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End of year deadline at work. It finally ends tomorrow and I can't wait.Juls wrote:
Somebody is grumpy.farside22 wrote:Hey all.
Lets see I see Oso and Juls already naming the people they know. Twisted spoon already buddying up to Oso.
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I have a good memory when it comes to games I enjoyed.Juls wrote:You can read me the best after not playing with me maybe once? Over a year ago? Wow, impressive. What kind of reaction would you expect.
OMG OMG OMG...farside voted me on D1 in the RV stage. *panic mode*
...and lets put this back where it belongsVote: Rhinox
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Ha! I knew I wasn't going crazy. There was the one I replaced in and this one:
https://www.mafiascum.net/archive/viewtopic.php?t=9728
pfft my memory is better then yours apparently.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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I brought it up because whether some gets replaced or leaves do to frustration I do remember you in the game and I consider it playing with someone. When you said we playedJuls wrote:I dont count that game. It was one of the first I played. I was very immature about the idea of getting targetted. I quit mafia over it for a while. That game is no indication of the player I came back as or am today. I remembered you in that one. When I say you "played" with me once that is what I meant. In the first one, I floundered. But somehow I think you know all that but I question your reasons for bringing it up.agame together I thought about the game I linked and maybe it was someone else I had in mind.
The last game we were in would be where I had a good read on you. No I don't expect you to go into fits over a vote but it was to get your attention and it's RVS.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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Rhinox post 38 I do this all the time no matter my alignment. How often do you see scum do this? What about players that are town?
Post 43 I get your reasoning on why it's scummy, I guess I just don't think about it in terms of covering my ass.
post 45
Funny enough when I do an RVS vote I don't roll a dice. I either pick a person who is a VI or someone I played with when I can't find a VI.
It's part seeing how they react to my comment and part just plain RVS with a purpose. I look at how they respond, if they respond, panic, non panic, casual, joking. It just gives me ideas that I put to the side and think about throughout the game.
Oso post 47 I don't see a contradiction. It looks a bit more jokey reading it. Ender's OMGUS reaction is a bit more odd.
juls post 48 Not a fan of following.
@twisted: Any scum reads from you? Anything standing out? Your post post 52 has people at null. I also don't see everything as RVS when 2 people are voting for serious reasons on Oso.
@Me=Weird: What do you see from EA that was scummy?
So far the person that I find scummy is TS. He didn't respond to what was going on the game. When things are going on he does a RVS instead of commenting on it.
Finally when asked about the reads it's null and nothing odd for Oso.
Next up. I don't like Jul's following of Rhinox in post 48.
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Oso: how do you have a town read on TS? What is your view on the discussion between myself and Juls?Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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Sorry it was Me=Weird that said that.Oso wrote:Um, I don't have a town read on TS.
The only two people I have mentioned in regards to possible alignment are Erratus and Ender.
As to you and Juls, since you weren't really arguing even with your vote on her, I'm going to say that it is null banter.
Question goes to Me=Weird.
@Oso: What is your read of TS so far?Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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Javert - He had 3 post (1) was confirm/chatter - RVS - then follow up with frenchMe=Weird wrote:Farside: Why single out TS? Javert, Klazam, Saurus and to a lesser extent Juls haven't really said much either.
All of which is not much to go on.
Klazam - confirm - random vote page one now v/la (IE: hasn't read the thread from what I see so how is he on the list?)
Saurus - no post. How is he on the list?
I'm not calling out lurkers. I'm talking about someone who is posting in thread and reading the game, but saying very little.
Why not ask about Prosaurus?
@Rhinox - She joked about it, that is a null tell. Willing to meet the vote head on and question it was a good sign. However there are a few things I haven't liked from her post there after. I touched on one the other I'm watching for now.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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Active lurking is worse. I found lurkers to be null when it comes to alignment. I can't say the same for active lurking.TS wrote:opinion question: which is worse, an active lurker or a lurker?
I don't know how I missed the post by Prosaur.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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TS: What is your view of Oso compared to the other game you two were in?
Juls: What did you think about Oso's response to Rhinox?
EA: what do you think about the Rhinox/Oso discussion or the Juls/me discussion? Why no comments in regards to it?
