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So slow. Smells like lot of americans in this gme.-
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I agreeIn post 21, Dannflor wrote: Having joined this game specifically to play with outoforder I would rather not eliminate them for the lolz.-
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Im FinlandIn post 39, DarthPunk wrote: Just an fyi for Timezone purposes I’m in Australia.-
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I dont understand why Dann is trying to tie themselves to me, considering i have no idea who they are. Im not too sure of anything yet, but i find this the towniest post in thread so far.In post 56, Luca Blight wrote:Spoiler:
I feel like Dann is trying hard to look Town.
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You can be townIn post 70, SuperfluousNinja wrote:
This feels a little all over the place. The "this was their best post" already tripped my wires since the game is, like, 3 pages old. That's like saying the second verse of the first song of Taylor Swift's new album is the best part of the album while you're listening to it for the first time ever.In post 57, DarthPunk wrote:
This was dann’s best post imoIn post 49, Dannflor wrote:
now, why isn't this a vote instead of an FoSIn post 46, Vivax wrote: This is IML. As soon as a majority is reached, the lunch is served. Drumming for quick votes is more mafia indicative than town indicative. We don‘t have enough information.
Consider this a FoS on Dannflor.
I’m bothered by all the other stuff but maybe that is normal here?
I’m trying to be a bit careful not to jump all over someone for not meeting my high expectations.
But then there's an attempted takesies-backsies with the "I'm trying to be careful" thing. If you want to be careful, it seems like a first sensible step would be to not try and summarize such a small sample size of material.-
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Vivax prolly town too-
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Do you really think i am mafia Vivax?-
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I would claim mason with vivax if i was mason.-
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I like this ninj guy-
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You know what RVS stands for.In post 89, Vivax wrote:
I don´t view myself as above DP, we´re used to doing things differently. I like having him around cause he´s good at keeping my sanity in check, and I just pretend to be his angry chihuahua.In post 85, Dannflor wrote: vivax is there a reason you didn't explain random voting stage to your friend
We´re past RVS now. If RVS was an issue, it´d be an issue for Roden as well. So that´s not the point of discussion we should be having in my opinion.
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yes. quote me up for that as well.In post 83, Dannflor wrote:
you seem to have the idea that voting somewhere equal a hard commitIn post 81, DarthPunk wrote: It’s the start of day one, isn’t this the time of any
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In post 83, Dannflor wrote:
you seem to have the idea that voting somewhere equal a hard commitIn post 81, DarthPunk wrote: It’s the start of day one, isn’t this the time of any
To not necessarily hard commit to things?
are you going to do something in thus game?In post 91, Dannflor wrote: think we'll probably not end up agreeing on that particular point of mafia philosophy-
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this guy is prolly scum.In post 98, Luca Blight wrote:In post 96, Dannflor wrote: UNVOTE: welp i got nothing from all that except a stronger confidence in DarthPunk as town
If you did it for a reaction, why not wait for outoforder's reaction?-
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Dannflor is town anyways so..-
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why???In post 135, Vivax wrote:
I especially like the conclusion of this post, ninja can be town.In post 132, SuperfluousNinja wrote:
You made a legitimate point about how scum are more likely to take things seriously.In post 96, Dannflor wrote: UNVOTE: welp i got nothing from all that except a stronger confidence in DarthPunk as town
Darth argued with you at length about how random voting stage is rather silly, that each and every vote should be taken seriously. In other words, they made a case for why scum might take things seriously and created a space where their actions seem more understandable. They effectively tried to remove this strategy of yours to suspect people if they take things too seriously, which IMO is a totally valid strategy and your logic is sound, which now helps scum look less suspicious in this game if they overreact to things. Darth dispelled a totally valid point you made about something town could use to help find scum.
Your reaction to this was to forgive Darth and back off. Is that not, like, a bit odd? Aren't you concerned that Darth could be playing you here?
Maybe I was wrong in that they can‘t be partnered, some of their attitudes towards each other were over the top but that could also be explained by DP rather siding with me and Dann rather with OOO. Could just be two townies fighting over thread influence too.
Back to work.
