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[geraintm]

1st!
7 votes to get rid of a townie!

[geraintm]

Also hi Thomith

Do you have an opinion on sheeping people day 1?

VOTE: dragoneater

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This postnis way too serious

A. WTF did I just read

B. Some nice alignment indicative commentary:

*pokes thread with a stick*

What, do you people have jobs or something?

Somebody vote Kyouko for that smell thing, that was weird, wasn't it?

That way I can defend her and be all "nah that's totally normal, actually"

I'm finding myself not liking this post. Its giving me a weird gut ping that it feels fake but I dont know how to explain it fully.

You mentioned earlier that we were early on in the day, but here you are acting like there is a sense of urgency that feels like a subtle contradiction.

Why are you trying to get other people to vote Kyouko for something that you find weird? Why not lead the charge yourself if you want to get the game moving?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Pavowski

Thomith don't you think maybe you're jumping the gun a bit? Pavowski's post seems a little, teensy tiny bit, blatantly, shitposty.

Second post by HPE that pinged me as scummy

VOTE: HPE

i think shitposting is still just a mask, and can be alignment indicative either way. I dont think there's enough to discern a correct answer with Pavowski at all. I lean town, but wouldnt die on that hill.

ok actually the ones who are all on people for not doing tasks are able to tell because they're not doing tasks themselves
I find this mega-sussy

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Flavor Leaf
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Also these 2 sentiments don't add up.

I'm not on anyone, nor do I plan to be.

VOTE: Flavor

But let's get a Flavor wagon going.

I'm torn between sheeping you and voting scum.

I guess I'll sheep any vote that isn't a self vote.

Though, thinking about it, I wouldn't

mind

pocketing Flavor, but that would probably require more effort than I am willing to put in for Day 1.

could be joke
i do see jokes here
but are jokes allowed?? :/

This checks out. Dragon town.

too jumpy, but not sussy-jumpy
more incompetent jumpy
imaginge you say someone venting adn you said

OHH MY GOODNESS BIG DADDY I SEE THE IMPROSOTR
but it was just an engineer
well that makes me think he do be just a jumpy conslusioner idk idk idk
*snipped rest of post*

cw is probably town

Spicy take, CW, lapalacian, HPE, and Pavowski are all town.

Why's HPE town?

Agree about the others probably

if you think flattery is gonna let you pocket me, well i gotta tell ya, you're probably right.

DragonEater's already doing a decent job making his pocket comfy.

Alright, I got a town core in Pavowski and DragonEater. Anyone's welcome at the table thus far to see what we're cooking, promise you some good flavor.

I'mma reverse pocket.

Yeah I could work with that

Can we policy elim cw? Or modkill?

modkills are generally reserved for breaches of game integrity.
idk what cw is doing but i skimmed his iso and i get the vibe he's just town playing weirdly so i would hope we don't have to policy him.
need to read rest of game though.

I think the point of a policy elim is that you do it without regard to the person's alignment, becayse they are harming thread health etc etc

kinda up for the policy if it continues. they already claimed vanilla, and yall know i love fading vanillas day 1.

Yep

Laplacian is scum you nerds you can policy the shitposter tomorrow

Reason?

going to read everything this one missed in a sec here but saw a bunch of votes moving around Pavowski so time to UNVOTE: Pavowski before something stupid happens

Another scum post

*snipped cw quotes*
well, i was hoping you might do something to convince me/the town that you wouldn't be a good policy execution, but so far, this isn't very persuasive. i get the impression that you're not willing to engage with the game in good faith regardless of your alignment. i don't intend to fight for a policy execution here, but as of now, i don't mind one. i'd like to have some more discussion before though if that's what we do, game's only just started.

p-edit: yes it is.

Kinda think this is sliiiightly scummy for the "I am not going to push a policy lim but I don't oppose one", since it could come from scum not wanting to initiate an anti-town play while still wanting to support it, BUT I do think town could also say this, so right now it's a very small scumlean.

So is this game dead already? That sucks.

Btw I am an Alien Novice Death-Millerizer 2-Shot Vigilante.

Sus post. How is it dead? It's been less than a day?

Sus post. How is it sus? It's just an RVS post?

Seriously though, I think Hu Taown is in town.

[geraintm]

I barely remember much of geraint, but i think that's a good thing with geraint slightly, and i expect to be able to read em if they're scum anyways.

yep, ive done nothing. i know you can read me, so i am happy to not vote you on day 1 and skip to day 2

[geraintm]

VOTE: Laplacian

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Well, that's E-2. If I get rushed in the next few hours, probably 1+ scum on me already and 1+ scum in the last two voters

Yoy aren't getting voted out, don't worry

[geraintm]

VOTE: Laplacian

Gonna elaborate or just vote and run?

I am doing what I can to progress the game

[geraintm]

Glad cw is back and toning down the memes. However, they pop back in within 30 minutes of Kyouko saying cw had valid thoughts. Could just be good timing, but I'm also thinking scum chat coaching. Like, "tone it down before you get policied, go contribute next time you're mentioned"

am i just in the wrong scum chats. i have never had games like this where my partners tell me how to post

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Speaking of Geraint, where is that dude

8 posts

1st!
7 votes to get rid of a townie!

no

Also hi Thomith

Do you have an opinion on sheeping people day 1?

VOTE: dragoneater

RVS

This postnis way too serious

A. WTF did I just read

B. Some nice alignment indicative commentary:

*pokes thread with a stick*

What, do you people have jobs or something?

Somebody vote Kyouko for that smell thing, that was weird, wasn't it?

That way I can defend her and be all "nah that's totally normal, actually"

I'm finding myself not liking this post. Its giving me a weird gut ping that it feels fake but I dont know how to explain it fully.

You mentioned earlier that we were early on in the day, but here you are acting like there is a sense of urgency that feels like a subtle contradiction.

Why are you trying to get other people to vote Kyouko for something that you find weird? Why not lead the charge yourself if you want to get the game moving?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Pavowski

Thomith don't you think maybe you're jumping the gun a bit? Pavowski's post seems a little, teensy tiny bit, blatantly, shitposty.

Second post by HPE that pinged me as scummy

VOTE: HPE

i think shitposting is still just a mask, and can be alignment indicative either way. I dont think there's enough to discern a correct answer with Pavowski at all. I lean town, but wouldnt die on that hill.

ok actually the ones who are all on people for not doing tasks are able to tell because they're not doing tasks themselves
I find this mega-sussy

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Flavor Leaf
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Also these 2 sentiments don't add up.

I'm not on anyone, nor do I plan to be.

VOTE: Flavor

But let's get a Flavor wagon going.

I'm torn between sheeping you and voting scum.

I guess I'll sheep any vote that isn't a self vote.

