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[RobCapone]

Hi Ash. No mislynchings plz.

so we should lynch you amirite?

hi zito, been a long time since we played together.

[RobCapone]

hey ice

[RobCapone]

Don't worry, soon enough the madness will start. And then the death will rain down.

orly?

[RobCapone]

Will there be cupcakes? I like cupcakes.

I like this guy

[RobCapone]

I like this guy

What guy?

This guy... All this guy right here. *Waves*

Yeah the cup cake guy

[RobCapone]

Lets get this over 5 pages before the game even starts. That'd be pretty .

that's about 84 more posts to go, this site couldn't handle that kind of posting.

Finally I play a game with Zito, he can confirm the site I normally play is like 10 times the pace of this place, day 1 typically lasts 20 to 40 pages and if you go away for a day, you spend forever trying to catch back up.

but I'm game, let's get posting people

[RobCapone]

cheesecake FTW

[RobCapone]

Finally I play a game with Zito, he can confirm the site I normally play is like 10 times the pace of this place, day 1 typically lasts 20 to 40 pages and if you go away for a day, you spend forever trying to catch back up.

And there's no iso.

Or even a preview button.

yes this, makes it impossible to find the scummy posts, luckily I have a horrible memory

[RobCapone]

Sounds like a site I play mafia at.

We have one mafia thread with 600 pages of one of the games I have run.

lol where is that?

[RobCapone]

Finally I play a game with Zito, he can confirm the site I normally play is like 10 times the pace of this place, day 1 typically lasts 20 to 40 pages and if you go away for a day, you spend forever trying to catch back up.

And there's no iso.

Or even a preview button.

yes this, makes it impossible to find the scummy posts, luckily I have a horrible memory

oh and there is no such thing as a RVS, the entire game is RVS

this was the hardest part of my transition to here, I come from a place where personal insults are expected to this place where you can't say a single curse word without risk of being mod-killed

tbh nobody gets mod-killed where I played, even if the rules were blatantly broken.

[RobCapone]

The trick is to swear at no one in particular. Post 60 ftw! So what is the post count per page here again? 20?

25.

And I've... failed at that one too.

I believe the trick is to keep it civil and try not to make people feel like shit. I've insulted people too because of this game, and it's going to happen from time to time if you have any sort of temper.

yeah but over there it is the same 15 to 20 guys playing each game so it's like a fraternity, and you know how you do with your boys, you call them gay and make jokes about their momma and what not.

but it's better than epic mafia, that place is horrid, but I play anyway

[RobCapone]

No once the game starts I bet people start lurking:D

[RobCapone]

The game hasn't even started and I'm already lurking!

Lynch all lurkers is the only policy I like

[RobCapone]

I have avatars turned off to make it easier on my iPhone so you all look the same to me

[RobCapone]

Maybe I should do that on my dsi.....would make it a whole 10 seconds faster!!!

So....hasn't everyone voted to start this thing by now?

You really browse on your dsi?

lol

[RobCapone]

I was one of the first to vote I think

[RobCapone]

Fuck yeah

[RobCapone]

I didn't vote. I like waiting and I love making others wait.

clearly you missed scum wants to delay the start of the game, so this doesn't look good for you. besides generally making you look like a dick

[RobCapone]

I didn't vote. I like waiting and I love making others wait.

I will give everyone a door prize if we put him at L-2 before page 6.

I can agree with that. RVS is over before it even started.

i'm down for a vote

[RobCapone]

no I said clearly you missed it, proven by the fact that after somebody posted that you posted that you didn't vote on purpose, it had no indication that you were actually scum because I don't know that yet, but it's a good place to start when the game starts.

[RobCapone]

Good, mission accomplished

[RobCapone]

vote: erratus

waiting sucks

[RobCapone]

VOTE: RobCapone

OH MY GOD YOU SUCK

[RobCapone]

A case based on something before the game started? Good luck with that

[RobCapone]

Somehow I didn't think we could get to L-1 so quickly....XD

Errant - if you weren't at L-1 already I'd vote for you myself. You posted a rather unfortunate message about wanting to delay the game, then post an OMGUS vote and THEN say you had a case? Wow........

He isn't at L-1, he only has like 3 votes, maybe 4

[RobCapone]

now Erratus is at L-1

[RobCapone]

Oh yes. My vote sucks. Along with the six other people voting for him.

to be fair you did put him at an unannounced L-1 and admitted you sheeped

[RobCapone]

I do see that you are new here, yes L-1 was one more to lynch and depending who you talk to sheeping is scummy.

question, why jump in to a big boy game and not start in a newbie game to learn the ropes?

[RobCapone]

Wow, that's... quite an appeal to emotion you got there. You're not even under pressure there, chief. Maybe you ought to be.

Unvote, Vote: wikkiden

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thanks, this made it a lot easier

Vote Bill

AtE isn't a scum tell and using buzzwords to try and get someone lynched is scummy

[RobCapone]

Bill, real quick

you are using a null tell to make wikki seem scummy and only using that reason for your vote is a failure to scum hunt

my vote is noticing you aren't scum hunting and using a null tell to make wikki seem scummy. If you had other reasons you should have posted them at the time of your vote, but using AtE alone is not reason to lynch anyone.

@ wikki - I am perplexed now

earlier you made this comment

o; Well this is my first game, technically. :3 I'm placed in a noobie game. But izzz too slow for meeeee. I play on epicmafia all the time though. My scumdar is top quality. >:]

but towards the beginning of confirmation stage you made this comment

I can't believe none of you remember me. V.V I guess I'm just the easy to forget type. *Sigh* /tear.

something doesn't sit right, either this is your first game or you are an alt and actually have been here a while, if you truly are new how would anyone remember you?

[RobCapone]

Oh forgot to say something

lol at you zito if you think the speed of a wagon clears that person

[RobCapone]

1. I beleive I pointed out a similar contradiction from the person you are talking about, but that is definitly what it seems, a contradiction. If he is an alt than he should say he is

2. I don't feel rob's play this game is the same as that game. He seemed to ignore the game completely til called out, here he seems to be scum hunting a bit, I'd put him on town's side

3. Not sure if I beleive you and if true why the hell would you claim that now, but tbh Bill, erratus , and Barry probably

[RobCapone]

Your questions weren't directed at anyone, I assumed you were asking everyone. Apologies

[RobCapone]

And that is a horrible role with a day 1 only restriction, I need to get on this setup review board cause I'd not let that role fly

[RobCapone]

^ iphone works

[RobCapone]

Subs, play more, read wiki less

those scum tells became invalid the moment they were posted

unvote, vote subs

I have been trying to tell if subs was just newbish cause he sounds alot like how I played when I first joined, but seeing he has been here since 2008(regardless if he "hasn't played in a while") he should not be playing like this if he is town, so I have to assume he probably isn't and just trying to play it off that isn't working.

[RobCapone]

RobCapone can die too.

Can I get a good case on subgenius? His play doesn't qualify as a good reason for me.

hey there mr. lurker, why don't you make a case for the person you are voting for because the reason you gave doesn't qualify as a good reason for me.

btw I think I am the 2nd person who you said can die, this comment doesn't catapult you to the automatic town category btw, if anything you are purposely avoiding content posting by making ridiculous statements.

btw you said in an earlier post that every mistake you make, sub posts lol scum and that you don't care about pleasing him anymore

trying to please somebody to me seems like trying to act town, if you are town than you should not be trying to please anyone
also if sub kept calling you scum, what is the problem with lynching him?

[RobCapone]

That quote of mine wasn't pushing your lynch as it was questioning his stance

if someone calls me scum, I don't defend that person's wagon

that is essentially what hiraki has done, I don't care if he votes you but he asks for reasons why people are voting you, when his reason for his vote is essentially nonsense.

[RobCapone]

There is no rule that says we can't end the day early, the deadline is there to make surecwe don't go too long but if a consensus is reached earlier, there is nothing wrong with that.

And you bringing it up doesn't help your position at all.

[RobCapone]

it seems like you are trying to stall the inevitable and hope something happens to get the attention off of you, the deadline means nothing in the grand scheme of things if people are convinced you are scum.

[RobCapone]

P.S. If mockingjaye flips scum Rob must be turbolynched with extreme prejudice.

this makes no sense whatsoever

[RobCapone]

ok can't wait

[RobCapone]

zito how do you go from supporting a subs wagon to trying to de-rail it when he is L-2, just curious

[RobCapone]

but you supported his wagon and now it is at L-2 you seem to be avoiding it, idk just doesn't make sense to me.

[RobCapone]

that is essentially what hiraki has done, I don't care if he votes you but he asks for reasons why people are voting you, when his reason for his vote is essentially nonsense.

