Open 326: Pick Your Poison (Ende des Speils!)

[thunderwielder]

Everyone seems so opportunistic on lynching MrTrow and/or I, amazing, no?

How is this opportunistic? Trow was roleblocked night one, and you've been scummy since you replaced in.
I don't think anyone's jumped on you for incorrect reasons, certainly.
If they have, point them out. State more cases.
I do agree that the Mist point is very weak, though. Hoppster not really doing any scum hunting besides protecting Mr. Trow. The slip point is over and done with, it's time to move on and not harp on things that aren't really the issue.

@Trow

You've been playing reactively. Nothing in your iso makes me think you are town.

This pretty much sums it up.

You don't offer your opinions unless pressured, and when you did offer your opinions, they were very singular and on larger suspects.
Also, the wording used with "how do you know I'm not the roleblocker." Are off to me, and seem scummy--yes that started my investigation on you, but not only into the slip.
You also have focused primarily on the "slip", and used that as a case for me to be scum--which is just transparent OMGUS. We've already established that creating a case against someone does not make them scummy--or Hoppster would be scummy for his Mothrax tunnelling. You haven't responded in it in a way that's - hey, you're actually mistaken, but that's come out as "hey, you shouldn't be making this case, it's stupid, you must be scum!" Which are hardly the same thing.
All these, plus our Night One, leads me to believe that you are scum, and makes me certain that you're our lynch for today.

[Amrun]

vote: mrtrow

I'm bored.

[thunderwielder]

yeah, there's no way I'm going to change my mind by Friday. There's just too much evidence not to vote.

VOTE: Mr.Trow

Your two partners can go ahead and bus you now.
I'm getting bored with this game too.

[MrTrow]

AMRUN IF YOU SEE THIS AND ARE TOWN: UNVOTE and read

putting your vote back up if you don`t like is fine.(well sort of but you get the point)


guess here comes another addition to the 'reactive' argument against me:

You also have focused primarily on the "slip", and used that as a case for me to be scum--which is just transparent OMGUS. We've already established that creating a case against someone does not make them scummy--or Hoppster would be scummy for his Mothrax tunnelling. You haven't responded in it in a way that's - hey, you're actually mistaken, but that's come out as "hey, you shouldn't be making this case, it's stupid, you must be scum!" Which are hardly the same thing.

- Did hoppster come with arguments, he didn`t believe in? (i don`t think so)
Yes my argument was 'OMGUS':
I believed you didn`t buy your own case. Pushing a case YOU don`t even believe is scummy.
The best part of this: You flat out admitted this.

Mr. Trow, since he isn't the roleblocker, could have made a slip yesterday. That, combined with Quilford's slot finding him suspicious enough to roleblock him twice, and with the other reads I have on everyone, makes me think he's one of the three. PLUS, we DID have a no Kill night one.

1: The counterclaim call was never really serious except for that 1 time you took my problems with yout 1027 attempt as 'not reading at all'.

1) yup

There wasn`t really anything else in there that could be addressed.
But if some shots on those are required (yes reactive i know)
A lot of emphasis on well...... the very reason doc+rb is the popular choice (i wasn`t actively around D1 + it`s some lack of suspicion that is required to be the rb-target here)

Also

I'm getting bored with this game too.

Cool cool cool. I'm happy for conversation. I'm happy that you're not just tunnelling, but you're listening. That's nice for a change (not with you, but with the general population of the town--those that have been lynched, anyway)

bored of the game within 30 hours of a good conversation for a change, yeah right


Now for the mainly defensive ones:

@Trow, looking forward to your Maruchan read, and maybe some views of your own, rather making up ones that don't seem to make sense and jumping on my vote (I'm really sick of people sheeping me without good reason). You said you'll meta him. Is your whole case based upon meta? How much is? Percentage will do again.

Me sheeping you?

Wasn`t my vote on maru for most of day 2?
wasn`t your 'day 2 maru case' mainly present in mine (true the 'lurk to reaction-test' was brought up before)

You don't offer your opinions unless pressured, and when you did offer your opinions, they were very singular and on larger suspects.

True maru was a main target (the biggest wagon) when i finished my reread, but no new stuff and ONLY on larger suspects?

Who pointed out maru was willing to hammer the one who according to his own logic could be the doc?
Who pointed out that robocopter became active TWICE when this was required to save mothrax?

B.T.W thunder: how are you so sure both my partners still have to bus me?