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Vibes, I would say 50% correct. It doesnt sit well with me, the post i mean.In post 135, Vivax wrote:
I especially like the conclusion of this post, ninja can be town.In post 132, SuperfluousNinja wrote:
You made a legitimate point about how scum are more likely to take things seriously.In post 96, Dannflor wrote: UNVOTE: welp i got nothing from all that except a stronger confidence in DarthPunk as town
Darth argued with you at length about how random voting stage is rather silly, that each and every vote should be taken seriously. In other words, they made a case for why scum might take things seriously and created a space where their actions seem more understandable. They effectively tried to remove this strategy of yours to suspect people if they take things too seriously, which IMO is a totally valid strategy and your logic is sound, which now helps scum look less suspicious in this game if they overreact to things. Darth dispelled a totally valid point you made about something town could use to help find scum.
Your reaction to this was to forgive Darth and back off. Is that not, like, a bit odd? Aren't you concerned that Darth could be playing you here?
Maybe I was wrong in that they can‘t be partnered, some of their attitudes towards each other were over the top but that could also be explained by DP rather siding with me and Dann rather with OOO. Could just be two townies fighting over thread influence too.
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how do i vote?-
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VOTE: Luca Blight-
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lets murder mafia ok?-
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sorry lets sacamaalalaskljksdaidn mafia ok?-
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There is nothing scummy there.In post 130, SuperfluousNinja wrote:
If you want me to talk more about why I am a little sus of DarthPunk, this reaction is part of the reason why.
Outoforder said a thing about they think Dannflor might be trying to cozy up to them. Dannflor then reacted by voting for Outoforder.
Now you can either look at that as a joke, or you can see that Dannflor is unironically just trying to distance himself from Outoforder. One interpretation is that this was meaningless and another is, IMO, totally understandable. Thus, I don't really get why DarthPunk took so much issue with it. It's scummy to take issue with stuff on flimsy evidence, since scum know they're never going to get solid evidence of anything and thus must jump on even the flimsiest of cases and hope it somehow blows up into something legitimate.
Like it's just weird I guess. It didn't strike me as a scummy activity at all so I guess I just don't follow the thought process that might make someone think it was, other than a very simplified "there's a vote with little rationale behind it, go after it", which isn't much of a case so early in the day.
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It is . Deal with it.In post 92, DarthPunk wrote: If Random voting is some part of the metagame here then that is the most absurd thing I have ever heard.-
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In post 92, DarthPunk wrote: If Random voting is some part of the metagame here then that is the most absurd thing I have ever heard.this guy is probably mafia #2
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Explain please?In post 141, Naerys wrote:
Curious, i personally got town vibes from lucaIn post 139, outoforder wrote:
this guy is prolly scum.In post 98, Luca Blight wrote:In post 96, Dannflor wrote: UNVOTE: welp i got nothing from all that except a stronger confidence in DarthPunk as town
If you did it for a reaction, why not wait for outoforder's reaction?
You are queuing up for #3 atm ^^-
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Luca is just commenting, they are not trying to solve.-
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Like we have all this shit with Vivax, DP, Ninja dude, Dann, etc,...
I can see those people trying to solve (even if bad).
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now idk why Naerys would say that if mafia with Luca.
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HBD DarthPunk! <3-
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shit youre so goodIn post 159, Dannflor wrote: outoforder can be town-
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you. why do you think it's Dann?-
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Hmm i have to work on my quoting posts on this site..
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Posts like this.In post 162, gob wrote:
why the attitude my friend?In post 160, outoforder wrote:
shit youre so goodIn post 159, Dannflor wrote: outoforder can be town
Do you think my "attitude" or whatever makes me mafia?
If not, why even comment on that.
How do you think you have furthered the game along? Who is mafia, if Dunn, why?-
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Does this check out?In post 165, gob wrote:
usually when he does the random callouts “x js town” or “x is scum,” he is mafia. Its how he tries to look liek hes doing somethingIn post 163, outoforder wrote: you. why do you think it's Dann?-
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I will let you press me for more info.