Not really. But nice defense. Noted when Bill flips scum.

not really isn't really a valid response, your reason is nonsense and if you are going to ask people to make cases, you shoudl be willing to do the same. so make a case on the person you are voting for

if someone calls me scum, I don't defend that person's wagon

Yeah that's not really smart. That's just getting butt-hurt really.

no it isn't getting but-hurt, I may not attack the person who is accusing me of being scum, but I am damn sure am not going to defend them. your defending subs makes no sense and you haven't provided reasons for why he is not scum. and again you have not provided anything valid for your vote. My reasoning may not make sense to you, but I don't have to convince you of my reason for my vote.

it seems like you are trying to stall the inevitable and hope something happens to get the attention off of you, the deadline means nothing in the grand scheme of things if people are convinced you are scum.

What's your point? You said this randomly and actually it's gotten me annoyed.

I didn't say this randomly, he brought it up like it actually means something. the fact that we have a long deadline means nothing and doesn't mean that if we suspect someone of scum, we should wait out the entire 2 weeks before lynching him

but you supported his wagon and now it is at L-2 you seem to be avoiding it, idk just doesn't make sense to me.

He's not really avoiding it though.

Yeah so RobCapone or Bill. Take your pick please.

um yes he said he supports a Sub wagon and now there is one, he wants to move focus off of it. that is scummy play, added that Zito hasn't really provided anything of value and hasn't scum hunted is yet another reason I pointed it out.

Just to say, if anyone was wondering, here was my initial reasoning for wanting Rob as dead as Bill.

Subs, play more, read wiki less

those scum tells became invalid the moment they were posted

unvote, vote subs

I have been trying to tell if subs was just newbish cause he sounds alot like how I played when I first joined, but seeing he has been here since 2008(regardless if he "hasn't played in a while") he should not be playing like this if he is town, so I have to assume he probably isn't and just trying to play it off that isn't working.

But um.

You could press that name(subgenius). And you'd be able to go to his profile.

And search his posts.

And find that he's played barely any games.

Also, "he should not be playing like this if he is town"

What the hell is that supposed to mean? Are town people supposed to act like all town people? You're making no sense, assuming with no information, and you're voting him because scumtells from the Wiki apparently are invalid the moment that he posted in here. Does something not make sense here, or is it everything?

I don't know how many game he has played on the old mafiascum site and you really can't check. plus I didn't think I had to check his game log when I saw he was here since 2008.

but back to the other question, town can act however he wants but to me he seems like he is trying to earn town points when he makes comments like this

For copying Bill's FoS, even after Barry explained his mistake and put his vote where his mouth is. Trying to appear townie by mirroring others is a definite scum tell.

Casting the vote to bring someone to L-1 less than a page into D1 would not be a good move for blending in. FoS is subtler and less likely to attract attention.

Before I get called out on this misreading,

I'll go ahead and admit that Hiraki's reasoning makes more sense than I originally thought,

Cool, then let the record show that I wish to have my earlier apology stricken from the record. I am now back to my original level of finger pointing at Hiraki.

As far as I know, the only people that know whether or not this is true are Erratus and scum...

I knew people were going to pile on you for your pre-game post, and I think you deserved the scrutiny, but I felt no need to hop aboard your band wagon when it almost certainly wasn't going to amount to anything and others were going to say what needed to be said anyway.

I standby my comment. Acting like you know someone is town is scummy, especially since a hypothetical cop wouldn't have had an investigation yet. If my vote wasn't already on Hiraki, I'd be perfectly willing to vote for Papa Zito.

this one in particular because he has said that in his mind declaring someone as town is scummy and a scumtell, so if he truly thought that, that is far worse than anything hiraki had done and should have been reason enough to take his vote off of him.

Grey is town, you going to lynch me for saying that?

If I thought there was any probability that you're serious, I might.

again if he thought Ash was serious he said he might lynch him, by his reaction, he thinks Zito was serious, yet no vote for him. If he is willing to lynch somebody who seriously makes that comment, than the fact that he doesn't was supicious to me, especially because his case on Hiraki isn't very convincing. At least vote Zito and get him to defend himself for that comment, instead he lets Zito fly right by making a "scum tell"

This seems like putting on blinders to me. If Zito wants to privately assume Erratus is town, that's his business, but I think issuing a proclamation that so-and-so is town is unhelpful at best and scummy at worst. Unhelpful because it's artificially putting an end to a conversation that might lead somewhere, scummy because it conveys a certainty that a townie simply can't have.

so again he thinks zito has done something scummy , but doesn't pursue it

lso, they have both since directed posts at folks who voted elsewhere that would seem to be urging them to put the final votes on me.

and this point was a 100% complete misrep of me, I can't say about the other person, but my post was more trying to get an explanation from the person, not trying to get them to vote for subs.

[RobCapone]

and to add one more, sub's vote for Barry makes no sense at all, especially when he makes this comment shortly after

Jesus H. Christ, go ahead and keep ignoring what I'm actually saying. I'm almost absolutely certain that either you or Rob is scum. Probably not both, but I'd be SHOCKED if one of you doesn't turn up as mafia. Clever use of my free straw man, btw.

if he is convinced that one of us are scum, why isn't he voting for one of us, why vote for Barry for a reason that I don't even understand

[RobCapone]

they are my opinion, if it's WIFOM, oh well, WIFOM isn't even a scumtell anyway.

in my mind I use what is scummy to me, and those posts were scummy to me.

[RobCapone]

@ sub - I don't think I did what you say I did, in attempt to get fence sitters to vote you, however if I genuinely think you are scummy, what is wrong with that? If I think you are scummy I am going to try and get others to vote for you. Fence sitting to me is a scummy behavior anyway so if someone like hayker came out of the blue and voted you, i'd be suspicious of him.

I still find it odd that you are pushing for Hiraki's lynch and he is defending your wagon and I was questioning that because it is suspicious to me

[RobCapone]

Hiraki used the word town when asking me a question, so I used the word town in my response back to him, not a slip

[RobCapone]

There is no rule that says we can't end the day early, the deadline is there to make surecwe don't go too long but if a consensus is reached earlier, there is nothing wrong with that.

For one, we don't have a consensus, and for another, we have 2 players who have not contributed anything at all. Ending the day would be very premature right now. Town generally benefits from more discussion anyway, so I don't get why you're suggesting a lynch already when day 1 has been going on for less than a week.

yeah I agree there are more people who need to participate, but I am not going to not vote to lynch the person I think is scum, because we are waiting to get those people to talk. and just because a person is at L-2 it doesn't mean that he will be lynched quickly.

using Zito's theory about errant, he declared errant town because his wagon grew quickly, I am not a big fan of using speed of a wagon to mean anything, but assume that train of thought is valid, than Sub's wagon was slower to develop and people are trying hard to start sub-wagons or direct attention from him, wouldn't that be a sign that this is most likely a scum wagon?

[RobCapone]

not really isn't really a valid response, your reason is nonsense and if you are going to ask people to make cases, you shoudl be willing to do the same. so make a case on the person you are voting for

Well good thing I didn't ask you to make a case, and I did make a case. This is just a notation. I don't need to make a case for anyone really.

technically you did ask for a case, you were vague at who you directed it to but you did ask for a case

RobCapone can die too.

Can I get a good case on subgenius? His play doesn't qualify as a good reason for me.

also this point -

I don't need to make a case for anyone really.

actually you should be able to make a case on the person you are voting for if you are town, especially if somebody asks you to. refusal to make a case IS a scumtell

no it isn't getting but-hurt, I may not attack the person who is accusing me of being scum, but I am damn sure am not going to defend them. your defending subs makes no sense and you haven't provided reasons for why he is not scum. and again you have not provided anything valid for your vote. My reasoning may not make sense to you, but I don't have to convince you of my reason for my vote.

Person X calls you scum. Person Z says he has an innocent on you and a guilty on confirmed town, Person X. I do believe that you should defend Person X.

This is valid because you're ignoring and being anti-town. That's good enough for me to vote.

but your example isn't valid because we don't have an investigative role claiming anyone is innocent and nobody is cleared town.

if player A is being accused of being scum by player B, and player B has a wagon on him, I do not expect player A to defend player B. that is what you are doing and it makes no sense.

I didn't say this randomly, he brought it up like it actually means something. the fact that we have a long deadline means nothing and doesn't mean that if we suspect someone of scum, we should wait out the entire 2 weeks before lynching him

Great. You can think. Obviously we shouldn't quicklynch anyone. It's kind of already known that we're not.

i am not advocating a quick lynch, and this wagon isn't anything close to a quick lynch. Errant's wagon was a perfect example of a quick lynch.

um yes he said he supports a Sub wagon and now there is one, he wants to move focus off of it. that is scummy play, added that Zito hasn't really provided anything of value and hasn't scum hunted is yet another reason I pointed it out.

Right. Because applying pressure is now scummy. Noted. If you honestly thought he wanted to lynch that quickly, then I sigh.

ooh you sighed

I don't know how many game he has played on the old mafiascum site and you really can't check. plus I didn't think I had to check his game log when I saw he was here since 2008.

but back to the other question, town can act however he wants but to me he seems like he is trying to earn town points when he makes comments like this

1. Okay. But what's your point? Are you honestly going to lynch him on the basis of that?

2. The use of the word town makes me quite wary of a slip, me spies.

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1. no I am not, I posted a whole entire post of things about him I found scummy
2. as I said in a post already, your question to me used the word town so I used the word town in my response

[RobCapone]

@sub - wht don't you get,

you accused me of trying to get fence sitters to vote you but I have not done that. how many times do I have to explain the same thing over and over again.

my question was trying to get hiraki to explain the reason why he is defending the person that is calling him scum, it doesn't make sense.