[Quilford]

This game can go to hell.

[Amrun]

Okay, I don't understand what was so important about that wall.

It didn't actually say anything at all except "don't lynch me bro."

It didn't even say who should be lynched instead.

[thunderwielder]

B.T.W thunder: how are you so sure both my partners still have to bus me?

Because Amrun's town.

Me sheeping you?

Yup, because I voted, and then you jumped on it. Ta da.
Before that, your entire "contribution" to a Maruchan case was for quite weak, if not already stated, reasons. Only after the quote you quoted did you start to actually try and provide something. So, yeah, you were sheeping me.

True maru was a main target (the biggest wagon) when i finished my reread, but no new stuff and ONLY on larger suspects?

Two out of your first three posts jumped on to bandwagons. Nuff said.

bored of the game within 30 hours of a good conversation for a change, yeah right

Yeah, right. I think we've hashed out everything we can, and I have all the information I need to be comfortable enough with a vote, so we don't have to hash everything over again. You're scum.

Even this

B.T.W thunder: how are you so sure both my partners still have to bus me?

Is not town motivated. It's meant to discredit me in some shape or form. And it's also meant to sow dissent in the ranks when you're gone--so people say "Oh, he said THIS, MAYBE that means Amrun is scum! He probably slipped up!" and then your scum buddies convince someone to vote Amrun, and then they quicklynch to victory.
This is just a scum tactic of someone who's going down and is trying to keep shaking things up so their partners can possibly win. A good strategy, but not one for town.

[thunderwielder]

This game can go to hell.

What are you leaning towards, Quilford? Can you hypo vote for us, if you don't want to lay down an actual vote?

[MrTrow]

Me sheeping you?

Yup, because I voted, and then you jumped on it. Ta da.
Before that, your entire "contribution" to a Maruchan case was for quite weak, if not already stated, reasons. Only after the quote you quoted did you start to actually try and provide something. So, yeah, you were sheeping me.

Spoiler: Your near end of D2 maru-case:

- RQS stuff – holds no water.
- Same with the repeating of Glowball’s phrasing
- The caring vs no-caring debate also has no impact on his alignment (I’m addressing these things, because I think they were used as scum points against Maruchan, and if someone can explain to me WHY, I would appreciate it, because I can’t see anything from them)

as stated empty points

- Post 63 – Takes credit for the discussion that’s happening. Also says the word “town” A LOT in that post. Although, I suppose this could just be a playstyle post, but it does seem a little off.
- I buy his reaction to the two votes on him. I don’t think that’s a scum reaction. It was early in the game, and nobody needed to worry. However, I always want to take the time to quell people’s fears rather than just accept them, because then they’re not wasting their time on me, but can devote it to finding the scum, so I don’t know how I feel about that point either. It DOES seem a little cavalier.
- Now up to post 212… I can’t find too much content in the posts that are happening thus far.
- Oh Maruchan replies to Glowball’s case here. I still don’t see her case. The only point that I feel holds any water could be her last one. Not about not answering questions, but about Maruchan defending more than he is scum hunting.
- I guess it could be understandable that he was defending more than scumhunting, because he was the lead wagon, but I would have liked to see more reaching out, rather than just “back off” behaviour.

as stated, prob playstyle-stuff

- big point (I’m bolding because this list is getting long, and I think this is the most relevant information thus far. Post 329. The “Good you caught me subverting the game=town points for you” thing. I don’t know if I buy it. Especially because that’s when the heat was slowly falling away from him. It’s convenient that he only decided to do this “gambit” when there was distraction leading away from his leading wagon. I don’t quite buy it. This is probably my biggest piece of evidence for Maruchan.

Ok i`ll give you this one

- Nothing to note until post 526. This is an odd post. Maruchan, what did you mean by this post? It has the same feeling as Lane’s PR comment. So that kind of weirds me out.

"if i was a doc "

(i would be doing exactly what this player just did):

trying to be the next 'clumsy town'?

(you even quoted a clumsy-town rather than scum for this)

- few weak 'trying to look town' points (#101 calling thunder town based on the weakest part of his #89,

hey i`m also a clumsy-town @#526

)

- But 527 is a good post against Mothrax.

