idk why you decided that I was "dead set" on a kj lynch. I made a poor case against him, that's all. The only motivation I can see is that you slipped it in there on purpose-- which would be a scum motivation, strengthening my read against kj, or, more importantly, taking yours off the table entirely.

So, Christine, how

about

a FM / VM scumteam? Also, do

you

see buddying between FM and KJ?

Maybe you should make a

case,

and

convince me

that there is another, better candidate for scum.

[Whiskers]

Hey, bro, go ahead and base your reads on her previous play. Then, Tell me why you have a town read on her. Like I asked you several times before. If you don't answer this with something more substantial or at the very least more wordy than, "gut,"

Later. I just think that pony is town for some of her early play. It makes more sense.

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK YOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!

[Whiskers]

Then unvote her, dumbass. We've been through this once already. Instead of fucking us all an you and your scumpartner passing it off as, "Oh man, I"m so sorry, I didn't read the votecount posted two posts above mine, as I was reading through" when you hammer. Okay? Thanks.

[Whiskers]

@AV , cuz both of you are playing the same game. for lack of a better way of saying it. in my experience when people get into the type of argument you and NIN did one tends to be scum. i voted whiskers because she was defending NIN. now if either of you flip scum, then i know exactly who im going after tomorrow. if neither of you flip scum then again i know who im gonna go after.

so i guess to answer your question a bit better, yes im useless today. tomorrow when more information is revealed will be the day that i can play with some certainty

Long before nin flipped scum.
Why is FM

not

mafia?

[Whiskers]

There's an interesting exchange on page 15 from #353 through #357. Friend, Christine, Whiskers, and Voided talk about the likelihood of there being a cop in the game, and none of them seem to be aware that this is a vanilla game. Friend in particular is pretty sure we have a cop in the game. This is a towntell because scum generally have more need to be aware of the setup, and they will talk about it at the beginning of the game (since, in this case, they have daytalk). 3 heads are more likely to know the setup than 1.

UNVOTE: Christine and Whiskers

This is so bad. Are you always a bad player? I need to do some research on you.

Look. BECAUSE scum have Daytalk, it would be TOTALLY EASY for, (forexample,) Rainbowdash to say, "Hey, look some town idiots on't know the setup. How about you guys act like you don't either and I'll give you all massive towncred for it?"

Even if that's not the case, what keeps a scum player from intentionally dropping towntells??

[Whiskers]

Voidedmafia - 1 (killerjester)
Christine - 2 (killerjester, Nobody Special)
Robotnick2
killerjester - 1 (Whiskers)
Friend Mairsil - 3 (Voidedmafia, Whiskers, Nobody Special)
Whiskers
bvoigt - 1 (Christine)
Nobody Special - 2 (Voidedmafia, Christine)

Not voting - Friend Mairsil, bvoigt, Robotnick2

Friend Marisil is -2

VOTE : WHISKERS & CHRISTINE

VOTE: Robotnick2
VOTE: killerjester

UNVOTE bvoigt. VOTE FM

[Whiskers]

Voidedmafia - 1 (killerjester)
Christine - 3 (killerjester, Nobody Special, Friend Mairsil)
Robotnick2 - 1 (bvoigt)
killerjester - 2 (Whiskers, bvoigt)
Friend Mairsil - 4 (Voidedmafia, Whiskers, Nobody Special, Christine)
Whiskers - 1 (Friend Mairsil)
bvoigt
Nobody Special - 2 (Voidedmafia, Christine)

Not voting - bvoigt, Robotnick2

Friend Marisil is -2

YOU MUS TTELL US HOW MANY IT TAKES TO LYNCH *cry* TT_______TT

[Whiskers]

Voidedmafia - 1 (killerjester)
Christine - 3 (killerjester, Nobody Special, Friend Mairsil)
Robotnick2 - 1 (bvoigt)
killerjester - 2 (Whiskers, bvoigt)
Friend Mairsil - 4 (Voidedmafia, Whiskers, Nobody Special, Christine)
Whiskers - 1 (Friend Mairsil)
bvoigt
Nobody Special - 2 (Voidedmafia, Christine)

Not voting - bvoigt, Robotnick2

Friend Marisil is -2

YOU MUS TTELL US HOW MANY IT TAKES TO LYNCH *cry* TT_______TT

[Whiskers]

WITH EIGHT VOTES IN PLAY, IT TAKES FIVE VOTES "TO LYNCH."
FRIEND IS AT L-1.

Unvote, Unvote.

But now she is at L-2, along with Christine.

[Whiskers]

WITH EIGHT VOTES IN PLAY, IT TAKES FIVE VOTES "TO LYNCH."
FRIEND IS AT L-1.

Unvote, Unvote.

But now she is at L-2, along with Christine.

lrn2math

Vote count

Voidedmafia - 1 (killerjester)
Christine - 3 (killerjester, Nobody Special, Friend Mairsil)
Robotnick2 - 1 (bvoigt)
killerjester - 1 (bvoigt)
Friend Mairsil - 3 (Voidedmafia, Nobody Special, Christine)
Whiskers - 1 (Friend Mairsil)
bvoigt
Nobody Special - 2 (Voidedmafia, Christine)

Not voting - Robotnick2, Whiskers

Friend Marisil is -2
Christine is -2

U MAD, NOPONY?

[Whiskers]

I will hammer these two, if we get them at L-1. I will not put them at L-1 and wait for somepony else to mislynch.