[RobCapone]

were you trying to imply those were contradictions? cause I posted my reasons for voting you aka my case

Hiraki's only reason for voting bill can be found here - http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 8#p2799388

and that statement from Bill isn't enough of a resaon in my mind to vote him and to stay on him the entire game so far.

also since that vote he really hasn't done anything else to try and convince others that Bill is scum.

[RobCapone]

So you're admitting that you already knew he posted his reasons, maybe ones that aren't up to your standards, but we've already established that according to you, no player is under any obligation to make their reasons convincing to other players (or does that only apply to you?), yet you're accusing him of committing a scum tell by not making a case. Neat.

can you pay attention please?

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 1#p2804051

RobCapone can die too.

Can I get a good case on subgenius? His play doesn't qualify as a good reason for me.

hey there mr. lurker,

why don't you make a case for the person you are voting for because the reason you gave doesn't qualify as a good reason for me.

he is voting him based on 1 comment he said, which wasn't a scum slip or even suspicious comment, hence not a valid enough reason, that was also way back on page 6 and he hasn't done anything else to add to his reasons or do anything else to try and get that person lynched.

which is why I asked him to make a case, since he asked somebody to make a case on you, he should surely be able to do the same thing if asked, yet he refused.

[RobCapone]

this makes no sense whatsoever

Oh, it makes perfect sense. But we'll get to that later.

Please get to this now before you have time to make a case.

welcome to the game, this is your first post in 3 days and that is all you comment on?

god I hate lurkers

[RobCapone]

if by actively campaigning for it, you mean asking hiraki to explain his actions of defending subs or calling out Zito for advocating a subs wagon but refusing to be on it and now distracting from it with a vote on someone who isn't lurking, it is someone who clearly isn't playing and has now asked for a replacement, than yeah I am guilty of campaigning for his lynch

however I don't consider that campaigning a lynch but more pointing out behavior that doesn't make sense.

if zito wants to go after a lurker, hayker is a much better candidate because he has actually made plenty of posts before the game actually started, but once it started he has made only 2 posts

1. questions hiraki's FOS
2. asks zito to explain his comment

I look at behavior and what makes sense to me, and right now those 2 don't make sense to me

p. edit - good to hear hayker

[RobCapone]

And I'm not voting him, I just want him to do what he has asked others to do

I explained the reason for my vote on you, posting examples of things you said that seem scummy to me

I'm just trying to get hiraki to do the same, he refused which is the scum tell, he says he doesn't have to make a case which is 100% false.

[RobCapone]

bill, were your ears ringing? that was awfully convenient by the way

[RobCapone]

Question @ Zito: Why were you so quick to clear Erratus like that? It was a bandwagon that was pretty much guaranteed to happen with what was said pre-game.

Bullshit and you know it. Erratus wagon was opportunistic. Bill was the one who liked opportunity.

Rob is just being stupid at the moment. Bill was scummy, and he knows it.

And for the record, there is no possible way that I'm lurking. It's D1, 11 Pages. I've had no prod checks.

Here's a better question.

Rob. Why aren't you voting me?

1. lurking doesn't mean you get prodded btw, that is being inactive, lurking is posting just enough to avoid prods or to stay off the radar

2. I am voting for the person I think is the most likely to be scum, I haven't seen any reason to change my vote right now although I like that vote by Hayker on Zito, he is somoeone who could stand to have a little pressure on him.

if I change my vote to you all it would be is a pressure vote but you have already given me the information I wanted so a pressure vote isn't necessary

your vote on bill isn't generating any pressure on him cause he has basically fell into the backround
your vote isn't convincing enough because people are taking their votes off of him instead of people putting votes on him (there were 3, now there is 2)
you have said asked for somebody to make a case yet when you are asked to make a case you refuse and said you don't need to make a case

[RobCapone]

I think you both are scum

[RobCapone]

I'd line to add that the reason this game has stalled is cause of lack of people posting

ice, zito, haker, mocking-bvoigt player spot

[RobCapone]

Their lack of content though is stalling the game, they can take the limited time they have and discuss more

zito to me has seemed to avoid scum hunting all together and despite being for a subs lynch (or was previously) he hasn't really commented on why nor has he talked about anything else going on with the wagon

Lots if people just sort of posting to avoid prods (in my opinion anyway)

[RobCapone]

Who is bgg?

[RobCapone]

bill, were your ears ringing? that was awfully convenient by the way

I don't like this kind of limp-wristed reaffirmation of suspicion, which you and Ash and Snake have all posted some form of.

Bill it has been my experience that lurking scum show up shortly after people start talking about them and that is exactly what seemed to happen with you, which is why I pointed it out. It isn't anything to lynch you for just yet but I am pointing it out for future reference

[RobCapone]

Whatever, I don't know how to explain it but subgenius is town.

I find this a very interesting statement.

Hay Erratus, do you find this an interesting statement?

Actually, better question: Subgenius, do you think the same thing about bvoigt?

you realize you also declared somebody as town, how is what he did different than what you did?

[RobCapone]

welcome penpen

and I like subsy, from now on Subgenius is now subsy to me

[RobCapone]

vote hayker

for somebody who was eager to start the game, his play since it started still hasn't lived up to the expectation

he still has more pre-game posts than he does since it started, plus he has logged in since his last post and hasn't provided anything new

[RobCapone]

My vote is because since the game has started he has had 3 posts and has logged insince his last post 3 days ago and posted nothing

He comes in posts a little, ignores the subs wagon basically and votes somebody and leaves

looks like he was attempting to fly under the radar, 1 vote on him isn't enough to get him to participate, maybe a 2nd will, if not than others can decide what to do but he IS lurking.

[RobCapone]

1. I'll have to verify this when I get to a pc
2. Doesn't excuse his behavior, he is one of the people slowing this game down.

I can't get a read off him based on his limited posts

[RobCapone]

And I almost never use the word annoying to describe a player but zito is annoying me with his popping in and out and not providing any logical content

he talks about contradictions yet he supports a lynch for someone he isn't voting for and actually voted for someone else and makes accusations about people he doesn't back up with any reasoning at all.

[RobCapone]

Accusations was the wrong word, you made statements without suporting

1. EA is town
2. If mocking is scum, I must be turbolynched
3. You thinking subs is scum yet you avoid voting him
4. You declare mocking scum

[RobCapone]

Zito you confuse me

[RobCapone]

But subs is probably not town, you can't analyze who is voting for whom, until we know for sure what they are

neither of those guys are confirmed town so who voted for them is irelevant at this point

[RobCapone]

Well idk but I didn't sheep anyone

I started the EA wagon iirc
and I laid out why I am suspicious of subsy, once hayker posts more I'll move my vote back to subsy

[RobCapone]

But subs is probably not town, you can't analyze who is voting for whom, until we know for sure what they are

I'd say subgenius is very likely town. And Erratus is even more so. Regardless I'd eat a leather hat if that whole list turned out town.

I'll disagree with you on subsy but I'll give you the list

most likely 1 is scum for sure

[RobCapone]

I have nothing to be guilty of

[RobCapone]

My aren't we sensitive.

[RobCapone]

I didn't jump to conclusions, I'm on a list that zito made where he says 1 or 2 are scum for sheeping

1. I started the wagon on EA so I cant sheep myself
2.I laid out my reasons for voting Sub, I didn't sheep anyone elses reasons

my reasons for subs may suck, but they are my own and don't mirror anyone else

grey is awfully quick to point fingers at others on the list and he is on it too, that's more typical of scum than explaining why I should not be included.

Zito's theory is sheeping twice, I sheeped 0

by my reasoning I'm clear

[RobCapone]

Zito, request a facepalm smiley be made please

[RobCapone]

lol good luck with this wagon

[RobCapone]

Oh cool. You guys have finally realized who's scum.

Unvote, Vote: RobCapone

See I was right about you lurking

p.edit - I have not given up, I won't be lynched today

[RobCapone]

Oh cool. You guys have finally realized who's scum.

Unvote, Vote: RobCapone

See I was right about you lurking

p.edit - I have not given up, I won't be lynched today

You seem very confident.