Prosaurus: How do you expect to find scum if your skimming the thread? Have you played mafia online before? Is this your first game on MS?Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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Not always. This game is on page 4. Klazam had 3 post. One was RVS. Javert hasn't said anything that I can get a read off of (he just posted something I will get to in a moment). It's more lack of anything to question or get a read off of. So far only you and TS are giving me the biggest scum vibes at this point.Juls wrote:farside - I like that you are asking questions, this is a good, proactive sign. However, I wonder, do you often mistake activity for scumminess? I ask because you seem to be targetting the most active people. Is this because they are providing you with more material to analyze or because you are getting scum vibes off them?
Jav wins for best feel of this game so far:
hmmm Javert: why are you attacking Juls for questioning your vote? Do you think a vote without comment doesn't deserve to be questioned?All of the questions in this game so far seem like attempts to squeeze blood from a turnip.
Also so far I noted you haven't said much of anything about the players in this game. Your post before now was a RVS.
Now you post you don't have a read, then just vote for ender.
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(i) I don't know your scum. I know we played a game together but I don't remember much beyond that. (ii) Some people have views on players. Rhinox pointed out something from Oso, I have my views on a few players.Jav wrote:And this tell is really only applicable (i) to players who, as scum, are not good at fabricating suspicions on people, and (ii) to situations where there is enough information in the thread that everybody is likely to have firm opinions on people. Neither of which is the case here.
When you say next to nothing in the game and say ender is scummy read his post I find nothing from you that gives me warm fuzzy feelings or reasoning then why is questioning your "read" lazy?Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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Oso: The game you were in with Javert that he had the attitude was he town or scum?
@Javert: I still don't think people asking for a case should be pulling teeth. It certainenly didn't need the attitude with it.
*mutters*
Any reason why you don't say anything to Juls who hops on to Rhinox logic?
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Javert's claim is easily provable. He already stated he would use this today.
Any doubts about this should be brought up if he "changes his mind".
@Ender: Did you notice anyone else lurking? If so why did you single out NE?Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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NE hasn't posted anywhere that I can find since the 31'st, Klazam is on V/LA and Maxous is posting around MS but not here.ender241 wrote:Necessary Evil has lurked the most. Klazam and Maxous have lurked too according to the activity overview.
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@EA: Seriously? What type of answer would you expect from that? What about ender's comments to Javert?
@ender: Don't you think reading a thread from a claimed day vig is not pressure? Why is a a wasted kill and how would you know that it is?
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@EA: Do you really think scum is going to say meh go ahead and shot me? In other words there is no reason to ask that question that doesn't look like role fishing.
huh for some reason I thought ender didn't have an issue with Javert shooting, but then I see he didn't believe the claim.
@Ender: Your voting for pressure on someone not posting, what is different with a vote and a threat that may or may not be true? It's still pressure. Your comment reads as though you know it's a bad kill.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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I didn't say you were lying either. I thought I hit preview.Erratus Apathos wrote:http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/9485/1147post145.png
I will ask the mod since it's not in the rules not to mod kill me for the infarction and if necessary you can replace me instead.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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Thanks EA. I asked the mod if anyone thought I was doing it to cheat that he should replace me. I didn't want anyone to think I did it for those reasons.
It's part being a mod too long and part my job where I can edit everything I do that some things just become a natural response. I promise to preview edit my post first.
Back to scum hunting!!!
NE:
Have you been reading the same game I have? Many people seem to be going off of thin reasoning for their votes.NE wrote:You're absolutely correct. That doesn't mean that you're not scum or that I shouldn't find your post suspicious. I still don't see any reason not to take EA's vote seriously other than timing. The tipping point was really your case on Ender on very very thin reasoning.
EA:
I see no good reason for the question. I don't see scum saying OK then shoot me. And asking that question could reveal information from the player. (yes I could see 2 normal roles that ask to be shot).EA wrote: Yeah, I do. How is it role fishing? It's not like there's any normal role that wants to be shot, so I really doubt it's role related.
Also this:
was my thinking. Call it seeing newb town player vs scum newb play.EA wrote:Similarly, I don't think Prosaurus's claim to not mind being dayvigged is likely a gambit, so I'm leaning town on him too. Not as sure as I am with Ender, but I definitely want to move my vote now.
Yeah I'm using the newb card on Pro myself.
I don't like NE's case either. Many people are going on what they can find whether small or minor. Also if he still thinks Oso is scummy why change his vote from Oso to Ender?
