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Well, Maxwell House is a brand of coffee. That's why.
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imaginality wrote:Unvote
Vote Inspector Godot
because two wagons are better than one.
Do either of you care to give decent explanations for your votes?Litral wrote:vote: Tom
FoS: imaginality
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Unvote: Litral, but the FoS on imaginality remains. Fishing for reactions should be kept to the random voting stage, but as early as this is it's not that bad, since we don't have much to go on yet. Be careful, though.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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The random voting stage, by my definition, ends about the time where we get some serious votes. My vote on Litral was serious as he gave zero explanation for his vote (as opposed to imaginality who actually tried, despite the faulty reasoning behind it).Kenfucius wrote:Disagree with Strangercoug, personally, about whether the fishing is worth an fos, the way Imaginality went about it isn't exactly ideal, but if fishing for reaction is something that's supposed to be kept only to random voting, then we were still there, a decent amount of votes (including those already on Godot) were the randoms, or appeared to be.
Personally, I think that looking for reactions is something that should be done up until we have something solid to look at, that doesn't necessarily make it mutually exclusive from the random stage.
I'm someone who believes in making only one random vote, but more than one random vote by the same person isn't the end of the world.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Tom's vote on Inspector Godot was clearly a joke. It was in the random voting stage, and just because someone was X in Game A does not mean he or she is also X in Game B.
Tom's fine for right now.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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I was referring to the joke vote and have yet to bring up anything about lurking.geraintm wrote:
no, a player avoiding a game whilst posting elsewhere is nto ag odo sign. means they could be avoiding this one for a reasonStrangerCoug wrote:It was in the random voting stage, and just because someone was X in Game A does not mean he or she is also X in Game B.
Tom's fine for right now.
IGMEOY: geraintmfor taking my post out of context.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Would it be clarified if I said that X stood for any role?geraintm wrote:no, you didn't mention the word lurking, but saying one player in in game a and not in game b sounds like lurking to me. sorry if i got mixed up thoughSTRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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I largely agree with this. Being vocal is much better than lurking if you ask me. If you must resort to it, ask questions about what people think.geraintm wrote:agree with ken
lurking not good for town. though my thought is that lurkers often get too much of a free ride in newbie games and the more vocal get the most pressure put on them.
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Oblivion is not an excuse.Wumbo wrote:
Oh, my bad. I wasn't aware there was anything serious going on.You said this and did nothing in terms of serious business. I'm okay hopping on this wagon.
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The random voting stage is over, so from now on your posts should be of substance.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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All right, Wumbo, you're now at L-1. Claim or die.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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If you don't think the bandwagon on you is serious business and you want to live past today, then stop posting nonsense. You're becoming less believable with every post you make.Wumbo wrote:Hmmm. Looks like my death is coming up rather quickly. At any rate I hardly call an absurdly fast bandwagon "serious business" but we do need someone to lynch at the end of the day, I suppose.
Where is this?Wumbo wrote:Also at StrangerCoug: already claimed, Journey style...STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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OK, you're a vanilla townie. But if that's your claim, then you did it at L-5, which is way too early.
If you can adequately defend your vote on Tom at #69, then I'll consider unvoting you, but not before I see it.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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The only thing remotely close to a tiger that I see is Tom. Read the last four letters of my username and guess what should come after it.imaginality wrote:What the tiger said. Why did you claim vanilla townie that soon, when only geraintm and I had voted you at that point?
Don't worry; it's a pretty common mistake by people who don't know me well.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Lynch minus one. That means that, unless somebody unvotes, the next vote on that person kills him or her.Dark wingstalker wrote:I dont have a clue what L-1 means??STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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That was your reason for your vote in the first place!? xPDark wingstalker wrote:
Oh, always wondered what that meant. Well, I wasn't counting when I voted, my mistake.StrangerCoug wrote: Lynch minus one. That means that, unless somebody unvotes, the next vote on that person kills him or her.