Yes I am, cause I am on town's side and ihave caught 2 scum already

[RobCapone]

Snake, pretty sure I said a while back subs and hiraki were scum, I never wish washed, those 2 are still scum, hiraki proved it with the way he swooped in and voted

And pen, I never said I gave up, ice implied it but it's not true

[RobCapone]

vote hiraki

thanks for confirming my suspicions buddy

[RobCapone]

Bill or grey, not sure though

unless there are 2 mafia groups, than probably both

[RobCapone]

Plus I said once hayker posted more, I'd go back to subs

hayker was to see if 2 votes would get him to come play

I said I can't read someone with 3 posts since the game started

[RobCapone]

He doesn't post all day and swoops in to bandwagon, not a misrep

[RobCapone]

Yes lurking is a scum tell to me, see my sig duh

[RobCapone]

ice, the kind of lurking I have observed from Hiraki is that of an Active kind, only comes around when someone is talking about him or it's someone he feels he can get a lynch on.

he was active during the discussion between him and subs and him and myself, all others to me it seems like he is just trying to poke in a post here or there to stay off the radar.

I have seen this once before in another game and I was dead on, I am pretty sure I am right about this one.

Subs really is based on the posts I pointed out earlier, yeah he hasn't played much but he has been around since 08 to be this newbish

Ice - your lurking like subs has pointed out is part of the reason for you, also you were on both wagons like Zito pointed out, when you are innocent you try to defend yourself, you don't attack a person trying to defend themselves. you didn't explain your reasons for being on both wagons, you just immediatly attacked the person who tried to get himself removed from the list, and that attack sealed the deal for me and probably puts you as Hiraki's partner given he voted for you as his first vote of the game (I call this the lol let me bus my partner at the begging of the game trick)

Bill - his lurking and suspicious behavior all game is what does it for me, sadly on this one I haven't looked into him as much as others but skimming his posts, they definitly fit the bill.

[RobCapone]

Yes lurking is a scum tell to me, see my sig duh

Really?

Interesting.

So, if that's so. Wouldn't you have more than 3 people being scum then?

it is the way lurking is done, I am not naive enough to think every lurker is scum, because i have seen people who lurk all the time as town, it is the way they lurk.

there are tricks to pick up lurker scum and lurker town

[RobCapone]

How can you have Lurker Town, if lurking is a scumtell to you. That makes no sense. Also, how would you find lurking town? I'm intrigued in this.

To add on, if I'm scum, why would I buss Bill D1?

Cause town lurk too and they may get wrongly accused, I've been dealing with lurkers for a long time, it's the biggest pet peeve of mine but it's the way they lurk

someone who is comletely clueless abou what's going on is lower on my scumdar than someone who shows up at certain times and seems to know what's going on

are you suggesting mafia won't bus their partner day 1?
Are you really serious with that question anywY when I have called you out that your case on Bill is nonsense because you haven't made a case in him. To which you said something about not having to make one.

So yes I think you are half/ass bussing Bill and yes mafia bus their partners day 1, day 2, , any fucking day they want.

[RobCapone]

He doesn't post all day and swoops in to bandwagon, not a misrep

He posted at 1:34.

He posted again at 3:30 to change his vote.

2 hours != 24 hours.

1. I never said 24 hours
2. Learn to not misrep yourself cause it was 1:34 AM so it was 14 hours

in that 14 hours lots took place, did he care to comment? No he pops in right when the votes pile on to throw his on very opportunistically. The votes came on me super quick.

Thus he proved his scum lurkyness IMO

Once I'm dead and flip town all I ask is he get lynched as my dying request.

[RobCapone]

You said you don't need to make a case, you never made a case on bill. You vote for something that and never add to your vote, never point out other things he did.

I dont care if zito disagrees, when you are town you should be able to make a case

you should be willing to make one if asked

to refuse which you have done is scummy

this is scummy play

[RobCapone]

Someone who is completely clueless was mocking

haker I can't tell cause he hasn't posted enough

[RobCapone]

Hi. Sorry I'm late getting started. I'm catching up now and will post later this afternoon or evening.

Cause it's obvious he has no clue in this post

haker posted a catchup post, can't guage scum off a catchup post

[RobCapone]

And mocking did post once

[RobCapone]

Who knows, could be just a mistake, it's easy to miss one post

[RobCapone]

I will say that while I still suspect subs, hiraki and ice have moved up on my list to 1-2

the way ice instead of defending himself for being on zito's possible scum list and attacking/straw manning someone on the list who is trying to explain the reasons fir his votes is scummy

he said I acted like I was being accused but that list was zito's way to basically accuse everyone on it as guilty of suspicious behavior. His agression was very odd

p-edit - hiraki fine you were sleeping but you wake up and say ooh a rib wagon finally let's vote

You have been for my lynch but you waited for someone else to start it so you don't get your hands dirty when I flip town

when I am gone and content has taken place, I read through and read/comment on it before voting

that is pro-town behavior

just voting ignoring everything since you went to bed is scummy.

[RobCapone]

*twitch*

Rooooobbbssssssssss

If you're town, it's ridiculous to give up. There's two things that move wagons
- Good explanations of what you were doing, why you think like you do, and why the wagon is wrong
- Better targets for finding scum, based on behavior.

If you're scum... if you think your lynch is that inevitable, or if you are afraid you might out a partner going down, it could be the right play. Personal judgment of course (I've self-hammered as scum - sometimes it's worth it to deny them something they wanted).

Please don't make the play that makes me think you're scum if you're town...

going over this post now I am on a pc

If you're town, it's ridiculous to give up

where did I give up? I never did.

Good explanations of what you were doing, why you think like you do, and why the wagon is wrong
- Better targets for finding scum, based on behavior.

I have done all of this, I have explained my actions and my reasonings and I have provided better targets but if nobody believes me what do I do next?


If you're scum... if you think your lynch is that inevitable, or if you are afraid you might out a partner going down, it could be the right play. Personal judgment of course (I've self-hammered as scum - sometimes it's worth it to deny them something they wanted).

funny thing is I have self voted as scum once, and 3 times as town.

Scum - http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 2#p2764652
Town hammer - http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 8#p2531898
Town vote - http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 8#p2601278
Town hammer - http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 3#p2684323

so self voting to me means jack shit.

Please don't make the play that makes me think you're scum if you're town...

thanks for confirming you are scum with this post right here

[RobCapone]

fine my logic can be wrong, lord knows I am wrong lots of time, I am bull headed and when I get my mind set on something, that's it, goo d luck changing my mind

I am sorry my logic pisses you off but sadly you are my biggest scum read, I can't imagine I am wrong based on your play.

as long as I am alive I am going to push for your lynch.

[RobCapone]

sorry you lost your head bro

[RobCapone]

Someone give me a rundown on the Rob case plz. I'd like to see it all in one place.

Are you that lazy.

pot meets kettle

[RobCapone]

barry, do you not agree that there are different types of lurking?

active lurking and i'm blue and I have nothing to contribute lurking?

[RobCapone]

P.S. Sometimes it bugs me when people don't understand my scumhunting.

Like I'm just posting all this to kill time from my jail cell or something.

dum dee dum

you realize you contradict yourself when you disagree with me when i say people need to make cases and you ask for people to make cases

I know you are supposedly a good player, so you can you please start acting like it.

[RobCapone]

and I won't call out names just yet but if you can be seen atleast 3 times browsing this forum and you don't post anything at all, that is not helping the flow of the game.

[RobCapone]

I've decided to put my vote back on Rob. I don't think he is doing a very good job scum hunting even though he is posting a lot.

Vote:RobCapone

and what scum hunting have you done?

checking.....

oh none

[RobCapone]

I've decided to put my vote back on Rob. I don't think he is doing a very good job scum hunting even though he is posting a lot.

Vote:RobCapone

you should at least make your case like papa zito asked, not doing a good job scum hunting =/= a case fwiw

btw I am at l-2

[RobCapone]

this game has such stellar scum hunters, you guys don't need me <sarcasm>

[RobCapone]

btw I am going to bed, if I wake up to being L-1 I will hammer myself as town and not bat an eye lash.

my record already shows I will do it, so remove this wagon on me or be prepared for the most epic fail of all times.

[RobCapone]

Ice votes me because I defend myself
penpen because I use sarcasm, I defend myself, and I am not good at scum hunting
subs - I was forceful on wanting his lynch and because somehow making a case on him is being careful not to make it look like I am sheeping
Hiraki - votes no reason but earlier he suspects me cause I say Zito is trying to deflect from Subs wagon and because I said him defending subs after subs accusing him as scum is weird
Snake - just cause he likes my wagon

nobody has a valid fucking reason for voting me and this wagon is complete horse shit, this wagon formed almost as fast as the EA wagon.

Subs and Hiraki are just but hurt I call them scum, no fucking clue what snake and pen are thinking, and Ice has confirmed he is scum with his later post where he makes this comment, which is scummy as all get out.

Please don't make the play that makes me think you're scum if you're town...

tbh everyone on Zito's list should be defending their accusation that they were sheeping, I mean that was the point of the list right? the people on the list were sheeping so 1 or 2 people on it have a good chance to be scum, so mother fuckers need to explain why they are not sheeping.