@NE: why change your vote? Do you think both are scum together and why?Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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But you still think Oso is scummy right? That is what I read.NE wrote:I don't try to tie people together until at least one of them is already dead. Oso is less scummy than Twistedspoon, Prosaurus, and ender right now.
Why is what ender did scummier then Oso to switch your vote to ender?
[quote="Juls]It's the way he is presenting his cases thats off to me. When he attacks someone he presents it to the town instead of attacking the person outright and asking them questions. Am I completely off my rocker or does anyone else see what I see?[/quote]
I don't see it
@Juls: It's not anti-town to agree with someone, I usually find scum using others views and buddying up in scum and I recall you doing that in our last game to another player (buddying up)
Nothing so far screams town reading you. Your case on Me=Weird doesn't make sense to me either.
I know some scum will gambit to look town. It's possible ender is scum with a gambit because he's at L-2 that he's hoping for someone to vote so as scum that he could hammer to neuter the claimed vig. But the first time doing it doesn't make sense as scum for there is no reason for the gambit.
hmmmmm,,,, I need to think on this a bit.
Maxous: You seemed like you had a theory on another player then dropped it and had a case on ender (that was already discussed) and EA. What is with the hmmm on TS then dropping it?Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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I just looked at Klazam and he is posting elsewhere around MS for the past few days. He also said he was bad with day 1. I don't know if there is any truth to this and is worth looking into.Juls wrote:
No. I would agree if he were active lurking but he is not existing at all. There is no reason to vig him unless he has a replacement that gives us a reason to think he is scummy.EA wrote:as TS seems likes he's trying to stay in the back seat while everyone else fights. I considered voting Klazam too, but there's a better way of dealing with him: Hey Javert, you said you'd vig someone for 4 days without content? Well Klazam has gone the entire game without content, so you know what to do.
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Bad grammar and interruptions galore FTW.TS wrote: why not? Or would you rather I did it?
I meant to say I don't know if there is any truth to this and it is worth looking into.
I just need to find time.
I know I said I would get to this tonight but I slept like crap last night (little one crawled into bed and kept us up for a couple of hours) and I need to really look into a few players in depth.
This game has my first priority come tomorrow.
*Note:.
This promise excludes Mod List duties and modding and is good for mafia games only.
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Going thru some research and iso's at this time. I need to get ready to leave so I'm putting my thoughts at where I am right now.
Klaz: I looked into a few of your games. I would like you to explain why you believe you have shitty day 1? The rest of Klaz is nothing to go on as it's V/LA and will post later.
ender: rereading ender in iso there isn't much to go off of. His vote on Prosaurus is meh. The situation with Javert is more interesting.
Unless ender/Javert are scum together I don't see scum saying this:
My problem is this:ender241 wrote:UNVOTE: VOTE: Javert Start answering questions, i doubt your a DayVig.
Why say he can't kill all of us if you don't believe he is a vig? That contradicts the previous statement.Just vote him already godamnit! He's trying it on, it's like saying "I'm the bomb, the last person to vote me so i am lynched will die." Which is basically warning us off voting for him so he gets away with doing what he wants and noone can stop him, he can't kill all of us.
ender claims one-shot cop. I've been in enough games that I rarely see a game without a cop and no counter claim, unless scum have a cop role which is more rare and usually in non normal games.
He also keeps egging Javert, which shows over and over he doubts the claim.
I'm not going to WIFOM the set up and base this on what is normal or I will starting feeling paranoid.
In short the claim trumps all else.
EA: Did you ever see an answer to this?
I didn't see anything from Klaz. What is your view on Klaz?What do you mean by "Mostly a random vote, if you know what I mean"? That's a weird qualifier. Why'd you tack it on to your vote?
UNVOTE: Ender
VOTE: Klazam
ummmm I don't get how an RVS vote from ender got that response from you. Have you ever seen town let their guard down when someone says something like ender did?
Honestly I don't see anyone doing any strong reads at this point, but this switch from Klaz to a newb looks like a let me switch for weak reason vote, then finding scum.Playing the newb card to defend not scumhunting is the scummiest thing I've seen this whole game.
UNVOTE: Klazam
VOTE: Prosaurus
Then after questioning Pro
Really?! I mean why do you think someone who is newb would do a gambit like that in the first place? Why does it take a few questions to determine this?Similarly, I don't think Prosaurus's claim to not mind being dayvigged is likely a gambit, so I'm leaning town on him too. Not as sure as I am with Ender, but I definitely want to move my vote now.