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idk if gob is mafia tbh, but Luca is.In post 179, SuperfluousNinja wrote: My last quote got screwed up, but outoforder was the one who said "this guy is probably mafia #2" and I'm hoping for more of an explanation on that opinion.-
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I would like you to press me more on this please.In post 173, SuperfluousNinja wrote:In post 149, outoforder wrote:
There is nothing scummy there.In post 130, SuperfluousNinja wrote:
If you want me to talk more about why I am a little sus of DarthPunk, this reaction is part of the reason why.
Outoforder said a thing about they think Dannflor might be trying to cozy up to them. Dannflor then reacted by voting for Outoforder.
Now you can either look at that as a joke, or you can see that Dannflor is unironically just trying to distance himself from Outoforder. One interpretation is that this was meaningless and another is, IMO, totally understandable. Thus, I don't really get why DarthPunk took so much issue with it. It's scummy to take issue with stuff on flimsy evidence, since scum know they're never going to get solid evidence of anything and thus must jump on even the flimsiest of cases and hope it somehow blows up into something legitimate.
Like it's just weird I guess. It didn't strike me as a scummy activity at all so I guess I just don't follow the thought process that might make someone think it was, other than a very simplified "there's a vote with little rationale behind it, go after it", which isn't much of a case so early in the day.
I don't know Dannflor from before, how do you take that?
I dunno? None of my takes have been based on anything that happened in any games previous to this one. If you and Dannflor had some long and storied history with one another, I'd still hope that you evaluated his thoughts and actions in the context of this game and not biased by previous ones. I don't have any history with anyone here, but speaking for myself, if I did, I'd honestly do everything in my power to forget it and force myself to judge their thoughts and actions in this game and this game alone.
I'm not sure what to make of everything you just said and did. You offered a lot of opinions but hardly any rationale for any of it. I don't think any of us are particularly concerned with exactly what you believe as we are with WHY you believe it.
Like let me press you for more info on a few things, give me a moment...
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Hmm okay, in that post, you saidIn post 183, SuperfluousNinja wrote: May I introduce to you Post 177? lol
1) Luca is not mafia because you agreed with him, and you backed it up with whatsomeone else (Dann) did...
2) I think Dann is town because he would most likely not be so blatantly tying himself up with a townie here. It might cause him problems, as i see it.
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Not solving.In post 184, Vivax wrote: ISOing Luca cause I didn‘t really see how he‘s scum (so far) like Outoforder is suggesting. Seems I missed the question.
I didn‘t wait, it‘s how I found the thread when I opened it.In post 59, Luca Blight wrote:In post 20, Vivax wrote:I could get behind this vote. I don`t see where the assumption I was scared came from if not from within.
VOTE: OutofOrder
(Hey DP, I think they`re trying to tell us we have to vote for him. I´m not sure but these people might be a cannibal tribe)
Why did you wait for someone else to vote first if you found this suspect from Outoforder?
If I can find a reason to vote for him I will. The notion that I was scared from you didn‘t compute. Giddy would have been more accurate.
Can‘t finish the ISO currently but I wouldn‘t mind outoforder expanding on why Luca is scum.
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This is probably the worst reason ever to vote for anyone, but also not mafia reason lolIn post 185, gob wrote: Lets discuss something important...
Roden voted Vivax
Naerys voted OoO
Dannfloor Vivax
Vivax OoO
These are the first votes in the game. Generally mafia wants to establish distancing earlier.
Roden and Dann voted Vivax.
Naerys voted OoO
Vivax voted OoO.
Given that Vivax was voted twice and also voted for someone, they are the person who gives the most info, and is the most likely to be wolf as well.
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Yeah statistically i can be mafia, you can be mafia, anyone can be mafia.
Using statistics to prove someone is mafia is bad. Because it does not work like that.-
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Morning. Gonna catch up soon, Saturday is a board game day so i am a little bit behind.-
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First of all i am a player that doesnt explain myself fully when i feel like there is no need to do that. I assume people can read between the lines well enough (since this is a mafia game) to find the intentions behind the posting, or at least make interpretations of them, right or wrong (but you can still figure out if they are genuine or not.