Each person on the list, including scum Ice should be posting a reason why they were not sheeping.
I already explained mine

I started the EA wagon so not sheeping

I posted a fucking case on Subs - http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 9#p2805079

A case. You know an explanation as to why I think subs is scum, something that Hiraki absolutely refuses to make on Bill and than later tries to play it off by asking "if I was mafia would I buss Bill" come on with that load of BS.

because I don't know who is scum and what people are going to do I am not waiting til I am L-1 so scum or moronic town comes in an hammers me

Claim tracker

not get the fuck off me and vote hiraki, ice, or subs

[RobCapone]

No cause I never can figure out how to crumb tracker, only one I know how to crumb is doctor.

Since you were on zito's list you need to explain why you were on both wagons. You agreed with zito and you were guilty of being on both, please provide your reasonings like I did

everyone on zito's list follow suit and explain why you were on both wagons.

if zito is right, we should catch someone with their explanation

[RobCapone]

Rob, please respond to subgenius' 464. You say there's no case and yet there's a case.

Anyone else have a case they'd like to post on Brother Rob?


P.S. Called it lulz

I'm not responding to anyone's case on me

lynch me and you will see I'm not lying

[RobCapone]

Hmm.

Rob is at L-1, but there's no self-hammer.

Hmmzorz.

I'll be a good boy, for now.

Unvote, V/LA: Until Late Friday

I was at L-2 scum boy

[RobCapone]

See if hiraki was so set on me getting lynched, why unvote?

Glanced at Subs post and it's mostly butt hurt for me calling him scum and twisting me trying to get hiraki to explain why he defends his accuser as trying to drum upvotes

if someone calls me scum and I'm innocent, I'm not going to defend that person if they are being called scum. It's retarded logic

if anything it means I'm wrong on subs but right on hiraki

[RobCapone]

But he doesn't think I'm tracker , he thinks I'm scum

[RobCapone]

Ice- I started a wagon, hiraki is scum

If he is town I'll quit MS forever

[RobCapone]

The first one was on town. And there's more town than scum this game.

What I think isn't the point tho. The point is that you think the subgenius wagon was bad because there was no counterwagon, but then there's a counterwagon on Rob. So doesn't that make the subgenius wagon a good one now?

There is only 2 ways you can say EA is town

1. You are scum
2. You and he are mason (no cult allowed in mini, cult is scum anyway)

so if neither is true, EA is not confirmed town

[RobCapone]

Glanced at Subs post and it's mostly butt hurt for me calling him scum and twisting me trying to get hiraki to explain why he defends his accuser as trying to drum upvotes

Your insistence on only addressing what I fully admitted was the weakest part of my case makes me feel all the better about the rest of it.

No I addressed it all, your entire case is cause you are mad cause I attacked you and your personal opinions are skewed towards that. This is actually what I expect from you and don't think you are scum anymore.

If you actually defended me than I would be more convinced you were scum

see how that works hiraki?

His reaction is genuine town, I accuse him so he assumes i must be scum trying to get him lynched so he naturally thinks I'm scum

That is typical town reaction, an innocent wrongly accused will not trust his accuser

go ask any guy falsely accused of rape if he would go have coffee with the chick later

[RobCapone]

You are a wild card zito

[RobCapone]

Yes.

Join me on the Bill wagon.


@Ashblade: Need some content plz.

I can't join a wagon I don't beleive in.

Right now all signs point to hiraki and ice, if hiraki flips scum than Ill be convinced bill is probably scum

I don't baaaa

[RobCapone]

Sorry mr. Sensitive

say somebody said you stole his baseball card, would you go hang out at the arcade with him?

I claimed to not waste town's time anymore, you are wasting discussion time

ooh I said I'd self vote, I have done it 3 times as town, probably more

look

Unvote, vote RobCapone

I did it again

unvote

vote scum hiraki

[RobCapone]

I read Barry, reading bill now. Ill say that so far ash is spot on about Barry

Reading bill now

[RobCapone]

Sigh.

I'm depressed now

[RobCapone]

ooh I said I'd self vote, I have done it 3 times as town, probably more

You've done it as scum too so from an alignment standpoint it's meaningless.

You're also being 100% reactive but that's also pretty much meaningless.

Which is why I can't really support your wagon. Your actions are anti-town sure but I don't see scum motivation.

HE DOESN'T HAVE ONE.

He doesn't plan as scum. I know this from 1105. He just floats along, adding posts to the thread and vaguely assembly reads. The goal is to survive. They had DAYTALK, and their thread was just random blorts and blips. I had the same problem - I couldn't come up with a scum motivation for his overall post history (I assumed he was the town vig, since I could come up with a vigilante motive to act like he did - provable claim, wanna act scummy and slightly useless, a few emotional posts).

Well screw it. He ain't planning if he's scum. He's just trying to survive.

I call BS

my plan was to lurk, I got caught and was on the defensive ever since and I eventually just gave up

my best performance as scum is Cookie Thieves

I'm not explaining it but my meta is very easy to figure out and I usually don't vary

go read fringe mafia and 90s band Mafia and see how I am as town

[RobCapone]

Or, I have a policy where we shouldn't lynch claimed PRs until they can be proven to be scum.

That's a terrible policy. Explain why you are unwilling to lynch Rob.

Unvote

You too.

You advocate always lynching a claimed power role day 1?

Learn better theory

[RobCapone]

I'll post between 12am-2am pst tonight a bit.

C'mon, man.

+1

[RobCapone]

Sigh.

I'm depressed now

now I am on a PC I can explain this comment, at work I read over both Barry and Bill and sadly out of the 2 I have to feel that Barry is the scum of the 2.

why does this depress me? this means that my theory of Bill being bussed by Hiraki is potentially thrown out the window (unless we have 2 scum groups, I am not speculating that we do but I have been part of at least 2 possible 3 games on site with 2 mafia groups so I am not going to assume it isn't possible)

now for the things about Barry that bother me excluding the EA vote, basically in a nutshell he seemed to be very cautious and assumed EA was at L-1 so he made this comment

Errant - if you weren't at L-1 already I'd vote for you myself. You posted a rather unfortunate message about wanting to delay the game, then post an OMGUS vote and THEN say you had a case? Wow........

than Bill votes and than Barry putting EA at L-2, the reason why I feel Barry's vote is more scummy is because of Bill's comment

Um... what? You think Errant is at L-1? How is that possible?

I assure you he is not. See, look:

Vote: Errant Apathos.

I really don't feel mafia would be THAT brazen, of course I am known to be wrong, but I just don't feel like I am.

than Barry with this

...and since we do have room...I'll do what I would have done if I had counted properly in the first place (as noted in my earlier post)

VOTE: Errant Apathos

again seems very cautious


than later Barry's 2nd vote which can be found http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 1#p2804041

To me the top two candidates are now Bill and Sub...and my vote is:

VOTE: subgenius

which should place him at L-2. We still have room for debate, and I do look forward to reading more. Before I stop, though, I do want to call out our lurkers...where are you, Hayker and Mockingjaye? Lurking is not cool...

now look at the post right above it and notice who are the 2 biggest wagons are....
also he is again seeming cautious making sure to point out that we have room for debate

and than his vote on Bill, note the bolded

A lot has happened since I was last on thread...let me do this first, as I already promised to do some serious thinking about my sub case...

VOTE: UNVOTE

Subs - you didn't convince me with the "No YOU are" posts...but again two things nagged at me. First was knowing you were using that old guide, which really explained your posts and made it plausible that you were playing with less actual playing experience than would seem likely given when you joined the site. The second is now even more apparent to me...

the only other vote for you is from Bill

, and I've been looking very dimly at Bill for some time (first trying to choose between Bill and wikki, and later Bill and you).

As to where to put my vote...

Bill - for some time I've said that if I didn't have my vote on Subs I would be looking at you...unless the Rob case takes over in my thoughts, I will stay with this...

VOTE: VOTE Bill

Rob - Your explanations regarding lurking and how you separate "active" lurking from "clueless" lurking, and "town" lurking from "scum" lurking just keeps getting more and more convoluted. For someone who is so certain about lurking being a scumtell that it's in your sig, you suddenly seem to be giving a lot of elbow room to some lurkers over others...and it doesn't seem to make sense. For now my vote is on Bill - but I'm also catching up on 3-4 pages of thread and as I re-read it we'll see if it stays there or shifts your way.

I bolded that part because the subs wagon has dwindled to just him and bill, so he needs to get off. yes he has been FOS'ing Bill all along but what seemed funny is right before his vote, Zito voted bill, i didn't think of it much at first but it could be that Zito has earned a town rep and now he felt it was a good enough time to switch his vote (assumption by me of course)

he also leaves it open that he could vote me just as my wagon is getting bigger.


Well got to go pick up the kids, just some food for thought

p.edit

Pen, you were asked why you unvoted me also why are you voting barry without a reason?

[RobCapone]

I see rob now as being as PRO Town as Papa Zito and everyone knows papa zito is pro town.

way to ignore the questions I just asked you.

how did I go from scummy bad scum hunter to ProTown other than Zito said he doesn't see scum motivation for my acrtions

why are you voting Barry?

[RobCapone]

That's a terrible policy. Explain why you are unwilling to lynch Rob.