I feel like EA gives in to things without delving further into his suspicion. He makes one argument, someone counters he goes to the next person. Maybe it's because if something or someone gives me scum vibes or find their actions to be scummy I will fight harder.
But his vote from Klaz to Pro to NE gives me pause. Klaz never answered, many people seem to find difficultly in this game and the how newbie card comment from EA looks forced.
Leaning scum
Maxous: This is a hard one. I had a gut moment of town early on. He's not posting enough to really get a good read on him. Maxous: Can you do a break down on your views of the players in the game?
His post in regards to EA/Ender was something said by many (I don't think EA as much as ender).
I have another issue, but I want Maxous to give me his views before I go further. I hate to have a gut check turn into questionable but that is where I'm at right now.
My vote on ender is pointless.
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Why say this, then not follow up with Maxous questions to you?Rhinox wrote:
He just reads as that typical scummy looking townie in every game that is easy to attack and doesn't defend himself well. Easy for scum to go after. Low hanging fruit. My vote should tell you who I suspect for speculating.Maxous wrote:@:Rhinox: Why is Ender an "easy target"?
And who are the scum that are speculating on his role?(in your opinion)
In general, those were a couple weak questions IMO. Why did you ask them?
Instead you go back to TS as scum. What reason do you believe TS is scum?
EA: Pro said I don't mind being vigged. You asked him why he stated this comment. Not hey vig, shoot me.
There is a difference in wording.
How do you know his attitude isn't fake? IE: You think one comment is fake, but not the other????
Klaz: I don't see anything but one on why you are voting Me=Weird
I also read your other games and ususually you have more information in your post on who you believe is scum and why
examples:
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 62&start=0
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 60&start=0
This latest post from you reads lazy scum.
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Iso's continued:
Javert - first gut reaction is jerk.
This is my biggest problem with Javert
Why the pressure for a claim? Wasn't the soft claim pretty self explanatory?Javert wrote:
ender241, I hope you're getting around to explaining this.ender241 wrote:If you want to DayVig you should wait until we have pretty much confirmed scum.I'll find out what he is tonight.
Now you have the unvote, while thinking. What were you expecting with this exercise?
Juls - As I said early and reread of Juls nothing really screams town. Plus there is the buddying I talked about with Rhinox which reminded me of our last game together.
There are post that say next to nothing of value (IE: Fluff)
Talks about the way Me-Weird presents a case, which I don't get.Juls wrote:As for prosaurus playing the newb card. Without discussing his ongoing games, I will just say that it is not a surprise for him to play the newb card, nor do I find it scummy. This is Pro's first non-newbie game. While I don't plan to allow him to get by on that without scum-hunting I'm not going to assume he is auto-scum based on it. It can be intimidating playing with experienced players as a very raw new player.
Most of my feel on Juls is meta/gut. It's also lack of content. She was one of few to make a case on someone else but it was weak.
null leaning scum
me=weird - + points to MW for breaking down the EA case.
This is in regards to TS statement of Ender hinting a PR:
Two things. 1. Why are you so against ender claiming/us finding stuff out about his role? 2. You're implying you would just take him at face value, ignoring possibilities of him being scum. Why are you so convinced of his towniness?
1. Did you read the light claim from ender why or what does a full claim gain the town (2) if he's scum fake claiming/hinting then he outs the real none of this happened soooo how is he scum?
I like your points on NE especially this:
There is some back and forth between NE and MW that I need to read NE before I decide on a few things here:First, he says he thinks the votes on ender are "ridiculous", but later on(when there's a wagon) he votes ender for including possibilities of javert being town, which as I have said multiple times, even though there are more possibilities of him being town, doesn't mean he is. The one where he's scum could still be more probable.
And I see that the point is a stretch at best as the only thing NE stated was during the rVS stage here:
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I found something in MW that I believe means he is town. I'm going to hold this one close to the chest.
NE: I don't' care for his vote or reasoning for voting ender. He does explain his reasoning to EA and further reasoning.
Do you think everyone on the Javert wagon is scum? One? more? My biggest complaint would be that I don't see many suspects for various reasons from him.
He thought Oso was scum and that changed. Now he has a list of 4 all of who was on Javert's wagon, but I don't see further reasons (except ender) for suspecting them.