- And actually, reviewing, his jump to Glowball was something he had already stated the day (real time) before.

pro-maru arguments

- I haven’t even touched his wall of case on Trow. Well, okay, I’ve looked at it, but there’s too much anger in it for me to digest. Actually, okay, no. I agree with Mr. Trow’s fourth point in his list in the first quote under Maruchan’s spoiler. (wow, that’s confusing). And the fifth point, I’m not sure I’m satisfied with Maruchan’s response.

can`t exactly (or even remotely) follow this sentence(as in i can`t track down the locations) but i see you agreeing to my point in a maru case and concluding something from maru`s response to my case

I see exactly 1 argument against maru that didn`t come from me (or at least was noted before) .
So i`m sheeping you, just because you happened to show up before i did the next day? (and still stuck to my read?)

[thunderwielder]

Phone posting. So this is short. ( Just got a new phone, so this is even shorter)
But yes,if I said it then, then I probably meant it. Will post more maybe tonight. Going home for thanksgiving.

[thunderwielder]

Actually, okay here you go This one and [/url]this point[/url] already address why I felt you were sheeping me. You're just trying to re-hash points that I've already brought up, and say I haven't said anything against them. When you quote things of mine, I'm always thinking "wow, that's a whole lot of stuff I wrote that I can't remember writing" and now I realize that's a whole lot of stuff I wrote that's being taken out of context and only filtered subjectively through the eyes of scum in a last ditch effort to save himself. I'm glad how my quotes don't have post numbers or links but yours do. That's a nice touch.

[thunderwielder]

FACK

This is the second one

[Xalxe]

Votecount 4.3: The "My Votecounts Have Purpose Again!" Votecount

MrTrow (2): Amrun, thunderwielder

Not Voting (5): MrTrow, Cephrir, Hoppster, Quilford, Tragedy

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Deadline:

October 14, 4:54am ((expired on 2011-10-14 04:54:00))

Nobody needs to be prodded.

[thunderwielder]

I'm glad how my quotes don't have post numbers or links but yours do. That's a nice touch.

I take it back, didn't realize it was from the same place, because when search through my posts I couldn't find it through CtrlF, because they were hidden in spoilers.
Doesn't negate the fact that I already stated your opinions as weak and how I didn't agree with them and that you were sheeping me at the time, but NOW they suddenly carry weight. Interesting how perspectives change when a head's on the chopping block.

[Cephrir]

So, basically, either MrTrow is scum or Amrun and thunderwielder both are? Gee, let me think about this one.

Vote: MrTrow

Good riddance.

[Hoppster]

VOTE: MrTrow

[Xalxe]

Previously, on “Clusterf**k of a Germany Trip…”

Xalxe’s iPhone 4 rang.

Present day…time…whatever.

Xalxe

answered his phone. “Hello? Who is this? I don’t even have international calling, so how—“

“Silence, fool” a deep voice commanded. “Your words are futile.”

“What—wha—who are you?!?” Xalxe spluttered. Spluttered, lol, that’s such a funny word. Right, on topic.

The voice on the other end of the line chuckled. “My name matters not. In fact, I have none. I am but an agent of the true power.”

“Wait a second,” said Xalxe. A thought had dawned on him. “Is this just a setup for a running theme throughout all the Mafia games I modera—“

“SILENCE FOOL!” the voice bellowed. Xalxe winced and turned the volume down. “My agent has already entered the room where you confined your murderous charges. Perhaps you’d like to take a look outside your window?”

Slowly Xalxe stood up from the bed and walked to the window. He apprehensively drew back the curtains and recoiled in horror.

MrTrow

was dangling outside his window, hanged by the neck.

“How could you do this?” Xalxe asked the phone. Actually, he asked the man on the other end of the phone. ACTUALLY actually, he started to ask this question but stopped as three more bodies were slowly lowered to dangle outside his window like limp ragdolls. Or corpses hanged by the neck until dead. Because that’s what they were, after all.

Where the hell was I going with this again? Oh, right, that.

Xalxe’s face grew hard as he stared into the eyes of

Amrun, Quilford

and

Tragedy

. “You monster,” he rasped. “You’ll pay for this.”

“No, I don’t think I will,” the man chuckled. “Don’t worry, you won’t have to live with the guilt much longer. Goodbye.”

Xalxe was left standing in front of the window, alone but for the four dead corpses (I hate that prase; no such thing as a live corpse after all!). He heard the keycard being swiped in his door. Slowly, he turned around to face them.

One by one they filed in. His nightmares.

Cephrir

.