Though, thinking about it, I wouldn't

mind

pocketing Flavor, but that would probably require more effort than I am willing to put in for Day 1.

could be joke
i do see jokes here
but are jokes allowed?? :/

This checks out. Dragon town.

too jumpy, but not sussy-jumpy
more incompetent jumpy
imaginge you say someone venting adn you said

OHH MY GOODNESS BIG DADDY I SEE THE IMPROSOTR
but it was just an engineer
well that makes me think he do be just a jumpy conslusioner idk idk idk
*snipped rest of post*

cw is probably town

Spicy take, CW, lapalacian, HPE, and Pavowski are all town.

Why's HPE town?

Agree about the others probably

if you think flattery is gonna let you pocket me, well i gotta tell ya, you're probably right.

DragonEater's already doing a decent job making his pocket comfy.

Alright, I got a town core in Pavowski and DragonEater. Anyone's welcome at the table thus far to see what we're cooking, promise you some good flavor.

I'mma reverse pocket.

Yeah I could work with that

Can we policy elim cw? Or modkill?

modkills are generally reserved for breaches of game integrity.
idk what cw is doing but i skimmed his iso and i get the vibe he's just town playing weirdly so i would hope we don't have to policy him.
need to read rest of game though.

I think the point of a policy elim is that you do it without regard to the person's alignment, becayse they are harming thread health etc etc

kinda up for the policy if it continues. they already claimed vanilla, and yall know i love fading vanillas day 1.

Yep

Laplacian is scum you nerds you can policy the shitposter tomorrow

Reason?

going to read everything this one missed in a sec here but saw a bunch of votes moving around Pavowski so time to UNVOTE: Pavowski before something stupid happens

Another scum post

*snipped cw quotes*
well, i was hoping you might do something to convince me/the town that you wouldn't be a good policy execution, but so far, this isn't very persuasive. i get the impression that you're not willing to engage with the game in good faith regardless of your alignment. i don't intend to fight for a policy execution here, but as of now, i don't mind one. i'd like to have some more discussion before though if that's what we do, game's only just started.

p-edit: yes it is.

Kinda think this is sliiiightly scummy for the "I am not going to push a policy lim but I don't oppose one", since it could come from scum not wanting to initiate an anti-town play while still wanting to support it, BUT I do think town could also say this, so right now it's a very small scumlean.

So is this game dead already? That sucks.

Btw I am an Alien Novice Death-Millerizer 2-Shot Vigilante.

Sus post. How is it dead? It's been less than a day?

Sus post. How is it sus? It's just an RVS post?

Seriously though, I think Hu Taown is in town.

feels like a weak buss if DE were to flip wolf

I barely remember much of geraint, but i think that's a good thing with geraint slightly, and i expect to be able to read em if they're scum anyways.

yep, ive done nothing. i know you can read me, so i am happy to not vote you on day 1 and skip to day 2

... not sure if there's a history here but it pisses me off when people pretend like d1 doesn't exist

VOTE: Laplacian

bandwagoning (to an extent I think scum can get equally jumpy with this compared to town so probably NAI)

Well, that's E-2. If I get rushed in the next few hours, probably 1+ scum on me already and 1+ scum in the last two voters

Yoy aren't getting voted out, don't worry

famous last words

VOTE: Laplacian

Gonna elaborate or just vote and run?

I am doing what I can to progress the game

this almost comes across as town but take it for what it's worth

Glad cw is back and toning down the memes. However, they pop back in within 30 minutes of Kyouko saying cw had valid thoughts. Could just be good timing, but I'm also thinking scum chat coaching. Like, "tone it down before you get policied, go contribute next time you're mentioned"

am i just in the wrong scum chats. i have never had games like this where my partners tell me how to post

fluff

I don't townread but I townlean geraint more than I scumlean so yeah

Sorry my day 1 wasn't more, but it was day 1 so shrug

My day 2 is going to be limited for a few days because of Xmas

[geraintm]

Hi!

I'm going to sheep Flavor Leaf Day 1 because I am lazy

What does sheep someone mean?

Follow them.
Basically DE70 is not going to have an opinion of his own today and will just do what Flavor does.

Hi!

I'm going to sheep Flavor Leaf Day 1 because I am lazy

What does sheep someone mean?

Follow them.
Basically DE70 is not going to have an opinion of his own today and will just do what Flavor does.

I will have an opinion, I just won't try very hard to push it

I know I was just giving you shit

Damn it Thomith... FBI, really?

How did you even see that? I had to look it over like 5 times to see what you even meant by that

Some people are on a total different level to me

[geraintm]

I've got nothing tonadd today from last night BTW

[geraintm]

I've got nothing tonadd today from last night BTW

C'mon man. There are almost 40 pages of game. To quote Vincent Vega, right before he shot some dude in the face, you gotta have an opinion

I was posting at 11:20pm on Xmas eve. You were lucky I logged on

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Ok Dragon, what would scum!Purple be doing here?

Self vote is disgusting, hard to read that as towny right here

Is CW even close to getting yeeted right now? Lot of people talking about voting there but how many are actually there? Such a weird thing to do

If scum you're throwing, boo, hiss
If town you should make it as hard for scum as possible, there's like no chance you get limmed by town alone

Eh. I've self voted as town before. It's not the worst thing

Strong disagree

[geraintm]

We need to go somewhat decently higher profile today, so nobody in the low content slots, unfortunately.

Unless some major connections today happen with them, but i don’t think Geraint, Joyboy, or Purple are the types to get in the middle of things like that anyways.

I am being pretty passive today. Yesterday was a wash, and I've got very little to add to the table today, and I don't have much in thr way of time to really go over much. I suspect I am going to let others push someone over the edge without my help and try and be very un scummy for the future

[geraintm]

Do you have any reads whatsoever? I have skimmed your ISO and I don't get the impression you have a stance on anyone.

I think it will grow today as I see people pushing reads when they really shouldn't. There is very little info to go on and so I will be wary of anyone who is strongly advocating for anyone

[geraintm]

(cw?, geraintm, joyboy?, flavor, myself, maybe DragonEater?) - players who reasonably could have found Thomith's cop crumb

It is not reasonable to expect me to find a crumb

[geraintm]

I'm at E-2
just hammer

not me, i have zero interest in eliminating you

[geraintm]

im not opposed to mass claim, but i think it's probs better tomorrow.

This feels highly uncharacteristic of you

I don't see how claiming helps town. It doesn't trap scum in their claims at all as there is so little to go on at the moment

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(cw?, geraintm, joyboy?, flavor, myself, maybe DragonEater?) - players who reasonably could have found Thomith's cop crumb

It is not reasonable to expect me to find a crumb

this is kind of something, i think. why does kyouko think geraint would have seen that crumb?

We need to go somewhat decently higher profile today, so nobody in the low content slots, unfortunately.

Unless some major connections today happen with them, but i don’t think Geraint, Joyboy, or Purple are the types to get in the middle of things like that anyways.

geraint is definitely not
UNVOTE:

I like some of what I'm seeing from Dragon and several days away from the game makes it feel fresh

these together are kind of rough for Kyouko. They push like they know Geraint, but nothing against Geraint, but Geraint is correct they never pick up that crumb there.

I also dont really know what kyouko is saying that geraint is definitely not, but it looks like they're pushing some kind of familiarity with it, but Geraint/Kyouko have a weird dynamic imo.