I see its at l-1 again, and i'm not 100% sure wumbo is scum, i just wanted to rattle his cage abit, sounvote
Unvote: Wumbo
Vote: Dark wingstalker
This puts Wumbo at L-4, by the way. He was at L-3 before this post.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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The newbie card. Nice.Dark wingstalker wrote:Well, it was 7 to lynch, and i thought mine was the fifth vote. People were voting both Chenhsi and Wumbo, and I thought wumbo looked scummier. I didnt think he was scum, so I thought it would get him to talk more, without having to hang him.
Then i unvoted when i realised that a member of the mafia could hammer his bandwagon easily, Which they didnt do. So if/when you lynch me and i turn up clean, you should look at the people already on Wumbo's bandwagon.
I'd notch it up to forum inexperience, i'm used to play epic mafia, and irc mafia, where its alot easier to keep track of votes. I apolagise, I'll pay more attention in future.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Agreed, and it's been too long in my opinion since I last posted.
I do feel your defending imaginality's case against you is in order, Dark wingstalker, if you're looking for something to talk about.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Um, hello, Dark wingstalker? Did you read my post #126? Litral did not put Wumbo back at L-1. His vote put him at only an L-3.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Well, that too.imaginality wrote:Dark wingstalker,bothnhat (post 111)andgeraintm (post 119) had unvoted Wumbo by then. Taking Wumbo down to L-3. Then Litral voted Wumbo (post 121) taking him back to L-2.Notto L-1. See my timeline in post 133.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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I will tell you from experience that paying attention decreases your odds of getting lynched. This is something I can't really discuss a lot, though.Dark wingstalker wrote:Okay, All up to date with the thread now. I apolagise for being a dumbass, making mistakes everywhere. I have no real reason, i'm just not paying enough attention i guess.
Be careful commenting about your own scumminess.Dark wingstalker wrote:I also sincerly promise to think before i post, And i withdraw my attack on Litral, as it was misguided. Reading the thread, even i admit the scummiest person here is me.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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I made the claim or die comment the post after Dark wingstalker put Wumbo at L-1. I also remember accusing Wumbo of claiming that early myself.maxwellhouse wrote:
wait, what? so you had no idea what "claim or die" meant, yet you accused wumbo of claiming so early? what?! that makes no sense. (i can't find the "claim or die" comment... i swear to god it was there before. where'd it go? =o )dark wingstalker wrote:This is basically what happened, However, I was unawares what constituted "Claim or die", as where I usually play, on another forums, Claim or dies are being thrown around from about 3 to lynch. and when I was informed what L-1 was, it all clicked into place, and I unvoted.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Ouch. Burn!nhat wrote:Is it just me, or is anyone else not buying into Dark wingstalker's oafish antics? He's done jack for town with his meat-headed bumbling, cluttering up the thread with straight garbage. He should have zero excuse for not knowing the vote count, seeing that he has a finished game on this site, so claiming noob is utterly ludicrous. Plus you say that you have experience on other sites, too? You honestly should know better, and nobody wants to hold your hand through this, even though you have cats spoon-feeding you your slip-ups. Get on the ball, man.
I could already say from his posts that he was most likely scummy, but now I think my suspicions are as good as confirmed. I think we've hit the jackpot, ladies and gentlemen.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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You fail to realize the discussion that can pick up after somebody gets a good lead on somebody.Dark wingstalker wrote:I'm not claiming noob, i'm just saying i'm new to the jargon around here, and i'm not massively experienced with forum mafia. Sure i've finished 4-5 games, but skimming over a vote is a mistake based on inexperience.i made ONE mistake.
The more you pay attention, the less likely you will get lynched.Dark wingstalker wrote:I gave wumbo twelve hours to defend himself [Check the post times, it was pretty much exact] and he didnt. I chucked a vote on to get him to talk alittle. I'm prone to skim-reading the less interesting mafia threads, and at the time of my post, the game had just left the random voting stage. Re-reading it, I see that you were the initial attacker on me aswell, Jumping to Wumbo's defence.
This is completely false. Mafia do indeed hammer, and geraintm didn't say (explicitly, anyway) that they never hammer. All I can find him saying about this matter is this:Dark wingstalker wrote:As geraintm said earlier in the thread, Mafia never hammer.