Let me rephrase my last statement. I'm not going to lynch a PR on D1 without poof that he must be scum. Even though I think that Rob is extremely scummy, I'm willing to allow him to stay alive.

To go on, let's talk about Rob.

Hey Rob. If you really want me dead, you should try making a convincing case. The statements that I've been lurking, and that I have no "real"case on Billy being scum aren't working well. Mostly to the point that you're the only one who believes I'm lurking, and that I do have a case on Billy's first post, you just don't agree with it. I could add onto it, but I'm not focused on him, at least not anymore.

I will quote you

I don't need to make a case for anyone really.

[RobCapone]

yeah i don't believe you, that is such an easy lie for scum to make.

[RobCapone]

I see rob now as being as PRO Town as Papa Zito and everyone knows papa zito is pro town.

way to ignore the questions I just asked you.

how did I go from scummy bad scum hunter to ProTown other than Zito said he doesn't see scum motivation for my acrtions

why are you voting Barry?

dude stop fucking around and answer the questions

[RobCapone]

yeah I don't want town to vote me but I am trying to point out your behavior over the last 2 or 3 pages is sketchy

[RobCapone]

you are retarded and still scum

[RobCapone]

again are you retarded hiraki? i used the same wording penpen used, I don't want town to vote me cause I am town also.

and way to go against your own policy, so now you contradict yourself.

I am sorry the rest of town can't see what I see

[RobCapone]

I have posted a case throughout the thread

your ACTIVE lurking
your refusal to make a case when asked yet you ask others to make a case
your opportunstic swooping out of nowhere when my bandwagon starts to vote me an put me L-3 I believe
your defending your accuser (see my rapist or baseball card analogy, they both fit)
you purposely trying to turn things I say into a scumtell or scummy aka strawman

now where the fuck is your case on Bill, if you don't post a case on bill in your next post than it is an admission of guilt and we can lynch you.

[RobCapone]

it isn't convient, the attention was already moving off me and going to you or bill, I read both ISOs objectively because neither of you 2 were on my radar and I felt that Ash's points and the ones I pointed out in my post definily find you the scummier of the 2, however notice I never voted for you. I have my scum suspect and I am not changing it.

until I die in this game I will for always be voting Hiraki or until he is somehow cleared

so save your awfully convienet comment when referring to me, because I am addressing all the 300lb gorillas in the room

[RobCapone]

can you show where I voted you, please show where i voted you, if you can find where I voted you I will walk away from this game right now

[RobCapone]

being wrong about bill only takes away the point where hiraki is bussing bill, which tied into my case but didn't make it completely, I still think he is scum for other reasons but I can't speculate anything until we get a scum flip.

so I will stay on Hiraki and you guys can do what you what, as i said if hiraki flips town you will never see me play another game on this site again.

[RobCapone]

I always love when someone says there is no proof they are scum, of course there is no proof day 1 but that is such a mentality of scum, only scum would say prove it.

you think I am scum, but I don't tell you to prove it, because I know you can't. you either believe it or you don't and I die by lynch or by NK, but regardless I will flip town

thanks for admitting you are scum, but you want us to prove it first

[RobCapone]

scum say prove it

town could care less because they know it can't be proved

you say

Your case sucks and there is no valid proof

aka PROVE IT

simple enough for you or do you need a remedial english course first?

[RobCapone]

interpretation is always going to be different, everyone can make up their own mind, I am find with you. it's not like you have actually done anything worthwhile in this game, I mean you already admitted to being to lazy to make a case and you haven't scum hunted for shit either.

you are no better than furclow or drmyshotty at this point.

[RobCapone]

interpretation is always going to be different, everyone can make up their own mind, I am find with you. it's not like you have actually done anything worthwhile in this game, I mean you already admitted to being to lazy to make a case and you haven't scum hunted for shit either.

you are no better than furclow or drmyshotty at this point.

That's why I showed you case up there.

I guess PapaZito and I get to be ranked there. Do you feel special about that Zito?

clearly you need to learn how to write a sentence cause this doesn't read correctly and you didn't show me any sort of case because you have not made one.

I get what Zito is doing and I know he knows how to play, sadly it is obvious you are too lazy to play. I'd suggest if you are town requesting a replacement and if you are scum just give up.

lazy players refusing to make a case is hurting, not helping town.

[RobCapone]

and you still ignore my questions.

[RobCapone]

As for not voting Ashblade or PenPen - I also do not believe in OMGUS votes. If you will note my original vote on EA was based in part on the OMGUS, and in part on claiming there was a case posted when in fact that wasn't a real case (at least not from my read). So to summarize: Yes I think this looks like a counterwagon, and no I'm not OMGUS'ing or voting a role claim even though that would be easy to do. I'm leaving my vote on someone I've suspected of being scum for quite some time, and I am comfortable with leaving my vote there.

[RobCapone]

Barry

1. I'm not bandwagoning you cause I'm not voting you
2. As I pointed out in my post earlier after the EA wagon you FOS the 2 people who happen to be the largest wagons
3. You are doing exactly what you just accused me of doing, trying to deflect from you now you are getting heat

I welcome any and all heat on me, I've laid out what I am and my days are numbered

It's naive to ignore the 300lb gorillas of you and Bill, both are being accused of being scum and reading both you look more suspicious.

It's my opinion, it's not bandwagoning and not trying to get pressure off me.

[RobCapone]

@zito - can you explain your case on bill

also did you read my post about Barry I made yesterday? If so comments?

[RobCapone]

Head asplodes

zito, I'm typing with no head now too

[RobCapone]

Eventually he'll get a scumgame out of all the ways people catch him)

what does that mean?

[RobCapone]

Allow me to answer that question with another question: Is there any town motivation for obsessively pointing out even the most generic of suspicious behaviors of every other player in a game while under suspicion yourself?

since I am bored I was reading back.

the answer to this question is absolutely yes there is town motivation for pointing out scummy behavior while under suspicion yourself, you shoudl never stop scum hunting even if you are about to be lynched.

[RobCapone]

so just pointing it out there that GreyIce has voted for

EA
Bill
Subs
myself
Bvoigt

I vote EA and number 2 is Ice
Hiraki and Zito vote Bill, and Ice votes Bill
EA votes Subs and Ice votes Subs
He votes me because I am on a list of people who potentially are scum because I was on both wagons and I defend my actions, Ice was on the list and he thinks defending yourself when on a list of potentially guilty is somehow admission of guilt.

than this post sticks out in my mind because it is an absolute lie, the only wagon he starts is mine, he doesn't start any other wagon, the bolded part is interesting too

I started ALL THREE wagons this game. PEOPLE ARE BEING LAZY.

THIS FUCKING SUCKS YOU LAZY TOWNIES.

and than Subs votes BV and Ice follows, even making a comment that bv has sheeped which is the pot calling the kettle black imo

Vote GreyIce

baa baa black sheep, you sheeped this whole fucking game and claim you started every wagon ROFL

[RobCapone]

I don't know if that's bog average failure, or if it's because he's still obv scum, but:

I didn't vote. I like waiting and I love making others wait.

I will give everyone a door prize if we put him at L-2 before page 6.

subgenius (L-2):

GreyICE,

Ashblade, RobCapone, Barry Allen, Bill McQuill

That's my response to your case, scum.

1. a comment made before the game starts doesn't count first of all
2. right before you posted that I posted this

I didn't vote. I like waiting and I love making others wait.

clearly you missed scum wants to delay the start of the game, so this doesn't look good for you. besides generally making you look like a dick

so it was obvious who i was going to vote for once the game started, and once the game started I voted first so i started the wagon on him.

and lastly, where the fuck did you pull that vote count from, because look at this

Votecount 1.1

subgenius (L-5): Erratus Apathos,

GreyICE

Erratus Apathos (L-5): Barry Allen
Bill McQuill (L-3): Hiraki, Papa Zito, RobCapone, Snake Eyes
Hiraki (L-5): subgenius, Ashblade
wikkiden (L-6): Bill McQuill

Not voting: mockingjaye, wikkiden, Hayker

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch and 7 to no lynch.

Deadline is

March, the 3rd, at 06:00 p.m. EST

Votecount 1.2

subgenius (L-3): Erratus Apathos,

GreyICE

, Ashblade, RobCapone
Bill McQuill (L-4): Hiraki, Papa Zito, Snake Eyes
Hiraki (L-6): subgenius
wikkiden (L-6): Bill McQuill

Not voting: mockingjaye, wikkiden, Barry Allen, Hayker

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch and 7 to no lynch.