[Whiskers]

The problem is that I have all of you as scum or null reads.
Null reads are often good scum.
Scum reads are often town.
Idfk.
I'm sticking with Friend Maresil, and if she's just a bad townie then she'll learn.

[Whiskers]

Nopony Special was scummy for a while-- that's this game, right? -- because he asked me that question and made a big production of it when I didn't answer. Since my ISO of him, that's all I have, he's probably my towniest read right now.
Christine was originally just for the fuckhammer, but then during this Day she's been super submissive and the whole, "look how much I'm being a good townie!" thing just curls my tail.

[Whiskers]

Well, I know I keep mixing it up with another game that I think you're

not

scummy in, so I want to make sure I have them straight. I actually wrote you as a scumread in that game at somepoint, because of your actions in this game.

[Whiskers]

^Just to clear up, I don't think you're

suuuper

scummy in this game anymore, either.

[Whiskers]

See this? This is me not caring what you think.

hahaha


@cristine - thats why theres normally a cop in the game to avoid situations like that

Doesn't say there is a cop in this game, but it's implied in her next one. Still, FM is a bona fide n00b. She doesn't put much thought into the game, saying things like, "since I will be lynched I should no longer try to help my faction" and "there is a probably a cop." Paying attention isn't really a towntell, and is

especially

not a towntell in a newbie.

Why yes, yes there is, Friend. In the meantime, I will be voting for both.

Agrees that tehre is often a cop. Doesn't say there is a cop in this game.

Hey, Filly Maresil. We don't definitely have a cop.

Why is Nopony Special not caring what I have to say funny?

I am obviously a gigantic dumbass. Now, as much as I'd like to take all this free towncred you're giving away, I'm afraid I can't, because why couldn't Friend Maresil or Christine or VoidedMafia? None of us have flipped, and you're giving us a bunch of towncred for "not paying attention"... Idk, but it doesn't seem right to me.

its more how he said it. and while we might not have one. the odds of us having one is way higher. i mean have you ever played a game without one in it, or a way to compensate for not having one? i bet even if you have they tend to be very far spaced apart.

Again, doesn't exactly say she thinks there is one, but says there usually is one. More likely is that she's trying to setup a fakeclaim later? Then again, she's a newbie, so maybe not.

its more how he said it. and while we might not have one. the odds of us having one is way higher. i mean have you ever played a game without one in it, or a way to compensate for not having one? i bet even if you have they tend to be very far spaced apart.

Meh, non-cop games can be rather common. Granted, they are more the exception, but they're not as rare as you're making them out to be.

Big long VM post about how some stuff did something. He ALSO doesn't say this game has a cop in it, just that no-cop games aren't super rare.


This really isn't such a strong towntell that you can pick out the scum from PoE.

[Whiskers]

Okay, well, it's not strong enough you can to a total PoE of these players and say, "Well, obviously, only the players who were diligent enough to read the first page are scum."

[Whiskers]

The players who did not read the first page =/= town

Fixed this for you.

[Whiskers]

Why did you feel this method of PoE towntell was more effective than reading the players?

You mean the two people I'm voting right now? You're right, I should analyze you guys further, but I still haven't read the entire thread.

Here's your personal invitation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ezjtppj7Gkw

[Whiskers]

FM is either a saddle-sore noob townie or a caught scum. She won't be contributing anything useful anytime soon. Or ever, for that matter.

idk where Robotnick2 is.

[Whiskers]

Mm. Okay then.

In that case, get your favorite scum, and make a case on them? ISO if need be.

Do. Something.

[Whiskers]

And I will post a case when I'm less tired.

I am going to hold you to this and you won't get away with not doing this before the end of this Day.

[Whiskers]

No, sorry, I meant "ever" this game.

On the other hand, there is hardly any resistance (open resistance, anyway, hmmm....) to her wagon.

[Whiskers]

Yes, it occurred to me.

Does that mean that FM is just a very, very, very, berry, very, extremely, incredibly, unforgivably, unreasonably, jaw-droppingly, where-am-I-and-what-have-they-done-to-my-drapes bad Noob?

[Whiskers]

KJ, will you lynch Christine? I'm kind of on-off about understanding/remembering where this game is and what stances you all have.

[Whiskers]

That would be great, but we don't have a

DEADLINE

, so there's no incentive for any player to do any damn thing.

[Whiskers]

Idk, Nopony Special for a while, but I'm considering just replacing out. May as well let this game die. Christine, Killerjester, let's go and have our

own

game

over there,

shall we? As THE active players, I don't see why we can't just, idk, lynch lurkers. If scum is in the lurkers, then there will be no Nightkill. If scum is not in the lurkers, then the active town will get picked off until there's 1 scum and Five lurkers-- oh wait, then the game would REALLY die, since it takes more than 1 to lynch and never any deadline.


Voidedmafia - inactive
Christine - semi-active
Robotnick2 - inactive
killerjester - semi-active
Friend Mairsil - inactive
Whiskers - semi-active (in this game, at least)
bvoigt - barely active-- I remember him posting at somepoint.
Nobody Special - barely active.

[Whiskers]

kj, can you link me to the case on VM? I don't really care anymore, who we lynch.

[Whiskers]

Cool beans, that.

UNVOTE: all
VOTE: robotnick2 & ...fff, idk, bvoigt, as a placeholder.
Idr how close FM is to being lynched.

[Whiskers]

"almost anyone," but willing to lynch yourself.

Whom are you

not

willing to lynch?