Operative word: "anymore". Meaning he knows they have in the past.geraintm wrote:
hammering and mafia just dones't work anymore. just too obviousDark wingstalker wrote:
Then i unvoted when i realised that a member of the mafia could hammer his bandwagon easily, Which they didnt do. So if/when you lynch me and i turn up clean, you should look at the people already on Wumbo's bandwagon.
I disagree with what geraintm has said here, though. I want both of you to go find a completed game where somebody claimed a power role at L-1, read the page or two after that point, and come back and tell me what you see and why you think you saw what you saw.
Where is this?Dark wingstalker wrote:Interestingly, since i have re-read this thread, eager not to screw up again, I noticed the when you jumped onto wumbo's wagon, You had less reasoning then i did.
This has been brought into question before, and you dodged it with a line as everyone was too busy grilling me.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Heh. That means I misinterpreted you too. But I knew you didn't mean Mafia never hammers anybody, which is why I called Dark wingstalker out for misrepresenting you.geraintm wrote:Dark wingstalker wrote:
I didnt want to make an easy lynch. As geraintm said earlier in the thread, Mafia never hammer.
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This contradicts your saying that Mafia never hammer. You're digging a deeper and deeper hole as you post, and you've gone deeper than Wumbo. I would do something about that if I were you.Dark wingstalker wrote:Thats not how I took it, I merely meant that no mafia would hammer the lynch on Day 1, because on day 2 they would be on the chopping block.
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geraintm clarified that going after whoever throws the hammer vote with the assumption that he or she is scum doesn't work. He is not saying that Mafia never throws down the hammer.Dark wingstalker wrote:How so? I said "mafia never hammer" in much the same way Geraint did. Mafia dont, Because its far too obvious a move. That doesnt mean it never happens, but on Day 1 the mafia would be stupid for pushing the hammer themselves, when they could just target a scapegoat.
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Very well then,Dark wingstalker wrote:
So he never answered.Dark wingstalker wrote:
I didnt want to make an easy lynch. As geraintm said earlier in the thread, Mafia never hammer. Interestingly, since i have re-read this thread, eager not to screw up again, I noticed the when you jumped onto wumbo's wagon, You had less reasoning then i did.Nhat wrote: Certainly Wumbo's inaction after his serious business comment rubbed me the wrong way, and the bandwagon developed from there, but wingstalker, was it really called for to put him at L-1? I played in a game where a townie hammered himself just because, and that was wack. Why risk it? And the "I'm gonna give you 12 hours to respond" ultimatum is lousy for an L-1 vote. In my experience, people who do this can just say that the response was insufficient, knowing good and well that they've decided beforehand to vote for the person. We wanted pressure, you wanted to make an easy lynch.
This has been brought into question before, and you dodged it with a line as everyone was too busy grilling me.
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That was from higher on the page.Dark wingstalker wrote:
Explanations? No sir, the vote on me had an explaination, the others? well, Geraint sums it up well Here.Nhat wrote: Just calling it as I see it. The FoS was to get maxwellhouse talking, and my votes have explanations.
Your starting to look alittle shaky there nhat. You've lurked except for when you've been directly attacking someone. You've done less for the town then I have, Not that thats much of an arguement, as its barely 4 pages out of the random voting stage.
To summarise: I find Nhat suspicious because, His only posts early in the game were decisive attacks on players, then when he saw he had an advantage with me, He pressed the attack and is tearing into me. His initial 2 votes had very little explaination to them, and frankly, I just find him suspicious, in my gut. FOS's Chenshi, chenshi mainly for the way he is dodging questions recently, and wumbo, now the pressure is off him, he has retreated back to a semi-lurk, coming forth to defend himself when you utter his name.unvote: Dark wingstalkerandvote: Nhatuntil he explains this.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Pressure voting a lurker is fine. Lynching a lurker is not.Litral wrote:The explanation why I'm not voting DWS and is happy with voting Mr. Chen is because I find it far more useful, in the long run, to lynch someone who will not participate, since they'll have to be lynched at some point anyway, and relatively, lynching DWS will deny us information. The other reason is that the entire case seems to be a matter of technicality - while DWS did seem to misinterpret and misspeak at times, those misinterpretations are not meant to be malicious or anti-town, and to me, not intentional.