Hoppster

.

thunderwielder

. They were all here. Behind them stepped a man clad in a khaki trenchcoat and smartly matching fedora.

Xalxe couldn’t see the man’s face, but he was certain the man was smirking as he stepped into the room. He was certain he chuckled softly as he pulled the knife from his belt.

He couldn’t be certain, but he was almost positive the man in the trenchcoat grinned as he slipped the knife between his ribs.

MrTrow,

Vanilla Townie

, Lynched Day 4.
Amrun,

Vanilla Townie

, Hanged by the Man in Trenchcoat Day 4.
Tragedy,

Vanilla Townie

, Hanged by the Man in Trenchcoat Day 4.
Quilford,

Town Roleblocker

, Hanged by the Man in Trenchcoat Day 4.

Xalxe,

Neutral Moderator

, Stabbed by the Man in Trenchcoat Day 4.

Cephrir,

Mafia Goon

, Escaped Germany Night 4
Hoppster,

Mafia Goon

, Escaped Germany Night 4
thunderwielder,

Mafia Goon

, Escaped Germany Night 4

Mafia Win!

[Xalxe]

Night Actions

Night 0:
Mafia give Doctor and Roleblocker to Town

Night 1:
Roleblocker blocks MrTrow
Doctor protects Supreme Overlord
Mafia chooses not to kill

Night 2:
Roleblocker blocks MrTrow
Doctor protects Mist7676
Mafia kill saulres

Night 3:
Roleblocker blocks RoboThor
Mafia kill RoboThor

Night 4:
Mafia escape Germany with Man in Trenchcoat

Moderator Notes

Scum had this very, very well. If they post their scum QT, you’ll see they were very organized and willing to take risks. Only thing that I have to criticize is that Day 4 you guys started to bus each other when you didn’t really need to yet. I was almost expecting you to manage to turn the lynch on one of your own by accident when you had the game in your hands.

I hated the number of replacements I had to find for this; it seemed excessive (to me) for an open. Some in particular just made me sad (looking at you kondi & Mist). Saulres kept sending me his thoughts throughout, which made me lol sometimes.

I would ask that you guys take this survey that I made. It’ll anonymously let me know how I did.

One other thing: there are these things called Scummies, which are awards for great play. If you think anyone in this game deserves one, head over to the thread that I’ve linked and nominate someone (preferable with explaination of why; it makes the judges happy)

[Quilford]

Knew it was Cephrir.

Knew it was thunderwielder, to a certain extent; I actually broke the ongoing games rule by asking Xalxe if he were scum way back in Day 1 -- I never got a response, though, so don't worry :P

Had a solid townread on Hoppster though. Boo.

[Xalxe]

I actually broke the ongoing games rule by asking Xalxe if he were scum way back in Day 1

When? Where? I don't remember this...

[Hoppster]

Scum QT

I'm sure there'll be no objections. We weren't slagging off anybody (to my recollection) or anything like that, so it'll probably be fine.

Had a solid townread on Hoppster though. Boo.

I was trying to come off as lazy-town, and I did suspect that might appeal to your own tendency to be really lazy-town at times.

Night Actions

Night 4:
Mafia escape Germany with Man in Trenchcoat

A+++

Moderator Notes

Scum had this very, very well. If they post their scum QT, you’ll see they were very organized and willing to take risks. Only thing that I have to criticize is that Day 4 you guys started to bus each other when you didn’t really need to yet. I was almost expecting you to manage to turn the lynch on one of your own by accident when you had the game in your hands.

Yeah, I agree with the Day 4 assessment. Probably my fault partially as I did have no clue how to basically go from tunnelling NS/mothrax/DeltaWave to somebody else without seeming horrifically opportunistic so the other two had to put some kind of distance I suppose (although I do think they overdid it slightly).



What would everybody have done with a No Kill Night 3 and then Quilford claiming RoboThor RB Day 4? In the scum QT, you'll see I wanted to do a No Kill to push a RB-target-lynch in mylo and I'm curious as to whether it would have worked or not.


Loved the death pictures Xalxe, and your VCs always looked awesome and really tidy. I know that's a weird thing to comment on, but they did.

[Tragedy]

Meh.

[Hoppster]

Meh.

No congratulatory hugz?

[Tragedy]

Meh.

No congratulatory hugz?

<3
Not right now. You get a hug AFTER that game finishes.

[Hoppster]

CAN'T WAIT!

<3