And the fact Geraint has that with anyone right now is kinda telling.

This is one of those games where being a useless townie really helps, as it is impossible for anyone to make a good case against me. Sure later on I can't be left to the end game because I am a hole, but later me can worry about that.

[geraintm]

I had this written from the end of yesterday, but the day got cut off before I could post.

Flavour wrote

"I find it highly unusual that Geraint generally will sheep me in games ‘hoping’ or ‘trusting’ that I’m town to help move games forward, especially because I’ve been known to read them, and they hold off here even though I am conf town. That’s a weird read, but i think it holds some weight that they could be scum."

^^
I wasnt going to follow you today because it was a terrible elimination.

And that was my reply.
Yesterday was never not go to end in a town elimination and I wanted no part of it.
I'll claim now, as I am between watching Barbie and Dungeons and Dragons. I'm nothing.

[geraintm]

Oh shit so it is

These things don't mean as much in my world

Which world are you on?

[geraintm]

HPE->Hu Tao->Purple->Dragon->FL

Do you just know what I am so you left me off the claims list? =P

Geraint is obv scum, by the way. I almost wanted to switch yesterday, but Kyouko just gave a lot more elsewise.

No chance he's just a lurky town? I agree the "meant to post at end of day" post now is not particularly resonating with towniness, though I definitely vibe with watching Barbie and Dungeons and Dragons back to back

I am bad townie. I had no info to go on and I always felt day 2 was going to end with a townie getting eliminated, I was happy to wait till day 3 when surely someone would have something that would narrow the pool down.

I hadn't seen Barbie before, but my daughters got it for Xmas so we saved it whilst staying up.
My suggestion was D&D was mine.
I did not like Barbie.
They loved D&D

[geraintm]

I had no info to go on

hey its this excuse again

We had a series of votes on a townie on day 1 which doesn't mean anything. I planned on day 2 to not get involved in the inevitable terrible elimination, but there wasn't anything concrete to go on then to find scum. Maybe now the 2 wagons can be looked at, but I ain't doing that tonight

[geraintm]

You think that scum team ain’t trembling right now?

No idea what scum are thinking. I'm just baffled how for someone who previously has just got me when I'm town thinks I am scum in this game?

[geraintm]

HPE laying it on thick like that while trying to push Geraint the way they are almost looks like intentional connecting between Geraint slot.

Sorry, "intentional connecting"? Are you saying this is s/s distancing?

I feel incredibly stupid today

Think he means s/t "try to paint the other guy as my scumpartner" shenanigans. This one just fuckin hates how gera's been like "uwaaah theres NO INFO for me to use... and i didnt want ANYTHING TO DO with that TERRIBLE ELIM yesterday..." like ok dude if you thought the elim sucked ass why didn't you

say anything.

Part of me thinks this might sorta how gera plays in general but if so its a miserable way to play lmao

I had the same thought re: Gera but my guy has obviously played a few games, so he's gotta know it's a "miserable way to play"

Which honestly just makes the slot like 50/50 on its face for me, either totally disinterested town (which ... why are you playing?) or scum grouchy they pulled the red card and just hoping to skate by getting townread for apathy

Anyway your explanation makes more sense than how my addled self was trying to read that comment

I know my limitations as town. I know I am.not thr sort of player who can make good cases on people early.doors, but I try everything I can to be townie and make it awkward for scum

[geraintm]

Yeah, I’ll Vig Geraint tonight

Well,.I don't want you to.

[geraintm]

Kyouko flip just helped so much on adding to the VCA. By wagonomics, HPE and Geraint both look pretty rough on Lap, and HPE on Kyouko.

My day 1 vote was rough? You know I was only voting thr longest wagon so we could get today 2, right?

[geraintm]

Has anyone in here played with me as scum btw?
Can people.recall what I am.like.as scum?

[geraintm]

its played with atleast 4 of your various accounts atp so

Okay so turns out we've played in Fire and Ice and I guess we were both town. I just did a really good job of erasing that game from my memory (I think a lot of us did).

Has anyone in here played with me as scum btw?
Can people.recall what I am.like.as scum?

Nope. As far as I'm able to tell, you've never even rolled scum.

It's been a while. I am massively panicky as scum, joining wagons for terrible reasons. I am really obvious as scum

[geraintm]

its played with atleast 4 of your various accounts atp so

Okay so turns out we've played in Fire and Ice and I guess we were both town. I just did a really good job of erasing that game from my memory (I think a lot of us did).

Has anyone in here played with me as scum btw?
Can people.recall what I am.like.as scum?

Nope. As far as I'm able to tell, you've never even rolled scum.

It's been a while. I am massively panicky as scum, joining wagons for terrible reasons. I am really obvious as scum

Link to scumgame?

viewtopic.php?t=90580&sid=fcb1259bf2a0c ... 0f362c1e02
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[geraintm]

At the risk of bringing back painful memories, he did the same thing in Flavorless Hell as town.

What I find unusual is that this game he also lurked Day 2, and I don't think he's really made an effort to sort people based on either D1 or D2 (analysing the aftermath of these being Gera's usual goal in sheeping the longest wagon)

Day 2 in this game happened over Christmas, an exceptionaly bad time

[geraintm]

At the risk of bringing back painful memories, he did the same thing in Flavorless Hell as town.

What I find unusual is that this game he also lurked Day 2, and I don't think he's really made an effort to sort people based on either D1 or D2 (analysing the aftermath of these being Gera's usual goal in sheeping the longest wagon)

As scum it is as thr game goes on that I start placing more and more bad voted is what I think is my tell

[geraintm]

Laplacian (7) - ssbm_kyouko, Abnegation, Pavowski, HighPrincessErinys, geraintm, DragonEater70, Flavor Leaf

ssbm_Kyouko (6) - Flavor Leaf, HighPrincessErinys, Pavowski, Hu Tao, cw357, Gamma Emerald

Those are the two end wagons

left from day 1 alive are
Pavowski
HighPrincessErinys
Me
DragonEater70
Flavor Leaf

and Day 2

Flavor Leaf - doubled
Pavowski - doubled
HighPrincessErinys - doubled
Hu Tao
cw357
Gamma Emerald

there is currently a wagon on HPE, Flavour is on it.
if they go down and are green, then Flavour should be the top of my suspect list?

[geraintm]

im conf town

Yes I know, I meant to write that as if I didn't know your claim you would be top of my list

[geraintm]

Thr sense of inevitably that some people have about this elimination....makes me not like it.

[geraintm]

so who's scum other than Geraint, and why?

I don't care at all about you trying to discredit, id rather see where your reads are.

I ain't scum

[geraintm]

If I was scum, I had many opportunities to vote today and oicked none of them.

[geraintm]

Just my gut

You eaten the fish? I told you it had been left out too long....

[geraintm]

His reasonings yesterday I kind of liked, and felt like genuine town Geraint. Like the post he made when i said I’d vig them (i didn’t) and they said “well i don’t want you to”

And Day 2 did happen during holidays, which they seem to had festivities of sorts going, like when they said “11pm on Christmas Eve, you lucky i posted at all”

Was super genuine.