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There's a difference, Litral. If we went after every single lurker and lynched them, scum would win.Litral wrote:You hope to give pressure without the threat of lynching?STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Explain then.Litral wrote:
And there's a huge difference between what you're saying my strategy is and what my strategy really is.StrangerCoug wrote:
There's a difference, Litral. If we went after every single lurker and lynched them, scum would win.Litral wrote:You hope to give pressure without the threat of lynching?STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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OK, I feel Litral has defended himself within reason, so I'llunvotehim.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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imaginality wrote:Do you believe you are currently helping the town to find the scum? If so, how?
Oh come the heck on. Nine pages worth of information and you don't have anything to say about diddly squat?chenhsi wrote:Probably not... although I will say something if I can find something to comment on...
imaginality wrote:Out of the players who've come under attack so far (most notably Wumbo and Dark wingstalker), who do you find most suspicious? And why?
They're somewhat related, but they're not the same to me. The case on Wumbo was that he said he was going into "serious business" and later claimed he "wasn't aware there was anything serious going on." Dark wingstalker, on the other hand, gave a very weak reason for putting Wumbo at L-1 (the lack of a decent defense on his part) and then tried to defend himself with the newbie card. They're both guilty of carelessness, but Dark wingstalker's carelessness almost got Wumbo killed. Wumbo has not bandwagoned anybody to a dangerous point. Therefore, why I think they're different.chenhsi wrote:No idea, they look the same to me.
imaginality wrote:Has anything else anyone has said struck you as odd, questionable, or worth commenting on?
*stares at the first question and its answer and hums the Jeopardy! theme impatiently*chenhsi wrote:Not really, I'll look again and see if I can find anything else though.
imaginality wrote:What would the chances of a town win be if we all adopted your playing style?
I am at a loss for words. I don't have a very good play style either, but I don't know how to take this. I really don't. I believe the answer is legitimate, but is this information we really needed to know?chenhsi wrote:I didn't consider this mean (although I see how you could). The chances? Lower than it could be.
That all said,Vote: chenhsifor failure to present at least a semi-reasonable case on anybody at this point.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Cass wrote:No, Chen, I don't want you to claim. Knowing you have a PR would make this only ten times as frustrating. How about you ask for replacement instead? Someone who'll actually do some work for whichever team (s)he's on. Jeeze.
On the other hand: if you're going to claim, claim doc. Then the scum can kill you if we don't.HoS: Cassfor encouraging not claiming over fakeclaiming over telling the truth. If chenhsi has a power role, let him say what it really is before we consider hammering.
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EBWOP:
I'm unfortunately the kind of person who has to be told and reminded of everything. Your giving post numbers are fine since they're reference points to me.nhat wrote:This is the second time you take action against me when my explanations are plainly there. I let it slide the first time, but two times.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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It would be interesting xDimaginality wrote:@ chenhsi... being a cop does not give you license to contribute absolutely nothing to the discussion safe in the knowledge that if you come under pressure you can claim and avoid being lynched. You could at least have taken advantage of the questions I threw your way instead of pretty much inviting us to wagon you and force you to claim.
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(though it would be so sweet to see a cop counterclaim right now...)
Good question. I also remember Tom suggesting killing Inspector Godot, but nothing else from his posts about him.imaginality wrote:So... okay, there is a deadline fast approaching and I'm not keen to see day 1 end without a lynch.I stand by my suspicions of Dark wingstalker, but after a re-read, I am also highly suspicious of Litral.
Reading Litral's posts, the following things stood out to me:
36. Voted Tom, no reason given
38. After Stranger Coug voted him (post 37), gave a reason for his vote:
If Litral thinks not giving a reason for a vote is suspicious, why didn't he give a reason for his vote? Seems more likely he thought of this as a justification for his vote after the fact.Litral wrote:Because Tom suggested that we kill Godot, and yet he did not put on a vote himself, or give reasons.
Hmm. I have to go back and check this.imaginality wrote:121. votes Wumbo (back up to L-2) because:
Aside from whether this is a good argument, I think it's pretty interesting that he made absolutely no comment on the Dark wingstalker L-1 vote shenanigans, which was breaking news at the time he posted. Instead he tried to keep the Wumbo wagon alive with his vote.Litral wrote:anyone vanilla townie who has claimed is completely useless to the town, and should be lynched, unless there is a far better candidate.