Now for Dann's comment on me. My interpretation of the situation is, that i don't think Dann would make that (tieing up to me) as mafia. I am not saying that's something mafia wouldnt do, because it is. I am saying Dann wouldnt do that to me (while yes, i fully understand it was ironic post). That's because Dann doesn't know me, and Dann doesn't know how i will react to that post. Who is to say i wont see that as trying to pocket me (that wouldnt be unreasonable), and while he can still claim it's a joke post that doesnt matter as he has already taken some unnecessary heat on him, just look at what happened.
For this whole thing that went on, i found Luca scummy. Why do i say that? It's because of this. Here's what Dann said about his vote and unvote after discussing with DP:my vote was not because they "called me out for creating an association" (what exactly would be the benefit of me doing that anyway?)I wanted to see what people would assume of my vote if I left out the explanationit might simply be a case of me not making my parody clear enough, outoforder having a more serious personality, or the worst case scenario... i just wasn't funny.
Like in the last posti don't think the vote carries a lot of weight now that ive talked about the process behind ithe literally explainswhy he unvotes me.
After that Luca makes this post:
I don't understand this. All the information is there already for him to make an educated guess on if Dann's posts are being honest or not. He seems just wanting to press the issue because other people are/were pressing the issue. I understand he is being reasonable, but being reasonable doesn't exclude anyone from being mafia. Hell most of the time mafia wants to be reasonable, but this is like... idk overly reasonable lol. Luca hereIn post 103, Luca Blight wrote:In post 102, Dannflor wrote: I just didn't feel like my vote on outoforder was very well placed after talking to both you and DarthPunk
aside from that it was largely for show, i wanted to share where my reads were at
Does that mean you've changed your opinion on outoforder?should have all the necessary informationto make a call on Dann's posting on the matter and my alignment (or what Dann thinks about it now),should notmatter there.
Other posts after that that worry me from Luca:
I don't want to give townreads this early but hey let's call almost half of the game town.In post 196, Luca Blight wrote: I'm not one for spewing my townreads early on, especially when they tend to be fairly consensus reads, but I'm currently leaning Town on Ninja, Vivax, Darth and outoforder. I still don't feel great about Dann's posts at the moment. Gob tonally seems quite townie but is probably the sort of player I will have a hard time reading D1. No-one else has left much of an impression yet.
He thinks Roden vs Oats is S/S, but for some reason he wants Oats to focus on gob rather than Roden?????
Roden is scum because he is aggressive, defensive and power wolfing.
Dann before his 374 post is possibly mafia because he is nice.
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I am not saying inconsistencies are purely a mafia trait. Regarding Luca's town reads, i don't understand why he posts 5 town reads while saying he doesn't want to post town reads too early, and also while thinking both Roden and Oats are mafia. Is that his best use of time, rather than idk.. questioning his scumreads or something? And also when he does that, why does he want Oats to discuss gob??? Like the best situation interaction-wise a townie can get to, is to make mafia tell why another mafia is mafia.
Same here with Dann's comment on Dunstrall. It's very easy to see what Dann sees. There is a lot of content in the game so far. Why does Dunstrall think discussing lurkers is the most interesting point of discussion at the time?-
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Anyways here is where i basically stand at the moment:
Town:
Dannflor
Vivax
Oatsmaster
gob
Roden
Probs town:
DarthPunk
Scummers be here:
Luca Blight
Dunnstral
Naerys
SuperfluousNinja
Hu Tao
Replaced:
MalcolmTucker
My problem is, while Dann's case on Ninja is good and reasonably sound, currently pretty much all of my scum pool agree with that.
So basically i am either very wrong, or if Ninja is mafia, there's probably one mafia agreeing with the case and then the Malcolm slot.