I just don’t think Geraint been pushing an objective this game, and when they started posting more. Idk. I just don’t see HPE and Geraint aligned after both of their play yesterday.

I believe Geraint is the fade that scum wanted after HPE went down, which gives more reason for Hu Tao scum imo

Scum me would have tried to get someone other than my scum partner eliminated yesterday.

[geraintm]

Laplacian

(7) -

ssbm_kyouko

,

Abnegation

, Pavowski

HighPrincessErinys

,

geraintm

, DragonEater70, Flavor Leaf

ssbm_Kyouko

(6) - Flavor Leaf,

HighPrincessErinys

, Pavowski, Hu Tao, cw357, Gamma Emerald

HighPrincessErinys

(5) - DragonEater70, Hu Tao, Gamma Emerald, Flavor Leaf, Purplemango

The three wagons with Towns, Scum and me coloured

So, Pavowski was on turn 2 towns wagons and not Scum

Dragon Eater, Hu Toa and Gamma Emerald were one one Town and one scum

Flavour Leaf was on all three

Cw357 (and me) on one Town

Purple Mango only on Scum

So, thoughts.

Pavowski would normally be top of my list of people to suspect.
Weirdly, Purple Mango pings me.

[geraintm]

A Dragon->Geraint team makes sense why they couldn't kill last night because Geraint was a high chance of being shot by me as well as Dragon.

Yeah, I think Dragon fade today leads to a Geraint Vig shot, game over.

I would never think you would shoot me.
I think you think you can read me (correct) and I ain't Much use as scum (also corr3ct)

[geraintm]

man, i just don't know what to make of flavour. their level of confidence in the game as they see it is way beyond anything i could ever aspire to.

[geraintm]

I don't think he has the votes to Elim you today anyway. Why do you think it's gamma/pav?

Gamma I wasn't seeing anything towny from up until this game day, now I'm starting to see it as more towny though. I also remember Kyo's last words that Gamma scumreading her is lockscum.

For Pav, yes he's very towny on a surface level but again, everything he does is easily fakable as scum IMO, and looking through Pav/HPE combined ISO during the night I noticed there were like 2 posts in Pav's ISO that I thought were somewhat scummy, and these are the exact posts that HPE liked about his slot. It definitely feels off, like HPE just made up a townread because it needed to but couldn't genuinely townread Pav because it knew he was scum. There's other things, like Pav subtly discrediting the Day 1 wagon on HPE and then saying how it's "neat" when I unvoted (feels manipulative).

i just don't see how people are so strongly reading Pav as town.

[geraintm]

VOTE: Purplemango

[geraintm]

I agree this is what I was saying. Let's pretend Dragon is town. What would scum have here? RB? Not sure what else. Role cop? Idk

something that can't be killed at night? would give them some sort of claim that the shooter got stopped somehow?
but i am bad at setup guessing games

[geraintm]

HPE wouldn't put so much effort into discrediting me if I was its partner, it would just tell me to move off it in the scum PT.

HPE seemed to go after me too. would you think that clears me?

[geraintm]

what if we kill Purple

i think they're scum here.

Dragon can jail me, and then we go tomorrow. If they're scum, cool, we're in a decent spot. If they're town, we got that out of the way, and then only one left. We can go Purple->Geraint if Purple is scum, and then maybe all 4 of you are all town.

Sure, maybe we are all town.

Let's flash wagon Meowth.

VOTE: cw

I don't see the value of this scattergun approach to trying to get anyone voted oit

[geraintm]

agree today has been long. for all the suspicions of Purple i am seeing on this page, i note i am the only one voting there. I don't see me switching to Hu Toa today, if people want to go there you'll have to do it without me.

[geraintm]

i'd rather a Pav elimination than Hu Toa too

[geraintm]

DragonEater70 (2) - cw357, Flavor Leaf
Pavowski (2) - Hu Tao, DragonEater70
Hu Tao (1) - Pavowski
Purplemango (1) - geraintm

The fact that the 3 on my POE are so split up shows that that is where the town are at. Because they don’t know.

Pavowski has made so many anti-scum moves this entire game.

There is scum on Pavowski 9 out of 10 times this game

If we end up going for pav I'll vote there

[geraintm]

VOTE: pav

[geraintm]

Gera/purple/your slot have been lurky,

yeah, i have been. but i've got so little to go on i am just going by gut.

[geraintm]

Pavowski would normally be top of my list of people to suspect.
Weirdly, Purple Mango pings me.

You think my vote came from nowhere? I pegged them as someone I would be happy to vote for ages ago???

[geraintm]

If think pav is more likely scum than Hu toa, so moved my vote there. Not sure why that sparked such a reaction

[geraintm]

yeah, but pav is obv town.

To you

[geraintm]

Okay I should really be working on course work today but HERE GOES.

Spoiler: Lengthy speculation on HPE's iso under here

Honestly 145 feels like scum annoyed they're getting sus from Dragon early on more than it feels like legit distancing. +town for Dragon

Next several posts are fixated on Dragon. Scum!HPE probably shades their scumbuddy and moves on, the fact they keep on it feels +town for Dragon

Then they spend some time focusing their attention on, and bolstering their sus of, Lap and Thom. Given these green flips, it's interesting to compare this with their push on Dragon. The earlier Dragon push feels more tangential and fleeting, but maybe that's because Thom/Lap feel more like LHF at this point.

They barely mention HT, Purple, Gera or Kyo d1.

D2 they start off really trying to make CW happen and lamenting that CW wasn't vigged. This is heavy +town for Nurse. Flavor has previously flagged 862 as openly coordinating in the thread. Under that theory does scum!Dragon ask his scumbuddy to case one town (me) and one scum (Hu Tao) in the thread? That feels like a lot. 1028 and 1069 show them giving up pushing CW to turn on me under cover of sheeping Dragon.

...But then there's the CW wagon again and they're really excited. I guess that looks bad for me doesn't it? Ha.

WOO a reads ranking:

can you give me a short list for everyone?

Flavor Leaf

cw357

(but needs to Get Real or Get Dead)

DragonEater70

Hu Tao
ssbm_Kyouko (this one needs to bother reading her iso so fucking bad)
Purplemango

geraintm

Joyboy

Pavowski

Purplemango feels the best out of the 3 lurkers but all of them really, really need to start contributing.

I'ma circle back to this as it's the only such post we get.

1385 hops on the wagon for townie Kyo. Next several posts sparring with Kyo, whatever.

1486 they posit scumteam of Pav/Kyo/HT. Rule of 3 says 2 townies and 1 scummo in any scummo's set of 3; fmpov that leaves HT. Then (same post) says there's *at least* 2 scum in Pav/Kyo/HT/Dragon. If they're TMI'ing that's HT/Dragon.

More jousting with/about Kyo, then ... 1575 shades me, I guess? For unvoting Kyo. I didn't understand what they were trying to say then and I still don't.