Agreed. Litral seems to have completely withdrawn from actual scumhunting here.imaginality wrote:137. Here Litral unvotes Wumbo and votes chenhsi, saying:
Yet Litral was happy to vote Wumbo in post 121, and Wumbo hadn't posted since then. It seems more likely to me that Litral realised the Wumbo wagon had run out of steam, so he claimed to have changed your views after a careful reread of his posts. (And if heLitral wrote:I get town vibes out of Wumbo's final defenses after careful reading, which is why I don't feel like lynching him any more.istelling the truth, then shouldn't he have read Wumbo's posts carefullybeforevoting him to L-2?)
Interesting catch-22 you bring up. What gets me here, and I don't know whether I'm getting this from you or Litral, is that nothing here mentions the possibility of Litral attempting to bus Dark wingstalker. It may be something the former is afraid to do, but I can't read minds.imaginality wrote:183. Litral drops in to say:
Litral wrote:Although I'm attentive, I'm not going to bother with this discussion.
I find this pretty interesting because it heightens my suspicion thatbothDark wingstalkerandLitral may be scum together. In post 121 Litral ignored the attacks on DWS's vote, in post 137 he only questioned him slightly ("Why the tunnel vision?"), and now he stays clear of the fray completely. I think this makes a lot of sense if DWS is Litral's scum buddy and Litral wants to avoid facing the dilemma of either obviously defending DWS (which could put him under suspicion if DWS is outed as scum later), or adding to the attack him (which at that point could have led to a DWS lynch).
Good point, actually. How does Litral know this if he and DWS are not scum together?imaginality wrote:203. Defends DWS's mistakes as unintentional:
Litral wrote:while DWS did seem to misinterpret and misspeak at times, those misinterpretations are not meant to be malicious or anti-town, and to me, not intentional.
Where is this argument?imaginality wrote:206, 209, 212, 216. Defends his argument that lynching lurkers is a good strategy. Worth noting though, in 216 Litral says:
But he used the same argument to push for a lynch on Wumbo, so it does seem that the lurkiness is the reason for Litral targeting them, not an 'added benefit'.Litral wrote:You're saying my strategy is to lynch every lurker. First of all, it's pretty sad if there are enough lurkers to lynch all the way to endgame, and second of all, I'm saying that we should lynch (or at least vote) chenhsi, who while suspicious (suggesting that there is nothing at all to talk about and nothing questionable at all), has the added benefit for lynching of being a lurker.
Now that you bring it up, something's telling me that Litral is insinuating something. Again, I can't read minds. If Litral flips scum, this would be something good to look at.imaginality wrote:246. Not sure why but this post also seems slightly off, maybe because of its WIFOMish flavour:
Litral wrote:
Not any more they will.Cass wrote:On the other hand: if you're going to claim, claim doc. Then the scum can kill you if we don't.
I've been pushing pretty actively for a Dark wingstalker lynch, too, and I remember mentioning his weak L-1 vote reason and the newbie card. I think his later posts clean up his act a little bit, but I'm still pretty sure he's scum. Right now I'm happy to go with either. If chenhsi gets counterclaimed, I'll consider lynching him too.imaginality wrote:Aside from Litral, I'm also fine with a Dark wingstalker lynch if there's more chance of us agreeing on it by deadline, and I'm open to being persuaded if anyone else wants to make a case against someone else. (Cass, at the moment I'm not convinced that Wumbo is a good lynch, mainly because if I'm right about Litral and Dark wingstalker being scum, it follows that Wumbo is pretty likely to be town.)
You say you're the cop, yet nothing in these 11 pages interests you!?chenhsi wrote:Of course, I do post if I find anything interesting...STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Please don't tell me you're playing the newbie card again.Dark wingstalker wrote:Also, the case on litral?? I dont think it really stands up, but i did attack him somewhat during my bandwagon. While i was being attacked, litral brought wumbo to l-2. I'll fig up the post: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 92#1149292
I dont have a great deal else to say on the matter, He's coming off as scummy, but as i've since been proven to be totally new at this sort of thing, I'm not trusting my gut at the moment.