Votecount 1.3

subgenius (L-1): Erratus Apathos,

GreyICE,

Ashblade, RobCapone, Barry Allen, Bill McQuill
Bill McQuill (L-5): Hiraki, Snake Eyes
bvoigt (L-6): Papa Zito
Barry Allen (L-6): subgenius
Papa Zito (L-6): Hayker

Not voting: bvoigt, wikkiden

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch and 7 to no lynch.

and than we get to the one where you are finally leading the wagon, 4 full days later after being 2nd on the wagon for the previous vote counts

Vote count 1.4

subgenius (L-2): GreyICE, Ashblade, RobCapone, Barry Allen, Bill McQuill
Bill McQuill (L-5): Hiraki, Snake Eyes
bvoigt (L-6): Papa Zito
Barry Allen (L-6): subgenius
Papa Zito (L-6): Hayker
wikkiden (L-6): bvoigt
Hayker (L-6): Erratus Apathos

Not voting: wikkiden

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch and 7 to no lynch.

so really, try and come at me again bro because your response to my case just got disproven.

[RobCapone]

FYI bill is L-2 I think

[RobCapone]

so really, try and come at me again bro because your response to my case just got disproven.

Not really, I'm going to ignore you. I don't seem to have six others game for lynching you today, and I'd rather find your buddies then sit around and get baited. I admire running cover for them in this circumstance, I really do, but I don't feel like playing.

So I disprove your statement and now you just go back accusing me of scum, you don't even admit that u f
got caught in a lie, or atleast say you were mistaken.

You just ignored the truth

[RobCapone]

Going on record now if Bill is town, ice is confirmed scum

ice voted bill earlier (claims to have started the wagon on him based on his own statement he has started the 3 wagons in this game) and now bill is L-2 and he thinks he is going to flip town

[RobCapone]

The first one was on town. And there's more town than scum this game.

What I think isn't the point tho. The point is that you think the subgenius wagon was bad because there was no counterwagon, but then there's a counterwagon on Rob. So doesn't that make the subgenius wagon a good one now?

This just hurts my head. First, lemme see:

-I've said Subs latest posts have me feeling more town than scum
-The period the subgenius wagon was ongoing was quite substantial, with no counterwagon arising
-I started the bleeding counterwagon

I mean seriously the only person I'd look at if Sub was scum out of that incident would be you, because of your wonderful IoA "lets see if the town will enjoy shiny thing X" style post, and actually the general volume of IoA that's floated out of your posts.

I'm not happy with Rob's recent posts, and I don't know how I feel about lynching claimed power on day 1. I've done it and had them flip power, I've done it and had them flip scum, I've backed up and had them flip scum anyway later. I've backed off, watched em provide jack, and get lynched two days later because "they weren't NKed" and had them flip their PR. But if someone starts a different wagon, I fucking want SOMEONE ELSE TO START THE WAGON. If we count the EA wagon from my offer of prizes pre-game, I started ALL THREE wagons this game. PEOPLE ARE BEING LAZY. THIS FUCKING SUCKS YOU LAZY TOWNIES.

quote to remind people of the most epic fail post this game

[RobCapone]

I'm not dumb enough to out a PR

sorry you don't beleive me but I AM the tracker and I am not mafia.

[RobCapone]

Grey your case on penpen sounds awfully familiar to what I try to do when I want to get rid of a VI

penpen's iso if I closed my eyes, I swear it was a drmyshotty alt.

He is playing useless townie, while annoying as fuck, it isn't a great reason to lynch when others are doing far worse things like promising content and not delivering (bill and hayker) or absolutely lying and got caught for it (you)

[RobCapone]

Going on record now if Bill is town, ice is confirmed scum

ice voted bill earlier (claims to have started the wagon on him based on his own statement he has started the 3 wagons in this game) and now bill is L-2 and he thinks he is going to flip town

And then there's quality idiocy like this.

I'm sure I don't have to walk you through why this is such a fucking scum post, Zito?

Problem it is a town member posting it so it can't possibly be a scum post

to support the wagon early and now say you think he will flip town is a contradiction that needs explaining

what has he done between the time you thought he was scum til now when you think he is town

it's funny cause I can point to a game where I had scum in this very same situation and his response didn't make sense so I am expecting you to answer this please

point out what excatly had you change your scum to town read on bill.

Thanks

[RobCapone]

I don't see penpen active lurking.

You didn't answer this, here it is again:

so really, try and come at me again bro because your response to my case just got disproven.

Not really, I'm going to ignore you. I don't seem to have six others game for lynching you today, and I'd rather find your buddies then sit around and get baited. I admire running cover for them in this circumstance, I really do, but I don't feel like playing.

This is a bad answer.

subgenius (L-2): GreyICE, Ashblade, RobCapone, Barry Allen, Bill McQuill

Please explain where this came from and why it was sufficient to answer Rob's point.

Because Rob's point is really stupid. I'm tired of the fact that most of this town seems content to sheep me (and I guess EA, although that looks like just Rob) or nitpick/cheerlead from the sidelines, rather than doing anything that resembles proactive scumhunting. It's gotten a little better since I posted that, but I really don't see the big deal in noting it.

He blows that up into that huge liar case? I can't tell if that's fucking stupid or fucking scum, and at this point I don't care, since no one is lynching him with me today, so I'll just ignore him.

My post disproved your response to my case, you have not disproven my case

your pre-game post =/= starting a wagon
you being 2nd on subs until the 4th count PROVES YOU WERE LYING
I pointed out you quickly voted someone after somebody else did, your only true first vote was the subs counter wagon on me cause you knew you were guilty of sheeping and instead of trying to clear your name off the list you think anyone else who wants to clear their name can easily attacked, which you did.

That is scummy play. Like I said EVERYONE on that list should be trying to explain how their votes were not sheeping. Contrary to your self inflated opinion I started the terribad EA wagon not you.

[RobCapone]

Dude, lynch chaining?

That a scum tactic through and through. "Well look at these two people! If one of them is town, the other MUST be scum! So we should lynch one to see if they're scum, then lynch the other!"

If you're truly town and you made that argument, go out back for a bit, and think about what you have done.

Well Im going to add lynch chaining to my list of things that most people consider a scum tell that I have done as town. I think I have proven every scum tell wrong in the game.
I use reactions and reasonings and don't rely on "scum tells" written by someone else

[RobCapone]

And Ice, please answer my question

what made you change your read from scum to town on bill

[RobCapone]

@ ice, couple more questions

1. If you are so sure I'm scum why did you change your vote to the same person subs is voting for in the very post right after subs
2. If you are winning to lynch pen first, why are you not voting him
3. Earlier you said you think bill will flip town, but later you say you will bw him after pen
A. Why bill if you said you think he will flip town?
B. Why not me since you are convinced I'm scum

These answers will give the rest of the players in this game a better indication of your allignment so please don't ignore them

[RobCapone]

Ebwop

willing not winning

[RobCapone]

@ ice you said this

[quote]Bill hasn't done anything pro-town. The problem is, I have a suspicion he will flip town.[/b]

yet later you say you will still wagon him after you wagon pen

so if you suspect bill is gong to flip town, why are you still willing to wagon him?

The purpose is wagon the people you think are going to flip scum, not people you think will flip town

[RobCapone]

Fucking fml I can't even quote right

[RobCapone]

EA mentioned this already, but I do not like this post at all. You totally ignored his actual case, and basically used self-meta to clear yourself. What's your response to his point about Ashblade? Why did you call him scum in one post and obvtown in another?

So not only are you posting garbage, you're not even reading the damn thread and blatantly sheeping others cases?

Vote:bvoight

Maybe if you put one lick of effort into the thread you'd have done one single thing this thread that wasn't scummy. But you haven't. If we don't lynch you someday, you're still going to be alive at LyLo, because either you're scum, or you're town so dumb that you CAN'T EVEN READ THE THREAD.

Call me naive but when is not reading the thread is a scumtell? I'd imagine scum would benefit from reading actually

Can you point out how you know he isn't reading, I'm not sure what his post is even talking about to begin with , I'd like to re-read what you both are discussing but cand find it quickly on my phone

[RobCapone]

^ hmm I think you may be right, i'll re-read again when I get to a PC

[RobCapone]

Only 27? Needs moar posting

[RobCapone]

Ice - you claim to start 3 wagons in this game, Vote record PROVES you started 1.

Does this mean you lied, yes or no?

[RobCapone]

And by claimed I mean RANTED

[RobCapone]

mod can we get a vote count

[RobCapone]

hey bvoight, when can we expect more content from you instead of you just cherry picking things to talk about?

[RobCapone]

@ mod - Bill is due for a prod now, it has been more than 48 hours since his last post, actually thanks to the nifty activity overview button at the bottom of the page counter, it has been 2 days and 4 hours since his last post

[RobCapone]

to bring up what subs mentioned earlier, Ice is posting elsewhere on site and not bothering to defend himself.

his "That was my last and final response on the matter." when he never properly explained himself, is pretty damning in my opinion.

I am just 1 man but I do urge others to vote for him at this point.

[RobCapone]

sorry

[RobCapone]

Hopefully, penpen will answer my questions soon.

For those who think I'm trying to get a VI policy lynch, I'm not. I'm trying to get a scum-VI lynched. wikkiden was shown to be lying scum, and penpen has done nothing pro-town. He's expressed suspicion of ~6 people (half the game, in other words), and his Rob vote in ISO #12 was especially bad. Oh and Snake Eyes, you can check my posts from yesterday. This was the only game I had time to post in.