I have some reservations, but i would like to wait for Ninja to give her opinion on what Dann said, before going deeper on this.-
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Because youre good playing as mafia.-
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I understand your point, and i completely understand on surface level your posting during the time.In post 463, Luca Blight wrote:Spoiler:
I don't understand what you're trying to say in your last paragraph, but the reason I asked the question was because, at the time, I wasn't sure as to Dann's real motivations/intentions behind the push/subsequent unvote. It felt as though he had taken some pressure for it and was in the process of backing off and underplaying it, despite having aired some seemingly genuine reasons to scumread you previously, so I found the choice of words 'not very well placed', referring to his vote on you, to be interesting and I sought clarification as to whether he had actually changed his opinion on you based on the reactions he received to his vote, seeing as you hadn't posted in the meantime. I was also considering the fact that Dann had been championing the general act of voting rather than not voting, so this move just struck me as pretty counter-intuitive at the time as well.
Basically, I held a light suspicion that Dann was caving to the pressure a little that made him react in a way I didn't see as natural in the context, which is why I wanted to press him a little further on the issue. This is redundant now as Dann's recent posting has been very townie.
However, what idont understandis why you couldnt figure this out earlier (your last post i quoted on the matter). For me it looked very clear what Dann was doing.
- He made a joke (again i dont get why he even would do that as mafia --a joke in that way)
- He got pressed on his "pressure vote" (or whatever) on me
- He realised this isnt doing what it was supposed to do (which is reasonable), so he backed off of it so that the thread doesn't fill up with "nonsense"
- He explained why he did what he did, and why he backed off of it
Again, i don't see what my alignment has to do here. That was not Dann's point. Regardless of what Dann thinks of my alignment, this whole thing doesn't help him to figure out my alignment -- if anything it just causes more confusion in the thread. It's a pretty simple interpretation of the situation, yet for some reason i read you wanting to continue this confusion by making him over-explain things that you should already deduce from what had been said.
If you don't "normally" solve by giving townreads at the time, then what made you think to post them just because i said you're not solving (after all that's not even what i meant)? If you don't think that's good town play for you, why did you decide to do it, if you're not sure of yourself to give those reads at any level of confidence at that time?In post 465, Luca Blight wrote:
This quote of mine was literally in response to you accusing me of not 'solving'. I don't normally solve by giving townreads willy-nilly, but I did it for the benefit of showing where my thought-process was at given your accusation.In post 451, outoforder wrote: Other posts after that that worry me from Luca:
I don't want to give townreads this early but hey let's call almost half of the game town.In post 196, Luca Blight wrote: I'm not one for spewing my townreads early on, especially when they tend to be fairly consensus reads, but I'm currently leaning Town on Ninja, Vivax, Darth and outoforder. I still don't feel great about Dann's posts at the moment. Gob tonally seems quite townie but is probably the sort of player I will have a hard time reading D1. No-one else has left much of an impression yet.
He thinks Roden vs Oats is S/S, but for some reason he wants Oats to focus on gob rather than Roden?????
Roden is scum because he is aggressive, defensive and power wolfing.
Dann before his 374 post is possibly mafia because he is nice.
Like what other traits there basically is ?
I don't 'want' Oats to focus on Gob than Roden? try reading that part again as you've completely missed the point.
Do all scum play Mafia in the same way? Your last point is quite absurd.
Then why did you ask multiple times if Oats also meta'd gob? What's the point? I mean, at that point you think Oats and Roden are both mafia and gob is possibly not mafia. Do you think mafia!Oats goes all the way meta'ing mafia!Roden, they pick a huge fight with each other, but then Oats refuses to meta EITHER town! or mafia!gob???? Why would he refuse to meta town!gob? He already did that to his mafia teammate, why in any world does he NOT go meta gob and come to whatever conclusion? Same if gob is mafia with Oats (yet i think claiming all Oats, Roden and gob are mafia is just ridiculous and Oats would have made probably the worst play ever seen at the start of the game).I just simply don't understand how your questions are very reasonable regarding the situation where those three people were -- or in situation where they have put themselves.
Not all mafia pay the same way. But you don't offer much of explanation for how that behavior comes from mafia. Being aggressive or defensive is not in itself a mafia trait. Being nice is not a mafia trait. Basically almost anything could be considered as "power wolfing" (i don't really even know what that means, it sounds stupid). I mean like you are being defensive here. People are defensive when they are accused of being mafia. Does that make you mafia?-
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You literally said this, so i don't know what else to think other than you seem to be thinking they are or could be mafia with each other.In post 270, Luca Blight wrote: I don't resonate with Roden's level of conviction at all here, nor do I think he really believes it himself.