1875 is so shady towards Dragon it's hard to see it being s/s. Feels, again, like genuine frustration for a townie not acting the way that one expected/wanted.

Then there's some serious Gera shade happening. HPE has now shaded every low content slot except Purple. In fact, in the reads list above they specifically said Purple was towny among the lurkers.

Then back-and-forth with Flavor, obviously pretty frustrated with his play since things are turning in that one's direction.

2145 they posit HT/Pav/Gera scum team. Rule of 3 fmpov says HT.

2265 feels worth a look:

so who's scum other than Geraint, and why?

I don't care at all about you trying to discredit, id rather see where your reads are.

first off you're kinda one to talk about discrediting rn, second off:

Pool is Pav/HT/lurker/Gamma. This one really doubts theres more than 1 scum in gera/cw/Purple but at the same time all of them being terrible awful no-substance slots 90% of the time doesn't help.

My primary concern is in HT because HT, as this one has noted, is fucking difficult as hell for me to read accurately.

On the other hand, Gamma voting cw during catch-up feels like a possible bus meant to keep attention away from her posturing on Kyouko until she was finished and could seal the deal, but this one is only really confident in HT/Gamma being aligned with how individually weird their interactions are, as HT likes pushing Gamma and Gamma likes completely disregarding HT's existence. Gamma has weird non-interaction with Pavowski too. HT/Gamma is definitely distancing, Gamma/Pavowski is... something. Especially with how Pavowski does seem interested in what others think of her slot and the way he talks about letting her finish her ISO.

Interesting is what I put in

turquoise

up there, because here I think is where HPE felt inevitable and this feels like distancing in that light. A pool of Pav/HT/lurker/Gamma is probably TMI'ing again. The lurker is probably not the ones HPE has actually pushed for.

2272 is kinda hilarious if my vibe read of Hu Tao in light of this iso is correct.

tl:dr I think HPE's iso is clearing for CW/Nurse and suggests town!Gera, and potentially town!Dragon. (It would townlock Flavor if we needed that.) I think it's *really* bad for Hu Tao and Purple, Hu Tao because of constant shade without ever actually trying to push there and Purple by virtue of the fact that Purple is *barely ever mentioned*. Note above that in that reads list both Purple and Hu Tao are smack in the middle, uncolored. I don't have a good bead on what it says about Gamma but I'm towny enough on Gamma I'm not that stressed about it.

Ok, no more readbacks for me today.

Purple was so absent it has been hard for anyone to have any interaction with them, would like to point that out

[geraintm]

Not sure why you're defending Purple here Gera, but if you're town and HPE was scum, why is that one pushing for your Lim but saying fuck-all about Purple?

I am not defining Purple, I was justvtrying to point out you couldn't attack someone else for having low interactions with them

[geraintm]

Defending typo

[geraintm]

By play, you could say you are defending Purple and Hu Tao.

Say Pav is conf town, who’s scum, Geraint?

Purple is my gut

[geraintm]

Maybe Geraint and Gamma but idk.

this is where im at right now, fwiw.

its odd that our views are so divergent this game.

[geraintm]

I’m in a middle ground where it’s either a really good sign Black paired up with my Hu Tao/Dragon from before or a really bad sign.

Hu Tao/Dragon have been unnaturally linked like that since early game, and a lot of times it felt too much to be S/S, but i have thought about the ‘do they do that as scum here?’

UNVOTE: Geraint

I gotta take some time to think

I am fairly certain if I was scum you would have got that from me by now. The fact you haven't means (to me) that you know I am not and are just confused

[geraintm]

Yeah, 3 scum.

And Geraint hasn’t really done much, and that’s kinda the thing.

They also limiting their push to Pav.

And HPE, day that one knew they were going down, spam pushed Geraint too hard, so either distancing or trying to act like it was distancing.

i voted for Purple before Pav, but no one was interested in that so went to my second choice

[geraintm]

I will look into Geraint when I get some time later. If you have a post where you summarize your case on them you can link it and I'll start there

i think it is because i have been uber-passive in the game and people just can't work me out, and there are not any other really strong options in the game.
I agree that i cannot be allowed to get to the end game (partly because i will vote wrong in the end game) and town will need to sort out my slot, but now is not the time

[geraintm]

It's fine if you all want to fade me but give me a couple days to try to solve this thing before I go

this game is in no rush

[geraintm]

If this game is Geraint/Purple scum team, this is silly.

But like, funny still.

Yep.

If I was scum, I would have managed to get on a wagon by now that had got over the line. I can see Purple being scum thiugh

[geraintm]

vote black, purple.

VOTE: purple

[geraintm]

Geraint voting alongside their main scum read Pav is baaaaaaaad. Purely a saving Black vote.

No, Purple was where I was before Pav, but at that time no one else wanted it. All I am.doing is moving my vote back where it was

[geraintm]

So you CAN die at night and leave this game. I thought that was a myth.

I am fucking daunted at the moment realizing we are four to two, this feels terrible. Town has to align here

VOTE: Purple while I process a little

Hate such a quick vote on the person I was voting for yesterday, you hoping I'll follow you there?

[geraintm]

The game really could be Purple and Gera here, couldn't it

lmao

I have no idea how to process you thinking we are both scum

[geraintm]

Also hate the vote before people come back and confirm their night actions

[geraintm]

Day 1

Spoiler:

1.1

DragonEater70 (1)

- geraintm

Flavor Leaf (1)

- Pavowski

Hu Tao (1)

-

Thomith

Not Voting (10)

-

Abnegation

,

cw357

, DragonEater70,

Flavor Leaf

,

HighPrincessErinys

, Hu Tao,

Laplacian

,

Gamma Emerald

, Purplemango,

ssbm_Kyouko

1.2

Flavor Leaf (3)

- Pavowski,

Flavor Leaf

,

cw357

Pavowski (2) -

Thomith

,

Laplacian

Abnegation (1)

-

Abnegation

DragonEater70 (1)

- geraintm

Laplacian (1)

-

ssbm_Kyouko

Not Voting (5)

- DragonEater70,

HighPrincessErinys

, Hu Tao,

Gamma Emerald

, Purplemango

1.3

Laplacian (4)

-

ssbm_kyouko

,

Abnegation

, Pavowski,

HighPrincessErinys

Flavor Leaf (2)

-

Flavor Leaf

,

cw357

Abnegation (1)

-

Laplacian

cw357

(1)

-

Gamma Emerald

DragonEater70 (1)

- geraintm

HighPrincessErinys

(1)

- DragonEater70

Not Voting (3)

- Hu Tao, Purplemango,

Thomith

1.4

Laplacian (5)

-

ssbm_kyouko

,

Abnegation

, Pavowski,

HighPrincessErinys

, geraintm

HighPrincessErinys

(3)

- Hu Tao,

Flavor Leaf

, DragonEater70

Flavor Leaf (1)

-

cw357

Abnegation (1)

-

Laplacian

cw357

(1)

-

Gamma Emerald

Not Voting (2)