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Explain your case on each of us.Dark wingstalker wrote:But i also think Cass, Godot, nhat and Coug are scummy, but i dont have a firm conclusion to vote on yet, so i'm not voting.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Dark wingstalker's at L-2 by my count. If Kenfucius gets replaced, the deadline will be extended from Saturday, but he should seriously consider claiming in the near future. (He doesn't have to now—even if the replacement doesn't come in, there's still a little time.)STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Dark wingstalker, Litral, and cass are my top three suspects in that order.Battousai wrote:Hey guys. I'm just about to start the read, but I would like an updated list on the top 3 suspects from everybody if you guys don't mind. It helps me when I replace in on D1's.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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In a mini, not very high. I've been in a game with two one-shot vigilantes, though, and we essentially quicklynched the second one after he claimed (after the first was long dead). We lost—and scum that I never suspected got clean away. My fault for the loss, too.Dark wingstalker wrote:Realistically, how likely is it for there to be two cops??STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Well, Dark wingstalker is at least trying to play. chenhsi, on the other hand, has done nothing to help town and has given very,VERYlittle of his opinion. Cops shouldn't sit watching from the sidelines.
Unvote: Dark wingstalker
Vote: chenhsi
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chenhsi, once you're lynched, you're not supposed to give any game-related information. This mod allows "bah" posts (and you've made quite that post), but post #367 is against the rules.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Where I first played Mafia in cyberspace, you can talk all you want to, dead or not. You just can't kill anybody. (I had aREALLYhard time adjusting to MafiaScum.net because of its radically different play style, but now I can switch from one to the other as if they were languages in which I were bilingual.)STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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I very much want to hear from Maxwell, but I'd still like to go after Dark Wingstalker and Litral.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Well, I'm willing to believe you, since I suspected Dark wingstalker as well. If I've been in a game with two one-shot vigs, then I can believe two cops.
Vote: Dark wingstalker
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Beats me, to be brutally honest. My first guess, however, is that they're hoping that the town thinks the other cop is scum so that they can get an easy lynch.nhat wrote:Odd, if there were two cops, then why would scum take their chances on letting the other cop live?
I suspect a gambit...
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maxwellhouse, I have a question: If you investigated Dark wingstalker and he came back as guilty, then why are you worrying about sanity rather than voting him?
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Nowhere do you mention being paranoid, which is getting a guilty result regardless of who you investigate. I'd mention naïve, but that's impossible given your reported investigation.maxwellhouse wrote:okay, so, i am allowed to investigate myself.
here is what i am worried about investigating myself. maybe it's overworrying? i dunno.
best thing that could happen:
i investigated DWS. he turns up guilty
we lynch DWS today, he turns up guilty.
mafia finds out i'm of normal sanity. not too bad, really. just hope they don't get the doc.
i investigate myself. i come up innocent. kind of wastes a night, but whatever.
rest of the game, hoping doc won't die.
more complicated thing:
i investigated DWS. he turns up guilty
we lynch DWS today, he turns up innocent.
mafia find out i'm insane. they kill someone innocent.
i investigate myself. i come up guilty. waste of a night.
next day, i say i am guilty. people don't know to believe me or not? since DWS claimed and came up innocent and i am saying i'm guilty now, people will think it's convenient that i got nothing new.
day 3- i either get lynched or be able to cop one more night.
so basically, investigating myself will just make one night useless. yeah, i think that's what all of you are saying. =x =x =x =xSTRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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I did not FoS you for not voting while saying you should worry about sanity. I FoS'd you for worrying about sanity and therefore not voting.maxwellhouse wrote:i don't really know. strangercoug, why are you FoS me for not voting and yet saying that i should be worrying about my sanity?
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Why do you say assuming maxwellhouse is really the second cop is dangerous?Inspector Godot wrote:
I don't, I'm working off the dangerous assumption that he is. I understand that it is a bit stupid, but max has given me a pretty pro-town vibe so far.Litral wrote:
How do you know max is confirmed town?Inspector Godot wrote:But if Max is an unhelpful cop he is confirmed town. As long as he keeps posting there is absolutely no way we should lynch him.
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OK, I buy that.
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