Now he votes for TS.
meh read = null/uncertain
NE: Is your TS vote in conclusion with the Javert wagon. What about Pro?
Oso: I read him as town. This is gut feeling more then anything before I get into his post
I read his RVS as aggressive scum hunting early on, he has good points on why he believes ender is scum and gives good points on his belief in Javert's claim.
This all reads as intuition/reading the game and analyzing the game and players.
read: town
break time.
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1. I guess. I would assume either a cop claim with that comment or scum trying to out the real cop. I don't see anything else that fits.Me=Weird wrote:Assuming these are directed at me.
1. If you mean the "I'll find out what he is tonight", then yes. I still wanted a claim because it was possible he was scum and would claim something else. 2. Can you rephrase this? I'm having trouble figuring out what you mean.farside wrote:1. Did you read the light claim from ender why or what does a full claim gain the town (2) if he's scum fake claiming/hinting then he outs the real none of this happened soooo how is he scum?
2. I'm saying (badly) that if ender was scum fake claiming/hinting then wouldn't a real cop counter claim? I mean I saw it as ender either scum trying to out a cop or town that is the cop. Hinting alone I feel would have brought this out. I don't see it as ender scum at that point.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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Pro - newb town - ugh so many things I want to say and put my IC hat on about.
First voting even anyone for any reason is good. It brings discussion and if someone hammers for no reason during the first few pages they are more likely scum.
Hence voting someone even during RVS is a good thing for info.
Pointing out a soft claim helps scum.
Seeing Javert respond to the same most makes me cringe if Javert is town as I see more scum motivation then town for pointing out the soft claim.
Also I have a question for you. Juls states you are in another game have you learned nothing on how to scum hunt or things that sound off/scummy or seen anything in this game that you see that feels or reads off?
Your 3rd point in your last point is a good start, it's more theory then anything but expand more.
Anyways reading Pro I read someone a bit lost.
Rhinox: The question you ask to TS about asking/specualing others roles. EA asked the same question as TS. Why point out TS and not EA?
Need to looks into this a bitRhinox wrote: - I think of Javert's comment about the questions in this game when reading Rhinox. He is very low under the radar, but when I see this and read TS I believe my first theory is wrong and I see more careful, planing and questioning from a town prospective
Actually, paying more attention to your iso, every post you've made from iso 11 to your current post iso 17, each and every one of those posts, the main topic of your post is speculating about someone's role.
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11. Ask why Javert claimed? I don't see this a problem with this question.
12. I pointed this out as well. I saw it as role fishing.
13. how is this role speculating?
14. is hypocritical, see iso post 12.
15. answering the question posed by ender
16. more role fishing exposer
17. and I see speculating.
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I still think EA is scummy. Klaz would be the person next on my list of scum. He's made some weak points in his read and view that do not add up to his past game behavior.
The points against TS far outweigh anything else. Role fishing, hypocrisy, more role fishing and floating by with no real case on anyone.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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I would rather MW defend the case. My theory is more feeling/theory. I don't have an issue with him responding to it.Oso wrote:
I'd say go ahead with it but then I'd really like to hear what M=E has to say about it before anyone attacks/endorses/counters my last post.farside22 wrote:@Oso: I had a bit different theory then you did with those comment from MW.
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But if you feel the need to, go ahead.
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When Javert first claimed I had assumed he would have used it by now. By the way he was swinging his claim around like a club I thought that he was going to use it soon. I guess it might just have been a ruse to stop lurkers lurking. Anyways, Javert, will you be vig'ing today still? If so, who are your scumreads?
Why? It doesn't matter when he uses it today as long as it's today. And if it was a gambit to get a lurkers attention it didn't work very well on Klaz.
TS: In one post who do you find to be scum and why?
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Why?I think it would be epically stupid for a cop to cc ender on D1.
Normal game means doctor is a good possibility and we lynch confirmed scum. mmmm normal also means a good possibility of scum RB too......for me I would rather lynch confirmed scum day 1.
Well we agree on one. Max latest response on not knowing who to vote is odd. I don't see who there could be a problem. If you have suspicion then that is good enough to vote.My scum-reads right now are TS and Max. I have some hate going on for ender right now though with that "accident" comment. And something isn't right for me with M=W still. But I would rather pursue something more tangible.
I see his date of starting on MS.
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Sorry I forgot to quote the first paragraph there.