Although it wouldn't surprise me if Oats/Roden is S/S - this whole interaction feels contrived to me.
If you don't believe they are mafia together at this point, why say so?-
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I don't think Roden picks up the fight with Oats (from his part) they way he does as mafia. He has all the avenues to pursue there that actually make him look good and Oats bad, yet he chooses to act like that. I simply just don't think he addresses the whole situation with Oats like he did.In post 464, DarthPunk wrote: I have no idea why you think Rosen and gob are town btw.
Can you explain that cause I must of missed it
I also don't think gob ends up voting Vivax withthat reasoningas mafia. I simply just refuse to believe mafia made that vote post on Vivax.-
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Fine Luca, maybe i believe your point on Oats / Roden.
It's just that when i see someone saying "this looks like S/S interaction", i believe they think both are mafia.-
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Please don't do this if youre town. I am trying to understand why you are coming to the conclusions and why you feel the need to post what you post.In post 472, Luca Blight wrote:In post 469, outoforder wrote:
You literally said this, so i don't know what else to think other than you seem to be thinking they are or could be mafia with each other.In post 270, Luca Blight wrote: I don't resonate with Roden's level of conviction at all here, nor do I think he really believes it himself.
Although it wouldn't surprise me if Oats/Roden is S/S - this whole interaction feels contrived to me.
If you don't believe they are mafia together at this point, why say so?
It was my initial reaction to the interaction. I even used the expression 'it wouldn't surprise me', so why are you trying to frame this as me being convinced that they are scum partners?
This is why I don't think your recent analysis is in good faith - I could see where you were coming from with your opening push, but now it feels like you're nitpicking anything to justify maintaining your read on me.
I already said i can see your PoV from town perspective regarding Oats/Roden. I also thinkit's possibleyou are coming from town PoV regarding Dann.
However, you cannot just take one part of a case that's wrong andbecause of that only, try to brush the whole thing away. That's something i find scummy tbh. Take one part of the case where you know you are right and discredit everything else because of it. That's not how it works. I'm here to figure out yours and everyone's alignment, and i am pressing things that i feel like are alignment indicative. If something was not, it doesn't mean the person is not mafia, especially when there are other things that concern me on that person.
Now i would still like you to explain how:
- If you don't "normally" solve by giving townreads at the time, then what made you think to post them just because i said you're not solving (after all that's not even what i meant)?If you don't think that's good town play for you, why did you decide to do it, if you're not sure of yourself to give those reads at any level of confidence at that time? Just because i am voting for you, should not be a reason. If someone asked me to do things i don't find helpful doing as town, i wouldn't do it. Why would i?
- If the above is something you did as town, why do you think Roden is mafia partly because he is being "defensive"? Because i would say the above there is way more "scummy defensive" than what Roden did towards Oats. Like if you believe being defensive is a scummy trait, wouldn't you consider yourself defensive towards my accusation (when there should be no reason for you to be defensive in your mind -- unlessyou actually think you are not solving the game, which you shouldn't as town)-
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What makes you to go from this:
to this...In post 208, Hu Tao wrote:
I agree that Luca doesn't looks scummy like OoO is saying but I did like one post from him so far.In post 199, Vivax wrote: But you also think Luca looks scummy when he seems like the sanest person itt so meh, you might be mafia after all.
VOTE: outoforder
?In post 223, Hu Tao wrote: Maybe OoO but like I said I don't have much of a strong read-
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Is this why you think Roden is mafia, Luca?In post 295, Luca Blight wrote: Defensive: 234, 248 (btw, I think Oats' comment in 237 was fair and reflected my own thoughts at the time, hence my vote)
Aggressive/Potential Power-wolfing: 263, 264, 268, 274
Yes, you later walked this back by saying you weren't being entirely serious, but that in itself I find somewhat suspect.-
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Hey Vivax what's up?-
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