- Purplemango,

Thomith

1.5

Laplacian (5)

-

ssbm_kyouko

,

Abnegation

, Pavowski,

HighPrincessErinys

, geraintm

Abnegation (2)

- DragonEater70,

Flavor Leaf

Gamma Emerald

(2)

-

cw357

, Hu Tao

cw357 (1)

-

Gamma Emerald

HighPrincessErinys

(1)

-

Laplacian

Not Voting (2)

- Purplemango,

Thomith

1.6

Laplacian (7)

-

ssbm_kyouko

,

Abnegation

, Pavowski,

HighPrincessErinys

, geraintm, DragonEater70,

Flavor Leaf

Gamma Emerald

(2)

-

cw357

, Hu Tao

cw357 (1)

-

Gamma Emerald

HighPrincessErinys

(1)

-

Laplacian

Not Voting (2)

- Purplemango,

Thomith

Day 2

Spoiler:

2.1

cw357

(2)

-

Flavor Leaf

,

HighPrincessErinys

Flavor Leaf

(1)

-

cw357

geraintm (1)

-

Gamma Emerald

Gamma Emerald

(1)

- Hu Tao

Pavowski (1)

- DragonEater70

Not Voting (4)

- geraintm, Pavowski, Purplemango,

ssbm_Kyouko

2.2

cw357

(4) - DragonEater70,

cw357

,

HighPrincessErinys

, Hu Tao
geraintm (1) -

Gamma Emerald

Not Voting (5) -

Flavor Leaf

, geraintm, Pavowski[, Purplemango,

ssbm_Kyouko

2.3

cw357

(3) -

cw357

,

HighPrincessErinys

, Hu Tao
geraintm (1) -

Gamma Emerald

Pavowski (1) -

ssbm_Kyouko

ssbm_Kyouko

(2) -

Flavor Leaf

, DragonEater70

Not Voting (4) - geraintm, Pavowski, Purplemango

2.4

cw357 (1) - cw357

geraintm (1) -

Gamma Emerald

Pavowski (1) -

ssbm_Kyouko

ssbm_Kyouko

(4) -

Flavor Leaf

, DragonEater70,

HighPrincessErinys

, Pavowski

Not Voting (3) - geraintm, Purplemango, Hu Tao

2.5

cw357 (1) - cw357

geraintm (1) -

Gamma Emerald

Pavowski (1) -

ssbm_Kyouko

ssbm_Kyouko (3) -

Flavor Leaf

,

HighPrincessErinys

, Pavowski

Not Voting (4) - geraintm, Purplemango, Hu Tao, DragonEater70

2.6

cw357 (1) - cw357

ssbm_Kyouko

(4) -

Flavor Leaf,

HighPrincessErinys

, Pavowski, Hu Tao

HighPrincessErinys

(1) -

ssbm_Kyouko

Not Voting (4) - geraintm, Purplemango, DragonEater70,

Gamma Emerald

2.7

ssbm_Kyouko

(4) -

Flavor Leaf

,

HighPrincessErinys

, Hu Tao,

cw357

HighPrincessErinys

(1) -

ssbm_Kyouko

cw357 (1) - Gamma Emerald

Not Voting (4) - geraintm, Purplemango, DragonEater70, Pavowski

2.8

ssbm_Kyouko

(4) -

Flavor Leaf

, HighPrincessErinys, Hu Tao,

cw357

HighPrincessErinys

(1) -

ssbm_Kyouko

Gamma Emerald

(1) - DragonEater70

Not Voting (4) - geraintm, Purplemango, Pavowski,

Gamma Emerald

2.9

ssbm_Kyouko

(5) -

Flavor Leaf

,

HighPrincessErinys

, Hu Tao, Pavowski,

cw357

Gamma Emerald (2) - DragonEater70,

ssbm_Kyouko

Not Voting (3) - geraintm, Purplemango,

Gamma Emerald

2.10

ssbm_Kyouko

(6) -

Flavor Leaf

,

HighPrincessErinys

, Pavowski, Hu Tao,

cw357, Gamma Emerald

Gamma Emerald

(2) - DragonEater70,

ssbm_Kyouko

Not Voting (3) - geraintm, Purplemango

Day 3

Spoiler:

3.1

DragonEater70 (1) -

Flavor Leaf

geraintm (1) -

HighPrincessErinys

HighPrincessErinys

(1) - DragonEater70

Not Voting (6) -

cw357, Gamma Emerald

, geraintm, Hu Tao, Pavowski, Purplemango

3.2

cw357

(1) - Pavowski
DragonEater70 (1) -

Flavor Leaf

geraintm (1) -

HighPrincessErinys

HighPrincessErinys

(1) -

DragonEater70

Pavowski (1) -

Gamma Emerald

Not Voting (4) -

cw357

, geraintm, Hu Tao, Purplemango

3.3

HighPrincessErinys

(5) - DragonEater70, Hu Tao,

Gamma Emerald

,

Flavor Leaf

, Purplemango

cw357

(1) - Pavowski
geraintm (1) -

HighPrincessErinys

Not Voting (2) -

cw357

, geraintm

Day 4

Spoiler:

4.2

Pavowski (2) -

Gamma Emerald

, DragonEater70
DragonEater70 (1) -

Flavor Leaf

geraintm (1) - Hu Tao

Not Voting (4) -

cw357

, geraintm, Pavowski, Purplemango

4.3

Pavowski (2) - DragonEater70, Flavor Leaf
DragonEater70 (2) -

Gamma Emerald, cw357

geraintm (1) - Hu Tao

Not Voting (3) - geraintm, Pavowski, Purplemango

4.4

DragonEater70 (2) -

cw357, Flavor Leaf

Pavowski (2) - DragonEater70, Hu Tao
Hu Tao (1) - geraintm
Purplemango (1) - geraintm

Not Voting (2) - Pavowski, Purplemango

4.5

Hu Tao (2) -

Gamma Emerald, Flavor Leaf

cw357

(1) - DragonEater70
DragonEater70 (1) -

cw357

Pavowski (1) - Hu Tao
Purplemango (1) - geraintm

Not Voting (2) - Pavowski, Purplemango

4.6

Hu Tao (2) -

Gamma Emerald

, Pavowski
Purplemango (2) - geraintm,

Flavor Leaf

cw357

(1) - DragonEater70
DragonEater70 (1) -

cw357

Pavowski (1) - Hu Tao

Not Voting (1) - Purplemango

4.7

DragonEater70 (2) -

cw357, Flavor Leaf

Pavowski (2) - Hu Tao, DragonEater70
Hu Tao (1) - Pavowski
Purplemango (1) - geraintm