Why? It doesn't matter when he uses it today as long as it's today. And if it was a gambit to get a lurkers attention it didn't work very well on Klaz.TS wrote:When Javert first claimed I had assumed he would have used it by now. By the way he was swinging his claim around like a club I thought that he was going to use it soon. I guess it might just have been a ruse to stop lurkers lurking. Anyways, Javert, will you be vig'ing today still? If so, who are your scumreads?
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Reasons????Klazam wrote:Javert: Fair enough.
Let me be on record saying that i believe all three claims (D-Vig, and cops) that has been made today.
Also:unvote vote ProsaurusI no longer feel sure that M=W is scum. PS is the next most scummiest in my eyes.
I don't ever agree with outting a PR. If I see something in thread I'm not going to point it out as I feel that information helps the scum team more then town.FoS: farside22. Experience cuts against you here. I find it hard to believe you are really propounding the whole “it is antitown to point out an obvious breadcrumb and force a clarification.”
I've hid information on PR's many times seeing as scum most of the time miss underling hints or worry about a doctor in the game.
But each claim, if there is a doctor, helps narrow down the field for the scum.
EA: How is ender's play any better then TS? Would you put them under the same category with lack of context?
Honestly I can't see 2 one shot cops. I've never heard of it. Juls broken down the possibilities, but I wonder do you (Juls) have a view on any one of those possibilities between the two players?Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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EA: Why are you ignoring Klaz who is pretty much doing next to nothing when it comes his reasoning? I see you mentioned this with Pro.
I see Pro at least going thru what everyone is saying and replying the the case against him.
Klaz on the other hand I feel. His reason's for voting for Pro was for role fishing but he doesn't say anything about TS who was doing the same thing. I have to wonder when people leave out those who when you look at their post and doesn't comment on them.
Also when he looks into TS he states the following:
I really don't get this at all.Klazam wrote:I'm ambivalent on TS. Null for now.
vote Me=Weird
Vote: Klazam
@Oso: I can ask you the same. How did you get null read from TS, what changed your mind on him when you were willing to put him at L-1?Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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Oso: The last time you mentioned TS you stated you had a null read here
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Okay those not voting need to get their votes and reasoning out there. There is only 9 days till deadline. I also agree that if Javert has a shot he should take it soon. There should be a lynch and I believe a vig kill can also give information. Look at those who voted and why. See who stayed off wagon's. If Javert shot's mafia look at interactions between players.
I can't believe people are bypassing Klaz.
@Me=Weird: What do you think Pro hasn't answered to that still makes him scummy?
I'm a bit fuzzy on everything do to this cold I got.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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I think if he shots any later then 7 days into deadline it would be scummy in my view. The lag in this game in very noticeable, plus look at the votes. It's really bad that there is no defining BW taking place at this time.Juls wrote:Mod: Please prod ender
Also, I was thinking we give Javert a town-imposed deadline of midnight Wednesday (tomorrow) April 13 to give town 1 week to decide a lynch. If he hasn't decided by Wednesday, then he is probably fake-claiming and he can be our lynch. Does that sound good?Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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No. Not in a normal game at least. I only once seen a day vig be scum and I created the role in a theme game with the stipulation that the mafia could not kill that night. It was an unlimited day vig scum.@Farside: Do you think it is possible Javert has a day vig power and be scum?
1) Klazender241 wrote:Alright, sorry everyone for being away.
Top 3 scum from everyone.
2) TS
3) EA
EA is actually moving down further towards null where as maxous has gone close from questionable to scummy. That's more gut and things that make me scratch my head a bit.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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It hurts the town if a vig shoots late in the day to do a lynch and I just can't see a town reason for vigging someone late in the game. Usually late game lynching = rushing to lynch a player and that doesn't give information all the time. Or sometimes there will be a no lynch.Maxous wrote:
Okay.farside22 wrote:
No. Not in a normal game at least. I only once seen a day vig be scum and I created the role in a theme game with the stipulation that the mafia could not kill that night. It was an unlimited day vig scum.@Farside: Do you think it is possible Javert has a day vig power and be scum?
Now why in the world would Javert be 'scummy' in your view if he shot less than 7 days before the deadline?
I don't agree with no lynches. You always wonder if the person you were pushing was scum, your back on day 2 with the same theory and not always a lot of information.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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But you said in the quote that you believed TS's claim. If you believe the claim then why is he part of your top 3?Oso wrote:@ Erratus
Why is it a lie? Or even bad play?