EA mentioned this already, but I do not like this post at all. You totally ignored his actual case, and basically used self-meta to clear yourself. What's your response to his point about Ashblade? Why did you call him scum in one post and obvtown in another?

So not only are you posting garbage, you're not even reading the damn thread and blatantly sheeping others cases?

Vote:bvoight

Maybe if you put one lick of effort into the thread you'd have done one single thing this thread that wasn't scummy. But you haven't. If we don't lynch you someday, you're still going to be alive at LyLo, because either you're scum, or you're town so dumb that you CAN'T EVEN READ THE THREAD.

Please show me what about Ashblade's play made you change your mind about him.

When the fuck did I ever call Ashblade scum, you misrepresenting scumbag?

I didn't. You're lazy and trying to push a case through misrepresentation. That's worse than Rob - Rob could actually think that he's fucking reading when he's being that stupid. You? I see no reason that you would be that lazy from your other games.

So what's going on bvoight? Did you fall on your head recently? Or did you pull a red pm?

I will chime in on this one and first to say FUCK YOU for insulting me, I am not being stupid, I am being fucking smart as shit since I busted your lie. If you do flip town than I will forever facepalm wondering why you felt the need to lie.

but 2nd - Ice never called Ash scum, the closes he did was say that if Ash was scum than he has Ice fooled.

bvoight, you are playing horrible right now and you are ignoring the game for some stupid questions from penpen is not helping anyone.

penpen hasn't answered my questions either but I moved on and will deal with him later

right now we need Ice to speak about why he lied and why he posted skewed data to prove his point.

[RobCapone]

I see penpen is on, what say you

[RobCapone]

So many come to mind the first

were you dropped on your head?

But seriously the most obvious, why are you now voting for EA?

[RobCapone]

What is your opinion of Ice mis-repping himself and posting skewed information to prove his point

[RobCapone]

Now I'm going to be bored

[RobCapone]

Sadly the new rage are 2 mafia groups but vig or SK is possible too

welcome new guy

and now I'll *bang head on desk*

[RobCapone]

Oh and until we get a lead or something

vote hiraki

[RobCapone]

I tracked ashblade, hence the *head desk*

[RobCapone]

I still don't get ice and why he lied and refused to explain himself. Makes no sense

[RobCapone]

Someone not on the ice wagon
someone that I had neither a pro-town nor a scum read on
someone I felt was trying to blend in

felt tracking hiraki would be a waste cause my role sucks, mafia would have known I FOSd him hard and not have him make the kill, sane with the other people I FOSd

when I investigate I tend to not invetigate the most easiest targets cause I give mafia more credit.

When I'm mafia I try to be pro-town so I tend to investigate the people who seem like they are trying to be pro-town but not overly agressive about it

[RobCapone]

But you do realize that if you targeted me, and we lynched you, assuming you got a scum report on me, that I'd be lynched the next day, right?

but I don't get this person is scum or town, I get told if that person went anywhere.

(mind you this is my interpretation of how things would play out if you were actually mafia, which of course I have no idea other than all your scummy behaviors)

I honestly don't think mafia would send you out to make the kill when the tracker is saying he swears up and down that you are definitly scum, your buddies would send somebody else out to make the kill, somebody not on my radar.

true story

The way I play, I don't trust a damn motherfucking person. I thought about tracking Zito and you guys think he is pro-town. It is very rare for me to "trust" anyone in this game and it is because I have been burned so many times in the past for being naive, now I am a skeptical son of a bitch. Everyone is mafia until proven innocent in my mind.

tbh i don't care if you lynch me or not, my role is hands down the worst role possible cause all the stars and heavens have to allign for me to pick the right person but until I am lynched I am voting my FOS, which is you.

[RobCapone]

Vote: Papa Zito

For convincing me to vote to lynch a townie.

OK, that makes 9 people he's expressed suspicion of. penpen, what do you have to say about the accusation that you're basically just flinging random votes around?

Well I don't see anything wrong with that since most of what you are talking about is Day 1.

And day 2 just started so D1 info is all we have to go on right now

[RobCapone]

Vote: Papa Zito

For convincing me to vote to lynch a townie.

OK, that makes 9 people he's expressed suspicion of. penpen, what do you have to say about the accusation that you're basically just flinging random votes around?

Well I don't see anything wrong with that since most of what you are talking about is Day 1.

What do you mean? Even on Day 1, you should have at least a general idea of your suspicions.

Well I just felt like I didn't have much to work with at all.

there was plenty to work with and you didn't help by ignoring questions and voting without reasons.

We scum hunt off content and you denied us of content.

[RobCapone]

Speaking of content I wonder why Papa Zito hasn't posted yet?

Well since we have time please go back and find the questions you were asked and answer them

Kthx

[RobCapone]

yeah voting my top FOS is retarded

[RobCapone]

I can play the wifom game too, I typically don't hammer as scum unless it's the enc of the game hammer like I did in a newbie game. Hammering d1 on someone you know is going to flip town takes a bold person IMO

Now if we have 2 scum groups, right now only scum knows if we have more than 1 or not, I'd probably be more willing to hammer if I thought I caught one of the other scum.

But we don't know if we have 2 mafia, mafia and SK, or mafia and vig

so until then the hammer alone isn't enough. Right now is when pressuring lurkers comes in handy

Bill and Barry come to mind in addition to penpen.

Barry always has some excuse which may be real but if it was and he was town he should just replace out. Bill has no real excuse and pen is the VI ATM

[RobCapone]

Just posting that Hiraki's comment about "forgetting" I'm tracker is scummy, you don't forget that especially when that's why he backed off my wagon

Subs recent comments towards me, rubs me wrong and I can't quite put my finger on it but I still feel he has a good chance of being scum

that being said, Bill's last post was 6 days ago, a good 48 hours before the day ended and this day has been open for more than 24 and still nothing.

Barry is limited but atleast he has an official V/LA notice with the mod (

@ mod the dates on Barry's V/LA are wrong on your last vote count

)

That's how we do it in Europe, dude. Jk (well, this IS is how we do it in Europe but that's not how I meant to post it), it's fixed now.

right now I'd be find with a lynch of any of these people, especially hiraki.

[RobCapone]

Good point, definitly something I have seen scum do before

[RobCapone]

The problem I have is how can anyone be sure of anyone's status

if anything EA loses his town points (not that he had any anyway) for declaring Ice would flip scum. While I agree I thought ice would flip, it was a comment like that, which can be convincing to get people to vote/hammer him

Not to mention he got awfully defensive pre-game when I called him out

going to re-read the death scenes now.

@zito - did you think ash was scummy?

Also, list your top 2 FOS's and why

[RobCapone]

Sucks, nothing at all other than the note next to ashblade
Snake looks more like a vig kill than ash does, do Zito why do you say ash was the vig kill and not vice versa?

mod- personally I feel like we deserve more flavor with the kills, but it's just my opinion

The flavor is how it's supposed to be and not subject to change.

[RobCapone]

Zito why do you say ash was the vig kill and not vice versa?

That's an interesting question, but I think the better question is why someone would pose the question without mentioning any possibility that Snake Eyes was vigged?

That will be up to zito to answer I guess.

[RobCapone]

That will be up to zito to answer I guess.

dun dun dun?

So Now you are going to play like penpen or you going to answer questions?

I didn't assume subs was talking about me cause my "vice versa" is ipmlying if not ash than SE

you just assumed ash was the vig kill

explain why and answer the other questions or I'll have to think about changing my vote to you too

[RobCapone]

Lol how did I not even see that post by zito, the one before his dun dun dun


Anyways reading Zito's iso I do see where he sided with Snake and ash was on his list of sheepers, funny thing though almost everyone on that list is turning out to be town. Only person on zito's list that we don't know is Bill.

Interesting, Barry was on both wagons but his name was never on that list and zito doesn't seem to want to do anything with regards to Barry so again we are down to Bill and Barry as the only 2 on both wagons that we don't know their allignment

also this list is turning out to be a load of crap IMO.

I definitly GMEOY zito

[RobCapone]

This game is making me insane

Based on a theory I have

vote Bill

Bill's flip will prove my theory, since I can't get help on a Hiraki wagon, I'll see what Bill has to say.

[RobCapone]

So you're two main suspects are Bill and Hiraki?
I understand Bill i think (lurking) but hiraki? I did read the whole thread, but your case against Hiraki seemed a bit OMGUS. What, if anything has he written that is actually suspicious apart from the fact that you two seem to have a grudge match going on?
If its my bad for not reading the thread properly, just point me in the direction of a few of the main pages

iirc, I was accusing hiraki first, mainly of his absolute refusal to make a case on Bill yet asking people to post one for Subs and him defending subs when subs accused him of being scum

I can't see a town motivation behind either

His play overall fits my idea of scum.

As for Bill, I'm not divulging my theory ATM. I'll see what happens with his wagon.