Not Voting (2) -

Gamma Emerald

, Purplemango

4.8

Hu Tao (4) - Pavowski,

Gamma Emerald, Flavor Leaf, Random Nurse

Pavowski (2) - Hu Tao, DragonEater70
Purplemango (1) - geraintm

Not Voting (1) - Purplemango

4.9

Pavowski (3) - Hu Tao, DragonEater70, geraintm
Hu Tao (2) -

Gamma Emerald, Random Nurse

Not Voting (3) - Flavor Leaf, Pavowski, Purplemango

4.10

Pavowski (3) - Hu Tao, DragonEater70, geraintm
Hu Tao (3) -

Gamma Emerald, Random Nurse, Flavor Leaf

Not Voting (2) - Pavowski, Purplemango

4.11

Pavowski (3) - Hu Tao, DragonEater70, geraintm
Hu Tao (2) -

Gamma Emerald, Random Nurse

geraintm (1) -

Flavor Leaf

Not Voting (2) - Pavowski, Purplemango

4.12

Pavowski (2) - DragonEater70, geraintm

Black

(2) - Hu Tao,

Flavor Leaf

DragonEater70 (1) -

Black

Hu Tao (1) -

Random Nurse

Purplemango (1) - Pavowski

Not Voting (1) - Purplemango

4.13

Black

(3) - Hu Tao,

Flavor Leaf

, DragonEater70
Hu Tao (2) -

Random Nurse, Black

Purplemango (2) - Pavowski, geraintm

Not Voting (1) - Purplemango

4.14

Black

(3) - Hu Tao,

Flavor Leaf

, DragonEater70
Hu Tao (2) -

Random Nurse, Black

Purplemango (2) - Pavowski, geraintm

Not Voting (1) - Purplemango

4.15

Black (5) - Hu Tao,

Flavor Leaf

, DragonEater70, Pavowski, Purplemango
Hu Tao (2) -

Random Nurse, Black

Purplemango (1) - geraintm

Not Voting (0)

For me to be scum, it would require me on day 3 to not get involved at all in any counter wagons to my partner and letting them go down without a fight. This is so not my scum game. I didn't even try and get some town cred by joining their wagon.

[geraintm]

I am happy with Voting in thr pav/Purple pair

[geraintm]

HPE has also had the worst reads this game, and sheeped into both wagons. Actively helped push Lap too, when Lap was obv town.

I think we go hpe today, I agree

This was hu tao really helping getting HPE eliminated, and I think they could have not done this, they didn't need to generate pressure on them and gone elsewhere (like....I for example.am always a good out when an alternative wagon is needed and instead of that they push scum).

I don't want to vote Hu toa today

[geraintm]

I wasnt voting when I believed it would be for town

[geraintm]

HPE has also had the worst reads this game, and sheeped into both wagons. Actively helped push Lap too, when Lap was obv town.

I think we go hpe today, I agree

This was hu tao really helping getting HPE eliminated, and I think they could have not done this, they didn't need to generate pressure on them and gone elsewhere (like....I for example.am always a good out when an alternative wagon is needed and instead of that they push scum).

I don't want to vote Hu toa today

HPE was always the play on Day 3, there weren’t really other major options

And yet I didn't join in the inevitable? I would have as scum

[geraintm]

Everyone can make an argument that they have been left alive because scum is trying.to.get them miseliminated.

Except me.

I am the one they are counting on to vote wrong

[geraintm]

Going to look at different people's voting
1st up Pav

Day 1 - Voted town all day
Day 2 - hoped on and off town SSBM a few times
Day 3 - was off the scum wagon, only voted town.
Day 4 - on Hu Toa, including 4.8 when the 4 other votes were all town. Jumped off after this, some votes for Purple Mango and then on town Black at the end

Have I mentioned I hate this game?

I swear on my rug, if Hu Tao is scum here...

VOTE: Black I hate to lim somebody who just repped in but I'm gonna sheep it, y'all can scumread me for it tomorrow. If this flips red it'll be worth it

Who's the other scum with HT, Black?

that was their vote on black.
Day 5 had an early vote on....Purple?

I hate this Vote History

[geraintm]

Purple's voting

Day 1 - didn't vote
Day 2 - didn't vote
Day 3 - hammerd scum
Day 4 - only vote was hammer town

Day 5 - thinks i am pretty scummy!

This slot i dislike a lot. have people played with them before, have they ever been this sit backish, happy to go along with town doing all the work getting rid of other town?

[geraintm]

Hu Toa

Day 1 - 1st vote was on HPE, then Gamma and was off Town wagon at the end of the day
Day 2 - began with Gamma, then switched for CW, then no vote and then 4th vote on SSBM [Pav was the vote after scum HPE, Hu Toa was 2nd vote after scum HPE]

Day 3 - 2nd vote on HPE
Day 4 - voted me! then Pav,

Votecount 4.8

With 8 players alive, it takes 5 votes to eliminate. Day 4 ends in 4 days, 6 hours, 30 minutes (frozen).

Votecount

Hu Tao (4)

- Pavowski, Gamma Emerald, Flavor Leaf, Random Nurse

Pavowski (2)

- Hu Tao, DragonEater70

Purplemango (1)

- geraintm

Not Voting (1)

- Purplemango

this is vote 4.8

they have 4 votes on them. 3 are town and 1 is Pav
if they are town and i know i am town, there are 2 scum in slots Pav, Dragoneater and Purple mango. it would have taken 1 scum from the Dragon/Purple pair (because at least 1 has to be scum) to finish off Hu Toa.
But it didn't happen

Votecount 4.10

With 8 players alive, it takes 5 votes to eliminate. Day 4 ends in 4 days, 6 hours, 30 minutes (frozen).

Votecount

Pavowski (3)

- Hu Tao, DragonEater70, geraintm

Hu Tao (3)

- Gamma Emerald, Random Nurse, Flavor Leaf

Not Voting (2)

- Pavowski, Purplemango

that is vote 4.10
HU Toa has 3 town votes on them. Pav has 3 votes on them (one is me who is town). scum could have gotten one of Pav or Hu toa over the line here if they wanted - remember if Hu Toa is town then there are 2 scum in Dragon, Pav and Purple - either Dragon can vote Hu toa with his partner, or the 2 scum not voting anyone can vote hu toa.

it didn't happen

Day 4 wagons on Pav and Hu toa all collapse and we end up with Black/Gamma going

i dunno, i don't hate their votes as much as the others, but day 4 and them not going and scum taking their sweet time to get rid of Gamma/Black when Hu Toa or Pav were there for the taking earlier on just makes me wonder what was going on.

[geraintm]

Look, is it ... Is it *crazy* to consider no-lim today?

scum would shoot one of the 'confirmed' town slots, and we would still be shooting in the same small pool.

[geraintm]

I can literally town case every player here.

Like…at this point, I’m just scum playing a killer scum game. (That is my default, can’t help it

But still.

Maybe I have to go in and actually go about town casing every player.

Because I see the scum cases for EVERYONE too.

I am also in the dreaded IC position.

I really thought I’d just die and get my shot on HPE.

But it was a fun game.

at this stage, i have as town you, Dragon and me.

as far as i can tell, i think Flavour are 99% on that too. and if i am scum (which i ain't, i think i've done a pretty good job this game as appearing more and more townie as the game goes on and not doing anything scummy and your read on me Flavour has progressed like it normally does) i don't think you can beat Scum me. if there was a sudden wagon forming on me would be hella sus.

so, to me,i think there are 2 scum in the Purplemango, Hu Tao & Pavowski pool and we just need to shoot right twice to get the win.