D1, two claimed, 1-shot PRs. Being willing to believe the claims for the remainder of the day, hoping both are true, while still being highly suspicious of the players making the claims.
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This was my thinking with Klazam and TS. I completely missed Oso comment. It's not as interesting as this part below the rolefishing:Me=Weird wrote:Maxous, can you please consolidate why you think I'm scum into one post. Thanks.
I can see Oso as an alternate lynch, seeing as how EA made a good point about believing the claims and still suspecting them.
Also, 244 by klazam, he accuses me and PS of role-fishing for mentioning the "I'll find out tonight", but, completely ignores 179, by oso, which was pointing out ender's softclaim, which could also be role-fishing. This could definitely be scum together, with klazam not wanting to spread suspicion on his partner.
Man I need to reread this guy again. Has he always been giving himself multiple scenarios without giving his own opinion?For my part, I'm still processing that one. Could be awkward wording or an incomplete thought or a soft-claim. I haven't decided which one for myself yet.
Its the let me be as vague as possible so I can slide in later and call it scummy since i never had a set opinion feel to it. This one and the one that EA quoted.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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Pro: My view on this is that scum tend to not give a full opinion and leave their options open.
The I believe them for now but putting them on his scum list is letting him go either way without suspicion. It also doesn't make sense.
I had a strong town read on Oso. EA's moved up from scummy/null to null/town. He's pushing things and scum hunting. I'm not sure why Rhinox is questioning EA's push on those he finds scummy.
Nothing so far has changed my view on Klaz. NE is on V/LA till Sunday but he needs to post more once he gets back. Juls is right he is the least active in the game and his biggest, most indepth comments was when he was fighting EA on his read of ender.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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I certain did not. I even posted a few links to completed games where he was town. Compare that to this game and it's not very similiar. He writes more in depth those games in regards to scum suspects and even post more. This time very low under the radar and not saying much about anyone.Prosaurus wrote:PEOPLE!
Willing =/= believe! Geez!
Anyway, has no one noticed that Klaz clearly has plenty of experience? How can he be newb?
Rhinox: I could say the same about your play reading you prior. It's like your here but not really pushing anything. How do you think lynching someone you have no read on helps?Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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Bah!
Juls it wasn't a lurker hunt for me. It was his lack of reads and scum hunting. Plus I didn't like that when he posted those that were rolefishing he ignored TS.
God I feel like I need to burn my notes and start from fresh again.
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I'm reevaluating the main 3 that people are talking about.
Oso - I would not lynch Oso. Although I found EA's point interesting it does not outway the scum hunting, questioning and POV's that oso has displayed today. He's evulated many people in the game and brought up cases that ring town to me.
NE: I don't care much for NE's reason's for finding MW scummy. Their weak tells (on is a stregth at best). He has found TS scummy most of the game and he defended his reasoning for his vote on ender well. However I see no strong scum reads coming from him.
MW - I have many issues with MW recently. He has called Oso town most of the day but when EA brings up a point he states the follow:
He also barely mentions Klaz all day but has no problem jumping on the BW here:Me=Weird wrote:Maxous, can you please consolidate why you think I'm scum into one post. Thanks.
I can see Oso as an alternate lynch, seeing as how EA made a good point about believing the claims and still suspecting them.
Also he made a case on NE here but NE never stated it was rediculous and when he had stated something about Ender it was during the RVS discussion.Me=Weird wrote:Hm. I don't entirely approve of the ender kill.
Post #244: Klazam attacked me and prosaurus for "role-fishing". Scum often look for townies doing common "scumtells" that are so widely known, scum don't actually do anymore. And thus useless as scum-tells.