Is that a fair summary of the game state? do either of Flavour or Dragon disagree?
because if this isn't how the game is going to proceed then i am at a loss.

[geraintm]

So, who we think is clean among Purple, Hu Toa and Pav and why? I tried to work it out but I didn't come to a final decision

[geraintm]

As I can't see anyone not in the Hu toa, Purple, pav trio getting voted out today, I am kinda waiting to see how those 3 place their votes on the other 2 and with what reasonings.

[geraintm]

Gera/purple please confirm you are not the scum team, thanks.

I am not scum.

[geraintm]

Gera/purple please confirm you are not the scum team, thanks.

I am not scum.

I know, but I don't

know

that. Well, I sort of do but you know what I mean.

Oh, I thought you wanted me to check in and show I wasn't quick voting or something

[geraintm]

I would take this quick fade if I were scum in Geraint/Purple

I am explicitly showing I am not doing that.
I feel town has a 2/3 chance of winning this as is which isn't bad odds.

[geraintm]

And I ain't moving till Purple does

[geraintm]

It would be more than mildly annoying if I try to solve which of you is scum only to find out the team is gera/purple.

I love wouldn't be wasting your time, and would have been more proactive on previous days

[geraintm]

It would be more than mildly annoying if I try to solve which of you is scum only to find out the team is gera/purple.

I love wouldn't be wasting your time, and would have been more proactive on previous days

You think pav is scum right? Why not vote pav?

i want the extra info from purple's vote before committing.

[geraintm]

I would like to see Purple choose someone to vote out of Pav / HT

I think that's like the most substantially meaningful piece of associative behavior we could get here. So I'd like to have that before I vote, even if it's not that important.

And Flavor, yes there's something I am ommitting here. I am ommitting it intentionally so please let it just play out.

I don't really care which of them will be first, assuming they are both scum
They do act like town, but less than the other players, so it makes sense

Your reluctance to vote is becoming obvious

[geraintm]

I would like to see Purple choose someone to vote out of Pav / HT

I think that's like the most substantially meaningful piece of associative behavior we could get here. So I'd like to have that before I vote, even if it's not that important.

And Flavor, yes there's something I am ommitting here. I am ommitting it intentionally so please let it just play out.

I don't really care which of them will be first, assuming they are both scum
They do act like town, but less than the other players, so it makes sense

I agree with the second sentence.

Can you vote one of them now? Roll a die if you don't care anyway.

Avoiding this question and answering another....

[geraintm]

I am assuming that you are scum and that I have to vote your partner, not you.

If you are town, then it literally doesn't matter because whoever I choose to vote out of HT/Pav would be scum anyway. If you are scum then I do believe myself and geraint could glean something about your partner's identity based on your vote and reasoning for it.

Pretty much this ^^

[geraintm]

Lol this is fun

I don't have time for deep analysis today, and I have plans for tomorrow, but the deadline is in 2 days 5 hours.

@geraint will you be online 5 hours to deadline to hammer / work out who we want to vote / whatever?
Or do you prefer to work it out yourself and I'll just come in tomorrow/the day after hammer whoever you choose?
Or should I make a special effort to be online tomorrow anyway despite my plans?

Pedit: what do you mean Pav?

I'll post more thoughts tomorrow on my vote, I won't leave it till.last minute

[geraintm]

Votecount 5.5

With 6 players alive, it takes 4 votes to eliminate. Day 5 ends in (expired on 2024-01-30 19:27:15).

Votecount

Hu Tao (2)

- Flavor Leaf,

Pavowski

Pavowski (2)

-

Hu Tao, Purplemango

Not Voting (2)

- DragonEater70, geraintm

i am starting with the assumption that Flavour and Dragon are town.

the current game state, with town and one vote on Hu Toa and 2 votes on Pav, means to me:

If Pav is town, then Hu Tao & Purplemango could have switched over together to eliminate Pav, and then get another kill tonight to win 2 scum vs 2 town.

If Hu Toa is town, then Purple has been waiting day after day for one of me or Dragon to vote Hu Toa and then scum get the win that way.

If Purple is town, then Pav and Hu Toa are sitting there ready to bus their partner but have not tried to get a wagon going on the third option of Purple. i would have expected one of them (pav and Toa) to be voting Purple.

1st option has not happened. So i feel Pav must be scum with the assumptions i have set out.
I am surprised 3rd option they have not tried for one of them to have pushed Purple

How does my logic stand up?
Because i realise i have come to the exact opposite posistion as flavour here on who is scum in the 3 person group of PAv, Hu Toa and Purple.

[geraintm]

I'm confused about the third paragraph in
4029. What do you mean if Pav ia town Hu/Purple could switch to him? They are already on him.

God I think I'm an idiot sometimes.

[geraintm]

Votecount 5.5

With 6 players alive, it takes 4 votes to eliminate. Day 5 ends in (expired on 2024-01-30 19:27:15).

Votecount

Hu Tao (2)

- Flavor Leaf,

Pavowski

Pavowski (2)

-

Hu Tao, Purplemango

Not Voting (2)

- DragonEater70, geraintm

Let's try this again

Scenario 1

Hu toa is town, then Pav and Purple are sitting there waiting for a vote on Hu Toa from me and Dragon.

Scenario 2
If Pav is town, then scum are either waiting for the hu toa wagon to get bored and people switch to Pav

Scenario 3
If Purple is town, then scum are sitting there trying to bus each other.

Is that better?

[geraintm]

Geraint you said you won't vote last minute, but here you are 5 hours to deadline not voting.

Sorry. I have been here. I am stumped with my vote. I don't want to go wrong and I was trying to work out looking at thr current game state if any of the three are more obvious scum

[geraintm]

VOTE: pav

[geraintm]

I think I am still in Pav, Purple, Hu toa in that order.

I have, without expressing it, have had the major fear about Dragon the whole day

[geraintm]

I've tried today to talk through my thoughts (and getting them wrong at points) and being different to Flavour makes me worried.

[geraintm]

Sorry for multplie posts, wanted people to see them as I saw people were online

[geraintm]

Not hammering

This is good
Do you want to swap?

[geraintm]

Idk if he’s going for a win or going for bus credit, though.

Scum me would have voted days ago

[geraintm]

Idk if he’s going for a win or going for bus credit, though.

Scum me would have voted days ago

Why?

Because I get impatient

[geraintm]

Thing is Dragon, I really don’t think Pav kills me two nights in a row.

Geraint would, and I think Hu Tao has a much better time gamestate wise doing so than Pav.

Same with Random.

The Random Nurse kill is very weird if Pav is scum, especially over a Purple or Geraint who was leaning his way, not RN who would have voted with Pav probs.

I would leave you alone because I think you would see me as town.

[geraintm]

You think I would see you as town as scum?

I guess so. But you weren't on my tail so I wouldn't have shot you

[geraintm]

Sorry.