This, combined with not providing much reasoning for his votes, lots of short, content sparse posts and scum vibes, makes me think he's scum. He seems like the most likely of my scumspects to get lynched, and I don't like wasting my vote, so
Unvote, Vote: Klazam
Finally he is attack on Pro looks scummy as I feel Pro is newb asking question and trying to figure things out but he spins it more into something scummy.
vote: Me=Weird
In short I find MW and NE scummy for different reasons. I find MW's post more scummy as I see him pushing on easy lynches and following BW without much reason.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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Never seen one in a normal game, only in theme.Juls wrote:
Have you ever seen a scum day vig? Has anyone? I would love to see the game if you have. I could see a scum day-vig in themed but not normal.Rhinox wrote: But if both cops and the mason claims are all town, then Javert is looking an awful lot like a scum 1 shot vig to counter all the confirmed innos.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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This is based on the 3 main suspects for today. Your post, reaction and comments on ender rang truthful. I find your lack of push on anyone not already mentioned disturbing and would like a full view on everyone in the game from you.NE wrote:I don't expect everybody to understand why I suspect MW. It's based mainly on the way he questioned Maxous. It's something I've done as scum before and I can see MW doing it in the situation he is in. It surprises me that you express this reservation and are still comfortable enough with the MW wagon to vote him in the same post.
MW however has done is follow BW's at least twice I have seen. He never mentions Klaz or Oso (expect to call Oso town) but has no issue voting him. That doesn't match up under any circumstance.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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MW: The only time you mention klaz was to ask me about my read and to answer questions. Then the post before you vote for him you said you would read him then voted him the next post.
Before EA you called Oso town that was not at the very beginning.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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Hmm I thought I saw it later in the game, but it looks like the last time you had a town read prior to below was a week ago.
However this post below reads as wishy washy. The I'm seeing it, but not voting. IE: I see this as telling as your signaling a willingness to vote but don't. And you never made a case on your own in regards to Oso
Me=Weird wrote:Maxous, can you please consolidate why you think I'm scum into one post. Thanks.
I can see Oso as an alternate lynch, seeing as how EA made a good point about believing the claims and still suspecting them.
Also, 244 by klazam, he accuses me and PS of role-fishing for mentioning the "I'll find out tonight", but, completely ignores 179, by oso, which was pointing out ender's softclaim, which could also be role-fishing. This could definitely be scum together, with klazam not wanting to spread suspicion on his partner.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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Oh this looks like a slip. Also I don't care that he posted after with a possible framer crap.Twistedspoon wrote:
I'd think you be more graetful after my investigation. after much deliberation i decided upon NEQuilford wrote:if Twisted's bussing we still get scum.
VOTE: Necessary Evil
but anyways, I don't care, I just want to lynch scum and I think we have one here
I know I had a guilty on someone as a cop once and came out guns blazing ready to lynch the person. There wasn't a doubt in my mind.
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Then why even say "I think" in that post I quoted? I think your second post reads as covering.Twistedspoon wrote:
well you should carefarside22 wrote:Also I don't care that he posted after with a possible framer crap.
my point was that i got guilty thus NE is scum
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Quilford said it best but to add for someone to claim they got a guilty on another player that he was suspicious of at the end of the day I had little doubt to his claim at the start of day 2.Max wrote:@Farside and Rhinox: Why did the two of you instantly beleive the result from Twistedspoon? As far as I remember he was on both of your suspect lists.
However seeing TS flounder now and saying "I think" he is scum then using oh he might have been framed or I might be insane, blah, blah, blah I say he slipped and is fake claiming results at this point.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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They've both looked like town to me so far, but farside is a little scummy because she jumped on the MW wagon while attacking my vote on him in the same post.
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I attacked your lack of scum hunting not your vote.
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Really why do you believe it?Apart from those 2, I'm not really buying Farside switching her vote because of the semantics of 'I think' and considering the possibiltiy of a framer.
Also my suspicion of TS yesterday and his post (which I believe is a scum slip) = not buying it doesn't make sense to you.
Awesome stuff.
I'm calling Maxous/TS scum at this point.
At Maxous and anyone else in the game. Have you ever seen a person claim cop and question it?
I only know one game I can think of but the cop in question was not a one shot cop that TS is claiming. A one shot cop that questions their sanity in a normal game? Really why? This is not a bastard theme game.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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@Maxous see the boldTwistedspoon wrote:
so unless you can prove that the mafioso have a frameror I am an insane cop without knowing sothen you're mafioso
imo, I think all cops are sane unless the mechanics usually have a theme of such, like dethy
Yes, yes it does. You want to link someone who questioned a cop result in a normal game I'm willing to budge on this, not in a normal game with the post from TS who comes back and post immediately looks to me like he's covering a slip.And that is all it takes for you to change your mind about voting NE? It's suspect. You changed your stance too easily over little
You remember what Rhinox said day 1 about Oso, who posted a comment in the game to cover his bases. Same applies here.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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